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Speaker 1: Dirty Birds. What's up? And welcome back to the Atlanta

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Speaker 1: Falcons podcast network. I'm your host, Will mcfatten. I'm joined

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Speaker 1: today by Arren Walk and we are going to talk

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Speaker 1: about Falcons Mini Camp. But first let's do some quick

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Speaker 1: kind of programming reminders. We had a discussion of podcast

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Speaker 1: with Michael Vick recently, so please go check that out

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Speaker 1: on YouTube on Atlanta Falcons dot com if you have

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Speaker 1: not already. We've had some excellent coverage of mini Camp,

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Speaker 1: just photo video, written content by Arron herself, by me,

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Speaker 1: by Tory mclaney following along with the team, So please

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Speaker 1: go check all of that stuff out if you are

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Speaker 1: curious about what has been going on in Flowery Branch.

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Speaker 1: But Terren, how you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I can't believe off season program is over?

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Speaker 1: I know right, it feels like it just like we

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Speaker 1: it's over. Now we're gone.

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Speaker 2: When Raheems was when Raheem Moore is said today like

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Speaker 2: the five week break is coming up already, it's about

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Speaker 2: to be I mean it is June and not about

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Speaker 2: to be. It is June. Yeah, that's crazy to me.

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Speaker 1: I mean weirdly, like, Yeah, this offseason feels faster, and

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Speaker 1: it's been, on the one hand, like less busy because

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Speaker 1: you haven't had a coaching change. There's been quarterback stability,

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Speaker 1: even though we've been talking about the quarterback position a lot,

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Speaker 1: and we will continue to do so in this conversation.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's kind of flown right by. So let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and get into what all we learned over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of days and really going back to

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Speaker 1: just kind of the OTA sessions in general. What's been

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Speaker 1: kind of the big theme for Atlanta so far over

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Speaker 1: the last few weeks.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh. I think it's mainly been emphasism on the

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Speaker 2: developing guys because they want those who are new to

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Speaker 2: Atlanta to feel comfortable in their role in what they're

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Speaker 2: supposed to be doing on a day in and day

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Speaker 2: out basis come training camp. So it's the simple things

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Speaker 2: of like when do I need to arrive for practice,

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Speaker 2: what are we doing during practice? What am I supposed

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Speaker 2: to do in this specific drill? When can I eat?

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Speaker 2: It's simple things like that, but when you enter a

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Speaker 2: brand new program, that's overwhelming It's just like if you

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Speaker 2: enter a new school or a new job, you need

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Speaker 2: to learn the ins and outs, and now is the

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Speaker 2: time to do that, as opposed to training camp, where

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Speaker 2: it's like, all right, we got a buckle and it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a great analogy and it's one

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Speaker 1: that I was prepared to make myself. Is school, Yeah

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Speaker 1: got cha, Yeah, you beat me too it I love that.

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Speaker 1: But when you kind of are going through that the

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Speaker 1: first week in a new school or a new job, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you kind of need somebody like latch onto somebody like

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Speaker 1: one of those fish on a shark where you're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: where's the cafeteria? Hey, like, oh, is that meeting right now?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Like I hadn't accepted it yet, so it didn't

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Speaker 1: pop up on my reminder like those little things. Because

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Speaker 1: So when you're in a drill, the minutes, the precious

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Speaker 1: you can't be screwing up, you can't really be now

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Speaker 1: of course you can. You can sit there and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: And so that's kind of what this time of year

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Speaker 2: It's syllabus week. Yeah, like after syllabus week, you can't

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Speaker 2: can't be like, oh what am I majoring in? I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Actually, my end, my analogy went too far.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what else would they do? They can't

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Speaker 1: And then what do we want to your students five

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Speaker 1: So the other main thing that kind of was the

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Speaker 1: to the media afterwards, what did he have to say?

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Speaker 2: I think Kirk handled the media the best he could

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Speaker 2: with the position he is in. He didn't rock any

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Speaker 2: somewhere else. There are other parties involved that have to

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Speaker 2: agree to say a trade. And so at this point

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Speaker 2: Kirk said those conversations for for January, February, March, even April.

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Speaker 2: But like we said at the beginning of this podcast, somehow, someway,

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Speaker 2: it is June, and he knows that the options out

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Speaker 2: That is not the Atlanta Falcons, and I think he

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Speaker 2: And so he said he will be moving forward. He

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Speaker 2: not going to overstep. I'm not going to be constantly

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Speaker 2: like it seemed very professional. Again, this is like what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I agree. I thought he kind of

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Speaker 1: Like there's nothing, yeah, right, but there's nothing that he

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Speaker 2: Now, if he came out to the media and started

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Speaker 2: say a team does become available and looking to trade,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, I don't even know if it is

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Speaker 1: But I think it's it's a situation where the calculated

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Speaker 1: of that then diagram, right. But I thought that Raheem

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Speaker 1: Michael Pennox's life difficult. And I do think that that

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Speaker 1: And Kirk said, I'm here to kind of control what

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Speaker 1: of how I think we've arrived at this situation where

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Speaker 1: he's here. He's the backup quarterback. Sure, I fully expect

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Speaker 1: that is the way things are. But I expect Kirk

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Speaker 2: It's football. You never know what's going to happen. Like

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Speaker 2: we say, Michael Pennock Junior is the starter right now.

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Speaker 2: Who knows what comes to August, what comes to October, November, December.

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Speaker 1: January, everything, Everything can happen because the season takes its

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Speaker 2: The worst thing Kirk could do is not be prepared.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, totally well said. And I don't expect him

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Speaker 1: do our listeners not know so much about who stood

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm going to hang my hat on this guy

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Speaker 2: making a big twenty twenty five return, and that is

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Speaker 2: safety to Marco Helms. Yes, we both went to Alabama,

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Speaker 2: but that is not why. I just think I remember

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Speaker 2: being like that was difficult. That was the first time

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Speaker 2: I've had to go a whole year without football. But

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Speaker 2: if anything, that's kind of just pumped him up more

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Speaker 2: excited to put my jersey back on. It's good to

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Speaker 2: it's the off season program. But he said he will

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Speaker 1: Not yet. It is Flintstones's right, everybody, stay tuned. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I had a piece on Vine Diablo, another new addition

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Speaker 1: It's okay to feel you can contain multitudes.

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Speaker 2: More than one emotion. It's weird, but I'm really excited

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, I wish we were talking more about football

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Speaker 1: There you go. We got Lamar out here making place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that the wide were throwing footballs.

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Speaker 2: And knocked over one of the No one made it

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Speaker 1: I just as the host, I'm realizing, all right, we're

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Speaker 1: red light going on in the pocket, Taren, I got it. No,

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Speaker 1: how are you? Thank you for joining me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, switched out with Taryn Walk. We don't really look similar,

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Speaker 1: Of a darker complexion. Yeah, yeah, okay, Well, you could

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Speaker 1: You know, they've wrapped up OTA's, They've wrapped up mini camps,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's clear kind of areas where you could pencil

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Speaker 3: get into all of that I don't want to jump

433
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Speaker 3: the gun.

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Speaker 1: No, let let's let's use that as an opportunity to

435
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Speaker 1: get into We'll start with the defense line and maybe

436
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Speaker 1: work our way our way back from there. Do you

437
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Speaker 1: want to talk specifically about edge rusher or kind of

438
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Speaker 1: the front four slash five, because I do think that

439
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Speaker 1: given a hybrid approach, we expect jell fulbreak and remorse.

440
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Speaker 1: As they said they will deploy, there's going to be

441
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Speaker 1: some variation to probably what a starting week looks like

442
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Speaker 1: week to week. Do you want to maybe say, here's

443
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Speaker 1: our thoughts for a three to four, and here's our

444
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Speaker 1: which would be a five man front right here, two outsides,

445
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Speaker 1: and here's kind of a four to three.

446
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think let's do that because I think

447
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Speaker 3: for me, it's a big part of this is that

448
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 3: I always tell people like, it doesn't freaking matter unless

449
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 3: it's the starting quarterback. It doesn't freaking matter who's starting,

450
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 3: like true it and maybe your offensive line. Like again, offensively,

451
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 3: it's a little bit different because there's not a rotation

452
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 3: per se. You have your guys, your go to guys. Defensively,

453
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Speaker 3: it's about who has the highest snap count like that.

454
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Speaker 3: I don't care who you run out there for the

455
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Speaker 3: first play because for me, I remember one time it

456
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Speaker 3: was like very early on in Kyle Pits, after he

457
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Speaker 3: had been drafted, he wasn't out there for like the

458
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Speaker 3: first play the game because they're running the ball, and

459
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Speaker 3: that they wanted a different look. They wanted a more heavy,

460
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Speaker 3: heavy look.

461
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Speaker 1: Arthursmith, I feel like loved doing that he did.

462
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Speaker 3: And so technically Kyle Pits wasn't a starter that game.

463
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Speaker 3: Doesn't mean that he didn't play ninety eight percent of

464
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Speaker 3: the offensive snaps, you know, like I think that I

465
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Speaker 3: want to make that very clear. So let's talk to

466
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Speaker 3: your point. Let's talk about the groupings more so than

467
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Speaker 3: maybe even just specific starter.

468
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Speaker 1: Let's do the Let's do a five man front first,

469
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Speaker 1: because I actually kind of think that that is maybe

470
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Speaker 1: where they'll lean a little bit more. I think there's

471
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Speaker 1: more versatility and flexibility which matches the personnel out of

472
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Speaker 1: a kind of a three four five man front alignment.

473
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Speaker 1: So do you want to take a first stab at

474
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Speaker 1: five or do you want me to?

475
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Speaker 3: I think I can take a stab at it. I

476
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Speaker 3: think I do think that I would if it's a.

477
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Speaker 1: Maybe like leaders in the Clubhouse, and then who are

478
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Speaker 1: the guys who could break into that house.

479
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Speaker 3: So obviously you can't talk about the front without talking

480
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Speaker 3: about the two first round draft picks Jalen Walker and

481
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Speaker 3: James christ Junior. But I'm curious to see how they

482
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Speaker 3: match up with the Leonard Floyd, Arnold ab Katie Braylen

483
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Speaker 3: Trice when he comes back. Like to me, I feel

484
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Speaker 3: very strongly that you have. I feel like Braylen Trice

485
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 3: is more of this like bigger guy. So for if

486
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Speaker 3: it's a run stopping the situation, she need a.

487
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Speaker 1: Bigger end kind of player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I also know that they're trying to do some

489
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Speaker 3: stuff with Zach Harrison, Brandon Dorlis. So even though we're

490
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Speaker 3: talking about like what this five man front could be,

491
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Speaker 3: it's any combination of this stuff. If you're needing long

492
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 3: and lanky, you're putting Leonard Floyd out there, and you're

493
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Speaker 3: putting James Spears juniors to set the edge. But if

494
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Speaker 3: you're wanting more of these like run stoppers, Braylan Trice,

495
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: maybe Jalen Walker, who can get sideline to sideline really quick.

496
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Speaker 3: Like So for for all of that, what's really complicated

497
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: is is like there's not a there's not an answer here,

498
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Speaker 3: you know, because I don't think that it matters. Like,

499
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Speaker 3: let's say week one, the Falcons run the five front,

500
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Speaker 3: the five man front that they run out there is

501
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Speaker 3: Leonard Floyd, Arnold, ab Katie, David Anyamata, Zach Harrison, Rugeroro. Like,

502
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Speaker 3: let's say that's the five that they run out there

503
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Speaker 3: for the first two plays of game one week one. Yep,

504
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Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that two plays later, it's not gonna

505
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Speaker 3: be Zach Harrison, James Spears, Junior, Jalen Walker, Kayden ellis

506
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: coming up in between, you know, David Anyamata and Rukro Like,

507
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 3: there are so many variables to this front and the

508
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: attack style that they want to be. I know, a

509
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Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago, we talked with Taran about or

510
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 3: I guess I talked with tarn about what you are.

511
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 3: We had you there in the back of our minds.

512
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Speaker 3: Anytime I make a dad joke, I'm like, oh, we.

513
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Speaker 1: Love that the corner, that's your brand.

514
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Speaker 3: But we were talking about, you know, realistic expectations for

515
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Speaker 3: ed Rushers year one in the rookie year, and I

516
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Speaker 3: kind of said, it's like, okay, yes, the Falcons as

517
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Speaker 3: an organization are dead last in pass rush stats in

518
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 3: total sack numbers over the last five six years. To

519
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 3: break into even the middle quartile of sacks and pressures

520
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 3: across the league, I think it's going to be everyone.

521
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Speaker 3: It's not like we're just sitting here being like James

522
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Speaker 3: Chris Junior is gonna get ten sacks and it's going

523
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Speaker 3: to fundament change what the Falcons are doing past rush wise,

524
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Speaker 3: It's okay, maybe he gets three, Maybe Jalyn Walker gets three,

525
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 3: maybe kay Nellis gets five, Maybe Arnold ib Katie gets six.

526
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Speaker 3: You know like, I think, if you have these waves,

527
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Speaker 3: I'll take that. And to me, it doesn't matter who's starting.

528
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Speaker 3: It's just as long as they're getting after the quarterback.

529
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Speaker 3: I did not answer your question at all.

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Speaker 1: Now that I've been rambling, I was literally about to

531
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Speaker 1: be like, okay, so are we gonna go with Leonard

532
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Speaker 1: Floyd and Zach Harrison.

533
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Speaker 3: I feel awful that I've been talking for maybe five

534
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Speaker 3: minutes straight and never once did I answer the question.

535
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Speaker 1: But you laid out. You laid out why maybe even

536
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Speaker 1: thinking about it in terms of starters and backups, at

537
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Speaker 1: least when it comes to the defensive line and the

538
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: front seven, maybe kind of like a fool's errand yeah,

539
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: because everybody's going to have their role, you know, like

540
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: Eddie Goldman, I don't think we would have if we

541
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Speaker 1: look back on the twenty twenty four season in five years,

542
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Speaker 1: I don't think people are gonna be like, oh, yeah,

543
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: Eddie Goldman was a starting defensive lineman for the Falcons.

544
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Speaker 1: He started some games last year for Atlanta like he

545
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: was a star. So that that is kind of the

546
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: big asterisk when it comes to a defensive front. However,

547
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Speaker 1: that being said, I think you're five that you called

548
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: out at least day one makes sense in there. And

549
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: I think that James Pierce, out of the two first

550
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: round rookies, I think is probably more likely to start

551
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: in a purely situational role and just know exactly what

552
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: he's doing. I think Jalen Walker, as much as they

553
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: say they're starting him off on the edge, like we

554
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: know what he can do, and he's looked really good

555
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: out there like that has been kind of my takeaway

556
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Speaker 1: I think from mini camp is Jalen Walker looks solid.

557
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: Like he was leading the defensive line individual rust drills.

558
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Speaker 1: He showed a lot more flexibility than I thought he

559
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Speaker 1: did on tape, and that kind of stood out to me.

560
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, he really bends around the bag nicely.

561
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Speaker 1: So if we're talking any rookies, I think he maybe

562
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Speaker 1: has one of the strongest chances of cracking that starting lineup.

563
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: So I like the five D laid out there and

564
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Speaker 1: maybe even adding Jalen Walker as that kind of like

565
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Speaker 1: sixth man. Could he be the first rotation with Arnold

566
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Speaker 1: Levy Katie.

567
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Speaker 3: I think it's interesting too because it's like who ultimately

568
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 3: steps up within the first five or six weeks in

569
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: this the way that they want to play, in the

570
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: style that Jeff Olbrick wants to play in. I think

571
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: it's going to be a big because of the way

572
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 3: that training camp is these days, and you know, TBD

573
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: on whether or not starters are actually or anyone is

574
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: going to play in the preseason. I think that's a

575
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: little TBD at this point. I do think that it's

576
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Speaker 3: going to be probably five or six weeks into the

577
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: season before we really feel like we know what this

578
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: defense is in the way that they want to play.

579
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: We've heard from different guys about you've heard it at nauseum,

580
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 3: the attack stile front that they want to have and

581
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: it's like, but what does that mean? And I thought

582
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 3: Ruker Roro explained it very well comparing it to last year.

583
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: He was like, last year, you know, you're reacting based

584
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Speaker 3: on you're having to think about you know, Okay, if

585
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Speaker 3: they do this, we got to do this. If they

586
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 3: do this, And he was like, that's not necessarily what

587
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: things are now. It's a bit more simplistic.

588
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not diagnosing, you're just deploying.

589
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: You're just it's proactive, not reactive. Is the main thing

590
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: that I feel like I've gotten about what this front

591
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: could be from these players and what the style is

592
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 3: the problem right now, they don't have pads on. We

593
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: have no idea what this front.

594
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Speaker 1: Is going to look like.

595
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: You know, Like I'm so you're kind of talking in

596
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Speaker 3: this hypothetic.

597
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: We're still talking like yeah, theoretical, hypothetical, all the edicals,

598
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: all of them. But it is exciting. And this is

599
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: the last thing that I think we can talk about

600
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: with the Front seven really quickly, with the fore man

601
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: look and how when they talk about versatility, like this

602
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: is what gets me excited and it totally falls in

603
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: line with the hypothetical theory. But let's say they're actually

604
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: set up really well for like a fore Man front

605
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: if it included say Zach Harrison on one of the ends.

606
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: Then you've got Ruke and David in the middle, and

607
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: you've got Brandon dor List maybe on the other side.

608
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: Like that's a nice solid four that are big enough

609
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: to defend the run but can also attack as you

610
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: said in that single gap style. But then behind them

611
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: you got Caden Ellis, you got Divine Diablo, and you

612
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: got Jalen Walker. Because now you're in a four to three, right,

613
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: you got three linebackers, all of whom got some nice

614
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: speed and athleticism. You walk Jalen Walker, you can really

615
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: quickly bump somebody down and turn that into a five

616
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: to two. Look like, there is so much flexibility with

617
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: all of these guys. So again, it's probably a little

618
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: bit of a moot point to be looking at them

619
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Speaker 1: as as starters and back.

620
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: Ups, I mean, and like drop Devon Diablo.

621
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Speaker 1: Back, like yea, you know there's the former safety. Former safety,

622
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: we have like fifteen safeties on this roster. You want

623
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: to just talk about the safety that's our next camback.

624
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's talk about safeties.

625
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: I think the big the big part of this is

626
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: where I think where DeMarco Helms fits into this now

627
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: that he's coming back from indury. I know you and

628
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: Teraryn talked a lot about that. I'm really excited to

629
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Speaker 3: have him back because I thought that he was on

630
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: such an upward trajectory and I felt like this staff

631
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: specifically really valued him, and even though he's a seventh

632
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: round draft pick, They're like, get this guy out there.

633
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: And if if he brings that physical element, you could

634
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: argue that's kind of like one of the few missing

635
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: ingredients for Atlanta's defense when you know, we talk about

636
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: the versatility and some of the ballhawk nature that like

637
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: Jesse Batesman don't really have that like pure just hammer dumper. Yeah,

638
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: they don't really have the Willie Moe or the Keanu

639
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: Neale of defense's past. To Marco Hellms turns into that,

640
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be mad at it.

641
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: That would be a w for this front office. That's

642
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: for sure a big draft win. But I also think

643
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: that obviously you go and you get Xavier Wats, and

644
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: you go and get Xavier Watts for a reason. And

645
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: I know that it's a bit of a mixed bag

646
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: again because we haven't necessarily seen him truly alongside Jesse

647
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: Bates in the traditional sense. They're not going at one

648
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: hundred and ten percent. We're not really seeing eleven on eleven.

649
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: He was mostly actually kind of like working on some

650
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: individual things right off to the side, not in like

651
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: an injury sense or anything, just getting some like pure

652
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: skilled technical stuff done.

653
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: And that was something that even Rahee Morris on Wednesday,

654
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: he was talking about James Pearce Junior because he also

655
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: was one of those guys that was having some like

656
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 3: one on one technique stuff.

657
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: You'm talking a lot, would you, Gray? Yeah, Floyd on Tuesday. Yeah,

658
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: there just like during special teams when everybody else was working,

659
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 1: he was just locked in a conversation. I was like, Hey,

660
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: that's great, like getting his year. Jerry Gray brought up

661
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: Javon Curse when talking about like who in the league

662
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: is talking about Javon Curse nineteen ninety nine draft yea, yeah,

663
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: Jerry Gray is so like, tell him stories, talk his

664
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: zero off.

665
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's interesting because I think because of the

666
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: nature of we haven't really seen as much. I I'm

667
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: still penciling in Xavier Watts to be a guy who

668
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: slots in alongside Jesse Bates. The issue is is like

669
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: how quickly can he get there?

670
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: True? Because I could totally see a world where, yes,

671
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: Xavier Wats play is a starter for like twelve or

672
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: thirteen games this season, but in week one it is

673
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: Jordan Fuller out there, correct, you know, like I could

674
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: see that being a reality.

675
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: And I think with the way that this, I mean

676
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: you kind of saw it with Ruke Roro. Let's use

677
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: him as an example. Last year he was a healthy

678
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 3: scratch for the first four games of the season because

679
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: essentially what Raheem Moore say is we don't need him right, Like,

680
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: we have a lot of depth. Do we have Grady

681
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: Jared out there or David an Nimai. Everybody's good, everybody's healthy.

682
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: And so why rush him out there? When we put

683
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: him out there, he'll know exactly what you're doing. We'll

684
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: have seen it for four weeks on practice fields at

685
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: a high level. Yeah, It's like they'll know.

686
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it almost makes me wonder if someone like

687
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: an Xavier Watts could follow a similar not saying that

688
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 3: he'll be a healthy scratch and like we won't see him.

689
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: I don't think that at all. But to your point

690
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: about Jordan Fuller being the vet guy in there, being

691
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: somebody who has a lot of experience under his belt,

692
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: who's played in some different systems, like that could be

693
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 3: the easy safe option early, but it's ultimately about where

694
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: Xavier Watts gets to buy week seven, Week eight.

695
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think by and large, like the safety

696
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: group is gonna be a little bit like the defensive

697
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: line too, where you can mix and match based on

698
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 1: some matchups. All Right, they're playing more physical. If DeMarco

699
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: Hellms fits into that role, we're gonna start bringing him

700
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,239
Speaker 1: in there, maybe a little bit more than Exavier Wat.

701
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm in the box, yeah, because like Jesse can do

702
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,239
Speaker 1: all of it. Yeah, you can almost kind of like

703
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: plug and play that second piece to like deploy them

704
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: as the as they need to fit the matchup that

705
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: you're going up again. So I think the safety situation

706
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: is fascinating. I also think it's going to play into

707
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: the nickel situation because like you can roll them down,

708
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: you can have a big nickel. Kevin King, I don't

709
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: even know what position he is. He's kind of like

710
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: just a little bit of everything, corner, hybrid safety nickel.

711
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, the best the best part of your depth

712
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: is Kevin King in my opinion, because I do think

713
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: he can do anything you really need him to. Injuries

714
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: are going to happen. It's the NFL, so you need

715
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: to be able to have somebody who is a jack

716
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: of always.

717
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: A super utility player in baseball. He's like Martin Proto.

718
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, great, grate pool. I loved Martin Proto when

719
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: he was with the Right. Yeah, he like just would

720
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: do everything for you. Hey, have you ever played first base?

721
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: All right, we'll suit up. You're going out there, head man.

722
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: But I think in terms of what Kevin King, Kevin

723
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: King can be in any room in the secondary. He

724
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 3: can work with the safety, so you can work with

725
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 3: the Nickels, you can work with the corners, like wherever

726
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: you can plug and play him. Well, it's an asset

727
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: to have him on this fifty three man roster. I

728
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: think it's why they brought him back. It gives them

729
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: the flexibility, especially when they're thinking about who they were

730
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: drafting and what type of player they're gonna get. It

731
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: was like, okay, well, if you get a corner, you

732
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: can slot, Mike Cues in the slot, not to say

733
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: slot seven times. But I think that's what's really great

734
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 3: about Kevin King is the ability to do a little

735
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: bit of everything and cross train in that way. But

736
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 3: in terms of to move us forward like a little

737
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: let's let's talk about the Nickel a little bit, because

738
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: I think that is one of the biggest question marks

739
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 3: I have is whether who who is going to emerge there?

740
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: It might be the most pure can't battle.

741
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yes, it's and I think it's between if

742
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: we're just going a pure Nickel. Look, we're not talking

743
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: like just.

744
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: No, yeah, just like the guys in a typical NIKEL

745
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: slot corner.

746
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: Yes, it's it's between three three guys. You're talking about

747
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: d Alford, who's been the starter at Nickel the last

748
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: last two years. You have Clark Phillips, the third, who

749
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: primarily was working last year outside and he did get

750
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 3: some reps when Mike Cues was hurt outside opposite AJ Trarell.

751
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: And then you have Billy Bowman Junior, who is a

752
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: recent draft pick. And those are the three guys that

753
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: I think all of them are in this conversation, and

754
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 3: I at this point in time don't know who I'm

755
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: putting above the other or even if nickel is going

756
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: to be the package that they predominantly sit in.

757
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, like that type of nickel again, because like

758
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: that you talked about, Yeah, as we've talked about, it

759
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of twenty nineteen or twenty twenty

760
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: when you had demarco'casey and Kean O'Neil and Ricardo Allen

761
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: and it was like, Okay, yeah, we don't necessarily need

762
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: Brian Poole because I think he was actually gone that

763
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: off season and they could kind of manufacture that big

764
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,479
Speaker 1: nickel look and same type of skill set. So yeah,

765
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: there is a chance that they don't really have either

766
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: of those any of those three out there, and they

767
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: do have DeMarco helms with Jordan Fuller and Jesse Bates

768
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: and Javier Watts. Yeah exactly. So of those three, though,

769
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: I think that the I think right now the leaders

770
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: is de offered, and I think the race is kind

771
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: of Billy Bowman's to win or lose. I think how

772
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: he performs in training camp will either help him secure

773
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: that job as the starter, because I watched him closely

774
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: kind of on Wednesday.

775
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: It's funny that you mentioned that, because I knew were

776
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: going to get into this. One of the first things

777
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: that Will told me after we got off the practice

778
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: field the other day because you were specifically watching the rookies,

779
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: so everybody.

780
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: Goes that was my assignment.

781
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: That was design who's watching the rookies and giving like

782
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: a progress report on where they are and what they're doing.

783
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: And the first thing he said was, it's really easy

784
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 3: to watch Billy Bowman junior just just looking at him. Yeah,

785
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: that is word for literally what Will said.

786
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: So we'll just enjoy watching that young man practice.

787
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: Like what stuck out to you.

788
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: He's like fiery. You just kind of feel the energy

789
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 1: resonating off him. He had a crop top jersey and

790
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: and then like tucked the under armour up underneath it.

791
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: So he was just like full sporting some midriff, which

792
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: you know it's hot out there on June tenth as

793
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: they were practicing, so hey, go for it, but just

794
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: quick to react kind of flies downhill swagger, which I

795
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: think kind of you need in that spot. That would

796
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: be an interesting little like episode is just ranking the

797
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: positions where like you need the most of the least swagger.

798
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 3: Oh, like we should absolutely does a.

799
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: Kicker need to have the most swagger on the team

800
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: or the.

801
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 3: Leastwager on the great question, right question?

802
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: Because I think a nickel corner like you if you

803
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: got a honey Badger, yeah.

804
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: Outside baker, outside corner wide receiver, just off the top

805
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 3: of outside corner wide receiver and then nickel, Yeah, those

806
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 3: are the ones that need the most swag.

807
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: I think I think we're onto something here. But yeah,

808
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: so he definitely brings that to the table and and

809
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: we have It was interesting when Rahee Morris was kind

810
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: of singling him out talking about the learning style of

811
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: all the rookies, and he was just like, and then

812
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: Billy Bowman kind of does his own thing, but you

813
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: can tell that he is asking everybody about everything and

814
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: just trying to learn everywhere he goes. I think that's

815
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: a pretty big green flag if you're looking at like,

816
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: are you going to earn your role in training camp?

817
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 3: Yeah?

818
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see what he brings. But right

819
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: now the Alford probably has the spot. Can Billy Bowman,

820
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, knock him out of that or even Clark

821
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: Phillips As he continues to advance in his career, he

822
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: was our camp champ last year.

823
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: I was just about to say, like Clark Phillips is

824
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: for the last two years or three years, however long

825
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: he's been here. Now he always pops in training camp.

826
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, always't to talking about speed. I underestimated how fast

827
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: he actually is.

828
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, in his vertical like he's going up against Drake

829
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: London and Drake has you know, a bunch of inches

830
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 3: on him, so I oftentimes he just has this flashiness

831
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 3: to him that I don't think many people have seen

832
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: in season, but I feel like I see it all

833
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: the time in training camp, and I'm kind of like,

834
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: where's the disconnect, Like why can't we see this flashiness

835
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: in the season, And so it's kind of a toss up.

836
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: That's why I think this, to your point, is the

837
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: truest and most pure camp battle that we're gonna see

838
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: going into July, August and into the preseason.

839
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: Man, I can't wait, it's almost here. We're gonna keep

840
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: an eye on all of these. So don't worry. Even

841
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: though we say Nickel might be the most pure camp battle,

842
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: We're still going to be watching closely to the third

843
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: running back position and see, you know, is it going

844
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: to be Jase McClellan or Carlos Washington. I have my thoughts,

845
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: but we've got plenty of time to cover those not

846
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: on today's episode. Before we wrap up, though, it is

847
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: Father's Day this weekend, So Happy Father's dayed all the

848
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: dads out there. Father, I am a father, Yes, thank

849
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: you Liam for making me a daddy. But you grew

850
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: up as the daughter of a football coach. So I

851
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: just thought it would be a fun way to close

852
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: this out to see if you have any memorable like

853
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: Father's Day moments that you had with your dad.

854
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 3: So, oh gosh, there are so many, but I think

855
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: just recently my dad. And also so I'm the oldest

856
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: of three, three girls, and so we used to joke

857
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 3: when I was younger that dad, because he was around

858
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 3: football players so much, he had too much testosterone, like

859
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: at work, and so he'd come home and he could

860
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: only handle estrogen like that was the whole thing, is,

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Speaker 3: like we would joke. He's the best girl dad. I

862
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Speaker 3: can't say enough great things about about him. But something

863
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Speaker 3: special that's happened in the last month is my little sister,

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Speaker 3: who was eighteen. She's a big golfer. She won a

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Speaker 3: state championship back in May, and my dad, yeah, dad,

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Speaker 3: it was her coach. He was her golf coach and

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Speaker 3: he actually when she won, when they won that state,

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Speaker 3: that golf state championship, my dad had actually done something

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Speaker 3: that I don't know very many people who have done this,

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Speaker 3: but he won a state championship coaching all three of

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Speaker 3: his daughters.

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Speaker 1: So he cut yes, that's so cool. Yeah, so he

873
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Speaker 1: could you win softball?

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Speaker 3: I'm a four time softball state champion in the state

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Speaker 3: of Georgia. Let's go yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I thought you knew that.

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but like, that's incredible. That blows my mind.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize I was sitting here with softball royalty.

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Speaker 3: So my dad coached me my junior and senior year.

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Speaker 3: We won both of those years. And then he coached

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Speaker 3: my middle sister, katherin Grace for four years. They won

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Speaker 3: I think three state championships together.

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Speaker 1: And then his dad's like the Bill Walsh of Georgia

885
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Speaker 1: High School, No real.

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Speaker 3: And then he when Charlesy, my little sister, when she

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00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: started to pick up golf in like middle school, he

888
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: would go golfing with her, and that he decided to

889
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: help with the high school and the girls team there,

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Speaker 3: and then they won a state championship this past May.

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Speaker 1: So look out.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's the comparison we want to make,

893
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: but hey, but so it's I say all that to

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00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: say that, like he's had these moments. We have these

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Speaker 3: pictures and maybe I'll post them at some point, but

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Speaker 3: there are these pictures of I'm hugging him after we

897
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: won in softball, My kath and Grace is hugging him

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00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: after we won in softball, and then Charlesea won was

899
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Speaker 3: hugging him after she won.

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Speaker 1: Golf for him.

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Speaker 3: So he has one at least one state championship with

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Speaker 3: all three of his daughters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such an awesome just memory, and that would

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Speaker 1: make me so proud. You know, one day, I'm never

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Speaker 1: lucky for Liam to win one blue ribbon in a

906
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: swim meet and you're like, yeah, yeah, you guys did

907
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Speaker 1: at the highest level. That's that's so cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So to share that with him and to kind

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Speaker 3: of see this like full circle moment of all three

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Speaker 3: of us have had that, it's like, I don't know

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Speaker 3: anybody else who has that story. So that that, to

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Speaker 3: me is the epitome of like girl dad energy, like

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Speaker 3: Happy Father's Day to my dad and all of the

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Speaker 3: state championships that we were able to break him.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Thank you for sharing that story. Yeah, Happy

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Speaker 1: Father's Day to your dad. Happy Father's stayed all the

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Speaker 1: dad's out there. I think I think we've gone on

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Speaker 1: for long enough today, so we will end it there

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Speaker 1: for Tory mclaney, I am Will McFadden. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: so much for listening and watching, and we will see

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Speaker 1: you soon.