WEBVTT - Wind Tunnels: More Important Than You Realize

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of five

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Josh Clark, there's Charles W. Bryant, and there's Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Woosh Roland over there is just getting worse and worse.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Stuff You Should Know podcast wind Tunnel a

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<v Speaker 1>dish m Aren't you glad we're not in the same

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<v Speaker 1>room so that you couldn't smell my breath When I went, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my daughter's gotten a bad habit of doing that, and

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<v Speaker 1>she thinks it's funny. I'm like, it's really not of

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<v Speaker 1>what of like breathing and someone's nose on purpose, like

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<v Speaker 1>right in your face, and like no one, no one

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<v Speaker 1>likes that. Yeah, she's she's just entered the age of

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<v Speaker 1>what five to where that's something people do. Yeah, not

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<v Speaker 1>not funny. Ever, I'll tell you what. These masks that

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<v Speaker 1>we're all wearing, this is a real reckoning with your breath.

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<v Speaker 1>THO wouldn't it? Oh my god, it's funny. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a it's like an hour by our slide into despair.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, I don't remember eating garlics. Yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning is like, oh man, this is great,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love this mask. And later in the day

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<v Speaker 1>you're you need that toothbrush. Yes, it's true. They say

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<v Speaker 1>you can't smell your own breath and they are wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm brushing my teeth now more than other because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm scared to go to the dentist. Yeah. Same here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also flossing like a mad person too. You're flossing

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<v Speaker 1>right now, I can, I can hear it. Wow, that

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<v Speaker 1>was the most pc thing I've ever said, is what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm flossing like a mad person, not a madman. And technically,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess not. I would have said like a mentally

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<v Speaker 1>ill health person. Yeah, I think that's even bad. Who

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<v Speaker 1>knows these days, right, that's right. Let's talk about wind tunnels. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're talking wind tunnels. Um, and I had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea how interesting wind to thos were. I had an

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<v Speaker 1>inkling that they were going to that there was like

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<v Speaker 1>more to wind tunnels than people realize, which is absolutely true. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're they're pretty, they're deep cut. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>there was way there's way more to them, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can do way more with them and learn way more

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<v Speaker 1>from them than I thought because my experience with wind tunnels.

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<v Speaker 1>Like most people is seeing the cool TV commercial with

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<v Speaker 1>the with the like green smoke flying over the car

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<v Speaker 1>to demonstrate how aerodynamic it is. And to be sure,

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<v Speaker 1>that is a very big part of what they use

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<v Speaker 1>wind tunnels for. Yeah. Yeah, and Chuck, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>and I were in a commercial in a wind tunnel.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you might bring this up. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>wind tunnel. Technically that that um indoor skydiving thing is

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<v Speaker 1>a type of wind tunnel. It's a vertical wind tunnel. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys haven't seen that. It's been a while

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<v Speaker 1>since we promoted these things. We used to do these

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<v Speaker 1>little shorts. Um no, this was different. Well no, but

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<v Speaker 1>these were based on the shorts. Yeah. Yeah, we did

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<v Speaker 1>these little shorts that we called interstitials. Did a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them, and to me, it's like the best video

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<v Speaker 1>work we've ever done as a team. Um, I love

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<v Speaker 1>don't be done. But that was just you. Um well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was great. It was you in the room and

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<v Speaker 1>it was this chair and you sort of played a character. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>go on, And some people have problems with the character

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<v Speaker 1>because I thought you were making fun of a certain

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<v Speaker 1>kind of person. Sure, that wasn't true. It was all

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<v Speaker 1>very kind hearted and just funny. That was really great,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Sure. Uh and that chair still here in

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<v Speaker 1>the office, right, Yes it is, and I believe my

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<v Speaker 1>outfit still is. I'm waiting for the Smithsonian calm. So. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We did this um TV commercial for Toyota that was

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<v Speaker 1>very much in the vein of those interstitials where we

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<v Speaker 1>were in just all over Atlanta, in various parts of

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta doing funny things. That was l A. Remember well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this was again talking about the original interstitiause I'm so confused.

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<v Speaker 1>Then when we went to l A, we did the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. We replicated that style in Los Angeles and

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<v Speaker 1>long the upshot of this all is we end up

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<v Speaker 1>in a indoor uh skydiving facility having a conversation like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a normal conversation or trying to That was

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<v Speaker 1>the gig, the gig. That was the gag. That was

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<v Speaker 1>the bit. Yeah, and you get slung against the side

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<v Speaker 1>of it at the end, which is kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>funniest part. Yeah, it really really was. It was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be an outtake and they made it an intake.

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<v Speaker 1>Those things were very difficult to uh if you've never

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<v Speaker 1>done one before. There, I mean, it was fun and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cool, but it's not easy. You don't just

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<v Speaker 1>go in there and be like, hey, I'm floating. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really really hard actually, yeah, like you're working every

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<v Speaker 1>muscle in your body. It's kind of like water skiing

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<v Speaker 1>looks fun too. Yeah you were good at it. I

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<v Speaker 1>was not very good. I was okay, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was tough. Yeah. So, um, that was what would

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<v Speaker 1>be technically called a vertical wind tunnel, right, And they

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<v Speaker 1>actually used those two to research spin. Um, Like, when

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<v Speaker 1>something goes in, uh, like a tail spin, like a

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<v Speaker 1>helicopter goes in a tailspin, they would use a vertical

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<v Speaker 1>wind tunnel to test for that kind of thing. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But the wind tunnels we kind of more think of

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<v Speaker 1>are the horizontal tubes where you see a car or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that having the cool smoke blown over it

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<v Speaker 1>for a commercial. But they're very useful. Um, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is something I didn't really know I kind of I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just thought they were all these big giant

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<v Speaker 1>things that you would put an actual car in. Most

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<v Speaker 1>wind tunnels are these little desktop models that you use

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<v Speaker 1>in a science lab that have a scale model that

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<v Speaker 1>you're using instead of the actual thing, right, which which means, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that you're using a smaller version, but that is precisely

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<v Speaker 1>scaled down. It looks the right size, doesn't quit. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure this plane will fly, this is close enough. But

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<v Speaker 1>what's neat about that is that they can scale this

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<v Speaker 1>thing down. They can subject it to, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>same conditions as they would a full size model. But

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<v Speaker 1>then they can correct for the data for that whatever

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<v Speaker 1>with the numbers they're getting the output, they can correct

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<v Speaker 1>to scale it back upwards. Um, just using math. Because

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<v Speaker 1>if there's one thing that goes hand in hand with

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<v Speaker 1>wind tunnels, it is math, friends, Because the whole point

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<v Speaker 1>of wind tunnels is to study aerodynamics, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>flow of air or gas is over an object. Um

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<v Speaker 1>And in this case it's a stationary object and the

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<v Speaker 1>wind is moving. But what they're really doing is simulating

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<v Speaker 1>that object moving out there in the real world into wind.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, that's a wind tunnel. And when you

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<v Speaker 1>put it like that, it sounds very simple. They are

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<v Speaker 1>not simple at all. There's really nothing about wind tunnels

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<v Speaker 1>that's simple, from their construction, to their cost, to what

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<v Speaker 1>they're used for, to all of the different variables and

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<v Speaker 1>conditions that they can test for there they grew step

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<v Speaker 1>in step, hand in hand with the aviation industry, Like

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<v Speaker 1>we probably wouldn't have an aviation industry right now without

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<v Speaker 1>wind tunnels. Um and that should kind of give you

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<v Speaker 1>an idea of how complex the stuff that people are

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<v Speaker 1>doing in wind tunnels is, or the data they're extracting

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<v Speaker 1>from these wind tunnels tests. It's not just like, look

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<v Speaker 1>that cool green smoke bending over the car. That's for

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<v Speaker 1>for yokels like you and I watching ads while you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in between golf, you know, like you're watching golf and

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<v Speaker 1>the ad comes on my brain. Is the best part

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<v Speaker 1>of golf, The ads I've actually kind of gotten. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you watching golf now? Yeah? Kind of here there. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not something I seek out. But and it's not for

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<v Speaker 1>the golf. I could care less about the golf. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the it's the views, it's the shots. The golf courses

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<v Speaker 1>are just they have the most amazing backdrops and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just so tranquil and calm. It's really something. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I live right down the street from the legendary East

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Country Club in Atlanta, Bobby Jones Course, and been

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<v Speaker 1>to one day of that one tournament. That's the only

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<v Speaker 1>time I've actually been to a professional golf tournament and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I stood there twelve feet from Tiger Woods

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<v Speaker 1>and the tea box is pretty pretty neat. Wow, like

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<v Speaker 1>just to see because I played golf a lot growing

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<v Speaker 1>up and it's a hard sport and to see someone

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<v Speaker 1>do it uher perfectly right in front of your face

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<v Speaker 1>with that much power, was it was. It was really impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, what would really help Tiger Woods swing

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<v Speaker 1>if they put him in a wind tunnel, put some

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<v Speaker 1>green smoke in the wind and watch them swing. They

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<v Speaker 1>could tell him how to do it better. You want

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<v Speaker 1>smoke him smoke that's right, that's right. Shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>our Guard Detroit crew from the day. Al Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to go back in time and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about human flight, you're gonna look at things like Da

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<v Speaker 1>Vinci's ornithopter and kind of a lot of early stabs

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<v Speaker 1>at flying were humans looking at birds and thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're gonna fly, we're gonna have to learn how

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<v Speaker 1>to flap wings really fast. And it made sense. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess if you're looking at birds, they're the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>flying around. Uh, it would make sense that that's where

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<v Speaker 1>they would go. But they knew early on, regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>the flapping, that they needed to understand wind and how

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<v Speaker 1>wind worked with wings. And so they started going to

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<v Speaker 1>these little hills and mountains and they started going to

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<v Speaker 1>caves that had you know, they were looking for some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of predictable, constant wind so they could do some

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<v Speaker 1>early testing. And they realized, you just can't do it

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<v Speaker 1>with mother nature. You can't get a consistent wind, not

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<v Speaker 1>enough to get real data out of it and do

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<v Speaker 1>that math that we need so so drastically to make

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<v Speaker 1>this possible. Right so, and and initially we got that

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<v Speaker 1>assist from birds and that we knew wings had to

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<v Speaker 1>be involved. That the whole flapping thing really kind of

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<v Speaker 1>threw things off for a while. But because we knew

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<v Speaker 1>that there had to be wings, we knew that there

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<v Speaker 1>had to probably be some ideal or optimum shape of wings.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's really where wind tunnels first got their start,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't testing different shape of wings or air foils. And

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<v Speaker 1>there was a guy back in seventeen forty six named

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Robbins who created a wiry arm um, which is

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<v Speaker 1>basically like a It was a centrifuge basically is what

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<v Speaker 1>he created. He had a hard time picturing this, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's only there's this one very rudimentary sketch that made

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<v Speaker 1>it even more confusing. Okay, so just just imagine you

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<v Speaker 1>have like a pole coming out of the ground vertically

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<v Speaker 1>and you have an arm attached to that pole, and

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<v Speaker 1>the pole can spin around in a circle like a centrifuge,

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<v Speaker 1>like one of those G force testers that they have

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<v Speaker 1>at and like, um, like astronaut training, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that thing. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>that guy invented. But it was like with wood and

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<v Speaker 1>in the dirt. It wasn't and it didn't go that fast.

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<v Speaker 1>But you could have fixed a like a wing type

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<v Speaker 1>that you were testing to see if it worked well

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<v Speaker 1>to the end of it and push it through the air.

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<v Speaker 1>And it didn't really help this guy figure out what

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<v Speaker 1>wings style or size was the best. What it helped

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<v Speaker 1>him figure out is that it doesn't have that much

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<v Speaker 1>to do with anything with flapping. We don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>be wasting our time inventing machines that that flap their wings,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's not it. It's all about this thing called

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<v Speaker 1>lift and drag and the proportion between those two. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you can figure out how to get more lift

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<v Speaker 1>and decreased drag. Then you can you can really make

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<v Speaker 1>some you can fly basically, And this was the very

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<v Speaker 1>first inklings of that that Benjamin Robbins came came up with. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and what I saw was that Robbin's really kind of

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<v Speaker 1>pinpointed drag, like the shape is super important. And then

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<v Speaker 1>after him, Sir George Cayley had his own whirling arm

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<v Speaker 1>and he's the one that really figured out lift was

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<v Speaker 1>a key. After they realized the shape of the thing

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<v Speaker 1>matters the um more than the shape, like the size

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<v Speaker 1>of it matters. Size does matter, especially when you're flying,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you're flying, and uh that if you could

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<v Speaker 1>just get a quick enough takeoff, you don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>flap at all. All you need is a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>speed at first, which they could have also gotten frankly

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<v Speaker 1>by if they would have kept looking at birds and

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<v Speaker 1>realized they eventually stopped flapping, they might have realized, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you actually don't need to flap the whole time. You

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<v Speaker 1>can glide if you've got enough speed, right and and well,

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<v Speaker 1>actually a lot of the early flying machines were gliders.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of the the Wright brothers were not

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<v Speaker 1>the first people to UM engage in in human flight.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a monk named Elmer of Malmsberry who has

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<v Speaker 1>the first recorded human flight back in ten fifty c

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<v Speaker 1>E not b C and um he he You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that was almost a thousand years before the Right Brothers UM.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Right Brothers are credited with with UM the

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<v Speaker 1>like an engine powered flight human flight. Right, So they

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<v Speaker 1>they were dabbling in what's what Kaylee and Robbin's well,

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<v Speaker 1>Kaylee especially figured out that you need thrust and there's

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<v Speaker 1>just nothing around that's light enough to produce enough thrust.

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<v Speaker 1>So Kaylee actually gave up and went and joined parliament

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<v Speaker 1>for a while before he finally created a flying machine.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty years before the Right Brothers. He made his UM.

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<v Speaker 1>He made his coach driver test pilot it, and the

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<v Speaker 1>coach driver was so scared even though the flight was

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<v Speaker 1>successful that when he landed he was like, I quit,

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<v Speaker 1>I quit. I'm not. I don't work for you anymore. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but George Kayley's very much overlooked figure in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of flight. He apparently figured out the general shape um

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<v Speaker 1>of a modern airliner back in Yeah. Alright, I say

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<v Speaker 1>we take a break, we'll come back and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the first wind tunnel right after this. Alright, so Kaylee

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<v Speaker 1>has these whirling arms going terrible name, but it worked out. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Then enter a man named Frank h Win him. He

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<v Speaker 1>was another Englishman and he was in the Aeronautical Society

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<v Speaker 1>of Great Britain, and he said, guys, we need or

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, gentlemen, we need a wind tunnel, and we

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<v Speaker 1>need it bad. And so in eighteen seventy one he

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<v Speaker 1>had the very first wind tunnel. Was twelve ft long,

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<v Speaker 1>about eighteen inches square, with a forty mile wind, which

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty good. It was. It consisted of your daughter going,

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<v Speaker 1>oh god, stinky has went dunne her breath. Isn't that

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<v Speaker 1>stinky yet? Kids don't really start to stink until later,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, until later. But the winds were powered

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<v Speaker 1>by a steam fan at the end of the tunnel,

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<v Speaker 1>and it worked pretty well. He was able to get

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<v Speaker 1>that leading edge of the airfoil and move it up

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<v Speaker 1>and down and change his angle angle of attack and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of see what shaped, uh and what angles worked

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<v Speaker 1>best with to get the best lift. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>still sort of choppy, and it was rough around the edges.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you really want to make this you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to fly safely, you got to have

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<v Speaker 1>a really really really consistent, very smooth wind to work

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<v Speaker 1>with to get that data. And they still didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>one at this point. Now they still didn't, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were advancing by leaps and bounds here that people were

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<v Speaker 1>building their own wind tunnels. Because up to that point,

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<v Speaker 1>if you had in a design for an airfoil, for

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<v Speaker 1>like a wing size or shape, you had to build

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<v Speaker 1>it and then go take it out into nature and

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<v Speaker 1>test it and hope for the best, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>really expensive, really time time consuming. With your own wind

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<v Speaker 1>wind tunnel, you could make a model of the shape

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<v Speaker 1>and test it out yourself and then see this is

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<v Speaker 1>actually worth pursuing, or this as junk, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what our dear beloved heroes, the Right brothers did

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<v Speaker 1>in Ohio outside of Dayton, Lorville and Wilbur Wright Um

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<v Speaker 1>built their own wind tunnel. These guys were just like tinkerers.

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<v Speaker 1>They owned a bike shop, but they were so fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>were following these developments in early flight that they just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of got into it themselves and they built themselves

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<v Speaker 1>a wind tunnel. They had like two different or two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred different types of wings. I believe that they messed

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<v Speaker 1>with selected the thirty best ones that they had developed

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<v Speaker 1>in their wind wind tunnel of their own construction and

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<v Speaker 1>design um And apparently I saw somewhere that by nine one,

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<v Speaker 1>after their wind tunnel tests, the Right Brothers, a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of bicycle repairment in Dayton, had the world's um most

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<v Speaker 1>accurate data scientific data on on flying and wings in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. And they'd come up with it entirely by themselves. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's the thing with these wind tunnels, especially early

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<v Speaker 1>on in kind of still, it's not like they could

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<v Speaker 1>use that wind tunnel and come out with a surefire

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<v Speaker 1>product using math and uh and testing different designs and

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<v Speaker 1>shapes and tilts and angles. But it was such a

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<v Speaker 1>time saver and broken bone saver that you didn't just say,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, well, I think this might work. Let's go

0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.439
<v Speaker 1>and push our cousin off of a cliff or our

0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.880
<v Speaker 1>coach driver or whatever and see if it works. They

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<v Speaker 1>still had their failures, all of them did, But I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it would have taken I mean, god knows how

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<v Speaker 1>many more years if they didn't, like at least start

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<v Speaker 1>from a point of likely success thanks to wind tunnels.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, like, look at it. They went from

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<v Speaker 1>they finished their wind tunnel tests in nineteen o one,

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<v Speaker 1>they had their first powered flight in en three. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's so it's amazing two years and it

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<v Speaker 1>definitely did accelerate it too. And so you can see

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<v Speaker 1>from the outset that that aviation and wind tunnels just

0:17:55.320 --> 0:18:00.720
<v Speaker 1>developed together, and wind tunnels developed aviation um. But the

0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.600
<v Speaker 1>first wind tunnels, like you said, they had a really

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<v Speaker 1>big problem, and that was the air that they produced.

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<v Speaker 1>The stream of wind was very choppy, very turbulent, and

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<v Speaker 1>your data was not necessarily reliable. It wasn't too terribly

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<v Speaker 1>much better than say, going out into mother Nature and

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<v Speaker 1>subjecting you know, the same model to those winds um

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a big problem. So one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>things that they figured out how to do was to

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<v Speaker 1>make the wind smoother so that you could get a reliable, smooth,

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<v Speaker 1>steady wind um in your wind tunnel whenever you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to use it. Yeah, and that's where we come to

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<v Speaker 1>the modern tunnel, very very smooth airflow. And they have

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<v Speaker 1>five basic sections of and they're you know, they're all different,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have five basic sections. In a modern tunnel

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<v Speaker 1>that's the settling chamber, the contraction cone, the test section,

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<v Speaker 1>the diffuser, and the drive section. So we start out

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<v Speaker 1>with this swirling air and it's a big choppy mess

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<v Speaker 1>and it enters the tunnel and we'll talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>in a second, because it's kind of cool, little counterintuitive,

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<v Speaker 1>but it makes a lot of sense. Um it goes

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<v Speaker 1>into the settling chamber, which does exactly what you think.

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<v Speaker 1>It settles that air, straightens it out. They might have

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<v Speaker 1>these little honeycomb holes or a screen or these panels,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's just sort of the initial thing to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of get it nice and smooth and moving in the

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<v Speaker 1>same uniform direction. Yeah, and then it goes down. They

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<v Speaker 1>step it down through that contraction cone, and that just

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like anything else. If you make the

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<v Speaker 1>the tube smaller, it's going to increase that velocity of

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<v Speaker 1>air flow. And that's where it gets to the test section,

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<v Speaker 1>which is whatever. And the test section depends on what

0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.119
<v Speaker 1>you're testing. If it's a desktop thing, the test section

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<v Speaker 1>might be twelve inches long and you might have a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny little model of an airplane wing in there, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's where the actual thing you're testing is and where

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<v Speaker 1>all the sensors are record all the data because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got your visual that you've got these windows so

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<v Speaker 1>you can shoot TV commercials and you can look at

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. But there's also all manner of sensors to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up on all manner of UH data and observations. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's really cool that they still you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when they operate wind tunnels, they still watch through the

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<v Speaker 1>window because there's a lot to be gained visually from

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<v Speaker 1>from just human beings watching this stuff, and so you

0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.600
<v Speaker 1>want to you want to watch it right, Yeah, for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when they got the green smoke thing turned on.

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<v Speaker 1>So after it goes through the um, the test section

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<v Speaker 1>enters a diffuser UM which kind of it slows things,

0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.960
<v Speaker 1>slows things down UM and maybe just exits the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of the opposite of the contractor it just

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<v Speaker 1>opens back up right exactly. So there's UM, there's there

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<v Speaker 1>as far as breaking. There's a lot of different kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of wind tunnels, as we'll see, but there's really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of two categories too, broad categories. You've got open and

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<v Speaker 1>closed circuit, and an open circuit is where you have

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<v Speaker 1>wind going in on one end, going through the diffuser

0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:09.800
<v Speaker 1>and the honeycomb in the test section and then coming

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<v Speaker 1>out the other end blowing into the room and another

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<v Speaker 1>with the closed circuit. It's just basically an oval and

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<v Speaker 1>so when the wind is generated, it goes through the

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<v Speaker 1>it goes through the test section out the back, but

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<v Speaker 1>then bends around an oval track and then comes back

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<v Speaker 1>around again and through the contraction coning into the test

0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.000
<v Speaker 1>section again and again, and can just keep going rather

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<v Speaker 1>than just blowing out the other side. Yeah, and here's

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<v Speaker 1>the part that I said wasn't intuitive, but it's really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of neat when you think about it. The drive

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<v Speaker 1>section is where this fan is, and this is what

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<v Speaker 1>it's just generating that air flow. And I always just

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<v Speaker 1>thought a wind tunnel was a fan pointing at the thing.

0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:53.119
<v Speaker 1>They're actually behind the thing, because you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>push air onto something, you want air being pulled over something.

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<v Speaker 1>And it it just makes total sense, but you ever

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<v Speaker 1>really thought about it, You just I always just pictured

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<v Speaker 1>a big fan blowing at a car, but the fan

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<v Speaker 1>would actually be behind the car and it's probably looping

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<v Speaker 1>around and smoothing out this entire way and then being

0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:14.399
<v Speaker 1>gently pulled over the car exactly. And in just the

0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.880
<v Speaker 1>same way that the fastest way to cool off, say

0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:21.439
<v Speaker 1>like a server room that you don't have good cooling on,

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<v Speaker 1>you just throw a box fan the opposite way. So

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<v Speaker 1>the boxman is blowing out into the regular room, but

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time it's sucking the air, the hot

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<v Speaker 1>air out of the out of the server room, and

0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:35.880
<v Speaker 1>cool air is rushing into a place that hot air.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're creating like an air flow that's much less turbulent.

0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.879
<v Speaker 1>When the fan sucks the air out, it's much smoother

0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.320
<v Speaker 1>than when it blows it in, which creates a lot

0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 1>more turbulence. And that was the big problem that was

0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.680
<v Speaker 1>facing like the Right Brothers and some of those other

0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.840
<v Speaker 1>early wind tunnel creators, is they their fans were blowing

0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.040
<v Speaker 1>on the front of their models rather than having the

0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:01.640
<v Speaker 1>fan behind it sucking the air over the models. Right.

0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:06.280
<v Speaker 1>So these little models they're kept in place, sometimes around wire,

0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:10.320
<v Speaker 1>sometimes around these middle poles. Uh sometimes I think they

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:14.240
<v Speaker 1>really super high tech ones use um super strong magnets

0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:16.640
<v Speaker 1>to actually hold them in place, which is pretty cool.

0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.800
<v Speaker 1>And then again you've got all these sensors all over

0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:24.080
<v Speaker 1>the place attached to the model measuring I mean, we'll

0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:27.000
<v Speaker 1>see it gets really really deep. But just at the

0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:30.760
<v Speaker 1>outset you can measure like wind velocity and air pressure

0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and temperature, and if you're talking about airplanes, roll and

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:39.560
<v Speaker 1>yaw and drag and lift, and I mean, you can

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<v Speaker 1>kind of do anything you want in there. And if

0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you have, like if you're testing an airplane or a

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:47.120
<v Speaker 1>scale model of the airplane you're gonna build, it's on

0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:50.359
<v Speaker 1>something called the sting, which is a pole basically that

0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:55.760
<v Speaker 1>goes into the airplanes bottom. But but then inside the airplane,

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:57.919
<v Speaker 1>the airplane is not attached to the pole. It's attached

0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.200
<v Speaker 1>to something called a balance. And it's like all those

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:03.840
<v Speaker 1>sensors you just mentioned all in one instrument, like a

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 1>cylinder tube, and as the airplane moves and pitches and

0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:11.920
<v Speaker 1>yaws and rolls and and gallops and all that stuff,

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:16.080
<v Speaker 1>not gallops, So I made that part up. UM, it's

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.639
<v Speaker 1>it's acting on those sensors and the motion, the mechanical

0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 1>motion on those sensors is translated into an electrical impulse

0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 1>and that travels down the stinger into the computers which

0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:28.520
<v Speaker 1>are picking up all of this data in real time

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:33.200
<v Speaker 1>and UM logging it and creating new new versions of

0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:37.360
<v Speaker 1>the UH the model based on that stuff. It's pretty amazing.

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>What's even more amazing that makes sense that that exists today,

0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:44.199
<v Speaker 1>That's existed since like the forties or the fifties, and

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:47.400
<v Speaker 1>in much more primitive form, but essentially the same thing

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.639
<v Speaker 1>that we use today, the same kind of balance what

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<v Speaker 1>has been around for decades. Wasn't there a Simpsons joke

0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 1>about y'all control? Yes, yeah, when they had one of

0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:03.920
<v Speaker 1>those like backyard pockets now with yaw control and didn't

0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 1>like buzz Aldrin or something, say like, wow, look at

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:10.360
<v Speaker 1>that y'all control. I think so that was good stuff. Uh.

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.119
<v Speaker 1>Some other things that they measure, which you might not

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>really think about existing is viscosity and compressibility, or the

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 1>tackiness or the bounciness of the air itself. So when

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>you're thinking about air blowing over a car driving down

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 1>the road, you don't think of that air is like

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.600
<v Speaker 1>being sticky necessarily. But when that air is moving over

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the hood of that car, in the top of that

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:36.440
<v Speaker 1>car or the plane or whatever it is, Uh, those

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:38.800
<v Speaker 1>little molecules are gonna hit the surface and just very

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:42.040
<v Speaker 1>very briefly, they're going to cling to that surface, and

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:44.960
<v Speaker 1>that even for that brief brief amount of time. It's

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:48.199
<v Speaker 1>gonna create a little boundary layer of air next to

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the thing that you're trying to measure air flow over. Yeah,

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>which is, like I said, a very big deal. And

0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, an individual air molecule is going to stick

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:59.880
<v Speaker 1>for a nano second, just some ridiculously short amount of time.

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 1>But there's so many air molecules that they essentially just

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:05.880
<v Speaker 1>replace each other as fast as they can move. And yes,

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:09.640
<v Speaker 1>they create this this this boundary layer. And as far

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 1>as aerodynamics is concerned, your your say, your car blow

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>go like driving through this wind that's that's sticking to

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 1>it um now has a different shape. That boundary layer

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>creates a different shape or extends it outward beyond the

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 1>actual physical shape of the car. And so, yes, very

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 1>much so. And then so so when you're trying to

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:35.840
<v Speaker 1>test like how fast the car is going to go,

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>how many miles per gallon it's going to get that

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:41.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. That boundary layer makes a tremendous amount

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:44.199
<v Speaker 1>of difference because it changes physically changes the shape of

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 1>this this thing when it's out there traveling at high speeds.

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 1>So one of the great benefits of an air tunnel

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 1>is you can test, like, what boundary layer is produced

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.200
<v Speaker 1>by this particular shape of this car under this condition.

0:26:56.440 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, if it's um humidity, but you know forty

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.760
<v Speaker 1>degrees ferrent height. Uh, and they're traveling at eighty miles

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 1>an hour, what kind of boundary layers produced? Okay, well

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 1>what about seventy five an hour at the sixty percent humidity.

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 1>You can just change all these variables, and the wind

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 1>tunnel allows you to simulate it in in in Basically, UM,

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 1>get all this data in real time. UM. Just lickety

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 1>split basically. Although one other thing, I just want to

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>say this, we're making it sound like this is fast.

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 1>This is actually, and has been, especially until the age

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>of computers, very arduous work. Because if you wanted to

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>change one variable, if you said, well, this headlight is

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.800
<v Speaker 1>actually causing way too much drag, you would have to

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:40.880
<v Speaker 1>switch that headlight out with your next model and run

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the same tests over and over and over again with

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>the different different um conditions and log all that data.

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 1>So it was really arduous before computers, and you kind

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 1>of get the idea that aerodynamics as a field of

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>study is really given over to computation. Like there has

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 1>been a huge savior for that field and helped it

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 1>along and saved a lot of people a lot of time. Yeah,

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 1>and you mentioned things like humidity and temperature um. There

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 1>are all different kinds of wind tunnels, and they can

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 1>be very specific as to what they want to test

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 1>or very broad, but they're they're all able to do

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.919
<v Speaker 1>things like that. You can dial in a temperature, you

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 1>can dial in um atmospheric pressure if you want to

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 1>see what something' is like on Mars, which they have

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 1>to do if you want, like the Mars Rover to

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>be successful. They can. They can ice up a plane

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>wing just by introducing refrigerated air and spraying a mist

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.639
<v Speaker 1>of water that freezes and lands on the wing, and

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 1>you can simulate all these different things humidity and temperature,

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 1>And it's just amazing that that they thought to to introduce.

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, at first they started out probably just looking

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>at aerodynamics of flow over a thing, but as they

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 1>got more and more specific with their needs, they just said,

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 1>you know that we can design these tunnels to kind

0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>of do anything we want to do, like recreate any

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>and vironment you can think of. Basically, Yeah, it's true,

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 1>and I mean like as as we started to build

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 1>planes that go faster and faster. We started building tunnels

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>that simulated that really high speed travel, and so we

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>have hypersonic and supersonic um wind tunnels that don't use

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>fans at all, but they use like bursts of compressed

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>air that blow right onto the model. Those do blow

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>at the thing instead of sucking behind it. Right. Um.

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 1>But it's it's a huge release of of air that

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 1>is traveling so fast it simulates you know, like a

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>jet flying through you know, hundreds of you know, millions

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 1>of miles an hour probably yeah, or hey, what's it

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>like for a rocket human capsule too, uh to come

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>back into Earth's atmosphere at the and and not burn

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 1>up like they can simulate those temperatures. Yeah, there's one

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 1>in I think North Carolina. No University of Texas at

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Arlington has something that can simulate that goes up Torees Ferren.

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy, man, it is. It's a wind tunnel for

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 1>all in times of purpose. It's a wind tunnel. But

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 1>they have built these things so that they can simulate

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>basically any any climate. And you know, we talked about smoke,

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's always fun in those TV commercials to see

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 1>the smoke blowing over the thing. And it's a nice

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>visual to sell cars that look super aerodynamic in our

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:26.239
<v Speaker 1>super aerodynamic. But that visible flow isn't just you know,

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 1>for the stoners in the lab department, like late at

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 1>night to play around with, although they probably do that,

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>but they flow visualization is a real technique. Um, you

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>might just have colored smoke, you might have liquid, like

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 1>a mist of liquid. You might have they use this

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>colored oil sometimes that uh you can see like the

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 1>wind pushing the oil along the surface of whatever model

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 1>you're using, and then they've got these high speed cameras

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>capturing all of it. And again it's just, um, it's

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 1>another variable they can actually look at rather than just

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>using numbers and data. Yeah, I saw one, um one

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 1>was taking photographs of like two thousand frames per second.

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.840
<v Speaker 1>That speed it was, but it was they were testing

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>like a rocket or something or model of it. Should

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 1>we take a break, Yeah, let's all right. We'll be

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 1>right back with more on wind tunnels right after this.

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 1>So Chuck, I was like a lot of this really

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 1>breaks my brain. It's one of those things we're like,

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I totally get this on the surface. Let

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 1>me scratch a little deeper. I don't understand this at all.

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 1>And the reason why is because you know, aerodynamics requires

0:31:56.680 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of math and formula and all sorts of

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>calculations that I'm not contrated that I'm not currently capable

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 1>of doing that. But one of the things that I

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>tried to shake down was when you do a scale

0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:14.200
<v Speaker 1>model of something, do you have to scale down the conditions?

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 1>And it turns out I wasn't the first one to

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>think about this. Other people have, including people who work

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>in wind tunnels, and apparently they do not do that.

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>They will say, subjected to the same wind speed as

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>they would like the full size one, but then they

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 1>go back and use math to adjust um these that

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 1>all the different variables and again, you know, we talked

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 1>about pitch and y'all, role um, drag lift, all sorts

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. I'm sure quite a few things and variables

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 1>that you and I haven't even come up with um

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>or run across during our research. But in each one

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 1>of these interacts with each other thing, right, So it's

0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>like one of those things where you know you have

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a eleven possible hoppings for a pizza and that creates

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>twelve million potential combinations. It's a brain breaking amount of

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 1>math involved exactly. So that's what they're doing. To scale

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 1>it down and scale it up. They can say, oh, well,

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>it produced this data. If we run it through these

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 1>these you know, formula um like, we can show that actually,

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 1>like it will have this effect in the in the

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 1>real world. They're using that level of math. Anybody who

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 1>can do that with math, I admire them deeply. If

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you're listening out there and you can do stuff like

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>that with math, my hat is off to you because

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 1>I will never be able to do that, and I

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>admire you. Yeah, And you know what, we've taken some

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>heat for kind of beating up on math a little

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 1>bit is like boring because we were English and journalism

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 1>guys and history guys. But uh, I've really come to

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 1>appreciate math and doing this show. I'm no better at

0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 1>it and don't care to be, but I appreciate the

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, math is the one thing that doesn't care

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 1>about what you think about it. It doesn't care about opinions,

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>and there's no interpretation or nuance. It's just it's just math.

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>And like what makes like to look at these to

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>look at a math equation that would take a model

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>of an airplane and a tiny little thing and a

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 1>tiny wind tunnel and then say, well, now we just

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 1>scale it up to this, and this is how you

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 1>do it right, just multiplied by time. It makes me

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:26.799
<v Speaker 1>so nervous, But a real mathematician would be like, this

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 1>is the last thing you should ever be nervous about,

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.919
<v Speaker 1>because it's it's just math. It's just right there. Well,

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 1>it's just and they probably the idea of them of

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 1>doing public speaking would probably scare the Jesus. And the

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 1>thing is exactly like, different things attract different people, and

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:43.239
<v Speaker 1>that's great because that makes the world a lot more

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 1>rich and complex that you have all these different people.

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 1>If everyone was in the math, it would be a

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>pretty boring place, or if everybody hated math would be

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a pretty boring place to Like, you need all different kinds,

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:56.400
<v Speaker 1>different strokes for different folks. Makes the world go round,

0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 1>I think, is the rest of them. All. Right, Let's

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>talk about some of these wind as in the world,

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 1>because they're amazing. NASA has one at Ames Research Center

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 1>in San Jose or near San Jose, biggest in the world,

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 1>biggest one hundred and eighty feet tall, dude four hundred

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 1>feet long, and the test section on this thing is

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 1>eight ft tall and a hundred twenty ft wide, so

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 1>you can put a full size jet plane in that thing. Yeah.

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I saw that. I was like, well, what kind and

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>they said seven thirty seven. Yeah, that's pretty good that kind, buddy,

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:30.439
<v Speaker 1>pretty pretty good size. So yeah, that's a I don't

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:32.719
<v Speaker 1>know if they call it this, but I hear here

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:36.920
<v Speaker 1>henceforth call it the Big Man with jam. Yeah. It

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 1>uses six four story high fans, each of which is

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 1>powered by six two thousand, five hundred horsepower motors. Six

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 1>fans each as tall as a four story building. That man,

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 1>that's amazing. A hundred and fifteen mile in our winds

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 1>is where it tops out, yeah, which is pretty great.

0:35:55.800 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Um that there's also a lot apparently. I was reading one,

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 1>um uh, some like blog posts I think on like

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:09.319
<v Speaker 1>a Formula one site, and they were talking about how

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>like every single company, every single racing team has in

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.399
<v Speaker 1>its facility of full size wind one like it can

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>hold a full size Formula one car the cost of

0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 1>like six million dollars or whatever. But they are um

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:28.720
<v Speaker 1>like cutting edge as far as um aerodynamic study is concerned. UM.

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 1>And the reason why is because like if you can

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 1>shave a second off of somebody's time just by reconfigure

0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>the engineers reconfiguring the shape of a fin or a

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.800
<v Speaker 1>tail or something like that. That's that you just it

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 1>just paid for itself basically because it may have just

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 1>one like the you know, good job there, Yeah, thank you.

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:54.279
<v Speaker 1>So there are NASCAR's obviously obviously got a couple of

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 1>these things in North Carolina. The home of NASCAR Aerodin

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 1>wind Tunnel. UM that is in North Carolina, and it

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:05.279
<v Speaker 1>tests full sized stock cars. There's no one called wind

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 1>shear there. Um. This is a closed circuit tunnel that

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>actually has a treadmill in it for cars. It's got

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 1>a built in rolling road. Yeah, saw that in a

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 1>few places, like BMW has one with the rolling road.

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 1>You know what's interesting to me too, is so we

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:25.240
<v Speaker 1>saw that the aviation industry and UM and wind tunnels

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of grew hand in hand. The auto industry didn't

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:31.400
<v Speaker 1>really look up wind tunnels until about the fifties is

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 1>when they really started running their cars through those, and

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:38.799
<v Speaker 1>they went, boy, these cars are not aerodynamic. Now look

0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 1>at it. Look at that yaw control. Though. Yeah, I

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.240
<v Speaker 1>love those old cars. Though I used my old Plymouth

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Valiant that I used to have. Um. This is obviously

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<v Speaker 1>way before anyone ever thought of anything like anti lock breaks.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the most fun things I would do

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<v Speaker 1>when I was driving with friends on an empty road

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<v Speaker 1>late at night was get up to about fifty miles

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<v Speaker 1>an hour and just slam on the brakes. It was

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<v Speaker 1>so much fun, man, it was great. You would just go.

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<v Speaker 1>You would slide about a hundred feet before finally coming

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<v Speaker 1>to arrest. That was a great impression of slamming on

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<v Speaker 1>the brakes too, by the way, it was good and

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 1>you know it. It was like we called it the

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<v Speaker 1>sled because it was just this big, heavy hunk of metal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like I was sliding all over the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just sliding very straight in a line. What's

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite of aerodynamic that Plymouth Valiant? There you go, um,

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:38.839
<v Speaker 1>sluggish like a what sponge? Yeah, that's about right. So UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should wrap this up on the future

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<v Speaker 1>of wind tunnels because people have been saying like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>wind tunnels are are dead. Now we've got computational fluid dynamics,

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:51.960
<v Speaker 1>which is basically computers can figure all this out if

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<v Speaker 1>you put a shape into you know, auto CAD and say, computer,

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what you know will happen if I try

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 1>to fly this under these conditions, It'll tell you um.

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<v Speaker 1>And they people have said, well, you know, it takes

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work and a lot of money to

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<v Speaker 1>run and build and use wind tunnels. UM. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're probably going away people who work in wind

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<v Speaker 1>tunnels saying no, to not do away with the wind tunnels.

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<v Speaker 1>We need them still because yes, computation UM helps a

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<v Speaker 1>lot with the early work, but when you finally have

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<v Speaker 1>something that you need to prove, you really kind of

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:29.439
<v Speaker 1>want to see it in real life to make sure. Yeah,

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 1>you want to see that smoke yourself. UM. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know computer simulations can't simulate green smoke very well. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got to see that in real life. So they they're

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<v Speaker 1>saying that this is complementary technology and that they really

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<v Speaker 1>we need to keep our wind tunnels around because we

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 1>still need them. Yeah. And I think we'd also be

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<v Speaker 1>remiss if we didn't say it's not just um vehicles

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and seeing how like a space shuttle or a car

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<v Speaker 1>or a plane or a dune buggy might might run

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.359
<v Speaker 1>in the wind. Um. If you want to see how

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<v Speaker 1>airflow if X like a computer U and components in

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<v Speaker 1>a computer, you can yeah, good point, like how they come,

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.680
<v Speaker 1>how they cool computer chips. If you want to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out the very best design for a wind turbine or

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<v Speaker 1>wind farm, then you can use air tunnels. Um. There

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<v Speaker 1>are lots of other different uses that you don't think

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<v Speaker 1>about just on kind of everyday products. Sometimes. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a I have to say, there's a a Virginia Tech.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an ann echoic, an echoic I believe, wind tunnel

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<v Speaker 1>where they test wind turbines to see what kind of

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:32.759
<v Speaker 1>noise they're going to make. And they have so the

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<v Speaker 1>walls are as far as the wind is concerned, it

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<v Speaker 1>has four walls, but as far as sound is concerned,

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<v Speaker 1>it has three because one of the walls is made

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<v Speaker 1>of kevlar, so wind won't go through it, but sound

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:46.959
<v Speaker 1>will code right through it like it's not even there.

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 1>So they can take accurate measurements of what's going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen when the wind hits this turbine, what kind of

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:56.279
<v Speaker 1>sound is it going to make? And they're making the

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 1>country folk who live among wor wind turbines much happier.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. Yeah, So that's it for wind tunnels, everybody.

0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:06.800
<v Speaker 1>There's probably more to it, but it's far, far beyond

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>chucks or my grasp. So again, hats off to all

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:14.319
<v Speaker 1>the aerodynamicists in all of their maths. Ah. If you

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:16.880
<v Speaker 1>want to know more about wind tunnels, go check stuff

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 1>out on the internet. I hear there's a man with

0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the page boy haircut who does a pretty mean demonstration.

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:26.319
<v Speaker 1>No no, no, that's just the printing press. Okay, I

0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:30.759
<v Speaker 1>thought he was a factotum. He might be renaissance man. Um. Well,

0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:33.479
<v Speaker 1>since I said renaissance man, everybody, it's time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call this on Wetlands. And this is one

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<v Speaker 1>from Brian from Queens and this is very cool. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize this. There was a a music venue in

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<v Speaker 1>New York when I used to live up in New

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<v Speaker 1>Jersey called Wetlands that I would go to, and I

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<v Speaker 1>never knew that was kind of a cool story behind it,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I do. So this is from Brian and

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<v Speaker 1>he says, you know, the New York City area is

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded by salt marshes and there are tons of or

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<v Speaker 1>it says, protecting New York City's natural flood and pollution

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>guards as you described them um in the nineties and

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the eighties and nineties that the Wetlands Preserve. It

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<v Speaker 1>was an activist nightclub named for the land that Lower

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Manhattan was built on. The club was on Hudson in Tribeca,

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<v Speaker 1>very much Downtown Manhattan, which back in the early settlement

0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 1>by the Dutch was in subsequent subsequent takeover by the

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<v Speaker 1>English was all Salt Marshes. Wetlands Preserve, colloquially referred to

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<v Speaker 1>as the Wetlands was open from eighty nine to two

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 1>thousand one. Dual purpose was to create an earth conscious,

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:39.319
<v Speaker 1>intimate nightclub that would nurture live music, integrated with a

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:43.600
<v Speaker 1>full time environmental and social justice activist center in the

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 1>club's basement. Wait, what was the years that was open?

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<v Speaker 1>Eighty nine to two thousand one? There is a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent chance that Jewel played there. He doesn't list to it,

0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:57.279
<v Speaker 1>but I bet she did. Okay, whoa he lists? He

0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 1>lists a few, but he also links to many more,

0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:01.399
<v Speaker 1>and she's probably in there. I think I saw wean

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 1>there if I'm not mistaken. But he said downstairs. Activist

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.760
<v Speaker 1>planned protests, made pamphlets, wrote letters to politicians and lobbies,

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 1>generated boycotts and educated club patrons, while upstairs we hosted

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:17.360
<v Speaker 1>or they hosted some formative performances for legendary rock brands

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:21.880
<v Speaker 1>like Pearl Jam, Dave Matthews, Merein Five, Oasis, Widespread Forget,

0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Jewel Fish, Rise Against Fishbone, Bikini Kill, Blind Melon, and

0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Jewel Yes. The nightclub raised revenue for the Activism Center's

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 1>effort efforts, and the intern Activism Center staff and volunteers

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 1>educated nightclub patrons on environmental, social justice, and animal rights

0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:46.720
<v Speaker 1>issues through posters, educational displays, literature, et cetera, and film screens.

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<v Speaker 1>The New York based Wetlands Activism Collective continues. The club

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<v Speaker 1>is shut down, but they continue it's environmental, social and

0:43:54.280 --> 0:44:00.200
<v Speaker 1>political activism to this day. And that is from Brian Stolary. Nice, Ran,

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty great. I never knew that. I think it

0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 1>went to a couple of shows at Wetlands. Oh you did,

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<v Speaker 1>and I never knew that there was something else going

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:08.839
<v Speaker 1>on there, and I kind of had forgotten about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if when you showed through, like the Cops

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<v Speaker 1>Cop Narc that was Brian. You said, Yeah, Brian Stolary,

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty cool. Thanks for filling in the blanks for

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<v Speaker 1>us there Brian um and if you want to be

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:26.839
<v Speaker 1>like Brian and filling some blanks for us, you can

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