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Speaker 1: You are listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair.

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Speaker 2: One of the many things I love about cooking is collaboration, sourcing, prepping, presenting, delighting,

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Speaker 2: and healing each other with the food we choose to

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Speaker 2: eat or to cook. Ask any of the friends of

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Speaker 2: Kiera Knightley and James Ryden as I did, or people

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Speaker 2: have worked with them as I did, and they talk

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Speaker 2: of them as almost one person. How they parent their children,

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Speaker 2: Edi and Delilah, bringing music and acting into their home,

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Speaker 2: immersing themselves in the communities they live in, and most

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Speaker 2: appealing to me, investing a large amount of time and

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Speaker 2: deciding what and where they're all going to eat. Kia

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Speaker 2: and James love and they are loved. We've seen Kiera's

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Speaker 2: jewels bend it like Beckham, Elizabeth Bennett, Pride and Prejudice,

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Speaker 2: Annacrenna Collette. We've listened to James as a keyboardist of

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Speaker 2: indie rave Sensation that Clason's. He's now solo artists working

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Speaker 2: in TV film, recently helping Benny and Bjorn create abb

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Speaker 2: a Voyage two worlds joining together music and theater. I

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Speaker 2: last saw Kier and James a few months ago in

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Speaker 2: the River Cafe with our close friends Erdam and Joseph,

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Speaker 2: after an evening of non stop talking how to raise

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Speaker 2: children in a tumultuous world, the movies we've been watching,

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Speaker 2: and above all, where and what we've been eating. We

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Speaker 2: vowed to meet soon. Schedules, families, work and travel got

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Speaker 2: in the way. But here we are on a Monday

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Speaker 2: the best collaboration.

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Speaker 3: Oh how do we speak after that? So we do

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Speaker 3: talk a lot about food.

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Speaker 2: But you did choose, of all the recipes in all

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Speaker 2: twelve cookbooks spaghetti I love Angelais and Imagen is here

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Speaker 2: to bring us the recipe?

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Speaker 3: Did you make it?

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Speaker 2: Imagen?

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Speaker 4: Is this?

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Speaker 2: Do you want to just tell us about this? What

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Speaker 2: do we have here?

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Speaker 4: We've got fresh taglerini which has just been made now

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Speaker 4: with eggs and flour and semolina and the clams. The

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Speaker 4: bongolais from Cornwall, very fresh, and this is one of

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Speaker 4: my absolute favorite dishes. It's cooked finished off with butter

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Speaker 4: and our lovely olive oil, and it's got a little

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Speaker 4: bit of lemon, and it's cooked with fiano white wine.

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Speaker 3: Yum. Now, can I ask everybody how would you if

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Speaker 3: you've got the bongol eate you're the professional. Do you

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Speaker 3: use the shell to take the clams out, do you know?

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Speaker 3: That's delicious, woe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're gorgeous, aren't they. Initially we cook them with

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Speaker 4: fresh chili parsi stalks, which are really sweet, and then

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Speaker 4: you once you've got them coated in the lovely olive oil,

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Speaker 4: we finish it with the white Fiano white wine and

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Speaker 2: They always say littally, you know, take take the person

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Speaker 2: actually then you find out it's not breaking a rule,

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Speaker 2: you know, because spaghetti bongelais comes from the South, and

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Speaker 2: so you know, butter is really no not the norm,

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Speaker 2: so you know, but it just makes that sauce a

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Speaker 2: bit richer, doesn't it. All Right, let's read the recipe

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Speaker 2: then so we have.

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Speaker 3: No I'm going to do the list, and then you're

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Speaker 3: going to read the difficult bit. I find recipes one

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Speaker 3: of the most with dyslexia that it all okay. Spaghetti

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Speaker 3: alivongla for six seventy five grams butter, extra virgin olive oil,

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Speaker 3: liters Vermanino wine. Four hundred grams dried spaghetti.

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Speaker 5: Check over the clams and discard any that are not closed.

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Speaker 2: There you go go beautiful. So growing up in your house,

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Speaker 3: it was very seventies. We were not allowed sugar. It

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Speaker 3: was very like brown ricey, but it was very very good.

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Speaker 3: Mum's bastard pasta sauce. He was very when he's gone

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Speaker 3: you go very anti. My mother's bastard pasta sauce. It delicious,

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Speaker 1: What is it?

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Speaker 5: Onions and garlic, like literally everything.

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Speaker 3: Me and my brother ate everything. There were roast chickens,

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Speaker 3: there was fish, there was fish cakes. There was I

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Speaker 3: remember she made a green sauce with fish cakes. But

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Speaker 3: we had a very tiny kitchen, so you could never

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Speaker 3: cook with her. But it meant that, I think for her,

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Speaker 3: learned to cook from her because you couldn't be in

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Speaker 5: Did you cook with your No, No, I was a

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Speaker 5: different kind of I grew up with my dad who

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Speaker 5: had a little kind of business that you ran at

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Speaker 5: Probably killed me for saying this, but it was, you know,

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Speaker 5: Marks and Spencer's Carbonara ready meals in the.

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Speaker 3: he makes shepherd pie incredible. Every time we go back,

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Speaker 1: Because it's it's really good.

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Speaker 5: It's really great. But my nan would cook for me

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Speaker 2: She the mother of your father.

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Speaker 2: It was this a kind of cooking that she'd grown

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Speaker 5: of feel I still miss that. I still don't know

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Speaker 2: Did she ever let you go in the kitchen if you.

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Speaker 3: But I have to say when we first met, you

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Speaker 3: did You've always made an amazing roast.

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Speaker 1: And that was her.

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Speaker 5: She made an amazing roast in Yorkshire put in you know

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Speaker 5: And with my mom, I just remember being this kind

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Speaker 5: of my food phobias stemmed from kind of her slightly

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Speaker 3: He has condiment issues.

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Speaker 1: Amazing no content in America.

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Speaker 2: Being in America, I think I heard the word condiment

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Speaker 1: Catch up. Butter.

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Speaker 3: There was a butter. No butter you'll have when it's

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Speaker 1: Not that makes sense because it doesn't can't get you.

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Speaker 2: Did you why did you begin?

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Speaker 5: and it was it's mayonnaise, mayonnaise, that one on the same.

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Speaker 1: I banned them all together in this.

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Speaker 3: That swirl of like this is your dad, your dad,

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Speaker 3: You've got a big There's a butter and jam issue

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Speaker 3: but you must never use the same knife. The butter

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Speaker 3: and the jam must never meet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably say that's logical, logical.

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Speaker 1: I don't have my issues.

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Speaker 2: It's like that. I would never be just proving of

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I've now got I've got big.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 3: Really, I'm very careful about the separate.

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Speaker 2: Do you think you could ever fall in love with

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Speaker 2: somebody who didn't care about food?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you ever go out to restaurants?

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Speaker 5: I remember one of my best my favorite Christmas is

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Speaker 5: was Dad took us to the local Chinese for Christmas

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Speaker 1: Was just duck.

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Speaker 2: Did you go out to restaurants as a child.

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Speaker 3: We had the local Indian restaurant, which I loved, and

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Speaker 3: of it was called Walk This Way. That was brilliant. Ye,

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Speaker 5: and we just you know, so then and they got

442
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 5: the Boston accent, a thick iron, you know, and we

443
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 5: drive out and we drive a little bit around the

444
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 5: corn just walk a little bit, and they've got the

445
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 5: key and they're pressing.

446
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know you can press a button on a

447
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 1: on a car remote and hear the beep.

448
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 3: It was there.

449
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 1: They hadn't been stolen. Four year old jaw.

450
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 3: When we were in the back of the police car.

451
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really fun.

452
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 2: Can I just very simply ask you how you met?

453
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 3: Where do we meet? We met at Dean Street Townhouse

454
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 3: in London, which was okay. So that week my agent

455
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 3: said to me, I've had this dream I was single.

456
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 3: I've had a dream that you're meeting your future husband

457
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 3: this week. That's exciting. So I got invited out to

458
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,479
Speaker 3: loads of things and I have to say I'd met

459
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 3: a load of people that week and I was sorry,

460
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 3: this is happening anyway. So the end of the week

461
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 3: was an oscar viewing party, which anyway, so I was like,

462
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 3: really didn't want to go. It was a Sunday night,

463
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 3: I was in the theater. I couldn't be bothered to go.

464
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 3: And then I was like, but I meant to meet

465
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 3: my future husband, so I'm going to go to this

466
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 3: thing that I don't want to go to. And I

467
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 3: sat down and I didn't. I was like, again, everybody's

468
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 3: very nice, but my future husband definitely isn't there. And

469
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 3: my very good friend Tim Phillips, who is a composer.

470
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 3: He phoned me up very drunk, like incredibly drunk.

471
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: Hey man, I'm in Sohomeman and with friends.

472
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 3: Where are you? And I was like, no, no, I'm

473
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 3: a sit down thing. You're not allowed to go. Where

474
00:21:59,040 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 3: are you?

475
00:21:59,359 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 4: Then?

476
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 3: Man, Dean Street Town? Okay, man, I'm coming. Please don't come,

477
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 3: Please don't come. No, please don't come anyway. And the

478
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: door of this private room opens and my friend Tim's

479
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 3: head comes around like this, and my friend's Curran's head

480
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my god. And the third head

481
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 3: come around with James, and James grabbed a seat. There

482
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 3: was a seat and he just grabbed it around and said, hello,

483
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 3: I'm your your future.

484
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 5: There he is.

485
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 3: And then and then you just hate and drank and

486
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: we basically and drank until we got married. You got married,

487
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: well drank until I got pregnant.

488
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 2: And so you just knew that you had this love

489
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 2: of food and alcohol.

490
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 3: It was alcohol, but it was at that point it

491
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 3: was alcohol, but it was a food. No, but how

492
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 3: did you food if you.

493
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 2: Were playing, you were you were a musician, you were like,

494
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: I know that you loved alcohol, but you had to

495
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 2: get up in the morning and work, So how did

496
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 2: you know at that point? Was at yeah, And I think.

497
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 3: Actually maybe if I'd been filming at the time, we

498
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 3: never would have got together. But because I was in

499
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 3: the theater and it was I was doing a show

500
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: with a lot it was great. Was a children It

501
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 3: was Helmut Lillian Hellman children. Yeah, and it was with

502
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 3: Elizabeth mass and it was great because it was a

503
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 3: bunch of girls. We were all like in our early

504
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 3: mid twenties. We were all single, and we were having

505
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: a really really really really good time. And so I

506
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 3: met him in the middle of that when he was

507
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 3: also having a really really really really good time. But

508
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 3: the food thing, he was not into food and he

509
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 3: wouldn't try because of the condiment pre previously mentioned condiment issues.

510
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: There were other food issues at that point, like he

511
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: really wouldn't eat much apart from the cheese on toast situation,

512
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: and I was like, this is not going to happen

513
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: if we can't go out. So again, my my oldest

514
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: and very close friend who's a big foodie, Charlie, he

515
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 3: met him. He was I really like him, but the

516
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 3: food situation is terrible. So we used to take him

517
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: to all of our favorite restaurants and we'd yeah, we'd

518
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: order for him and we we'd be like and he'd

519
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: look at it. No, no, no, no, and then we'd

520
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 3: be like, close your eyes and eat it. So basically

521
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 3: I bullied him into education and then created a monster

522
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: overtook both of us.

523
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: Wow.

524
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 5: No, it's literally the passion and the kind of Yeah,

525
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 5: I have to find it's a recipe. I can't substitute

526
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 5: that ingredient for that ingredient.

527
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: That's a problem.

528
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: It is a problem because you kind of end up

529
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: around London. Yeah, ingredients.

530
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: Can you go places if you're in a film or

531
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: you're doing something, do you try and all uplift and

532
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: go or do you one of you stay home? How

533
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: do you manage?

534
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 3: You know, we have done since children, We've all we've

535
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: traveled together the whole time to just take it gets

536
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 3: to Boston, I mean with our first, since our second

537
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: because then COVID hits, so I haven't done as much

538
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: since the second one was born. But the first one

539
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 3: we were I mean everywhere. Yeah, yeah, we were everywhere.

540
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 2: Tell me about a day in the life of your

541
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: house and you get coffee.

542
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 5: And coffee, make the coffee good, grind it, you know,

543
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 5: fresh b sixty pour over coffee. She gets black coffee

544
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 5: in the morning, get the kids to school, children breakfast.

545
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: Do they have breakfast of anything or.

546
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: Justeal cereal apple? That's fine.

547
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: They have to finish the fruit they do, so they.

548
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: Get an apple or you know, blueberrithes.

549
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 3: That's the only.

550
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 5: And then I go to my studio and work. You

551
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 5: go to your office and work, and then we pick

552
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 5: the kids up, and then what.

553
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: Might you both have your lunches?

554
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? I'm a picky kind

555
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 3: of I'll buy antipacity from our local lovely Italian daddy

556
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 3: and I'll do that. But actually, I mean again, he's

557
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: the cook in the house. So there isn't ever a

558
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 3: moment where you don't go, I want to make something lovely.

559
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: When you wake up in the morning, do you think

560
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: about what you're going.

561
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 5: To do that night?

562
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, always all the time.

563
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: It's literally.

564
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: I found the way.

565
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: I've got some really great and that will go with that.

566
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 5: But it's not a million miles to away from maybe

567
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 5: writing a song or something.

568
00:25:58,840 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: It's the same.

569
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about the.

570
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 5: I don't know it's creativity. I guess that you're kind

571
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 5: of trying to make something from nothing. Say if it's

572
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 5: like at the moment, I'm doing lot scoring, so I

573
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 5: know the kind of world, well it is scoring, composing

574
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 5: for film or TV, and so you know the kind

575
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 5: of you know, this is the palette of instruments we'll

576
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 5: use for this project. Let's say, just like the these

577
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 5: are the ingredients you've got, and this is what you

578
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 5: can do with them, and that limitation that you can

579
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 5: put is good. You know that kind of restrictions are

580
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 5: restrictions are great, like restrictions always. So I think that

581
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 5: that's that's one of the similarities.

582
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 3: But I think because you know, he's obviously a musician.

583
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 3: We have a lot of musician friends. What I'm really

584
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 3: noticing with all of them is that there is an

585
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 3: obsessive collector's quality. It's like rare records, right. They all

586
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: go through a period where it's like I've got this

587
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 3: nineteen seventies Japanese synth music from blah. But you know,

588
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 3: it's that thing. And wine is a similar thing. And

589
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: that's why, like the natural wine thing really suits a

590
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 3: musician because they're like, great, there's this weird producer who

591
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: will only make you know.

592
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 5: And it makes the sharing of that knowledge that the

593
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 5: getting off on like sharing, Oh you don't know about this,

594
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 5: check this out over here.

595
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: It's sharing of the knowledge of getting.

596
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: Excited about you'll do it, you'll do it about ingredients.

597
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: So sorry, but the totally I mean the funniest one

598
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: with the Totally Citrus Foundation two, which you probably know about.

599
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: So there's a okay, So James found out about the

600
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 3: Totally Citrus Foundation that is in Valencia. But he hears

601
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: from Layla Leila. Her name is Lila Lilah's shop in

602
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 3: East and she's got all of the citrus fruit and

603
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: so going, oh, wow, what's the citrus and she says

604
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: about the Totally Foundation, which is basically that a load

605
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: of the citrus. They can't grow all of the different

606
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 3: varieties of citrus fruit anymore in Valencia because they're building

607
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: on all of the land. But somebody has bought this

608
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: plot of land and he's trying to bring back all

609
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: of the different varieties of citrus fruit. So James comes

610
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: back from Lila's shop. He has an entire box everything

611
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: of like every single so many, but there's only two

612
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 3: of us. Wow, this is an intense amount of citrus.

613
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: Can't waste the thing. They were eating everything. I actually

614
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 3: get to the point where I'm like, no, I care,

615
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: I actually can't. I mean, it's amazing, amazing. Did you

616
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: squeeze them and everything?

617
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: Some of them you can eat the skins, you know,

618
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: it's kumquats.

619
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 5: It was this one lemon that I got really excited

620
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 5: about that you can eat, you cut it and the

621
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 5: skins aren't bitter.

622
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 2: It is it like in a mouthy lemon with Admiral.

623
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: There are some lemons that have just a huge amount of.

624
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: Piths, a huge amount delicious and you did, like you

625
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: eat the pith.

626
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was amazing. But he ate so much

627
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 3: that he.

628
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: Volited everywhere too much acid, as he found out. But

629
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: it's funny because there is a lot of things.

630
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 5: There's a lot of musicians who do I remember going

631
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 5: to a wine fair and there will be like a

632
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 5: bump into guy. Weren't you in a band like ten

633
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 5: years ago and we played together? Like yeah, now now

634
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 5: I got a you know, a vineyard in.

635
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: The middle of France and I grow this indigenous great

636
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's like.

637
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: Or who is it from groove Armajo?

638
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing.

639
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: It's also collaborating, you know when we started out about

640
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: collaboration and we do solitary work in the opposite way.

641
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: Michael Caine said that he loved a garden because every

642
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: time he acted it was with you know, so many,

643
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: so many. This is something he could do in a

644
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: solitary way. Sometimes if you're in a band, then you

645
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: can be solitary. If you're cooking, if you're solitary, then

646
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: it's all to do with the.

647
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 5: Going back to the Lemon Foundation, for example, is one example.

648
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 5: It's it's stories and it's it's it's story. It's stories

649
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 5: which connect probably both of us. It's like, you know,

650
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 5: a wine maker just finding out about how that wine

651
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 5: is made, the winemaker's story. There's We used to have

652
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 5: a place in France where we grew wine, we actually

653
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 5: made wine, and we went to visit this one wine

654
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 5: maker who was just.

655
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: And she was a nurse who tended to the vines

656
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: as if they were.

657
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: As if they were people. And so she took around

658
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: and she didn't it was all done by hand or horses.

659
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: So it's really old school. It was in the foot

660
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: of a mountain and she'd grow like wild roses up

661
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: next to it, and I mean it was so beautiful,

662
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Speaker 3: but she she talked about each plant like it was

663
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Speaker 3: a person, and she wouldn't pick the fruit or she

664
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Speaker 3: was tending to some of them and she wouldn't use it.

665
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Speaker 3: And the wine was the most beautiful, you know. But

666
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Speaker 3: that story is something that's so kind of powerful, and

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Speaker 3: you see somebody who's committed their whole life, and particularly

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Speaker 3: I think with wine, it's like it's so, I mean,

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Speaker 3: a hailstorm comes and you've lost the whole thing, you know,

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Speaker 3: So it's really on.

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Speaker 2: The edge agriculture. You go to go, you know, very

672
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Speaker 2: involved with olive oil and wine. A lot of the

673
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Speaker 2: people who produce you know, wine produce olive oil. And

674
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: then you'd go in a year and they've had had

675
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Speaker 2: a hailstorm in August and then the harper is over,

676
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Speaker 2: you know, and so they're living on this creativity. But

677
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Speaker 2: it's based on especially now.

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Speaker 5: Especially she was amazing because also she was in an

679
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Speaker 5: area where the lot there's a lot of big wine,

680
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Speaker 5: little hot wine.

681
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Speaker 1: She was getting really fresh, beautiful wine that she's.

682
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Speaker 3: Arguably because she was farming it naturally, so the roots

683
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: had to go down so far so instead of like

684
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: spraying it, and the roots are on the top, so

685
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: you're getting those really big, heavy ones.

686
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Speaker 1: It was like, really the roots were deep.

687
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: So it was like very very.

688
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: Lightly amazing wine. But all of that, Like finding out

689
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: stuff like that is incredible. You know, it makes you

690
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: enjoy it all so much more. You're like, this is

691
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: actually magic.

692
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you doing now?

693
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: I just finished a Netflix six part series called Black Doves,

694
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: which is about Tory MP's wife who is actually a

695
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: deep undercover secret agent selling government secrets. I'm basically a

696
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 3: complete two faced psychopath and I've been having an affair

697
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: and my the person I've been having an affair with,

698
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: gets murdered, and my best friend played by Ben Wisher,

699
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: who's gorgeous and he's an assassin, and we go on

700
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: a murderous rampage trying to avenge my boyfriend.

701
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Speaker 5: There was an amazing I went to set one on

702
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 5: one day and there was an amazing, amazing, juicy scene

703
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 5: between Ben, yourself and Tracey Ullman, which was I was

704
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 5: so lucky to watch them.

705
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Speaker 1: Just masters, all of you are brilliant.

706
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: Nice. You had to flow.

707
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Speaker 2: Saved it, Okay, James, tell me what you're working on.

708
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Speaker 3: Well.

709
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Speaker 5: I finished a TV show called Daddy Issues composed of

710
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 5: music for that which is coming out in August on

711
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 5: BBC One, which is a lovely six part series with

712
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 5: Amy Leewood and David Morrissey. And then I'm just doing

713
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 5: the music for a documentary on a cappella singers in America.

714
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 5: It's an intercollegiate competition that they have in America, very

715
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 5: American college.

716
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Speaker 2: In America, Yale.

717
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Speaker 5: They all saying that, yeah, and you can be very

718
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 5: you know, you could be cynical and go oh. A

719
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 5: lot of them, you know, singers, they just want to

720
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 5: be stars and stuff. But actually these people do the

721
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 5: work and they're very, very good, and there's a lot

722
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Speaker 5: of kind of very touching human stories behind a.

723
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Speaker 1: Lot of their journeys.

724
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Speaker 2: Great, when is that coming out.

725
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 5: It's been made right now, so it'll be finished in

726
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 5: the next month and then it'll probably go.

727
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Speaker 1: To the festivals.

728
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Speaker 2: What's the connection.

729
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Speaker 1: Oh, this is a weird one.

730
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Speaker 5: So we have a mutual friend called Johann who is

731
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Speaker 5: a director, and we were on holiday in France and

732
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Speaker 5: I was at a supermarket getting food for the kids

733
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Speaker 5: and they get this cool from Johann saying, hey, James,

734
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 5: abba are reforming. They've made a new album and they're

735
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Speaker 5: going to do shows. Do you want to be involved?

736
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 5: And I said yeah, sure. So the next thing you know,

737
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Speaker 5: I'm I met up with Benny and Bjorn in London

738
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Speaker 5: and they tell me about their album and what the

739
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 5: plans for what they were doing and this is the

740
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Speaker 5: Abba Voyage show. And then I had to kind of

741
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 5: put the band to find forty odd musicians in London.

742
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 5: We had to rehearse them and audition and pick pick them,

743
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Speaker 5: and then I went to Stockholm for a month with

744
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Speaker 5: Benny and Bjorn in the band and we kind of

745
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 5: figured out the set and how it would work, and

746
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Speaker 5: I spent it was like the most magical month of

747
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 5: my life, just hanging with Benny and Bjorn and getting

748
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 5: to deconstruct Abba songs and listen to all the individual

749
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 5: parts of.

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Speaker 3: A phone calls from you and you were like like

751
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Speaker 3: this is the actual.

752
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: Sense, that's the one.

753
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And they're the most lovely people and it was

754
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Speaker 5: all a bit of a kind of no one knew

755
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Speaker 5: exactly how it would work out.

756
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 2: So I suppose if we're thinking about all your stories

757
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: and all your thoughts, is there a food that you

758
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Speaker 2: would go to if you needed some comfort.

759
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: Spaghetti bollonais Yes, is it?

760
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean that's the thing that's come like, yeah, I

762
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: love it. I mean, if I could have a bowl

763
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Speaker 3: and that's what's going to be in it, I'm just

764
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: going to be like the happiness, preferably with a glass

765
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: of red wine. But you know, if not on its

766
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: own is fine, what would be?

767
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Speaker 1: I don't know? Whe do you know?

768
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: I know?

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Speaker 1: The first thing came to my head was actually one

770
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Speaker 1: of those toasty machines which we don't have, you know.

771
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Speaker 2: That little pattern.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nice, isn't it.

773
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Speaker 2: Let's go back to why the cheese sandwich?

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Speaker 5: I guess because it goes back to maybe comfort. My

775
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 5: NaN's house was comfort. It was that probably because there's

776
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 5: no risk, there's no condiment involved.

777
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you're so wrong. What do you

778
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: mean because you have to put a bit of mustard

779
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: in there? Because that's what And can I tell you

780
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: the best cheese sandwich that you've ever had? Come on?

781
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: It was Charlie's Charlie Charlie again, Charlie really good. Where

782
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 3: he did the thing? And yes he did of course, yeah,

783
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Speaker 3: I mean I know he told you he didn't, but

784
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Speaker 3: I was like, was there Mustard. Of course, that was

785
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Speaker 3: just talking.

786
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: About comfort and you're argument. Come on, guys, I think

787
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: we have to do another one part too, don't you.

788
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're still together.

789
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: I think you will be.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

791
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: Great, let's go have some lunch.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership

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Speaker 5: with Montclair