1 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, January twentieth, and what is going on 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: in Minnesota. You've probably saw this trending all day yesterday 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: protesters interrupted a Sunday church service. A former CNN anchor 5 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: is in tow and now the Department of Justice has 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: launched a criminal investigation with that. Welcome to this episode 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 2: of Amy and TJ Robes. How did we get here? 8 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: This was a mess of an ugly scene. That was 9 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: a mess and uncomfortable for a lot of reasons. But 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: I didn't see this one coming. 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, the story grew and grew and grew, and now 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: it's exploded with threats and promises of criminal charges against 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: the protesters for going into that church. And don Lemon, 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: that x CNN anchor you were just read. Dieren has 15 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 3: been specifically referenced by DOJ officials and his video. His 16 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: journalism is at the center of it all. 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: His journalism. You can't see us, but journalism was in quotations. 18 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: As we say that, because that's a big part of 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: the question. But let's go to what the core of 20 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: the matter is. 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: Ropes. 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: We've seen protests, We've seen dimnistic demonstrations. They have been 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: peaceful in a lot of places we have seen and 24 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: excuse me, overwhelmingly they have been peaceful, but we have 25 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: seen confrontations. Even things that get heated don't sometimes rise 26 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: to the level of violence. This was not violence here, however, Robes, 27 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 2: this is a pretty incredible heated escalation of what we've 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: been seeing on the streets. Look, there's a lot of stuff. 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 2: Folks will tolerate you disrupting for whatever reasons you have. 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: You're gonna bust up a church service, Yeah, this. 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 4: Was Honestly, I hate to say this, but this is 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 4: the only way I can describe, but this was a 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 4: new low. 34 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: And look, protesting peacefully is an important part of being 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: an American and having a free society. That is absolutely 36 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: everyone's right to stand up for injustice in a peaceful way. 37 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 3: But to disrupt a church service and to see the 38 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 3: video and to see the there was a I hate 39 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: to say this, but a righteousness about the protesters. 40 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 4: See what we're doing. We're going up and we're standing 41 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 4: up for justice. 42 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: They believed the pastor, who I don't even think was 43 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: there at the time, was a part of the Ice operations. 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 3: That was what the insinuation was. So they were going 45 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: to go in there because they didn't feel like a 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 3: member of this church, and certainly a leader of this 47 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: church should be also at the same time be affiliated 48 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 3: with ICE, and so they felt justified going in. But 49 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 3: you see this situation where you've got half half of 50 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: the parishioners praying and trying to make it go away. 51 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 3: You have the protesters disrupting, you have Don Lemon going 52 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 3: to throw a microphone in the pastor's face. 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 4: It was tough to watch. 54 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: We'll get into their justification because everybody has a justification 55 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 2: these days, and you might hear it and go, yes, 56 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 2: you do what you got to do, including going into 57 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: a church, but just saying we I don't know where 58 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: the line is and where we're going to draw one, 59 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: because we've got people out there justifying killings as well, 60 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: we have people out there justifying violence. Everybody has a 61 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: justification for what they're doing, and we don't know where 62 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: it stopped. But this was in Saint Paul, yes, one 63 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: of the twin cities there. But the Justice Department is 64 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: now investigating a protest at this church. It happened on Sunday, 65 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: in the middle of Sunday church service, and it was 66 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: disrupted This is called the City's Church in Saint paul Es. 67 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: I looked on their website. This is a this is 68 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: a church has been around one hundred plus years there. 69 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: Now I couldn't get an idea of how large their 70 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: membership is, but looking at the video, at least this 71 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: is a medium sized church. At least this service I 72 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: saw on Sunday looked like the pews were fairly packed 73 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: with people. 74 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, my goodness, after the last few weeks 75 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: in Minneapolis, people needed a church service. I think that 76 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 3: might have even Look, who knows how full their pews 77 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: are on most Sundays, but certainly we've talked in this 78 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: country about waning church parishioners. Well, it was nice to 79 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 3: see a full church, but unfortunately dis erupted. 80 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: You know, I didn't think about that little nugget. I'm 81 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: always happy to see people in church. 82 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: Yes, that's a. 83 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 4: Good place to be, and especially during these times, that's 84 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: an amazing. 85 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 3: Way to work out what we're all dealing with emotionally. 86 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: So these people were in church on Sunday, like a 87 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: lot of folks were across the country on Sunday when 88 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,239 Speaker 2: Boom bust in a group of protesters now by most counts, 89 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: and by my look on the video I certainly not 90 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say fifty, but dozens, thirty to forty possibly 91 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: that were in this group. 92 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: So they come in. Who are these folks? 93 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: This is a group organized they call themselves the Racial 94 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: Justice Network. This is a grassroots group run by an 95 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: attorney and a former law professor who is very much outspoken. 96 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 2: Now they go here, like you said, Robes, they think 97 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: that a pastor, which I have not seen this confirmed. 98 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: I haven't either, at least Ice had confirmed it. And 99 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: why would they, But this group believes that a pastor, 100 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: one of the pastors several are listed on their website. 101 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 2: They believe he is in charge of an ICE office there. 102 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: So this is there justification and why they busted up 103 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 2: this Sunday service and romes. We won't even know if he 104 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 2: was there, and by all accounts, I have seen nothing 105 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: that suggested he was actually there at the time. He 106 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: certainly wasn't preaching. 107 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: He wasn't preaching, and certainly the pastor that we will 108 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: talk about later that Don Lemon interviewed during while this 109 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 3: protest was going on, who by the way, handled himself 110 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 3: very respectfully, but yes, he was certainly not the man 111 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 3: that they were looking for or who they were looking. 112 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 4: To call out. 113 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: Yes, so they walk in thirty to forty. We'll just 114 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: tell you what the scenes. All this stuff was live 115 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: streamed and now all the video and the group afterwards 116 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: posted it and edited video and put it up there, 117 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: very proud of what they did. So they walk into 118 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: this church service and Robes, this is uncomfortable. I can't 119 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: imagine being a part of this group. Look, if you're 120 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: going after one guy, we understand you're upset, but the 121 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: people are sitting in that church praising the Lord, and 122 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 2: folks walked in and you hear ice out and you 123 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 2: hear renee good chance. The pastor tries to combat it. 124 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: He's up on stage essentially saying shame on you. Now 125 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 2: he is not as heated as the protesters, so he 126 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: was really calm. Give him credit for that. 127 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: Robe. 128 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: So he is saying shame on you and trying to 129 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 2: get it's just a disruptive scene. 130 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: They would not leave. 131 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: This went on for quite a while. Robes and a 132 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: lot of the demonstrators had phones out in people's faces 133 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: as they were yelling at those people in the church. 134 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: It was an ugly scene. No, there was no violence. 135 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: We should be clear here. I didn't see anything even 136 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: close to him. 137 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 3: It was emotional violence. It wasn't physical violence, but it 138 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: was emotionally abusive. I think that is the best way 139 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: to put it. And again you can see how justified 140 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: they felt. They felt like this was what needed to 141 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: be done. They had to push or take it to 142 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: the next level to get the attention. They wanted to 143 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: have their voices heard, and they've certainly gotten a lot 144 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: of attention that was effective. 145 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: And they clearly, based on the videos and based on 146 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: things they've said afterwards, they're justifying what they're doing. 147 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 4: Oh they've doubled down. 148 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: Oh go Brokes. 149 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: They are gone like we did nothing wrong based on 150 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: what ICE is doing to people in the streets. We 151 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: have the rights, the justification, and maybe even duty to 152 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: come into this church and disrupt it because we believe 153 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: one guy at this church is an ICE officer. 154 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: And you've got a quote here who said this, someone 155 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 3: who claims to worship God, teaching people in this church 156 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: about God, is out there overseeing ICE agents. 157 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 4: Think about what we've experienced. 158 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: How dare you claim to be a pastor of God 159 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 3: and you are involved in evil in our community. 160 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: That is from the head of the organization that did 161 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: rush the place. 162 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: That is the quote she had and rose. You saw 163 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: the video. 164 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: She's in there on a with a speaker on a 165 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: microphone out shouting these people in their own church. 166 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: She took it over. 167 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was again, it's tough to watch to go 168 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: into a place of God and use it's so interesting 169 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: to call out a pastor of God as an evil 170 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 3: person or at least committing evil acts and doing wrong 171 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 3: and using the church to push an agenda that they 172 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: believe is evil. But then getting up in a church 173 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 3: and calling a pastor evil. 174 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 4: It's just it's like the pot calling the kettle black. 175 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: Well, this is but this is strictly right. You're a 176 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 2: bad person. And the words she used in there, how 177 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: dare you all? How are you going to come in 178 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: here and teach about God? How are you going to 179 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: lead people when you're out there doing this? There's like 180 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: as an impossible balance. If you are an ice agent, 181 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: is what she's saying, You're anti Christian. Correct, If you're 182 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: an ice agent, you're against God. There's no way you 183 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: can be Christian and believe in God. And also carry 184 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: out your orders as an ICE agent. That's tough, Robes, 185 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 2: that's we got it here. 186 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 3: You're demonizing an entire group of law enforcement who are 187 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: following the law, who are performing their duties. 188 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 4: It is difficult. 189 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 3: And how you treat people and how you arrest people all, yes, 190 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 3: we can get into. 191 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 4: All of that. 192 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: I mean that does matter. And how you treat people 193 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: even as you're arresting them matters. I get their point. 194 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: But you can't just blanket, blanketly cast all ICE agents 195 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 3: and anyone truly who works for law enforcement under this 196 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 3: administration as evil. It's just it's not true and it's 197 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: not fair, and that incites more rhetoric, which creates and 198 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: can lead to violence period. 199 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: And this certainly Robes. This has got more attention because 200 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: of the Don Lemon involvement. Now Don Lemon, former CNN anchor, 201 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: who has been what's the right way to put him, 202 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 2: a lightning rod, And a lot of this is intentional. 203 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: He does go after and try to have hot takes. 204 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,239 Speaker 2: And while he doesn't mind this at all, full disclosure, 205 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: this is somebody we have known for a long time, 206 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: Robes in the industry, and this is someone who's been 207 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: a friend of mine for twenty years now when we 208 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 2: first started seeing it. If I got a problem with 209 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 2: him and want to criticize Don Lemon, I will call 210 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: him and I will criticize him. So you're not going 211 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: to hear that here from us kind of a thing. 212 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: But we are explaining how he got into this controversy 213 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: because he does do an online show, Robes, and he 214 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: was following at least this group. So he says he 215 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: is reporting from inside the church while this is happening. 216 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: DJ says he's he's embedded and he's a part of 217 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: the problem. His response was Robes that no, I was 218 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: just there covering it. I wasn't a part of it. 219 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: He has been getting ripped online left and right by 220 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: everybody for shamelessly putting himself and injecting himself into this. 221 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: But also Robes saying he's a part of it and 222 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: that he should also be arrested. 223 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 3: Yes, and the DOJ is also saying that they specifically 224 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: called him out yesterday multiple times, saying that he is 225 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: being looked into and investigated and will potentially face I 226 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: don't even think it's potentially. They are saying that they 227 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: are going to pursue criminal charges but you see Don 228 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: Lemon at the beginning of this was even an edited 229 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 3: video that I watched, So again, this isn't he live 230 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 3: streamed it, but then felt so good about what happened, 231 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 3: or at least what he saw, that he put an 232 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 3: edited version of it online for people to look at. 233 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: Again. 234 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: So this is something he's standing by one hundred percent. 235 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: He's gone on podcasts, he's said this is what needed 236 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: to happen. But you see him there saying, we're involved 237 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: in an operation that is secret. I was invited to 238 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: this operation that is secret, operation pull up. So he 239 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: was a part of it from before. It wasn't like 240 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: he was with his crew down the street, saw something 241 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: happening and went to go cover it. It wasn't as 242 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 3: if he was in the church and happened to see this, 243 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: pulled out his phone and covered it. He was with 244 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: them as they entered it. He knew what was about 245 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 3: to happen, and he So where is the role then? 246 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 3: What how would you describe this role? Is he embedded 247 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: with them? Is he he said he was invited to 248 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: go with them into this church? So where is the culpability? 249 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 3: How much a part of it are you? 250 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: Where is the criminal. That's the question. Role, it's criminal culpability. 251 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 2: Where is it if he is, if the language is 252 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: he's clearly embedded, he's not. Okay, no doubt. He knows 253 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: what's happening, when it's happening, where it's happening, exactly what 254 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 2: they're doing, and he knows he wants this coverage and footage. 255 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: He is not live streaming just to say let's see 256 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: what will happen. 257 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: We know that. 258 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: So that's one part at least we'll call bullshit on 259 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: because it's documented every the ride in the car, that video. 260 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: Why he's talking to the live stream yet we're headed 261 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: to the church? 262 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: Oops? Was I supposed to say, sirch church? He's he's 263 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: saying it. We know that. But I don't know, Robes. 264 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 2: If you're embedded versus covering, if you just walk in 265 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: and follow the protesters, are you doing something wrong? I 266 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: don't know the rules on that one. 267 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 4: Okay. 268 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: I'm curious what you or I would do as a 269 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 3: journalist getting a call saying, Hey, we're about to go 270 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 3: bust into a church. 271 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: Not walking in that church either? Am I not walking 272 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: into it? 273 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: And you know, I feel very sure because we didn't 274 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 3: live stream. At this point in our careers, we had 275 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 3: crews with us. Our camera crews wouldn't have gone in either. 276 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 3: They said, absolutely not. 277 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: There are limits. 278 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 4: So I can say as a journalist, I would not 279 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 4: have done that. 280 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: Okay, that's I mean that. We say, you know what, 281 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: it's weird. We're sitting here right if we just happened 282 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: up on a scene and some chaos and wow, there's 283 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 2: a news event happening inside, and you go, this is 284 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: wait a minute, y'all are doing what. 285 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: I don't want them to do. 286 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 3: It created and planned and manipulative, and it feels look 287 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 3: to the point where you know that we would even 288 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: get into something where someone would say something or there'd 289 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: be some sort of conversation, the cameraman would miss it, 290 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: like can you do that again, and we would say no, no, 291 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 3: if you missed it, missed it. There's no staging, And 292 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: this was kind of staging. 293 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: It was completely orchestrated. And in in addition, they there's 294 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: also a video they put out that shows them a 295 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: staging area and a parking lot like all right, guys, 296 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: is we're gonna do ready? 297 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: Break up? 298 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: It was almost a little huddle and Don was covering 299 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 2: that and say he was clearly aware, so to say 300 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: I was just there to cover something, Okay, Again, this 301 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: became a part of the story unfortunately. But Robes, this 302 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: is a big deal in that there is something like 303 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: what law could they any of them been dragged in 304 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: on something called the Face Act that a lot of 305 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: people are now talking about. It is an act that 306 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: prohibits the use or threat of force and physical obstruction 307 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: that injures, intimidates, or interferes with a person exercising the 308 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of 309 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: religious worship. Now it's called the Face Act Robes, but 310 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: it was aimed at people who were trying to go 311 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: after possibly abortion clinics, right, but it is also protects 312 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: those who are trying to worship. They also threw out 313 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: what is this ku Klux Klan Act that some are 314 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: talking about now? Another lack act from eighteen seventy something 315 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: that yes, it protects houses of worship from the Klan. 316 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: It's literally called that the ku Klux Klan. 317 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 4: Wow didn't even know that that existed. 318 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: Yes, so those are all the reasons all that, but 319 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: this was a mess and trending all day yesterday was 320 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: arrest Don woman, or Don Leman's name, or the Face 321 00:15:58,480 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: act or the Ku Klux Klan. 322 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: Everybody was talking about this. But stay here, folks. 323 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: Will we hit on a little bit here, Robes, But 324 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: let's get a little deeper into for just a few minutes. 325 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: When we come back back, is this o kay? You 326 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: feel this way? You feel strongly about what Ice is doing. 327 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: But is it okay to walk into a church on 328 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: Sunday to protest? 329 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: All right? 330 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: We continue here on Amy and TJ on this Tuesday 331 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: morning with something I guess Monday morning quarterbacking Robes. We 332 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: look at what happened there in Minneapolis, and we see 333 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: a journalist going in as well. But the question there, yeah, 334 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: there are questions for Don Lemon. Let's get away from 335 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: that for a second. This is one of and again 336 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: we have to be careful here, Robes about This isn't 337 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: necessarcessarily a stands on an issue. This isn't about what 338 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: Ice is doing, if it's right or wrong, if the 339 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: protests are right or wrong, if Trump is right or wrong, 340 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 2: if Waltz and may or Fry. 341 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: Right or wrong. 342 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: Ropes, where are we now if I feel so strongly 343 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 2: about something is a place of worship not even off limits. 344 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 4: I think it should be off limits. 345 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 3: I think there are places where people should and can 346 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 3: expect peace, and a church is one of them. 347 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 4: If there's any. 348 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 3: Holy grail of don't disrupt, don't incite, a place of 349 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 3: worship is. 350 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 4: Sacred. 351 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: It embodies peace, It embodies love, it embodies acceptance, it 352 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: embodies forgiveness and all of these things that we are 353 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 3: trying to bring into our lives in a real way. 354 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: You go to a church to hear those values strengthened 355 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: to be a better person, to be a better human. 356 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 4: But forgiveness and. 357 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 3: Brotherhood are just a part of the walls and the 358 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 3: fabric of a church. And so to disrupt that and 359 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 3: come in to demand that you think your thoughts and 360 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 3: your views are right, and that a pastor who's leading 361 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: a congregation is wrong, and so you have every right 362 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 3: to go into his house, into God's house, and disrupt 363 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 3: it to prove your point. 364 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 4: I just I don't know if it's criminal. I think 365 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 4: it's awful. 366 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 2: It's so uncomfortable robes, and I I'm sure there's some 367 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 2: people may be listening now, and I'm sure there's some 368 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: people out there who say that it justifies, like what 369 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: we're seeing on the streets justifies them doing whatever is necessary. 370 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: We have no decorm anymore. It's all everything is on 371 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: the table. There is nothing off limits. And I'm saying 372 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 2: this was a you know, the ICE agents are following orders, 373 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: and I'm sure ICE agents, some of them. 374 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: I don't think you have to get that aggressive. 375 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: You didn't have to push that hard, you didn't have 376 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: to spray that and they don't have to protest the space. 377 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 4: Curse words and all sorts of stuff that's going on. 378 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: Lente of that. But I don't know why this was. 379 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: This one was so disappointing because it was a This 380 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: wasn't an order given you weren't following instructions, right, This 381 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 2: is not a part of your job. You made a 382 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 2: conscious decision to go into this house and do this thing. 383 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: It's not even a matter of being religious. You and 384 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: I don't go to church every Sunday. 385 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: The ropes. 386 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: There was something about this one that escalated Minneapolis and 387 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 2: what we're seeing in Minnesota in a way that scares 388 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: me just as much as some of the shit we're 389 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: seeing on the streets. 390 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,719 Speaker 3: So yes, and to what you're saying, the problem is 391 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: the protesters have have a right to be out there 392 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: expressing their views, and there is a reason to be 393 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 3: angry with what we're seeing on the streets. 394 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 4: That is understood. 395 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: But you are now becoming part of the problem instead 396 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 3: of the solution. And I know there's a fine line 397 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 3: between having your voice heard, getting attention, getting the media 398 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 3: to focus on what you want them to be reporting, 399 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 3: not just you're trying to get attention for your cause. 400 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 3: I understand that, and I get it, but now all 401 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 3: the coverage makes this is making protesters look terrible. You're 402 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: doing the opposite of what your intention is. The intention 403 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: is to get people to focus on the travesty that 404 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 3: happened with Renee Good's death. Right, that's what they want 405 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 3: people to say, this is horrific, we can't let this 406 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: happen in our country. But instead now they are the 407 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: story and what they've done and how awful they've acted, 408 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 3: And so now they have completely muddied the waters, and 409 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: now they look bad, and now they've given the other 410 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: side so much to work with. So if they have 411 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 3: just handed them now a narrative of how terrible and 412 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 3: awful and disgusting protesters are, so they have actually completely 413 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: done the opposite of what they wanted to do. And 414 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 3: that is a lesson. 415 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: What is that? 416 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 2: Waltz and fry vinscript, Please don't give them, don't give 417 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: them ammunition. Don't give them an excuse to come in 418 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 2: here and do the insurrection act. Okay, in the same 419 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: vein you just said, you've given them now an upside 420 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: And to the narrative, how can you, like, do most 421 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: Americans look at somebody crashing a church service and go. 422 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's justified. No, I would say most people would not, would. 423 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 2: Not, no matter what your cause is. And I always 424 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: think about and I joke about it sometimes. Michelle Obama's line, 425 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: which convention was it? She said, when they go low, 426 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: I joke about it. She said, when they go low, 427 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: we go high. 428 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 4: Sounds like Martin Luther King Junior. 429 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: Right, when they go low, we go high. 430 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 2: And I joke around saying, when they go low, kick 431 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: them right, because when they're down there already kick we don't. 432 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 2: You're matching the low. And when you match the low, 433 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: this is what happens. 434 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: You don't. 435 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to me now Robes after this incident, 436 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: I looking in that church, who's right, Who's wrong. 437 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. 438 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: Well, most of those parishioners were completely innocent bystanders who 439 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 3: had nothing to do with anything. 440 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 2: But your mama always say you can't don't argue with 441 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: a fool because from a distance you can't tell who 442 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: is who. So they're in there trying to point out 443 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 2: how bad somebody is, but they're not even there. Who's 444 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 2: not there? But they walk in and create a scene 445 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 2: that I don't know who's who, who's right, who's wrong? 446 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 2: Who has morality on this? I don't know, Robes, this 447 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: one is. I did not see this one coming. We 448 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: were waiting for things to calm down on the streets, 449 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: and now things are getting hot in church and possibly 450 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: criminal charges for this. And you can argue disrupting Christians, 451 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 2: you're trying to disrupt Christians from peaceful assembly. Well, nobody's 452 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: gonna that's not gonna sit well with general Americans. 453 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 3: It is not. And the Justice Department said it will 454 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: pursue charges. I mean, there was no we might, there 455 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: was no possibly, And they said specifically this is the 456 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 3: Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights said, Don Lemon himself 457 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 3: has come out and said he knew exactly what was 458 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: going to happen inside that facility. He went into that facility, 459 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: and then he began and he said that, or they 460 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 3: said that just because he was committing journalism is not 461 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 3: a shield from being a part of a criminal conspiracy. 462 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 4: And they're calling this a criminal conspiracy. 463 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: And they're using that line criminal. What'd you say, journalism? 464 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 4: Committing journalism? 465 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: Because he used that phrase and they went. 466 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 4: And threw it back in his face and said that. 467 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 3: And I just there were images even and Don might 468 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 3: have even pointed it out in his live stream of 469 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 3: people who were finally when this all was over, leaving 470 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,479 Speaker 3: the church, but like fathers with their arms around their 471 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: children who were like visibly upset. I mean that that 472 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 3: makes an impression, a lasting impression. 473 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: Again, folks, look, finally here we are. And Againeral, this 474 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: is one of those things where it's difficult to have 475 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: a conversation because in such about such a heated thing, 476 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: because folks think it's just black or white. You're either 477 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 2: on this side or you're on that side. But it's possible, folks, 478 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 2: there is a lot in the middle here, and it's 479 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: okay to one hundred percent support the protesters and their 480 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 2: ideas and what they're protesting, yes, but not be so 481 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 2: comfortable with tactics at times that are used. And this 482 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: is one of those times ropes where it just felt 483 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: like this, this was just it felt awful. 484 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: And what's interesting is, you know, and look, I get it, 485 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 3: people are going to dig in, but even upon reflection, 486 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 3: I can see how maybe they thought at the time, 487 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 3: ahead of time that this was going to prove their 488 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 3: point or be some moment, some aha moment, and then 489 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 3: when they see how it all went down and what 490 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 3: the reaction was, could they possibly say, wow, maybe that 491 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 3: was a bad choice. That's not what we're hearing. We're 492 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 3: hearing we did nothing wrong, and you should be putting 493 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 3: any anger you're directing at us towards the ice agents 494 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 3: who are doing what they're doing on the streets too. 495 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: Minneapolis. 496 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's always uncomfortable when you point out somebody's 497 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: behavior and then they say, well, look at what you 498 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 2: did last week. That kind of a thing. Everybody's done 499 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: that in their relationship, right, you get into a fight 500 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: and yes, well yesterday you told me that is Folks, 501 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: just wanted to give you this quick update about what's 502 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: happening in Minneapolis. Yes, a long weekend there. We had 503 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 2: a holiday weekend. Hope you had a good win. You 504 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: can look for a morning run. We'll have that up 505 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: here shortly and get this Tuesday going. But wherever you are, 506 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: hope you are having a good win. 507 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: Folks. We will be talking to you real soon on TJ. 508 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: Holmes on Behalf of the 509 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 3: Bear, the Spots, the en