Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
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Speaker 1: brought us, David Hellman, Bucky Brooks and Kyle Yeomans. There
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Speaker 1: the intro was Brian brought us up at the beginning
Speaker 1: as always, talking about oh they took him one of
Speaker 1: my favorite clips ever. Brian, thank you for giving that
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Speaker 1: varsity jacket, David Helmont with us as always, and then
Speaker 1: we've got Bucky Brooks in the house coming from CALLI
Speaker 1: on the West Coast streaming in live. That's the kind
Speaker 1: of insight you get here on the Draft Show is
Speaker 1: the fact that you've got over fifty years combined between
Speaker 1: these three covering the NFL Draft, and no matter where
Speaker 1: they are in the world, there's still a part of
Speaker 1: the Draft Show. But boys, how we doing this week?
Speaker 1: There's been a lot that's changed since the last time
Speaker 1: we talked, Brian. I think the Cowboys went from what
Speaker 1: could have been the fourth overall pick, they're now sitting
Speaker 1: at eleven and a chance to still win the division.
Speaker 1: They're three and one since the Draft Show started, and
Speaker 1: I think that has to credit what Derek Ingleton did
Speaker 1: and starting the Draft Show back up. Well, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And you know that was one of those things when
Speaker 1: you you know, you look at the order of the
Speaker 1: draft at one time, you're you're sitting in the forehole
Speaker 1: and you're looking at this board in a completely different light.
Speaker 1: And then you put some wins together and you have
Speaker 1: a chance to win the division and now you're sitting
Speaker 1: in somewhere near the middle of the board. And then
Speaker 1: if you win and get in, you're now moving down further. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: the right the dynamics of how the scouts even look
Speaker 1: at it. You know, they're thinking, Okay, we're evaluating these players,
Speaker 1: and now we're evaluating these players, and now we're evaluating
Speaker 1: these players. So yeah, it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 1: journey throughout. But you know, good for the Cowboys, good
Speaker 1: for the fans, the opportunity to play in the playoffs. Said,
Speaker 1: wherever they land in the draft order, you know, we'll
Speaker 1: be there to talk about it to every step of
Speaker 1: the way. What do you think about this, Bucky, Because
Speaker 1: I mean even from the last time we talk, the
Speaker 1: Jets have won two straight games and the Jaguars have
Speaker 1: locked up that top overall picks. Things continuously change in
Speaker 1: the NFL, as I know we all have been aware of,
Speaker 1: but I mean even more so over the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. Yeah, I think what you see is the
Speaker 1: competitiveness of the league. And despite what we on the
Speaker 1: outside talk about when it comes to draft picks and positioning,
Speaker 1: players and coaches are trying to win each and every week.
Speaker 1: And we've seen that play out, and I think the
Speaker 1: excitement that is building in Dallas, obviously it's about a
Speaker 1: team that appears to be playing against best football going
Speaker 1: down the stretch. And it's really a bit of a
Speaker 1: blessing in the skies because now the draft positioning, we're
Speaker 1: probably better aligned with what the needs are. And I
Speaker 1: don't think you will have some of those tough conversations
Speaker 1: that were existing before when the Cowboys were positioned in
Speaker 1: the top five and we were talking about quarterbacks and
Speaker 1: all that other stuff. Dave you agree with that, I'm
Speaker 1: choosing to believe now I'm choosing to believe. Kyle. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this is our doing. Like you said, we
Speaker 1: are responsible for this. You know, the players and coaches
Speaker 1: on the team looked at our site and they're like,
Speaker 1: holy crap, they're already talking about the draft. We gotta
Speaker 1: do something about this and lo and behold. Yeah, honestly,
Speaker 1: it sounds counter intuitive because obviously, if you care about
Speaker 1: the draft, you want the best pick possible, and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe being in the top five could have presented
Speaker 1: you in a situation where you can trade down. But
Speaker 1: I feel way, I know people are gonna say I'm
Speaker 1: blowing smoke, but like, I feel way less stressed out
Speaker 1: about picking between ten and sixteen than I do. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm serious. Brian who are you Who are you gonna
Speaker 1: pick with that top five pick? Who are you gonna take?
Speaker 1: Oh we'll find is somebody to pick. Yeah, well we'll
Speaker 1: find you know what, your quarterback situation hasn't resolved by
Speaker 1: any means. Stop stop it, stop it. Oh no, you're
Speaker 1: quite it's not it's not. And you know, and I
Speaker 1: don't know people, and you know you've you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: Bucky's right, This thing is now more line. You could
Speaker 1: have taken one of those offensive linemen up there, but
Speaker 1: you know that the quarterback was in play. You know
Speaker 1: that that the tight end who was a freak athlete
Speaker 1: was in play. I mean, there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: to a lot of directions should go. I look at
Speaker 1: it is this way though. I'm happy they're winning. I'm
Speaker 1: happy they're having an opportunity for the division title. But
Speaker 1: I'm also thinking about what could I have done picking
Speaker 1: at the top of every single round and maybe moving
Speaker 1: some things around in order to help my team. That's
Speaker 1: the selfish scouted me, thinking about am I closer to
Speaker 1: the Packers and the Saints and those people, or do
Speaker 1: I need to get help to try and do that?
Speaker 1: And picking high in every one of those spots at
Speaker 1: least affords me that opportunity. I believe, Hey, and those things,
Speaker 1: those things are not mutually exclusive. Like you can want
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to win and still be disappointed. You're absolutely right, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not that disappointed using a top ten pick. I'm
Speaker 1: very disappointed about not having pick thirty five, thirty six,
Speaker 1: or pick sixty five, like those picks at the top
Speaker 1: of the second, third, and fourth round. That's what gets
Speaker 1: me excited. And you know, it's it's exciting what the
Speaker 1: team is doing, but it's it's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a bummer to know that, you know, those picks are
Speaker 1: probably going to be more like six. Just just real quick, guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw last week the Cowboys play the Eagles,
Speaker 1: and it looks like the Eagles have the same problems
Speaker 1: that you have. You know that you look at their
Speaker 1: defense and the secondary and now you're thinking, well, Philadelphia
Speaker 1: is gonna be picking against ahead of us all day,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's and that's you know, when you
Speaker 1: start you start thinking about Okay, and you could say
Speaker 1: it about I guess all the teams, but especially a
Speaker 1: team within your division. You see bad secondary play there,
Speaker 1: what's the one thing the Cowboys are clearly going to
Speaker 1: have to address their secondary Philadelphia could be just picking
Speaker 1: one player off every time, you know, on defense, and
Speaker 1: you know that's that's that That to me is what stressful, Dave,
Speaker 1: when I have to walk that mind field of my
Speaker 1: division opponents picking ahead of me, knowing that they've got
Speaker 1: just as many issues on defense as I do. The
Speaker 1: thing is, then, brand what you gotta do is you
Speaker 1: gotta scout the scouts and how confident are you that
Speaker 1: they can pick the right guys? And so it's looking
Speaker 1: at them and saying, Okay, they have a need like
Speaker 1: we have a need, but their track records suggested they
Speaker 1: can't pick the right guy. We're not going to be
Speaker 1: picking from maybe the same lot. And so I think
Speaker 1: it's a situation where you probably feel better about the
Speaker 1: team winning because I think it was probably more important
Speaker 1: from a cultural standpoint that Mike McCarthy could fix the issues,
Speaker 1: because if you lose the belief of the players in
Speaker 1: the locker room, I don't really know what twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one would it look like if this team fell apart
Speaker 1: going down the stretch. And I think you look at
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia with their loss, they fall to sixth, and
Speaker 1: they jump to six rather in the draft, so they're
Speaker 1: gonna be picking above you, like Brian said, throughout the
Speaker 1: rest of the draft. But outside of maybe those early
Speaker 1: later round picks like the thirty five thirty six slide,
Speaker 1: and then maybe then then the third round, fourth round,
Speaker 1: so on. Outside of the disappointment of not picking that
Speaker 1: high in each round, it's also the options that you
Speaker 1: have early on already have ten picks, You could have
Speaker 1: had thirteen or fourteen if you wanted to trade out
Speaker 1: of the top five to try and land back to
Speaker 1: where you're ultimately going to be right here at this moment.
Speaker 1: But I kind of want to weld what both Brian
Speaker 1: and Dave were talking about a moment ago and what
Speaker 1: Bucky said in his opening statement. But with all the
Speaker 1: uncertainty right now of what Dallas where they could be picking,
Speaker 1: I mean, they could lose this week and they're still
Speaker 1: going to be in the top ten, or you could
Speaker 1: win this week and not win the division. You're right
Speaker 1: in the middle of the teens. And then if you
Speaker 1: win the division, of course you're nineteen are up in
Speaker 1: terms of the draft position, But what positions are out
Speaker 1: there that you feel most comfortable about Bucky In terms
Speaker 1: of drafting in the first round, do you think there
Speaker 1: is a position that's out there that you feel more
Speaker 1: comfortable picking than others. I think offensive tackles, I feel
Speaker 1: really comfortable picking them. Where the Cowboys could be positioned
Speaker 1: anywhere from eleven to nineteen or so. I think cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: Depending on what style corner you're looking for, I think
Speaker 1: you probably could feel good about maybe making a run there.
Speaker 1: I am really iffy on the pass rushers this year.
Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of names that would
Speaker 1: be thrown out there, like Greg Russo from Miami or whatever.
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I don't feel that as comfortable
Speaker 1: with those guys. But I do feel really good about
Speaker 1: offensive tackles, cornerbacks, and I would even throw tight ends,
Speaker 1: even though I think everyone in Dallas would lose their
Speaker 1: mind if they took another offensive player, particularly a pass
Speaker 1: catching But I mean there's something to building strength on strength. Brian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel I agree with Bucky. You know, the more
Speaker 1: that I've dived into what's going on, you know, And
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with I watched a kid last night
Speaker 1: from Wake Forest, this Carlos Basham the defensive end, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, Okay, why is he a guy at
Speaker 1: the bottom, near the bottom of the board when we're
Speaker 1: talking about potential first round guys. Hey six four, two
Speaker 1: hundred seventy four, two hundred and seventy five pounds, And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, why isn't he not up there? Because
Speaker 1: Bucky's right, These defensive ends, man, there's so many questions
Speaker 1: about and there's so many different body types and there's
Speaker 1: so many levels of production. But you know, to me,
Speaker 1: it looks very strong with the with these offensive tackles.
Speaker 1: I think this quarterback group, we've kind of talked about
Speaker 1: him and what we think about them. I'm interested in
Speaker 1: these corners as well. You know, Bucky's right, depending on
Speaker 1: what kind of guy, uh that you wanted at cornerback,
Speaker 1: you know, you could you know. I was watching the
Speaker 1: Kid from from Georgia the other day, and you know,
Speaker 1: and I was just I was just kind of sitting
Speaker 1: there in my and my mind thinking like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know this Tyson Campbell, and I'm thinking, Okay, he
Speaker 1: looks good as a press corner. He's physical, Okay, can
Speaker 1: he play in this style? The Cowboys going to switch
Speaker 1: their their their their their scheme. You know, everybody's got
Speaker 1: a little bit different fit. But man, you've got all
Speaker 1: those former NFL players, sons that are playing these positions
Speaker 1: at corner and the secondary and stuff. Sorting those guys out.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a group, and I think you're
Speaker 1: going to be able to choose the type of guy
Speaker 1: that you want that best fits your scheme. So I
Speaker 1: do love what I see at the cornerback spot. I
Speaker 1: don't like what I'm seeing at defensive end. And I
Speaker 1: hadn't yet seen a defensive tackle that I really love
Speaker 1: with to be honest with you, hey, Brian, real quick,
Speaker 1: just in case you aren't aware, Carlos Basham is the
Speaker 1: cousin of your buddy Terrell Basham, who you love so much.
Speaker 1: Here you go go, there you go. And he looks
Speaker 1: the part. He physically when he plays that single digit
Speaker 1: that nine was eighteen last year, but he looks the part.
Speaker 1: And but man, it's always sorting out these defensive ends.
Speaker 1: And maybe with the Cowboys, maybe with the emergence of
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, maybe you know, pair him with Lawrence. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's something that's not so much oppressing you. We haven't
Speaker 1: seen Bradley and I yet, maybe he comes in and
Speaker 1: plays well, but I feel better about what I'm seeing
Speaker 1: with these cornerbacks going forward here. If you're a Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys fan and that's the direction you want to go,
Speaker 1: that's you took the words right out of my mouth, Brian,
Speaker 1: because that's that's what I was trying to say. I like,
Speaker 1: I get it you want to have a higher pick,
Speaker 1: but I feel personally, let's say the Cowboys picked between
Speaker 1: ten and nineteen, I feel so much better about drafting
Speaker 1: Patrick Certan, Caleb Farley, j C. Horne, who you mentioned
Speaker 1: is the son of Joe Horn. And then I would
Speaker 1: maybe even I haven't watched him full disclosure, but just
Speaker 1: knowing that Ohio State is DBU, I would throw Sean
Speaker 1: Wade in there as well as maybe a guy who
Speaker 1: you feel decent about in that range. Just knowing the
Speaker 1: caliber of cornerback that they are that they typically put out,
Speaker 1: I feel way better about drafting any of those guys
Speaker 1: in that range than if they had been at five
Speaker 1: or six or something like that. And then I would
Speaker 1: just throw in Brian, I know you luck, I know
Speaker 1: you love Kyle Pitts. I went and I went back
Speaker 1: and looked at this. I mean, he seems to be special.
Speaker 1: I'm not guaranteeing that he's gonna be there, But if
Speaker 1: you are a Kyle Pitts fan, I don't think picking
Speaker 1: at eleven or twelve rules that possibility out. Only four
Speaker 1: tight ends have been taken in the top ten in
Speaker 1: the last twenty years. UM T. J. Hockinson a few
Speaker 1: years ago, UM, Eric Ebron, thank you, Bucky Vernon Davis,
Speaker 1: and uh and it's a North Carolina guy. That's why
Speaker 1: I remember that. There you go, There you go. And UM,
Speaker 1: I believe the fourth one was Kellen Winslow all the
Speaker 1: way back in like two thousand and four. So it
Speaker 1: doesn't happen that often. So it's it's at least plausible
Speaker 1: to think Kyle Pitts could be there for you at
Speaker 1: like the eleventh, twelfth, or thirteenth pick. So I don't
Speaker 1: think it changes the topic of conversation all that much.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, if you want to hear
Speaker 1: me scream like when Ceedee Lamb got picked, I will
Speaker 1: give you an absolute another sound bite for your show
Speaker 1: next year. If Kyle Pitts is the guy that's taken,
Speaker 1: they took him. Yeah, to your to your point, though,
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's maybe a couple it. Maybe
Speaker 1: I think that that Farley will be gone. But you're
Speaker 1: right certain those these Kendrick, I mean, those guys are
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of in that group of that
Speaker 1: where you're talking about eleven, twelve, thirteen. That's if you
Speaker 1: hold that that spot, you can very well be picking
Speaker 1: nineteen now and we're looking at a whole different group
Speaker 1: of players there. I will say Kyle Pitts will play
Speaker 1: his final collegiate football game at AT and T Stadium
Speaker 1: in Arlington coming up tomorrow. So just so you know,
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is going to get an early tour of
Speaker 1: the place because Florida is playing Oklahoma in the Cotton Ball.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's opted out yet or not.
Speaker 1: I haven't actually looked at that. But also I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I think I think might out. That's annoying.
Speaker 1: Take that point away. Then all these guys are opting out,
Speaker 1: which I don't. It's funny. So now here's the thing, Uh, Dave,
Speaker 1: your guy Boogie Bashan is minute to go to the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, so we might get a chance to see
Speaker 1: him in the postseason, and we talk about the cluster
Speaker 1: that we could have with all the pass rushes, whatever,
Speaker 1: it might be a chance for him to kind of
Speaker 1: separate himself from the others. Six five, two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five pounds. And I agree with what Brian was
Speaker 1: talking about in terms of looking the party. My goodness,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a frill. He's a total freak. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He he looks the part in that uniform, an old
Speaker 1: krusty scout guy here when he sees somebody look and
Speaker 1: when he's down into stance and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I see what's going on here. But yeah, that you know,
Speaker 1: that's I'm looking for those guys as you continue to
Speaker 1: fall down this draft board, and again, good for them,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be players. It's a it's a totally different look.
Speaker 1: You know, you got to evaluate all these guys. But
Speaker 1: now you start to say, at nineteen, where's the possibilities,
Speaker 1: what direction, what corners, what linebackers? You know, this team
Speaker 1: needs help, they need defensive help. But you know, again,
Speaker 1: that's that's my focus right now, is to find which
Speaker 1: one of these guys is the best fit for this
Speaker 1: football team. Well, and that's another great point, because there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of people listening to this and
Speaker 1: listening to our show throughout the offseason and rolling their
Speaker 1: eyes at the possibility of drafting an offensive player in
Speaker 1: the first round. But this was a question that I know, Bucky,
Speaker 1: or excuse me, Brian, you actually brought this up in
Speaker 1: our group message. But I want to know from an
Speaker 1: old krusty scout like yourself, like you said that your words,
Speaker 1: not mine, just want to throw that out there, but
Speaker 1: from someone from somebody who's been in a room like that.
Speaker 1: Is there such thing as a momentum draft? I mean,
Speaker 1: last year we saw that the wide receivers were the
Speaker 1: position to be had, and the Cowboys had the best
Speaker 1: one fall to them, arguably the best one fall to them,
Speaker 1: and ceede Lamb at seventeen. You ultimately ended up with
Speaker 1: a really nice draft that found defensive starters later on.
Speaker 1: But is that the same kind of mindset? Is there
Speaker 1: such thing as momentum whenever it comes to a war
Speaker 1: room and it comes to draft picks, even if they
Speaker 1: might not be your number one need at the time. Oh,
Speaker 1: I absolutely believe in momentum and a draft. I feel
Speaker 1: like that there's times where teams have reached for players
Speaker 1: or they went out a sequence of how they really
Speaker 1: saw a player and maybe their gut feeling on the board.
Speaker 1: As they put a player up there there was a
Speaker 1: split vote in the room. Somebody had to make a decision.
Speaker 1: That's our guy. Half the scouts are hating it, half
Speaker 1: the scouts are loving it. You know, you want a
Speaker 1: consensus the best you can, and I do. I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had great momentum in their draft last year.
Speaker 1: I mean, and they'll tell you about Diggs. They had
Speaker 1: a first you know, they had grades on Digs where
Speaker 1: if they got wiped out at seventeen, they could have
Speaker 1: taken him there. So all of a sudden, you have
Speaker 1: ceedee lamp. Okay, everybody's jacked about the pick. Now you
Speaker 1: make the next pick. It's Digs. Wow, we just got
Speaker 1: a player, you know that we had a really high
Speaker 1: grade on. So I think that you could you could
Speaker 1: get a little rhythm in a draft and it starts
Speaker 1: coming to you and that the board appears a little
Speaker 1: bit clearer to you. So I absolutely believe in that,
Speaker 1: and I think that sometimes you could take a player
Speaker 1: and it throws off that rhythm of how you're picking
Speaker 1: and you're reaching, and did we do the right thing?
Speaker 1: Is there questions? I think the Cowboys were in a
Speaker 1: great rhythm last year when they were drafting their board.
Speaker 1: You know, Brian to pick it back on that point.
Speaker 1: I believe that's why you have to vet everything out.
Speaker 1: And we talk about the BA board. We have the
Speaker 1: horizontal board where guys are broken down by position, but
Speaker 1: then also the vertical board, and whether you have one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five or one hundred and fifty prospects
Speaker 1: on that board, if you stay true to it and
Speaker 1: the grades are like consistent, I think what you do
Speaker 1: is you just pick it off as it comes. And
Speaker 1: so if you talk about Digs having a first round
Speaker 1: grade because maybe he was there eighteenth best prospect on
Speaker 1: the board, that is what you should do. You shouldn't
Speaker 1: go out of turn trying to pick a guy. And
Speaker 1: that's where you have to be really really mindful of need,
Speaker 1: because sometimes in reaching for that need, you end up
Speaker 1: taking a bad player and two three years later we're
Speaker 1: having to go back and fish in the same pond
Speaker 1: because we really didn't get it that was worthy of
Speaker 1: being selected at this spot. See I will say that
Speaker 1: isn't that bucky. I think that's exactly why I don't
Speaker 1: believe that momentum exists, with all due respect to Brian,
Speaker 1: because this all it resets every time you pick, Like
Speaker 1: every time you pick, you've got to wait for the
Speaker 1: other thirty one teams to pick, and then it all resets.
Speaker 1: Like case in point twenty sixteen, everybody's high five and
Speaker 1: about Zeke Elliott, it like everybody's excited. I don't think
Speaker 1: there would anybody that was like two upset about passing
Speaker 1: on EmSee you get to the next round and you
Speaker 1: get wiped out. They lost Kevin Dodd and Emmanuel Ogba,
Speaker 1: like back to back, right in front of them, and
Speaker 1: they kind of had to scramble. And I think the
Speaker 1: Jalen pick worked out better than a lot of people thought,
Speaker 1: but it still probably wasn't what they wanted to do.
Speaker 1: And then the next year you got a lot of
Speaker 1: people that don't love Taco Charlton that picks not beloved
Speaker 1: across the board. But then the next day comes and
Speaker 1: you have two really solid defensive backs fall to you.
Speaker 1: I Jordan Lewis felt like a steel at the time.
Speaker 1: Again not talking about the way their careers panned out,
Speaker 1: but the way the pick was received at the time
Speaker 1: and the thought process, you came out of Friday of
Speaker 1: that draft feeling really good about restocking your secondary, even
Speaker 1: though a lot of people weren't in love with the
Speaker 1: first round pick. So I just think, I think all
Speaker 1: of these picks are unique unto themselves because of all
Speaker 1: the circumstances. Well, you just mentioned you just mentioned the
Speaker 1: players that are probably not going to be here, but
Speaker 1: did you have them for two or three years. I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about the rhythm of the draft in the
Speaker 1: way because like Bucky's right, there's sometimes teams will reach
Speaker 1: on players and it throws them off and they're all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like, you know, I remember this
Speaker 1: in a in a draft with Bill Parcels when we
Speaker 1: took to Marcus ware and like Parcels wanted Sean Merriman
Speaker 1: and you know, and and we were adamant about where
Speaker 1: where or where, and all of a sudden, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, we take, we take, we take where Parcels
Speaker 1: is picked. But the momentum carried us to like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's focus on Marcus Spears, Let's focus on the next guy.
Speaker 1: And we were we were working our way that but
Speaker 1: it was it was, it was it was having that
Speaker 1: plan and executing the plan and the momentum going forward
Speaker 1: where you know, Parcels was pissed and we didn't care.
Speaker 1: You know, we were focused on we were focused on
Speaker 1: our guy. And then all of a sudden we drew
Speaker 1: Parcels back into the draft because oh wait, Spears is there,
Speaker 1: and he's like, Jerry goes Brian, tell me who's going
Speaker 1: to take defensive ends in front of us? I said, Cincinnati, Minnesota.
Speaker 1: You know, those teams took two defensive ends, but they
Speaker 1: didn't take Spears. And then then the next I mean,
Speaker 1: it just was I believe in the wave of that,
Speaker 1: the feeling of the room, that's the that's the momentum
Speaker 1: I'm drawing from it. Yeah, you get the players are different,
Speaker 1: You're right, But the feeling you get as like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're nailing this thing. We're working, we're we're working the board,
Speaker 1: we're working the phones, we're doing everything we can. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you sit back, can
Speaker 1: you look at your board to go, damn, we had
Speaker 1: a good day. You know, that's momentum to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Dave, what Brian is really alluding to is
Speaker 1: there are certain years and I think every general manager,
Speaker 1: every scout would tell you some years, man, you really
Speaker 1: feel like you got it nailed in terms of your
Speaker 1: grades and what the players are and where you are
Speaker 1: in terms of draft position that you're saying, and we're
Speaker 1: sitting at nineteen, here's the cluster players that are gonna
Speaker 1: be available to us. We have grades that justify these
Speaker 1: guys being taken at that spot. And when it falls
Speaker 1: that where you're like, man, that's a great job of
Speaker 1: us knowing exactly what we want and having the guys
Speaker 1: graded appropriately. And I think when you do that and
Speaker 1: you have those things lined up, you do walk away
Speaker 1: feeling like, Okay, we got our guy. Now let's go
Speaker 1: and focus on the next Here where we are, we're
Speaker 1: thirty six. Here are the guys that are available in
Speaker 1: thirty six. And when that board opens up and you
Speaker 1: have two or three of your choices, that's when you
Speaker 1: have the momentum. I think what you're alluding to in
Speaker 1: terms of it not being there, there is something to that,
Speaker 1: because the thing that is crippling is when you're looking
Speaker 1: at the board, you're two picks away and there's no
Speaker 1: one available that you really feel good about at that spot.
Speaker 1: No one has grated guys that are at that level.
Speaker 1: But you know that your your resigns to taking someone
Speaker 1: because you have to take someone at that pick and
Speaker 1: you can't necessarily trade out. Yeah. I think that's a
Speaker 1: and that's a fair point the thing. But momentum could
Speaker 1: also be restored by man, you could see ten picks
Speaker 1: before they get to you. You're like, man, they're they're
Speaker 1: taking our guys off one at a time. Here, let's
Speaker 1: work these phones. Let's see. You know, Dallas made a
Speaker 1: Dallas made a blow the hatch move with Travis Frederick
Speaker 1: to go to eighteen to thirty. You know, they left
Speaker 1: a second round pick basically on the table to get
Speaker 1: out of there. That to me is that's a panic.
Speaker 1: Momentum is finding a way to say, Okay, we're in
Speaker 1: trouble here, boys, let's let's see what we could get.
Speaker 1: If we could get a two out of this, let's go.
Speaker 1: You know. So, I think there's there's certain levels of that,
Speaker 1: But you know, I just feel like though when the
Speaker 1: room feels it, when the room feels it in those
Speaker 1: tags are coming off the right way. That's the momentum
Speaker 1: that helps you in those three days of drafting these players.
Speaker 1: And hopefully there will be momentum in the draft coming
Speaker 1: up in April, because there certainly was in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: and I think you could potentially see that again coming
Speaker 1: up and depending it doesn't matter where they are. It
Speaker 1: could be top ten, it could be late teens. If
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could find a momentum and find that rhythm
Speaker 1: with the scatting department. We saw it last year when
Speaker 1: they were picking at seventeen. When we come back though
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Speaker 1: This episode five of the twenty twenty one Draft Show.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about that twenty one draft class.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us David Hellman, We've got Bucky Brooks, I'm
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeomans and guys say it's time now for some
Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty Twitter on the twittery little delay,
Speaker 1: but we got it. There we go, Chris Beam putting
Speaker 1: in work back there in the back. He's got a
Speaker 1: lot of buttons to push throughout the day. Let's start
Speaker 1: things off with Matt Johnson. And Matt Johnson comes out
Speaker 1: and he says, who are you looking to snap's a
Speaker 1: bad player for the Cowboys. I just say the former Cowboys.
Speaker 1: He's a bad player. That was a bad pick. I
Speaker 1: don't think that was a bad momentum. No momentum on
Speaker 1: that pick. The unicorn himself. Oh, Matt Johnson, I do
Speaker 1: not know if that was him, and if it is,
Speaker 1: we apologize unfortunately. But were you looking to stag at
Speaker 1: pick nine eleven if Dallas does not make the playoffs?
Speaker 1: And who are you looking to take if it's nineteen
Speaker 1: through twenty four if they do make the playoffs? And
Speaker 1: how much of a gap is there between picks nine
Speaker 1: through eleven or nineteen through twenty four? And we'll start
Speaker 1: with Bucky on this one. You know, it's funny because
Speaker 1: I think, just giving the issues at cornerback, I think
Speaker 1: you have to take a cornerback if it's available, because
Speaker 1: I think the coverage can really impact the way the
Speaker 1: Cowboys play. We just went through the list of names.
Speaker 1: Caleb Farley is going to be in conversation. I think J. C.
Speaker 1: Horne would be in conversation in past or ten could
Speaker 1: potentially be a guy that we talk about a lot
Speaker 1: of It really though, depends on what happens with the
Speaker 1: coaching staff afterwards. If Mike Lowden is retained, then that's
Speaker 1: a different style cornerback that we're looking at. We're looking
Speaker 1: at someone who can play like treyvon Dix, who is
Speaker 1: comfortable playing off, who has vision and can make breaks
Speaker 1: and make plays and those things and so and feeling
Speaker 1: great about the cornerback class in terms of what could
Speaker 1: be available. Where the guy Boys pick, I am fine.
Speaker 1: I just think as a matter of who is the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator and what do they want going forward to
Speaker 1: play that position? Dave, Yeah, I agree with Bucky completely there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm so, I'll go for it. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree with Yeah, I agree with Bucky there. You know,
Speaker 1: and we need to if you're the Cowboys, you need
Speaker 1: to determine does Mike Nolan stay. I think that makes
Speaker 1: a lot of difference there. I do think like one
Speaker 1: of the guys I really like is Asante Samuel's son.
Speaker 1: I think he's a he's at a Florida State. The
Speaker 1: thing about him is he's short, you know, but man,
Speaker 1: the feat, the ability to stay with guys. You know,
Speaker 1: Clemson went after him a little bit. He's going to compete,
Speaker 1: you know, but I think he's got all the skills.
Speaker 1: He's just short. You know. Sean Wade is a guy
Speaker 1: that you've kind of watched him in Ohio State. He
Speaker 1: plays in the slot, he plays outside, he doesn't always start,
Speaker 1: he's not always on the field. You know, there there's
Speaker 1: gonna be some questions you're gonna want to take the
Speaker 1: guy that absolutely you know, and and and Horn at
Speaker 1: South Carolina makes a lot of sense for me. I
Speaker 1: just think there's you know, there's there's going to be
Speaker 1: levels of guys that you're kind of really like saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: what can they do? What is their skill level? You know,
Speaker 1: how will they play in our scheme? The names are
Speaker 1: gonna be there. I'll give you an example two of
Speaker 1: I absolutely in love with the linebacker from from Missouri. Uh,
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton, Okay, Nick Bolton, Yeah, Nick Bolton's a he's
Speaker 1: a He's a six foot guy, you know, but you
Speaker 1: watch him, and he makes just as many plays. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you watch him play, he makes just as many
Speaker 1: plays as Micah Parsons does. It's just their physically look different.
Speaker 1: But that's the kind of guy with you know, with
Speaker 1: with Bolton, you know Will, if they look at a linebacker,
Speaker 1: could he be that guy that's a shorter guy, but man,
Speaker 1: he's super super productive. And you know, that's probably the
Speaker 1: types of players you're looking at right there, the ones
Speaker 1: that Bucky and I've mentioned to you. Not surprisingly, I
Speaker 1: think it could be. I think it could be eerily
Speaker 1: similar to the conversation that we had last year. And
Speaker 1: it's so early to be trying to peg names specifically.
Speaker 1: But you know, the Cowboys, obviously they got super lucky
Speaker 1: with the CD Lamb situation if they hadn't drafted Lamb.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about maybe taking Trayvon Diggs, who they
Speaker 1: got in the second round. Obviously Calvan Chason is the
Speaker 1: other guy. Now you're talking about guys that you hope,
Speaker 1: you know, more so than being great college players, you're
Speaker 1: talking about guys that you hope can grow into that
Speaker 1: and that you know Bucky. Bucky said in the first segment,
Speaker 1: like I'm not in love with this edge rusher class. No,
Speaker 1: but but but you know, some edge rushers are gonna
Speaker 1: get taken in the first round, so I know, I know, Kyle.
Speaker 1: We have a question about the Miami edge rushers, so
Speaker 1: we can get to that. But maybe if you're picking
Speaker 1: at fifteen sixteen nineteen, maybe you're talking about a guy
Speaker 1: like a Gregory Rousseau or Jalen Phillips out of Miami
Speaker 1: or Carlos Fashim, because I mean, those are those are
Speaker 1: the types of guys that are available when you're picking.
Speaker 1: There are typically and not universally obviously because you've got
Speaker 1: Ceede Lamb, but you have to at least embrace the
Speaker 1: possibility that you're taking a guy who you're hoping can
Speaker 1: develop into a better player than what he was in college.
Speaker 1: I liked that a lot, and we're gonna get to
Speaker 1: that Miami question here in a little bit. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to go to the guy that Brian was talking
Speaker 1: about in Asante Samuel five ten, one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: four pounds out of Florida State. I mean, the notes
Speaker 1: that I had on his film was he gets his
Speaker 1: hand on the football. I mean it seems like he
Speaker 1: just finds a way to be in the right spot.
Speaker 1: He's got good movement, good goes to both sides of
Speaker 1: the formation. And then also nine PBUs in each of
Speaker 1: the last two seasons, and that was a season this
Speaker 1: year that he opted out of the final month of
Speaker 1: the regular season for Florida State. So this is a
Speaker 1: guy who, once again we kind of talk about the
Speaker 1: traits versus the production. He's a production guy and he's
Speaker 1: been there, whereas the traits haven't necessarily been there. But
Speaker 1: it also kind of depends on the type of corner
Speaker 1: that you're looking at there. Brian, Yeah, this kid, I
Speaker 1: mean when you talk these some of these corners are
Speaker 1: coming in and Bucky talked about this a couple of
Speaker 1: shows ago. There's some of these corners that were converted
Speaker 1: wide receivers. And you know, this kid, Samuel, he from
Speaker 1: the crib to the field. He was born to play
Speaker 1: a cornerback, you know, and you know, his dad was
Speaker 1: one of the most competitive guys i'd ever you know,
Speaker 1: we talk about Antoine Winfield and what he's done, and
Speaker 1: you know his son and all that. This kid's got
Speaker 1: the same kind of makeup as his old man. And
Speaker 1: I the quickness the footwork, the way he gets at
Speaker 1: the way he plays with his eyes, the way he
Speaker 1: doesn't let eyes get away from him. The only thing
Speaker 1: is he's short. He is he's going to measure five
Speaker 1: ten and I'm sorry, but you watch him play, He's
Speaker 1: got some special traits to him. And I think that
Speaker 1: people will ding him because of his his height. But
Speaker 1: if you watch the tape, you'll be impressed by him,
Speaker 1: you know. Brian, I think you bring up a couple
Speaker 1: of points. One we always talk about in the scouting
Speaker 1: industry the family business, and sometimes when we talk about bloodlines,
Speaker 1: is this the family business? Is this what this family does?
Speaker 1: And so when you talk about Asante Samuel Junior going
Speaker 1: from the carib to the field and his dad being
Speaker 1: such a prolific player in terms of the way that
Speaker 1: he played with instincts and awareness and those things, you
Speaker 1: wonder was he able to pass those things down? Cale
Speaker 1: you pointed out production and how it matters, and I
Speaker 1: think it's really important that as we continue to have
Speaker 1: these conversations about the cornerbacks and others, that we understand
Speaker 1: the different types of production. If we're going to continue
Speaker 1: to play a zone scheme where Mike Nolans pot really
Speaker 1: an emphasis on turnovers, then we have to check the
Speaker 1: background and see does this guy have a long history
Speaker 1: of getting his hands on the ball and turning it
Speaker 1: over because of not. It's kind of like the Brian
Speaker 1: Jones conversation Byan Jones is a terrific man cover guy,
Speaker 1: but you can't expect guys who always have their back
Speaker 1: to the ball to also get a bunch of interceptions.
Speaker 1: And so you see PBUs as opposed to interceptions. And
Speaker 1: so as we become to narrow the focus in terms
Speaker 1: of fit and scheme, finding the right corners who have
Speaker 1: the production that really fits what this scheme wants to bear.
Speaker 1: So let's let's go from corner to ad drusher because
Speaker 1: I think that's where even in this conversation Bucky, you're
Speaker 1: gonna see traits versus production. And this is a question
Speaker 1: for Bluff City Cowboys on Twitter, and they tweeted and said,
Speaker 1: who is the better defensive end from Miami? Greg Russo?
Speaker 1: Who is? I guess? Throughout the season has been tapped
Speaker 1: as a top fifteen prospect but opted out of twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: which gave way to Jaylen Phillips, who had a fantastic
Speaker 1: twenty twenty has really shown up here in this season.
Speaker 1: He at the time, and then his question said, I
Speaker 1: personally like Phillips a lot more. We'll start with Dave
Speaker 1: on this one because you brought it up initially, but
Speaker 1: then we'll go to Bucky and Brian will close this
Speaker 1: out on this. But I like Phillips more as well
Speaker 1: if based off of what I had seen. I know
Speaker 1: Jeff Cavanaugh would agree with that as well. But what
Speaker 1: do you think about these guys? I actually I spent
Speaker 1: my morning with watching Phillips, so thank you for the
Speaker 1: heads up that we were going to talk about him.
Speaker 1: I mean, just from from just from what I saw,
Speaker 1: and this shouldn't be surprising for you know, a rising
Speaker 1: college player who's really had one season in the spotlight.
Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot of power, but I was
Speaker 1: impressed by his speed and his footwork. You know, it
Speaker 1: didn't seem like he got a lot of push if
Speaker 1: the tackle got his hands on him, but he's got
Speaker 1: the speed to get around him, he's got the moves
Speaker 1: to get inside of him. I liked what I saw.
Speaker 1: And then the big for me, which we've talked about
Speaker 1: this a few times, already this year on the show.
Speaker 1: I you know, Russeau hasn't played. Rousseau played last year.
Speaker 1: He didn't. He hasn't put any stuff on tape this season.
Speaker 1: And I'm tempted to lean toward Phillips just because he's
Speaker 1: got games on tape that I can look at and say,
Speaker 1: this is what this guy did in October and November.
Speaker 1: And I mean that sounds harsh to Rousseau, I suppose,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have that. So that's kind of where
Speaker 1: my head's at. Yeah, I think it's a valid point.
Speaker 1: I will say this about Rousseau because when you dig
Speaker 1: in Russeau's background, Russeau was a wide receiver who has
Speaker 1: made the switch to being a defensive end. And he
Speaker 1: talked about Manny Diaz and those guys town that laying
Speaker 1: out of vision for how he was going to develop.
Speaker 1: And so a season ago you saw him get double
Speaker 1: digit sacks, you saw him kind of put it together
Speaker 1: without even really knowing what he's doing. And having a
Speaker 1: conversation with him earlier, he had talked about learning moves
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out how to sequence that. Now,
Speaker 1: to your point, Dave, we haven't seen it out in
Speaker 1: real time, so we don't know how much he has improved,
Speaker 1: but our will say, and scouting your coaching staff, if
Speaker 1: you have a teacher at that defensive end, that that
Speaker 1: D line coach position, and he is able to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I like what he is. I like the length, I
Speaker 1: like to speed in explosiveness, and if I can give
Speaker 1: him a tool or two, he can be a high
Speaker 1: end rusher. I would lean a little more towards Rousseau
Speaker 1: because I believe his athleticism is going to be off
Speaker 1: the charts when we see him at the combine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no question about this, And this is a lesson
Speaker 1: you need to be learned. They both were number fifteen,
Speaker 1: So be careful what tape you're trying to dig up
Speaker 1: because you might be watching they're both one six five
Speaker 1: and one six seven and they kind of look the
Speaker 1: same day, so you've got to be careful about that.
Speaker 1: But you know, I leaned towards Phillips. I do understand,
Speaker 1: and talking to some folks down at Miami, they do
Speaker 1: swear by Rousseau. They mean they feel like that that
Speaker 1: he has got the best upside of the two and uh,
Speaker 1: but I I tend just watch him and maybe it's
Speaker 1: because of you know, seeing it this year or seeing
Speaker 1: it you know live, you know, or not live. But
Speaker 1: you know, currently I just feel like that there's a
Speaker 1: there's just a better I have a better feel for
Speaker 1: Phillips's game, the way he's able to close, the way
Speaker 1: he's able to get his hands on blockers, the way
Speaker 1: he's able to control. This guy's got some foot quickness
Speaker 1: to him. You know. I always saw one play where
Speaker 1: I felt like that he was in really bad shape
Speaker 1: and it resulted in a touchdown. But other than that,
Speaker 1: the guy could change directions, he could get back on plays.
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't play like a tall guy. He
Speaker 1: plays like a guy that's you know, is a is
Speaker 1: a is a compact guy. But he's got that movement,
Speaker 1: that quickness to him and stuff. But man, this this
Speaker 1: is where I struggled. These Miami guys. I struggled. These
Speaker 1: are two, as they say the scouting word world, these
Speaker 1: are two boom or busp project or not projects or prospects,
Speaker 1: you know, because you could hit big on either one
Speaker 1: of these guys, or then it could be a whole
Speaker 1: nother situation where you're looking at yourself and like, man,
Speaker 1: the vision we had for those guys doesn't match how
Speaker 1: they play in the NFL. I love the link from Rousseau.
Speaker 1: I mean six to seven uses his wingspan really well.
Speaker 1: The one thing about Jalen Phillips, there's a couple of
Speaker 1: things on him. Actually, One, he struggled with some ankle
Speaker 1: and wrist injuries in the past that forced him to
Speaker 1: miss over half of his potential games. Also, not to mention,
Speaker 1: he almost retired from football with these injury issues before
Speaker 1: he transferred from UCLA. He ended up going from UCLA
Speaker 1: to Miami couldn't play in twenty nineteen because of the eligibility.
Speaker 1: That's when Rousseau shine and then when Phillips came in
Speaker 1: and Rousseau opted out, it allowed Phillips to shine. So
Speaker 1: there's that back and forth. Really kind of a cool story.
Speaker 1: Whenever you talk about the comeback from Phillips, the the
Speaker 1: potential from Gregory Rousseau. I think this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a back and forth conversation we're gonna have really until
Speaker 1: Draft A honestly, and maybe even after depending on where
Speaker 1: these two guys go. But this is something that I
Speaker 1: was kind of on early on and wanted to get
Speaker 1: you guys involved with in talking about because this is
Speaker 1: something that I struggled with too, Brian, I don't know
Speaker 1: which one I like more, and I think it changes
Speaker 1: every couple of days. But we're gonna have to step aside.
Speaker 1: We're going a little bit long here. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the early makeup of this class and
Speaker 1: kind of some more about the trait versus potential aspect
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys playoff abilities coming up this weekend, So lots
Speaker 1: of TBD with the draft show. But before we close
Speaker 1: things out, Christian asked, compare this upcoming draft class to
Speaker 1: last year's class. How do they stack up against each other?
Speaker 1: And it seems like more of a strong offensive class
Speaker 1: than a defensive class. Brian, what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: You know, he's absolutely right the question. I mean, every
Speaker 1: of the top fifty guys that I've watched so far,
Speaker 1: it's a very offensive heavy draft. These quarterbacks will are
Speaker 1: going to anchor this thing, and then you got to
Speaker 1: figure out these offensive tackles. These receivers. I think that
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna couple of running backs in there.
Speaker 1: We're talking about questions at defensive end. We're talking about
Speaker 1: questions and defensive tackle. There's some questions. It's a little
Speaker 1: bit at safety corner. I mean, it's clearly an offensive
Speaker 1: draft at least early until you figure out these other
Speaker 1: defensive guys. Yeah, Bryan hit a nail on the head,
Speaker 1: like it's very offensive heavy, and I think what we've
Speaker 1: seen is we're just seeing the trickle up all these
Speaker 1: guys in high school playing offense and kind of going
Speaker 1: up in the defensive guys are kind of the leftovers
Speaker 1: of the cast offs, and so with this draft class,
Speaker 1: I think we're strong at cornerback, but really that's really
Speaker 1: the strongest position because the questions at pass rusher are plenty.
Speaker 1: You don't have a dominant defensive talker assists at the
Speaker 1: top of the boards. Linebackers are just kind of men,
Speaker 1: and so I think you kind of have to load
Speaker 1: upon your offensive guys and then you have to have
Speaker 1: a very clear vision for what you want defensively to
Speaker 1: find the guys that fit that and are drafted at
Speaker 1: the right place, so your expectations aren't out of line
Speaker 1: with what their ability is. If you it's actually kind
Speaker 1: of funny, like if you just look at the positional breakdown,
Speaker 1: I feel like the strength at least at the top
Speaker 1: of this draft look kind of similar to last year.
Speaker 1: Like you're talking about maybe four quarterbacks that go in
Speaker 1: the first round, maybe a fifth, but like four that
Speaker 1: you feel pretty confident about, a lot of pass catchers
Speaker 1: that you're excited about, whether it's Chase Smith, will throw
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts in there because he's basically a receiver anyway.
Speaker 1: And then you know, if there's a defensive strength in
Speaker 1: this draft, you know, last year they had Chase Young,
Speaker 1: which that's a huge difference, but other than that, you
Speaker 1: would probably say cornerback is the strength defensively, and then
Speaker 1: you got a whole bunch of offensive tackles that you
Speaker 1: feel really good about. I think the talent level last
Speaker 1: year looks more impressive to me right now, But I
Speaker 1: think a big part of that is also we haven't
Speaker 1: gotten to see some of the absolute best players from
Speaker 1: this class play. I mean, how much different would we
Speaker 1: feel about this class if Gregory Rousseau had played a
Speaker 1: whole season, or you know, if Jamar Chase had played,
Speaker 1: or you know, any number of these really talented guys
Speaker 1: that opted to sit out. I think we'd probably be
Speaker 1: a little bit more excited if we had ten eleven
Speaker 1: games of Caleb Farley tape. So I'm not ready to
Speaker 1: say that it's drastically worse than last year, but I
Speaker 1: do think it's funny that, you know, the strengths are
Speaker 1: kind of similar when you just look at it in
Speaker 1: terms of position. That perception is everything, and right now,
Speaker 1: the perception is off of twenty nineteen tape for a
Speaker 1: lot of these top prospects in twenty twenty, it's still
Speaker 1: kind of up in the air. That's a really good point, Dave,
Speaker 1: and I think that's something we might have to bring
Speaker 1: back up in a different edition of the show. But
Speaker 1: that is going to do it for us today here
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Speaker 1: either next Tuesday or two tuesdays from now. It'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see depending on the Cowboys making the playoffs,
Speaker 1: because if the Cowboys do not make the playoffs or
Speaker 1: they are eliminated. Will have two draft shows starting next week.
Speaker 1: This group will be on Tuesdays, then Kate, Jeff Cavanaugh
Speaker 1: and Dave Brugler will be on Thursday. Lots of fun
Speaker 1: still to be had as there's one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: days till the NFL Draft. But for Chris Beam, for
Speaker 1: Brian broad Us for Bucky Brooks, and David Hellman up
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