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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly, he is Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 2: and well, Matt, it's a Monday. The Steelers losing on

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Speaker 2: Sunday twenty to ten to the Jacksonville Jaguars a little

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Speaker 2: lower scoring game than you and I reacted, but we

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Speaker 2: both also predicted Jacksonville. No. I predicted a Jacksonville win.

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Speaker 3: Did you pick up Steeler No, I hade'm winn by

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Speaker 3: two something like that. It was like twenty six. I

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Speaker 3: forget what they were in mid twenties.

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Speaker 2: I do this. I know Tim Benz picked the Steelers

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Speaker 2: did Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I thought this was gonna be an uphill climb

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Speaker 3: and it was. I think the Jags are a really

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Speaker 3: good team. Fifth win in a row. Steelers need to

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Speaker 3: make more plays.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the game was there for them early,

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Speaker 2: in particular to jump on the Jaguars, and they just

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Speaker 2: didn't make the place. No.

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Speaker 3: I mean I thought there were a lot of open receivers,

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Speaker 3: especially in the first half. Deontay in particular, first play

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Speaker 3: of the game was scripted perfectly boom, and you got

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Speaker 3: what you wanted and didn't execute.

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Speaker 2: Wait a second, scripted, perfect script What are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: I heard the fire Matt Canada chance again during the

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Speaker 2: game yesterday. You people are out of your flipping minds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy about it.

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Speaker 2: Open receivers running all around the field and yet the

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinators to blame here for this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: People, you either. I'm just saying, watch the game.

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Speaker 3: As they rewatched this game, is there were plays to

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Speaker 3: be made on offense and they weren't executed. I mean,

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Speaker 3: is did every game this year go that way? Absolutely not?

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Speaker 3: But man, I mean the players have to make plays.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Matt Canada can't hand the ball from Pickett's

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Speaker 3: hand into Deontay's and had him on the hat and say.

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Speaker 2: You work on something all week long. It's your first

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Speaker 2: play of the game. You've run it and practice a

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Speaker 2: number of times to get Okay, here's what we want.

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Speaker 2: This is what we're going, this is what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: It sets up perfectly. Deontay Johnson splits the safeties and

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Speaker 2: the ball. Now he called it a drop.

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Speaker 3: I called a drop. It would have been a difficult.

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Speaker 2: Catch a better pass gets caught in that situation, he

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Speaker 2: had to jump on the run and the ball still,

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of tipped off of his fingertips. That's

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Speaker 2: not even the only one. Pickett missed him in the

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Speaker 2: end zone. That's what that's set up for. Why are

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Speaker 2: you coming off of your primary receiver in that situation.

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Speaker 2: Everything is run to that side to set up that

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Speaker 2: quick slant to open him up because there's picks set

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Speaker 3: Then he moved the safety well to set that up too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so pre snap and at the snap again,

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Speaker 3: I haven't studied it, you know, no end, but looked

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Speaker 3: like he got the look he wanted and it looked

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Speaker 3: like Deontay slipped. But that's because the ball was the.

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Speaker 2: Balls behind him. Yeah, if it's thrown when he first

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Speaker 2: clears the traffic, that's an easy touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: An easy touchdown. It was really late, and I think

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Speaker 3: there is an argument out there. You'd have to ask

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Speaker 3: the coordinators and coaching staff. Should Deontay have just sat down?

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Speaker 3: You know? Was there a miscommunication too, or was it

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Speaker 3: just a bad ball or was it slip? Anything above?

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Speaker 3: It's to be a touch I mean it should be

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Speaker 3: a touch it should be a touchdown. It should be

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Speaker 3: what you wanted, and the player screwed it up.

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Speaker 2: I mean the throat to pickings down on the on

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Speaker 2: the corner route, he's ten yards behind the defensive player.

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Speaker 3: You have to make that throw every time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he tried to. He tried to feather it over

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Speaker 2: top of the defender and it allowed him the more

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Speaker 2: time to recover and get there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean you have to be a better

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Speaker 3: passer in terms of accuracy, feathering the ball, layering the ball,

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Speaker 3: when to you know, when to have timing and without

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Speaker 2: And for whatever reason, and that's just not happening early

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Speaker 2: in games for Kenny Pickett. Now that being said, when

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Speaker 2: he heats up, he gets.

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Speaker 3: Hot, absolutely. I mean he's shown that time and time again.

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Speaker 3: Didn't get that benefit in this one.

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Speaker 2: Now, he did lead to the you know, they got

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Speaker 2: end of the first half, bing bing bing bing bang.

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Speaker 2: You know, they get right down the field in that

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Speaker 3: It, they started the one that ended up in the

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Speaker 3: field goal. Nonsense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, started to thirty two gets a completion to Hayward.

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Speaker 2: Then you get a Jacksonville defensive hole, but that was

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Speaker 2: on a Deontay Johnson eleven yard catch. Then you get

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Speaker 2: this to scramble by picket for nine yards.

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Speaker 3: Which was good to see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the injury.

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Speaker 3: Then the injury, right, you know, it started looking like.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now he's starting to he's getting into.

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Speaker 3: This was probably his best driver, his most rhythmic drive.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you had the field goal drive before

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Speaker 2: that from their own two.

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Speaker 3: Now that one was so that was great. So again,

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Speaker 3: including those, he was starting to play better.

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Speaker 2: And I thought that, you know the way. So the

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Speaker 2: Jaguars get the ball back after the Steelers kicked the

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Speaker 2: field goal to make it six to three. The Jaguars

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Speaker 2: get the defensive holding call on James Pierre, and they

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Speaker 2: and some other things there. They hit some passes, they

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Speaker 2: get down. It's second and six at the Pittsburgh twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin starts calling time outs. Here, there's a minute

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Speaker 2: in seventeen seconds left. Yeah, A he trusted his defense

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Speaker 2: there to get a stop. B That told me he

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Speaker 2: was He's like, okay, our offense is starting to click

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The offense showed me something on that last drive that

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling pretty good about this.

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Speaker 3: I thought the same thing at the time. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: wasn't like, let's just get out of this disaster.

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Speaker 2: No. Yeah, like he could have just let them, you know,

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Speaker 2: let them run the plays out, save the time outs.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Jacksonville scores. They kicked their field goal with thirty

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Speaker 3: Got cost you three points, and yeah, out of.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's it's nine to three here, we'll take that,

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Speaker 2: you know, go. No, the half that he went to be, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he went, hey, I just saw this offense go from

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Speaker 2: we had Deontay opening the end zone and miss it.

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Speaker 3: It would have been maybe the best drive of the year. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean if they complete that.

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Speaker 2: I think he was looking at that, like, we can

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Speaker 2: we get an opportunity here to do something.

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Speaker 3: We're starting to feel what this defense is doing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and quarterbacks eating up and we got open receivers and

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Speaker 3: we're making plays and the run game never was going

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Speaker 2: No, not against that team, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's it had to be a quarterback centric win.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't you know, I mean, not all on the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: but you knew the running game wasn't going to be

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Speaker 3: the foundation of moving the football. And like you said,

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Speaker 3: they were starting to click there a little bit and

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Speaker 3: do some good things. I didn't think the first half

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Speaker 3: was a when you look at disastrous first half of

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Speaker 3: Steelers in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: This was not San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: It was not you know, three and out run into

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Speaker 3: the back of your lineman, No game, do it again,

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Speaker 3: do it again? Find you know, I mean, there was

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Speaker 2: There were stuff to be had. They just didn't do

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Speaker 2: it's starting to click now. Maybe we don't have to

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Speaker 2: wait until the third or fourth quarter to get pick

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Speaker 2: it going here. Maybe this is what's got him going here.

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Speaker 3: And then he gets hurt, and then he gets hurt, right,

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Speaker 3: And this game's brutal because just when you think you

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Speaker 3: have things figured out, ten more hurdles and speed bumps

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Speaker 3: come thrown at you. And of course you didn't think

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Speaker 3: you'd lose Mica or this early, and things of that nature,

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Speaker 3: of course, and things that you draw up as a

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Speaker 3: coach first play the game boy, we got it, and

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Speaker 3: I mean, so that's the way the world works. But

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Speaker 3: we know, see, to me, the difference in the teams

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Speaker 3: were the Jags to me, could have overcome those things

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Speaker 3: had they happened to them. The Steelers can't, you know,

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Speaker 3: whether it's execution, quarterback, whatever. I think that the Jags

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Speaker 3: are the more talented team and they have a really

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Speaker 3: the end of the world, you know. And there's so

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Speaker 3: many ifs to that game. If they don't call that

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Speaker 3: stupid penalty on the field goal, if Deonta catches the

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Speaker 3: biggest iff, or maybe the biggest play of the game

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Speaker 3: bust and it's just a completion and you push him

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Speaker 3: out of bounds, maybe they win this game. But the

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Speaker 3: nature of this team, those ifs don't leave a lot

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Speaker 2: I also say say this, you just mentioned a couple

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Speaker 2: of the questionable officiating things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't help.

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Speaker 2: If there's not If Kean O'Neil.

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Speaker 3: Isn't called the two, the two and the other one

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Speaker 3: is and the other one's not. Like those three officiating

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Speaker 3: calls all hurt awful.

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Speaker 2: They pass interference penalty on James Pierre on Jacksonville's first

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Speaker 2: possession that was thrown not from the official standing right

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Speaker 2: on top of the play, but from one twenty yards

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Speaker 3: Really, I didn't know that till just now.

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Speaker 2: And he came running in and through the flag ten

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Speaker 2: to be sitting standing right in front of the Jaguars's

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Speaker 2: he's standing in the Jaguars bench and came running in

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Speaker 2: to throw the flag well after the play had ended

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Speaker 2: from twenty yards away. Whereas the guy who was there

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Speaker 2: watching it from behind, which is how you would have

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Speaker 2: to see if he hooked him or got over the back,

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Speaker 2: didn't call the flag, didn't didn't throw a penalty. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there was just so many thing things where play penalties

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Speaker 2: were called for things they.

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Speaker 3: Thought they saw. Yeah again and they were game changed.

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Speaker 2: That was on a third downplay. Yeah, that's a third down,

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Speaker 2: third and seven.

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Speaker 3: I need to go back and look at that play that.

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Speaker 2: That James Pierre breaks up the pass on to Calvin Ridley.

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Speaker 2: Steelers are off the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Instead, Jacksonville gets a free first down, they kick, they

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Speaker 2: get on the kicker field goal three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in a tight game and all that stuff. Now,

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Speaker 3: I thought the officials were very poor, and.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was the is the first officiated game

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Speaker 2: I've seen this year. And that is saying something. I'm

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Speaker 2: not even talking about Steeler games, of.

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Speaker 3: All the games. I'm talking about all the games, and

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Speaker 2: Bad crew.

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Speaker 3: It's a bad crew. I mean, the field goal thing

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Speaker 2: You're going thirty one years I have. I have covered

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Speaker 3: Didn't coach like seventeen years.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen, Tomlin said, So I've seen. I've seen

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Speaker 2: I also watch NFL games.

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Speaker 3: That's what I've.

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Speaker 2: Watched, thousands of NFL games. Many of them in person

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Speaker 2: and have never seen that called. Yeah, and it wasn't,

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Speaker 2: And looking at I could understand if it was egregious.

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Speaker 3: And even Ciamalu, who we interviewed is not exactly the

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Speaker 3: And I'm not a conspiracy. I'm not saying the rest

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Speaker 2: And people might say, like I've I've already when I

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Speaker 2: what difference does it make? It just makes it nine,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely matters, definitely matters, just everyone. The game is

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Speaker 2: The game differently from that point. Does Mitch Trubisky da.

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Speaker 3: So I couldn't agree more. I thought the officiating was

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they were better. That doesn't But this season,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so yeah, but Jacksonville, before Trubisky comes in,

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Speaker 2: The only thing keeping Jacksonville in the game was some

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that that's kept not the only thing.

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Speaker 2: But the Steelers were the Steelers offensive mistake. We're keeping

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Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say.

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Speaker 2: They were forcing field goals instead of allowing jack Jacksonville

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Speaker 3: If a genie came out of a bottle in our

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Speaker 2: They muddied things up against the Jaguars and made it difficult.

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Speaker 3: No he didn't. And frankly, that's why the three IF

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Speaker 3: I still don't know who's to blame for that, whether

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Speaker 2: Porter took. Porter took the blame for it. He said

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he was supposed to and man

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Speaker 2: When they had been like earlier in the game, when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't done that.

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Speaker 2: That screamed to me that they were in zone. I

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Speaker 2: But the fifty five yard field goal doesn't happen, doesn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and even if Samal who is called for it,

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Speaker 3: You didn't get any bounces, not one, not one, but boy,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's me. That to me is what it

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Speaker 3: Didn't do it right, and you're not gonna win many

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Speaker 2: And no, folks, it was not on Matt Canada. No again,

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Speaker 3: They had they had a lot of plays to be made.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's plays to be made on the field, Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: mean it just even isn't with scoring being I will

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Speaker 2: At this point last year, the Steelers were averaging I

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Speaker 3: That doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 2: They were. They were dead last and scoring at this

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Speaker 2: So would it surprise me if if all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't shock me, or I wouldn't be wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing open receivers out there. I'm seeing things.

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Speaker 3: Deonta was opening the whole first half, and.

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Speaker 2: We talked about that, like you're gonna run zone against it,

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Speaker 3: That's absolutely there. And if you don't roll stuff to Pickens,

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Speaker 3: You can't take away both, and whoever you choose to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it should have been should have been more

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Speaker 3: More than they should have won your fantasy league for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been. It could have been a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was there for the taking.

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Speaker 2: It was there all day long. Yes, and I get

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Speaker 2: I mean, but that last year was the last year

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Speaker 2: The teachers coming to you and going Okay, what are

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Speaker 3: But I don't think that'll be the the avenue obviously

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Speaker 3: That's not gonna be the way it works. You're gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have to be better than that. I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about the defense when we come back. Matt.

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Speaker 2: If you'd have told me that micka Fitzpatrick only played

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Speaker 3: Of this game, gone and mortgaged the house again too, the.

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Speaker 2: Other way, Yeah, exactly, So let's talk about that in return.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: And Matt if you look at the just look at

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Speaker 2: the numbers and you see, well, the Jaguars had three

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy seven total yards, but look at the

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Speaker 2: Steelers allowed three point five yards per carry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, the run defense was good.

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Speaker 2: The run defense was good. Jacksonville hit the fifty six

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Speaker 2: yard touch pass on the touchdown on the broken play.

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Speaker 2: Outside of that, I mean, none of the receivers went over.

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Speaker 3: I thought Ingram did a lot of damage in the

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Speaker 3: second half.

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Speaker 2: He had ten catches for eighty one yards though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they most of it was most of it

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Speaker 3: was would killed for that.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I get that.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not say it was high level offense,

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Speaker 3: but it was something that Steelers couldn't say it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a bunch of crossers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He had ten catches for eighty eight yards and he

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Speaker 2: had the one thirty four yard catch and run, So

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Speaker 2: on his other nine catches he had thirty five or

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Speaker 2: fifty was fifty three yards on nine catches. There were

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Speaker 2: several times where the Jaguars tried to get that on

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Speaker 2: third down and he got stopped short.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Like I thought, the inside linebackers had a

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Speaker 3: really thought.

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Speaker 2: They were outstanding. I thought they outstanding.

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Speaker 3: But it seems like some people were talking about it,

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Speaker 3: but it seems like it should we talked about more

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Speaker 3: that I thought it was gonna be Frankly, I thought

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Speaker 3: it'd be the weakest part of the team, but I

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Speaker 3: thought it'd be better than last year, where I thought

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Speaker 3: it was the weakest part of the team. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: now I think it's actually becoming a strength. You know.

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Speaker 3: The three of them compliment each other really well, do

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Speaker 3: a lot of different things. You know, like last week

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Speaker 3: was not a big Landon Roberts game. He didn't play

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Speaker 3: a lot of snaps because of the opponents. This week

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Speaker 3: he's out there thumping dudes and you know, really making.

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Speaker 2: It get into the quarterback exactly.

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Speaker 3: I mean you just look at different versatility there.

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Speaker 2: What they did. Hulkom leads them with eleven tackles and

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Speaker 2: a fumble recovery.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's like every week for him.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: It seems like.

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Speaker 2: Roberts has five tackles, a second and a half a

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Speaker 2: tackle for all loss, hit the quarterback twice on and

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Speaker 2: then Alexander didn't play as much, but he has two

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Speaker 2: tackles in a force fumble.

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Speaker 3: But he always shows up when they like all three.

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Speaker 2: Of those guys, if you molded that into you know,

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Speaker 2: just too, if you shrunk get down to just two guys,

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Speaker 2: you'd be like, oh, they had really good games. But

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Speaker 2: since it's spread over three, I think people don't talk

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Speaker 2: about a.

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Speaker 3: Really good game. Yeah, I mean the the inside linebacker spot.

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Speaker 3: And needless to say, that stat line is better than

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Speaker 3: all last year combined.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, A force fumble, a fumble recovery, a sack,

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Speaker 2: and that's all better than what you had a last year.

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Speaker 3: One sack from that position.

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Speaker 2: Last year, no fumbles, no force fumbles, no fumble recoveries.

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Speaker 3: No picks, none of that kind of stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 3: rarely got their ball with their hands on the ball

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Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form. So no, that position

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Speaker 3: has been really good. Oh no, I thought the defense

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Speaker 3: was fine. Better than that, the defense was quite good.

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Speaker 2: The defense was good enough to win the game.

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Speaker 3: I would have loved to see Menca for sixty minutes.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting because what they had coming out of

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Speaker 2: the gate for Minca was he was matched up man

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Speaker 2: and man on Christian Kirk in passing. In passing situations

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Speaker 2: like if it's third down, Minca was on Christian Kirk.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and there's been their go to receivers. Yeah, heither

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Speaker 3: been their target dog. Yeah. And that was obviously part

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Speaker 3: of the game.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to see that all day long. Now, Kirk

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Speaker 2: still didn't have a big game, No, but when he

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Speaker 2: who when he leaves the game, there's a ripple. If

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Speaker 2: you can't do what you came into the game wanting

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Speaker 2: to do, you now you have to adjust.

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Speaker 3: See I was even thinking about it. I reference the

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Speaker 3: Ingram stuff like maybe in the second half, your second

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Speaker 3: half adjustment is.

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Speaker 2: Go take Ingram instead of you. A lot of times

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Speaker 2: it was keanneil on him. Couldn't run with him.

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Speaker 3: Now Ingram just a better athlete and better affort you know,

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Speaker 3: he's gonna run away from him. Where That's the beauty

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Speaker 3: of Fitzpatrick this year in particular, is this is going wrong,

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Speaker 3: Hey make it, go fix it. He's a fireman.

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Speaker 2: You know, people are going to like people around the

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Speaker 2: league are gonna look at this because he doesn't have

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Speaker 2: any interceptions.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's having a bad years, might be having his

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Speaker 2: best year, and.

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Speaker 3: He's doing the most stuff and he's putting out the

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Speaker 3: most fires.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, I mean he's he's holding their defense together.

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Speaker 2: So you take you take him out of the equation,

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Speaker 2: you're already missing Cam Hayward like to go out there

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Speaker 2: and limit that Jaguars team to twenty points. In that situation,

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Speaker 2: down lasted. I mean it was it was he got

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Speaker 2: hurt in the second series.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew it was like ten.

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Speaker 2: It was actually so he played. He played the first series,

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Speaker 2: so that was six plays. Then he got hurt on

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Speaker 2: the first play of the second possessions on a sack.

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Speaker 2: So they got seven snaps out of make of Fitzpatrick

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Speaker 2: and limited that offense to twenty points.

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Speaker 3: As great as what is, I think there's a conversation

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Speaker 3: of who you'd rather lose. I mean, the secondary without

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Speaker 3: Maca is on fire. You know where the edges well,

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Speaker 3: I think there's some things you could live with Golden

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Speaker 3: or Herbank.

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Speaker 2: Since we have a short week this week, we might

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Speaker 2: as we'll get into this a little bit. CAZy and

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Speaker 2: Neil have played together a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were.

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Speaker 2: They were together in Atlanta, then they were together in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Now they're together here. So these two, these two have

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Speaker 2: played I think Neil's in his eighth year, in seven

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Speaker 2: of the or six of those eight seasons, he has

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Speaker 2: played with KZ. They were the starting unit in Atlanta

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Speaker 2: for a couple of seasons. So those two have a

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Speaker 2: pretty good understanding of how to work together. I think

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Speaker 2: with k Z, you're just going to see him he's

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Speaker 2: just going to play deep center field. Now, that's what that's,

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Speaker 2: that's what that's basically, that's basically what he's been doing

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Speaker 2: anyways to allow Menca to do with the other stuff. Uh. Now,

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Speaker 2: Neil is your strong safety, so he's doing the strong

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Speaker 2: safety type stuff. And they also went with that three

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Speaker 2: safety package this past week. Uh, and they stuck with

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Speaker 2: that even after losing Minka Fitzpatrick. They stuck with the

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Speaker 2: three safety package because Jacksonville was going to try to

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Speaker 2: run the ball so much. So you saw Miles Killerbrew

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Speaker 2: come in and took a cornerback off the field.

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Speaker 3: In those situations, I would think you drift away from

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Speaker 3: that now to a degree terrible. But I don't think

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Speaker 3: you want to trust a safety depth as much.

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Speaker 2: But Mike, Mike Tomlins said today, Oh I didn't hear

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Speaker 2: that that Joey Porter Jr. Has earned a spot. He's

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Speaker 2: he's deserves to start moving forward.

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Speaker 3: I think that's great. And then do I mean so

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Speaker 3: he's the left corner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you get Levi Wallace back this week potentially

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Speaker 2: there's a good chance of that. So Patrick Peterson, as

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Speaker 2: we saw in training camp at played a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of now you can finally safety stuff, right yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: So do you think he'll be the slot like in

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Speaker 3: base nickel?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think instead of going to the three

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Speaker 2: safety look necessarily, maybe you go with that that third

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Speaker 2: safety is instead Patrick Peterson in those situations.

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Speaker 3: Since done some of that stuff, you know, where he

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Speaker 3: would be the slot in nickel at times, but he

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Speaker 3: would also sometimes drop back at safety, you know. So no,

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Speaker 3: the Peterson role was better suited for him, no question,

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Speaker 3: and I think works out well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm maybe maybe this is a situation where,

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Speaker 2: you know, DeAndre Hopkins caught his first three touchdown passes

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Speaker 2: as a Houston Texan this weekend. Maybe he just let

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Speaker 2: the two old guys go battle it out.

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Speaker 3: Out and the old men follow each other around.

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Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that if anybody should know

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Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins, it would be Patrick Peters. So they were, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they practiced against each other on a daily basis. If

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Speaker 2: anybody knows all of DeAndre hopkins tricks, it should be

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Speaker 2: Patrick Peterson, and Hopkins isn't going to run away from him.

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Speaker 3: I assume this is where you're going. It's like you

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Speaker 3: wouldn't say, well, Pat Pe, why don't you follow Tyreek around?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, that's not I'm not interested in that. But

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Speaker 2: this match up now, I'm interested in it.

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Speaker 3: There's either one of you run a four to six anymore,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. But you both have the head and

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Speaker 3: you're both gonna battle it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I hadn't thought it.

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Speaker 2: I've been really because I don't know that I'm super

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Speaker 2: interested in watching DeAndre Hopkins go to work against Joey

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Speaker 2: Porter Junior. As good as I think Joey Porter Jr.

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Speaker 2: Is he creates contact. This is what this guy does.

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Speaker 2: He lives for contact.

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Speaker 3: And Levis has shown through one game chuck it up. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean interesting, Levis note because I just want to

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Speaker 3: make sure we get this out there before this week.

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Speaker 3: They did some interesting stuff with him in that Atlanta

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Speaker 3: played such a heavy zone because they didn't respect the kids.

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Speaker 3: You know, if he picks us apart, so be it.

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Speaker 3: Well he kind of did, But what the Titans did

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Speaker 3: was twenty five percent of his snack of his throws

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Speaker 3: were behind the line of scrimmage and twenty five percent

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Speaker 3: of them were bombs away.

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Speaker 2: I mean, just take a shot.

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Speaker 3: Deandre's down there, Just go chuck it, kid, you know,

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Speaker 3: have that big strong arm. But he didn't do a

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Speaker 3: lot of quarterbacking stuff. Yeah, you know, I mean his

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Speaker 3: first start ever, he's a rookie. I mean that's it

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Speaker 3: was good coaching. It was either chuck it or just

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Speaker 3: fire behind it.

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Speaker 2: I don't I would be interested to know, and they'll

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Speaker 2: never admit this. If this was a similar game script

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Speaker 2: to what they put together for Malik Willis when he

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Speaker 2: has started, because he throws the ball, they would have

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Speaker 2: they had him throwing the ball behind the line scrimmage

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Speaker 2: a lot, and maybe he just wasn't taking the.

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Speaker 3: Shots maybe or as good at it.

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Speaker 2: Because that's where I mean, if you look at his

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Speaker 2: yard is, it's two hundred and thirty eight yards, but

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Speaker 2: like more than half of that came when a touchdown

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Speaker 2: passes the DeAndre Hopkins the fields. Yeah, yeah, just chucking

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Speaker 2: it down there, and Hopkins made some plays.

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Speaker 3: The offense success rate is a way of judging down

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Speaker 3: after down success. You know, if you have a great

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Speaker 3: play and ten crappy ones, you have a bad success, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Titans had a bad success rate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they just happened to come down with

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Speaker 2: the fifty to fifty.

660
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: Right, and that's great. I mean, that's why you pay Hopkins,

661
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: that's why you go get them. That's why you draft

662
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: Levis in the second round because he'll let it fly

663
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: and let players be players. But they didn't nickel and

664
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: dimy to death. Yeah, I mean they made big plays,

665
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: but good.

666
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: They did get one hundred yards out of Henry. Yeah,

667
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: you know, the Steelers. I still think going into this game,

668
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: it's weird to talk.

669
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: About the Titans because they might not look the same

670
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: the days they They might.

671
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: Might they might not trade any I mean out they're

672
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: they're in again at three and four. Yeah, you know,

673
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: Jacksonville is firmly entrenches oh their leader, not the vision

674
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: the playoffs, and they might they might end up being

675
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: the number one seed.

676
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: They could be considering the two what they have left

677
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: or yeah. Yeah, so this isn't super interesting, but I

678
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: did kind of just the state of the AFC. Every

679
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: team has between two and six wins, Every team has

680
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: between two and six losses. Like, there's no garbage, there's

681
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: no elite. I mean, there's not that big. I mean

682
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 3: there are, but I mean statistically is standing wise, I mean,

683
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: there's some bad teams, don't get me wrong, but they're

684
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: not one win teams, zero win teams in this conference.

685
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: There's not a seven and one team. And frankly the

686
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: Steelers right in the middle. They have they're close to

687
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: the six win teams as they are to the two

688
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: win teams. You know, they're four.

689
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, although right now if you look at

690
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: the conference standings, they're the best four win.

691
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: Team in terms of going to the playoffs.

692
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: In terms of going to the playoffs.

693
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: They said to hurt them because it's.

694
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: An AFC loss, but they're still they're four and three.

695
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: They're a half game behind Buffalo for the five spot.

696
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: They were in the five spot going into this past weekend.

697
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: Okay, so they only fell from the five to six.

698
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Baltimore even though they won, is in the four seed.

699
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: They're six and all four division winners are six and two.

700
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: If the Steelers win on Thursday, yeah, they bump up

701
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: to the five spot because because Buffalo's two and three

702
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: in the conference.

703
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: Okay, so you have to say, I mean the conference stuff.

704
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: I think they play Cincinnati this week, like since this

705
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: is gonna be a problem for Cincinnati.

706
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: They look great, but they did themselves ale.

707
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: Cincinnati's zero and three in the conference.

708
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

709
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like this is a huge game this week between

710
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: the Bills and Bengals. Huge.

711
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: I mean, what a statement win for the Bengals. But

712
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: you'd rather it was against the Bills, right, you know.

713
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, if you go into this and say, well,

714
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: you're only gonna win one of these, you'd rather have

715
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: been against.

716
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: Buffalousand thousand, right, because they are in the hole and

717
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: they look great, but it's gonna be a tough hole

718
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: to get out of.

719
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: That's kind of shocked. Like there's an old gambling thing,

720
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: always bet against a concussed quarterback when in his first

721
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: game back. I can't believe that they got party through

722
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 2: concussion protocol. He went in on Wednesday and got him through,

723
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: and in started him on Sunday. He looked awful.

724
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: We all thought, there's no chance this guy's going to play.

725
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: Like you got. You practiced with Darnold as your quarterback

726
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: all week long. You'd have been better off starting that game.

727
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: What I was thinking too, it was like we've seen

728
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: this a couple of times with Tua, you know, or.

729
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: You rush these guys back. Yeah, the head's still a

730
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: little foggy at.

731
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: That position where you have to be so sharp because

732
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: say what you want about party. Mental quickness is kind

733
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: of his back. Same with Tua. I mean, it's all process, process,

734
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: get it out, get it out. If you're amidge a

735
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: millisecond slow.

736
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: Some of the stuff he threw, I was like, wow, yeah,

737
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: he might still be concussed.

738
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And again, how much did he practice this week? Yeah,

739
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: I mean that's a hard situation. I bet they were

740
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: ret that and really it's a little bit of a

741
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: pass for party. But hey, I was just goncussed a

742
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: couple of days ago. I mean, give me a break.

743
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: And last party note, I don't know. We're not here

744
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: to talk party as much. But even last year, he

745
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: he had more than his share of what does PFF

746
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: call it interceptible passes or turnover worthy. It didn't get

747
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: caught and he was really lucky with it. And in

748
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: terms of his percentage this year, you knew that was

749
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: going to come back to roost. But it's coming back

750
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: to roost.

751
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: One other thing I thought that the Steelers defense did

752
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: on Sunday well, and this was something I think we

753
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: talked about it last night. I know, I know. I

754
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: texted it to you Friday night. I talked on the air.

755
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: I talked about it for sure on the pregame show.

756
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: Jacksonville put the ball on the ground fifteen times going

757
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: into that game, and they put it on the ground

758
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: two more times in this when the Steelers recovered him.

759
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: Both they did a great job of getting the ball out.

760
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: And this is what happens when the quarterbacks getting rid

761
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: of the football in two point one seconds. You see

762
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: a lot of drops, yeah, and you see a lot

763
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: of fumbles.

764
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I mean Welker is always the top

765
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 3: of the league and drops because what's coming out now,

766
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 3: and against linebackers, there's some of the faults there. Yeah, no,

767
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: you're right.

768
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: So I think, you know, I thought that the Steelers

769
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: did take advantage of that, you know, they they did

770
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: force a couple of those fumbles and got on them.

771
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: I think that's knowing your opponent, and you know, hey,

772
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: this team will put the ball on the ground.

773
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might not get a lot of sacks, you

774
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: might not get a lot of quarterback hits by Steeler standards,

775
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: because the ball is coming out, But you also know

776
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: that get there and maybe the ball isn't quite put away.

777
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: Run to the football too. That's that's all part of that.

778
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: You know, you might say, well that's fumble luck. No,

779
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: if you've got guys running.

780
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: To the ball, still better than others.

781
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: But if you've got team guys running to the ball,

782
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: when that ball springs free, you're gonna have guys around

783
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: it and you'll probably get on it.

784
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: I mean, of course, across the league there is a

785
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: such thing as fumble luck. But teams that loaf aren't

786
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: going to give as many fumbles the teams that don't.

787
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no doubt about that.

788
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: So I thought the Steelers defense was again opportunistic, just

789
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: didn't add up to a win in yesterday's game.

790
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: I mean, the ATN blown coverage was the play of

791
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: the game to me. It was huge, Yeah, I mean

792
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: huge game like that. The team like that'll make you pay.

793
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: They got a lot of weapons.

794
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: Because the Steelers then't came back right away and scored

795
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: right after that, just to get it back to a

796
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: one score game again. But you know, yeah, even with

797
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: all the stuff that happened, even with all the you know,

798
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: there was also and I don't know what the TV

799
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: replayed showed on this one. There was the Antonine Harrison

800
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: had a holding penalty late in the first quarter, and

801
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: it was right after what right after ke On O'Neil's

802
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: roughing the passer penalty and Porter on the same play

803
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: I called for a face mask along the sideline. It

804
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: looked like Porter was the one getting his face mask

805
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: grabbed as they were going to the ground. I couldn't

806
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: see what happened as they went to the ground, but

807
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: it sure as hell didn't look like a face mask.

808
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 3: I'll be honest. I mean, usually by the drive on

809
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: my day, I've watched the game twice, but I'm condensing

810
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 3: five days into three.

811
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: Right, just a little tough this week. And but from

812
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: one of the replays that I saw, and it was

813
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 2: it was Atn on a run, it looked like ATN

814
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: had grabbed Porter's face masks and then they went as

815
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: they were going to the ground, I couldn't tell if

816
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: Porter got his hand on the on on Atn's face

817
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: mask or.

818
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: Not definitely touched it. I would like to rewatch it

819
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: before really comment. I'm sure some people out there are like, oh,

820
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 3: it was easy. I mean, but I don't remember thinking, oh,

821
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 3: that's a slam dunk call whenever I watched it live.

822
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one, that one, uh took the holding penalty off.

823
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: That was from the Pittsburgh twenty three. Now that being said,

824
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 2: the Ingram fumble came right after that and the Steelers

825
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: recovered it, so that one didn't hurt.

826
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 3: It didn't end up costing points, right, But just another

827
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: curious call. That another one that probably could have just

828
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 3: kept the flag in your pocket.

829
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if they both got ahold of the.

830
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: Side. Note, I'm not here to just a complain about refs.

831
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 3: We don't do much of that. But okay, maybe by

832
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 3: the letter of the law on the Neil sack, but

833
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 3: don't you think that rule was built for when Vincent

834
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: will four kits you and not the ninety pound defensive back.

835
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: He didn't land on him, Well, I thought that's what

836
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: they called was I.

837
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: Asked Kean O'Neil after the game and like, did you

838
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: get an explanation on that? And he said no, maybe

839
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: announcers I watched he did not land with his body

840
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: on him at one I owed it. In fact, he

841
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: pulled off of him and landed on the side.

842
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 3: What they were calling maybe if anything.

843
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: If anything, gatsis landed with his full body weight.

844
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm picking so too right, And I just.

845
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: Think he hit him too hard, honestly. I mean I

846
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: know that he hit him too hard, and you see

847
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: the flags come out on that stuff sometimes when these

848
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: guys hit people too hard, which.

849
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: I'm actually more and more cool with. Because sixty nine

850
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: starting quarterbacks last year, Tyler Badget starting, we.

851
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: Were on forty two through this week.

852
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: I said, it's insane already, so be unbelievably protective of quarterbacks. Well,

853
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: then protect Henny. I mean both. I mean, that's that's.

854
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: That's my problem. Like, Okay, if you're gonna call that one,

855
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 2: how do you not call the other one?

856
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean we had Danny DeVito's brother playing for

857
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: the Giant. I mean about setting football back. I mean,

858
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: we can't have this as a league.

859
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: The Giants had seven passing yards, he had one. They

860
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: had seven for the game.

861
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the game. They had twenty six punts in

862
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: that game.

863
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: I think more than more punts than points. This is

864
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: the This is why, like.

865
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 3: It's crumbling fast when you're scoring.

866
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: When when somebody scores on something, don't take it off

867
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: the board. What are you doing.

868
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the points are points are quarterback stuff.

869
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: So night, I mean, we just lost Cousins. Stafford got hurt,

870
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: pick It got hurt. I'm trying to think who else?

871
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: I mean, the Giants, the Browns, they're on their third

872
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 3: quarterback already. Yeah, eight starting court. Eight rookie starting quarterbacks.

873
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: I think see another one this week.

874
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: Who's that love us? Now? Oh? Levis was actually the

875
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: seventh rookie starter. There's only how many draft in the

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Speaker 3: first round and he was the second round. I mean,

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Speaker 3: like these it's brutal right.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the protect them like crazy, but protect them all.

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Speaker 2: which is a football signed by Kenny Pickett. In today's question,

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Speaker 2: Franco Harris or Hines Ward, most touchdown scorers scored in

901
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: their career as a Steeler. Doing for Hines, you were

902
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 2: consistently wrong.

903
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: I bet he's played longer as my thought, and they

904
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: played more games. He's a running though. I know running

905
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Speaker 3: backs have the edge there. That's why I was torn. Anyway,

906
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: this isn't even a Titans Oilers question.

907
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: It's not we're not there yet wearing ys so ray

908
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: Fito Paulo mentioned today in the in the media room,

909
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: we're sitting over there on the on the the upmc

910
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: rooney Sports Complex before the Tomlin Prescoffe The NFL is

911
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: telling the Houston Texans they're not allowed to where the

912
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: Oilers throwback uniforms and like, because they're not the.

913
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: Oilers, a different organization.

914
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Oilers are the Tennessee Titans. They're the team

915
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Speaker 2: that moved to Nashville. They're the team that was but

916
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: adams team. But Adams took to his team and moved

917
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: to there. He said, well, what we aren't they you know, like.

918
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: The Browns could have that argument though too well. But

919
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 3: the Browns.

920
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: So when Art Modell left Cleveland, yes, he gave up

921
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: all rights to that, to the Browns stuff, trademarks, all

922
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: that stuff that was that was part of the that

923
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: was part of the agreement. When Bud Adams moved, he

924
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 2: didn't give up the Oilers history.

925
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Speaker 3: So the Titans, Yeah, the.

926
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Speaker 2: Titans history is still the Oilers history. The Uston Texas

927
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: have nothing to do with that. That would be like

928
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens trying to throw to where.

929
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: Colts throwbacks that. Yeah, exactly, It's funny because knows I

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Speaker 3: do my stat pack. But the thing we don't talk

931
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Speaker 3: much about it is there's a series history thing that

932
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Speaker 3: I did, and I always do that, like a week

933
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Speaker 3: in advance. Well, this one coming up kind of fun

934
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Speaker 3: because it's like, well they became they started in here

935
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Speaker 3: and they were in the division and they were the

936
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Speaker 3: Houston Oilers.

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Speaker 2: Then they were the Tennessee Oilers. People forget that one year.

938
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Speaker 2: One year I.

939
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Speaker 3: Thought it was.

940
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Speaker 2: I think it's maybe it's two.

941
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Speaker 3: I think it's two looking back at it, because the

942
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 3: first year they played in Memphis, I forgot where they played.

943
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Speaker 2: Because I've seen I've now I've seen the Oilers. The

944
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: Steelers play the Oilers at the Astrodome of course. Yeah,

945
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: I saw them play them at the Liberty Bowl in Memphis.

946
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: I saw them play them at uh. They played them

947
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Speaker 2: in Nashville, but it wasn't at the current stadium.

948
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Speaker 3: The soccer stadium.

949
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: No, they played them on Vanderbilts in Vanderbilt Stadium. One well,

950
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: their stadium was getting finished and then they moved into

951
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Speaker 2: their new stadium. So I've seen them play on the

952
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Speaker 2: road in four different places.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, probably twice a year. Two. Well, they were in division, right, right,

954
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 3: they were in a division. So this is a second

955
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Speaker 3: game in a row where it's a former division rival too.

956
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Speaker 3: You know, that had a pretty good history in terms

957
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Speaker 3: of the series history and all that kind of stuff.

958
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 3: So that was fine, and then I think how it went.

959
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: Maybe you'll know this, maybe won't. But I think when

960
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: Houston Texans, the current organization c J Strowd and that

961
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: crew came in the league was it was when they

962
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: reorganized and the Steelers were no longer.

963
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: Because the Browns. The Browns came back in around a

964
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: year or two before that, and so then they had

965
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Speaker 2: to re they.

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Speaker 3: Were no longer divisional foes when the Texans showed up. Crazy, yeah,

967
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: interesting stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a long, long history here of Steelers,

969
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 2: even when they became the Titans and moved to Nashville

970
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: and pre or after they moved out of the division,

971
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Speaker 2: there were still some big games.

972
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Speaker 3: And Eddie George and you oh yeah, yeah. I mean

973
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: they were very physical then too, absolutely the most physical

974
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: downhill Banger teams, Jeff Fisher teams.

975
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 2: That was a team. So I'm standing for what I think.

976
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: I I can't remember why exactly I went over, might

977
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: have been to go interview Kurt a Goal when he

978
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: got back from the Olympics after winning the the gold

979
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: medal over there and I had to go. I had

980
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: to go interview him. I was walking through the tunnels

981
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 2: with them. So I'm over by where the visitors come

982
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: out of their their locker room at three of Her Stadium,

983
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: and they had to come out of a out of

984
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: the locker room, and then they walked down a ramp

985
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: to get down to the to the floor level to

986
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: the field level, and I'm standing down there and I'm

987
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: watching the oiler, the oilers at that time, I think

988
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: they were still the Oilers coming out of the locker room.

989
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: Maybe it was the Titans. Either way, they weren't blue.

990
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: And John Henderson and Marcus Stroud kept walking out first

991
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: and like, oh my god. Or those two guys big, yeah,

992
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 2: I mean they blotted out the sun. Those two were

993
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: so big, and you just didn't run against that team.

994
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 3: No. And Eddie George was a specimen too. My last

995
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: year at Pitt we had hired Ohio States length coach

996
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: and there was a week every year that all the

997
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: old Ohio State greats came to work out with Dave

998
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 3: Kennedy who was a strength coach, and it was George

999
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: and Galloway and all those dudes, and you know, I'd

1000
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 3: be on the treadmill in the corner just kind of

1001
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 3: paying attention, like these aren't our pit guys. It's like,

1002
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I always thought about like Eddie, George and

1003
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: bettis we like the same era? Yeah, they couldn't have

1004
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: been any different body types. One was an underwear They

1005
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: might have weighed the same, right, I don't know who

1006
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 3: I'd rather tackle, but neither would have been fun. One

1007
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 3: looked like an underwear model, Greek god. The other one didn't.

1008
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: But I would not want to tackle either one of them. Yeah,

1009
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 3: they were the faces of the team back then. They

1010
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 3: were physical dudes.

1011
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: Those those teams had some knockdown, drag.

1012
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 3: Out yeah battles. Just Derrick Henry dude doesn't look like

1013
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 3: much fun if you know. No, Campbell had some big backs,

1014
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: like the Steelers get.

1015
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: Him before he gets rolling. Yeah, So that is the

1016
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: key to that this week.

1017
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: But it's a fun rivalry. It is.

1018
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlins saying today that there's a chance that Kenny

1019
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: Pickett plays this week said the there is no structural

1020
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: damage to pick it, which tells me that, well, it's

1021
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: not broken ribs or even cracked ribs or anything like that.

1022
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: I mean that would be thea, that would be the structure.

1023
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: So it's probably bruised ribs, you know, that might be something.

1024
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: It just depends on what's his comfort level throwing the

1025
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 2: football with the with that kind of rib injury.

1026
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 3: Which seemed like that was the case at halftime with

1027
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: warm ups too. You know, he was throwing pretty long

1028
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 3: with Trubisky, and then it looked like when he would

1029
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: really torque it, you know, when he had to have one,

1030
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 3: he was losing control or overly painful whatever. So that

1031
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: adds up one thing, you know. I mean not that

1032
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: this is going to hinder Hirom a player or not,

1033
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: but he doesn't get a lot of sleep this week.

1034
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: You know this, Every time you roll over with a

1035
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: rib injury, it's you jump up and just.

1036
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 2: Get yourself a nice recliner and sit in the chair.

1037
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: And maybe, I mean that's what I had to do

1038
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: and I have my shoulder surgery. Just sleep in a

1039
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: chair for.

1040
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: About a month, just don't lean on it and put

1041
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: a lot of weight.

1042
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: On it and just kind of get used to doing that. Uh.

1043
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: But Mic has already been ruled out.

1044
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: Mica Fitzpatrick has been ruled out. Tomlan also said that

1045
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: there's a chance Cam Hayward returns this week, as well

1046
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: as Anthony McFarlane. I don't think it's going to be

1047
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: this week because it's a short week, but I'll never

1048
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: say never with with with Cam Hayward.

1049
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: Does McFarland get close to twenty one?

1050
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 2: He has another week?

1051
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is terrible by me. But the kick returner,

1052
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: I forget his name. Who's on the team. Now, that's

1053
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 3: a running back.

1054
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: Now you made me forget.

1055
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: The fifty third guy in the Rocks. Yeah, yeah, it

1056
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: seems like he's just hold it. This is terrible analysis

1057
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 3: by me. But I've never even bothered to learn much

1058
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 3: about him because I just think McFarland's going to take

1059
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: his spot like any minute now.

1060
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: But bek, yes, yeah, this is yes.

1061
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: I never typed it. I don't apologize.

1062
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: He's been around the league for a while, played for

1063
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: the Lions, he was with the Falcons in the preseason,

1064
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: led them in rushing, and.

1065
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 3: I've always just assumed it's inevitable that McFarland's going to

1066
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: become him before you know it. But Cluck's ticking.

1067
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: The clock is ticking. They would have to activate him

1068
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: by believe next Tuesday. Heyward would have another week after that. Yeah,

1069
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: we're gonna get to another break, he would imagine. Yeah, Casey,

1070
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah he is Matt Williamson. I am Dale. Lallie, you're

1071
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: listening to the Drive. You're on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll

1072
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: be back with the Fantasy football focus right after this