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Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to Counterpoints.

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Speaker 4: We've got quite a packed show today, And Emily, I

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Speaker 4: was just thinking that, jording to Biden era, you can

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Speaker 4: actually kind of phone in the prep for these shows

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Speaker 4: sometimes because it wasn't a whole lot emanating from that

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Speaker 4: White House, not a whole lot, and also there wasn't

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Speaker 4: a whole lot going on outside of the lines. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you just kind of they were just doing what they

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Speaker 4: were doing, and they're doing in genocide over here. They've

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Speaker 4: got to keep doing their genocide with this. You have

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Speaker 4: to be like, wait a minute, is that legal everything?

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Speaker 4: Then you look it up You're like, Nope, what they're

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Speaker 4: doing here is definitely not legal.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to gonna have to flag that in

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Speaker 1: the hall.

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Speaker 5: It's funny you say this. I had the exact same

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Speaker 5: thought this morning that under Biden, you know, this is

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Speaker 5: the norm. This is the pre Trump norm. It was

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Speaker 5: utterly predictable, and there would be something maybe out of

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Speaker 5: the ordinary every week and you'd think, ah, what a

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Speaker 5: crazy country. But it's back to the routine of you know,

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Speaker 5: twenty seventeen through twenty twenty one here in Washington, which

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Speaker 5: is that all of the different agencies and a lot

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Speaker 5: of people watching this are like, yeah, this is this

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Speaker 5: is what we voted for. All the agencies are in scrambling,

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Speaker 5: they're in panic. But as a journalist, it's a different rhythm,

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Speaker 5: that is for sure.

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Speaker 4: Elon Musk used the word a revolution to describe what

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Speaker 4: he and his is it dojay or doggy? I think

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Speaker 4: we should go with I think it's o joj. Let's

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Speaker 4: go with Dojay.

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Speaker 5: This isn't Ryan's TikTok odyssey involves him try to pronounced

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Speaker 5: that much.

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Speaker 4: Musk described what his Doggie Committee is doing as a revolution,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's an accurate way to put it.

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Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean that we won't continue pointing out

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Speaker 4: all the different federal laws that it's in violation of,

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Speaker 4: because you know, we're reporters and that's what we do.

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Speaker 4: This is here's a law. Here's what they're doing. They

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Speaker 1: But we're going to keep doing that because of.

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Speaker 5: Contempt for it.

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Speaker 1: There. Yes, yes, it's a it's a revolution.

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Speaker 4: And you also look ridiculous as Democrats, now do you

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Speaker 4: had democrats outside of USAID. You had the guy that

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Speaker 4: if Elon Musk wants to run AID, then he should

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Speaker 4: get nominated and get confirmed in the Senate.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And then Reuben Diego is like, if if Trump wants

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Speaker 1: Okay, but it's this is a revolution. They don't care.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, we're going to talk about the substance and

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Speaker 4: the legality of all this. Of course, starting with Trump's

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Speaker 4: bombshell announcement that we are just going to own Gaza. Okay,

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Speaker 4: we'll get deeper deeper into that. We're going We're going

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Speaker 4: to talk to Nathan Tankers as an independent reporter who's

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Speaker 4: Trump is also saying that he's going to get rid

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Speaker 1: GOP. What is that one on that thing?

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Speaker 5: I do remember that well, basically Republican's cave to the

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Speaker 1: The Tulsi and RFK Junior cruising.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this is they have complied with the

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Speaker 5: some interesting concessions out of Robert F. Kennedy Junior, Tulsea Gobert,

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Speaker 5: is unusual for cabinet nominees. So we're going to break

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Speaker 5: down what happened in the Senate yesterday. We're also going

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Speaker 4: Ryan New York Times had a fascinating analysis in a

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Speaker 4: story that it did with with Pro Publica where it

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Speaker 1: So if you own homes in those areas.

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Speaker 4: They expect that you're going to continue to see your

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Speaker 5: Those have a fun Jasmine Crockett clip that we're going

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Speaker 1: Some never disappoints.

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Speaker 5: No, no, see if we can maybe stave off some

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Speaker 5: white tears.

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Speaker 4: quite clear, but we'll unpack it all.

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Speaker 5: the White House now, where an absolutely wild cascade of

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Speaker 5: last week meeting with Donald Trump, and Trump rolled out

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Speaker 5: an absolutely shocking announcement actually was surprising even to his

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Speaker 5: quote after Trump made his announcement, even some senior administration

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And so Trump in his press conference said that this

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Speaker 4: not clear how what how much of this came up

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Speaker 4: during which Netnyah who cannot wipe the smile off of

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Speaker 4: their stand up press conference afterwards, during which nen Yahou

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Speaker 4: think know how to internalize or make of It'simir ben Gavie,

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Speaker 4: you know, super far right guy who was abandoning nen

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Speaker 4: Yahuo overstriking a ceasefire deal, tweeted Donald We're gonna have

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Speaker 4: a wonderful relationship like this is a guy who was himself,

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Speaker 4: like what, a convicted terrorist in Israel and has always

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Speaker 4: wanted to, you know, ethnically cleanse Gaza, and he now

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Speaker 6: The only reason the Palestinians want to go back to

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Speaker 6: demolition site. This is just a demolition site. Virtually every

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Speaker 6: dangerous and very precarious. They instead can occupy all of

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Speaker 6: a job with it too. We'll own it and be

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Speaker 6: responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and

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Speaker 7: Really demanding a path towards a Palestinian state or any

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Speaker 8: Everybody demanding one thing. You know what it is peace.

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Speaker 8: We want peace. We want people to stop being killed.

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Speaker 8: But everybody's demanding and he wants.

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Speaker 4: Reporters had a lot of questions about that announcement that

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Speaker 1: They also ask because there were there were there obviously is.

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Speaker 4: Enormous amounts of reconstruction UH and demolition work and removal

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Speaker 9: How many people? Who you're thinking about all of them?

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Speaker 4: So all of them and notice there, and a lot

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Speaker 4: the first time that he has flagged Gaza's current population

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Speaker 4: at about one point seven million. It was two point

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Speaker 4: three million when it started. The public figures are that

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Speaker 4: just over sixty thousand were killed in the conflict. What

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Speaker 4: from treatable diseases, die of drive down nutrition, die of dysentery,

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Speaker 4: So sixty thousand times four to five you can imagine that. Okay,

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Speaker 4: several hundreds of thousands of people were killed here. But

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Speaker 9: If I were there, and nobody can live there. You

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Speaker 6: It's too dangerous for people. Nobody can go there. It's

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Speaker 9: How can you have people go back?

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Speaker 5: Well, he said they're going to have beautiful houses.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think you absolutely have to take him

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Speaker 5: Well, he's so, but that hinges on what he's saying

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Speaker 1: It seems to can redevelop God's I see right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It seems like it was something that's cobbled together in

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Speaker 4: You know, you can get the as he calls him,

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Speaker 1: Trump is saying that he's he compared them to Mexico

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Speaker 4: He's like, Mexico and Canada said they weren't gonna do

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Speaker 4: Couple things there. Mexico and Canada never said they wouldn't

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Speaker 4: That's a different concession than something that both CC and.

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Speaker 1: The Royal family and Jordan believe would lead to their toppling.

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Speaker 4: They're much smaller countries than we are, and you're asking

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Speaker 5: The reason that Trump is asking the question, why would

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Speaker 4: If they wanted to rebuild Gaza, Like, there are hundreds

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Speaker 1: And that country's name is Israel.

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Speaker 4: And that country also happens to be the one that

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Speaker 11: They've dug tunnels underneath there that have basically degraded the

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Speaker 4: Because if you know, the numbers are absolutely breathtaking when

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Speaker 4: And we can roll a four here just to get

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Speaker 4: extraordinarily dangerous situations let's play a four.

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Speaker 5: Here.

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Speaker 12: Here we are, it's just seven in the morning. Came

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Speaker 12: Gaza City where all you can see is just total destruction.

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Speaker 12: There are some buildings that have been destroyed during the genocide.

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Speaker 9: So I think I found a line.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, so I'm gonna walk away fixed. Oh my god,

447
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Speaker 12: what this sound is?

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Speaker 4: And we often get questions, by the way, about Aba

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Speaker 4: Baker's British accent. He was a before the October seventh.

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Speaker 4: His passion was doing journalism around football, European football, and

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Speaker 4: so he picked up his British accent. He's never left

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Speaker 4: gods in his life, picked up a British accent watching

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Speaker 4: British footballers. But so you see there he's just stumbling

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Speaker 4: along and oh, there's a mind like that that does

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Speaker 4: have to be that does have to be dealt with.

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Speaker 4: And I had the sense throughout this that Israel knew

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Speaker 4: that that part of the carpet bombing of the entire

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Speaker 4: thing of goz It was to make it uninhabitable, was

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Speaker 4: to produce a reality that left you only bad options

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Speaker 4: for the Palestinians, and one of them being all right,

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Speaker 4: what a shame, love to have you stay. But now

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Speaker 4: it's completely uninhabitable, You're going to have to leave. But

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Speaker 4: like I said, if he was serious, there is a

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Speaker 4: there is a plan where five hundred thousand, two million

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Speaker 4: people can stay. Another one hundred get relocated inside Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Those are the workers who are involved in this reconstruction.

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: What's Trump's idea is going to kick all the Palestinians

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Speaker 4: out and then bring like Indian or Thai construction workers

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Speaker 4: in Like that doesn't make any sense. You've got people

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Speaker 4: who could do the work, and then you could have

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Speaker 4: the others internally displaced in the Negev desert or elsewhere

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Speaker 4: in like in settlement camps, and with a promise that

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Speaker 4: they're going to return when it's done. And that promise

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Speaker 4: backed up by the prospect of a path towards statehood

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Speaker 4: and normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel.

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Speaker 1: So all of that is pushing in the same direction.

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Speaker 4: Instead, instead of Trump getting a Saudi Israel peace deal,

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Speaker 4: in this path, he's more likely to see the Egyptian

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Speaker 4: and Jordanian ones unravel, like they will stop recognizing Israel

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Speaker 4: if they keep pushing this.

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Speaker 5: That's a great point because this plan is I think,

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Speaker 5: on the one hand hyper pragmatic and not pragmatic at all,

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Speaker 5: Like that's the tension between this. On the one hand,

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Speaker 5: he's saying he's making this very obvious point that everyone

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Speaker 5: dances around, which is, okay, if this is a ceasefire,

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Speaker 5: we're about to repeat a traffic cycle. He's making that point,

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Speaker 5: everyone dances around it. But on the one hand, that's

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Speaker 5: absolutely true, and it's from the sort of pragmatic lens

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Speaker 5: of a non idea logue, and so he made that point.

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Speaker 5: On the other hand, the idea of peeling people off

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Speaker 5: the land that they fought generations to keep, there's nothing

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Speaker 5: pragmatic about it unless you're willing to actually do a

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Speaker 5: significant A Rock style nation building operation in the Gaza strip,

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Speaker 5: which is what about the size of Las Vegas. If

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Speaker 5: you want to go and do that and then have

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Speaker 5: the US own a strip of land in the Middle

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Speaker 5: East that is sacred to many many people, you're asking

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Speaker 5: for again, generational nation building. And so it's exploded all

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Speaker 5: of these typical I guess fault lines of what MAGA

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Speaker 5: means to the Republican Party, but beyond that, what MAGA

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Speaker 5: actually means, like to the American people, to the people

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Speaker 5: who voted for Donald Trump. Is it about the sort

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Speaker 5: of expansionism imperialism, or is it about actually, like quote

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Speaker 5: unquote America First, Josh Holly right away told The New

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Speaker 5: York Times, I don't think it's the best use of

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Speaker 5: US resources to spend a bunch of money in Gaza.

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Speaker 5: I'd prefer that to be spent in the United States. First.

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Speaker 1: That's the logic of MAGA.

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Speaker 4: So maybe which rows out of the ashes of the

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Speaker 4: Iraq occupation exactly exactly.

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Speaker 5: I mean, what about all of the tunnels. Just let's

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Speaker 5: just take the point that you hear from Yahoo and yeah,

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Speaker 5: all like, what does it look like if Hamas says

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Speaker 5: you are not taking us.

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Speaker 4: And if you tell them they're not right, If if

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Speaker 4: you tell them right out front, okay, we're kicking you

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Speaker 4: out and you're never coming back, then of course they're

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Speaker 4: going to fight you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. But this brings us to your original point, which

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Speaker 5: is how serious is what Donald Trump laid out yesterday

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Speaker 5: And my impression is that this is something he's thought

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Speaker 5: about for a while. With Kushner, they've kicked around this

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Speaker 5: sort of like.

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Speaker 1: Galaxy brain, real estate brain.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it's sort of been kicked around and then

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Speaker 5: just in the last few days they decided, oh, who's coming,

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Speaker 5: we can like actually really do this. Let's see what

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Speaker 5: we can actually put together. Because again, like actual people

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Speaker 5: in the White House, senior officials were caught off guard

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Speaker 5: by this. That much is very clear. So whether this

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Speaker 5: is a starting point tariff style, twenty five percent tariff

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Speaker 5: style or teriff style starting point is unclear. But Ryan,

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Speaker 5: it's the same thing with the tariffs. I think he

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Speaker 5: should be taken seriously because he's not He has not

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Speaker 5: an ideal log. He's not ideologically committed to one outcome

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Speaker 5: or the other. So when he does these negotiations, he

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Speaker 5: could kind of land wherever he thinks it works for him.

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Speaker 1: And confusing the situation further.

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Speaker 4: He's now talking, as of this morning, his most explicitly

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Speaker 4: about reaching a deal that he will celebrate with Iran,

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Speaker 4: which obviously cannot happen if he engages in full on

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Speaker 4: ethnic cleansing in Gaza. So let's put up a three

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Speaker 4: here where he's talking about the role that Iran negotiations play.

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Speaker 1: Here, Iran and their proxys who threaten to retaliate.

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Speaker 4: Against you and your team by killing you guys or

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Speaker 4: taking out solo.

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Speaker 6: Well, they haven't done that, and that would be a

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Speaker 6: terrible thing for them to do, not because of me.

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Speaker 6: If they did that, they would be obliterated. It would

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Speaker 6: be the end I've left instructions. If they do it,

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Speaker 6: they get obliterated, there won't be anything left and they

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Speaker 6: shouldn't be able to do it.

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Speaker 9: And Biden should have said that, but he never did.

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Speaker 9: I don't know what. Lack of intelligence perhaps, but he

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Speaker 9: never said it.

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Speaker 6: If that happens to a leader or close to a leader, frankly,

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Speaker 6: if you had other people involved, also, you would call

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Speaker 6: for total obliteration of a state that did it.

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Speaker 9: That would include Iran.

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Speaker 1: So that's the shot. So here's the chaser, and we

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Speaker 1: can maybe add this. In posts on.

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Speaker 4: Truth social this morning, Trump says this quote, I want

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Speaker 4: Iran to be a great and successful country, but one

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Speaker 4: that cannot have a nuclear weapon. Reports that the United States,

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Speaker 4: working in conjunction with Israel, is going to blow Iran

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Speaker 4: into smithereens all caps are greatly exaggerated.

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Speaker 1: In other words, he's referring to his own comments the

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Speaker 1: entire bluff.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I would much prefer a verified nuclear peace agreement,

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Speaker 4: and this is all caps. So that's VNPA, which will

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Speaker 4: let Iran peacefully grow and prosper. We should start working

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Speaker 4: on it immediately and have a big Middle East celebration,

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Speaker 4: celebrations capitalized when it is signed and completed.

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Speaker 1: God bless the Middle East.

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Speaker 4: And so here you have Trump, who has been who

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Speaker 4: has hired an enormous number of people who want to

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Speaker 4: reach a piece deal with Iran and get back into

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Speaker 4: the nuclear deal that Obama struck, that Trump ripped up

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Speaker 4: in his first term. Here you have him the most

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Speaker 4: explicitly stating it outright that that is a goal of his.

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Speaker 4: And it comes after he threatened to obliterate them basically

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Speaker 4: if they kill him, which fair right, you say, Look,

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Speaker 4: you kill me, I've left instructions that.

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Speaker 1: You're dead too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a again, it's a hell of a bluff.

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Speaker 5: But it all came on the heels of this New

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Speaker 5: York Times report on Monday that because of all of

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Speaker 5: the insanity going on sort of ended up being buried

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Speaker 5: in the news cycle. The Times reported quote new intelligence

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Speaker 5: about Iran's nuclear program has convinced American officials that a

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Speaker 5: secret team of the country scientist is exploring a faster,

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Speaker 5: if cruder approach to developing a toom weapon if Tehran's

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Speaker 5: leadership decides to race for a bomb, according to current

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Speaker 5: and former American officials. Now, if you are like many people,

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Speaker 5: vague New York Times reporting about nuclear program sends a

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Speaker 5: chill up your spine because you just don't know if

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Speaker 5: you can trust it. But they are saying, essentially the

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Speaker 5: timeline could be severely minimized or significantly minimized based on

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Speaker 5: these new efforts, down to something like a month if

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Speaker 5: Iron wanted to enrich uranium and have a crude nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 5: So Trump is then asked, in this context, that was

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Speaker 5: the broader thing that was happening when he gets these

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Speaker 5: questions from Peter Doocy.

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Speaker 4: And scientifically or practically, whether that's true, we don't know,

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Speaker 4: but strategically we can see the internal logic. The deterrent

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Speaker 4: that Iran had up until recently was it's massive sprawl

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Speaker 4: of proxies throughout the region that could threaten Israel and

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Speaker 4: threaten you know, US forces in Iraq or Syria if

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Speaker 4: if Iran was attacked. Plus it's what they believe to

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Speaker 4: be sophisticated air defenses. Israel apparently massively degraded their air defenses.

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Speaker 1: With that counter strike.

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Speaker 4: Leaving them significantly exposed to future strikes and their their

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Speaker 4: own proxies.

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Speaker 1: Are significantly degraded.

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Speaker 4: Has has been in particular as well as as well

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Speaker 4: as maas the who the these are still you know,

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Speaker 4: very much capable of firing missiles out of their mountains,

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Speaker 4: and that will be the case for the foreseeable future,

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Speaker 4: no matter what Trump wants to do about it.

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Speaker 1: So with those uh, with with those kind of.

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Speaker 4: Thereo's protections so to speak, kind of beaten down strategically,

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Speaker 4: you can understand why they say, okay, well all we

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Speaker 4: have left then is a race towards a nuclear weapon,

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Speaker 4: because they look around and they're like, who's not around? Like, oh, Gaddafi?

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Speaker 4: Gaddafi struck a nuclear deal not long after that he

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Speaker 4: was ousted.

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Speaker 1: Who is around?

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Speaker 4: Kim Jong un is around, and he for no other

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Speaker 4: reason than he has a nuclear weapon. So you can

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Speaker 4: understand the logic at least, even if we don't necessarily

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Speaker 4: have to believe the precise contours of the reporting.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying to imagine Gadafi with a nuclear weapon,

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Speaker 5: what you'd.

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Speaker 4: Be imaginings as a man who's going to die of

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Speaker 4: natural causes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. So before we wrap this up, it's

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Speaker 5: also absolutely important to note that Trump was asked about quote.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, Libya would be so much better

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Speaker 4: off than it is now.

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Speaker 5: The real Middle Eastern riviera is Trump is now saying

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Speaker 5: Goza will.

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Speaker 4: Be Libya completely destroyed by the US and NATO, like

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Speaker 4: absolutely ravaged.

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Speaker 5: Well on that point, though, I have to mention that

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Speaker 5: Trump was asked about quote, Judea and Samaria, about his

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Speaker 5: ideological disposition what he believes. If he believes that you

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Speaker 5: in Samaria, that Israel has a biblical right to them,

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Speaker 5: And we can put this vo up on the screen here.

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Speaker 5: This is from the West Bank Trump essentially, this is

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Speaker 5: a five. Trump essentially was saying, well, you know, we're

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Speaker 5: going to make a big announcement about that in the

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Speaker 5: weeks ahead. So Ryan as the.

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Speaker 1: West four weeks or something three or four weeks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so as the West Bank is now these

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Speaker 5: are startling images. If you're listening to it, you're seeing

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Speaker 5: you know, the like familiar this is Gaza, but before

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Speaker 5: you're seeing the familiar skyline of the West Bank with

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Speaker 5: all kinds of explosions. That is huge and gets another

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Speaker 5: one of those things that is keeps getting buried in

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Speaker 5: these news cycles. But in a matter of weeks we

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Speaker 5: could have some announcement that Trump also wants to do

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Speaker 5: something significant, major with the West Bank.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's saying he'll decide whether or not he's going

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Speaker 4: to allow Israel to annex the West Bank. Which, again,

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Speaker 4: you're not getting a piece deal. You're not getting a

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Speaker 4: normalization deal with Saudi Arabia, you're not getting a deal

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Speaker 4: with Iran. You might lose your deals that you already

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Speaker 4: have with Egypt and Jordan if if you do that.

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Speaker 4: But Jal Madison's widow, Miriam, had a hundred plus million

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Speaker 4: dollars and asked him in return to allow for the

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Speaker 4: annexation of the West Bank. Like that's as shocking as

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Speaker 4: it is to say that that's the.

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Speaker 1: Thing that happened.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five, and so

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Speaker 4: he may give it to them. And as an update,

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Speaker 4: my colleague get Drops Site News Jeremy Skhill has an

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Speaker 4: official statement from Bassam Naim, a spokesperson for Hamas, in

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Speaker 4: response to Trump's claim. He says the US plan to

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Speaker 4: seize God's and remove the Palestinians quote is a crime

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Speaker 4: against humanity and a reinforcement of the law of the

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Speaker 4: jungle at the international level.

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Speaker 1: He goes on to say, the problem.

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Speaker 4: Of reconstruction is not in the presence of the Palestinian

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Speaker 4: people on their land, but rather in the continuation of

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Speaker 4: the Zion occupation and the stifling siege of the Gaza

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Speaker 4: Strip for more than seventeen years with American support unquote,

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Speaker 4: the name called for quote urgent regional and international action

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Speaker 4: to put an end to these malicious plans. Scayhell Wright

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Speaker 4: says reports emerge at Nantahau intends to sabotage future phases

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Speaker 4: of the ceasefire deal. NAIM reiterated Hamasa's position that it

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Speaker 4: intends to abide by the terms.

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 4: We demand that the mediators, especially the United States, oblige

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Speaker 4: the occupation to implement the ceasefire agreement in its three

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Speaker 4: stages without procrastination or manipulation. We are committed to implementing

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Speaker 4: the agreement as long as the occupation commits to it

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Speaker 4: in any manipulation and implementing the agreement may cause it

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Speaker 4: to collapse. So interesting statement from Hamas because there are

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Speaker 4: some people who think that Trump's bluffing here. To just

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Speaker 4: make sure that the agreement actually does continue to be implemented,

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Speaker 4: we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Turning now back to.

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Speaker 4: Why in which I was I was saying a moment ago,

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Speaker 4: Chris Murphy said, oh god, the thing is just a

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Speaker 4: distraction for what we're going to talk about in the

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Speaker 4: next couple of blocks.

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Speaker 5: We can do both at the same time.

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Speaker 1: We can we can walk and we can shoot gum.

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Speaker 4: So here is President Donald Trump being asked whether Elon

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Speaker 4: Musk is a total rogue agent or not as he's

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Speaker 4: as he's going about this doggie revolution and Kilan Musk.

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Speaker 9: How often are you talking to him? And how there

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Speaker 9: have been ideas.

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Speaker 1: That he's brought to you that he said, oh no,

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Speaker 1: this is going a little too far.

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Speaker 9: Well, many ideas, but look he's done a great job.

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Speaker 6: Look at all the fraud that he's found in this

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Speaker 6: US aid it's a disaster. What the people radical left lunatics.

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Speaker 6: They have things that nobody would have believed.

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Speaker 9: The whole thing with.

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Speaker 6: One hundred million spent on you know what, with money

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Speaker 6: going to all sorts of groups that shouldn't deserve to

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Speaker 6: get any money with the money, I'd like to see

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Speaker 6: what the kickbacks are. How much money has been kicked back.

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Speaker 6: Who would spend that kind of money to some of

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Speaker 6: the things that you read about and I read about,

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Speaker 6: and I see every night of the news and every

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Speaker 6: morning when I read the papers.

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Speaker 9: Who would spend money for them?

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Speaker 6: I would say this, the people that get all that money,

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Speaker 6: are they kicking it back to the people that gave

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Speaker 6: it from government?

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Speaker 9: No, that's to me, very very corrupt.

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Speaker 4: They're really those engineers that Elon Musk has helping him

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Speaker 4: brsy young as nineteen years old.

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Speaker 13: Good.

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Speaker 9: They're very smart, though, Peter. They're like you, they're very

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Speaker 9: smart people.

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Speaker 13: Thank you.

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Speaker 10: Has he Have you met any of these guys?

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 9: I haven't seen them. They work actually out of the

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Speaker 9: White House. They're smart people.

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Speaker 14: Unlike what they do in the control towers, where we

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Speaker 14: need smart people. We should use some of them in

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Speaker 14: the control towers where we were putting people that were

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Speaker 14: actually intellectually deficient.

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Speaker 1: Democrats, of course, are reacting quite angrily to this. Let's

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Speaker 1: roll some of them.

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Speaker 15: So today Leader Jeffries and I are joining together to

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Speaker 15: push legislation to prevent unlawful meddling in the Treasury Departments

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Speaker 15: payment systems and protect Americans across the country. Our bill

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Speaker 15: aims to do a few simple things. One to deny

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Speaker 15: access to special government employees, employees that don't have to

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Speaker 15: disclose their conflicts of interest or any other ethic agreements.

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Speaker 15: Two to deny access to anyone with conflicts of interest

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Speaker 15: or lack of appropriate clearance. And three include personal tax

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Speaker 15: information into existing privacy protections. We call our legislation stop

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Speaker 15: the steal.

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Speaker 7: They are raiding the government, attempting to steal taxpayer money.

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Speaker 16: We don't pledge allegiance to the billionaires. We don't pledge

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Speaker 16: allegiance to Elon Musk. We don't pledge allegiance to the

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Speaker 16: creepy twenty two year olds working for Elon Musk. Repluge

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Speaker 16: allegiance to the United States of America.

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Speaker 17: Goddamn is shut down the citate. We are war anytime,

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Speaker 17: anytime a person can pay two hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 17: dollars into a campaign and they've be given access for

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Speaker 17: access to the Department of Treasury of the United States

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Speaker 17: of America, we are and war. Hi, thank you, We

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Speaker 17: will see you in the courts, in Congress, in the streets.

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Speaker 17: Elon Musk is a Nazi lopall baby.

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Speaker 4: The thing that has Democrats most alarmed is what's going

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Speaker 4: on at the Treasury Department, and we can put up

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Speaker 4: this next element. Wired has been doing some really good

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Speaker 4: reporting on who is actually involved in this. This DOJ

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Speaker 4: committee is a group of kids that range in age

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Speaker 4: from nineteen to twenty five. If we can get an

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Speaker 4: Nathan Tankas on the line, we're going to talk to him.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, he just had to cancel the he's gotting a

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Speaker 5: problem with this internet connection.

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Speaker 1: All right, No, no, no, Nathan Tankas, he's been hacking him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been working triple over time basically in the

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Speaker 5: last several days.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so Nathan, Thankas, and we could send people over

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Speaker 4: to his his newsletter, which is called Notes on the

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Speaker 4: Crisis or crisisnes dot com. He what he has been reporting,

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Speaker 4: based on Treasury sources and which the Treasury so far

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Speaker 4: has been denying, is that the DOJ team has what's

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Speaker 4: called quote, read and write access inside the bowels of

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Speaker 4: the Treasury Department. So very quickly Elon Musk's team went

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Speaker 4: directly for the pipes, said, okay, who is pressing the buttons,

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Speaker 4: Who's who's cutting the checks? Like, who's who's after After

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Speaker 4: everything gets so, Congress approves the spending directs it. The

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Speaker 4: agencies then confirm that this is how Congress intended to

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Speaker 4: direct it, and then they tell somebody to send the checks.

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Speaker 1: Musk is like, how is that? Where's the system that

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Speaker 1: that is happening.

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Speaker 4: They went to this system and the bureaucrat who is

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Speaker 4: in charge of that, David Leick is that his name.

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Speaker 4: He'd been a Treasury official since nineteen eighty nine, and

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Speaker 4: he said, no, you cannot have direct access to this system.

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Speaker 4: They insisted, and he resigned in protests, which really sent

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Speaker 4: a shock through the Treasury department. Spoke with a former

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Speaker 4: very senior Treasury official yesterday who worked directly with this guy,

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Speaker 4: and he said he's the most like small c conservative bureaucrat.

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Speaker 4: The absolute definition of a civil servant could be frustrating

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Speaker 4: at times, because he's going to tell you, chapter and

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Speaker 4: verse what the statute is that you need to comply

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Speaker 4: with for him to do the thing that you're asking

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Speaker 4: him to do. And you can imagine Elon Musk does

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Speaker 4: not want to hear anything about statutes and laws.

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Speaker 1: He just wants he just wants access.

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Speaker 4: This is the guy who whose job it has been

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Speaker 4: over the last decade to do what are called the

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Speaker 4: extraordinary measures when we pierce the debt limit, which we

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Speaker 4: already have, like it was in January we went we

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Speaker 4: went through the debt limit. We're now in the period

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Speaker 4: of what's called extraordinary measures, which means there isn't enough

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Speaker 4: money in.

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Speaker 1: The treasury to basically pay everything.

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Speaker 4: So you and anybody who lives on the margins knows

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Speaker 4: exactly how this works.

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Speaker 1: You move, you move things around. You got this money

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Speaker 1: coming in.

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Speaker 4: Here's what's the latest I can pay this bill? What

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Speaker 4: are the what are the late fees on this one?

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Speaker 4: So I can move of this. So you're just trying

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Speaker 4: to keep your head above water. And so right now

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Speaker 4: they call it extraordinary measures. It's the treasury is just

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Speaker 4: trying to keep its head above water and make sure

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Speaker 4: that the must pay bills get paid.

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Speaker 1: And the must pay bills.

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Speaker 4: Are the treasury bonds and treasury like instruments because those

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Speaker 4: are the collateral for the entire global financial system.

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Speaker 1: So if you are due.

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Speaker 4: Cash for your Treasury note and it doesn't come, then

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Speaker 4: now your counterparty is screwed. That counterparty was counting on

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Speaker 4: this thing that has never broken in the system. So

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Speaker 4: this guy, as we've gone through debt ceiling crises under Obama,

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Speaker 4: an under Trump, and now a new one and then Biden,

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Speaker 4: then a new one under Trump. This guy has been

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Speaker 4: the one that's made sure that all the payments have

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Speaker 4: kept flowing, and people say it's like a magician. Like

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Speaker 4: the his ability to do this is it leaves people

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Speaker 4: utterly amazed. He's the one that has always briefed Treasury

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Speaker 4: and also briefed Congress about how this is going, and

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Speaker 4: everyone has always said, like God does just absolutely incredible

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Speaker 4: job of it. The X date they're estimating is about

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Speaker 4: six months from now, like we can move money around

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Speaker 4: until then. In April obviously, when you guys saw send

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Speaker 4: your checks in to the I R s, we're going

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Speaker 4: to see a big plus up in the bank accounts

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Speaker 4: and so that, and then June there's more money that

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Speaker 4: comes in with the extensions and stuff like that and

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Speaker 4: corporate corporate taxes, and so they think that maybe we've

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Speaker 4: got till July ish, but we're not sure. That's when

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Speaker 4: it's run meticulously. So now this guy's gone, and let's

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Speaker 4: hope there's deputies and whoever's left know how to move

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Speaker 4: this around.

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Speaker 5: That's whoever's left whoever's left.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of an aside.

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Speaker 4: The other point that this that this your official made

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Speaker 4: to me is that and it's one that you have

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Speaker 4: probably already figured out the code and the hardware and.

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Speaker 1: The software for this.

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Speaker 4: These pipes that are the most important pipes in the

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Speaker 4: global financial system are many decades old. Congress just does

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Speaker 4: not has not appropriated money to redesign the pipes using

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Speaker 4: modern technology. So my late great aunt Mimi, she started

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Speaker 4: coding in the fifties and sixties and was doing some

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Speaker 4: of it for the BA and for the government. Like

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Speaker 4: it's the code that she was touching in the sixties

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Speaker 4: is still there today, like sixty years later.

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Speaker 5: Incredible.

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Speaker 4: And so these nineteen year olds who have probably you know,

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Speaker 4: they were taught about this stuff, they don't have I

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Speaker 4: guess it's cobal they don't and they're I'm sure they're brilliant.

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Speaker 4: Like these these kids, like one of them was the

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Speaker 4: one who won the contest being able to figure out

881
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 4: Julius Caesar's father in laws like Roman texts that were burned,

882
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 4: Like he figured out using AI to like read some

883
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 4: of these things. Like you know, some of the smartest

884
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 4: people on the planet. I'm sure, being that smart doesn't

885
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 4: mean you won't make mistakes. So according to Tankas and others,

886
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 4: these kids now have the ability to push new code into.

887
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: The system here, which.

888
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 4: Is utterly alarming to any everybody who's familiar with the system,

889
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 4: because if you do it wrong and not even necessarily wrong,

890
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 4: like you could do it right, but like the system

891
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 4: is such that it is that it can't handle this

892
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 4: code that you've just pushed in there, and it breaks,

893
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 4: like you don't know how it breaks it, where it

894
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 4: breaks it, how to fix it. And then now you

895
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 4: don't know who didn't get paid. Now, in your effort

896
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 4: to clean up fraud, waste and abuse, you might end

897
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 4: up costing the government so much extra money getting sued

898
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 4: and then also trying to figure out which payments didn't

899
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 4: go out and then being liable for all of the

900
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 4: downstream consequences for the payments.

901
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: That didn't go out.

902
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 4: And there's also reporting that some of what the coders

903
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 4: are trying to put in reduces visibility of what Musk's

904
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 4: Doggie team is doing here.

905
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: So in other words, this is.

906
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 4: They're trying to pick a fight around the Empowerment Control Act,

907
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 4: like they've been very clear about that Empowerment Control Act

908
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 4: was brought in in the nineteen seventies by Congress to

909
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 4: try to put a check on Richard Nixon, who was

910
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 4: claiming that he, as the executive, had the power to

911
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 4: just stop a payment. Congress says, we're going to fund

912
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 4: this bridge building project over here. He signs that into law,

913
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 4: and then he turns around and says, actually, we're not

914
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 4: going to do that. And Congress is like, no, that's

915
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 4: clearly not constitutional. You're the executive, you would execute our laws.

916
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 4: And just to be clear, here's the Empowerment Control Act.

917
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 4: Here are the circumstances under which you can do this.

918
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 4: They're very carved out. Otherwise you just have to spend

919
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 4: the money.

920
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: Russ vote.

921
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

922
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 4: The Republicans believe that the Empowerment Control Act is unconstitutional

923
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 4: and they want a court fight. But in the meantime,

924
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 4: Elon Musk is saying, Okay, well, if we're going to

925
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 4: stop payments and these bureaucrats aren't going to let us

926
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 4: because it's illegal, we just need to take the keys

927
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 4: from them and start pressing the buttons ourselves and let

928
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 4: it play out in court.

929
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, somewhat, let it play out in court, but also.

930
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 4: Prevent it from getting to court in some cases if

931
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 4: there's no visibility into who blocked the payment, who the

932
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 4: payment was intended for. So a scenario that people have

933
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 4: laid out. So let's say a member of Congress says,

934
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: all right, this I want in my district this homeless

935
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 4: shelter to be built and to get you know, fifty

936
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 4: million dollars from the federal government, and then I'll vote

937
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 4: for your spending package that passes into law, the President

938
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 4: signs it.

939
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: It's right there in the law. Treasury Department then says.

940
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 4: Okay, here's the project that they're talking about. Here's the

941
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 4: EI in of this of this organization we checked out.

942
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 1: They're legit.

943
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 4: All this tracks fifty million dollars, payment goes out. They

944
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 4: send it to this system which is supposed to be.

945
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: Separate from politics.

946
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 4: Like half of it's in West Virginia, half of it's

947
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 4: in Maryland, like some of some of it is in DC,

948
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 4: but most of it is out in West Virginia, Maryland.

949
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 4: And then they just they're like, okay, e I, and

950
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 4: here it is. You know, payment goes What must team

951
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 4: is trying to do is go in there and say, actually,

952
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 4: I don't think we want to fund that.

953
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: Homeless shelter and just stop it.

954
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 4: So you either then get a court challenge when the

955
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 4: homeless shelter realizes didn't get his money, or they're like,

956
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 4: we just never got paid and they don't know why.

957
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 4: And when you ask why, then there might not be

958
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 4: an answer because it might be like, well, we don't

959
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 4: know it's been approved. We don't get there eventually, and

960
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 4: so the court might be like, well, come back to

961
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 4: us when you've got some evidence that you're not going

962
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 4: to get this.

963
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 5: It'll definitely make it to court though in the first place.

964
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: Eventually something's going to get to court. Something has to.

965
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and I think probably sooner rather later. Let's

966
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 5: put the next element up on the screen, because it

967
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 5: gets to the point that you were making Ryan about

968
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 5: who is in charge here. This is a meme that says,

969
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 5: who are these little boys and why are they in

970
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,959
Speaker 5: charge of our money? And it's running down the guys

971
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 5: who are behind all of this, and they are young,

972
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 5: but clearly to Ryan's point, brilliant it says, the US

973
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 5: Treasury is usually run by grown up grown ups. Mama's

974
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 5: come get your babies out of our government, you know, Ryan,

975
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 5: I Actually I get that impulse. I think there have

976
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 5: been people of similar age groups that have been behind

977
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 5: some of the most important and like actually well respected

978
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 5: political movements.

979
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 13: Yeah.

980
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 5: Uh, and in throughout history all the founding fathers are

981
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 5: actually kind of young. Not all of them, of course, very.

982
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: Young.

983
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 5: But to that point, you also flagged this next element.

984
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 5: We could put this Andrew Tate post up. This is

985
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 5: something that one of them retweeted from Andrew Tate where he's.

986
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: I missed this. I didn't flag this. Somebody else said

987
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: it's interesting.

988
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 5: Okay. So, yeah, the majority Filipino areas of the UK,

989
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 5: it must look and feel British. This is, by the way,

990
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 5: from January of twenty twenty five, the majority Indian areas

991
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 5: of the UK must like can feel British. He's basically saying, immigrate,

992
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 5: expect to adapt to British culture, no matter how small

993
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 5: the norm. We like quiet Sunday mornings, problem leave. And

994
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 5: what's interesting about that?

995
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: Ryan, So Gavin Klegger is one of these kids.

996
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 5: Yes, tweet What's interesting about that, I think is Ryan

997
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 5: the even just like openly retweeting Andrew Tait totally common

998
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 5: among young men. By the way, like horrifying to people

999
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 5: in Washington. Not uncommon among young men who are trending

1000
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 5: further and further right. But yeah, not one of these

1001
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 5: young men is like holding the keys to like a

1002
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 5: significant portion of government and potentially outside the boundaries of

1003
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 5: the law.

1004
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, this is.

1005
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 4: So like, you know, we just talked about the Framers,

1006
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 4: some of the Framers being very young when they built

1007
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 4: the Constitution. I've spent my entire life being lectured by

1008
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 4: the right about how brilliant the design of our constitution

1009
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 4: is and our checks and balances. And to now be

1010
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 4: told you, all.

1011
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: Right, get the Hall monitors out of here.

1012
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 4: Musk has good ideas and smart kids, so he's just

1013
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 4: going to clean this mess up. And this is what

1014
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 4: I voted for. Is kind of, you know, preposterously disorienting.

1015
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 4: It's like either you believe in representative democracy or you don't.

1016
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 4: And Musk very obviously does not. Like he's been He

1017
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 4: very much seems to be in one of those Curtis

1018
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 4: Jarvin camps. I know, Curtis yarm is all over the map,

1019
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 4: but in general, there's this like techno feudalist idea that

1020
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 4: we know better it should.

1021
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 5: Be run as this is directly from Curtis Yarvin, who

1022
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 5: was here for inaugural festivities, by the way, who believes

1023
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 5: in I think techno feudalism is a good word. I

1024
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 5: think he would say, almost like a corporate monarchy, that

1025
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 5: the United States should be controlled by a single monarch

1026
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 5: and run like a corporation CEO style. And it's something

1027
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 5: that gets kicked on, kicked around a lot in online

1028
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 5: right circles, the same places that Elon Musk seems to

1029
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 5: dwell when he's spending time on the internet. So it's

1030
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 5: not impossible that there's an actual sort of ideological strain

1031
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 5: being pulled from that into Musk's mind and the mind

1032
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 5: of some of these kids that seem to be pretty

1033
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 5: I shouldn't even call them kids. I mean they're adults,

1034
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 5: but they're young and they haven't been in DC long

1035
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 5: at all. One funny thing I saw being passed around

1036
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 5: like Capitol Hill circles is like people have said about

1037
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 5: the twenty five year olds running the government, wait until

1038
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 5: they find out about Capitol Hill. That's very funny because

1039
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 5: twenty five year olds have been running the government for

1040
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 5: a while and.

1041
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 4: For all those Although one of the one of the

1042
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 4: versions that I saw of that going around was they

1043
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 4: were saying, wait, wait, un till they find out about

1044
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 4: the rest of the government.

1045
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: And that's actually not accurate.

1046
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 4: It is one hundred percent true that if you go

1047
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 4: around Capitol Hill, it's there, you know, people are twenty

1048
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 4: five and under and hello to everybody on Capitol Hill.

1049
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 4: We have like I don't know how often you go

1050
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 4: to the House office buildings anymore. I practically have to

1051
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 4: stay out of there's so many like breaking points as viewers.

1052
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: To everybody there is twenty five and under.

1053
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 4: But in the actual government, you know, the Department's Education, Treasury,

1054
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 4: et cetera. Those those career people, they some of them

1055
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,479
Speaker 4: are very young, but they stick around for twenty thirty years,

1056
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 4: which is what's so frustrating.

1057
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: The Musk too.

1058
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 4: It's like the only twenty thousand people have taken this

1059
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 4: fake buyout offer, so far out of the millions that

1060
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 4: they sent it out to, right.

1061
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, well, let's take it this next. This is

1062
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 5: B six. There are sleep pods going around. They're not

1063
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,959
Speaker 5: I think they're poorly described as pods because I looked

1064
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 5: into it and essentially what this is a wrap for

1065
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 5: a mattress that does seem pretty technologically impressive. It's it's

1066
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 5: sort of like a sheet you put over your mattress

1067
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 5: that can monitor your your they can track your sleep basically,

1068
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 5: and it can.

1069
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 4: Well there's no mattress. You have to put it over

1070
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 4: a mattress, So where's the mattress. Don't need a mattress to.

1071
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, presumably they have mattresses in there, which is some

1072
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 5: of the reporting is that yes, they have been bringing

1073
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 5: basically like bedroom stuff into some of these buildings so

1074
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 5: that they can sleep and do this like Silicon Valley style,

1075
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 5: this hostile takeover Silicon Valley style, which I actually think

1076
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 5: is interesting Ryan because well, I mean for a lot

1077
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 5: of reasons, but from the perspective of like movement conservatives,

1078
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 5: they wanted a lot of this to be like done

1079
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 5: by conservative movement lawyers. Like first of all, this was

1080
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 5: always a fantasy that you would actually have this generational

1081
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 5: opportunity to start slashing and burning, and to do it

1082
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 5: without regard or even with content for the sacred norms

1083
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 5: that the political establishment revers. Like it's a literal fantasy

1084
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 5: of the conservative movement, just like overturning Row, Like, nobody

1085
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 5: ever thought they would actually have the opportunity to do that,

1086
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 5: or most people didn't really think they would have the

1087
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 5: opportunity to do that. Now Donald Trump has it. It's

1088
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 5: in the hands of an industry that just a couple

1089
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 5: of years ago Conservatives were at war with. But because

1090
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 5: of the vibe shift, you're able to take the pluck

1091
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 5: the you know, maga people out of Silicon Valley world,

1092
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 5: import them into DC and they have the support of

1093
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 5: the conservative movement, at least for now. So it's like

1094
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 5: this hostile takeover that was always planned to be ideologues

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Speaker 5: from the conservative movement now being done by an industry

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Speaker 5: or members of an industry denisms of an industry that

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Speaker 5: was decried by the conservative movement that was at war

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Speaker 5: with the conservative movement. So it's it's really an odd tension.

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Speaker 4: And it's because it's really what it is is a

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Speaker 4: dual personality movement. It's whatever whatever Musk says is good

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Speaker 4: and whatever Trump says is good, and when the twain

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Speaker 4: don't meet, we'll find out, you know, who can win.

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Speaker 4: But as of now, Trump seems to be Musk seems

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Speaker 4: to be taking the lead. Like over the weekend he's

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Speaker 4: like I put us a I d in the wood chipper,

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Speaker 4: and then on Monday, Trump's like, yeah, it's okay, you

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Speaker 4: can do that.

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Speaker 1: So it's like Musk is very much.

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Speaker 4: Asking you know, moving first, and then you know he's

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Speaker 4: asking for forgiveness rather than permission what seems to be clear.

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Speaker 4: And then you know how much does Trump need him,

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Speaker 4: care about him, like fear him because of his money,

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Speaker 4: be amused by him. I don't know, we're gonna find

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Speaker 4: out what and what happens if they do break the system,

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Speaker 4: treasury system and the payments start.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going out what happens if now.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we're gonna have a debt ceialing situation

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Speaker 4: six months.

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Speaker 1: From now, because I think Trump will just ignore it.

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Speaker 4: He'll say there is no such thing as a dead ceiling,

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Speaker 4: like if you know he's not inclined to follow laws,

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Speaker 4: it seems so Yeah, at that point Basin will be like, okay,

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Speaker 4: I agree, which you know, when Obama was president, I

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Speaker 4: argued that the fourteenth Amendment means that there is actually

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Speaker 4: no death ceiling because the fourteenth Amendment says very specifically,

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Speaker 4: the debts of the federal government shall not be questioned.

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Speaker 5: So it's similar. No, I mean seriously, some of these

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Speaker 5: are legitimate constitutional questions that need to be worked out

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Speaker 5: in the courts. Like if russ Bote were here and

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Speaker 5: he was arguing with us over impoundment, he would make

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Speaker 5: a case that is substantial, and we may disagree with it.

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Speaker 5: I'm honestly fairly persuaded by it, but either way, it's

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Speaker 5: raises a legitimate constitutional question about separation of powers and

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Speaker 5: how we have just by norms allowed the government to

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Speaker 5: sort of be in a state of inertia in the

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Speaker 5: executive branch because a lot of the just didn't get

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Speaker 5: challenged and Congress increasingly relies on the executive branch to

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Speaker 5: go through its power. But speaking of separation of powers,

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Speaker 5: the US eternity, the US Attorney this is b seven

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Speaker 5: initially this this is a weird subplot that we can

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Speaker 5: get into maybe more next week, but said that our

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Speaker 5: initial review of the evidence presented to US indicates that

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Speaker 5: certain individuals and or groups have committed acts that appear

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Speaker 5: to violate the law and targeting DOGE employees. So he's

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Speaker 5: kind of agreeing with Musk there, But then at the

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Speaker 5: same time, it's just unclear of where this is really

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Speaker 5: where this is really going this is the US Attorney

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Speaker 5: for the District of Columbia region. Because there were conflicting

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Speaker 5: I would say, there's conflicting information about what he's actually

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Speaker 5: talking about there.

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Speaker 4: It could be straight up death threats, and I've seen yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think on Blue Sky there was some circulating that looked.

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Speaker 1: Like pretty patent threats and that.

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Speaker 4: Those are you can't do that, yeah, obviously, and if

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Speaker 4: there's a if there's a clear directed death threat, the

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Speaker 4: FBI should get involved.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Must kind of took that and tried to suggest that,

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Speaker 4: you know, any kind of aggressive criticism of of the

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Speaker 4: Doejay boys is going to be illegal.

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Speaker 1: We'll see.

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Speaker 5: So finally, Kim Kelly reported that sources have told her

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Speaker 5: that DOGE is going after the Department of Labor next.

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Speaker 5: This is the final element for this block, and labor

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01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 5: workers have been ordered to give Dose access to anything

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Speaker 5: they want or risk termination, similar to what we heard

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Speaker 5: about Treasury and USA I D We're supposed to have

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Speaker 5: everything we're doing and do whatever the Dose kids ask.

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Speaker 5: It feels dirty and illegal, that source told Kelly. So

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Speaker 5: this is developing literally by the hour, so we'll obviously

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Speaker 5: keep following it. Crystal Sager will be back here following

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Speaker 5: it more tomorrow because we'll likely have there's more information

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Speaker 5: on what's going on over at Labor.

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Speaker 4: Kelly says there's a rally scheduled for three pm outside

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Speaker 4: the Department of Labor, which is right near where we are.

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Speaker 4: It's two hundred Constitution Avenue, So that's three pm, three

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Speaker 4: pm the day, saying, you know, keep the DOJ kids

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Speaker 4: out of the Department of Labor because they're having a

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Speaker 4: kickoff meeting apparently at four pm between the Department of

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Speaker 4: Labor officials and the DOJ folks.

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Speaker 5: Well, so we've covered Treasury, USAID, now Labor and Ryan

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Speaker 5: at this point we can turn to DOGE and Trump's

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Speaker 5: plans for the Department of Education. Well, earlier in the show,

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Speaker 5: Ryan made the point that Elon Musk is very intentionally

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Speaker 5: using the word revolution for what is happening here in Washington,

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Speaker 5: d C. Just in the early weeks of the second

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump administration, and indeed one of the goals of

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Speaker 5: the Reagan Revolution may be realized by the Trump Revolution.

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Speaker 5: We can put c one on the screen. This is

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Speaker 5: a post from Jeff Mason of the Associated Press, who

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Speaker 5: reported a White House official says Trump will take steps

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Speaker 5: later this month to fulfill a campaign promise to defund

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Speaker 5: the Department of Education. Now, Trump was asked a bit

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Speaker 5: about whether the Department of Education will shut her in

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Speaker 5: the Oval office yesterday. Let's take a listen here, and.

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Speaker 9: I'm the Education Department.

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Speaker 4: Why nominate Linda McMahon to be the Education Department secretary

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Speaker 4: if you're gonna cover to the.

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Speaker 6: Education Because I told Linda, Linda, I hope you do

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Speaker 6: a great job and put yourself out of a job.

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Speaker 9: I want her to put herself out of a job.

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Speaker 9: Education Department.

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Speaker 13: So we're ranked number forty out of forty schools. Right

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Speaker 13: we're ranked number one in costs for pupil, so we

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Speaker 13: spend more for pupil than any other country in the world,

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Speaker 13: and we're ranked at the bottom of the list.

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Speaker 6: We're ranked very badly. And what I want to do

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Speaker 6: is let the States run schools. I believe strongly in

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Speaker 6: school choice, but in addition to that, I want the

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Speaker 6: states to run schools, and I want Linda to put

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Speaker 6: herself out of a job.

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Speaker 7: With an executive order any longer they would like to

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Speaker 7: be able to look if I could give the schools

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Speaker 7: back to Iowa and Idaho, and Indiana and all these

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Speaker 7: places that run properly.

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Speaker 9: There's many of them.

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Speaker 5: No Christmin Ronald Reagan took office, the Department of Education

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Speaker 5: was not even really a decade old. It was something

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Speaker 5: that was brought into existence by Jimmy Carter, and Reagan

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Speaker 5: said the exact same thing about his first Secretary of

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Speaker 5: Education that he wanted the Secretary Bell to put himself

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Speaker 5: out of a job. So this is c three more perfect.

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Speaker 5: Union noted a picked up on a Musk comment that

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Speaker 5: looked back to Reagan, said, actually, that Musk is now

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Speaker 5: saying Reagan campaigned on ending the department and Trump will

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Speaker 5: succeed where Reagan failed. That was a criticism that was

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Speaker 5: floated of Ronald Reagan during his administration from some people

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Speaker 5: on the right that he didn't end up shutting down

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Speaker 5: the Department of Education. He couldn't really get Congresses buy in.

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Speaker 5: And Donald Trump might be in a position now where

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Speaker 5: you look at what happened with USAID or what is

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Speaker 5: happening right now with USAID. One of the ways that

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Speaker 5: maybe skirting Congress is just by quote restructuring it and

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Speaker 5: pairing it back to something very small under the auspices

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Speaker 5: of the state department, so it's not shut down in

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Speaker 5: a case like that, it's just been restructured to the

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Speaker 5: point where it's tiny. Let's take a listen to how

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Speaker 5: Ronald Reagan talked about this early in his presidency. We

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Speaker 5: can roll this clip.

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Speaker 18: We propose to dismantle two cabinet departments, Energy and Education.

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Speaker 18: Both secretaries are wholly in accord with this. Some of

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Speaker 18: the activities in both of these departments will of course

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Speaker 18: be continued, either independently or in other areas of government.

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Speaker 18: There's only one way to shrink the size and cost

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Speaker 18: of big government, and that is by eliminating agencies that

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Speaker 18: are not needed and are getting in the way of

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Speaker 18: a solution. Now, we don't need an energy department to

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Speaker 18: solve our basic energy problem. As long as we let

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Speaker 18: the forces of the marketplace work without undue interference, the

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Speaker 18: ingenuity of consumers, business producers, and inventors will do that

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Speaker 18: for us. Similarly, education is the principal responsibility of local schools, systems, teachers, parents,

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Speaker 18: citizen boards, and state governments. By eliminating the Department of

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Speaker 18: Education less than two years after it was created, we

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Speaker 18: can not only reduce the budget, but ensure that local

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Speaker 18: needs and preferences rather than the wishes of Washington determine

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Speaker 18: the education of our children.

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Speaker 1: Ye.

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Speaker 5: So you note there he was mentioning the Department of

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Speaker 5: Education is like two years old because of something that

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Speaker 5: Jimmy Carter brought into existence and at the time was new. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: now it has been around for decades. So it's quite

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Speaker 5: a different task to sort of wind down the Department

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Speaker 5: of Education. In disclosure, I will say that's something that

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Speaker 5: I'm generally supportive of, with one caveat, which is you

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Speaker 5: need a significant off ramp. So if you have this

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Speaker 5: idea about sending education back to the States, I mean,

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Speaker 5: Trump is absolutely right about the disconnect between the amount

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Speaker 5: of money we spend on students and outcomes. It is

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Speaker 5: shameful and pathetic that it's this is what it looks like.

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Speaker 5: This is how much money we spend and these are

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Speaker 5: the outcomes that we get per student. It's awful. But

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Speaker 5: if there is no off ramp to kind of helping

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Speaker 5: the states re take control of education and make up ground,

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Speaker 5: whether it's money or resources that the federal government had

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Speaker 5: previously provided, and it's just kind of a quick severing

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Speaker 5: of the ties, that is not great either. So you know,

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Speaker 5: this is a significant question about everything that Elon Musk

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Speaker 5: is doing, is whether you know it's worth it to

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Speaker 5: just from even like an ideological conservative perspective, toss a

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Speaker 5: hand grenade into everything, let it fall, let the chips

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Speaker 5: fall where they may, and say it's okay, we'll pick

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Speaker 5: up the pieces later. Probably not probably.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And Trump and Musk are both not well known

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Speaker 4: for their kind of well thought out and smooth transition

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Speaker 4: policies like these are.

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Speaker 1: Much more hand grenade people.

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Speaker 4: I think it's worth contextualizing this as quickly as we can,

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Speaker 4: and you could probably do this better than me. But

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Speaker 4: you know, the fight over public education has been central

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Speaker 4: to our politics over the last one hundred and fifty years.

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Speaker 4: Like when as the as the progressive era you know boomed,

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Speaker 4: you know, that was really the advent of the idea

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Speaker 4: of public education and the idea that every student had

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Speaker 4: a right to a free public education you know, in

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Speaker 4: their in their community. Uh free as in funded both

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Speaker 4: though of course by taxpayers. That ran headlong into the

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Speaker 4: you know, the religious institutions, which you know, Christian churches

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Speaker 4: had been the ones that had you know, had run.

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Speaker 1: Most of the kind of private schools up until that.

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Speaker 4: Time, and and the the Betsy de vas Dominius types

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Speaker 4: you know, very much argued that the public school had,

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Speaker 4: unfortunately in there from their perspective, replaced the church as

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Speaker 4: the central social organizing tool in communities that.

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Speaker 5: The family as well.

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Speaker 4: And and and to some degree of the family that

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Speaker 4: because that you, from their perspective, you need the church

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Speaker 4: to support the family. And so where it used to be,

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Speaker 4: you know, people would go to church on Sundays and

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Speaker 4: it'd be pot lucks and like, and everybody's kind of

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Speaker 4: ethics and social lives would like flow through the local churches.

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Speaker 1: Now pot lucks.

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Speaker 4: Would be organized, you know, they'd be fundraisers for the school,

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Speaker 4: or there would be being a night at the school,

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Speaker 4: or everybody would go on Friday night to watch the

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Speaker 4: teams play and so and certainly what with I've seen

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Speaker 4: it in my own life with kids in elementary and middle school.

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Speaker 1: You're you're the social fabric of.

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Speaker 4: The community does actually, you know, organize itself around the

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Speaker 4: public schools.

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Speaker 1: But so that's the higher level than the mid level

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Speaker 1: one is of.

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Speaker 4: Course, it's it's it's integration with desegregation and the civil

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Speaker 4: rights movement that inherent in this idea that you'd have

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Speaker 4: private schools was the idea that you could have racial segregation.

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Speaker 1: And after you know, Brown v.

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Speaker 4: Board of Education, you have all these different efforts to

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Speaker 4: like keep schools segregated despite despite the laws, fights that

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Speaker 4: are still going on during the Carter years. Carter, you know,

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Speaker 4: sec stickt the i R S in the on Christian

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Speaker 4: private schools right during the during his term. And my

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Speaker 4: understanding is that like it was that and then and

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Speaker 4: there was and there was some desegregation element to that fight,

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Speaker 4: uh that like those so not only are you not

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Speaker 4: not only are you guys furthering segregation, you're getting involved

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Speaker 4: in politics, you're and you're no longer really tax exempt organizations.

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Speaker 1: And so he so he sends.

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Speaker 4: The irs after these schools, and that, in my understand

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Speaker 4: I'm curious if you're taking this really was the gasoline

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Speaker 4: that kicked off the kind of right wing evangelical movement

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Speaker 4: that like once once Carter came after the private schools

1341
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 4: like that that sent them wild. And it helps to

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Speaker 4: explain Reagan coming in. He's and he you know, he's

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Speaker 4: he's coming at both things at once. And the segregation,

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Speaker 4: you know, brownbe Board of Education, and also this like

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Speaker 4: what what they see is this attack on the Christian

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Speaker 4: society and replacing it with this godless public education.

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Speaker 5: I would say there is also, though, a more charitable interpretation,

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01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 5: which is this was in the midst of a pretty

1349
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 5: rapid federalization of a lot of things that hadn't been

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01:13:54,960 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 5: federalized for many years, and that includes absolutely civil rights

1351
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 5: we didn't have prior to the Civil Rights Act in

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Speaker 5: the early to mid nineteen sixties, this sort of federal

1353
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 5: hand in local private businesses. And you know, there are

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Speaker 5: a lot of conservatives who will still argue brand Paul

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Speaker 5: among them against like ideologically, against the Civil Rights Act

1356
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 5: of nineteen sixty four and the subsequent civil rights legislation

1357
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 5: in the same way that Barry Goldwater did. And Reagan

1358
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 5: really comes out of the Barry Goldwater movement, and most

1359
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Speaker 5: of the sort of people that staffed the Reagan administration

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Speaker 5: and the campaign came out of that movement. And there

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01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 5: was tension, There's no question about it. There was always

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01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 5: a lot of tension about it. But this was this

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01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 5: sort of ideological, i don't know, like shock to the

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Speaker 5: conservative mind that suddenly for an extraordinarily just and important cause,

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Speaker 5: which was civil rights. It's kind of what happens with

1366
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 5: the Southern strategy, Like it's sort of how things end

1367
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 5: up flipping and George Wallace comes along and all of that.

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Speaker 5: You have conservatives some reacting by saying, this is going

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01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 5: to put us in trouble down the road. This like

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Speaker 5: Civil rights administration, it's rapidly being federalized from the Department

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Speaker 5: of Education. Was one of the focal points for conservatives

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Speaker 5: by saying, now you have the federal government with sort

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01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 5: of its hands in every local school district, and that

1374
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 5: sounds great on paper, and it will backfire immensely eventually.

1375
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 5: And a lot of conservative looked at like the last

1376
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 5: five ten years in education and said, this is kind

1377
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 5: of whatever had always been talking about. Christopher Caldwell wrote

1378
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 5: a book called The Age of Entitlements back in I

1379
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 5: think that came out like in twenty sixteen, saying it's

1380
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 5: kind of making it like Goldwater is right argument all along.

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Speaker 5: But no, I mean, I think that's the tension was

1382
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 5: between the conservative ideologues who, from a charitable perspective, just

1383
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 5: had this very deep revulsion to the idea of the

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01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 5: federal government. Within a you know, period of twenty years,

1385
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 5: suddenly taking over so much from local control, and then

1386
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,600
Speaker 5: people who actually were segregationists and racists, and that was

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01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 5: significant tension. The Department of Education was very much the

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Speaker 5: center of that.

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Speaker 4: And so the reason Reagan failed is that you need

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Speaker 4: Congress to get rid of the Department of Education because

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Speaker 4: the Education Department is congressionally authorized and appropriated by Congress,

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Speaker 4: so there are rules.

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Speaker 1: This is not Vietnam, and so Trump.

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Speaker 4: The reporting is that Trump's executive order is going to

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Speaker 4: move elements of the Education Department that are not legally

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Speaker 4: required to be under it elsewhere. And then, and as

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Speaker 4: we talked about in the last block, he's using he's

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Speaker 4: going to push the Impoundment Control Act powers as far

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Speaker 4: as he can and perhaps just defund different programs which

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01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 4: according to the current law would be illegal. Whether the

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01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 4: courts let him get away with it is a different question.

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01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 4: And if Elon Musk's hackers can like hide that you're

1403
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 4: even doing it, then then who knows. Now, there are

1404
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 4: also significant laws on the books that people will notice

1405
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,879
Speaker 4: if he's breaking them. So I think there are roughly

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01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 4: One of them is called the idea like Individuals with

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01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 4: Disabilities and Education Act, and a lot of viewers are

1408
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,480
Speaker 4: probably familiar with it because they interact with it.

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Speaker 1: It is the.

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01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 4: Federal law that says that public schools are required to

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Speaker 4: teach and to basically cater to children who have disabilities,

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Speaker 4: special education, or different types of contingencies that they would be.

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Speaker 1: Offered within mainstream classrooms.

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Speaker 4: Something like fifteen million students currently have protections under this law.

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01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 4: And this can be a spectrum. This can can go

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01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 4: from you can have extra time to take a test

1417
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 4: because you have ADHD all the way to you know,

1418
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 4: significant interventions in a special education classroom, or even funding

1419
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 4: to go to a school if the public school it's

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01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 4: a private school, if the public school is not equipped

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01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 4: to handle it. So you're running headlong. If you go

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Speaker 4: after that, you're running headlong into many millions of people

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Speaker 4: who are currently you know, fifteen million kids. You know,

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Speaker 4: that's thirty million parents, that's fifty million aunts and uncles.

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Speaker 4: You're running headlong into that. Then, of course there is

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Speaker 4: tel grants, other financial aid for college that is required

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Speaker 4: by law. Now can you move that under somewhere else?

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Speaker 4: Then you have student loan repayments. Biden you may not

1429
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 4: have noticed, was not allowed, you know, people did notice

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Speaker 4: that he was not allowed by the Supreme Court to

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Speaker 4: kind of restructure and forgive some significant number of student

1432
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 4: loan debts. But what he did do is set up

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01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 4: this repayment schedule that makes it actually genuinely affordable for

1434
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 4: people who are in enormous amounts of debt and caps

1435
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 4: what you owe the amount of income you have, like

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01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 4: they're trying to make it a fair system. You know,

1437
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 4: if if you have a huge amount of debt, you

1438
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,879
Speaker 4: have a small amount of income, then you owe this smaller,

1439
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 4: much smaller amount of money until when and when your

1440
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 4: ship comes in, then you owe us more.

1441
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: Like that's how a decent society kind of ought to

1442
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: be organized.

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01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 4: If you get rid of the education Department, then who's

1444
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 4: collecting these loans, Who's who is implementing these programs?

1445
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: Do people just stop paying their loans?

1446
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 4: No, I doubt you know, that's that's highly unlikely. That

1447
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:02,640
Speaker 4: would be incredibly ironic if the Supreme Court is like, no,

1448
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 4: you can't do this student loan payment policy, but yeah,

1449
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 4: you can actually go ahead and just get rid of

1450
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 4: the entire education Department. I mean wouldn't necessarily put it

1451
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 4: past them, but it would be it would be certainly

1452
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 4: the height of irony. Somebody joked on Twitter, like, let

1453
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 4: me get this right. So to do progressive legislation, you

1454
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 4: need sixty votes. To do national conservatism, you don't need

1455
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 4: any votes at all, Like that's the just so we're

1456
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 4: clear on the different rules that apply here.

1457
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it is kind of what's funny in

1458
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 5: all of this. The extent we can find humor is

1459
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 5: that conservatives were saying, part of the problem with federalizing

1460
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 5: all of this is that at one point someone can

1461
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 5: just come in and flip a switch because it's so central.

1462
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: Elon Musk's boys have found the switches.

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01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 5: Hey, they're looking for them. The maga the quote Maga

1464
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 5: chuds as Lomas said on Twitter. So there is a

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Speaker 5: I should say, just as we were talking, I pulled

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01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 5: up the Project twenty twenty five Education Department.

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01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, they assured us had nothing to

1468
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: do with Trump and would definitely not be implemented in

1469
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,600
Speaker 1: any way, which, to be which we reported was a

1470
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: total lie.

1471
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Speaker 5: Yes, we covered that.

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Speaker 1: Watch this show. You're not surprised by any of this, No.

1473
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 5: Not at all. We cover that extensively, and in fact,

1474
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 5: that was a huge part of my conversation with Ezra Clins,

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01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 5: like they're of course going to be using Project twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty five. Hello. Now that is to say Trump still

1477
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 5: had nothing to do with Project twenty twenty five. He wouldn't,

1478
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 5: like really care. I would spend like ten seconds reading

1479
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Speaker 5: what I'm looking at right now, and you'd be like Reenipedia.

1480
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 5: But they do have I mean a lot of this

1481
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 5: is kind of off ramp type stuff. So, for example,

1482
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,839
Speaker 5: restore revenue responsibility for Title one funding to the States

1483
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,560
Speaker 5: over a ten year period. Like if you're trying to conceptualize,

1484
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 5: as I am, what this would mean for your community,

1485
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 5: your local school immediately if it were to happen. The

1486
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 5: plan in Project twenty twenty five, which I'm sure is

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Speaker 5: something that's on the desks of people Linda McMahon's circles

1488
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 5: and Elon Muss's circles because frankly was a mega friendly

1489
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,799
Speaker 5: conservative plan that people put a lot of time into.

1490
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 5: It does look like it's significantly off ramping things and

1491
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 5: not immediately cutting them. But we'll have to I actually

1492
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 5: think we might be able to get the person who

1493
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 5: wrote this too good back to us.

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Speaker 1: It's good.

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01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 4: Look, yeah, and I mean we know we can also

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01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 4: put up C five here, which is early indications from

1497
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 4: from Patty Murray, who would be the senator who kind

1498
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 4: of oversees this on the Democratic side. She's she's hearing

1499
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 4: that the doggy committee people have gone in so sorry

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Speaker 4: DOJ Committee people have gone into veterans affairs now and

1501
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 4: are are thumbing through all of the kind of information

1502
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 4: around those payments.

1503
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: The VA is in the desperate need of reform. Veterans

1505
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 4: medical records are not in desperate need of DOJ Committee

1506
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 4: people thumbing through them. So this is something people are

1507
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 4: going to keep an eye on too, because these are.

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01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: There's fragile and sensitive systems. And by the.

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01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 4: Separately and actually relatedly, Musk is out here, by the way,

1510
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 4: if you haven't noticed, accusing everyone he sees on his

1511
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 4: website of breaking the law. He accused Milan Omar the

1512
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 4: other day of breaking the law because she was giving

1513
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 4: general advice to people here illegally about how to like,

1514
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 4: you know, not incriminate yourself. Be like saying that it's

1515
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 4: illegal to, you know, tell somebody about their Fifth Amendment rights.

1516
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 4: It is specifically illegal to aid a specific individual person

1517
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 4: here illegally like that that actually is a crime, but

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01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 4: giving general advice is a First Amendment protected act. So anyway,

1519
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 4: and then anybody who says something mean about the Doggie Committee,

1520
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 4: he says, you're breaking the law, he should he should check.

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01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 4: There are the federal the federal books are filled with

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01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 4: laws around privacy and record protections that he and his

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01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:22,480
Speaker 4: DOJ boys seem to be breaking at a just absolutely

1524
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 4: relentless clip.

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01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 5: A lot of this is going to be tested in

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01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 5: the courts and already is to some extent, but we'll

1527
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 5: see if some of it ends up getting rolled back.

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01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 5: But he's i mean his status as a special government employee,

1529
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 5: which is what the White House says he's taken on.

1530
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 5: If you go read the Justice Departments outlined restrictions for

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01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 5: somebody who's a special government employee. Unless Elon Musk takes

1532
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 5: very quick and significant steps to deal with his financial

1533
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 5: conflicts he's in flagor violation or gets some type of

1534
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 5: special waiver for them, which as yet he doesn't have.

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01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 5: He may be able to get that quick order now

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01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 5: that Pambondi has been confirmed, but it's impossible to see

1537
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 5: how what he's doing sort of fits within those boundaries.

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01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it doesn't.

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01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 4: I mean, which he you know, he called it a revolution.

1540
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 4: And so if the revolution fails, like if you come

1541
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 4: at the king and you miss, yeah, you actually in

1542
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 4: this country, you get a second shot, as we showed

1543
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 4: after January sixth, let's if you don't get.

1544
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: A third shot.

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01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 4: Four people who are curious, buddy mine collected some of

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01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 4: these eighteen USC. Fifteen oh five, fifteen nineteen, twenty seventy one,

1547
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 4: Federal Records Act, you get five USC. Five point fifty two,

1548
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 4: the e Government Act of two thousand and two, the

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01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 4: Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act, the Digital Accountability and

1550
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 4: Transparency Act, eighteen USC.

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01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: Two eight eighteen USC. Two five. There's there's a.

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01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 4: Ton of them, and each of them have, you know,

1553
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 4: the various penalties with them, and each record could be

1554
01:25:55,000 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 4: an offense. And we're talking about hundreds of millions of records. Said,

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01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 4: this is not a time of home monitors. It's a

1556
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 4: time of revolutions. So if it moves back towards the

1557
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 4: time of home monitors, those are the crimes that we

1558
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 4: know you're committing, and they're probably a bunch of others.

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01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 4: So I guess the advice would be your revolution better work.

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01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 5: I wish we had your Lenin book behind us.

1561
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 1: I actually not have it back.

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01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 5: We'll have to put it back up. But anyways, I.

1563
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 4: Feel like I feel like Kerensky being like the provisional

1564
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 4: government authority here is dually constituted by.

1565
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: The Duma, and you're not able to just take power.

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01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 1: Proff is reading the book.

1567
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 4: It's an incredible book, that that biography of Lenin that

1568
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 4: was up there.

1569
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 5: So let's move on to Republicans actually embracing with some hesitation,

1570
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 5: fully embracing Tulsei Gabbard and Robert F. Kennedy Junior, and

1571
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 5: the Senate yesterday Robert F. Kennedy Junior and Tulsi Gabbard

1572
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 5: made it out of committees active committees that they're being

1573
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 5: considered before the Senate yesterday. And this is significant because

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01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 5: there was a point about a week ago Ryan where

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01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 5: it was seeming like because of Bill Cassidy in particular,

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01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 5: who is a doctor and likes to have everyone know

1577
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 5: that he's a doctor, and Susan Collins, fairly hawkish Republican,

1578
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 5: it seems as though they might be so pressured out

1579
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 5: of voting for Robert Kennaji or actually they wouldn't have

1580
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 5: needed too much pressure in either direction. But because Susan

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01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 5: Collins obviously represents a state that is not super friendly

1582
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 5: to Republicans always, she's up. So that looked like it

1583
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 5: pretty Jared Golden, But you know what I mean, Tulsea

1584
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 5: Gabbard I think probably plays well in Maine. This is

1585
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 5: a type of Democrat that probably plays well former Democrats.

1586
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 5: I should say that probably.

1587
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, this is a voting no.

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01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,719
Speaker 4: For Susan Collins would have cost her more with Trump's people,

1589
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 4: I think so. Yeah, yeah, I think that's Colin's obvious

1590
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 4: political choice was voting for Tulsi here.

1591
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I agree with that. But even Todd Young,

1592
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 5: who's somebody that was a fairly like red state Republican,

1593
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 5: he's from Indiana, had his famous back and forth we'll

1594
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 5: get into this in a minute with Musk right right,

1595
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 5: he was.

1596
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: Called like a deep state call him a deep state stooge.

1597
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, stooge or something like that, and then flipped me.

1598
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 5: Musk flipped right away and said, my apologies. I talked

1599
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 5: to Todd Young on the phone, and he's a stalwart

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01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 5: MAGA defender.

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01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 1: Well, who flipped there? Sounds like Todd Young is the

1602
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:33,719
Speaker 1: one who flipped.

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01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 5: Well, he seemed to be planning the seeds of like

1604
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 5: possibly voting against gab.

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01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: Right and then he was like no, no, no, never mind.

1606
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 5: And so I think the question here is similar to

1607
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 5: the question between Trump and the oligarchs that were sitting

1608
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 5: behind him on his inaugural dais is who conquered who? Right? Like,

1609
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 5: who is the conqueror in this situation? Was Tulsi and

1610
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 5: RFK Junior? Were they the ones who are now captured

1611
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 5: and in the pocket of the quote unquote deep State?

1612
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 5: And Bill Cassidy did RFK Junior Absolutely no favors in

1613
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,719
Speaker 5: that direction. We can put D two up on the screen.

1614
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,679
Speaker 5: Cassidy said he was able to get a significant number

1615
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 5: of concessions out of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. In exchange

1616
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 5: for his vote. He said that they're going to have

1617
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 5: monthly meetings. It was sort of like a babysitting arrangement,

1618
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 5: kind of said CDC will not remove statements on their

1619
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 5: website pointing out the vaccines do not cause autism. He'll

1620
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 5: maintained that he'll maintain the Centers for Disease Control and

1621
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 5: Preventions Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices recommendations without changes, and

1622
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 5: said he would not create a parallel structure for vaccine approval.

1623
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 5: There's a lot more, but these are already just sort

1624
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 5: of I've run through here fairly significant concessions. It's also

1625
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 5: worth noting that Tulca Gabbard basically flipped on Section seven

1626
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 5: oh two in order to and Snowden. In order to

1627
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 5: kind of Snowden. She refused to call him a trader, right,

1628
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 5: which I thought was I mean whatever. I actually thought

1629
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 5: that was a fairly principled mood. If it would have

1630
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 5: been pretty easy to say yes, you know, and say like,

1631
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 5: yes he was a trader for the reasons X.

1632
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: Y and Z, she didn't do that because she knows

1633
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 1: he's not.

1634
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 5: She does not believe in section seven or two or

1635
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 5: believe that Edward Snowden is a trader.

1636
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: So we will see how she asks to be clear

1637
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: on Snowden.

1638
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 4: The knock against him is that he's in Russia. Pardon

1639
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 4: the guy, and he'll come home like he's in Russia

1640
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 4: because the US stopped his plane on the ground in

1641
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 4: Moscow and basically forced him off the plane.

1642
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: Yes, so the US pushed him into into Russia.

1643
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 5: So and Telsea Gabbert I think also said she would

1644
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 5: do a very important thing if she's confirmed, which is

1645
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 5: have a direct hotline. This could go many different ways,

1646
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 5: but she said she would have a direct hotline to

1647
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 5: her for whistleblowers. And that is exactly how you prevent

1648
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 5: a snowden because he tried to blow the whistle, as

1649
01:30:56,479 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 5: many whistleblowers did, without success on what the government was doing.

1650
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 5: And that's actually a significant component of how that entire

1651
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 5: story unfolded. That gets completely right right.

1652
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 4: And also, like telling the government what they're doing when

1653
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 4: it is like top down, secret government policy and they're

1654
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 4: doing it on purpose is kind of pointless. It's like, hey,

1655
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 4: do you guys know that you are, you know, tapping

1656
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 4: everybody's phone here through these like underground cables and reading

1657
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 4: everybody saying well, yes, we know we're doing that.

1658
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,480
Speaker 1: We're because we do it on purpose. It wasn't.

1659
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 4: Whistleblowing is effective internally against a rogue project, but not

1660
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,719
Speaker 4: against a project that is in line with the actual

1661
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 4: top down policy.

1662
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:40,679
Speaker 1: And so on.

1663
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 4: On doctor Cassidy, So he's a doctor. Uh, I'm curious

1664
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 4: for your take on the politics of what moved him.

1665
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 4: He committed the unforgivable sin. If I recall correctly, of

1666
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 4: voting for Trump's impeachment.

1667
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:55,839
Speaker 1: He did, and so.

1668
01:31:55,880 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 4: He has a target on his back primary. Do you

1669
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 4: think that Trump and Musk promised to help him out

1670
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 4: if he would get on side for the next for

1671
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 4: the foreseeable future, Well.

1672
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 5: They definitely promised to make his life impossible if he didn't.

1673
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 5: So there were threats from Nicole Shanahan even like Megan McCain. Oh,

1674
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 5: that was a tulsy gabbard one. Actually never mind, so

1675
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 5: scratch that on Cassidy. But Nicole Shanahan and Elon Musk

1676
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 5: were Cassidy, by the way, already has a primary challenger

1677
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 5: who announced.

1678
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 1: The backlashes December. He gets ten million dollars Elon Musk

1679
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 1: and Trump's endorsement.

1680
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 5: Right, So did Cassidy not only manage to stave off

1681
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 5: potentially that scenario where there's a ton of cash going

1682
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 5: be infused into his opponent's coffers, but did he also

1683
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 5: secure significant funding from Trump and Musk and potentially stave

1684
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,440
Speaker 5: off a mega challenge just in terms of like endorsements

1685
01:32:56,439 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 5: and resources. I don't know, it's entirely. He sort of

1686
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 5: likes to march to the beat of his own drum.

1687
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 5: He's from obviously a politically fascinating state, sort of thought

1688
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 5: of as a deep red southern state, but definitely more

1689
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 5: interesting than that.

1690
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: The Democrats governor's mansion, right.

1691
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 5: And it's a fairly recent like flip to we don't

1692
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 5: have to get into the history. But anyway, he feels

1693
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 5: more comfortable marching in the beat of his own drum.

1694
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 5: But that's what's interesting. I think about somebody like Robert F.

1695
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 5: Kennedy Junior, or Tulsa Gabbard and Susan Collins case. If

1696
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 5: you go out and talk to average people, some of

1697
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 5: them really hate Robert F. Kennedy Junior. A whole lot

1698
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 5: of them really love ROBERTIF. Kennedy Junr. And it's easy

1699
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 5: to rage against that from Washington, but it's harder when

1700
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,600
Speaker 5: you're on the ground in your own state like Louisiana,

1701
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:50,640
Speaker 5: to talk to especially Republican voters. He said, you know,

1702
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 5: you heard a lot from pediatricians that opposed Robert F.

1703
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 5: Kennedy Junior's nomination, and so as a doctor that was

1704
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 5: weighing on him, I may continue to weigh on him.

1705
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 4: But key concession, then, keeping the vaccine protocol as it

1706
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 4: is is a key concession to the pediatricians there.

1707
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 5: I would think that's enormously significant from their perspective. So, yeah,

1708
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 5: this is the question for Tulca, Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Junior,

1709
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 5: and the entire the.

1710
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 1: Anti Measles coalition coming together here.

1711
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 5: Well, the entire MAHA agenda hinges on Robert F. Kennedy

1712
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 5: Junior being doing sort of what Musk has been doing

1713
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 5: at other agencies to his own agency, significant radical reform.

1714
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 5: You know, when Brooke Rollins was confirmed as Secretary Department

1715
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 5: of Agriculture, a lot of people Matthew Stoller pointed this out,

1716
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,520
Speaker 5: were wondering in the MAHA movement why she moved immediately

1717
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 5: to you know, force California to sell the meat of

1718
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 5: created pigs. Change in regulatory interpretation there. So yeah, I don't.

1719
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,440
Speaker 1: And they backed off their promise to ban forever chemicals.

1720
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it was.

1721
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 5: A Biden regulation the band forever chemicals that was rolled back. Yeah. So,

1722
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 5: and that's obviously not Kennedy's department. But how serious is

1723
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 5: Trump world about Maha? The voters, if you talk to voters,

1724
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 5: they're extremely serious about Maha. The ideological conservative movement is

1725
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 5: very serious now about Maha, partially because they know they

1726
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 5: have to be. But how serious will the administration be?

1727
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 4: I don't know when they come up in conflict with plastics,

1728
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 4: which is the oil industry.

1729
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 5: And whoever funds Bill Cassidy and pharma, which I should

1730
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 5: be more precise about. I don't have it in front

1731
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 5: of me. I assume that he gets significant money from them.

1732
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,799
Speaker 5: So I think your theory is probably sound.

1733
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 4: Good place for a rubber meets the road metaphor robber

1734
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Speaker 4: meeting the road. It spits those forever chemicals right into

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Speaker 4: your bloodstream.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the pfest rubbers meeting the road is meeting the

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01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 5: pothole riddled road. Then Bernie, yes, Bernie did not just

1738
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:57,639
Speaker 5: reluctantly say he was voting against Robert F. Kennedy Junior,

1739
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 5: somebody who you may know more about this than I do.

1740
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 5: I think Bernie probably for a long time. So Robert F.

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01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 5: Kny Junior is sort of a coup in the Kennedy

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01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 5: family from a leftist perspective, somebody who was an ally

1743
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,640
Speaker 5: in the fight against like big corporations because of his

1744
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 5: environmental work. But Bernie Sanders put out a scathing statement,

1745
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 5: let's put D three on the screen, said, you know,

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01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 5: we don't disagree on everything, but he said, I cannot

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01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 5: in good conscious support someone who denies and will dilute

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01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 5: our public health protections so distress in science and overseeing

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01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 5: massive cuts to healthcare programs for vulnerable Americans. Vaccines were

1750
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 5: obviously friend of mine for Bernie Sanders, Ryan, do you have

1751
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 5: any other context you think is useful in the Sanders

1752
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 5: RFK jor war that's bloomed?

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Speaker 4: And I feel like culturally Sanders has become a fairly

1754
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 4: normy Democrat, interesting and like culturally when it comes to

1755
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 4: the pandemic and the way that Democrats approached the pandemic,

1756
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 4: like you would have imagined a world in which he

1757
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 4: went either way on that, and he went the way

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Speaker 4: that he went, And I think that and you know, also,

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Speaker 4: I don't know how much of a role it played,

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01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 4: but RFK Junior is like obnoxious and willfully dishonest attack

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Speaker 4: on him as being in the pocket of pharmac CEOs

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01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 4: and then seeing like so many morons like circulate that

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Speaker 4: video as like evidence that, oh we discovered that Bernie

1764
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 4: Sanders is actually corrupt. And for people that didn't watch this,

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Speaker 4: RFK Junior did this thing where he's like you said,

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Speaker 4: you don't take money from you know, the pharma CEOs,

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Speaker 4: but actually it says you took.

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Speaker 1: A million plus dollars.

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Speaker 4: It's like, bro, those are like pharmacists, those pharmaceutical reps.

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Speaker 4: Those are people who work for in manufacturing of pharmaceuticals.

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01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,759
Speaker 4: Like the pharmaceutical industry is a multi billion dollar industry

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Speaker 4: which contains workers.

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Speaker 1: If you go and look go to like uh, go

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Speaker 1: to go to Open Secrets.

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Speaker 4: And look at Bernie's, like top industries and supporthim, it'll

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01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 4: be like Amazon, Walmart, you know, the pharmaceutical industry, the

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Speaker 4: plenty from the oil industry. Like that's because that's where

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01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 4: people in our economy work.

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Speaker 1: They are workers.

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Speaker 4: It'd be like something and Bernie Centers is in the

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01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:30,839
Speaker 4: pocket of Amazon or Walmart, like because people at Walmart

1782
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 4: are giving him twenty five dollars. It's it's so dumb

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01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 4: that it's like it crosses the threshold into being offensive.

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Speaker 4: And so I could imagine that at Bernie's, like you

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01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 4: know what f this guy, Which that's not how you

1786
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 4: should do politics.

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Speaker 1: And you got to put the path go past those lights.

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Speaker 4: But it's also so dumb that you're like, so either

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Speaker 4: this guy is this deeply dishonest that he's going to

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01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 4: make this a which is does not speak to qualifications

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Speaker 4: for a secretary, or he's so dumb that he doesn't

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Speaker 4: know what it means to get twenty five thirty dollars.

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Speaker 1: Contributions from workers. Yeah, he knows, he.

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Speaker 4: Would hope so because he himself ran for president, well

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01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 4: he can go to open secrets and see his own

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Speaker 4: top industry.

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Speaker 5: He's a significant student, Like here's a long time student

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Speaker 5: of money in politics, and he's serious about it.

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Speaker 1: So then it'ses.

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Speaker 5: He definitely knows. And I think in his case, he

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Speaker 5: feels like a lot of the attacks on him have

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Speaker 5: been dishonest, and there's just a lot of attacks on him,

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01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 5: so of course some of them have been dishonest. But

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01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 5: that seemed like an odd way to talk to Bernie Sanders,

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01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 5: somebody who does have a lot of common cause.

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Speaker 1: Was exactly.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, if you're watching this clock in

1808
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:49,839
Speaker 4: your mind, anybody that treated that as a serious attack,

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01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 4: and do not listen to them about anything ever again

1810
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 4: because they think you're an idiot. If you are an idiot,

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01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 4: then continue to listen to them.

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Speaker 5: It is sort of a funny litmus test for people

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01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 5: who don't like look at the FEC data a lot,

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01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 5: right whenever someone does that.

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Speaker 4: So I'm speaking to the not idiots who like and

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01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 4: people who are casually following this and like like, oh wow,

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Speaker 4: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: That's really interesting to me.

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Speaker 4: They are playing on you because they're playing you because

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01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:18,719
Speaker 4: they think that you're not going to look one layer deeper.

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01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,719
Speaker 1: So don't listen to them ever again, or some of them.

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01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 5: Just don't know and are like new to this, speaking

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Speaker 5: of which, by the way, can confirm that Bill Cassidy

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Speaker 5: is a major recipient of donations, not merely from people

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Speaker 5: who work in pharma, but from packs.

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Speaker 4: So yes, there you go, right, there's packs, there's CEOs,

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Speaker 4: there's executives. Those are the people that give you the

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Speaker 4: max donations or the five thousand, six thousand dollars checks. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's completely different than somebody cutting you thirty dollars and

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01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:47,000
Speaker 4: then it says employer you ever given money, It asks

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Speaker 4: you your employer, and then that puts you into an industry.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, So if we gave money, we would put

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Speaker 5: down journalists or media and then it would clock as

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Speaker 5: if you're reading the FEC or for it's as hepathetically,

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Speaker 5: Bernie Sanders just took money from the media media, and

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Speaker 5: so it would look similar to if like funny enough,

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Speaker 5: like the head of NBC News or the head of

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Speaker 5: NBC Universal as a media company, it would look the same. Yeah, right,

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01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:18,719
Speaker 5: So anyway, you can find all kinds of strange stuff

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Speaker 5: in there if you go into the FEC reports. But Ryan,

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01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:26,240
Speaker 5: you picked up on this really interesting report in the

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Speaker 5: New York Times on housing that we want to get to.

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Speaker 4: New article with Pro public in the New York Times,

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Speaker 4: So you can put this E one up on the

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Speaker 4: screen here. It's a deep look at the fluctuations in

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Speaker 4: home values relative to regions in the country that are

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Speaker 4: being hit or not hit by climate implications. So what

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Speaker 4: this is doing, I think kind of for the first time,

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Speaker 4: it's relying on a lot of data from the the

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Speaker 4: Financial Street, which tries to figure out, you know, which

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01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 4: direction how real estate prices are heading for their own

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Speaker 4: kind of internal commercial reasons.

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Speaker 1: They teamed up with ProPublica New York.

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Speaker 4: Times to unload a bunch of their datas they could

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01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 4: so they could try to clock it by climate and

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01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 4: so what what they find. What they found shouldn't be

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Speaker 4: surprising to anybody, but has deeply profound implications, and we

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01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 4: can actually put up E.

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Speaker 1: Two. They have a couple of these maps that that.

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Speaker 4: May make clear what's going on. You can see the

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Speaker 4: red there is basically a heat map of where you

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Speaker 4: are screwed if you own if you own property, and

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01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:44,720
Speaker 4: the clearer it is, the better off you are in

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Speaker 4: terms of climate implications. And so what they're what they're

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Speaker 4: finding here is that over the next thirty years they

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Speaker 4: expect home prices to not rise very you know, substantially

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Speaker 4: on average. But when you break it out by climate implications,

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Speaker 4: if you are in a place impacted by severe weather

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Speaker 4: and flooding, you're looking at over the next thirty or

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Speaker 4: something like a six percent decline, whereas if you're not,

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Speaker 4: you're looking at something like a ten percent increase. The

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Speaker 4: American dream has been built around the idea that home

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Speaker 4: prices are going to continue to rise. That that's how

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Speaker 4: you build your wealth, and that's the wealth that you're

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01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:28,720
Speaker 4: eventually able to pass down to your family. Something like

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01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 4: two thirds of adults own homes, and more as you

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Speaker 4: get as you get older, and they First Street is

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Speaker 4: estimating that five million people will move this next year

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Speaker 4: significantly as a result of these climate implications, and they're

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Speaker 4: saying that along with kind of location, seafront view of

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Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, and public schools, like the quality

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Speaker 4: of the school in the area, climate is becoming for

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Speaker 4: home buyers something that they are now actively considering.

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Speaker 1: Anything in this surprise you.

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Speaker 4: And more importantly, do you think the implications are going

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Speaker 4: to be as profound as their forecasting?

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Speaker 5: Yes, but probably from a different perspective here if we

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Speaker 5: put the two back up on the screen. One of

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Speaker 5: the interesting things here, we were just talking about Senator

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Speaker 5: Bill Cassidy of Louisiana look at the dark red in

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Speaker 5: southern Louisiana. Well, we were talking about what industries he

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01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:35,559
Speaker 5: takes money from. One of them actually is construction. And

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Speaker 5: what's funny about that is almost a decade ago, is

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Speaker 5: working on a story about flood insurance reform. That really

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01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 5: opened up my eyes. So a lot of the ways

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Speaker 5: that we subsidize rebuilding in areas like that, and Cassidy

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Speaker 5: was sort of opposed to this very conservative, ideologically conservative

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Speaker 5: idea about flood insurance reform. And you know in states

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Speaker 5: like Louisiana, states like Florida. I remember when we talked

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Speaker 5: about in Miami each when the condo complex collapsed several

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01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 5: years ago. This is why I think the implications of

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01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 5: it are going to be profound, because we've had these

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01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 5: technological advances in the last one hundred years that have

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01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 5: allowed us to feel like we conquered nature and to

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01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 5: build in these areas that are vulnerable when the climate

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01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:25,240
Speaker 5: change is naturally or otherwise. And whether you believe in

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01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 5: man made anthropogenic climate change, whether you believe that or not,

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01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 5: the climate changes, like you don't even have to buy

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01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:38,000
Speaker 5: into the ideology of climate change to recognize that some

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01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:41,640
Speaker 5: of these developments, you know what's been built up in California.

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Speaker 5: I talked to James Pogue and Leighton Woodhust about this

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Speaker 5: on Undercurrents recently. This is new developments over the course

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01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 5: of one hundred years that sprang up really quickly because

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01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:52,800
Speaker 5: we were able to build quickly. We were able to

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Speaker 5: build clothes, we were able to build these areas that

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01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:59,599
Speaker 5: required conquering nature. And so that if you're somebody who

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01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 5: doesn't believe in anthropogenic climate change, the climate is going

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Speaker 5: to change no matter what. So you have to have

1919
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:09,360
Speaker 5: a plan for people's properties because that's important to them.

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Speaker 5: It's what the American dream is, the cornerstone of the

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Speaker 5: American dream, literally, the cornerstone of the American dream. So

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Speaker 5: I totally agree that this is a significant, massively significant issue.

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Speaker 4: And the phenomenon that this article zeros in on is

1924
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:33,080
Speaker 4: the way that climate denialism, fueled by governments has blocked, interestingly,

1925
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 4: the market from producing the signals that it otherwise would

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01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 4: have produced that would have driven home construction and population

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Speaker 4: dispersal that would have been more in line with climate developments.

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Speaker 1: In other words, in Florida is a good example.

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Speaker 4: The insurance industry has been at the forefront of the

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Speaker 4: climate science. They're like, have fun over here with your

1931
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 4: documentaries pretending that climate's not real. Like we have actual

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01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 4: skin in the game, we have money on the line.

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Speaker 4: We're going to study the actual implications of the changing climate.

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Speaker 4: And they looked at these studies and they came back

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Speaker 4: and they're like, Oh, this used to be one hundred

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Speaker 4: year floodplane. This is a fifty year floodplane. This was

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Speaker 4: a ten year flood this is now a two year floodplane.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna get flood every two years. Therefore, here's what

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Speaker 4: you're going to pay for your insurance. So insurance hazard

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Speaker 4: insurance used to be they estimate about six percent of

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Speaker 4: your overall kind of monthly mortgage payment, and so it

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01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:43,640
Speaker 4: was relatively trivial. It wasn't something that people really factored in.

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01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 4: Now it's pushing closer to twenty and it is growing

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Speaker 4: faster than inflation, which is which is the reason then

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Speaker 4: that you have to factor it in as you're thinking

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Speaker 4: about where you're going to buy.

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Speaker 1: Well, people don't like to do that.

1948
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Speaker 4: People then complain to their county commissioners, to their state lawmakers,

1949
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Speaker 4: to their members of Congress, and those lawmakers say, that

1950
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 4: is really unfair of those insurance companies to be charging that.

1951
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Speaker 4: So we're going to subsidize it, and we're going to

1952
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Speaker 4: make a law that they have to do it, et cetera. Yeah,

1953
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Speaker 4: and so here I am on the left talking about

1954
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Speaker 4: the free market and its value in setting signals, and

1955
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Speaker 4: so then yeah, people are like, okay, great, thank you

1956
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Speaker 4: for that.

1957
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Speaker 1: We will build here.

1958
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Speaker 5: But it's not just about signals. It's about people's physical safety.

1959
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:31,519
Speaker 5: And I remember that I was actually talking to Sean

1960
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 5: Duffy about this at the time. This was when I

1961
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,920
Speaker 5: was doing a flod insurance reform story, the NFIP, the

1962
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:41,719
Speaker 5: National Flundaform, right, yeah, yeah, Well, the NFIP subsidizes rebuilding

1963
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 5: homes and genuinely dangerous floodplains over and over again. So

1964
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:49,639
Speaker 5: in Houston, for example, people who are like low income,

1965
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 5: middle income who own these homes keep rebuilding because it's

1966
01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:56,600
Speaker 5: subsidized in these very dangerous places. And it's a not

1967
01:48:56,800 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 5: ideal situation at all. And so there's serious problems with

1968
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:06,680
Speaker 5: the programs that you get incentivized because of crony capitalism

1969
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:09,040
Speaker 5: to keep redoing and redoing. And Duffy was trying to

1970
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 5: lead the charge against it at the time. Now he's

1971
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:15,720
Speaker 5: Transportation Secretary. But it does create these really perverse systems

1972
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:19,760
Speaker 5: of incentives, and so the insurance system, I mean, I

1973
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,800
Speaker 5: think this Times report is interesting from the perspective of

1974
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 5: like where insurance companies are coming down on this and

1975
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 5: how they're looking to influence government policies amidst all of this. Like,

1976
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:37,519
Speaker 5: there's serious problems with both people have genuine interests here

1977
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 5: in doing the wrong thing and genuine interested in doing

1978
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:42,280
Speaker 5: the right thing. So how do you marry them.

1979
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:45,639
Speaker 1: Well, ultimately, things that can't go on don't go on.

1980
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Speaker 4: And so the numbers that they're adding up in this

1981
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 4: article two hundred and fifty billion for the LA fires,

1982
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:55,680
Speaker 4: you can call it climbing and call it, you know,

1983
01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 4: poor fire management. Complain about Gavin Newsom nuts open up

1984
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 4: this biggots where it doesn't matter. It's going to cost

1985
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty billion with a B. On top

1986
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 4: of that, you've got tens, maybe hundreds of billions. If

1987
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:12,839
Speaker 4: you combine western North Carolina, Florida, Georgia, these other storms

1988
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:16,679
Speaker 4: that we saw very recently, you're very quickly getting towards

1989
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:17,919
Speaker 4: half a trillion dollars.

1990
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Speaker 1: And damage is there.

1991
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Speaker 4: That threatens the entire stability of and solubility of insurance

1992
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 4: companies and reinsurance companies. And you know they say that

1993
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:36,880
Speaker 4: when the floodwaters received, it's when you really start to

1994
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:40,880
Speaker 4: see who you know, who's who's naked. And that is

1995
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:43,559
Speaker 4: that is that we may find out that there are

1996
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:46,440
Speaker 4: some budgetary gimmicks going on at the insurance and reinsurance

1997
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:52,240
Speaker 4: companies such that when homeowners with valid policies, I don't

1998
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 4: know if it's going to be this time or next

1999
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 4: time or down the road, but at some point they're

2000
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Speaker 4: going to go to this insurance company and be like.

2001
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Speaker 1: Look, here's here's my valid policy.

2002
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Speaker 4: Here my claim I need I need to be paid out,

2003
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 4: and they can be like, yeah, sorry, we're bankrupt. We

2004
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:09,800
Speaker 4: don't actually have that amount of money because the actuary

2005
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:13,960
Speaker 4: actuaries weren't allowed to do the math accurately, and so

2006
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 4: we charged everybody less than we understood it would cost. Yeah,

2007
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 4: if we hit these worst case scenarios, and now we've

2008
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:23,680
Speaker 4: hit them, and then you're then you kick it up

2009
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:27,160
Speaker 4: to what's called the reinsurers, who are kind of the

2010
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:31,520
Speaker 4: backstop for the insurance companies. And once you're in that world,

2011
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:34,639
Speaker 4: who knows what kind of counterparty risk they have and

2012
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:38,800
Speaker 4: whether or not they're completely solvent either, and then you're

2013
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 4: back to the federal government needing a bailout.

2014
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and so this is again the the I guess

2015
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:52,600
Speaker 5: consequence of institutional trust, like having record low levels of

2016
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:56,799
Speaker 5: institutional trust, is that you can't agree on the science,

2017
01:51:56,880 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 5: the capitalist science, whereas we call it the fauci because

2018
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:03,479
Speaker 5: it's sort of interchangeable. He is the science and vice versa.

2019
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 5: But in all seriousness, when you can't agree on some

2020
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 5: basic well, you can't agree in some like basic research

2021
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 5: and it's been polarized and politicized. Then there are all

2022
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:18,320
Speaker 5: kinds of things they get affected by that, including like

2023
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 5: insurance rates and people's decisions about where to build and invest,

2024
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 5: like individual homeowners' decisions about these things. So we sort

2025
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:31,680
Speaker 5: of think about institutional trust as a very abstract conversation,

2026
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 5: like this is just something that the you know, professors

2027
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:41,479
Speaker 5: talk about in with their tweed elbow patches, But it's

2028
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 5: really like consequential people's everyday lives. And this is a

2029
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:45,880
Speaker 5: good example, by.

2030
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 4: The way, I understand why you would need elbow patches

2031
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:49,040
Speaker 4: like I need them already.

2032
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:49,680
Speaker 1: Get a little faith.

2033
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:51,639
Speaker 5: We're going to come in next week with their elbow patches.

2034
01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:55,799
Speaker 4: Up next, Jasmine Crockett, congress when from Texas, has thoughts

2035
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 4: on mediocre white men. If you are a mediocre white

2036
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:01,639
Speaker 4: man or you who are friends with mediocre white men,

2037
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:03,800
Speaker 4: stick around for this one.

2038
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Speaker 5: Congresswoman. Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Krockett had some thoughts about quote,

2039
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:12,680
Speaker 5: mediocre white boys on CNN. Let's take a listen to

2040
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:13,959
Speaker 5: what she said the other name.

2041
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:16,760
Speaker 19: I am tired of the white tears. Listen, if you

2042
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:19,920
Speaker 19: are competent, you are not concerned when I walk into

2043
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:22,800
Speaker 19: Congress every single day. You know why I don't feel

2044
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:25,320
Speaker 19: away and why you can't make me doubt who I

2045
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:27,519
Speaker 19: am is because I know that I had to work

2046
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:30,000
Speaker 19: ten times as hard as they did just to get

2047
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 19: into the seat. When you look and you compare me

2048
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 19: to Marjorie Taylor Green or me to Lauren Bobert, there

2049
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 19: is no comparison. And that is the life that we

2050
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:40,799
Speaker 19: have always lived. So the only people that are crying

2051
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:43,639
Speaker 19: are the mediocre white boys that have been beaten out

2052
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:47,920
Speaker 19: by people that historically have had to work so much harder.

2053
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 19: This is why they don't want us to have education.

2054
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:53,880
Speaker 19: This is why they are trying to literally say we

2055
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:58,320
Speaker 19: won't fund the HBCUs because they know that if they've

2056
01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:01,320
Speaker 19: already gone after affirmative action and they're saying, you know what,

2057
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:07,080
Speaker 19: don't allow them to come into say these pwis as

2058
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 19: we call them, don't allow them to come into these institutions.

2059
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:13,479
Speaker 19: We know why they created the HBCUs in the first place.

2060
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:18,040
Speaker 19: It was because they wouldn't allow us into the white institutions.

2061
01:54:18,200 --> 01:54:20,400
Speaker 19: And so now they're not allowing us in, and now

2062
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 19: they're saying, you know what, we're also going to defund

2063
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:25,760
Speaker 19: the HBCUs. You know why, because they don't want any

2064
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:29,080
Speaker 19: more Kamala Harris's. They don't want any more Jasmine Crocketts.

2065
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:30,880
Speaker 19: But I got news for them. I don't care what

2066
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 19: they do. We will fight to the end to make

2067
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:36,280
Speaker 19: sure that we get our due. Because again, if you

2068
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 19: want to talk about the people that shouldn't be in

2069
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:40,440
Speaker 19: this country, you probably need to look in the mirror,

2070
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:43,240
Speaker 19: because the last time I checked, the Native Americans who

2071
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 19: summer Ice have been rounding up, or the Puerto Ricans

2072
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:50,280
Speaker 19: who are absolutely Americans. Listen, the only people that came

2073
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:52,720
Speaker 19: and colonized this place are your ancestors.

2074
01:54:52,760 --> 01:54:54,600
Speaker 5: Trump, I don't know Ryan well.

2075
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:58,200
Speaker 4: By the way, for people just tuning in, PWI BPS

2076
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:01,920
Speaker 4: of PWI stands for predominantly White institution.

2077
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 1: So so people can keep up there. Now.

2078
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:09,720
Speaker 4: Not only did this spark controversy, there was a sub

2079
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 4: controversy that we can get into in a minute where

2080
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:15,680
Speaker 4: the DNC's rapid response yes, shared this, which I think

2081
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:20,960
Speaker 4: is and and then was attacked pretty viciously by the

2082
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:26,000
Speaker 4: left saying like DNC, what are you trying to do?

2083
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:31,600
Speaker 1: Like who are you? Who are you winning over by

2084
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:34,960
Speaker 1: pushing this content out? Like who who? Is who is

2085
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 1: this for?

2086
01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:39,160
Speaker 4: And you can be you can even be smug about

2087
01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:41,520
Speaker 4: it if you want, like and the smug the way

2088
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:43,520
Speaker 4: to be smug about it would be the quote that

2089
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 4: at at least that famous, at least Stevenson line, the

2090
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:49,920
Speaker 4: guy who the Democrat of an egghead who ran for

2091
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:52,800
Speaker 4: Congress I mean, I mean for ran for president a

2092
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:55,080
Speaker 4: whole bunch of times in the mid twentieth century lost

2093
01:55:55,080 --> 01:56:01,440
Speaker 4: every time. He famously, perhaps apocryphally, said on somebody yelled

2094
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:03,600
Speaker 4: at him and said, you have the votes of every

2095
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:08,000
Speaker 4: thinking man in this country, and Stevenson yelled back, yeah,

2096
01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 4: but I need a majority, which is funny and everybody

2097
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:11,600
Speaker 4: laughs at it.

2098
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 1: But it also.

2099
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:17,880
Speaker 4: There's a through line from that all the way through

2100
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:23,320
Speaker 4: to this today's party, which runs through Barack Obama's guns

2101
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:26,280
Speaker 4: and religion and the whole which you know, you kind

2102
01:56:26,280 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 4: of talk about this in this good, new, great new

2103
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 4: essay that you wrote. What's it called the point of

2104
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 4: the point about the kind of cultural elitism that that

2105
01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:39,160
Speaker 4: kind of seeps out. It used to come from white eggheads,

2106
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:42,400
Speaker 4: like at least Stevenson, you're gonna say, like Obama, now

2107
01:56:42,440 --> 01:56:47,160
Speaker 4: it comes well half white egg and now it's now

2108
01:56:47,160 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 4: it's from somebody like Jasmine Crockett. But to take it

2109
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 4: on his own terms, we all we actually should all

2110
01:56:57,880 --> 01:57:02,160
Speaker 4: care about all mediocre people like this. There was this

2111
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:05,920
Speaker 4: joke where they nominated a moron to the Supreme Court.

2112
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:09,800
Speaker 4: I forget the moron's name, people can remember the comments section.

2113
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:13,560
Speaker 4: And the defense of him was, well, you know, idiots

2114
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:17,080
Speaker 4: need representation too, and the counter argument was, okay, but

2115
01:57:17,120 --> 01:57:18,640
Speaker 4: not necessarily on the Supreme Court.

2116
01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 5: Is this maybe the one place representation doesn't matter.

2117
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:27,520
Speaker 4: Let's get the smart cats on there. But mediocre is

2118
01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:30,000
Speaker 4: another word for average. Average is a word for in

2119
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:34,560
Speaker 4: the middle. Like people who are in the middle, their

2120
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 4: grievances are or entirely legitimate, period, so to say. And

2121
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:45,080
Speaker 4: so I think there are a lot of obvious things

2122
01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:46,720
Speaker 4: you can say about what Crockett said. I'm trying to

2123
01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:49,160
Speaker 4: say the non obvious thing, and the non obvious thing

2124
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:53,240
Speaker 4: would be, if you are an average person in this

2125
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:58,000
Speaker 4: country and you feel like you're being screwed over, then

2126
01:57:58,040 --> 01:57:59,680
Speaker 4: that's probably a legitimate grievance.

2127
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:05,400
Speaker 5: Well, also if you are because.

2128
01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:07,680
Speaker 1: The country should be fair for everybody, including the Yog people.

2129
01:58:07,720 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 5: But that was the sort of victory of the Civil

2130
01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:13,000
Speaker 5: Rights movement is why there are a lot of people

2131
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:15,600
Speaker 5: who were involved. I mean, the civil Rights movement veterans

2132
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:17,360
Speaker 5: are sort of split on these questions, but there are

2133
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:19,840
Speaker 5: a lot of people who are involved are deeply uncomfortable

2134
01:58:20,240 --> 01:58:23,360
Speaker 5: with where DEI has gone. And actually this was in

2135
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:26,360
Speaker 5: your great story a couple of years ago on the

2136
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:29,680
Speaker 5: Elephant in the Zoom that people have sort of seen

2137
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:32,960
Speaker 5: unintended consequences as the experiment has played out in ways

2138
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 5: that create more rancor and are not as fair. And

2139
01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 5: it's not just mediocre white boys. It's also Asian Americans

2140
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:43,760
Speaker 5: who get short the short straw and a lot of

2141
01:58:43,800 --> 01:58:48,200
Speaker 5: these situations, it's not it's it's it's not it. This

2142
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:51,600
Speaker 5: is not it. This is not the right Democratic answer

2143
01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:54,200
Speaker 5: to Dee. And I get the Jasmin Crockett is a

2144
01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:57,760
Speaker 5: representative of a blue area around Dallas, like I understand

2145
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:00,960
Speaker 5: that there are a lot of people in blue enclaves

2146
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:05,200
Speaker 5: that are offended by the walk away from DEI. As

2147
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:11,760
Speaker 5: an increasingly prominent spokeswoman for the Democratic Party, mocking people

2148
01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:14,400
Speaker 5: who are upset about Dei is probably not the way

2149
01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:15,480
Speaker 5: to go now.

2150
01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:20,120
Speaker 4: To try to defend the impulse that Crockett is coming from.

2151
01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:25,520
Speaker 4: There is something I think interesting and insightful that she's

2152
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:28,600
Speaker 4: trying to get at, which is basically that So what

2153
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:31,600
Speaker 4: she's arguing, if you shared of a lot of the.

2154
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:35,400
Speaker 1: Rhetoric, is that there are a lot of people.

2155
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:41,240
Speaker 4: Who are much more talented over the last one hundred

2156
01:59:41,240 --> 01:59:44,840
Speaker 4: and fifty two hundred years who have been kept out

2157
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:48,880
Speaker 4: of positions of prestige and authority because of their race

2158
01:59:48,920 --> 01:59:53,160
Speaker 4: and gender. That is true, and we should absolutely acknowledge,

2159
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:58,520
Speaker 4: like that is a fact, and that racial engender, SegReg segregation,

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Speaker 4: and exclusion did in fact allow mediocre white men to

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Speaker 4: get into positions that if they had, if they had

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Speaker 4: to compete with the entire population of men and women,

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Speaker 4: black and white and brown.

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Speaker 1: Would have been harder for them.

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Speaker 4: That's like that, that is a that is a fact,

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Speaker 4: and we and we should all acknowledge that. And so

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Speaker 4: because that is because that is a fact, it is

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Speaker 4: the case that some people who feel like they deserve

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Speaker 4: positions are not getting those positions, and now they're angry

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Speaker 4: at the women and the black people who.

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Speaker 1: Are getting those positions.

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Speaker 4: So I actually think like on one level she's making

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Speaker 4: she's making a point that is that is accurate, and

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Speaker 4: it is getting it something, and it's getting it something real.

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Speaker 4: But to kind of blanket just go after like all

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Speaker 4: mediocre white men or white boys, it is not very

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Speaker 4: effective weighted it well.

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Speaker 5: And to assume those are the only people who are

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Speaker 5: concerned about de I, or maybe not to assume, but

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Speaker 5: to argue those are the only people who are concerned

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Speaker 5: about DEI is just not correct. And I think Democrats

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Speaker 5: choosing to fight bitterly back in the culture war over

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Speaker 5: DEI is in normal like it actually bums me out

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Speaker 5: as somebody who's more on the right, because I think

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Speaker 5: one of the reasons that there's going to be overreached

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Speaker 5: from Donald Trump is that there's just not a potent

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Speaker 5: opposition party. And part of that is because what we

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Speaker 5: saw from the DNC election over the last couple of days,

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Speaker 5: where you have Jonathan k peart asking you, you know

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Speaker 5: what actually happened, dear, Oh, there's just a bunch of

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Speaker 5: racist and bigots that made sure Kamala Harris didn't get elected.

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Speaker 5: And I'm paraphrasing kind of you know that was age. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it wasn't the most charitable interpretation, but it wasn't entirely disaccurate, inaccurate.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, all that is to say, I think Jasmine

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Speaker 5: Crockett's message is not the one Democrats should for moral

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Speaker 5: reasons or political reasons be landing on here.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: In politics, you're supposed to pander to people, not insult them. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: like less than one Yeah, And another word for like

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Speaker 4: I was saying earlier, mediocre would be like regular. Like

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Speaker 4: we're just talking about regular people, okay, And you want

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Speaker 4: to reach out to regular people, like you don't you

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Speaker 4: don't want to just like aggressively assault them. I think

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Speaker 4: that Obama's guns and religion argument, he like he was

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Speaker 4: saying and he was making a cultural connection to as

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Speaker 4: you talk about in your peace, a cultural connection to economics.

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Speaker 4: He was saying, as as people saw the economic rug

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Speaker 4: being pulled out from under them because of NAFTA and

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Speaker 4: offshoring and collapse of manufacturing and the collapse of the

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Speaker 4: American dream, that one thing they retreated to was guns

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Speaker 4: and religion. That's where the clean guns and religion, bitterly

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Speaker 4: it comes from, bitterly clinging to guns and religion because

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Speaker 4: we're upset about the direction of the world. Like there

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Speaker 4: is an analysis that's it's vulgar, but like you can

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Speaker 4: see it and it's directionally, there's there's some insight into it.

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Speaker 4: But even Obama as a politician is like, it's not

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Speaker 4: good to talk about people.

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Speaker 1: In those bitter terms.

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Speaker 4: It's much better to talk to them as part of

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Speaker 4: a collection of us who's going to like work together

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Speaker 4: to overcome this in the way that like a Bernie

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Speaker 4: Sanders would talk about it, like, yes, we are bitter,

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Speaker 4: but we're bitter at the one percent who has done

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Speaker 4: this to us. And work, work, and together, mediocre and

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Speaker 4: excellent people together, black, white, brown men and women. We're

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Speaker 4: going to come together and make the world better for

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Speaker 4: all of us. And there's no all of us in

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Speaker 4: the way that Crockett is talking there.

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Speaker 5: Right, And I don't know that she buys into the

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Speaker 5: I guess ideological leftist argument about capitalism being the real enemy,

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Speaker 5: but this is really to the extent that she does,

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Speaker 5: or to the extent that she did, you would recognize

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Speaker 5: from that vantage point that mediocre white boys, this is

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Speaker 5: the argument you're saying, are a victim of that system,

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Speaker 5: in the same way that people you're trying to help

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Speaker 5: with DEI are a victim of that system. So it

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Speaker 5: doesn't it's not coherent, it's not helpful, and you know,

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Speaker 5: maybe Democrats should take a step back from the Jasmine

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Speaker 5: Crockett train if that's where if this is an intentional strategy,

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Speaker 5: promise she rates. I believe she probably gets fun. She

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Speaker 5: probably brings money into and we saw that throughout the resistance,

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Speaker 5: the same thing with the Lawfair people. Everyone who was

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Speaker 5: engaging in the Lawfair was raising money for Democrats. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: see how that worked out anyway.

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Speaker 4: And she had that, like what would Democrats really right

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Speaker 4: want right now is somebody who's willing to just punch

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Speaker 4: Republicans right in the face, like they're hungry for rhetorically,

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Speaker 4: hungry for somebody rhetorically to just scream like and just

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Speaker 4: take them down.

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Speaker 1: And she's and she's and she's delivering that in that sense.

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Speaker 4: If you will go find that she had that was it,

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Speaker 4: Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Bulberg, She had some like poetry

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Speaker 4: slam esque griff.

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Speaker 5: Just like yeah, it was Margine Tayler Green.

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Speaker 1: Just and she delivered in blonde.

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Speaker 5: Beach built Butch Buddy.

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Speaker 1: Just delivered it impeccably.

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Speaker 4: And you're like, I don't know politics aside, just the

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Speaker 4: performance was just utterly impeccable.

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Speaker 5: Yeah there was something else. Oh yeah, yeah, I un

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Speaker 5: ironically loved that exchange. So great place to land on

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Speaker 5: at the end of today's edition of Counterpoints.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just let it.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes you just have to let them yell at each other.

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Speaker 1: We would, we would play that out at a moment.

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Speaker 5: Of such a thing. Does he still do that?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so. It's probably Comedy

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Speaker 1: Central's back on Comedy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe he does. We'll have to check it out.

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Speaker 5: We will report back. We will figure that one out.

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Speaker 4: afternoon for premium subscribers. We're going to have Natalie Winters,

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Speaker 4: who is I told my wife this this morning, I said,

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Speaker 4: Steve Bannon's White House correspondent.

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Speaker 1: She's like, I'm sorry, what like I said, it's Steve.

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Speaker 1: She's Steve Bannon's white House course.

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Speaker 4: And she's like, yes, I heard you. What on earth

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Speaker 4: are you talking? How does Steve Bannon have a white

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Speaker 4: house course?

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Speaker 13: Well?

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Speaker 4: I was like, so, Steve Bannon has a podcast called

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Speaker 4: war Room. The podcast has a white house court. She's like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 4: interesting times we're living in. I was talking to Crystal. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 4: we were talking about how Friday Morning should we also

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Speaker 4: do like an a block because there's just so much

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Speaker 4: news that's going from like Thursday to Monday, so we'll

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Speaker 4: put out the Friday Show. If Emily is around, we'll

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Speaker 4: and I'm from around wallso we'll also do like a

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Speaker 4: you know, wrap up some news for you too, because like,

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Speaker 4: good lord, there's a lot going on

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Speaker 5: So much going on, but looking forward to that for sure,

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Speaker 5: So make sure you stay tuned and if you want

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