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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we have broken down the

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Speaker 1: film from the Ravens twenty seven to nineteen win over

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings out in Minnesota. Big road win for

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Speaker 1: the Ravens that pulls them one game behind the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: Steelers now and the standings Steelers lost the LA Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Harball Brothers got it done this week. Yeah, okay, so

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Speaker 1: Ravens are only one game back. They're in good position

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Speaker 1: right now. But Garrett, coming out of that game, I

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Speaker 1: think one of the messages obviously the Ravens are feeling good,

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Speaker 1: feel like they've turned this ship around and they're heading

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Speaker 1: in the right direction. Won three straight games. Of course,

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Speaker 1: people look ahead of the schedule and the challenges of

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Speaker 1: the different opponents, and I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: see the Ravens going on an extended run here. But

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Speaker 1: one of the messages coming out, despite how good you

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Speaker 1: feel about that win from the Ravens, it and then

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Speaker 1: John Harwall reiterated on Monday, is ain't done anything yet?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, And Hardball made that point on Monday and

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Speaker 2: saying like the question was essentially, like have you turned

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Speaker 2: this thing around? That's the point, and that's what everyone's

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Speaker 2: saying right now. We said it in our immediate reaction

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Speaker 2: after the game on Sunday, and his point was we'll see,

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Speaker 2: Like that remains to be seen, That final story remains

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Speaker 2: to be written. And I think that there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of reason for optimism about around this team and the

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Speaker 2: schedule that's on the horizon, and this team's ability to

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Speaker 2: go and have that extended run and make the playoffs

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Speaker 2: and win the division. I think that all of those

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Speaker 2: things are certainly realistic for this Ravens team, but they

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Speaker 2: also know that nothing is going to be handed to them.

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Speaker 2: I thought Kyle Hamilton summed that up about as well

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Speaker 2: as possible. Let's go ahead and play his quote after the.

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Speaker 3: Game, starting to hit our shrud. You know, it's not

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Speaker 3: a surprise to us. I think we're playing to our

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Speaker 3: potential now and that's gotta be sustained. You know this,

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Speaker 3: We're not We're happy we got the win, but we're not,

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Speaker 3: you know, ecstatic about what our record still is. You know,

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Speaker 3: we still have stuff to do and people to prove wrong,

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Speaker 3: people to prove right. So you know, this is a

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Speaker 3: good building block to going forward in season. You know,

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Speaker 3: we could be undefeated and still feel like we have

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Speaker 3: stuff to do. But you know, I think what got

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Speaker 3: us not trying to bring out the past. I think

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Speaker 3: what partially, partially what got us to one in five

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Speaker 3: was the fact that we came into the season maybe

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Speaker 3: thinking I'm not speaking for everybody, but we're the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna do this, We're gonna do that. Teams are

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Speaker 3: just gonna lay down and let us win games, and

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Speaker 3: that's not how it is in this league. So we

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Speaker 3: got punched in the mouth early in the season, but

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Speaker 3: now I think we're responding well, and you know, we'll

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Speaker 3: just have that car tissue going forward when we just

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Speaker 3: start stacking wins.

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Speaker 2: So I think that speaks to the focus of the seam,

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Speaker 2: like they're not going to get caught up and believing

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Speaker 2: the hype right now. They're not gonna say, hey, we've

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Speaker 2: won three straight, let's get the parade plans, let's go

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Speaker 2: ahead and book Like that's not the way this team is.

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Speaker 1: Thinking, saying it's a victory for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the Ravens are. There will be no size

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Speaker 2: of up victories until the size of up victory for

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Speaker 2: this team. Like, that's the way that this team is

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Speaker 2: looking at things, and I think that is the right

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I absolutely agree. So we're going to dive into

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Speaker 1: the film, but before we do that, we have some

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Speaker 1: news updates to discuss from head coach John Harball's Monday

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Speaker 1: press conference and news around the league and Garrett. It

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Speaker 1: always starts with injury updates, and the Ravens have been

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Speaker 1: in a really good position injury wise. The past two

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Speaker 1: weeks had a completely everybody on the fifty three was healthy. Well,

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Speaker 1: actually it turned out not to be the case because

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Speaker 1: Marlon Humphrey suffered a finger injury late last week and

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Speaker 2: But still of course played in the game.

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Speaker 1: Still played in the game, right, so the whole fifty

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Speaker 2: Under sells the Yeah, Like and that's that's tough, especially

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Speaker 1: But he did make a pick.

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Speaker 2: He did make the pick, and and like he deserves

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Speaker 2: a lot of credit for making that interception with that

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Speaker 2: after the game and made the point that, like, if

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Speaker 2: But I give him a lot of credit for making

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Speaker 2: he was setting up the blockers. In reality, he didn't

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Speaker 2: was not in position to return it. And he made

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Speaker 2: uncomfortable to play with the hands I'm guessing from a

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Speaker 1: Well you can't. You know, like when you're making tackles,

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Speaker 2: Exactly what came to my mind was on the one play,

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Speaker 2: guessing that part of the tackling attempt. I think that

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Speaker 2: part of that probably was the inability to use both

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Speaker 2: if he ends up having surgery here.

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Speaker 1: Like dragging people down you're not with one hand is

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Speaker 1: not great. You can hit people, but like with your

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Speaker 2: You don't want to be one handed exactly, And like

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Speaker 2: the Ravens have had guys play with one one hand

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a great situation.

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Speaker 2: It's not great when you have to be playing with

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Speaker 2: to miss some time. You know, the Ravens are going

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Speaker 2: those have not been prolific passing offenses, and so the

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Speaker 2: Ravens have a good secondary even if Marlin's not out there.

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Speaker 1: These would be the weeks if you were gonna miss time,

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Speaker 1: These are the weeks you want him. You want him

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Speaker 1: back against the Bengals, Let's say for Thanksgiving night, right

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Speaker 1: with with Joe Flacco, those wide receivers come to town.

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Speaker 1: You want to make sure you have Marlon Humphrey on the.

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Speaker 2: Field, Joe Flacco or Joe Burrow. We'll get to that

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that. Yeah. But so if yeah, I

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Speaker 2: And maybe he'll elect to try to play through it

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Speaker 2: and just see, like the Ken, this thing he on

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Speaker 2: its own. We'll see. I think we'll get a better

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Speaker 2: go out to practice. Is he out there? Is he not?

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Speaker 2: Is he wearing the brace the club?

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Speaker 1: Knowing Marlon, we might get the search that's truly before Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: You know, listen to his podcast. Yeah, that's that's a

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Speaker 2: fair point. We might get an update prior to Wednesday's

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Speaker 2: injury for it, But that is a big thing, and

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Speaker 2: Marlin has been playing good football of late, and so

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Speaker 2: it would be it would be tough to lose him

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Speaker 2: do you want to bite the bullet and miss time

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Speaker 2: it's not too burdensome. And that could go either way.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know, if it takes another hit and

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Speaker 1: The other injury was shot bateman John Harball said he

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Speaker 1: had an ankle sprain, but it remains to be seen

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Speaker 1: how serious of a sprain it is. That play happened

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Speaker 2: it fined. A lot of guys have been fined for

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Speaker 2: So it's been enforced in that way a lot of times.

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Speaker 2: And for Bateman again, that is gonna be one that

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Speaker 3: Is he full?

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Speaker 2: What's his status out there? And that's one that I

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Speaker 2: John Harball said, we'd have a better indication of that

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday when the Ravens go out there for full practice.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Then the third injury is to rookie linebacker Jay Higgins,

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Speaker 1: and that one we don't know what the injury was, unspecified,

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Speaker 1: bit longer a few games for the undrafted rookie. He's

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Speaker 1: really been playing on special teams. But you know that

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Speaker 1: hurts too. Guy's been active on game days. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that makes me wonder about roster movement at all.

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Speaker 2: Does that become an IR situation where you bring somebody up?

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Speaker 2: Can you could he be back soon enough that you

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Speaker 2: don't want to use an IR spot. If the Ravens

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Speaker 2: have everyone healthy as they've had, those roster spots are

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Speaker 2: are just hard to come by, and so you there's

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Speaker 2: just some roster decisions that the Raves will have to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's being a roster decisions. If Batman is sidelined,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a question like what does how does that

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Another piece of news from John Harball's press conferences.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. You know, Derrick Henry's

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Speaker 1: He is one thousand percent very capable of ripping one

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Speaker 2: ready to go at the right moment, and they called

435
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Speaker 2: that at a perfect time and definitely called the defense

436
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Speaker 2: off guard. Lamar Jackson just made that look so easy

437
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Speaker 2: on catching that ball like above his head. Mar Mark

438
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Speaker 2: came in hot with that pass.

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Speaker 1: That game up there.

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Speaker 2: That was that was really well done. But that was

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Speaker 2: another one. And then the third that I thought did

442
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Speaker 2: a really nice job of catching the defense off guard

443
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Speaker 2: was the pass play to Mark Andrews. They faked the

444
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Speaker 2: play before they ran Lamar left, and.

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Speaker 1: Well that was that in and of itself. I want

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Speaker 1: to stop you right there. That was creative. And this

447
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Speaker 1: is gonna you're starting to dive into the red zone

448
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Speaker 1: conversation that I want to have because that was one

449
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Speaker 1: of the takeaways from the game is like what happened

450
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Speaker 1: in the red zone. The Ravens were not as effective

451
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Speaker 1: as they wanted to, but part when they were effective,

452
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Speaker 1: part of it was this creativity that you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so just again, that was one of those plays.

454
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Speaker 2: But then there's also on one Lamar Jackson runs left,

455
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Speaker 2: he picks up a nice game and then basically the

456
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Speaker 2: runs looks like he's running right. Defense all sucks up

457
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Speaker 2: and it's so much attention on Lamar Jackson and his

458
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Speaker 2: ability as a runner that they forgot Mark Andrews.

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Speaker 1: And Charlie Coler. Yeah, they were both wide o.

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Speaker 2: Like Mark Andrews, who's caught more touchdown in a Raven's

461
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Speaker 2: uniform than anybody else, He's wide open in the back

462
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Speaker 2: of the end zone and that was pitching catch. He

463
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Speaker 2: made a nice play to go up in sky for

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Speaker 2: it to make sure he kept his feet in bounds.

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Speaker 2: But you forget about eighty nine around around the end zone.

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Speaker 2: That speaks to the attention and the creativity that Lamar

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Speaker 2: Jackson and the play call created.

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Speaker 1: It was it was also I think created confusion because

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Speaker 1: of the Ravens formation and alignment in that play. I

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Speaker 1: mean they had Charlie Kohler out playing wide receiver out wide,

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Speaker 1: and Mark Andrews kind of in the slot, and then

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Speaker 1: Isaiah likely also not in line. But also you had

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Speaker 1: your three tight ends out wide right with Charlie Kohler playing.

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Speaker 2: Like X yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so basically, you know, the Ravens had some early

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Speaker 1: red zone struggles and then they got into it and said,

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Speaker 1: Todd Monkins said, all right, I'm gonna to borrow Greg

478
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Speaker 1: Roman phrase. I'm gonna open up the vault a little bit.

479
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Speaker 1: And and so a creative alignment on that play with

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Speaker 1: the tight ends, even the run left to with Lamar.

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Speaker 1: The play before that you reference another very creative alignment,

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Speaker 1: especially with the three tight ends. Mark Andrews started under

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Speaker 1: center on that. It was it was another fake toush

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Speaker 1: push to Mark Andrews. He ended up being he kind

485
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Speaker 1: of moved moved out to the left, and then you

486
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Speaker 1: get this quick speed you know, Lamar run left, sprint left,

487
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Speaker 1: and you have all three tight ends out blocking, Derrick

488
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Speaker 1: Henry out why blocking, and Tyle Linerbaum out likely cracked

489
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Speaker 1: down on it, but you had four blockers out wide

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Speaker 1: in front of Lamar Jackson ye and so creative stuff

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Speaker 1: there from Todd munkin two and and honestly, I think

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Speaker 1: that that's what it often takes the red zone. That's

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Speaker 1: when you have to go dial up some of these

494
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Speaker 1: more creative plays that you've been working on for weeks

495
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Speaker 1: and things, because you know, the Ravens first two trips

496
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Speaker 1: the red zone did not work out well. And the

497
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Speaker 1: first one specifically, that was really just a it was

498
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Speaker 1: a third and two key third and two just didn't

499
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Speaker 1: get it blocked up at all. Derek Henry ran into

500
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Speaker 1: pat Ricard's back, didn't block it up well at all.

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Speaker 1: Second trip, nobody opened. Nobody opened to basically lamar throwaways

502
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Speaker 1: on second and third down after you know wore he's

503
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Speaker 1: lost his block on first and goal from the four

504
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: that got run got blown up. Now they throw two

505
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Speaker 1: straight and it was just covered up. And so then

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Speaker 1: I think Todd Monkins said, all right, let's we got

507
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Speaker 1: we gotta get a little more creative down here. Yeah,

508
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Speaker 1: and next two trips got touchdowns on both this well.

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Speaker 2: You talk about the Mark Andrews touchdown too. You said

510
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Speaker 2: all three tight ends were on the field. You kind

511
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Speaker 2: of short changed. There's really four tight ends on the

512
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Speaker 2: field because pat Riccard was out there too, shrined up

513
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Speaker 2: at tight end, so you was he in line he

514
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Speaker 2: was in line on that play on the right side

515
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Speaker 2: or he was on the left side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was three. The other three tight ends were

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean there's it's in the same personnel package.

519
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Speaker 2: You have three tight ends and a fullback or fight

520
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Speaker 2: four tight ends, however you want to call it.

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Speaker 1: Yea.

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Speaker 2: And so they've got the bits the big package out there,

523
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Speaker 2: and they but.

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Speaker 1: Then they got Charlie Cohler out wide.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they got him out wide like he's he

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Speaker 2: and then again it looks like that's a classic. It

527
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Speaker 2: looks like it's going to be a run and it

528
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Speaker 2: was the play before. And so that's that's part of

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Speaker 2: the Lamar Jackson effect, and it's part of.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens tight end effect.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's all of it. Honestly, it's Lamar Jackson

532
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Speaker 2: effect because he his ability as a runner creates so

533
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Speaker 2: much focus on him that you can just forget about

534
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Speaker 2: the guy who's caught more touchdowns in a Ravens uniform

535
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Speaker 2: than anybody. Yeah, and then it also speaks to the

536
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Speaker 2: talent of the tight ends and the creativity from the

537
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Speaker 2: coaching staff, like there's all three levels at play there.

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Speaker 2: And I'm with you, I think that those are the

539
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Speaker 2: types of things that that you need to do in

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Speaker 2: that part the field. And John Harwall talked about that

541
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Speaker 2: pitch play to Lamar, and he made the point there

542
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Speaker 2: that like, these are the kinds of things that you

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Speaker 2: need to do in those win you games.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And and the fact that the Ravens put some of

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Speaker 2: that creative stuff on tape, on the fake Toush push

547
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: and on these sweet plays with Lamar one running, one passing,

548
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: it just gives defenses more to think about. And and

549
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Speaker 2: they're gonna have variations of these plays, like that's what

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Speaker 2: that's what the Mark Andrews touchdown was. It was a

551
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Speaker 2: variation of the play right before it. And the Toush

552
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Speaker 2: push was a variation of the toushbush. Like They're gonna

553
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Speaker 2: have variations of these and that just gives defenses more

554
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Speaker 2: and more things to think about. And I also think,

555
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Speaker 2: like using that Toush push example, now, I think teams

556
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Speaker 2: are gonna be a touch more hesitant.

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Speaker 1: To be to react to the Tousch push to the

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Speaker 1: actual touch push.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think that that like you got to take

560
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Speaker 2: a second work of Lamar in the backfield and make

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Speaker 2: sure that like let's make sure they're really running this

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Speaker 2: with the tight end in this situation. I think all

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Speaker 2: of it helps moving forward for how defenses are gonna

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Speaker 2: play you.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with that. John Harbaugh was clear that

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Speaker 1: they need to improve in the red zone in order

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Speaker 1: to achieve what they want to achieve. That I'm sure

568
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Speaker 1: will be a continued focus this week for Todd Munkin

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Speaker 1: in the offense. One last thing I want to talk

570
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Speaker 1: about with the offense is the way we talked about

571
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Speaker 1: it a lot leading into the game. Was the Vikings

572
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Speaker 1: blitz with Brian Flores and They're gonna blitz a lot,

573
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Speaker 1: and how are the Ravens and Lamar Jackson gonna handle it?

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Speaker 1: And well it came to fruition. Yeah, the Vikings blitz

575
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Speaker 1: fifty eight point eight percent of the time. The Ravens, however,

576
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: took just one sack against that. Lamar Jackson was twelve

577
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Speaker 1: of nineteen for one hundred and eighteen yards on his

578
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Speaker 1: quick passes. And that's really how the Ravens neutralized that

579
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Speaker 1: blitz was get the ball out of Lamar Jackson's hands. Fast,

580
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Speaker 1: quick decisions, quick execution. So this was his two point

581
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Speaker 1: five to nine seconds to throw. Was the sixth fastest

582
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Speaker 1: time of his career. You know it was the fastest time.

583
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Speaker 1: Tell me Dolphins game against Brian Flores back in twenty

584
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Speaker 1: twenty one, and so the Ravens knew they had to

585
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Speaker 1: get the ball out of Lamar's hands fast, and they

586
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Speaker 1: did that.

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Speaker 2: I thought that this is kind of speaks to like

588
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Speaker 2: the evolution of the offense that we talked about coming

589
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Speaker 2: into the game. The Ravens have got so much better

590
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: at having answers for those types of that approach on

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Speaker 2: defense where they're bringing the house yep, and defenses are

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Speaker 2: going to continue to try to do that. Like, Okay,

593
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: you got the Browns coming up this week. They're an

594
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Speaker 2: aggressive defense and now they got an all world pass

595
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 2: rusher of Miles Garrett who can win one on one

596
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: battles in a way that you don't necessarily need to

597
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: blitz in the same way. But Jim Schwartz is still

598
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Speaker 2: going to bring it like that's the way that they

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Speaker 2: play defense. And so I would expect the lessons learned

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Speaker 2: from the whole Brian Flores challenge and that type of

601
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Speaker 2: defensive scheme will apply this week as the Ravens move

602
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Speaker 2: forward against Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely agree with that. Lamar threw a quick pass

604
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Speaker 1: that's under two point five seconds on sixty five point

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Speaker 1: five percent of his attempts. That's the second highest rate

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Speaker 1: of his career. So maybe against the Browns that'll be

607
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: the highest rate, yeah, of his career.

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Speaker 2: It certainly could be. So it's a similar approach that

609
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Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz and that Browns defense brings. And we'll see

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Speaker 2: how that plays out this week. So let's take a

611
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Speaker 2: quick break and then when we come back, we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about one of the breakout players on this defense and

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Speaker 2: also take a look around the AFC North. You're listening

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Speaker 2: So a player who is coming on really strong right

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Speaker 2: now is the rookie first round pick Malachi Starks. And

620
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Speaker 2: when the Ravens drafted him and we did our initial

621
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Speaker 2: draft recap conversations and you're looking at the highlights from

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Speaker 2: this guy. What we hoped he would become is what

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Speaker 2: we have seen these last two weeks. Like a player

624
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Speaker 2: who flies around the football, who's in the right spot

625
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: at the right time and can come up with playmaking

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Speaker 2: type moments, and that's what he's done with picks and

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Speaker 2: back to back games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I think I predicted Malachi to lead this

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Speaker 1: team in interceptions, did I not? Oh, he's climbing up

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Speaker 1: the light now he's tied with Nate Wiggins too. Two.

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Speaker 2: Well, Nate was my pick, So I need my guy

632
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Speaker 2: to come up and make a few more interceptions here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Also, I will give you credit. You did say you

635
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Speaker 2: predict him to have an interception in this game. So

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Speaker 2: are you gonna go three for three? Are you calling

637
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Speaker 2: that put on the spot right now?

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Speaker 1: I mean Dylan Gabriel? Yeah, why not? Yeah? I think

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Speaker 1: that Malachi is playing really well. So according to Pro

640
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: Football Focus, he is the highest graded safety in the

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Speaker 1: league over the past two weeks. He's been the Ravens

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00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: highest graded player offense or defense the past two week weeks,

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Speaker 1: and he's he's beating out some very good company right now.

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Speaker 1: Malachi starks as the past couple of weeks some of

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Speaker 1: the top safeties in the league. So I actually bumped

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Speaker 1: into Chuck Pagano down in the cafeteria and was telling

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Speaker 1: him about that about Malchi's strong grades and he said, man,

648
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: this guy is really coming on and just the range

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Speaker 1: that he's showing, the smarts that he's playing with that

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Speaker 1: it's he's very impressed with what he's seeing from Malachi.

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Speaker 1: And I agree. Part of it too for me is

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Speaker 1: the physicality he just he's he's playing. He's not overthinking now,

653
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: is what it looks like to me. And he's coming

654
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: up and taking on blockers, he's making hits. He just

655
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: seems to be playing with so much more assurance. Yeah,

656
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: I think he's always been a confident guy and the

657
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: work he puts in and all that stuff, but now

658
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: he's not thinking as much on the field and he's

659
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: just playing and you're seeing the natural playmaker that he

660
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: is come through.

661
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: One of the things that struck me about Milchai Stars

662
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: from the very first day I met him was just

663
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: how studious he seemed and smart and had an understanding

664
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: of everything that happened on the defense of Georgia and

665
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 2: would be happening at the NFL level. And I think

666
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: that that's that's an asset. However, with that, I think

667
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: you also so probably saw early on, is that he's

668
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: like processing everything that's happening because he's like so aware

669
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: of the of the calls and what should be happening,

670
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: and like you're thinking, like he's a thinker, and like

671
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: you want to have a safety that has like this

672
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: great feel and knowledge of everything happening in front of him.

673
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: But like that can slow you down a little.

674
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: Bit, and you don't want to make a mistake when

675
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: you're a rookie and all those things, especially you know

676
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: he's playing center field. You can't let it get it

677
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: past him, and so you're really cautious of not making

678
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: a mistake.

679
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 2: And the word that he used when I asked him

680
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: about this was trust. He's trusting himself that he knows

681
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: what he's doing and he's going to be in the

682
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: right spot and he can just play, and he's trusting

683
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 2: his teammates. And so if you trust the entire system,

684
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: that does allow you to play free. Because if you're

685
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: not worried about trying to cover up a mistake or

686
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: make up for a miss assignment, or make making a

687
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: mistake yourself, Like if those are not things that are

688
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: at the front of your mind, then you can go

689
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: out there and play with instincts. And and I like

690
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: the other thing, I really like is when he's in

691
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: a position to make a play, he's making it, like

692
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: coming across the field and going up and making that

693
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: catch and.

694
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: Get justin Justin Jefferson, Justin Jefferson like that.

695
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: That's that is a tough play to make, and I

696
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: really like his his ability to finish the play when

697
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: he has the opportunity. So yeah, it's like I've always

698
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: felt this year, like for the Ravens to be a

699
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: team that that gets over the hump, goes deep into playoffs,

700
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: all those things. A lot of it is going to

701
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: come down to the play of this rookie class because

702
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: they've got They've got a number of players in this

703
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: rookie class playing significant snaps. Malachi at the top of

704
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: the list, Mike Green, Teddy Buchanans.

705
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: Gives back to my predictions. I was hot, very high

706
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: on the rookie class coming into the year, and it

707
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: got off to a slowish start, I think it's fair

708
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: to say. And they were getting a lot of playing time,

709
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: So it's not surprising when you that many rookies get

710
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: thrown into the deep end. You're gonna have some guys

711
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: that need swimming. Yeah, it's tough to keep keep your

712
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: head above water and so, but the Ravens are seeing

713
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: that payoff now, all that experience that they've gotten, now

714
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: they've just seen that they're not rookies anymore. They've played

715
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: nobody's played more snaps than male guy Starks has on

716
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: this entire team. Mike Green's playing the most snaps of

717
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: any of the outside linebackers. Yea, Teddy Buchanan is playing

718
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: a ton and just he also had his best game

719
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: of the year in Minnesota according to Pro Football Focus.

720
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: And so I think that's all paying off now.

721
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, if those guys can continue that trajectory that we're

722
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: seeing is ken j Jackson. Kendre Jackson is another one. Like,

723
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: if those guys can continue that, then I think that

724
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: this team is going to be in a really good position.

725
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: One other guy wants to.

726
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: Feld goals.

727
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, one other guy I want to mention on defense,

728
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: not a rookie, but a new addition to Draymond Jones.

729
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: The Ravens traded for him.

730
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

731
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: He steps in and plays right away. It was a

732
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: really good debut for Draymond Jones. He had four quarterback pressures,

733
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: pressure the quarterback on twelve percent of his pass rush snaps.

734
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: That's what the Ravens need. They need somebody who can

735
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: can create havoc, get after the quarterback, create disruption, and

736
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: he can play inside, he can play outside along that

737
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: defensive front, so.

738
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Speaker 1: As they use the versatility lined up left outside linebacker

739
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: and right and I believe it was left defensive end

740
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: for thirteen snaps. Yeah, so you saw some of that versatility.

741
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: What in just his first game.

742
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: He a little note on him. This is going to

743
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: be a big game for him. He grew up in

744
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: Cleveland and so he's got a bunch of family there,

745
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: lives there in the off season. So this is definitely

746
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: a game that he's got circled on his calendar, and

747
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: he's excited about the opportunity to go home and make

748
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: an impact in this game. So maybe he gets his

749
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: first sack as a Raven back home in Cleveland.

750
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely. And speaking of Cleveland and the AFC North,

751
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: there is news coming out of the division A. As

752
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: we mentioned before, Dylan Gabriel will remain the Browns starter.

753
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: After another loss, Kevin Stefanski has asked are they going

754
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: to consider making the quarterback change to Shadora Sanders, which

755
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: has been much talked about around the league. That will

756
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: not happen this week. It's going to be Dylan Gabriel again,

757
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: and so the Ravens will get another rookie quarterback. And

758
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: then as well, speaking of quarterbacks, Joe Burrow has returned

759
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: to practice for the Cincinnati Bengals coming off his major

760
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: foot surgery. He is well ahead of schedule in his rehab,

761
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: according to him and Jay Glazer, and it's looking like

762
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: playing on Thanksgiving Night here at M and T Bank

763
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: Stadium is not out of the question.

764
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: He was asked after practice on Monday, yeah, about what

765
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: would it mean to be back for that game on

766
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Night, and he said it'd be very meaningful. Like

767
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: he he kept it. He didn't have too much to say,

768
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: but he said a lot in few words. And then

769
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: when you add to the reports, Jay Glaizer saying that

770
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: the return table timetable was Thanksgiving Ish, Thanksgiving Ish, and

771
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: there happens to be a game on Thanksgiving Night, which

772
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: is in the Thanksgiving Ish timeline. And I think that look,

773
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: Burrow and the Ravens have had some battles over the years,

774
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: and he wants to be on the field against the Ravens.

775
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: And I suffered a season ending injury. His risks.

776
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: I even go back to, like when the schedule came

777
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: out of this year and he made some gripes about

778
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: having to play another primetime game on the road in

779
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: Baltimore on Thursday night, Like, so that game was kind

780
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: of on his radar immediately immediately, and so like, you know,

781
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: he wants to be out there. And again, these teams

782
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: have had some battles against each other, so I think

783
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: that he is going to do everything he can. And

784
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: it's interesting though, because Joe Flacco is operating that offense

785
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: at an incredibly high level, like he's been awesome, and.

786
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: That offense hasn't been the problem, has not been the

787
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: problem in Cincinnati the past couple of weeks.

788
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: Joe fla is putting up like thirty five to forty

789
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: points a game for that offense.

790
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: And so what this boils down to is it seems

791
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: like the Ravens are gonna have to prepare for the

792
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: possibility at least that Joe Burrow plays. I still think

793
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: it seems like a long shot to me, especially he

794
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: has a twenty one day practice window. That Thursday night

795
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: thanks Giving game will be day seventeen. No, so you

796
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: be kind of cutting it short a little bit. It's

797
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: a short week, you're gonna rush him back, especially if

798
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: the Bengals what happens the next two weeks? For two

799
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: weeks for the Bengals, that's the key thing is they're

800
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: out of the playoff chase by that point. Are you

801
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: going to rush back Joe Burrow your franchise quarterback with

802
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: a foot? You don't want to make it worse, But

803
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: who knows. We'll see where they're at. I think that

804
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: it's safe to say that the Ravens are going to

805
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: have to go into that game preparing for the possibility

806
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow plays. However, is that that much different

807
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: for preparing for the possibility that Joe Placo plays. I

808
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: don't think Joe Burrow is gonna come out and start

809
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: running all over over the field on you scrambling in

810
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: this first game back.

811
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: But also it doesn't like the style of play correct

812
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 2: even him.

813
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: The pocket quarterbacks, you were going to get it out

814
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: to those big time wide receivers.

815
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: Right. The structure of the offense remains no matter who

816
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: is playing at quarterback, and as I just mentioned, Flacco's

817
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: got that offense humming and playing at a really high level.

818
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: I think that like, you're gonna have to contend with

819
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: a lot on that offense and the weapons who are

820
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: on the outside, no matter who's a quarterback. But yeah,

821
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: the next two weeks I think are going to go

822
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: a long way. And it turning that the Bengals are

823
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 2: three and six right now. They play the Steelers this game.

824
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: If they were going to be three and eight at

825
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: that point, I think it's a much different conversation. However,

826
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: if it goes the other direction and they win these

827
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: next two games and they're five and six coming in

828
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: at that one, and they feel like Joe Burrow's healthy,

829
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: then I think they're having a much different conversation. So

830
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 2: these next two games are going to go a long way.

831
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: And we talked about the division. It's kind of a there.

832
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: There's two division games EFS North games this weekend, Ravens

833
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: and the Browns and the Steelers and the Bengals play

834
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: each other. So this is an important weekend. We're getting

835
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: into the territory now where this division is going to

836
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: be decided. You mentioned off the top, the Ravens are

837
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: one game out of first place, and so the Steelers

838
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: are certainly within their sights but you got to win

839
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 2: these games. These you have to win these division games,

840
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: and and we'll we'll see what happens for both teams

841
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: on both games on Sunday. But this is a big

842
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: opportunity here, and it's kind of crazy considering where we

843
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: were a month ago that there's a possibility that we

844
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: end Sunday night and the Ravens are coming home from

845
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: Cleveland sitting in first place in the division.

846
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: Certainly yeah five first place.

847
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: Like that possibility is on the table. If the Steelers

848
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: losing the Ravens win, they would be tied at that point.

849
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: The records standpoint North record, and it's it's a lot

850
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: of the season is going to come down to three

851
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: straight AFC North games starting a Thanksgiving Night Bengals, Steelers Bengals,

852
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: and so the Ravens. But the Ravens got to take

853
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: care of the Browns first land, which is never an

854
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: easy tat.

855
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're talking about Thanksgiving Night. There's two games

856
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: between now and then Sunday against the Browns and then

857
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: the next week against the Jets. And and I do

858
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: think as much as we're talking about that that Thanksgiving

859
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: Night and Joe Burrow's return and all that stuff. I

860
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: think that the Ravens are They're very much taking the

861
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: one game in our timeline set like we talked about earlier.

862
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: So as always, you can email us at the lounge

863
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 2: at Ravens dot NFL dot net. We always love hearing

864
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: your emails. Thank you so much for listening. We will

865
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: be back with you later this week.