1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: We're here live at the NFL Combine for Big Blue 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Kickoff Live Day two, John Schmulk, Paul Detino, and our 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: lead off hitter on day two was our number one 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: draft export. Friend of the program. That's Dan Brugler at 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: DP Brugler on Twitter. You can find his work at 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: the Athletic and go and subscribe at the Athletic dot com. 7 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: We have live shows two hours every day Wednesday, Thursday 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,159 Speaker 1: and Friday. Dane's good to have you. How are you? 9 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: Comboy doesn't start until I get to meet with you 10 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: guys and talk about these prospects. So happy to be here. 11 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely Well, let's start with the measurements. Last couple of days, 12 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: we've seen some quarterbacks, offensive lineman, running backs as well. 13 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: Anything jumped out at you. I have to start with 14 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, don't we uh coming in at five ten 15 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: and an eight, which is a big win. Five ten 16 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: looks a lot better on paper than five nine. Uh, 17 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, as arbitrary as that sounds. Uh. And then 18 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: coming out of two oh seven, that's the bigger number. 19 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: I think, you know, we're expecting playing weight more than 20 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: the one ninety range, but he gets up to two 21 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: oh seven not gonna work out here, So you know, 22 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: you do wonder what his playing weight is realistically, probably 23 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: more in thee but still five ten two or seven 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: looks great on paper. We talked before the show started, 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: how you said you could understand why he's conducting himself 26 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: the way he is because of an agent telling him that. 27 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, these clubs are 28 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: bummed out about it. Sure, no, no question. It's makes 29 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: a pro day that much more important. And this is 30 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: a player who decided what two weeks ago he's gonna 31 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: play football, you know, so you wonder how much has 32 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: he been throwing? How much you know, in terms of 33 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: just being loose and feeling comfortable in this type of setting, 34 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: it's disappointing. Um, you know, especially when you get a 35 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: chance to I know, some people will just kind of say, 36 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: when you're throwing, getst air, you're you're wearing shorts, you know, 37 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: But when you're one after the other after the other, 38 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: it's a great opportunity for evaluators just to see how 39 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: the ball comes off your hand. Uh, just you know, 40 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: your your mobility, your movement in the different drills they 41 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 1: have here. Uh, you know, it's disappointing that he won't 42 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: be throwing like a Dwayne Haskins, like lock, like Daniel Jones. Uh, 43 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: but it just puts more pressure on his pro day. 44 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: And you know, I understand why some choose not to 45 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: throw here, but it does put more pressure on the 46 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: pro day because you basically have one shot. If you 47 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: go to your pro day and it's not what you 48 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: wanted to do and maybe you're not feeling pcent that day, 49 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: well you put your all, all your eggs in that 50 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: one basket, and you know that that's if you don't 51 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: perform up to what you hope to do, then that's 52 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: on you. Will that be at an indoor facility, it 53 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: will be well, I've been to Oklahoma's Pro Day the 54 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: last few years and uh, maybe it's it's a nice 55 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: day maybe to go outside, but they have a nice 56 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: indoor facility. In the past, they've done pro days inside, 57 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: So that would not be a factor. It should not 58 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: know whether should not be a factor. This is usually 59 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: at this early juncture a very difficult question, but for 60 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: this draft, maybe it's not. If you had to predict 61 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,119 Speaker 1: the first five guys off the board before the Giants 62 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: go at six, I think I know what yourants is 63 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: gonna be. But who are your five that you think 64 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: the Giants will not have the ability to take? Well, 65 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: I don't think they'll have a chance of the top quarterbacks, uh, 66 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and Dwayne Haskins. Uh. And history tells us that, 67 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, we don't have those. You know, the team's 68 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: picking the top five. None of them scream, hey, we 69 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: need to quarterback. You know, maybe the Cardinals at one, 70 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: maybe they do take Kyler Murray, but Oakland you never 71 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: know to yeah, absolutely, despite what you know. Make Mike 72 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: Mayok said that Derek car is a franchise guy. But 73 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, this is the time of year where it's 74 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: a lot of talk. It's lying season. You know who 75 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: knows um. But I think to the both quarterbacks when 76 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: the top five, we're gonna see some trades. The last 77 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: three years been eleven quarterbacks draft in the first round. 78 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Ten of those quarterbacks were taken by teams you traded 79 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: up for those picks. So we're gonna see some movement 80 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: here in the top five, whether it the Jaguars at seven, uh, 81 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, the Miami at thirteen, the Redskins at fifteen. 82 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: If I want a quarterback in this draft. I'm not 83 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: sitting at thirteen or fifteen and waiting for Drew lock 84 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: or uh Daniel Jones. I'm going up to get the 85 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: best quarterback, and in my opinion, that's it's uh Dwayne Haskins. 86 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's gonna have his Uh. There's gonna be some 87 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: teams that are in on uh Kyler Murray, but he 88 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: has a realistic chance to go number one. So besides 89 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: those two quarterbacks, were the other three prospects you think that, 90 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: I think you know the top three player is. You're 91 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: probably looking at Nick Bosa. As long as the medicals 92 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: go okay this week. That's it's a big step for him. 93 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: Quentin Williams from Alabama. I think Bosa and Williams are 94 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: the two best players in this draft, and I think 95 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a drop off after that. 96 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: And if I had to choose a fifth guy would 97 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: probably Josh Allen from Kentucky who he plays the right position. 98 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: That's right. Big jump this year in terms of production, 99 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: in terms of his ability, he added about twenty pounds. 100 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: He expanded his pass rush repertoire with his moves in 101 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: different ways. He can be blockers. So I think Josh 102 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: Allen's put himself. I mean, if he came out last 103 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: year as a junior, he was looking at maybe a 104 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: borderline top one d guy, came back for a senior year, 105 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: got bigger, got stronger, got better, and you know, he 106 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: put himself in position to be a top five pick. 107 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: I don't know where the scout was ranking his quarterbacks, 108 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: but I talked to a scout the other day who said, 109 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: to me, top three guys like what you just said, 110 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: and then from four to fifteen it's a fraction of 111 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: a difference. Now that doesn't include the quarterbacks because we 112 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: all know they get over drafted. Anyway. Do you agree 113 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: with that assessment or does it go deeper or shorter 114 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: than that? Honestly, I I like Josh Allen a lot. 115 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: I think it's Bosa Williams and then I think that's 116 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: where there's a drop off, and then there's just a 117 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: clump of guys that you like a lot. But you know, 118 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: like this draft doesn't have ten true top ten picks, 119 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, and most draps don't, and so there's going 120 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: to be some players that maybe get picked a little 121 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: bit earlier, like a Devin White from l s U. 122 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: The linebacker really talented. But I mean I thought Roquan 123 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: Smith was a better prospect and he went what seven 124 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: last year? He might get pushed, Uh you know the 125 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: Bucks at five or you know one of these teams 126 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: in the top ten. Uh t J Hockenson from Iowa, 127 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: who probably the first skill player drafted this year over 128 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: a wide receiver over a running back. He could be 129 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,559 Speaker 1: in that top ten mix. We're gonna see a slew 130 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: of these pass rushers come off the board from Cleveland, 131 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,119 Speaker 1: Farrell from Clemson, J. Chai Polite from Florida, Uh, Montes Sweat. 132 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: So you know, we're gonna see a lot of pass rushers, 133 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: a lot of defensive lineman at Oliver, Christian Wilkins, the 134 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: interior guys. Uh. It's really going to be interesting to 135 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: see how this top ten, top twelve shakes out is 136 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: again after Bosa, after Williams. I think that that's where 137 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: we have a mix at these guys, where different teams 138 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: you have different opinions. How far down you know, I 139 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: think it's top twelve to fifteen. I mean I think 140 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: basically what you said that that makes sense, Like that's right. 141 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: Differentiate from me the pass rushers. After you get past 142 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: Bosa and Alan Cleland Farrell, Jakai Polite, Brian Burns, Montez Sweat. 143 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: What separates these guys are just really what are you 144 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: looking for? I of the beholder type of player you want? Right? 145 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: I think what what you value with the position I 146 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: got Like Jechai Polite, he's a quarterback assassin because of 147 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: that that first move, like that quarterback. He says, that's 148 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: what he is. He's that first step that he has, 149 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: his outstanding, that speed. He was basically a nickel rusher 150 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: at Florida. He didn't play a lot of early down. 151 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: He didn't And but this is a player who he 152 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: played three technique because as a freshman, so you know, 153 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: I think he can put on the size and his build. 154 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: He played three technic. He was he was up about 155 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: two seventy as a freshman and then he lost some weight. 156 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: Uh and he was about two forty five ish this 157 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: past year, and so he doesn't have You know, if 158 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: you're looking for a three down player, they're gonna have 159 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: some questions there in terms of candy hold up against 160 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: the run. But that first step, quickness, his ability to 161 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: bend uh flattened to the quarterback. It's all there. Athletically, 162 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: he should test really well here. Uh, Brian Burne should 163 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: as well, have some questions about him holding up the 164 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: point of attack really lean guy. Uh, we'll see what 165 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: he what when he comes in measurement wise in terms 166 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: of the weight. You know, is he above to forty 167 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: closer to fifty. If he can get closer to fifty, 168 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: that would be a big win for him. Once blockers 169 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: are able to latch on and they can control him 170 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: and so point of attack. Uh, that that's where Brian 171 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: Burns really needs to improve. Cleveland Farrell good first step, 172 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: but the second and third steps that you worry about. 173 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: He's not the most athletically gifted pass rush. Very good hands, 174 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: very productive, absolutely technically sound. He understands how to use 175 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: his hands, very active, and he has an understanding what 176 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: he's doing to break down the rhythm up blockers. We 177 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: saw in the National Title game against Joonanah Williams. He 178 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: understood it exactly how to attack Jonah Williams and uh 179 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: that that was a big win for him. If if 180 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: you're looking for a reason why to draft Cleveland Farrell 181 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: just throwing the National title game and that will tell 182 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: you exactly everything you need about Cleveland Ferrell. Let's go 183 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: to the offensive tackles for a minute, because there are 184 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: some people who are just so disgusted with the fact 185 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: that there are two point stances in college and Jesus 186 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: the only time we get to see three point stances 187 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: is at the Senior Bowl. So so how much does 188 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: it hurt some of these guys. Dave Gentleman was telling 189 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: us yesterday that some of them, you can tell about 190 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: their athleticism, and we know they can project anyway regardless, 191 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: and they'd still be a top ten pick, right, And 192 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: you know it's and it's not just offensive linemen. You 193 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: talk about corners who aren't asked to press, aren't asked 194 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: the pedal or you know, all these positions at the 195 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: college level, there's a zoning college exactly. There's some type 196 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: of projection that you have to make and that's why 197 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: the combines important to see how they move to see. Uh, 198 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: you know, there's a pedal drill for these corners for 199 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: the offensive linemen to see how you know, their mirror drills. Uh, 200 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: when they're forced to put their hand on the ground, 201 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: how do they do? So? Yeah, you know they're like anything, 202 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: it's a projection, but I think that you know, it's 203 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: part of its muscle memory, uh, in something that you 204 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: can work on and see at the pro day, here, 205 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: at the combine, individual workouts, private workouts. So you know, 206 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: I think you can tell if the guy's athletically gifted 207 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: and you hope that uh, you know, the rest works 208 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: itself out. And this is if you need an offensive 209 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: tackle in this draft. It's not a bad draft to 210 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: need one in the first round. That we're gonna see 211 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: plenty of these offensive line and go off the board. 212 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: Mentioned Jonah Williams. He came in with over thirty three 213 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: and a half inch arms. It's a big win for him. Um, 214 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: you know, I at thirty four's really where you want 215 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: to be for an offensive tackle in terms of arm length. 216 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: But thirty three over three or thirty thirty three and 217 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: a half, I'll take that. Uh. Cody Ford from Oklahoma, 218 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: I really like him. He's a big boy and he 219 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: moves really well. I mean he's a grizzly bearon pads 220 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: and if did you play guard, he played tackle at 221 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: one scout put it to me he's a B plus 222 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: tackle in the league or his name minus guard. So 223 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: where do you want to play him. I think he 224 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: gives you some versatility with what you want to do. 225 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor from Florida, some tackles or some Scotts. He's 226 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: the best tackle in this draft. Greg Little is up there. 227 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: So if you need a tackle, this is not a 228 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: bad year to need one. Taylor, of course, is injured 229 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: and it's not gonna work out for a year. And 230 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: little boy, we've talked to some people, John people have there. 231 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: He's all over the place. Why why is it so 232 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: wide on him? It's funny because watching him the first 233 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: half of the year, you know, I think in October 234 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: I watched his tape from September and I was really impressed. Uh, 235 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: it moves really well. He's got a relaxed punch. Reminded 236 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: me a lot of Ronnie Stanley when he's coming out 237 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: of Notre Dame top ten pick to the to the 238 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: ravens um. And then later when I added to see 239 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: and so I put Greg Little as a top fifteen pick. 240 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: And then when I after the season, I watched a 241 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: second half That's where I saw. I don't know, and 242 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, the Mississippi State game. Just I can't get 243 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: that out of my mind. He really struggled in that 244 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: game the Egg Bowl. So just an up and down performer. 245 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: And so if you get him to play consistently because 246 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: he has the feet, I think he has the hands. Uh, 247 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: if you get him to play with a little more aggression, 248 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: a little more consistency, you have yourself a long term 249 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: starting left tackle. But those are two big gifts there 250 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: that you have to kind of figure out if you 251 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: want to roll the dice in the top fifteen on 252 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: a player like that. Simply from a value perspective, Dane, 253 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: make the case for me why the Giants shouldn't take 254 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: at six either a quarterback, a pass rusher, or an 255 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 1: offensive tackle. Can you make that case or do you 256 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: think that's what you're looking at? I mean, I think 257 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: that's what you're looking at. And look, I thought they 258 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: should have taken a quarterback last year. And you know 259 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: you'd try to argue with see Kwon Barkley that that 260 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: pick and what he did, and you know, I'd love 261 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: to have him on my team, but you know you 262 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: have to get the quarterback position. Figure it out. Uh, 263 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: you know how many how many wins did see Kwon 264 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: Barkley get? You last year compared to if you had 265 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: a different running back. You know, there's a big discussion 266 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: there about value and when you factor into quarterback and 267 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: how much he means. Uh. You know, if I'm the Giants, 268 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to get a quarterback this year. Can you 269 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: make the argument for a linebacker or a corner again 270 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: just from a value and the player being the best 271 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: player in the draft or anybody at those two spots 272 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: worth going top ten in your mind or no, not 273 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: in my opinion. And going back to I remember sitting 274 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: here with you guys talking about what were the Giants 275 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: gonna do it to last year and hearing Gettleman talk 276 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: about how, oh, with the second pick, I want a 277 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer. I want a guy who's gonna 278 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: wear the gold jacket one day. And so with the 279 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: six pick, about too far off the second pick. I 280 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, I don't see a linebacker in this draft 281 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: like Devin White from LSU a lot um, but I 282 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: don't think he's a top six pick in this draft. 283 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: I like some of these corners. I think it's a 284 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: deep cornerback group. I feel good about the guys you 285 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: can get later in the first, in the second, but 286 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: in the top ten. Not so much so if you're 287 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: picking six and talking about the premium positions quarterback pass rusher, 288 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: and we didn't mention Rashan Gary either. Who this is good. 289 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: They're gonna rename the combine after Rashan Gary after he's 290 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: done with it. It's gonna be he's gonna put on 291 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: a show. Uh, he's gonna be about two eight pounds 292 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: and he's gonna run you know, in the four sixes, 293 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: he's gonna it's three con is gonna be under six nine. 294 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: Just ridiculous numbers. So Rashan Gary, the production, the hype 295 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: wasn't or the producian didn't match the hype at Michigan. 296 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: But the traits that's what NFL teams draft and he 297 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: definitely has the traits and I'll show that here. Did 298 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: you think he's more of a five technique or do 299 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: you think he's gonna be a four or three or 300 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: or you're gonna move inside to the three on passing downs? Baby, 301 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: you can. I think you can do whatever you want 302 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: with him because he's Yeah, he's a talent and his 303 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: pass rush plan needs improved, needs to understand some of 304 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: the more you know, the fine tune the technical aspects 305 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: of his game. But just talking about this traits, Uh, 306 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: the length of the speed, the quickly five, it's ridiculous. 307 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: He moves. It's silly for a guy like that. So 308 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: he can plan space, you can move him inside. UM, 309 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: I don't think you are restricted with a player like that. 310 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: Let me go back to the quarterbacks for a second, 311 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: Dame Dame Brugler joining us, So once again on the 312 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: show from the UH, you had said you think the 313 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: top two quarterbacks Haskins and Murray will go in the 314 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: top six before the Giants. Right, Okay, where would you 315 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: put these guys in your class based on last year's 316 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: quarterbacks class? Because value and where guys project to go 317 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: because all quarterbacks get overdrafted are totally different things. Uh. 318 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: And I really like the top three last year with Mayfield, 319 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: don or Rosen. Um, I think Haskins and Murray before 320 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: and five for me if we're just comparing the last 321 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: two classes. Um. And you know, it's hard to just 322 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: totally eliminate what we saw this year as rookies from 323 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: these guys and you know, just but but just going 324 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: off draft grades and what I thought at last year's class, 325 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: I think I would go, you know, Mayfield, Donald. I 326 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: had Donald and the Mayfield and Rose and last year 327 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: that was my top three grades. Uh, two quarterbacks, and 328 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: then think, I go Haskins and Murray. Um. And there's 329 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: a lot to like about Haskins and Murray. I've got 330 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: questions about both of them, but I think both can 331 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: be long term starters in this league and help you 332 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: win football games. And with Haskins, uh, he's got a 333 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: special arm. Uh not just velocity, but uh just accuracy, 334 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: understands where to put the football. Needs to get better 335 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: with the lower body mechanics, uh, handling pressure. But I 336 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: think for a guy that's so young and experience wise, 337 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: he got better throughout the year. The final three games 338 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: are really impressive. Uh. You know, yes, some of the 339 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: Purdue game you could put on and that that scares you, 340 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: some of the Penn State game, but again, you watched 341 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: the last three games, you saw improvement. And actually I 342 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: posted something on the Athletic today, Uh, went kind of 343 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: deeper into the stats and looked at a guy like, 344 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: look at all these quarterbacks here and how they did 345 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: verse pressure. And Dwayne Haskins was top three in terms 346 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: of comustion percentage in terms of he got better as 347 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: the season went on, and it shows in the raw stats. 348 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: One more quickie on Kyler Murray. When you take a 349 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: look at him, is it the refinement of a passer 350 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: that that worries you getting past that first read? Was 351 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: watching him? He had such good protection, right, he rarely 352 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: faced pressure. I can't I can't remember how many times 353 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: I saw him just sit back there and look and 354 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: look and look. But other times after that first predetermined throw, 355 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: wasn't there he got back out of there. If not 356 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: do that, I just didn't see that that many of 357 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: those like five steps or three steps, look, second option, 358 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: go intermediate pass in traffic over the middle, which is 359 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: kind of what you have to do in the NFL, Right, 360 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: And that's the type of stuff that I think NFL 361 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: evaluators have to figure out. Is that just because of 362 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: how they use them? Oklaholm or or is it because 363 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: he can't see it over the middle or why he's 364 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: not doing it? Yeah? He you're absolutely right. I mean 365 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: watching his tape, there were times where, forget two or 366 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: three seconds, he had five, six, seven seconds to throw 367 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: the football. He's just sitting back there waiting for somebody 368 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: to get open. And I was surprised at how he 369 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: has pocket instincts, like he's looking down field while he's 370 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: also feeling the rush. But the Big Twelve, I don't 371 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: think it challenged him, you know, And like that's why 372 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: A big reason why I thought Alabama, besides the Oklahoma 373 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: defense just not you know, just letting that team down. 374 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: But I thought that's why Alabama, you know, just rolled 375 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: through him in the Orange Bowl, is the Big Twelve 376 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: did not challenge Kyler Murray for what Alabama threw at him. 377 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: And Murray didn't know what to do with that pressure 378 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: Alabama the middle of that game. And he adjusted as 379 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: as the game went on, and you know, he he 380 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: played better in the second half. And so I give 381 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: him credit for that, But how will he do when 382 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: you face you have sixteen Alabama's on your schedule in 383 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: the NFL, uh, you know, And that's it's just a 384 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: different dynamic. And so I understand why people are high 385 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: on Kyler Murray. Completely understand any's dynamic athlete. There's a 386 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: lot there to be uh, you know, a lot of optimism. 387 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: The big thing for Kyler Murray this week, as much 388 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: as we can get hung up on the measurements and 389 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: all that. The big thing is gonna be the interviews, 390 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: sitting down with him, putting on the white board, understanding, okay, 391 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: where is he mentally in terms of reading coverages, uh, 392 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: understanding protections, going through progressions, just understanding. It's such a 393 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: mental position and an intangible position. So the interview process 394 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: is going to be paramount for Kyler Murray more so 395 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: than anything. So it's great of his numbers were and 396 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: compared to Baker Mayfield. May feel to me was a 397 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: much more advanced throw of the football. He was, He wasn't, 398 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: but I will say I was. I was impressed how 399 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: accurate Kyler Murray is. He's naturally accurate, and he's just 400 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: and he's got a strong he's running out there. He 401 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: looks like a mini Mahomes. Absolutely, he changes his arm 402 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: angles you can throw off platform. Just has those instincts, 403 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, get the question all the time, like instincts. 404 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: What's that mean? Next time someone asked me, I just 405 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: tell him watch watching Pat Mahomes watching Kyler Murray. They 406 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: just have that instinct to him where they can use 407 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: that athleticism user all their gifts in unison to make 408 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: plays downfield. All right. I know we're we're kind of 409 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: running out of time on the segment, but I gotta 410 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: ask you which quarterback has the best opportunity to enhance 411 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: his stock at the combine. That's a good question. Uh, 412 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to say one of these top 413 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: guys because they're already one of the top guys. But 414 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 1: I think Dwayne Haskins is a chance to kind of 415 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: quiet some of the doubters because he's gonna throw here, 416 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: and I think what he's gonna do in the interviews, 417 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: which unfortunately we won't have access to, I think he's 418 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: gonna show that even though he has fourteen starts, even though, uh, 419 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't have the experience of some of 420 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: these guys, you know, coming from Urban Meyer's offense, which 421 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: isn't known for an offense producing NFL quarterbacks, I think 422 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: he's really going to impress with what he has between 423 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: the years in terms of what he understands, uh, reading 424 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: coverages and doing everything. I think the mental capacity of 425 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins is going to impress. We're gonna talk about 426 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: his arm plenty with when he throws on Saturday, but 427 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: I think what he does in the interview process and 428 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: what he does above the neck that's gonna press more 429 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: than anything else. Final one from me. Second round. Let's 430 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: say the Giants want to target an offensive tackle on 431 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: the defensive end, they want to walk out with two 432 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: good players at those two positions. If you're balancing value 433 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: first round, where's value second round? Where do you think 434 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna find value in that second round? The defensive 435 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: end or an offensive tackle or or all the premium 436 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: guys that you think you can start day one? Are 437 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: they gonna be gone? Yeah? That no, that's that's a 438 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: good question. And I honestly the my my cheat answer 439 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: is you take the better player in round one, and 440 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: you worry about and you hope, yeah, exactly right, give 441 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: me the better player at six, whether that's the tackle 442 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: or the defensive end, right exactly, and so you know 443 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: you can't try to predict what's gonna be there in 444 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: the second round. That that would be my answer. But 445 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: at the same time, I think that the past rushers, 446 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: there's more pass rushers in this group then there are tackles, 447 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: and everybody is looking for both these positions, but I 448 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: think more so for tackle. I don't see the tackle 449 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: positions stretching into the early second round, where Jalen Ferguson 450 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: from Louisiana tack who unfortunately is not here or won't 451 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,239 Speaker 1: be working out. Uh, you know, I could see him 452 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: being there in the early second round. Uh. You know, 453 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: there's I think the past rusher group there's a better 454 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: chance that's stches into the second round more so than 455 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: the tackles. Do you think the best shot of the 456 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: tackles is Little getting there in round two out of 457 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: the including like guys like Andre Dill be there. Yeah. Probably, um, 458 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: but even even Little, I think there's a good chance. Again, 459 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: these thirty two teams need more offensive tackle help, you know, 460 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: and so I think that we're not going to see 461 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: him fall that far, but I think he would have 462 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: the best chance. Yeah, let me just clarify that though. 463 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: I think. I think when you talk about the tackles, 464 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: a lot of people immediately say, okay, for first round value, 465 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: you have to be a left tackle. See, the Giants 466 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: already have a very expensive left tackle. They're not moving 467 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: out of there. The right tackle is more of their need. 468 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: You could probably, I would think, because there's much less 469 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: left of a premium on a right tackle. Get one 470 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: in round two? Could you not that's fair? And I 471 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: think a guy like Caleb McGarry from Washington, who wouldn't, 472 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: I think he'd make sense if it's medicals, okay, right 473 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: exactly has a hard issue and I think he's gonna 474 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: test really well here athletically. He's gonna be a guy 475 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: that creates a little bit of buzz um. But you know, 476 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: he had a good Senior Bowl week. He has a 477 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: good tape. So I think CAYLEB McGary that I think 478 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: that fits that conversation. Who played right tackle in college? 479 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: Even when Trey Adams got hurt their left tackle, he 480 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: stayed at right tackle, So that would uh. And if 481 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: you're if you go pass rusher in the first and 482 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: the tackles get wiped out, I think that'd be a 483 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: tackle you look at in the second round. Kyle McGary 484 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: from Washington, find one real quick depth a linebacker, safety, cornerback, 485 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: middle rounds, even early day three, can you find a 486 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: player at one of those spots? I think so. Yeah, 487 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 1: linebacker is and it's not a great group. If we're 488 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: gonna list the positions in terms of the strongest and weakest, 489 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: I think linebackers probably at the bottom. But Gilani Tova 490 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: from WHI one of my personal favorites. He'll be a 491 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: borderline top one hundred guy. When it's all said and done, 492 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: corners you can find, you know, these big long corners, 493 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna go early, and then some of the other 494 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: corners that might get passed up they'll be around. So yeah, 495 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: I think that each one of those positions you can 496 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: earmark some guys middle rounds or third, fourth, fifth round 497 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: will be available. Dane. Awesome stuff, man. When's your draft 498 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: guide hitting the shelves. It'll be in April, and so 499 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: it'll be uh, it might be it might be special 500 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: for athletic users. We'll see, but so get your subscription 501 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: and a lot of good in for it there. Well, 502 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: good stuff, Dane. We'll talk to you Soonjoy the rest 503 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: of the combine. That's Dane Burgler. We'll be back with more. 504 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: We'll take your calls at two one four, five one 505 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: three on Big Bloe Kickoff Live. When we return, We're 506 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: back here on Big Blue Kickoff Live, presented by cores Light, 507 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: John Shlok pauled to Tino. We have some time to 508 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: take your calls if you want to get in and 509 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: give us a ring at two A one nine three 510 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: nine four five one three, which I do some rapid 511 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: fire here, folks, get some questions in, we'll get you in, 512 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: we'll move on. We'll get to as many calls as 513 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: you can. Well, if Kim Jones NFL Net, we're joining 514 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: us in just a little bit. So that's the deal. 515 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: Get on the line again to one four five one three. 516 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: Of course it's all presented by cores Light. Download the 517 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: corps Light Rewards app to an amazing Giants prizes. Paul, 518 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: your takeaway from Dane first and foremost, Well, you know 519 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: we've been saying all along what the giants primary needs are, 520 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: and they're they're not a secret. Okay, The question becomes 521 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: do they feel like they have the quarterback of the 522 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: future stirring them in the face. But aside from that, 523 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: we all know what the needs are. They've Hilman has 524 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: said how many times defense, defense, defense, and he loves 525 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: hog Molly's so we know pretty much what what the 526 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: want list is. Still, it just seems to me, and 527 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: and maybe you interpret it differently, that the Giants want 528 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: list kind of jives with what's available in this draft. 529 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: I think it's a very good year to not only 530 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: want defensive front seven, but it's it's a good year 531 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: to want a right tackle. Maybe not a left tackle 532 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: because then maybe only three first rounders maybe, but a 533 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: right tackle. You heard him say it, and McGarry's one 534 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: of the guys on my radar for sure. If his 535 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: medical goes well, there's gonna be a right tackle there 536 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: in the second round, much like well Hernandez wound up 537 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: being available at left guard in the second round last 538 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: which we didn't think he was going to be. By her. Yeah, 539 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: it seems to line up. This is one of the 540 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: better tackle classes I think we've seen in a while. 541 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: Defensive last couple years, you're struggling to find a guy 542 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: that was worthy of a top fifteen pick um, But 543 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: this year you're gonna have multiple I think probably as 544 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: many as four or five offensive tackles taken in the 545 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: first round, and then maybe one of those guys slides 546 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: there that they don't, then maybe you can wait a 547 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: little bit longer for a right tackle. And I think 548 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: the other thing too, a pass rusher. Paul. You have 549 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: your choice of different types of players and it kind 550 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: of depends what you're looking for, and that will give 551 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: you a lot of different options. Yeah, there's no doubt 552 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: you're looking at apples and oranges and pairs and cucumbers. 553 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: I mean, every variety that you want. It depends on 554 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: your system and what's your preferences for certain guy's style 555 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: of play and his particular toolbox. I think the interesting 556 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: part that we mentioned about the tackles John, much like 557 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: last year when we said that Hernandez dropped out of 558 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: the first round, why because five quarterbacks went in round one. 559 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: Now there are some people who think four quarterbacks could 560 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: go in round one this year. It may wind up 561 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: being the same domino effect that helps the Giants out 562 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: to get another offensive lineman in back to back seasons. 563 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: All right, gonna take some calls. Let's go, Let's go 564 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: to four or five on three when a lead off 565 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: with Jose in Florida on Big Blue Kick Off Live. Jose, 566 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: what's going on, Buddy? What's your question? Kay? John and Paul, 567 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: how you guys doing. Hi? We're good, Jose, what's up? Okay? 568 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: Real quick? Last time, I don't know if you remember, 569 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: I called John. I said that the first thing the 570 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: Giants theater was defensive. Nobody was afraid of the Giant 571 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: compelling your argument of what the guy from the UH 572 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: forgot the name of them. But anyway, my question is 573 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: the athletic right. Um, If the Giants has the opportunity 574 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: and for some reason Dwayne Haskins sell to them, I 575 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: don't see a problem with them thinking Dwayne Haskins, He's 576 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: gonna surprise a lot of people, even you, Paulie. But 577 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: if not, I'll definitely agree with maybe a defensive player 578 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: and I'll take my question offline. See what you guys 579 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: think about it. Thank you, thanks for the call. I 580 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: think I need to reiterate something that's very important here 581 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: and for all you folks out on Twitter land and webland, 582 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: listen up. This is a big deal. The asterisk. Big deal. 583 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: The asterisk from me, well, because I get a lot 584 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: of Twitter hate from these quarterback people who just are 585 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: salivating for a quarterback. Okay, here's the deal, folks. If 586 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman is all in on a quarterback who he 587 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: one has conviction he's the next franchise guy and he 588 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: takes him at six. I tipped my cat to Dave 589 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: Getleman because he knows a heck of a lot more 590 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: about football than I do, and so good luck and 591 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: God bless and I hope it works out. So I 592 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: will not will not question Dave Gettleman if he says, 593 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: you know what, this is the guy just like your 594 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: course he felt about Eli Manning. Now you're asking me 595 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: for my preference based on my logic and my likes. 596 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm not taking a quarterback in the first round. But again, understand, 597 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: if Gettleman does, I'm all in on him. This guy 598 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: has been doing it a long time. He's gone a 599 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: seven Super Bowls, folks, He's won three of them. And 600 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: the thing about Haskins, there are a lot of questions 601 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: of the Murray with size, stature and then and that 602 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: sort of thing. I think with Haskins, do you have 603 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: a much better feel for exactly the type of NFL 604 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: quarterback he's going to become. I'm with Dane. I don't 605 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,479 Speaker 1: think he's as good as the top three guys from 606 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: last year. That's just my opinion. Um, But I can 607 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: see where fans would get excited about him. He's sixth three, 608 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: he's got a big arm um. He was very productive. 609 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: He played in a system at Ohio State where I 610 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: think it translates fairly well. He made through intermediate throws, 611 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: which you have to do in the in the NFL. 612 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: But there are things that he has to work on 613 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: in order to get better. And I think the one 614 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: thing Dave Gentleman and Pat Tremer said yesterday is that 615 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: the good thing about if you do go quarterback here 616 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: is that you don't have to play him right away. 617 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: You can do what the Chiefs did with Pat mahomes 618 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: and at the Strength and they called it the Alex 619 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: Smith method right the Kansas the Kansas City Plan, right 620 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: where you can basically let this guy groom behind them 621 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: and figure things out mentally before you put him out 622 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: there on the field. I don't I don't think there's 623 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: any doubt that that's the preference of what they've expressed. 624 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: I also want to just make one point here, folks. 625 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: We talked yesterday about Pat Shermer and Dave Gettleman who 626 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: addressed the media here at the combine, and I thought 627 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: that Dy've Gettleman said something that was very very specific 628 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: and interesting. When he was asked about the quarterbacks, he said, 629 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: it's a nice looking group. When he was asked about 630 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: the big guys up front, he said, it's a really 631 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,959 Speaker 1: strong draft for the Hog Molly's Hoggs. He called him. 632 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: I didn't call him hog Mollies to call him Hoggs 633 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: really strong compared to nice looking. That says to me 634 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: he believes there's a lot more value at the trenches 635 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: then there is at quarterback. That's pure logic talking, folks. 636 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: And if there is, you can bet it won't be 637 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: a quarterback at six. If that is to be perceived 638 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: as a hint, And of course it's it's gonna impact 639 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: too what they decided to do in the draft based 640 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: on free agency. Well, free agency is certainly a component. 641 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: We've discussed that before. I mean, you have a lot 642 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: of different options here in free agency. There are some 643 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: classes that are better than others, like defensive end is 644 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: is a very strong free agent class for example, well 645 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: sized tags and I will love Joe Corey, former NFL agent, 646 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: come on and talk about that later on in the show. 647 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: But you know that'll do that'll determine what you kind 648 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: of feel im you know, compelled to do in the draft. 649 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: And Dave Gettleman has always been very clear, I'm not 650 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: gonna pick a guy that's not the best player. I'm 651 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: not gonna reach for need. He doesn't like to do 652 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: those sorts of things. But what happens that for agency 653 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: naturally will impact what happens on draft day. Yeah. Look, 654 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: there's no question it is a two part deal. I 655 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: just want to read one thing to you and speaking 656 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: about logic, you know, I'm a historian. I'm a big 657 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 1: old school guy. Since the merger in nineteen seventy, when 658 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: the a f L and NFL combined to become the 659 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: a f C NFC, there have been five quarterbacks taken 660 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: with the number six overall pick, Richard Todd by the 661 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: Jets and seventy six rich Campbell by Green Bay and 662 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,959 Speaker 1: eighty one Kelly Staffer by the Rams in eight seven, 663 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: David Klingler by Cincinnati in ninety two, and Trent Dilford 664 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: by Tampa Bay in nineteen. What do all of them 665 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: have in common? Bust with a big beat. Uh. The 666 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: quarterback position. When you fail and fail that high is 667 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,239 Speaker 1: very costly and very painful. Between those guys, one pro 668 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: ball between them, dilfor Dilfer and Todd each went to 669 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: two playoff seasons. The rest of the guys zero. That 670 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: is a very unimpressive list. And that goes back quarterbacks 671 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: taken at number six since nineteen seventy. That's a pretty 672 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: strong piece of historical evidence. Now, that doesn't mean that 673 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: the guy who's taken this year has to be burdened 674 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: with the tag of history. It doesn't mean that, okay, 675 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: But when you talk about old school people like Dave Gentleman, 676 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: who believes a lot in history and understands the core 677 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: beliefs of what he he's gone through and how many 678 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: decades of pro football, those things are gonna cross your mind. 679 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: They absolutely will. The one I think it goes to 680 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: the point that Dane made when he spoke to him too, 681 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: is that generally speaking, the great quarterbas go top five, 682 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: top three, and once you get out of that top 683 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: three and guys start leaking later onto that first round, 684 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: your success rate drops, especially when you drop into the second, third, 685 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: fourth round, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. I mean, there's a reason 686 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: the elite guys go as high as they go. They 687 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: don't get by a lot of teams. And the funny 688 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: part is we've talked about the bust rate before first round. 689 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: Quarterback bus rates are are definitely very, very very high 690 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: because they tend to get overdrafted. But if you hit 691 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: you could have, you could have a great guy. All right, 692 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll be joined by Kim 693 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: Jones on NFL Network and just a moment right here 694 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: on Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Corps Light at 695 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. We'll be right back. We'll 696 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: back here on Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Coors 697 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: Light at the NFL Combine, Indianapolis. John Schmelk palled to 698 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: Tina with you, and now we're joined by one of 699 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: the friends of the pro Iman. That's Kim Jones in 700 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: the NFL. Now we're Kim. Great to have you here. 701 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: I want hello. It's great to be here. I love 702 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: the combine, I know. And you've been working the floor 703 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: like a mad woman over the past couple of days. 704 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: It was it's hard to track you down. You're always 705 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: working so hard. Give me a couple of general feelings 706 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: you're getting about the draft class this year. Just listening 707 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: to all the hand coaches and gms that you've seen 708 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: speaking to podium about hundred yards or so down the field. Yeah, 709 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: really strong D line group, UM and really front seven. 710 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: Some people are less enthusiastic about UM. The linebackers. But 711 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: a lot of gms I'm talking to coaches are putting 712 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: the whole front seven in the group, which that's good. 713 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: You need a lot of those players, and you know 714 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: you need We've seen them in big spots in this 715 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: league lately and forever so and the Giants know that. 716 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: So certainly with the D line, you can make a splash. 717 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: You can get an instant impact, whether you're at three 718 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: like the Jets are, the six, where the Giants are, 719 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: anywhere in between, and even past that. That's gonna be 720 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,479 Speaker 1: interesting to see who goes off the board when scheme 721 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: will come into play there, um and so well, exactly 722 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: what these players do, because they've got some really explosive, 723 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: really big men that will see on Sunday. We know 724 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. So he's grabbed the headlines and the media 725 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: is having a feast talking about Murray's height. They're talking 726 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: about the fact that he's not gonna throw, but Haskins will. 727 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: Are the NFL execs that much intrigued or is this 728 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: more of the figment of the media's imagination, Because the 729 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: NFL exects pretty much know what those guys are. I 730 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: think they're incredibly intrigued by Murray. I don't think the 731 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: height bothers them. The one thing I did talk to 732 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: someone about, and I thought it was a smart observation, 733 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: was that with the more disciplined rush in the NFL 734 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: compared to college, are they going to cause our our 735 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: defenses in the NFL going to cause Murray more issues? 736 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: I think you only had five batted passes. Um there. 737 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a six three quarterback in college football 738 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: who had more than five batted pass and he's also 739 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: playing in the Big twelve camp where the defense isn't 740 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: exactly as being great. And I understand, I do understand that, right, 741 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: But they're going to be more disciplined in the NFL. 742 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: They're going to be in his sightline, and they're gonna understand, 743 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: you know, get your hands up. Um, you know you 744 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: want to get your hands up with Eli Manning, let 745 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: alone with a guy who's what six inches shorter than Eli? 746 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: Five five inches shorter than Eli. So, um, I do 747 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of intrigue about him. There's some 748 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: belief Arizona is going to take him first. Overall, they'll 749 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: have to move Rosen, of course, but um, there is 750 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: that belief Um Haskins. I think people have respect for 751 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,959 Speaker 1: his game, his footwork, his arm. He's played one season, though, 752 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: I think you're hearing from people that's probably enough. It's 753 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: not like he played four games. He played a season. 754 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 1: Interesting thing we heard Mike Mayock, I believe, just talked 755 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: yesterday about how he believes that Derek Carr is a 756 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback and maybe that would eliminate the Raiders from 757 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: possibly taking one of these kids because they've been attached 758 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: to those guys. It could, although with Gruden and Mayock, 759 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure that Gruden talked today and 760 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: mentioned the idea, Yeah he's our franchise quarterback, you know, 761 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure how much they're going to give away, 762 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, on that on that level. And I also 763 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: think one thing that that we outsiderer so to speak, 764 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: believe is that these NFL people have this all figured out. 765 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: The truth is the NFL people, a lot of them 766 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,479 Speaker 1: come to the combine beginning to figure them out. Now, 767 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: do you have area scouts? Do you have national scouts 768 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: who know these guys you know up and down? Of 769 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: course you do. Do you have gms who are more 770 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: in tune? Right, now with what they might do in 771 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: the first round if they get their choice. Of course 772 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: there are but coaches in particular are just getting enough 773 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: to speed on these guys. And I think even for 774 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: an office, people would admit to you, um, at least 775 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 1: off the record, that they very much are still getting 776 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: to know this um. Listen. I've had people also say 777 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: to me that they're not convinced the last that last 778 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: year's group of quarterbacks is what we saw them to be. 779 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: You know, they're not They're not sold on that group. 780 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: They're not sure. I had someone say to me, I'm 781 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: not sure Josh Allen is not going to be the 782 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: best of that group, and he didn't have the best 783 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: rookie season of them all. We know that, so you know, 784 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 1: with quarterbacks it does take time. We don't ever allow 785 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: for that anymore. So we judgment and we decide right 786 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: now what we think of them now. You also cover 787 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: the Jets round off network too, and it sure sounded 788 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: like they put a big four sale sign on their 789 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: third pick in the draft. What's your feel for the 790 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: movement that might happen about the Giants at six? Right? 791 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: And why not? You know, if you're the Jets you've 792 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: got a quarterback, you think someone might want to go 793 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: up and get a quarterback. Um. If I were the Jets, though, 794 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: I would be leery about giving away a absolute gem 795 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: of a defensive player at three, which if Josh Allen's 796 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: there and you go you uh bypass him, it might 797 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: be at your own peril. I mean, he he is 798 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: a freak. He is someone I've heard great, great things 799 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: about as a person as well. Uh And I've heard 800 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: more uh talent evaluators this year talk about the person 801 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: they're drafting, not just the player. I find that stuff interesting. 802 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: Quinn and Williams obviously could still be there at three, 803 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: could be jo Joey Bosa probably off the board by three. 804 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: We think right now, as things stand, I would be 805 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: careful about just getting quantity over quality. To this point, 806 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: what is the most surprising thing you've heard this last 807 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: couple of days. I think the enthusiasm about Kyler Murray 808 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: because I thought, you know, you know the NFL, Paul, 809 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: you do to John. You know, it's a it's a 810 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: group that believes what it believes, and it takes a 811 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: long time to change those beliefs. He his height is 812 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: just a shade over five ten. I'm five eight and 813 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: a half. I won't have heels on on Saturday. I 814 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: am interested to at least stand next to it. You know, 815 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: I do know. I believe his measurement five ten and 816 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: a shade a tenth over you know, two seven six 817 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: pounds or seven pounds. So he gained quite a bit 818 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 1: of weight recently. Yeah, and that's I mean, that's really slight. 819 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: So um that maybe a reason he's not going to 820 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: do drills. Just put on a bunch of weight to 821 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: impress on the weight, wait for right, wait for the 822 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: pro day to do everything else. But be interesting to 823 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: see if he sticks to not throwing. He is a 824 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 1: competitive kid. We know that. So you don't think that's 825 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: written in Ian wrap Ian Rapp report. My colleague NFL 826 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: Network said there's a chance that the competitive juices kick 827 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: in and he throws. Now, something tells me that won't 828 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: be in the moment. That would be more planned because 829 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: you're not just in the moment. But we'll see how 830 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: that develops. A couple of things more about him, and 831 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to make the whole segment about him, 832 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 1: but I think he's certainly very interesting. Ay, I read 833 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: something I think it was in the last two days 834 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: about there's some concerns about his dad being like LaVar 835 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: Ball's dad, where he's a little bit mouthy and teams 836 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: don't like distractions. Is that something you're hearing people not 837 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: at all? And then the other question is how many 838 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: football people, front office people are not necessarily convinced he's 839 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,720 Speaker 1: all in on football despite his announcement. Well, and they 840 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: that's why the interviews with him here are crucial. So 841 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: let's say he ends up doing nothing on the field Saturday, nothing, Well, 842 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: he will have already done interviews that are vitally important 843 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: to those teams that are going to have a chance 844 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 1: to draft him. So uh and listen, if Arizona sold guys, 845 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: he doesn't need to convince anyone else. I mean, let's 846 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: let's be honest. If Kingsbury really does believe that was 847 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 1: some gamesmanship, you know, from Texas Tech to Oklahoma when 848 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: he talked about him when both were still in college. 849 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: If Kingsbury really is sold on him, he doesn't need 850 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: to impress many people. He just needs to convince one 851 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: that he's all in on football. But that is something 852 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: that teams I thought. John Gruden made the interesting point 853 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: today because you know, he was with the Oakland A's. 854 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: They're obviously still the Oakland Raiders, and he did say, 855 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing Bruden, but he said along the lines of, 856 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: we've got to be sensitive to the A's are in 857 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: our town. Also he turned them down. We got to 858 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: make sure he's in on football, or they would want 859 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: to make sure he's in on foball. What was your 860 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: take on the Cardinals hedging their bets on Josh Rosen 861 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: slightly yesterday. Yeah, I mean I didn't hear a lot 862 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 1: of that specifically, but they've got to be something for now. Yeah. Um, listen, 863 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: we know when a coach comes in and he hasn't 864 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: picked that quarterback or a new regime. Now, Steve kind 865 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: was there, correct, but Bruce Arians is also a very 866 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: strong head coach, and then they had the year with 867 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: Steve Wilkes, so they've had some change there, a lot 868 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 1: of change that recently, you know, in terms of personnel 869 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: and probably preferences. My guess is Bruce Arians would win 870 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: a different quarterback than Cliff Kingsburg, you think, for example, Yeah, so, um, yeah, 871 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: I do think that Arizona around the league is viewed 872 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: as a team setting itself up to very possibly take 873 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 1: Murray one. You know, last year you were the first 874 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: person to come out and say the Giants should grab 875 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: se Kwon Barkley. So I want to give you credit 876 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: for that publicly now in case nobody saw you say it. 877 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,399 Speaker 1: I'm telling you I have taken credit for that many times, 878 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: I know, but you know what, I'm giving it to 879 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: you again. And and certainly he turned out to be 880 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: an all world talent. There is still the group of 881 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: naysayers that says, you can't draft a running back down high, 882 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 1: you can't draft a safety that high, you can't draft 883 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,399 Speaker 1: certain positions that high. After what the Giants did by 884 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,399 Speaker 1: breaking that mold and taking a guy who was a 885 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: difference maker and an Ald War player, do you think 886 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: there's less of a phobia in this year's draft about 887 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 1: positions and values, about oh, we can't take this guy 888 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: because he plays that. Maybe. I mean, there'll be some 889 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: teams that still believe in that. I mean, you look 890 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: at what the Jets said. They took a safety instead 891 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: of Patrick Mahomes, but they're in love with Sam donald 892 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: so and no one reminds them about the Mahomes thing. 893 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: No one brings it up. You know there are other teams. 894 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: Believe me, I know of teams they're kicking them No, no, 895 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: I understand that, but kicking themselves about not taking Patrick Mahomes. 896 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: It's now, you know, this growing list of teams that 897 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 1: is saying we did like him, we didn't have the guts, 898 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, to pull the to pull the deal off 899 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: to go get him. So, uh, you're you're always going 900 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 1: to hear that. You know. I had a head coach 901 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: stopped me in the hallway. Well he didn't really stop me. 902 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: We stopped to chat. But one of the things he 903 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: said to me was how great was that pick of 904 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: Sake one for the Giants? Like he just volunteered because 905 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: I didn't start talk about Sake one. So, um, I 906 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: think around the league gets viewed as a very smart pick. 907 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: I understand fans are saying, well, what are we gonna 908 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: do it a quarterback long term? But um, I think 909 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: you're always going to have teams willing to break the mold. 910 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: I guess that's how I would long windedly answer your question, Paul, 911 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: I think you're always going to have a team like 912 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: you can't tell me that like a less need. Um 913 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: John Dorsey isn't going to take the guy he wants 914 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: if he happens to be a safety. If he happens 915 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: to be, you know, obviously an offensive lineman. Quintin Nelson 916 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: went high last year and that was not a disappointment. 917 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: Now there's not a Quintin Nelson in this draft, by 918 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 1: the way, so don't get your hopes up on that. 919 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: But um, I think we've seen it and there are 920 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: GMS who will do it. Not every GM, but there 921 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 1: certainly are. Can final question, we'll get more to the 922 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 1: Johnts with Dan Dalgan from the Athletic in a moment. 923 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 1: You're big takeaway from listening to Pat Shermer and Dave 924 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 1: Gentleman when they addressed the media yesterday. Yeah, I think, 925 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: uh the idea that allies their guy uh Pat more 926 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 1: strongly than Dave. Um My senses I could end up 927 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,879 Speaker 1: being wrong on this, Um, so far I haven't been. 928 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:07,240 Speaker 1: I think they've become exhausted by the O'Dell trade stuff, um, 929 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: because it just won't go away. Could they eventually make 930 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: a deal because it makes sense and because it's overwhelming? 931 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: I suppose I don't see that happening again. At some point, 932 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: I could end up being wrong on that one, but 933 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people have been wrong on it already 934 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem to matter, you know. So I 935 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: think that there's some fatigue there, and in my opinion, 936 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: none of that's O'Dell's fault. No, not his fault that 937 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: people keep bringing this, people keep saying his name to 938 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 1: get their name out there and then meet people in 939 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: the media do that all the time, and it's shameful. 940 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: But people bring his name up because they know what 941 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: they say about him is going to get attention. It's shameful. 942 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: I don't care if they're right. I thought that was interesting. 943 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: It did not surprise me that Shermer said essentially like 944 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: that was portrayed with more drama than there ever was. Um, 945 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: I don't Pat Sherman's not a big drama guy, you know. 946 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: And I also think that Dave and Pat certainly have 947 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: been around long enough to understand plays get frustrated, agents 948 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: get frustrated. They want the deal yesterday, and then the 949 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,800 Speaker 1: deal will happen on everyone's terms, not on the player 950 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: in his agent's terms. And that's the NFL. That's the NFL. 951 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: So it is yeah, no, and I understand that but 952 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, I suspect land And will still be a giant. 953 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,720 Speaker 1: I don't know that they would go to the wall 954 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: for him at this point, to be honest, but I 955 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: suspect he will still be a giant. If not, you 956 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 1: need two safeties. Everyone in the world oddly wants to 957 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: get rid of o V. So then you need everyone 958 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: to pass rush and you need to sign a bunch 959 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: of them, and you don't have enough money need to 960 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: do that. I know how that would work. And we 961 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: still need um a guy sideline to sideline because they 962 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: can't find that um and that doesn't come cheap, whether 963 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: it's a draft pick or free agent. So everyone wants 964 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,879 Speaker 1: to get rid of everyone on the Giants, and then 965 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how you're going to feel a team. 966 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: I don't know how you're gonna feel a team. Is 967 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: great to see you here in healthy, Thank you so 968 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: much and we'll catch up with you soon. All right, 969 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: Thanks Kim Jones on the NFL Network. We're right back 970 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 1: with Dan Duggan from the Athletic. We'll back here on 971 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 1: a big Blue kick Golf Live presented by cores Light 972 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: Download the Course Light a wards after to an amazing 973 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: Giants Brizes, Paul the Tino, John Schmelkin. Our next guest 974 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 1: is Dan Dugan covers the Giants for the Athletic Dad. 975 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. How are you? Yeah? Thanks you 976 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: guys doing We're doing great and joining the combine. Well, 977 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,760 Speaker 1: let's start with where we ended with Kim. Your major 978 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 1: takeaways from Coach Shermanan and Dave Gentleman yesterday. I think 979 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: my biggest takeaway was I came away thinking there's a 980 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: chance they let land in Collins Walk, and I came 981 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,439 Speaker 1: to Indianapolis thinking that wasn't a possibility. I figured out 982 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 1: the bare minimum they would tag him and then figure 983 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: it out. Dave certainly left the window. He left that 984 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: window wide open. The thing I take away from it 985 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: is not so much what he said, it's what he 986 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: didn't say. He only focused on sort of the negatives. 987 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: He didn't say anything like, hey, we can lock up 988 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: a twenty five year old defensive playmaker and have them 989 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: under contract for five years. It was it eats up 990 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: a lot of cap space if you tag him, if 991 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: you tag him he's unhappy, it becomes a distract. It 992 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 1: just seemed like he was looking at from a very 993 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: negative point. Of view, and to me, that just said 994 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: I think that's where his head is at. I'm not 995 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 1: saying it won't happen, you know, a week ago, it 996 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: could be just posture your negotiations. I just came here 997 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: not thinking that as a possibility, and that jumped out 998 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: to me. You know, that whole showery cap thing really 999 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: stuck out like a short thumb, and that conversation, and 1000 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, I get it. You know, if you tag him, 1001 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: it's a really big number. And if you don't tag him, 1002 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: you know he's probably gonna want a really big number 1003 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,280 Speaker 1: anyway right now. And it's a tough it's you're always 1004 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,320 Speaker 1: like you know, Dave said nothing. You know, in the vacuum, 1005 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: you make decisions. They impact other decisions. I guess I 1006 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: would look at it. If you let Land and Colins walk, Okay, 1007 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna get a replacement, probably not as good. Might 1008 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 1: be cheaper, but not as good. Are you overall helping 1009 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,879 Speaker 1: the team? That tag number is high, So I think 1010 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,440 Speaker 1: it would be best for all parties if they can 1011 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: come to a long term deal as a lower cap 1012 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: in your one. Obviously, we know that Kevin Abrahams can 1013 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,799 Speaker 1: work his magic, but I just I just can't see 1014 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: how you can end last season saying the defense was 1015 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: the weakness and then let one of your homegrown young 1016 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: guys who's voted a team captain. I just I can't 1017 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: see any scenario how to improves the team to let 1018 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: him walk and then consider that the other safety is 1019 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: a very thin spot too, right, So yeah, you're gonna 1020 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,839 Speaker 1: have to fill two holes, and you couldn't feel one 1021 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,399 Speaker 1: of them last year. You already head landing, and they're 1022 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: gonna to start from scraps. That that's the dicey to me. 1023 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: If they had some young guy kind of building behind him, 1024 00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: but you didn't see enough from the Shawn Chandlers of 1025 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 1: the world, uncomfortable he can step in or listen to 1026 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,240 Speaker 1: Dave gentleman, Dan, it seemed to me he just wanted 1027 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 1: to keep all his options open. He wouldn't commit anything, 1028 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: and you know he's like, maybe, maybe not, we'll start 1029 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: early in the process. And coach Shermer, I think did 1030 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,280 Speaker 1: the same thing when talking about the quarterbacks. And obviously 1031 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,760 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is a star here, that's who everybody's talking about. 1032 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,359 Speaker 1: And both guys were very clear that and you could 1033 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,400 Speaker 1: tell when Dave got him and started his press conference 1034 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: talking about instincts at the quarterback position. That's who he 1035 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 1: was talking about. You could tell that's who he was 1036 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 1: talking about. And then Pat Irwin made the point to oh, 1037 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: I can have a short quarterback, no problem, It's fine. 1038 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: I just thought a range that both guys seem to be. 1039 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: We're not going to close the door to anything at 1040 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 1: this point, right And that's the biggest thing you have 1041 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: to do this time of year. You know, you asked 1042 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: you might take away. You're always just reading the tea leaves. 1043 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,879 Speaker 1: You never take anything at face value. I mean, they'd 1044 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: be crazy to come out here and say, Okay, we're 1045 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,360 Speaker 1: only taking quarterbacks six two and up and just limiting 1046 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,279 Speaker 1: it was a top you know, five prospect in the 1047 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: people's eyes. But I would say Pat Charmer especially sounded 1048 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,920 Speaker 1: very open to the Kyler Murray more so than I 1049 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: maybe came in again expecting because he said last year 1050 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: is on record fancy quarterbacks were at tall. He seems 1051 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,759 Speaker 1: also fancy quarterbacks who lighted up like Kyla Mary did 1052 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 1: and do some of the things he can do. I mean, 1053 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,439 Speaker 1: he referenced he didn't have many passes bad down again, 1054 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking at more what guys say, what 1055 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: they don't say. He highlighted a positive he didn't have 1056 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,000 Speaker 1: many passes bad down, which again it's a minor note, 1057 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,120 Speaker 1: but it's it's it's you know, these guys aren't robots. 1058 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: They still have thoughts that they do let slip out 1059 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 1: once a while. That's what we're here to to pounce 1060 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: on and try and grab onto. And the other thing 1061 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: that I thought was interesting and nobody has I don't 1062 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: think people have brought it up much, is that Pat 1063 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,920 Speaker 1: Chummer basal was that he's watched every snap of every 1064 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: quarterback in this draft, so the top guys, right, so 1065 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: I think at the top five six guys, it's probably 1066 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,920 Speaker 1: seen Kyle Schrammer snap. I'm sure he has to exactly. 1067 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 1: So Dave Gettman basically said that quarterbacks a priority. He 1068 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,000 Speaker 1: wants to find the next franchise guy. But it doesn't 1069 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: have to be this year, but there looking hard and 1070 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,799 Speaker 1: they know they're going to have to do something there 1071 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 1: in the next one too. At most probably three seasons, 1072 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,319 Speaker 1: right of course, unless the bomb drops, like Dave said, 1073 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: and then none of this matters. But no, uh, And 1074 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 1: the thing I think that he said that was really 1075 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,400 Speaker 1: interesting again because I think, you know, fans got to 1076 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: see him at the podium. You know, we got to 1077 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: sit with him for a half an hour afterward, and 1078 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,920 Speaker 1: he was a little bit more minutes and it was 1079 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 1: it was great, and it was a little bit more open. 1080 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,400 Speaker 1: You kind of could follow up a little bit more 1081 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 1: in questions. And I thought one of the interesting things 1082 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:09,640 Speaker 1: he was asked about, you know, do you need to 1083 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 1: get a franchise quarterback in the first round? Clearly the outliers, 1084 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 1: there's Tom Brady's, there's Russell Pison. But he said, if 1085 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 1: you look at the history, you gotta get him early. 1086 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: So I look at it this way. I don't know 1087 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: if they're taking one this year, but if they are 1088 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:20,879 Speaker 1: taking on this year, I think it's a be six. 1089 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,480 Speaker 1: It's not going to be in the second round. They're 1090 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: not gonna do the fourth round thing. And I think 1091 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of all in at six or then you 1092 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: you're looking at it next year. I don't see them 1093 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 1: kind of doing the half in, half out thing, but 1094 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,239 Speaker 1: we'll take a shot at a mid round flyer. I 1095 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,279 Speaker 1: think it's six, or you know, revisit it next year. 1096 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: The other thing I thought that Dave Gettleman was very 1097 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,560 Speaker 1: clear about when he was asked. I think it might 1098 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 1: have been Art he might have asked the question about 1099 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,879 Speaker 1: the culture of the locker room. Now he basically came 1100 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 1: into this giant organization. Did Gettleman with a two part plan. 1101 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,359 Speaker 1: One was to clean up the locker room and get 1102 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,360 Speaker 1: the environment that he wanted, and then number two was 1103 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 1: to make sure you build up the talent as much 1104 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,160 Speaker 1: as you can. But then when he was asked by 1105 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 1: by Art, well, do you think he got the culture 1106 00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,799 Speaker 1: thing out of the way, And He's like, no, no, you' 1107 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 1: think about that. And I thought that was very interesting too, 1108 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,080 Speaker 1: because that means as they were evaluating these guys, that 1109 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: personality profile is still going to be a very big 1110 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,520 Speaker 1: component as to where they put those guys on the board. 1111 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: And I think this is a g ray to show us. 1112 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,239 Speaker 1: We don't get into all the terminology use but there's 1113 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 1: a whole quote clean enough, We're not going there and listen. 1114 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there are certain guys where you have to 1115 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,880 Speaker 1: take on a little more risk of the talent justifies it. 1116 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,720 Speaker 1: But I think, you know, all things equal, he's always 1117 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,040 Speaker 1: gonna want to get a character guy in here over 1118 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,040 Speaker 1: a guy who has a higher quotient of the uh 1119 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,279 Speaker 1: of that trait um. But yeah, and it's like, you know, 1120 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: he built the culture he wanted. You still gotta get 1121 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: talent though, too, so you can take some risks. You 1122 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 1: have to have the leaders in there, the Nate soldiers 1123 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,479 Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is, and you have enough of those guys 1124 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,800 Speaker 1: you can maybe within one or two. But he's not 1125 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: gonna say, Okay, we got the culture. Now, let's just 1126 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, take red flag guys left and right and 1127 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,360 Speaker 1: hope it works out. He's not gonna go backwards on 1128 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,160 Speaker 1: that front. I mean, that's the thing you know he 1129 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,840 Speaker 1: can point to is probably the most progress that the 1130 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,040 Speaker 1: character of the team definitely improved, maybe not the results 1131 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: as much as they wanted. And Dave spoke about how 1132 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,960 Speaker 1: the cap situation isn't quite as advantageous of some people 1133 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,400 Speaker 1: might think. How do you think that Giants are going 1134 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,799 Speaker 1: to treat free agency this year? Are we looking at 1135 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 1: a big splash or a bunch of small pieces to 1136 00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,200 Speaker 1: shore up position so you're not desperate when you get 1137 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: the draft time. I mean, that was a really interesting comment, actually, 1138 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,480 Speaker 1: like they kind of I haven't even really touched on 1139 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 1: anything I'm written yet because you're covering Eli and everything 1140 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: like that. But he wants to go into the season 1141 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,479 Speaker 1: with eight to ten million dollars in rainy day money 1142 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 1: and and you might not ever spend that. That's fine. 1143 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 1: People also have to keep in mind carry you over 1144 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,960 Speaker 1: cap space two. And that's why some of the contracts 1145 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 1: he gave up last year I thought were you know, 1146 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,160 Speaker 1: Jonathan Steward, however, was bad contracts because okay, you lost 1147 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,360 Speaker 1: the three million and eighteen, you also can't carry that 1148 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen. So if you have eight to ten 1149 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,840 Speaker 1: million sitting there in your rainy day fund and no 1150 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,560 Speaker 1: one gets hurt and you don't have to spend it, well, 1151 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,640 Speaker 1: then you just carry it over your more space next year. 1152 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,279 Speaker 1: But it does cut into they don't have thirty million 1153 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: to spend, they have twenty million right off the top. 1154 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 1: He's eliminating that. Then you don't have to factor in 1155 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 1: the draft pool. And you have to say money for 1156 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 1: incentives too. It's not just signing guys. You guys get 1157 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 1: incentives paid off and that's part of that eight. So 1158 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think we're seeing a Nate Soldier 1159 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 1: type signing. I think that, you know, maybe it's like 1160 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,440 Speaker 1: one swing at a sword or higher to him. You know, 1161 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what guys are gonna come in, like 1162 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,760 Speaker 1: the Darryl Williams. I think a lot of people have signaled, 1163 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, he might be the bigger free agent. I 1164 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: don't know what his price, DAG will end up being 1165 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 1: done enough homework on that yet this week is kind 1166 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 1: of four um. But no, I don't think they're gonna 1167 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 1: be huge players and free I don't think they can 1168 00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,600 Speaker 1: afford to, especially when he's you know, not handicapping them, 1169 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,400 Speaker 1: but he's he's putting a limit. It's not thirty million's 1170 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,440 Speaker 1: really twenty million. And then that's where the landing thing 1171 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,880 Speaker 1: factors in. So I just don't see a way that 1172 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 1: they're gonna go out and spend big bucks in free agent. 1173 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 1: I don't think they can good feeling, and I know 1174 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,160 Speaker 1: it's premature, so we're not gonna hold you to this, 1175 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,239 Speaker 1: but we know the Giants need to add pieces in 1176 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,359 Speaker 1: the draft but free agency as well, and they don't 1177 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 1: have a ton of money to do it. So, in 1178 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,360 Speaker 1: your opinion, what position do you think they're more likely 1179 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,520 Speaker 1: to go free agent? Addition, as opposed to draft. That's 1180 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,080 Speaker 1: a good question. I think I would think they probably 1181 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 1: have to strub that right tackle spot. That's why I said, 1182 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 1: Darryl Williams, if there's a if there's a veteran offensive 1183 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 1: linement that they feel comfortable, who could you know, maybe 1184 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: not at Nate Soldiers level, but you know, bi a 1185 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 1: guy step sinx. I think that was a week spot 1186 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,080 Speaker 1: last year. I mean obviously tried with hours. You know Wheeler, 1187 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,759 Speaker 1: you know, he got it out, but I don't think 1188 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 1: he's an NFL starting right tackle for a quality offensive line. 1189 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,839 Speaker 1: So I think that's the spot if they can get 1190 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,920 Speaker 1: a guy for the right price. But you know, if 1191 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,360 Speaker 1: they can't find a guy there, then they can certainly 1192 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,600 Speaker 1: just flip the other side and maybe finding those secondarier 1193 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,359 Speaker 1: pass rushers or you know, the secondary still as whole. 1194 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 1: I mean, there's plenty of places to to try and 1195 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,239 Speaker 1: fear where the money is gonna go. And and that's 1196 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,239 Speaker 1: why Dave gets paid the big bucks because it's not 1197 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,879 Speaker 1: always just this one hole. They fix that and they're 1198 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,840 Speaker 1: on their way. I mean, there's they're gonna have. Everything's 1199 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 1: going to work in concert. The free agency had Like 1200 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,320 Speaker 1: he said, freeing has to set up your draft, so 1201 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:29,960 Speaker 1: we obviously have a lot better idea what their draft 1202 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 1: needs are gonna be after free agency. But going to 1203 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,799 Speaker 1: free adings, you have to attack your your biggest holes 1204 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,719 Speaker 1: first because you no guarantees that you know, you little 1205 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: film in the draft. What's the spot on this team 1206 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,600 Speaker 1: that you think they need to get some improvement at 1207 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,759 Speaker 1: that you don't think enough people are talking about. That's 1208 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:47,719 Speaker 1: a good question. Um, I think, oh man, there's a 1209 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 1: lot of Yeah. I think cornerback really, because I think 1210 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,640 Speaker 1: that there's sort of a feeling, like, you know, I 1211 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,160 Speaker 1: think Jenkins is gonna be back. I don't think they 1212 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,160 Speaker 1: can afford to get rid of him, cap issues, anything. 1213 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a number one cornless league, a little consistent, 1214 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: but here at him, I think we drop off there. 1215 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: I mean, b W Webs stepped in last year. He's 1216 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 1: a free agent. Grant Haley did some nice things. Bell's 1217 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,680 Speaker 1: gonna start now, small small samples. The cornerback vision is 1218 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,480 Speaker 1: very unproven. If you could get a guy like Jason mccordy, 1219 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,680 Speaker 1: even for short money, a veteran guy, just to give 1220 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,759 Speaker 1: a little stability there, something like that, I could see 1221 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,839 Speaker 1: that being a spot that maybe they I wouldn't feel 1222 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,040 Speaker 1: comfortable the depth chart as it is now with Sam 1223 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,080 Speaker 1: Bill complete unknown, Grant Haley small sample side and saying, oh, 1224 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,960 Speaker 1: that's our our cornerbacks. I think that's a spot that's 1225 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 1: maybe getting overlooked because it's not the biggest pressing needs, 1226 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,080 Speaker 1: but it's something they need to address. At least they 1227 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,200 Speaker 1: don't need a kick. He got that one. That one 1228 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,759 Speaker 1: locked up pretty good, right there, Dan, good stuff. Then 1229 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,920 Speaker 1: we appreciate the time I can appreciate on the athletic 1230 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,160 Speaker 1: good chet, Go and subscribe. Be back with Joe Corey, 1231 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 1: former NFL agent, breaking down the Giants for agent class 1232 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,719 Speaker 1: and salary cap when we return on Big Blue Kickoff Live. 1233 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,400 Speaker 1: We'll back here on a Big Blue Kickoff I presented 1234 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 1: by Course right download the course like Wars app to 1235 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,239 Speaker 1: an amazing Giants prizes. John Schmel called Detino and our 1236 00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,200 Speaker 1: cavalcade of guests continues were joined Joel Corey, former ENFL 1237 00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,279 Speaker 1: agent now for CBS Sports. Joe, how are you about? Ay? 1238 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good. How you guys doing? It's good 1239 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,080 Speaker 1: to see. It's always and we actually had a chance 1240 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 1: to talk to Dave Getleman yesterday, and he went into 1241 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,320 Speaker 1: great detail about the giant salary cap situation in Landon College. 1242 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,640 Speaker 1: If that was interesting from a bird's eye view, how 1243 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,040 Speaker 1: do you view the Giants financial situation? This offsets well. 1244 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,280 Speaker 1: The first piece of the puzzle, which seems to be decided, 1245 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,160 Speaker 1: is they're keeping Eli Manning. So if you're going to 1246 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,680 Speaker 1: go with Eli this year, that means you must kick 1247 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 1: up a rookie quarterback with the number six pick, or 1248 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,879 Speaker 1: move up if there's someone who's going to potentially jump 1249 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,400 Speaker 1: in front of you and take the guy that you 1250 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,840 Speaker 1: would want. But I think this is Eli Manning being 1251 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,520 Speaker 1: what Alex Smith was to Patrick Mahomes. It'll be his 1252 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,239 Speaker 1: farewell song, his contracted spars after this season, So you 1253 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 1: keep him it is high twenty three point two million 1254 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,400 Speaker 1: cap number and seventeen million dollars salary, and then call 1255 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,400 Speaker 1: it a day with him. That would be the Kansas 1256 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,320 Speaker 1: City plan that Gettleman had referred to yesterday what he 1257 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,680 Speaker 1: was having his conversation with the media. Let me ask 1258 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,520 Speaker 1: you this, though, Joel. Let's assume we know that we 1259 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,279 Speaker 1: know that Eli is almost assuredly going to be the 1260 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,120 Speaker 1: guy in two thousand nineteen, short of taking a flat 1261 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: out reduction and pay Uh. Do you believe there are 1262 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,520 Speaker 1: palatable mechanisms to lower his cap number, whether it be 1263 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:21,480 Speaker 1: changing bonus, moneys and incentives, doing an extension deal. I mean, 1264 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,000 Speaker 1: you could always do those things, but as Gelman says, 1265 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,800 Speaker 1: that's kicking the can down the road, and that's a 1266 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,360 Speaker 1: dangerous thing to do. Is there a palatable mechanism to 1267 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,960 Speaker 1: help his number? Yeah, the powerable mechanism would be his 1268 00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,800 Speaker 1: five million dollar roster bonus. Do I think third or 1269 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,320 Speaker 1: fifth day of the league year he's willing to forego 1270 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,560 Speaker 1: that and take a pay cut five million dollars. Turned 1271 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,279 Speaker 1: that into incentives like his brother did his final year 1272 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,640 Speaker 1: in Denver, except you couldn't make it bit predicated on 1273 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,719 Speaker 1: team success like Peyton's we're getting to the super Bowl, 1274 00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,800 Speaker 1: win and super Bowl because that's not happening for the Giants. 1275 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,080 Speaker 1: But short of that, I don't think you do anything 1276 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,719 Speaker 1: because why are you going to take money converted into 1277 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,480 Speaker 1: signing bonus, add fake votable years where you can stretch 1278 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,400 Speaker 1: out the pro ration for five years, then you have 1279 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,200 Speaker 1: a residual cap charge in And why I kicked the 1280 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,200 Speaker 1: can down the road. If you can afford to eat 1281 00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,200 Speaker 1: the whole cap number this year, then it's just clean 1282 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,200 Speaker 1: and he's off the books next year. Now, one thing 1283 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,440 Speaker 1: Dave Gentelman said to his yesterday that was interesting. He 1284 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,120 Speaker 1: likes to carry anywhere from eight to ten million dollars 1285 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,439 Speaker 1: into a season to use to pay for incentives things 1286 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,080 Speaker 1: like that that come up later add veteran fragrance during 1287 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,680 Speaker 1: the year. Is that standard protocol for NFL teams? How 1288 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,480 Speaker 1: much money do teams like to carry in terms of 1289 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,480 Speaker 1: cap space into the regular season to handle things like that. 1290 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,680 Speaker 1: It varies from team to team. That was a little high. 1291 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,240 Speaker 1: Acts when I heard when I saw the eight to ten, 1292 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,560 Speaker 1: I was like, I thought, the same thing. That's about 1293 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,880 Speaker 1: three to four million, a little higher than some two 1294 00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 1: five to six. Five or six is really what you 1295 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,560 Speaker 1: see most teams do. Some teams like the Rams were 1296 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,680 Speaker 1: cutting it razor thin this year, where some teams also 1297 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,160 Speaker 1: the Patriots ended up with Stefan Gilmour during the middle 1298 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,040 Speaker 1: of the year converting um salary and designing bonus to 1299 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,280 Speaker 1: create more cap rooms. So and the Giants did that 1300 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,480 Speaker 1: last year with you. Norris Jenkins, right, there's more than 1301 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,640 Speaker 1: one way to skin a cat, but am ideally you 1302 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,040 Speaker 1: go in five six million. What you'll see right around 1303 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,920 Speaker 1: roster cut down time is if a team is very 1304 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,560 Speaker 1: close to the cap, you may see a couple of 1305 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,760 Speaker 1: restructures right before the beginning of the regular season. Just 1306 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,560 Speaker 1: for that purpose, let me ask you a cb A question, 1307 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 1: not necessarily as much camp related, with the c b 1308 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 1: A ending after two thousand twenty. I I saw a 1309 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,080 Speaker 1: story that said there's a built in deal where teams 1310 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,560 Speaker 1: are gonna be allowed to tag a franchise guy and 1311 00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,080 Speaker 1: a transition guy in two thousand twenty. They're not going 1312 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:46,040 Speaker 1: to have that uncapped year like when the last CBA expired. 1313 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,240 Speaker 1: How much does that play into what teams are going 1314 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,040 Speaker 1: to do now in free agency, the kind of offers 1315 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna make, duration mechanisms, et cetera. It plays more 1316 00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,560 Speaker 1: into contract extensions because a team like Kansas City, knowing 1317 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,480 Speaker 1: that they want to extend Tyreek Hill and Chris Jones 1318 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,000 Speaker 1: had a breakout year, they don't have the urgency to 1319 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,600 Speaker 1: get at least one done because in other an any 1320 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,960 Speaker 1: other year, you have to get one done because the 1321 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,720 Speaker 1: other one becomes automatically an unrestricted free agent. Now you 1322 00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:21,280 Speaker 1: have the luxury of restricting both the same thing in Seattle. 1323 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,040 Speaker 1: Frank Clark probably getting a franchise tag this year, Russell 1324 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,439 Speaker 1: Wilson contract year, So obviously Russell Wilson gets the franchise tag, 1325 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,880 Speaker 1: which you could stick a transition tag on Frank Clark 1326 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,480 Speaker 1: or Bobby Wagner in so it gives you more flexibility 1327 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,120 Speaker 1: from that standpoint. How would you break down the Landon 1328 00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:42,720 Speaker 1: Collins potential UH franchise tag with what he would get 1329 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,840 Speaker 1: as an unrestricted free agent, what it would take to 1330 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,000 Speaker 1: sign him a long time? Just what's your overall take 1331 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,080 Speaker 1: on on how that's gonna play out in what it's 1332 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,120 Speaker 1: gonna take to to bring him back. Well, the last 1333 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:52,800 Speaker 1: thing you wanted to be last year was a safety 1334 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,920 Speaker 1: because safeties didn't get paid. Um. The caliber of safety 1335 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,520 Speaker 1: available this year is much different because you've got the 1336 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,720 Speaker 1: Earl Thomas's, the Landing collins Is of the world out there, 1337 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,880 Speaker 1: so ha ha, Clinton Dicks who didn't really play well 1338 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,640 Speaker 1: after the trade from Green Bay to UH Washington, but 1339 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,480 Speaker 1: different caliber player. And you've seen Eric read this year 1340 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Automatic already signed for slightly over seven million per year, 1341 01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:19,320 Speaker 1: so much different safety market. Collins is probably thinking high 1342 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,400 Speaker 1: end top of the safety market. Over ten million per year, 1343 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,560 Speaker 1: the franchise tag is going to be in the eleven 1344 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,800 Speaker 1: to eleven three range. So if you stick the franchise 1345 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,040 Speaker 1: tag on him and he seems like he doesn't want it, 1346 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,960 Speaker 1: that you're automatically setting that as where negotiations are going 1347 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,280 Speaker 1: to begin. Because any agent who is competent or savvy 1348 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,160 Speaker 1: is going to take the average of two franchise tags 1349 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,120 Speaker 1: and use that as a baseline for the average for 1350 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,000 Speaker 1: for the mark of a long term deal. Interesting, so 1351 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,760 Speaker 1: they basically if they what the Asian will do is 1352 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,120 Speaker 1: they'll look at if they tag them too consecutive years, 1353 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,080 Speaker 1: take the average of those two and negative aim for 1354 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,920 Speaker 1: that as their per year average. But you've got an 1355 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:05,440 Speaker 1: interesting dynamic because Dave Gettlman is the only general manager 1356 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,600 Speaker 1: in recent memory to resend a Francis. Yeah, he did 1357 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,720 Speaker 1: that with Josh Norman in two thousand and sixteen, So 1358 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,439 Speaker 1: that wouldn't put it past him to put it tag 1359 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,880 Speaker 1: on Landing Collins doesn't like where things are at and 1360 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,040 Speaker 1: then pull it. That's the fact that there are so 1361 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,080 Speaker 1: many safeties available in the fridging market make him more 1362 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,440 Speaker 1: likely or be okay to play in the franchise tags. 1363 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,440 Speaker 1: A lot of times you get a lot of guys 1364 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,959 Speaker 1: in the same position. You know, the value sometimes dross 1365 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,520 Speaker 1: because demand isn't gonna be as high. You know what 1366 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:34,560 Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, do you simple economics exply the man? Yeah, 1367 01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,040 Speaker 1: that could factor into it. He could be thinking that, well, 1368 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,040 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily need to franchise him, because there's enough 1369 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,480 Speaker 1: safeties out there that if some team wants to go 1370 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,560 Speaker 1: out and do something that we're not willing to do 1371 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,640 Speaker 1: for landing, we can find an adequate replacement. When you 1372 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,320 Speaker 1: look at the Giants roster and how much money they have, 1373 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,920 Speaker 1: most people seem to think they're not gonna necessarily make 1374 01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,800 Speaker 1: one big splash. They might sign some secondary level guys 1375 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,680 Speaker 1: kind of fill in some parts with medium price salaries. 1376 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,760 Speaker 1: Do you see it the same way, Well, they make 1377 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,160 Speaker 1: a splash last year which had uh mixed success in 1378 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:13,040 Speaker 1: Nate solder Um, I would not be surprised if they 1379 01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,040 Speaker 1: tried to address the offensive line in a meaningful way. 1380 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,200 Speaker 1: And I always when it was an agent, I would 1381 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:24,120 Speaker 1: ask players, who do you have a relationship with elsewhere? 1382 01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,800 Speaker 1: That's positive from a front officer coaching standpoint. The one 1383 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 1: guy offensive line that screams out potential Giant Darryl Williams, 1384 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,000 Speaker 1: who was hurt this year two thousand seventeen, the right 1385 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,520 Speaker 1: tackle for the Panthers um had a Pro Bowl caliber year, 1386 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if he is a Giant. And then 1387 01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,400 Speaker 1: since that knee injury though, which right now seems to 1388 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,520 Speaker 1: make him a little sketchy. Uh. I don't really think 1389 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,080 Speaker 1: injuries hamper someone in free agency the way they used to. 1390 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 1: From what I've seen the past couple of years. Allen 1391 01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,400 Speaker 1: Robinson tears his a c L he gets fourteen million 1392 01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:04,160 Speaker 1: a year from Chicago, Matt Kalil plays two games in 1393 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,600 Speaker 1: UM his contract year, signs for eleven million per year 1394 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,440 Speaker 1: with Carolina, And who was GM who took that risky? 1395 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,240 Speaker 1: And but so so I know a lot of fans 1396 01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,160 Speaker 1: think that, oh, maybe they'll get darry Williams on the 1397 01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:17,960 Speaker 1: cheap here he's coming off an injury. You know, you 1398 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:22,240 Speaker 1: get him under macmarket value for offensive tackles, you that's 1399 01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,120 Speaker 1: gonna happen. I don't think it's gonna affect Or Thomas either, 1400 01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,080 Speaker 1: even though second broken leg, because he was playing at 1401 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,560 Speaker 1: a defensive Player of the Year caliber level before he 1402 01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,200 Speaker 1: got hurt. Even though he's almost thirty, you still think 1403 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,080 Speaker 1: he's gonna get top of the market. YEA, Well, I 1404 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,680 Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be a long term deal like 1405 01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,040 Speaker 1: five years, but maybe over three years someone does it. 1406 01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,400 Speaker 1: And the contracts aren't guaranteed anyway, so you really can 1407 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,080 Speaker 1: count on the first two or three years when you 1408 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:50,200 Speaker 1: sign an NFL contract. There seems to be a widespread 1409 01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,680 Speaker 1: opinion on Olivia Burnan, who has a large number. But 1410 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,160 Speaker 1: some people say, you know what, maybe the production doesn't 1411 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,080 Speaker 1: warrant it. Other people say, hey, he's the Giant's best 1412 01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,360 Speaker 1: pass rusher. If they get rid of him now they're 1413 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,200 Speaker 1: desperate for even more pass rushing ability. Where do you stand, Well, 1414 01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,200 Speaker 1: if you had Jason Pierre Paul, I think that would 1415 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,680 Speaker 1: give you more flexibility of Olivier Vernon, but you traded 1416 01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,640 Speaker 1: him last year to Tampa um Burning when he was 1417 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,840 Speaker 1: healthy last year wasn't bad. Second half of the year 1418 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,760 Speaker 1: he played well. But why do you want to create 1419 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,360 Speaker 1: another hole when you've when you've already gotten rid of 1420 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,040 Speaker 1: part of the past for us last year. I know 1421 01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,040 Speaker 1: it's a very deep year for pass rushers in the draft, 1422 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,760 Speaker 1: so you may be able to find someone in the 1423 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,480 Speaker 1: second round that other years as a first round is 1424 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,240 Speaker 1: a first round guy. But I think maybe you just 1425 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,320 Speaker 1: ride it out one more year and then you dressing 1426 01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,440 Speaker 1: if he's not what he doesn't live up to his 1427 01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,560 Speaker 1: a contract. I know you mentioned Darry Williams. I want 1428 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,200 Speaker 1: to jump back to the offensive tackles from him. What 1429 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,840 Speaker 1: do you think about the right tackle free agent classes? 1430 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,400 Speaker 1: Obviously left tackle? I still think even though the NFL 1431 01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,960 Speaker 1: is starting to see that, the tackles are more similar 1432 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,280 Speaker 1: than they are different. Now, how do you see the 1433 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,960 Speaker 1: right tackle class? Is there a lot of options? Are 1434 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,320 Speaker 1: there only a few guys you think that you can 1435 01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,400 Speaker 1: plug and play start? What what's your take on that class? 1436 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,560 Speaker 1: You typically don't have offensive lineman hit the open market 1437 01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,800 Speaker 1: because most teams want to lock them up. Um. Bobby 1438 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,240 Speaker 1: Massey was an example. He resigned for eight million a years, 1439 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,800 Speaker 1: so I think that's kind of the baseline. UM. But 1440 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,800 Speaker 1: the interesting one to me, UM Trent Brown, he can 1441 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,040 Speaker 1: play left hand right, had a better postseason than regular 1442 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,600 Speaker 1: season in New England. I don't think they franchise, and 1443 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,520 Speaker 1: I think someone breaks the bank for him and may 1444 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,760 Speaker 1: be disappointed. You're right that there really shouldn't be a 1445 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,560 Speaker 1: difference between right and left tackle because edge the good 1446 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,880 Speaker 1: edge rushers, sometimes they're on the right side more often 1447 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,040 Speaker 1: than not. Now because he used to be your left tackle, 1448 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,920 Speaker 1: you're blindside guy. Um, that's where they exclusively were and 1449 01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,960 Speaker 1: you were paying the guy for that type protection. I 1450 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,520 Speaker 1: don't think it's caught up from a contractual standpoint that 1451 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,880 Speaker 1: still you pay a premium for the left tackle. Maybe 1452 01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,880 Speaker 1: five years from now that'll be different. But if you 1453 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,800 Speaker 1: hit not if you have a good offensive line, when 1454 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,840 Speaker 1: hits the open market, he's typically gonna be paid, whether 1455 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 1: it's interior or outside. I think if you look at centers, 1456 01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,280 Speaker 1: Matt Paradis, even though he was injured this year, had 1457 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,600 Speaker 1: missed a game before this year, he's probably gonna be 1458 01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,200 Speaker 1: a highest paid center when it's all said and done. 1459 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,800 Speaker 1: Two authentsive tackles on the talking specifically that that you 1460 01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,200 Speaker 1: didn't mention because you're young. I think they're both coming 1461 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,880 Speaker 1: off their first contracts. They were both high draft picks, 1462 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 1: but maybe the performers not where you want to be. 1463 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,840 Speaker 1: Donovan Smith from Tampa Bay, he's probably gonna franchise. I 1464 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,320 Speaker 1: think he's out of the question. Okay, have a bunch 1465 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,040 Speaker 1: of one. James the other guy. He's an interesting one. 1466 01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,640 Speaker 1: Um yeah, if he's out there, he's gonna be a 1467 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,080 Speaker 1: high end. It's gonna be north to Bobby Massey if 1468 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,200 Speaker 1: he's available. Solder at range or not that it's not 1469 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,200 Speaker 1: that crazy right now. The highest paid right tackle is 1470 01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,160 Speaker 1: Lane Johnson, and that was a deal which was done 1471 01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:56,080 Speaker 1: in anticipation of him becoming a left tackle, and he's 1472 01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,960 Speaker 1: not quite there. The highest paid pure right tackle Ricky 1473 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,000 Speaker 1: Wagner at nine and a half million for a years. 1474 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,920 Speaker 1: So you're talking nine and a half verses now sixteen 1475 01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,280 Speaker 1: with Taylor Lauwan. So there's still a big Discrepant's got it, 1476 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, I got I gotta ask you something about 1477 01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,920 Speaker 1: these tags, and it kind of refers to what John's 1478 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,880 Speaker 1: talking about with prices for these right tackles, Joel, I 1479 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,760 Speaker 1: don't understand why offensive lineman get a franchise or a 1480 01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,320 Speaker 1: transition tag. And it's the same for a center, for 1481 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,760 Speaker 1: a guard, and for a tackle, where we all know, 1482 01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,600 Speaker 1: we all know that the prices should be different for 1483 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,880 Speaker 1: these positions because of how coaches and GM's value them, 1484 01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,520 Speaker 1: But yet the tag is universal up and down the line. 1485 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,280 Speaker 1: That makes no sense to me. Oh I totally agree. 1486 01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,200 Speaker 1: That was my article yesterday and CBS Sports five changes. 1487 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't see it. I apologize that that 1488 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,560 Speaker 1: was one of them. That you should differentiate between the 1489 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,480 Speaker 1: three main offensive line positions, guards, center, center, and tackle. 1490 01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,760 Speaker 1: Guards and centers love it though, don't they They don't 1491 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,480 Speaker 1: get franchise the open market because the last time you 1492 01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,040 Speaker 1: had a guard or center franchise was in two thousand 1493 01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,880 Speaker 1: and eleven. It was in Khalil and Logan Mankins, and 1494 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,320 Speaker 1: that was the year that the franchise tags were rolled 1495 01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,480 Speaker 1: back because the change in the methodology. But you're right 1496 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,680 Speaker 1: there should be a difference in. Another change I'd like 1497 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:14,080 Speaker 1: to see is why are three four outside linebackers and 1498 01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:18,320 Speaker 1: four three defensive ents given different tags when they are 1499 01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,400 Speaker 1: essentially the same thing. It should be edge rushers and 1500 01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,639 Speaker 1: interior alignment, and that way you wouldn't have de Ford 1501 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,080 Speaker 1: and Frank Clark with different franchise tags. And more and 1502 01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:32,120 Speaker 1: more players much like I remember when who was it now? 1503 01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,559 Speaker 1: The Saints tight end who wanted to jam Jimmy Graham 1504 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,680 Speaker 1: cried about I'm more of a wide receiver than a 1505 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,240 Speaker 1: tight end. He lost, he lost, But there'll be more 1506 01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,479 Speaker 1: and more players who are in that hybrid three four roll, 1507 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,040 Speaker 1: who are gonna start complaining about that? Because one thing 1508 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,519 Speaker 1: that's expected this year, Jadeveon Clowney, if he's classified as 1509 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,280 Speaker 1: a linebacker, will file a grievance to get the defensive 1510 01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,439 Speaker 1: in number because it's based on the position you played 1511 01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,080 Speaker 1: the most snaps in the prior season. So I don't 1512 01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,439 Speaker 1: know how that would shake out for him. But why 1513 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,599 Speaker 1: is he He's an edge rush he's a pass rusher. 1514 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,280 Speaker 1: Clean out. Just clean up the rule, clean up the rule. 1515 01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,880 Speaker 1: I think it's a perfect transition edge rushers. A lot 1516 01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,720 Speaker 1: of guys that could be free agents. What guys are 1517 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,559 Speaker 1: actually going to hit the free agent market, and which 1518 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,680 Speaker 1: guys are gonna get franchise. Frank Clark franchise, de Ford franchised, 1519 01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:25,479 Speaker 1: Javin Clowney franchise, DeMarcus Lawrence franchised again, could get a 1520 01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,679 Speaker 1: new deal. The Cowboys already made an offer, so they're talking. 1521 01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,360 Speaker 1: The guy who benefits from all this is Trey Flowers 1522 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,000 Speaker 1: because he won't be like him, he won't get franchise 1523 01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,760 Speaker 1: most likely, and he'll be the best young pass rusher available. 1524 01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm not a big subscriber that sacks are an indication 1525 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,880 Speaker 1: of how good a pass rush. I think it's really 1526 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,920 Speaker 1: pressure combined quarterback hits, harries and sacks. And the perfect guy, 1527 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,640 Speaker 1: by the ways, Brandon Graham, who doesn't get the big 1528 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,120 Speaker 1: sack number like Flowers. He's a really good pass rusher, 1529 01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,040 Speaker 1: but if you look at the pressure numbers, I think 1530 01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:01,280 Speaker 1: Graham Graham's over seven. He's fantastic. It gets like five sacks, 1531 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,240 Speaker 1: and Flowers was like at sixty five this year. I 1532 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,599 Speaker 1: think he tied for like twelve or thirteenth in the league. 1533 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,639 Speaker 1: And he was in the same neighborhood as other guys 1534 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,000 Speaker 1: are gonna get a franchise. So you put him on 1535 01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,400 Speaker 1: the open market knowing that you've got multiple people who 1536 01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,160 Speaker 1: have some sort of familiarity with him. His former defensive 1537 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,840 Speaker 1: coordinators are now head coaches. In Detroit needs a pass 1538 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:26,320 Speaker 1: rusher because Ziggy Ansaw can't stay healthy and Brian Flores 1539 01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,400 Speaker 1: just went to Miami. So those two teams, plus the 1540 01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:34,040 Speaker 1: Titans have John Robinson who comes from New England. If 1541 01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,760 Speaker 1: he gets two of those teams in the mix, the 1542 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,479 Speaker 1: agent can leverage those two against each other. That's how 1543 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,360 Speaker 1: you get one of those deals in free agency where 1544 01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,360 Speaker 1: people look at the numbers and scratch their heads. You 1545 01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,920 Speaker 1: just mentioned Miami and I saw I think it might 1546 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,240 Speaker 1: have been. The Sun Sentinel had a story that Robert 1547 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,120 Speaker 1: Quinn maybe on his way out with the Dolphins after 1548 01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,759 Speaker 1: one season. Now in the past, he's been a pretty 1549 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,759 Speaker 1: good pass rusher. Old though, he's been a good pass 1550 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,320 Speaker 1: rusher one year and he got paid off and he's 1551 01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,600 Speaker 1: been down lately, obvious, So I mean, you know, I 1552 01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,400 Speaker 1: think he's gonna be out there in the open market. Obviously. 1553 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,439 Speaker 1: You're also not thinking it's gonna get much money for 1554 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,640 Speaker 1: for him, No, because he's on a downward career to 1555 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,719 Speaker 1: get two directory So it may be like Mario Williams 1556 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:19,320 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, sign like that didn't work 1557 01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:23,680 Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen over two and that's that. I don't think 1558 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,160 Speaker 1: Clay Matthews demands big money. His best days are behind him. 1559 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,360 Speaker 1: He's free from Green Bay. I'd only bring him back 1560 01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:36,160 Speaker 1: on incentive based contract, which doesn't represent what good pass 1561 01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,639 Speaker 1: rushers make anymore because he doesn't get to the quarterback 1562 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,120 Speaker 1: like it used to. How about the how about the 1563 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,760 Speaker 1: free safety class. The Giants need a free safety if 1564 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,240 Speaker 1: they don't want to spend top dollar on a free 1565 01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,320 Speaker 1: safety and maybe try to get someone in that you know, 1566 01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,000 Speaker 1: middle you know, five six million a year type of area, 1567 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,720 Speaker 1: something like that. Who's available that you think it fit 1568 01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,160 Speaker 1: that bill. Maybe Trey Boston flight Caroline at one time 1569 01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:01,160 Speaker 1: goes back to the familiarity brings comfort thing. Maybe if 1570 01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,320 Speaker 1: you're going a little bit of higher in um tyrone. Matthew, 1571 01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,559 Speaker 1: he didn't get the money that he thought he would 1572 01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,240 Speaker 1: get last year, played on a one year deal for 1573 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,320 Speaker 1: seven millions. Now Matthew is interesting to me because he 1574 01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,439 Speaker 1: plays closer to the line of scrimmage. But they asked 1575 01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,040 Speaker 1: him the cover man on man a lot right, so 1576 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:16,840 Speaker 1: that that that's kind of almost like a like a 1577 01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,040 Speaker 1: hybrid role a little bit right right, He's kind of 1578 01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:23,640 Speaker 1: a jack of all trade defensive back. Interesting in that 1579 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,920 Speaker 1: last year's safety class or they didn't get a whole 1580 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,680 Speaker 1: lot of what they thought they were going to get. 1581 01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,640 Speaker 1: And this year Dix is out there too, almost is 1582 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,840 Speaker 1: out there from the Bears. You know, you've already mentioned 1583 01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,840 Speaker 1: a few of yourself, joyn and joined it from the Rams. 1584 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:41,400 Speaker 1: Although he get tagged not not twice, he won't l 1585 01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,680 Speaker 1: is out there too, I mean, so with with that 1586 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,600 Speaker 1: many guys out there. Breeds already kind of changed it 1587 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,920 Speaker 1: because he's at seven, so that it's a little different guy, 1588 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,360 Speaker 1: So that changes everything. Yeah, I was surprised he got 1589 01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,280 Speaker 1: that from Carolina. I was. I was surprised because he 1590 01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:00,360 Speaker 1: he didn't get a job until the season started. This right, Joel, 1591 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,400 Speaker 1: good stuff, my friend. We really appreciate its good to 1592 01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,880 Speaker 1: see you. Man. Always gonna very much. Joe Cory, CBS 1593 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,799 Speaker 1: Sports Form NFL Agent talking salary cap and for agency. 1594 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,880 Speaker 1: Will be back with more on Big Blue Kickoff Live 1595 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,639 Speaker 1: right after this. We're back here on a Big Blue 1596 01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,160 Speaker 1: Kickoff Live from the NFL Combine presented by Corps Light. 1597 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,920 Speaker 1: Download the Coors Light app to win Amazing Giants prizes. 1598 01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,800 Speaker 1: John Schel called to Tino. Our next guy up, Jeff Risden, 1599 01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:23,679 Speaker 1: our good buddy from Real GM. How are you, Jeff? 1600 01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,360 Speaker 1: Very good to be with you guys. All right, we've 1601 01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,080 Speaker 1: seen some measurements and stuff come down so far today 1602 01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,080 Speaker 1: and yesterday. Um, we started the show with Dame Bruger 1603 01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:32,920 Speaker 1: asking this question, so I'll start with you too. The 1604 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,240 Speaker 1: measurements that jumped out to you aside from Kyle Er 1605 01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,040 Speaker 1: Murray because you know about that one does qualify him. Yeah, 1606 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,840 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is going to get debated ad nauseam. The 1607 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,080 Speaker 1: guy that I'm really interested in, and he's a local 1608 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,439 Speaker 1: guy for me, being from I'm from the West Michigan area. 1609 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:52,800 Speaker 1: Tyree Jackson, quarterback from Buffalo. Biggest quarterback in height, hand size, weight, length, 1610 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,439 Speaker 1: whatever you want. He was the biggest guy. He's He's 1611 01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:59,719 Speaker 1: a fun prospect, middle round guy, but a very interesting player. 1612 01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:01,800 Speaker 1: Has a lot going on for him. I happen to 1613 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,559 Speaker 1: see him play in high school. I saw him throw 1614 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,160 Speaker 1: a ball seventy two yards on the fly with some 1615 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,960 Speaker 1: zip on it in high school and he's he's gained 1616 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:13,680 Speaker 1: probably thirty five pounds since then as well, just unbelievable 1617 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,840 Speaker 1: arm talent. Now he has to learn that he can't 1618 01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,840 Speaker 1: throw the fastball on every single pitch. But uh, there's 1619 01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:20,840 Speaker 1: a there's a lot to work with her, and he 1620 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,000 Speaker 1: had a he had a very productive year. And he 1621 01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:23,439 Speaker 1: had a couple of receivers that are there with him 1622 01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:25,599 Speaker 1: at Buffalo that they're gonna make the NFL as well. 1623 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,600 Speaker 1: So he's he's not without some mobility. I'll give you 1624 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,160 Speaker 1: another item that I'm interested in besides his size is 1625 01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:38,719 Speaker 1: uh and Isabella's Is it possible he might chatter? Ross 1626 01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,400 Speaker 1: is four to two, that's gonna be tough for him. 1627 01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,200 Speaker 1: He told us that the Senior Bowl he ran a 1628 01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,320 Speaker 1: four to six hand timed. He's laser time. He said, 1629 01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,120 Speaker 1: the worst time he's had was four three seven. That's 1630 01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,320 Speaker 1: the worst time he's had in his in his actual guy. 1631 01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,880 Speaker 1: I know, right, yeah, he's he can fly. If if 1632 01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:57,960 Speaker 1: you watch his game tape, you can see he's running 1633 01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,080 Speaker 1: away from from pretty darn fast guys. So I four 1634 01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,559 Speaker 1: to two is ambitious, but I'd be surprised if he's 1635 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,880 Speaker 1: not in the four two somewhere. All Right, we've done 1636 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:07,760 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that nausea and taste. We're gonna kind of 1637 01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,479 Speaker 1: move away from the quarterbacks to the time being. Maybe 1638 01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:10,920 Speaker 1: at the end will kind of circle back to him 1639 01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. How do you feel about this pass 1640 01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,599 Speaker 1: rusher class? Because I see you know the Cleveland Ferrell, 1641 01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,120 Speaker 1: the you know Jokai Polites, the Mantes Sweats. It's kind 1642 01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,200 Speaker 1: of like, Okay, who do you like better? And everyone 1643 01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:23,760 Speaker 1: kind of has them in different areas, and some people 1644 01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,600 Speaker 1: even have Josh Allen in that group. How do you 1645 01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,240 Speaker 1: see that group of pass rushers after nick Bosa at 1646 01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:29,840 Speaker 1: the top end of this train. And I think it's 1647 01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,280 Speaker 1: a diverse tire And I think you're getting what you 1648 01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,920 Speaker 1: want for your specific team. If you if you're a 1649 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:36,960 Speaker 1: three four team, you're probably gonna like Montes sweat a 1650 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,000 Speaker 1: little bit more if you're or Josh allen O. I 1651 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,240 Speaker 1: think what would be ideally suited to play three four 1652 01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,479 Speaker 1: outside linebacker? You get some of those other guys um polite. 1653 01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:46,960 Speaker 1: I think he's straight speed right off the edge of 1654 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,200 Speaker 1: the four three, burning off that left edge. That that 1655 01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,160 Speaker 1: would be a lot of fun to watch. How about 1656 01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:52,800 Speaker 1: how I just want to get one. I want to 1657 01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:54,920 Speaker 1: get in on Farrell. What do you think about him? 1658 01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:56,479 Speaker 1: Because I know he's not the most bendy guy, but 1659 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,160 Speaker 1: he's really good technically, right, you know, it's very interesting, 1660 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,560 Speaker 1: Uh he gets he gets mocked to a lot of 1661 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,360 Speaker 1: different teams and a lot of different structures. I think 1662 01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,320 Speaker 1: the big knock on him is that he's already who 1663 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,040 Speaker 1: he's going to be. There's not a lot of upside 1664 01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,160 Speaker 1: with him. But you're getting a guy who baged double 1665 01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,960 Speaker 1: digit sex on a wonderful defense, knows how to work 1666 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,400 Speaker 1: in coordination with other good talent around him. I think 1667 01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,720 Speaker 1: that's an underrated aspect of a lot of players that 1668 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,280 Speaker 1: come out of Clemson or Alabama or Georgia. You know, 1669 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,519 Speaker 1: they're used to having the pressure of playing in a 1670 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,160 Speaker 1: big game and playing with really good players around them. 1671 01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,080 Speaker 1: So I think it would be he wouldn't necessarily come 1672 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,600 Speaker 1: in thinking that he's the alpha dog and that that 1673 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,160 Speaker 1: can be a problem for some guys. How would I 1674 01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:33,680 Speaker 1: think he's writing for that? How would you rank this 1675 01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,679 Speaker 1: group compared to Bradley Chubb last year? I think Chubb 1676 01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,720 Speaker 1: is a little bit above them. Um, he was. He 1677 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,800 Speaker 1: was really good and he proved to be really good. Yeah. 1678 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,560 Speaker 1: Let me stick with the defensive front. Jeffrey Simmons, Mississippi 1679 01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,639 Speaker 1: State defensive tackle has the A C L. But he's 1680 01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,120 Speaker 1: also got the personality profile that doesn't exactly wow a 1681 01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:57,840 Speaker 1: lot of people. Uh your thoughts on how much he 1682 01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,960 Speaker 1: will drop or help him sell in his pro day 1683 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,280 Speaker 1: once he gets talking to these proteins, you know, I 1684 01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,200 Speaker 1: think being able to show that he has not been 1685 01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,120 Speaker 1: in trouble since he got that one incident in Mississippi State, 1686 01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,760 Speaker 1: I think that's gonna help him a lot. Um. I've 1687 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,360 Speaker 1: watched the Cleveland Brown Sign Kareem Hunt, who was caught 1688 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,120 Speaker 1: on video um doing something probably very similar to what 1689 01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:24,080 Speaker 1: Simmons was was was busted for. It's interesting. I've I'm 1690 01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,240 Speaker 1: fascinated because it seems like some teams will have a 1691 01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:27,760 Speaker 1: lot of interest in other teams will be like, no, 1692 01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,519 Speaker 1: we we just can't do this sort of dealer's choice 1693 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,040 Speaker 1: on whether the GM is comfortable taking that. It's a 1694 01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,439 Speaker 1: pr hit no matter what you do. But but it 1695 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,760 Speaker 1: can also be a positive and and you know John 1696 01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,560 Speaker 1: Dorsey with the Browns has has tried to spin it 1697 01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,439 Speaker 1: this way. And this is a chance for us to 1698 01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,880 Speaker 1: prove that we can be a redemptive force. We're giving 1699 01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,760 Speaker 1: him another chance to prove that he's a good person. 1700 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,560 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of people who believe that. 1701 01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,200 Speaker 1: And Jeffrey Simmons, he's kept his nose clean ever since 1702 01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,320 Speaker 1: that one problem. It's a good angle to approach if 1703 01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:54,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna try to try and take him. He's a 1704 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,200 Speaker 1: very good player. I still think he's a first round talent. 1705 01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:58,880 Speaker 1: But if you're not gonna happen for your first year, 1706 01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,880 Speaker 1: that's that's a tough pill us. We'll see. That's what 1707 01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,760 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you let's say it was clean 1708 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,240 Speaker 1: across the board. He did not have that issue, and 1709 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,680 Speaker 1: he did not have the knee injury. Where would he 1710 01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,839 Speaker 1: beat you? From top ten? Right? Uh? Top top fifteen 1711 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,880 Speaker 1: for sure? Yeah, it could have been top ten. Absolutely. 1712 01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,960 Speaker 1: He's very talented guy and and he's a little bit 1713 01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,240 Speaker 1: unique in this class and that he's a bigger guy. Um, 1714 01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,960 Speaker 1: the other guys you know, at Oliver, Rashaan Garry, they're smaller. 1715 01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,800 Speaker 1: He's a bigger boy on the inside that can really 1716 01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,800 Speaker 1: get up, get up and disrupt from the inside, which 1717 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,439 Speaker 1: is what so many teams want. Yeah, we had Dane 1718 01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,640 Speaker 1: talk about Rashaan Garry a lot, but I think at 1719 01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,160 Speaker 1: Olives is similar, right, because you're drafting based on his trains, 1720 01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,599 Speaker 1: You're not drafting it based on his production and something. 1721 01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,880 Speaker 1: He might come in at to seventy five or he 1722 01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,920 Speaker 1: played at to seventy five, but he's a three technique. 1723 01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,560 Speaker 1: But did Aaron Donald break that mold? So how do 1724 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,800 Speaker 1: you think teams are viewing at Oliver, who I think 1725 01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,759 Speaker 1: is probably gonna be one of the more divisive guys 1726 01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,519 Speaker 1: in that top fifteen, And I think it's gonna be 1727 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,040 Speaker 1: that way for teams too. I think some teams are 1728 01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,640 Speaker 1: going to be very attracted by what he can offer. Um, 1729 01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,720 Speaker 1: can you move him around a formation? You know he 1730 01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,000 Speaker 1: can play inside, he can he move outside if you're 1731 01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,760 Speaker 1: gonna go to us heavier package, that type of thing. 1732 01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,439 Speaker 1: That's very intriguing. The fact that he missed some of 1733 01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,800 Speaker 1: last year I think hurts him. He was hurt. Um. 1734 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,840 Speaker 1: That's always gonna bring up questions too. He's a smaller 1735 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,040 Speaker 1: guy playing inside. Is he is gonna be you know, 1736 01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:14,519 Speaker 1: durable enough to handle this? Uh? I love the guy. 1737 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,160 Speaker 1: I think he's got phenomenal traits, but again, he's not 1738 01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,800 Speaker 1: He's a He's an anomaly, and you have to find 1739 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,040 Speaker 1: where that anomaly fits. Is your team comfortable with a 1740 01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:25,920 Speaker 1: guy who might you know, he might get washed out 1741 01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,559 Speaker 1: in the run game. Are you okay with him getting 1742 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, eight and a half sacks as a rookie, 1743 01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,559 Speaker 1: but being a liability in the run defense? That that's 1744 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,519 Speaker 1: kind of up to your coach. I want to stick 1745 01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,479 Speaker 1: with the the injured guys who we really kind of 1746 01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,240 Speaker 1: like but because of injury, don't know where they're gonna fall. 1747 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:43,320 Speaker 1: John Taylor, the offensive tackle. Uh. I think so many 1748 01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,800 Speaker 1: people think he could potentially have been maybe the one 1749 01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,800 Speaker 1: or two best tackles in this draft. But because of 1750 01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,240 Speaker 1: the injury, now, what do you do? Yeah, that's that's 1751 01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,800 Speaker 1: a tough one because he was a guy that that Yeah, 1752 01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,639 Speaker 1: and you are drafting him based on athletic potential because 1753 01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,280 Speaker 1: at Florida he was not He was not worthy of 1754 01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,439 Speaker 1: a first round pick. Quite honestly, his tape isn't there, 1755 01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,720 Speaker 1: but you see why he could be. His trades are 1756 01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,639 Speaker 1: phenomenal and he did show growth in development towards being 1757 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,720 Speaker 1: that guy who could be a franchise left tackle. Where 1758 01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:14,679 Speaker 1: do you take him if he's if he's gonna miss 1759 01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:18,080 Speaker 1: your summer program, that's I think that holds him out 1760 01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:19,479 Speaker 1: of the top ten. But he's still a first round 1761 01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,280 Speaker 1: pick for me. Yeah, it's only a hamstring. I mean, 1762 01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:23,160 Speaker 1: there's any reason he shouldn't be back by, you know, 1763 01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,280 Speaker 1: at least part of the spring. Although they always tell 1764 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,479 Speaker 1: you those rookies when they missed that first couple of months, 1765 01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,160 Speaker 1: it's very painful to catch you up. It really is. Um. 1766 01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:32,920 Speaker 1: You'll see it with a guy like cal Van noy 1767 01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:34,840 Speaker 1: Um who's now with the Patriots. Back when he was 1768 01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,599 Speaker 1: with Detroit, he had a sports hernia that cost him 1769 01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,400 Speaker 1: his frookie his rookie training camp, and it really put 1770 01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,240 Speaker 1: him behind the eight ball and it took him a 1771 01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,519 Speaker 1: few years to get over that. How about Cody Ford. 1772 01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,439 Speaker 1: He's a guy that you know, he's a big boy. 1773 01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,719 Speaker 1: He is, but he can move to and right tackle. 1774 01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,000 Speaker 1: And I think he's a really interesting guy where if 1775 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,600 Speaker 1: you're he's not a left tackle, I think we know that, 1776 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,960 Speaker 1: right but if you need a right tackle that will 1777 01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:56,200 Speaker 1: help you in the run. In the past game, he 1778 01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:57,920 Speaker 1: only seems like a guy that can be a plug 1779 01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,639 Speaker 1: and play, go right in and you're not gonna miss 1780 01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,760 Speaker 1: a beat. Yeah. And the fact that he's following Orlando Brown, 1781 01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:04,840 Speaker 1: who was very successful in making the transition from the 1782 01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,120 Speaker 1: Oklahoma scheme to the NFL. I think that helps him 1783 01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,800 Speaker 1: out a little bit. He's so powerful at what he does. 1784 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,959 Speaker 1: I have a little bit of a concern about his footwork, 1785 01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:14,920 Speaker 1: but there's a lot to like with him. And and 1786 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:16,880 Speaker 1: like you said, he's plugging play. He's ready to go 1787 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,639 Speaker 1: right away, and right tackle is becoming more and more important. 1788 01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,040 Speaker 1: You're seeing the salaries go up for every year. Hum, 1789 01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:23,840 Speaker 1: he's a good one to tell you. Dalton Reisner from 1790 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:25,720 Speaker 1: Kansas State is another one, another guy that you can 1791 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,200 Speaker 1: start right away your first he's your instant starter at 1792 01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,040 Speaker 1: right tackle, and you get him in the late first 1793 01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,120 Speaker 1: for Giants purposes. If he's there in the second round, 1794 01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,439 Speaker 1: my goodness, that's very appealing at Yeah, yeah, that'd be great, 1795 01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,280 Speaker 1: like well Hernandez was last year exactly. Yeah, that would 1796 01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,439 Speaker 1: up being a very good one. You know, we were 1797 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,920 Speaker 1: talking this time last year about how Orlando Brown came 1798 01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,240 Speaker 1: in and absolutely fell flat on his face, not literally 1799 01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,720 Speaker 1: but figuratively at the combot He actually almost fell flat 1800 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:56,880 Speaker 1: clear but didn't quite do it, And and there were 1801 01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,919 Speaker 1: folks who were saying, well, my goodness, he can't possibly 1802 01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,439 Speaker 1: be a high round pick. He's gonna have to be 1803 01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,080 Speaker 1: maybe even as bad as a third day pick. Oh 1804 01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,960 Speaker 1: my goodness. And what happens. He gets into the NFL 1805 01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,240 Speaker 1: and he holds up. He played pretty darn well, didn't he. 1806 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,519 Speaker 1: So so what does that say to GMS in terms 1807 01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,640 Speaker 1: of be careful what you think about when you leave Indianapolis? 1808 01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,320 Speaker 1: You know, I think it there's a lot of media 1809 01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,800 Speaker 1: overkill on this, and we're obviously part of it. You know, 1810 01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,639 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. I think there 1811 01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,040 Speaker 1: needs to be some moderation in the reaction. For we're 1812 01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,480 Speaker 1: very much a break next society. We want to overreact 1813 01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,080 Speaker 1: to everything, and I think we do have to have 1814 01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of moderation and how we handle those things. 1815 01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,800 Speaker 1: He had a lot of really impressive game tape. He 1816 01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,120 Speaker 1: has the pedigree, you know, his father Brown Rest in 1817 01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:44,240 Speaker 1: Peace was was a wonderful tackle. And I think he 1818 01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,439 Speaker 1: actually went on a Twitter's tirade this week that talked 1819 01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,559 Speaker 1: about how that about how he knew how to use 1820 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,240 Speaker 1: his body and how to use his athletic limitations to 1821 01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,080 Speaker 1: his advantage. And I think that's something that's underrated the 1822 01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,479 Speaker 1: players who know themselves and know their own game. I 1823 01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,640 Speaker 1: think that's a very underrated trade. And that's something that 1824 01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:01,400 Speaker 1: I think you're seeing more and more of the teams 1825 01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,920 Speaker 1: asking the players when they're doing their interviews. Here, you know, Okay, 1826 01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna point something out about you. Are you comfortable 1827 01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,040 Speaker 1: you know doing this? Um? Are you aware that you 1828 01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,400 Speaker 1: have this flaw? How do you handle that? I think 1829 01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,080 Speaker 1: guys who answered that, and Orlando Brown certainly did uh. 1830 01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:16,880 Speaker 1: I think that's a big plus for them. Well, rightly 1831 01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,639 Speaker 1: or wrongly, guys, stock will improve or drop this week 1832 01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,800 Speaker 1: based on what they do and the on field Joe's 1833 01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,200 Speaker 1: which start on Friday, the old line go, then then 1834 01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,160 Speaker 1: you can say the skill positions on Saturday. That's why 1835 01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna be nationally televised, so everybody can see what's 1836 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,000 Speaker 1: going on with these guys. First time ever, it's gonna 1837 01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:32,960 Speaker 1: be on ABC this year. Who are some of the 1838 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,559 Speaker 1: guys you want to see that either either have something 1839 01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:39,280 Speaker 1: to prove for you with the athletic testing or you're 1840 01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,200 Speaker 1: a little concerned, you know, I want to see some 1841 01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,840 Speaker 1: of these big whiteouts run, Guys like Hakim Butler, DK 1842 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,400 Speaker 1: Metcalf obviously, who came into nine pounds, which was like 1843 01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,720 Speaker 1: a little bit lighter than than expected. It still, I 1844 01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,560 Speaker 1: mean you've you've you've all seen the pictures with the 1845 01:23:54,600 --> 01:24:00,400 Speaker 1: shirt all solid. Ye give it, take a cup of pounds, 1846 01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,680 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Yeah, he's not having Macerellistics for dinner now 1847 01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:06,519 Speaker 1: if he runs And and we had Joe Marino on 1848 01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,600 Speaker 1: yesterday from the Draft Network and he told us that 1849 01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,680 Speaker 1: if he runs well straight wise could be a top 1850 01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,479 Speaker 1: ten selection. Where does he need to run to put 1851 01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,640 Speaker 1: himself into that first skill position off the board? Uh? 1852 01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,839 Speaker 1: Category likeness, had six ft four and twenty nine pounds, 1853 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,000 Speaker 1: and proving that he has a clean bill of health. 1854 01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:24,320 Speaker 1: Remember he missed a lot of last year with the 1855 01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:28,240 Speaker 1: broken yeah fore too, Yeah, so he is cleared to 1856 01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:32,040 Speaker 1: do that. He does have limited experience. The Mississippi offense 1857 01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,280 Speaker 1: was sort of pedanting, didn't really ask him to do 1858 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,080 Speaker 1: a lot, so you are projecting a lot. But with 1859 01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,400 Speaker 1: those athletic tools, he could absolutely be a top ten 1860 01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:40,479 Speaker 1: if if he's I want to say four or four 1861 01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,599 Speaker 1: five or less, um, I think that would really wow 1862 01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,519 Speaker 1: people at that size. Anything below four or five though, 1863 01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,599 Speaker 1: and I think he's he's definitely the first wide receiver 1864 01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,040 Speaker 1: off the board with you on that. We talked yesterday 1865 01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:54,920 Speaker 1: a little bit, Jeff about how, uh, last year, one 1866 01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,879 Speaker 1: third of the players who were invited to the combine 1867 01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,680 Speaker 1: did not get drafted, so this is not the be 1868 01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,639 Speaker 1: all end all. At the same time, there were thirty 1869 01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,599 Speaker 1: eight guys who did get drafted who did not get invited. 1870 01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,040 Speaker 1: Is there a guy who was snubbed who you think 1871 01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:14,519 Speaker 1: you really really wanted to see, your team's really needed 1872 01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,280 Speaker 1: to see and he's gonna wind up shocking people when 1873 01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,120 Speaker 1: it comes to the draft, You know, I'll give you 1874 01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,000 Speaker 1: a couple. There's one uh Nebraska running back to Vino 1875 01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,320 Speaker 1: Zigbo was a guy who did I never thought much 1876 01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,040 Speaker 1: of him and I saw him play in person until 1877 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,439 Speaker 1: his senior year and he just exploded. He lost a 1878 01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:31,519 Speaker 1: little bit of weight, he figured out, got confident in 1879 01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:33,600 Speaker 1: his game. He's a running back. I think he's a 1880 01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,160 Speaker 1: fourth or fifth round pick. I think he's going to 1881 01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:37,400 Speaker 1: be a solid number two NFL running back. I think 1882 01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,519 Speaker 1: he's he's got a lot to offer. So I was 1883 01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,439 Speaker 1: disappointed that he wasn't here. Uh Khalil Hodges, the the 1884 01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,439 Speaker 1: linebacker from Buffalo UM. Now, he did not have a 1885 01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,800 Speaker 1: great shrine game, like you're waiting at two fifty five pounds, 1886 01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:49,040 Speaker 1: and I think that was one of the reasons why 1887 01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,240 Speaker 1: maybe he got a little soured because he played in 1888 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,640 Speaker 1: the two forties. But but he's another guy. He's a 1889 01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:56,920 Speaker 1: legit NFL talent and he he is not here. And 1890 01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,040 Speaker 1: that's that's unfortunately about Penny Hart too. I thought he 1891 01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:02,439 Speaker 1: was phenomenal the senior ball. That was my first to him. Yeah, 1892 01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,479 Speaker 1: the wid recuper from Georgia State. I had not seen 1893 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,000 Speaker 1: him before, and I'm like, wow, I need to go 1894 01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,080 Speaker 1: watch this guy, and he was on everybody, and the 1895 01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,719 Speaker 1: tape validated. He did that in college too, So that's disappointing. 1896 01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,960 Speaker 1: He's a guy, my goodness, he'd looked in a lot 1897 01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,000 Speaker 1: of uniforms. Now that's a guy I didn't look at. 1898 01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,600 Speaker 1: But I wrote down a note to myself because Cortez 1899 01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:23,879 Speaker 1: brought in from Cincinnati six to nine defensive tackle, seven sacks, 1900 01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:27,120 Speaker 1: eighteen and a half tackles for a loss. My goodness. 1901 01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,280 Speaker 1: If that doesn't intrigue you, what does. And he's another 1902 01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,040 Speaker 1: guy he had a great Shrine game with He was 1903 01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:32,639 Speaker 1: one of the best players down there in St. Pete. 1904 01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,639 Speaker 1: Consistently disrupted from both the three and the five techniques, 1905 01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,000 Speaker 1: so that you're getting a guy who can play in 1906 01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,360 Speaker 1: multiple schemes there too. He's a little bit of an 1907 01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,599 Speaker 1: odd size, he's got short arms, um didn't necessarily play 1908 01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:44,439 Speaker 1: in a scheme that asked him to do a lot. 1909 01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,880 Speaker 1: But he's an NFL player absolutely. The Giants are loaded 1910 01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:50,200 Speaker 1: up with Day three picks. They got a lot of four's, 1911 01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,960 Speaker 1: a lot of five, six and sevens loaded up. That's 1912 01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,920 Speaker 1: why I'm bringing these guys up. What positions do you 1913 01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:00,680 Speaker 1: think you might have some talent slipped down into that 1914 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,400 Speaker 1: Day three area where you can find somebody that can 1915 01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:05,639 Speaker 1: help you. You know, I think cornerback is very deep 1916 01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,840 Speaker 1: this year. I'm not sure that it's it's it's high 1917 01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,759 Speaker 1: at the top end. I love Byron Murphy out of Washington. 1918 01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,560 Speaker 1: I think he's the clear cut number one cornerback in 1919 01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,840 Speaker 1: this class. Others will not agree with me on that, 1920 01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,960 Speaker 1: but there's there's Day three guys that that are gonna 1921 01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,040 Speaker 1: be able to play for a long time in this league. 1922 01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,760 Speaker 1: At cornerback into your offensive line. I think it's not 1923 01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,640 Speaker 1: as high end as it was last year. I mean, 1924 01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,880 Speaker 1: obviously Will Hernandez and he wasn't even the best, It's 1925 01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,960 Speaker 1: not even been the second best at his position, and 1926 01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,600 Speaker 1: he was great. So that that's another one where you 1927 01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,840 Speaker 1: can get some depth guys, guys who are gonna make 1928 01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,160 Speaker 1: your team as a rookie and stick around at corner. 1929 01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,960 Speaker 1: Slot guys are outside guys. Or is it kind of 1930 01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,320 Speaker 1: like pick your poison. It is, it's definitely pick your poison. 1931 01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,080 Speaker 1: I do like the slot class a little bit more 1932 01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:45,600 Speaker 1: than I like the outside class. That there's a lot 1933 01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,519 Speaker 1: of guys with a lot of speed issues, and that's 1934 01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,400 Speaker 1: one of the things that i'moutly gonna be watching this week. 1935 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,400 Speaker 1: I think they run on Monday. Uh is how well 1936 01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:54,680 Speaker 1: those bigger cornerbacks run this year, because like the big 1937 01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:56,960 Speaker 1: wide receivers, if they can run, the corner's got to 1938 01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,200 Speaker 1: keep up. Is this a good draft for the Giant's 1939 01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:03,840 Speaker 1: to have a load of picks? They got ten picks. Okay, 1940 01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,200 Speaker 1: we know they don't have a three, but it starts 1941 01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:10,200 Speaker 1: multiplying as a result of trades in the third day 1942 01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,160 Speaker 1: of the draft. A lot of us believe Dave Gentleman 1943 01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,360 Speaker 1: is not gonna pick ten guys. He's gonna use some 1944 01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,400 Speaker 1: draft capital to either try to move up in finagle 1945 01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,559 Speaker 1: this year or maybe get some draft capital in two 1946 01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,920 Speaker 1: thousand twenty. What do you think his best move should be. 1947 01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,960 Speaker 1: I like the idea of going for more this year 1948 01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,720 Speaker 1: because I think if you can trade two or three 1949 01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,880 Speaker 1: of your day three picks and turn it into another 1950 01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:34,840 Speaker 1: day to pick maybe at the end of the second 1951 01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,240 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the third round, if you see 1952 01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,600 Speaker 1: another guy that you really like, I think that that 1953 01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:40,559 Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense based on the talent 1954 01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,880 Speaker 1: pool that's there and the level that should be there. 1955 01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,479 Speaker 1: Right I think there's a bit of a drop off 1956 01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,680 Speaker 1: after about the seventy or so pick in this rough 1957 01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,160 Speaker 1: estimate there. But if you can get another pick in 1958 01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,280 Speaker 1: that range and get a guy who's who you know 1959 01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,240 Speaker 1: is your Your coaches like him, your scouts like him, 1960 01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,479 Speaker 1: your evaluators are comfortable with him, I think I think 1961 01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,519 Speaker 1: that's a no brainer move. You know, people talk about 1962 01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,080 Speaker 1: you get through tiers, right and you get to that 1963 01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,720 Speaker 1: big tier where if you know, one year, maybe all 1964 01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:07,439 Speaker 1: the guys picked between twenty and forty, it's like whatever, 1965 01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, close your eyes, roll the dice, see if 1966 01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,640 Speaker 1: you get the best player or not. Where's that big 1967 01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,040 Speaker 1: group this year between kind of like where and where 1968 01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:15,680 Speaker 1: you have a lot of guys that are gonna have 1969 01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:17,960 Speaker 1: similar grades, but you just gotta pick the right one, 1970 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,840 Speaker 1: you know. Honestly, I think it's near the top this year. 1971 01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,400 Speaker 1: I think it's probably the guys after about four or 1972 01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,320 Speaker 1: five um, and that that's not including the quarterbacks in 1973 01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,760 Speaker 1: there because that they're they're their own entity. But but 1974 01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,760 Speaker 1: guys from there to like fifteen to twenty in that range, 1975 01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:32,439 Speaker 1: I think I think some of those guys are gonna 1976 01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:33,880 Speaker 1: be the number five guys for some teams, and the 1977 01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,160 Speaker 1: number twenty guys for others and vice versa. What is 1978 01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,839 Speaker 1: your really top tier then, of of top position players 1979 01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:43,599 Speaker 1: that you think are next. I think Bosa is there. 1980 01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,200 Speaker 1: Quinn and Williams is there, even though he's got a 1981 01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,479 Speaker 1: broken finger and won't work out here. Um, which is 1982 01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,960 Speaker 1: odd because I played volleyball in college with broken figures 1983 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,080 Speaker 1: all the time. Not not that not that hard to 1984 01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,280 Speaker 1: work with a broken figure, But I digress. Um, he's there. 1985 01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,200 Speaker 1: I think Buyer Murphy is up there for me at time. 1986 01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:01,880 Speaker 1: I really do like him, and he plays a little 1987 01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:03,960 Speaker 1: lot to in college he did, and he can he 1988 01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,040 Speaker 1: can also turn and run, flip his hips, do a 1989 01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,040 Speaker 1: lot of things. I think Devin White, the linebacker from 1990 01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:10,880 Speaker 1: L s U. He might be a little bit over baked, 1991 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,320 Speaker 1: but man, there's a lot to like with him with 1992 01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,880 Speaker 1: him absolutely, and I would put Dwayne Haskins up there. 1993 01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,680 Speaker 1: I like Dwayne Haskins. I think he is not as 1994 01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:21,640 Speaker 1: NFL ready as a lot of guys who have come 1995 01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:23,040 Speaker 1: out in the last couple of years. But I think 1996 01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,200 Speaker 1: what you have with him as a guy who understands 1997 01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,759 Speaker 1: how to run a pro offense. He makes good decisions, 1998 01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,479 Speaker 1: He's a pocket passer, but he can also move around 1999 01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,479 Speaker 1: a little bit. I think his lack of mobility is 2000 01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,320 Speaker 1: getting overplayed. I think there's a really good NFL quarterback there, 2001 01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:37,280 Speaker 1: and he improved this year, went along to his last 2002 01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,519 Speaker 1: three games were very very strong. The fact that he 2003 01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,200 Speaker 1: did it in a big ten where there were a 2004 01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,439 Speaker 1: lot of really good defensive backs and and good defensive schemes. 2005 01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,160 Speaker 1: I think that says a lot for him too. You know, 2006 01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:48,200 Speaker 1: I know we've been doing a lot of quarterbacks with 2007 01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,240 Speaker 1: some of the other folks, but we wanted to keep 2008 01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,800 Speaker 1: you away from that. But but I am going to 2009 01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,000 Speaker 1: ask you this because you were just talking about being 2010 01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:58,600 Speaker 1: NFL ready. Daniel Jones, with the experience he out in 2011 01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,280 Speaker 1: college three and half years, is a starter, undercut, cliff tough, 2012 01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:05,200 Speaker 1: seems to really have a good head on his shoulders. 2013 01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,599 Speaker 1: Is it possible he might be the most pro ready 2014 01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:12,080 Speaker 1: quarterback even if he doesn't have the highest upside. Yeah, 2015 01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:14,360 Speaker 1: I'd go with that. Yeah. I'm not a big Daniel 2016 01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:17,120 Speaker 1: Jones fan. I saw him play live. I saw their 2017 01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:20,040 Speaker 1: Bowl game, uh two years ago, and I just wasn't 2018 01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:21,800 Speaker 1: impressed with the zip on his passes. Now, he's a 2019 01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,640 Speaker 1: very cerebral guy. I think he's got the profile to 2020 01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:26,960 Speaker 1: be a great NFL backup quarterback for a long time. 2021 01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:28,439 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see me never being a starter. 2022 01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:29,720 Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of people who are 2023 01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:31,479 Speaker 1: pulling their out, Oh my goodness, is gonna be a 2024 01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,479 Speaker 1: top fifteen pick, and and that could very well be. 2025 01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,320 Speaker 1: He is NF already. And if you need a guy 2026 01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,960 Speaker 1: to go right now, I see him being like a 2027 01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:42,519 Speaker 1: higher end Cody Kessler, much much better than Cody Kessler, 2028 01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:44,800 Speaker 1: who just doesn't impress me at all. But that's uh 2029 01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:46,280 Speaker 1: that that's the kind of guy you're getting a guy 2030 01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:48,160 Speaker 1: he's not gonna hurt your team, but I'm not sure 2031 01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:49,600 Speaker 1: he's gonna be the guy that helps you over it. 2032 01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,120 Speaker 1: So if if you need are the thing is you're 2033 01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:54,360 Speaker 1: not gonna take a bridge guy like that for in 2034 01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:56,280 Speaker 1: the first round, at least I would hope not. But 2035 01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,160 Speaker 1: teams do weird things all the time. Jeff, we appreciate 2036 01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:03,160 Speaker 1: the time. Thanks. We'll be back with Kyle Crabs from 2037 01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:04,960 Speaker 1: the Draft Network right after this on Big Bloo Kick 2038 01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,280 Speaker 1: Golf Live Live from the Combine in Indianapolis. We're back 2039 01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,080 Speaker 1: here on Big Book Kick Golf Live from the Combine 2040 01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,479 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. John Schmunk polled the Tino. It's all presented 2041 01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,439 Speaker 1: by Corps Light download the Coors Light Awards APPU an 2042 01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:18,559 Speaker 1: Amazing Giants Prizes. Kyle Crabs is our final Draft Expert 2043 01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,320 Speaker 1: guests of the day. Will of Madeline Burke to close 2044 01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,639 Speaker 1: out the show. Kyle from the Draft Network dot Com. 2045 01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:24,800 Speaker 1: All right, we'll get to what your site is doing 2046 01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,240 Speaker 1: towards the end of the interview, because I think you 2047 01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:27,880 Speaker 1: guys are doing some great stuff with the mock drafts 2048 01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:31,800 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Overall, Um, what's your take on 2049 01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,080 Speaker 1: this class compared to last year in terms of strength 2050 01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,160 Speaker 1: at the top and in terms of depth. Sure, I 2051 01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,800 Speaker 1: think obviously the strength of this class lies on the 2052 01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:43,200 Speaker 1: defensive side, particularly defensive lineman, whether those are interior players 2053 01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:47,040 Speaker 1: or boundary pass rushers. And I put my big board together, 2054 01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,439 Speaker 1: put it updated top two hundred out on Tuesday, and 2055 01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:52,640 Speaker 1: as I'm sitting here slotting through these players, I hit 2056 01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,680 Speaker 1: about one ten and I kind of realized, Wow, Like 2057 01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,559 Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time because I don't feel really 2058 01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:02,760 Speaker 1: good about where the talent level should be versus the 2059 01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,960 Speaker 1: slots that I'm ordering in the draft boards. Do you 2060 01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,160 Speaker 1: think him well kind of like a three round draft. Yeah, 2061 01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:10,840 Speaker 1: if you need impact players that you feel I can 2062 01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,120 Speaker 1: step into a role early and help your football team, 2063 01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,479 Speaker 1: those top three rounds are gonna be where you should 2064 01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,640 Speaker 1: be aggressively pushing to pursue guys because after that it's 2065 01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:21,280 Speaker 1: a lot of questions, a lot of raw athletes, a 2066 01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:22,479 Speaker 1: lot of guys that maybe you don't have a lot 2067 01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,280 Speaker 1: of experience, which goes back to what I've been trying 2068 01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,120 Speaker 1: to preach to our viewers about Dave Getleman needs to 2069 01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:31,000 Speaker 1: get another pick in that third round. He lost it 2070 01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:33,440 Speaker 1: because he used it on Sam Bill in the supplemental 2071 01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,600 Speaker 1: Draft last year. And and it's funny because we just 2072 01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:38,479 Speaker 1: had Jeff on a second ago and he said top 2073 01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:40,920 Speaker 1: seventy five is kind of like a border. I've been 2074 01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:42,840 Speaker 1: saying Gettleman's got to get another pick in on top 2075 01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:45,479 Speaker 1: seventy five and that the second loss was seventy one. 2076 01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,960 Speaker 1: I believe is that? And what, by the way, what 2077 01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:50,040 Speaker 1: do you think about Beal if he had been in 2078 01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,880 Speaker 1: this draft? Sure, I did an assessment on him after 2079 01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,160 Speaker 1: he came out through the Supplemental Draft and they submitted 2080 01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:56,760 Speaker 1: to pick and I came away with like a fourth 2081 01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:58,880 Speaker 1: round assessment on him, So I did feel they were 2082 01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:00,920 Speaker 1: maybe a little more rested them. They had to be, 2083 01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:04,559 Speaker 1: But I understand why there's appeal there with his size 2084 01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,760 Speaker 1: profile and the movement skills that he brings to the 2085 01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,960 Speaker 1: table at the cornerback position. You know, that's what everybody's 2086 01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:13,000 Speaker 1: hunting and searching for these days, as those long, kind 2087 01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:16,800 Speaker 1: of loose corners, and he checks those boxes. So in 2088 01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:18,840 Speaker 1: a corner class that you know, we thought we had 2089 01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,320 Speaker 1: a guy like that, Michael Jackson from Miami. He's a 2090 01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,600 Speaker 1: little shorter, not quite as long as we thought he was. 2091 01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,240 Speaker 1: He's a little stiffer than we were hoping he was 2092 01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,479 Speaker 1: going to be. So there there is a little bit 2093 01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:29,519 Speaker 1: of a void there were he could have bubbled himself 2094 01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,040 Speaker 1: up into this draft class a little bit if he 2095 01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:32,360 Speaker 1: was in this year's class. You had a couple of 2096 01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,600 Speaker 1: people say baby late second round for him based on 2097 01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:36,720 Speaker 1: the rights of the cornerback class. And I'll stay there 2098 01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:38,200 Speaker 1: because I know a lot of people don't like this 2099 01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,360 Speaker 1: class very much. Most of the other than Jefferson, who 2100 01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:44,080 Speaker 1: loves Murphy for out of Washington, most people have said 2101 01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,680 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty, that's when you see you first cornerback come 2102 01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,400 Speaker 1: off the board. What's your take on cornerback and what 2103 01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:51,600 Speaker 1: could the Giants be looking at, either at six or 2104 01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,840 Speaker 1: if you're looking at second round or later. Sure, I 2105 01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:57,000 Speaker 1: think when you're evaluating this year's corner class through a 2106 01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,960 Speaker 1: draft evaluator's perspective, it's a little challenging because their scheme 2107 01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:02,400 Speaker 1: specific guys. There are guys that I like, like Trey 2108 01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,960 Speaker 1: von Mullen from Clemson. If you're gonna play press coverler 2109 01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:07,800 Speaker 1: coverage and let him disrupt inside the first five yards 2110 01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,040 Speaker 1: and then playoff receiver's hips, I like him a lot 2111 01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:11,960 Speaker 1: in that role, and I can understand why a team 2112 01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:15,600 Speaker 1: would pursue him earlier. Byron Murphy, for me, is one 2113 01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:17,880 Speaker 1: of the top ten football players in this class. Like 2114 01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:20,599 Speaker 1: him a tremendous football player. He's the key to my heart. 2115 01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:23,200 Speaker 1: At the corner position is really quick feet, clicking clothes, 2116 01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,840 Speaker 1: and you've gotta be fearless and he hits. He don't 2117 01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:27,840 Speaker 1: care how big you are. He's gonna fly in their 2118 01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:29,920 Speaker 1: stick his face, and his family's gonna really challenge you 2119 01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:33,360 Speaker 1: with physicality. So I know the league. Cleveland kind of 2120 01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:34,960 Speaker 1: broke the trend would take in Denzel Warre in the 2121 01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,519 Speaker 1: top five last year. That's kind of the pathway there 2122 01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,920 Speaker 1: if if you're hoping as Byron Murphy, either fan or 2123 01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:45,400 Speaker 1: Byron Murphy himself, you're hoping that that opens that pathway 2124 01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:46,840 Speaker 1: for you to get drafted earlier, because I think he 2125 01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:48,360 Speaker 1: has had and shoulders by the rest of the teams 2126 01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,479 Speaker 1: are gonna have to kind of project whether he can 2127 01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:53,000 Speaker 1: play man right because he played primarily zone at Washington. 2128 01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:54,720 Speaker 1: Do you think he can make that transition to more 2129 01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:56,760 Speaker 1: of a man scheme because jays Betcher wants to play 2130 01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,040 Speaker 1: press man and get up in your girl little so 2131 01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:01,599 Speaker 1: he he really shined when he was in that off 2132 01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:03,760 Speaker 1: coverage a little bit, that clicking close ability and that 2133 01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:05,760 Speaker 1: ability to take that bucket step and then drive on 2134 01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,280 Speaker 1: stuff in front of your face. He was patient at 2135 01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,280 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage when he had the opportunity to 2136 01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:13,200 Speaker 1: show that. That's not something he did a whole lot of. 2137 01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:17,160 Speaker 1: But from a functional strength perspective, I think he's got enough, 2138 01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:18,880 Speaker 1: But I think it would make for a little bit 2139 01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,200 Speaker 1: of a rougher transition if you tried to play him 2140 01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:23,800 Speaker 1: more predominantly in that type of role early on in 2141 01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:27,120 Speaker 1: his career. Let's stick with the secondary because Adderly at 2142 01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,360 Speaker 1: Adelaware did real well when he got to the All 2143 01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:32,400 Speaker 1: Star Game. And I know he's not gonna be top 2144 01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:34,639 Speaker 1: six or anything, but is there any chance you see 2145 01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:36,599 Speaker 1: him maybe getting to the top of the second round 2146 01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,120 Speaker 1: of the Giants are looking for his safety? Absolutely? I 2147 01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:41,320 Speaker 1: think you turned on his film. He's what I was 2148 01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:44,400 Speaker 1: expecting to get from Deonte Thompson out of Alabama. Coming 2149 01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:46,280 Speaker 1: into the year. We were really high on Deontay Thompson 2150 01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:48,800 Speaker 1: at the Draft Network and everybody really liked the range 2151 01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:52,400 Speaker 1: that he illustrated, and he kind of got stagnant this 2152 01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:55,280 Speaker 1: past year where Thompson or with Adderlie. You turn on 2153 01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:57,760 Speaker 1: his film, He's covered a ton of ground on the 2154 01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,479 Speaker 1: back end. I really really like him and sing he 2155 01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,680 Speaker 1: doesn't have the most explosive first step, but I think 2156 01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:05,400 Speaker 1: he's gonna test really well. I think he's gonna run 2157 01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:07,080 Speaker 1: about four or five. How about that one red zone 2158 01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:09,000 Speaker 1: rep where he was covering the right half of the 2159 01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:12,240 Speaker 1: field and then literally Paul ran across three quarters of 2160 01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:17,160 Speaker 1: the field opposite sideline went up, No, it was it 2161 01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:20,120 Speaker 1: was yeah, Well one of the games that they are 2162 01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,360 Speaker 1: watching the game film and he literally covered three quarters 2163 01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,120 Speaker 1: of the width of the field while the ball was 2164 01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:27,000 Speaker 1: in the air and came up with an interception. He 2165 01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:29,280 Speaker 1: had another rep against North Dakota State where he was 2166 01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:32,160 Speaker 1: playing single and east and stick to North Dakota State 2167 01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:35,120 Speaker 1: quarterbacks looking right, and he kind of buzzes across the 2168 01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:37,960 Speaker 1: hashes and then Stick throws forty five yards down the 2169 01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,360 Speaker 1: field on the other sideline, and his anticipation allowed him 2170 01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:42,920 Speaker 1: to kind of hands and carry and he got over 2171 01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:44,479 Speaker 1: there at the exact same time as a football so 2172 01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:46,960 Speaker 1: tremendous center field range. So you think there's a shot 2173 01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:49,720 Speaker 1: he drops the top of the second round or yeah, 2174 01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,800 Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a spot I would feel 2175 01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,840 Speaker 1: safe value for him. I'm gonna be a little bit 2176 01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,360 Speaker 1: higher on him. I don't know if the league will 2177 01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:02,120 Speaker 1: because of the level of competition and stuff. Uh okay, thanks, 2178 01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:04,599 Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be your turn. I guess 2179 01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:06,960 Speaker 1: I got another one for him. Uh, let me ask 2180 01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:10,479 Speaker 1: you this. I don't know where you have the quarterbacks. Okay, 2181 01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:13,280 Speaker 1: you have your board in terms of what your value is, 2182 01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:16,840 Speaker 1: but we all know quarterbacks get overdrafted. Yes, Okay. Last year, 2183 01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,280 Speaker 1: five quarterbacks in the first round pushed to god like 2184 01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:21,400 Speaker 1: Will Hernandez down to the Giants in the second round 2185 01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:22,800 Speaker 1: when a lot of folks thought he'd be a late 2186 01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,800 Speaker 1: first round back. There are some who think four quarterbacks 2187 01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:28,439 Speaker 1: could go in the first round this year. I don't 2188 01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:30,599 Speaker 1: believe it, but people are saying I don't think so either. 2189 01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:34,760 Speaker 1: But when people overdraft, you never know. How likely do 2190 01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:38,000 Speaker 1: you think that is that some of these stud defensive 2191 01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:40,280 Speaker 1: players in the front seven, or maybe some of these 2192 01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,080 Speaker 1: offensive tackles get pushed out of that first round because 2193 01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:47,720 Speaker 1: four quarterbacks go. I don't see four quarterbacks either. Um, 2194 01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:54,439 Speaker 1: how many do you see? Three? Lock? Lock? I really 2195 01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,400 Speaker 1: like lock the Denver still, even though they traded for 2196 01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:01,280 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, Uh, Kyler Murray and Ane Haskins. I'm not 2197 01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:05,599 Speaker 1: buying in on Daniel Jones at all. Um. I think 2198 01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:08,040 Speaker 1: a team will get aggressive for Kyler because of his 2199 01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,160 Speaker 1: playmaking ability, and then he kind of breaks them all 2200 01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:13,680 Speaker 1: a little bit right, and then Dwayne's kind of a 2201 01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:16,559 Speaker 1: wild card. But you look at I think what makes 2202 01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:18,920 Speaker 1: that so difficult to see four quarterbacks go in the 2203 01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,080 Speaker 1: first round this year is you look at the top 2204 01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:24,599 Speaker 1: ten and it's pretty stagnant as far as those teams 2205 01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:28,080 Speaker 1: aren't the teams that needed. So now you're asking teams 2206 01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:31,280 Speaker 1: to invest extra draft capital in addition to in top 2207 01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:33,519 Speaker 1: ten selection potentially to trade up and go get a 2208 01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:36,360 Speaker 1: player and kind of kick start that run. And I 2209 01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:39,240 Speaker 1: don't know how eager teams are gonna be any down 2210 01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,879 Speaker 1: year with a promising year next year and five quarterbacks 2211 01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:45,160 Speaker 1: coming out last year. We've seen eleven quarterbacks go in 2212 01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:47,360 Speaker 1: the first round and left in the last three seasons, 2213 01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,479 Speaker 1: I believe, and only one of them was not traded 2214 01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:50,920 Speaker 1: up for in It was Baker Mayfield last year, the 2215 01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:52,960 Speaker 1: number one pick. Well un last year the Jets slipped 2216 01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:55,920 Speaker 1: the spark when they moved up for Doors. So I 2217 01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:59,560 Speaker 1: just don't know what what a team is gonna be 2218 01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:01,240 Speaker 1: willing to get him in this year's climate at the 2219 01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:04,519 Speaker 1: quarterback position, that's gonna cause the frenzy for teams to 2220 01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,840 Speaker 1: start to panic and start the run. Devin White, I 2221 01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:10,080 Speaker 1: feel like opinions on him are all over the maps. 2222 01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:12,400 Speaker 1: They love the traits, but I've seen him miss some 2223 01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:14,360 Speaker 1: tackles and kind of run around like a chicken with 2224 01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,760 Speaker 1: his with his head cut off sometimes too. What's your 2225 01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,880 Speaker 1: guys take on White and where value would land him 2226 01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:21,960 Speaker 1: in this potential draft. Well, we are all over the 2227 01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:23,920 Speaker 1: board as well. I'm one of those guys who's really 2228 01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,960 Speaker 1: high White. I like White a lot. I think he's 2229 01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:28,800 Speaker 1: gonna be one of my top fifteen overall. When it's 2230 01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:33,479 Speaker 1: all said in time, it does settles. That's pretty that's 2231 01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:35,680 Speaker 1: pretty rich. Yeah, because even though he I thought he 2232 01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:38,320 Speaker 1: did a really nice job progressing forward as far as 2233 01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:40,799 Speaker 1: some of the reads he was making in the confidence 2234 01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:43,479 Speaker 1: in those reads, the contact balance was still an issue 2235 01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:47,000 Speaker 1: where he's overrunning some plays. And when he's right, when 2236 01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:49,400 Speaker 1: he's got all the technique stuff right, he's a phenomenal 2237 01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:52,120 Speaker 1: football player. So I think top twenty, I feel comfortable 2238 01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:56,759 Speaker 1: projecting him Top fifteen is pushing it unless it's Cincinnati eleven. 2239 01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:01,639 Speaker 1: What about uh, what we saw in the championship game 2240 01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,439 Speaker 1: when Farrell went up against Williams and dominated him. In 2241 01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:08,840 Speaker 1: my opinion, there are those who still think Williams is 2242 01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:11,000 Speaker 1: the best offensive tackle in this draft. Some think he 2243 01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:14,360 Speaker 1: might even be a top five pick, and yet that 2244 01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:17,880 Speaker 1: game that would make me a little scared. But then again, 2245 01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:20,760 Speaker 1: I like Farrell bat high, so maybe that's a good 2246 01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:22,519 Speaker 1: thing for him. So do you how do you view 2247 01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:24,439 Speaker 1: that we're cut from the same cloth in that regard 2248 01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,400 Speaker 1: Cleveland Farrell. I'm super high on Jonah Williams. I like, 2249 01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,080 Speaker 1: but I don't love. I've watched other guys like Juwan 2250 01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:34,840 Speaker 1: Taylor from Florida, who really stands out, Cody Ford from Oklahoma. 2251 01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:37,640 Speaker 1: Those guys, I think, especially when you consider what the 2252 01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,280 Speaker 1: league covets and what the league wants, there's a very 2253 01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:42,840 Speaker 1: realistic chance those guys leap frog Joan Williams, and Joan 2254 01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:44,960 Speaker 1: Williams is not the first offensive tackle like he was 2255 01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:50,120 Speaker 1: widely considered throughout the course of the entire college football season, 2256 01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:52,360 Speaker 1: and that game against Clemson is kind of a nice 2257 01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,439 Speaker 1: synopsis of that where you've got a longer armed, heavy 2258 01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:58,880 Speaker 1: handed guy and if Jonah Williams is not perfect, then 2259 01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,560 Speaker 1: he's gonna pay for it. Where you have guys like 2260 01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:05,200 Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor, for me, is phenomenal football players. Give me 2261 01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:08,640 Speaker 1: with my top ten overall players, and he took tremendous 2262 01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:11,360 Speaker 1: strides this past year for Florida. Always had the physical tools, 2263 01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:15,160 Speaker 1: but now he's so much cleaner with his pass sets. 2264 01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,679 Speaker 1: He's a weapon in the screen game and the running 2265 01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:19,720 Speaker 1: game and getting on the second level and cutting off 2266 01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:23,320 Speaker 1: thatack sidelinebackers and making blocks you have no business making 2267 01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:27,240 Speaker 1: as a right tackle. They're running bubble screens outside the numbers, 2268 01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:29,640 Speaker 1: and he's lined up in tight and runs out and 2269 01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:31,679 Speaker 1: picks off the safety trying to fill from off coverage, 2270 01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:35,200 Speaker 1: like who. Offensive tackles don't do that. So if you're 2271 01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:38,200 Speaker 1: two asking me about the offensive tackle climate, Juwan Taylor, 2272 01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:40,080 Speaker 1: I think it's fore of that conversation back to the 2273 01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,519 Speaker 1: other side of the coin. And you now, I've already 2274 01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:45,160 Speaker 1: told me you're a federal guy. Like guys. I love 2275 01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:47,200 Speaker 1: the kid, and I get the fact that it doesn't 2276 01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:48,840 Speaker 1: bend as well as John might want him to be. 2277 01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:51,679 Speaker 1: But trust me, he could play. He's a good player. 2278 01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,880 Speaker 1: The thing is, he fights, got a good motor, and 2279 01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:59,040 Speaker 1: he's very productive at a very high level. And when 2280 01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:01,439 Speaker 1: Dave Geentlemans says to us, when you draft on a 2281 01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:04,439 Speaker 1: guy in the first round, especially high, he's got to 2282 01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,560 Speaker 1: have instincts, I think this kid's got instincts, definitely. And 2283 01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,519 Speaker 1: he's been a big time producer for ever since his 2284 01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,720 Speaker 1: true freshman season in Clemson. You know, he's flashed big time, 2285 01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:16,479 Speaker 1: and he really seemed to put the exclamation point on 2286 01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,599 Speaker 1: that national championship game as far as his draft status 2287 01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:22,080 Speaker 1: and what his projection can be. And that's something that 2288 01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:24,799 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of draft analysts myself, including 2289 01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:26,880 Speaker 1: get wrapped up in. Sometimes we we think about what 2290 01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:29,720 Speaker 1: we expected want a player to look like, but you 2291 01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:32,400 Speaker 1: have to understand that different teams have different ideologies for 2292 01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:34,960 Speaker 1: what a defensive end can look like and how you 2293 01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:36,479 Speaker 1: can put him in a successful or I think a 2294 01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:39,880 Speaker 1: great example is Detroit with Shaun Hannon from Alabama last 2295 01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:42,880 Speaker 1: year who was a middle round pick, and we were like, well, 2296 01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:44,720 Speaker 1: this guy didn't really have a lot of production. You know, 2297 01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:46,639 Speaker 1: he's he's kind of boxing, he's not, you know, really 2298 01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:49,280 Speaker 1: dynamic golf the edge. But Detroit plays him in a 2299 01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:51,120 Speaker 1: power role and they liked their guys with heavy hands, 2300 01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:53,160 Speaker 1: and they put him in a position where he didn't 2301 01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:56,040 Speaker 1: generate a ton of sack numbers, but he played lights out. 2302 01:43:56,560 --> 01:44:01,120 Speaker 1: So Farrell is not quite to that extreme. He's heavy handed, 2303 01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:03,680 Speaker 1: long armed, pretty refined with this pass rush. I think 2304 01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:06,040 Speaker 1: all those things play to his advantage as you're trying 2305 01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:07,479 Speaker 1: to project him to the next loss. Do you think 2306 01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:09,040 Speaker 1: he'd be a good value with sex? Is that where 2307 01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna be comfortable with that. Yeah, what are the 2308 01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:14,880 Speaker 1: pass rushers or offensive tackles aside from Taylor? Would you 2309 01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,439 Speaker 1: be comfortable at that six spot with uh? This is 2310 01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:19,000 Speaker 1: probably a little bit of a hot take, but Brian 2311 01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:21,360 Speaker 1: Burns from Florida State, I think might be the past 2312 01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:24,280 Speaker 1: best pass rushing in the class regardless. Now he's a 2313 01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:27,000 Speaker 1: smaller guy though right, Yes, I think we'll be surprised 2314 01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,120 Speaker 1: what he weighs in based on some folks that I've 2315 01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:33,480 Speaker 1: talked to, I'll be I think we might be surprised 2316 01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:36,920 Speaker 1: with what he weighs in at what they are aiming 2317 01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:41,960 Speaker 1: to change the narrative just sigh ins and his playing 2318 01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:44,000 Speaker 1: weight and those sorts of things. But he's He's going 2319 01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:46,320 Speaker 1: to test very very well and I have not seen 2320 01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:49,439 Speaker 1: a pass rush prospect with this amount of bend. We 2321 01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:53,400 Speaker 1: want to talk about Ben This guy, he's drifting off 2322 01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:55,960 Speaker 1: the edge. He gets super low, shouldered, down low and 2323 01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:58,839 Speaker 1: very very refined pass rush. He's a very exciting players. 2324 01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:02,479 Speaker 1: He's been eating seven at st Elmos. They've been loaned 2325 01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:05,679 Speaker 1: him up. The question is that could affect his athletic 2326 01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:07,679 Speaker 1: testing now because you don't him to come into heavy 2327 01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:10,040 Speaker 1: because I imagine you guys expect him to test off 2328 01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:12,080 Speaker 1: the charts here with his band, right, Yeah, I mean 2329 01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:14,000 Speaker 1: you think about the Florida State kid who came in 2330 01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:17,920 Speaker 1: last year and was about two fifty sweat or whatever 2331 01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:21,880 Speaker 1: it was. Uh, that would be kind of my expectation 2332 01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:25,240 Speaker 1: for what we're hoping to see this week from Brian Burns. 2333 01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,760 Speaker 1: Sticking with the pass rusher Ferguson, Yeah, boy, there's a 2334 01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:31,320 Speaker 1: lot of scopes of opinion on him as well. Where 2335 01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:33,120 Speaker 1: do you stand? He was disappointing for me at the 2336 01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:34,640 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. I don't think he did much at all. 2337 01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:37,280 Speaker 1: When I walk away from the weekend, I don't have 2338 01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:39,240 Speaker 1: a single note for you on paper. That's a problem. 2339 01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:43,480 Speaker 1: The same thing happened to me. And he he's super productive, 2340 01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:45,680 Speaker 1: right if you think he's over sixty career sacks or 2341 01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:49,600 Speaker 1: whatever it is, but he just he I thought he 2342 01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:52,439 Speaker 1: took advantage of the level of competition that he played, 2343 01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:57,000 Speaker 1: and it wasn't necessarily because of technique or fundamentals. It 2344 01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:01,880 Speaker 1: was just running through soft challenges and or unblocked plays, 2345 01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:05,160 Speaker 1: uncontested rushes, those sorts of things. When I watched Ferguson 2346 01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:07,360 Speaker 1: on tape, that's where I got a depression. A lot 2347 01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:09,720 Speaker 1: of his production stem from those types of plays, and 2348 01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:11,640 Speaker 1: that won't translate to the next same thing happened. I 2349 01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:14,680 Speaker 1: was watching Oshane Zimenez in preparation for the Senior Bowl. 2350 01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:16,559 Speaker 1: I saw him play against his poor kid at the Citadel, 2351 01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:18,920 Speaker 1: and it's like he was. It was basically he was 2352 01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:21,880 Speaker 1: basically running in the sixth grader against kinderga, actually passing, 2353 01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,439 Speaker 1: rushing against the tripod for a camera and the kid 2354 01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:27,200 Speaker 1: had absolutely no shot. Where do you think in the 2355 01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:30,920 Speaker 1: second round you might find good value with that sixth pick? 2356 01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:32,680 Speaker 1: Or I think the Giants are seventh. Actually in the 2357 01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,120 Speaker 1: second round, where are you going to get the best player? 2358 01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,320 Speaker 1: Can you find an offensive tackically you find a pass rusher, 2359 01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:39,160 Speaker 1: was a corner as a linebacker? Where do you like 2360 01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:41,080 Speaker 1: that value? They're only second round? Yeah, I think if 2361 01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:44,000 Speaker 1: you're comfortable with a certain kind of player at a position, 2362 01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:47,160 Speaker 1: like Dalton Riser from Kansas State offensive tackle, if you're 2363 01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:50,200 Speaker 1: comfortable playing him at offensive tackle. Some people think he's 2364 01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:51,760 Speaker 1: a guard, right, A lot of people want to kick 2365 01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:54,800 Speaker 1: him inside the guard. That's where I feel like he's 2366 01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:57,120 Speaker 1: got a realistic chance to be there, and if he is, 2367 01:46:57,320 --> 01:46:58,800 Speaker 1: that makes a ton of sense to me. I think 2368 01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:00,800 Speaker 1: he's a plug and play type guy. And speaking of 2369 01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:02,160 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, he came into the Senior Bowl in 2370 01:47:02,160 --> 01:47:04,559 Speaker 1: mission with thirty four and charms. We were expecting thirty 2371 01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:07,000 Speaker 1: two and a half thirty three, so that there's a 2372 01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:10,479 Speaker 1: big debate always on the merits of arm length, but 2373 01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:12,479 Speaker 1: it does matter to a certain degree, especially with a 2374 01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:15,160 Speaker 1: guy like Riisener, because he doesn't have the quickest feet, 2375 01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:17,679 Speaker 1: so he needs to have that extension to be able 2376 01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:20,479 Speaker 1: to to widen those angles and really put pressure on 2377 01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:22,840 Speaker 1: pass rushers to turn it tight angles. And he does 2378 01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:24,320 Speaker 1: that pretty well. Final one from me, and then I'll 2379 01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:26,960 Speaker 1: let Paul get his last one in really quickly. Last 2380 01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:29,600 Speaker 1: year we saw so many good interior offensive lineman that 2381 01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:31,400 Speaker 1: her name has got pushed down, Like Paul said, Right, 2382 01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:34,560 Speaker 1: Isaiah Win, Daniels, Tomaio, all those kids went high. I 2383 01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:37,479 Speaker 1: think we see something similar with the offensive tackle classes 2384 01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:40,000 Speaker 1: this year. Right, you got Joonah Williams, you got Juana Taylor, 2385 01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:42,920 Speaker 1: you got Cody Ford, you got Greg Little, you got Dillard, 2386 01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:45,320 Speaker 1: you got Risner. I think that's probably the top six 2387 01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:49,800 Speaker 1: offensive tackles, or did I miss somebody just from West Virginia. Okay, well, okay, 2388 01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:51,400 Speaker 1: so I'll put him in that group. Then you got 2389 01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:54,439 Speaker 1: seven guys. If I made you put money on the 2390 01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:57,680 Speaker 1: table right now, are one of those seven available when 2391 01:47:57,760 --> 01:47:59,240 Speaker 1: the Giants pick in the second round, then tell me 2392 01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:00,840 Speaker 1: a little bout good jo because we've been talking much 2393 01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:04,120 Speaker 1: about it. Yes, okay, I say money down, Yes, because 2394 01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:06,160 Speaker 1: the defensive talent really is gonna push a lot of 2395 01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:10,120 Speaker 1: this down. There's I think your big hurdle is what 2396 01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:11,880 Speaker 1: do the Houston Texans decided to do at the end 2397 01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:14,160 Speaker 1: of the first round that to believe they're picking twenty four, 2398 01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:16,439 Speaker 1: they're gonna pick an offensive tackle. It's just who and 2399 01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:20,280 Speaker 1: is it somebody that categorizes as a guard? Potentially? You're right, uh, 2400 01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:22,920 Speaker 1: because just is not the most flexible in his hips, 2401 01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:26,800 Speaker 1: but he's fairly athletic. He blocks well in space, He's 2402 01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:28,920 Speaker 1: very long armed. He might have the most powerful punched 2403 01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:30,840 Speaker 1: in the class. Him and Cody Ford are those two 2404 01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:32,559 Speaker 1: guys from me that just pack a ton of power 2405 01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:36,720 Speaker 1: in their hands. And uh, he is very scrappy. I 2406 01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:39,639 Speaker 1: really like that about him. I think his sweet yes, 2407 01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:41,840 Speaker 1: his sweet spots between thirty five and fifty for me, 2408 01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:45,960 Speaker 1: sounds like I gotta look at him. Yeah, like I 2409 01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:48,240 Speaker 1: I know of him. I haven't looked at him yet, though, 2410 01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:50,800 Speaker 1: that'd be cool, all right. My final one was actually 2411 01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:54,639 Speaker 1: pretty simple, Um, who do you besides Kyler Murray who 2412 01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:57,920 Speaker 1: everyone was intrigued with? Who were you most curious to 2413 01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:01,719 Speaker 1: be seeing when you've got out here this week? Besides 2414 01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:04,479 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray? Because everybody says he's the most intriguing guy 2415 01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:06,960 Speaker 1: in this In this I mean, it's the the whole 2416 01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:11,280 Speaker 1: narrative really stems from Kyler Murray and and the intrigue 2417 01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:13,920 Speaker 1: of this year's classes, the quarterbacks, and we want to 2418 01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,000 Speaker 1: box it in that way, but it's too easy to 2419 01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:20,080 Speaker 1: see the quarterback. Yeah, I'm looking at a guy like 2420 01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:24,040 Speaker 1: dk Metcalf at all miss who not today at six 2421 01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:29,560 Speaker 1: And don't be surprised if that forty time is a 2422 01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:32,840 Speaker 1: four three something, if he runs a four three, no, 2423 01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm not do not be surprised. That's all I'm gonna say. Kyle, 2424 01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:39,439 Speaker 1: great stuff, my friend. Say let's talk to again as 2425 01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:41,560 Speaker 1: we move forwarong the draft process Kyle Crash in the 2426 01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:43,360 Speaker 1: Draft Network going, by the way, go check out the 2427 01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:45,640 Speaker 1: Draft network dot com. They got a great tool to 2428 01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:48,160 Speaker 1: create your own big board, use that big board that 2429 01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:50,360 Speaker 1: predict the big board, and you can create your own 2430 01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:53,160 Speaker 1: mock drafts and then figure out who the Giants are 2431 01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:55,559 Speaker 1: gonna pick over the course of their selections. Right, Yes, 2432 01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:58,640 Speaker 1: that's correct. Make yourself get some time though to do it, 2433 01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:01,479 Speaker 1: because you're gonna We're gonna be Amara, You're gonna be 2434 01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:04,120 Speaker 1: and would be a lot of fun to check that 2435 01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:05,639 Speaker 1: out over the course of the draft season. And we'll 2436 01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:07,920 Speaker 1: have John Ledyard from the Draft Network on tomorrow as well. 2437 01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:10,080 Speaker 1: Thank you, Kyle. We'll be back with Madeline Burke to 2438 01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:12,720 Speaker 1: wrap things up from Indianapolis right after this. We're back here, 2439 01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,679 Speaker 1: big book, back at the NFL Combine, Indianapolis. John Schmulk 2440 01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:18,040 Speaker 1: palled Detino. We're John by Madeline bark the third member 2441 01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:21,040 Speaker 1: of our team out here doing yeoman's work getting things 2442 01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:23,960 Speaker 1: ready here at the NFL Combine. Madeline, how are you great? Great? 2443 01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,240 Speaker 1: Another great day in Indianapolis. We've got a lot going on. 2444 01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:28,439 Speaker 1: They're setting up the bench press over here. It's gonna 2445 01:50:28,439 --> 01:50:31,400 Speaker 1: get going in a few minutes. The offensive linemen are 2446 01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:33,920 Speaker 1: going to get their reps in and Giant Strength coach 2447 01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:36,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Wellman is actually part of that process as well. 2448 01:50:36,439 --> 01:50:38,560 Speaker 1: So we're going to talk to him later about what 2449 01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:40,640 Speaker 1: he gets to see in the access he gets in 2450 01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:42,160 Speaker 1: that inside. It will be a bunch of Yeah, he 2451 01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:45,200 Speaker 1: did that last year as well, yea a couple of years. 2452 01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:47,280 Speaker 1: He's very good at yelling numbers, which is kind of 2453 01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:49,840 Speaker 1: like the big part of that, right, he's got to project, 2454 01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,960 Speaker 1: you know, people want to know and that he handles 2455 01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,880 Speaker 1: it well if you're gonna be any weird and and 2456 01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:58,000 Speaker 1: trust me, we are, we're not far by the way, 2457 01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:01,320 Speaker 1: actually need them for me, but you need a fulwhelming 2458 01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,640 Speaker 1: to for for that deal. Yeah, it's interesting too. He 2459 01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:05,200 Speaker 1: was telling me. I saw him at the in the 2460 01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:06,800 Speaker 1: hotel lobby the other day and he was telling me 2461 01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:09,920 Speaker 1: about how, you know, it gives him a good perspective 2462 01:51:10,439 --> 01:51:13,000 Speaker 1: talking to these guys and seeing how these players interact 2463 01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:15,360 Speaker 1: like kind of behind the scenes as this all is 2464 01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:18,160 Speaker 1: going on. So it's an interesting insight for the Giants 2465 01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:20,439 Speaker 1: organization for sure. By the way, you hear then in 2466 01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:22,080 Speaker 1: the background they're getting the bench rest ready to go, 2467 01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:24,519 Speaker 1: so they are, and that, by the way, there's Mr 2468 01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:26,680 Speaker 1: Little Greg little guy you were just talking about, and 2469 01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:34,400 Speaker 1: he's not little, Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, that lett. I 2470 01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:36,840 Speaker 1: know you've, uh, if not had a chance to talk 2471 01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:39,280 Speaker 1: to all the Scouts and some of the Giants folks 2472 01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:41,040 Speaker 1: who have been around you certainly have had a chance 2473 01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:43,160 Speaker 1: to talk to some of them. They're not telling you 2474 01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:45,360 Speaker 1: what the picks are gonna be, but but are they 2475 01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:48,800 Speaker 1: giving you a flavor about what is exciting the ever, 2476 01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:51,200 Speaker 1: what is maybe a little different about this combine than 2477 01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:53,000 Speaker 1: some of the others they've been to. You know, we're 2478 01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:54,799 Speaker 1: actually we're gonna be talking to some of the Scouts 2479 01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,120 Speaker 1: later today as well. We'll talk to Chris Pettit and 2480 01:51:57,479 --> 01:51:59,479 Speaker 1: get a little bit more of an insight. It's what 2481 01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:01,559 Speaker 1: goes into of this process. But this is a huge 2482 01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:04,320 Speaker 1: day for the Scouts in general, and it's you know, 2483 01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:06,360 Speaker 1: a time for all of them to come together because 2484 01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:08,760 Speaker 1: as you guys know, during the year, they're all over 2485 01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:11,360 Speaker 1: the country, they're trattered, they're scattered. So this is a 2486 01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:13,960 Speaker 1: time where the brain trust of the Giants front office 2487 01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,400 Speaker 1: gets together, gets in a room, you know, dinners and 2488 01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:19,080 Speaker 1: and and watching these events and in the suite up 2489 01:52:19,120 --> 01:52:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, watching all these players do their drills, and 2490 01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:23,000 Speaker 1: it's just a time to like kind of form a 2491 01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:26,120 Speaker 1: collective agreement on where they stand in each of these 2492 01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:28,880 Speaker 1: talented kids. Now you chat so you're talking to John 2493 01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:31,240 Speaker 1: Clean earlier, a chance to talk to Jenny Venturous. What 2494 01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:32,920 Speaker 1: kind of inside are you getting from them from what 2495 01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:35,479 Speaker 1: they've been able to fuel out talking to the people 2496 01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:37,360 Speaker 1: here and listening to all the coaches and gms and 2497 01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:39,519 Speaker 1: in some of the players. Yeah, well, Jenny Ranis is great. 2498 01:52:39,640 --> 01:52:42,280 Speaker 1: She's such a talented writer for specially Trust Traded Um. 2499 01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:45,640 Speaker 1: And you know, obviously Kyler Murray was the conversation. As 2500 01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:48,439 Speaker 1: we saw earlier today. He measured in at five ten. 2501 01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:51,280 Speaker 1: So personally, I'm a little excited that I'm the exact 2502 01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:53,839 Speaker 1: same height. I could also be an elite quarterback apparently, 2503 01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:57,760 Speaker 1: so but uh and uh, you know, Jenny was talking 2504 01:52:57,800 --> 01:52:59,600 Speaker 1: about that, and you know the kind of access and 2505 01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:02,640 Speaker 1: and what her experience is like because we see it 2506 01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:05,839 Speaker 1: from you know, so many different perspectives. And then John Clayton, 2507 01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:10,680 Speaker 1: this is his NFL combine thirty years coming to this 2508 01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,200 Speaker 1: and he has watched this evolve over the years. The 2509 01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:17,639 Speaker 1: first year he was here, there were seven credentialed media members. 2510 01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:20,479 Speaker 1: This year there's fourteen hundred. And you know the story 2511 01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:23,639 Speaker 1: that he tells about the early days of the NFL 2512 01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:25,439 Speaker 1: Combine is a good one. You're gonna want to check 2513 01:53:25,479 --> 01:53:28,320 Speaker 1: out that inside or dot com, I believe, so it'll 2514 01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:32,200 Speaker 1: go yeah today or tomorrow morning. But John Clayton has 2515 01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:35,040 Speaker 1: got some stories from the old days of the NFL combine, 2516 01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:38,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, we're gonna have Tony Pauline on tomorrow. And 2517 01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:39,920 Speaker 1: he was one of the first guys here too. Out 2518 01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:42,000 Speaker 1: there's basically like ten guys walking around. You can talk 2519 01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:44,000 Speaker 1: to anybody you want to and go anywhere you want, 2520 01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,760 Speaker 1: such a free for all. But then they started realizing that, hey, 2521 01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:48,840 Speaker 1: there's media here, so then they try to kind of 2522 01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:52,519 Speaker 1: discourage that by putting the media in this freezing cold 2523 01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:55,519 Speaker 1: room with no heat, no chairs there in there and 2524 01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:58,600 Speaker 1: their down jackets, just waiting for the hope to potentially 2525 01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:02,160 Speaker 1: talk to somebody, and there's like a dozen people doing it. Um. 2526 01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:05,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, these stories, these stories are good ones for 2527 01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:08,720 Speaker 1: what you've seen around the media center. Um, because I 2528 01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:10,519 Speaker 1: know we've all had a chance to walk through here. 2529 01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:14,720 Speaker 1: Who's drawing the biggest crowd so far? Um? You know, 2530 01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:18,040 Speaker 1: it's tough to say because we're really just getting going. 2531 01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:20,760 Speaker 1: You know, the quarterbacks are talking today. Yesterday we saw 2532 01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:24,760 Speaker 1: and they will draw. They will as they always do. 2533 01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:27,400 Speaker 1: And yesterday, you know, we saw the coaches and gms 2534 01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:29,800 Speaker 1: speaking and as you know, like the teams with the 2535 01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:32,480 Speaker 1: bigger storylines had a big draw. Of course, the Steelers 2536 01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:35,000 Speaker 1: with you know, Antonio Brown and Levial Bell in those 2537 01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:38,400 Speaker 1: situations do quite the draw Gruden as well because you 2538 01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:40,640 Speaker 1: know that dynamic with the Raiders and they've got a 2539 01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:43,000 Speaker 1: lot going on there too. So I think it's usually 2540 01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:45,800 Speaker 1: the teams with the biggest storylines around them on a 2541 01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:48,960 Speaker 1: national level are drawing some some serious crowds because at 2542 01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:50,680 Speaker 1: this time we year, people are like, what is going 2543 01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,720 Speaker 1: on with Well, we look forward to seeing your work 2544 01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:55,600 Speaker 1: on Giants dot com and of course all the Giants 2545 01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:58,200 Speaker 1: social media channels as well. Yeah, we'll be doing Snapchat, 2546 01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:00,880 Speaker 1: Giants dot com all that kind stuff all week, and 2547 01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:02,920 Speaker 1: I'll be happing on and joining you guys every once 2548 01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:04,800 Speaker 1: in a while as a well. Absolutely well Madeline again 2549 01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:06,480 Speaker 1: tomorrow and big we'll kick off live on our final 2550 01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:08,480 Speaker 1: live two hour show from twelve to to live from 2551 01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:11,680 Speaker 1: the NFL Combine, Indianapolis, all presented by cores Light. Download 2552 01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:14,200 Speaker 1: the cores Light Awards app to an amazing Giants prizes. 2553 01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:16,360 Speaker 1: Thank you to all our guests. We have a jam 2554 01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:18,120 Speaker 1: pack show coming your way. Tomorrow's O'll make sure you 2555 01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:20,200 Speaker 1: tune in live on giants dot com and noon for 2556 01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:22,840 Speaker 1: Madeline Burke, Paul Detino, I am John Schmilk. We'll see 2557 01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:24,160 Speaker 1: you then. Have a good one everybody,