Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with Meet
Speaker 1: your Girl Daniel Moody recording re recording from the home bunker, Folks.
Speaker 1: I'm taking a little bit of a respite as we
Speaker 1: gear up for the DNC, but as always, I leave
Speaker 1: you with really good episodes and conversations to dig into
Speaker 1: while I'm gone up. Next, this week, we have our friend,
Speaker 1: Democratic contributor and DNC delegate Kaivon Schroff, who is here
Speaker 1: to talk to us about the VP's momentum, about where
Speaker 1: we see this campaign going, the pivots and pitfalls of
Speaker 1: the Trump dvance ticket, and you know where we think
Speaker 1: we're headed in less than one hundred days? Are we
Speaker 1: about to save democracy? The a meme? Can we gather
Speaker 1: and keep people interested with less than one hundred days
Speaker 1: to go? Kayvon and I get into this and more
Speaker 1: on the next episode, Folks. I am so happy to
Speaker 1: welcome back to OKF Daily friend of the show Kivian Schroff,
Speaker 1: who is a Democratic contributor and a DNC delegate and
Speaker 1: the person that I go to whose tiktoks go off
Speaker 1: the charts when you are covering anything that has to
Speaker 1: do with politics and where we are since I last
Speaker 1: saw you, since we last spoke, there has been a
Speaker 1: seismic shift in this election cycle, with Joe Biden stepping aside,
Speaker 1: VP Kamala Harris stepping in. I want to get your
Speaker 1: thoughts on, just like, how are you feeling? We are
Speaker 1: you know, less than one hundred days until the election,
Speaker 1: How are you feeling about the vibe shift?
Speaker 2: You know? I got to say, I am feeling excited
Speaker 2: by all the new people that seem engaged and the
Speaker 2: texts I've been getting from friends who don't pay a
Speaker 2: lot of attention to politics. At the same time, I
Speaker 2: am deeply skeptical, and I think that this is going
Speaker 2: to be a really hard fight and people are kind
Speaker 2: of taking their eye off the ball a little bit.
Speaker 2: I don't think Vice President Harris or the campaign are
Speaker 2: taking that approach, but I think certainly the people I'm
Speaker 2: seeing respond to this news don't necessarily know what's about
Speaker 2: to come, So I think we all have to be
Speaker 2: all hands on deck for this. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: of my friends are like, oh, Kaivon, aren't you so
Speaker 2: excited by this new you know premise? And I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of reason folks, myself included, really did
Speaker 2: feel that Biden had a strong chance, or as strong
Speaker 2: a chance as anyone for the last several years, to
Speaker 2: win this election because there's a lot of structural barriers
Speaker 2: in this country that don't change overnight.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that that's right, and I think
Speaker 1: it's important for us to realize. And you know, look,
Speaker 1: the Vice President said it recently at the sizeable rally
Speaker 1: that she had in Atlanta, Georgia, And we'll get to
Speaker 1: that in a moment, but she said, look, I'm excited,
Speaker 1: you're excited, but the road ahead is going to be
Speaker 1: a hard one. We are the underdogs. So talk to
Speaker 1: me about you know, the difference in terms of how
Speaker 1: the Harris campaign is kind of seeing themselves in this
Speaker 1: moment with less than one hundred days to go, and
Speaker 1: maybe how some folks in your orbit are kind of
Speaker 1: seeing this moment.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the Harris campaign, I mean, just the
Speaker 2: incredibly impressive pivot we saw from Biden being at the
Speaker 2: top of the ticket to her being at the top
Speaker 2: of the ticket has been extraordinary. And I think, you know,
Speaker 2: people will talk about this throughout history no matter the outcome.
Speaker 2: But I think the people I'm seeing in my orbit,
Speaker 2: and this is really going to be a one for
Speaker 2: one sort of situation where certainly some people are about
Speaker 2: Harris's candidacy. You know, I'm hearing from classmates who really
Speaker 2: felt tired of the Biden Trump dynamic, felt like they
Speaker 2: weren't represented, felt like it was two old white guys,
Speaker 2: and it didn't resonate. And I think one of the
Speaker 2: most exciting things I'm seeing from folks now, especially in
Speaker 2: the digital space, is just that energy coming back and
Speaker 2: the hope. And I think really the difference is that politics,
Speaker 2: as you know, has been digital for quite some time,
Speaker 2: and I think strategically the Biden campaign knew that, and
Speaker 2: they've elevated former digital folks to senior leadership in the campaign.
Speaker 2: All of that already happened. But the reality is Joe
Speaker 2: Biden was still, you know, an eighty year old dude.
Speaker 2: And I think that Vice President Harris just lends herself
Speaker 2: to the digital moment much more easily, and I think,
Speaker 2: you know, much more easily than Donald Trump too, So
Speaker 2: it's a huge advantage. And of course she's always had
Speaker 2: that prosecutor skill set where I think a lot of
Speaker 2: voters were introduced to her for the first time when
Speaker 2: she was going viral at those state hearings, going after
Speaker 2: Brett Kavanaugh, calling out you know, Bill Barr. So this
Speaker 2: is really her wheelhouse, and it happens to be a
Speaker 2: perfect fit for the realities of campaigning and social media
Speaker 2: and our information ecosystems today.
Speaker 1: I think that that's right. I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: the digital nature of her campaign, the memeable nature of
Speaker 1: this campaign is what is driving excitement. Now, there are
Speaker 1: some folks right older generations like myself, who will say
Speaker 1: things like, well, that doesn't equal you know, the excitement
Speaker 1: and the memes don't equal votes and consistent engagement that
Speaker 1: we need to carry us, you know, the next ninety
Speaker 1: some odd days until the election. But yet I don't
Speaker 1: think that people understand that the virality that social media
Speaker 1: has and how we can gin up support is something
Speaker 1: that is important that, like you said, the Biden campaign
Speaker 1: didn't have. Now, while I didn't want I was one
Speaker 1: of the people that didn't want Biden to step aside
Speaker 1: if in fact we were going to have a chaotic
Speaker 1: open primary. I just thought it was going to be
Speaker 1: a disaster that didn't happen. But I think that there
Speaker 1: is something to show the youthfulness and the freshness of
Speaker 1: this campaign versus what we've seen in the past. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember Barack Obama being the first
Speaker 1: to come out and kind of show this connection between
Speaker 1: politics and culture, which I think is necessary in order
Speaker 1: to connect people to the moment that we're in.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I know you mentioned that Georgia rally, and
Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what the campaign is doing and
Speaker 2: they really understand that. So to take that energy and
Speaker 2: excitement and the youth engagement that is happening online and
Speaker 2: then have exciting people like Meg the Stallion, you know,
Speaker 2: not only show their talent and their cultural relevance, but
Speaker 2: connect it to the actual issues on the table, like
Speaker 2: obviously she spoke about reproductive rights and autonomy over your
Speaker 2: own boss, and obviously she has that song Body, you know,
Speaker 2: like that's that's a great moment. So I think finding
Speaker 2: ways to make those touch points and understanding and obviously
Speaker 2: this campaign is sophisticated and they do understand this. It's
Speaker 2: just about executing it. Is that the excitement, the means.
Speaker 2: The internet's a touch point, it's an access point, but
Speaker 2: how do you actually get those people to then go
Speaker 2: volunteer to do something offline, to donate, to show up
Speaker 2: and vote. And I think they've already done some things,
Speaker 2: like I know they've launched a youth the newsletter to
Speaker 2: keep people engaged and updated on the actual policy commitments
Speaker 2: and accomplishments of both the Biden Harris administration, but also
Speaker 2: what a Harris administration would look like. So those are
Speaker 2: the important ways to keep people engaged and make sure
Speaker 2: to manage that community in an actually effective way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's dig into what we saw. You know,
Speaker 1: at the time of this recording, we're coming off of
Speaker 1: the heels of the Georgia rally, right, we're coming off
Speaker 1: of the heels of the call out that the Vice
Speaker 1: president did directly to Donald Trump for now his I
Speaker 1: loved it. I thought it was a moment when she's
Speaker 1: just like, you know, you have something to say, say
Speaker 1: it to my face because they're flapping their gums all
Speaker 1: over the place. But you saw, like you said, Meg
Speaker 1: the Stalin, we saw Quevo, We see you know, politicians,
Speaker 1: we see the viral moment of the head of the
Speaker 1: Young Democrats dancing to not like us, right, Like, there
Speaker 1: are moments that we see long lines that were formed,
Speaker 1: you know, across a highway of people trying to get
Speaker 1: into the event. And so when you see these things,
Speaker 1: what is it conjure for you? And what do you
Speaker 1: think it is doing to help write us understand like
Speaker 1: the importance and the impact of this moment and really
Speaker 1: what we're fighting for.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that Kamla Harris has been underestimated for
Speaker 2: her tenure as vice president and one of the sort
Speaker 2: of blessings I would say, and there's a lot to
Speaker 2: be said about I think some really unproductive, unhelpful voices
Speaker 2: trying to you know, run with and I told you so,
Speaker 2: as if they had predicted that Trump would be shot
Speaker 2: at and Biden would get COVID and five million things
Speaker 2: that nobody could predicted that have led us to this
Speaker 2: moment have happened. And it's just I think the reality
Speaker 2: is that that did lead those voices, though those same
Speaker 2: unhelpful voices, the never Trumpers, the podcast grows that you know,
Speaker 2: a year ago, if you go look at July of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, the media class was calling for Joe
Speaker 2: Biden to replace Vice President Harris on the ticket. If
Speaker 2: you remember, I know memories can be short, but that
Speaker 2: was very much the take. And now you look a
Speaker 2: year later, and suddenly, because they wanted to undermine Joe Biden, frankly,
Speaker 2: all those never trumpers, all those people that were underestimating
Speaker 2: her were forced to actually acknowledge that actually, she would
Speaker 2: be a great candidate, and she is a great candidate,
Speaker 2: and she does have the background and she is ready
Speaker 2: on day one. So that's been a huge shift in
Speaker 2: the narrative around Vice President Harris. And then you look
Speaker 2: at just who she is, not only on a symbolic level,
Speaker 2: the history making potential of all of this, but the
Speaker 2: reality that that has been her whole life and the
Speaker 2: power of that, and how she has definitely handled that,
Speaker 2: and how the last few weeks have shown just how
Speaker 2: ready for this moment she is and nobody can take
Speaker 2: that away from her. And I think that when you
Speaker 2: see those lines and you see the excitement for those rallies,
Speaker 2: she is reinventing what politics means to people, just like
Speaker 2: Obama did. To your point, it's something my generation, I think,
Speaker 2: I'm a very very end of millennials missed. We weren't
Speaker 2: part of that moment, so even folks my age are
Speaker 2: having that moment. I'm thirty now, but certainly gen Z
Speaker 2: is having that moment, that opportunity to be part of
Speaker 2: something bigger and not feel like nothing can be done
Speaker 2: and nothing can be changed and we're trapped and limited.
Speaker 2: So it's an exciting time.
Speaker 1: I think that it's really important this idea of what
Speaker 1: you just said of feeling hopeful instead of trapped and limited,
Speaker 1: because I think that you know, while again respected what
Speaker 1: Biden was doing with trying to save the soul of
Speaker 1: the nation and the rhetoric that he was using it
Speaker 1: was incredibly heavy, there are multiple ways that we can
Speaker 1: talk about democracy, that we can talk about freedom, and
Speaker 1: you can see that just even the usage of Beyonce's
Speaker 1: Freedom as her campaign song, right and that first video
Speaker 1: that went out, you still see the importance of what
Speaker 1: we're talking about of family, of the economy, of community,
Speaker 1: of connectedness, of racial diversity, of all of the values
Speaker 1: that we have that Biden and how A share, but
Speaker 1: the way that they're able to use imagery and messaging
Speaker 1: to convey that message. One came from a place of fear,
Speaker 1: I think, and rightfully so, but the other comes from
Speaker 1: a place of optimism. And I think that for young people,
Speaker 1: especially when you tell folks that are just entering into
Speaker 1: the workforce, that are just entering into finding their footing
Speaker 1: in a place of the power structure, right that to
Speaker 1: tell them that the opportunities have come and gone is
Speaker 1: not what's going to galvanize them.
Speaker 2: I totally agree. And it's funny because they actually a
Speaker 2: while ago wrote a piece saying that young voters really
Speaker 2: expect Democrats to go to the mat against this corrupt
Speaker 2: Supreme Court that we've been seeing. And I feel like
Speaker 2: leaders like Dick Durbin, all these folks have really dropped
Speaker 2: the ball. And it's been disappointing to watch when there's
Speaker 2: one thing about corruption after the next coming out and
Speaker 2: it's a tweet from Dick Durbin that's the response, and
Speaker 2: it's not acceptable. And now I know there's been change,
Speaker 2: and Sheldon Whitehouse and folks have really been pushing it.
Speaker 2: But Joe Biden himself has come out right and endorsed
Speaker 2: these reforms. Vice President Harris has endorsed these reforms. And
Speaker 2: I was just in DC and a bunch of focusing, well,
Speaker 2: why did they even do that? Everyone says it'll never pass,
Speaker 2: and how are we going to get a constitutional amendment?
Speaker 1: Through.
Speaker 2: First of all, I think it's just so uncreative. My
Speaker 2: con law professor in law school would always say she
Speaker 2: felt the amendment process is one of the most overlooked
Speaker 2: tools for change that we have in this country, and
Speaker 2: that people just always take it as a given that
Speaker 2: you can't get it done. And yet how many do
Speaker 2: we have, you know, so it can be done. So
Speaker 2: I think that's inspiring and it's worth taking those big
Speaker 2: swings because to your point, young people especially are coming
Speaker 2: up in a world where every institution seems to be failing.
Speaker 2: All the precedents and norms have been thrown out the window.
Speaker 2: You have a felon you know, who might be the
Speaker 2: president of the United States again. And at the same time,
Speaker 2: they're being told, well, you can't do it this way,
Speaker 2: this is not how it's done. That doesn't make any
Speaker 2: sense to anyone who's paying attention. So let's try new things.
Speaker 2: Let's get new things done, a whole bunch of new stuff.
Speaker 2: A lot of it bad has been happening over the
Speaker 2: last several years. So let's try some new good things,
Speaker 2: and that's how you get people engaged.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about where we see the Trump campaign right now.
Speaker 1: The Trump dance ticket Right now, so many folks that
Speaker 1: I know are saying that Trump has basically heaped and
Speaker 1: is now just you know, bottoming out right. That usually
Speaker 1: coming off of the convention, you have the momentum of
Speaker 1: the media, of people talking about you. But Biden took
Speaker 1: the wind out of those sales immediately the convention closed,
Speaker 1: and then boom that following Sunday he announces that he
Speaker 1: is dropping out and Kamala is coming in. Since then,
Speaker 1: we have seen video after video after video of jd
Speaker 1: vance like dehumanizing women. The misogyny knows no bounds, the
Speaker 1: hatefulness knows no bounds. We are seeing Donald Trump drop
Speaker 1: out of the debate, as we said, calling a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of names. They don't seem to have found their footing.
Speaker 1: They don't seem to know where to pivot right now.
Speaker 1: What do you make of where the Trump dance ticket
Speaker 1: is in this current moment?
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny. I was doing the live the R
Speaker 2: and Z coverage for ABC, and I remember when they
Speaker 2: announced the pick and everything. My immediate response, because that
Speaker 2: was a rough time to be a democratic commentator those
Speaker 2: weeks after the debate for Biden, I said, This was
Speaker 2: the first piece of good news democrats have gotten. And
Speaker 2: it's really born out because I knew right away. I've
Speaker 2: followed this guy for a long time since obviously Hillbilly elogy,
Speaker 2: and it was sort of this nonsense takeaway of quote
Speaker 2: unquote economic anxiety in twenty sixteen that really media used
Speaker 2: to silence discussions about sexism and racism that were really
Speaker 2: the reason a lot of people did support Trump. And
Speaker 2: I think you look at this moment, and he really
Speaker 2: is Ron Desante's two point zero even worse. Perhaps he's
Speaker 2: a ivy leaguer costplaying maga, talking about how much he
Speaker 2: loves to drink mountain dew, clapping for himself, weird stories
Speaker 2: about the couch. None of it resonates, and he certainly
Speaker 2: doesn't have the charisma and the shamelessness and the money,
Speaker 2: frankly and the decades long reputation that Trump allows him
Speaker 2: to get away with it all. Sort of That's been
Speaker 2: Trump's gift, is that, you know, people really do buy
Speaker 2: into the fact that he's an entertainer. Jade Vance is
Speaker 2: so fickle and frankly on the record, so hypocritical, and
Speaker 2: obviously really was telling the truth. A couple years ago
Speaker 2: about who Trump was and sort of called him right
Speaker 2: an opioid that these Maga folks were addicted to. And
Speaker 2: he just now has decided, well, it's his turn to
Speaker 2: get power. And you know how disgusting. I'm an Indian
Speaker 2: American and I'm very excited about the premise of Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris being our first South Asian president. But you look
Speaker 2: at Usha Vance, the wife of JD. Vance. First of all,
Speaker 2: what kind of pathetic husband came then his wife against
Speaker 2: the disgusting racist attacks from the white supremacists and the
Speaker 2: Maga movement. Well that's because that's their voting base. So
Speaker 2: he's not going to stand up for his wife's talk
Speaker 2: about being alpha. They love to say that, right, like
Speaker 2: they're the definition of what a man should be. I
Speaker 2: think a man should be able to defend his wife's
Speaker 2: race as she's being smeared and attacked by the disgusting
Speaker 2: people he hope supports him. So that's one thing. But
Speaker 2: I think the second thing is that JD. Vance is
Speaker 2: a hodgepodge of whatever Peter Thiel and Elon Musk and
Speaker 2: the sort of weird is the word. Yes, it is
Speaker 2: Ali Browse who were never probably socialized who surround themselves
Speaker 2: with yes men for forever who are weird and obviously,
Speaker 2: I mean we can just see that from from even
Speaker 2: you know, the more quote unquote progressive is one like Zuckerberg.
Speaker 2: I mean, these are odd kids, and so they have
Speaker 2: all of these personal vendettas and you know, opinions that
Speaker 2: really don't add up and don't really reflect the larger electorate.
Speaker 2: And now they've hand selected Jade Vance is Donald Trump's
Speaker 2: running me, and it's a mismatch, and of course Donald
Speaker 2: Trump has no self control, so it's becoming so apparent
Speaker 2: that he's pissed and that you know, he regrets the choice,
Speaker 2: and they're not going to have the chemistry that you
Speaker 2: do need those folks to have to run on a
Speaker 2: successful ticket and all of that so a huge disaster
Speaker 2: and mistake, and luckily the media has acknowledged it now.
Speaker 2: But my concern is that obviously media has a short
Speaker 2: attention span, and I do think an agenda. You know,
Speaker 2: I saw a pretty peace that was saying media and
Speaker 2: reporters are feeling rejuvenated and energized over the swap out
Speaker 2: of Biden for Harris. Well, first of all, that's totally inappropriate.
Speaker 2: They're supposed to report the news, not create exciting things
Speaker 2: for them to cover by interfering and pushing narratives so
Speaker 2: aggressively and strongly. But yes, Kamala is new to them.
Speaker 2: I mean she shouldn't because they should have been covering
Speaker 2: her as the important impact vil vice president she's been
Speaker 2: for the last four years. But they suddenly started paying attention.
Speaker 2: And they'll get over that, though, and they'll want to
Speaker 2: take her down and they'll want to criticize you know,
Speaker 2: I guarantee that, you know, as the campaign develops, they
Speaker 2: will find the issues that they can criticize her on,
Speaker 2: whether or not they're real or manufactured, and some of
Speaker 2: them will be legitimate. But you know, certainly my concern
Speaker 2: is that right now Kamala is going viral for all
Speaker 2: the right reasons, and Janieans is going viral for all
Speaker 2: the wrong reasons. That's a gift, but of course there's
Speaker 2: going to be ups and downs in that, and I
Speaker 2: think one of the things that the virality of Harris
Speaker 2: right now does is it creates a reset moment and
Speaker 2: a permission structure, particularly for young folks who felt ailing
Speaker 2: and needed from the process, or maybe felt like you know,
Speaker 2: the cool kids on campus had one set of political
Speaker 2: views and they should align with those. Because Harris has
Speaker 2: made politics more fun and engagement engaging, and also because
Speaker 2: they've all seen their friends and folks post on social
Speaker 2: media about it, they feel probably more empowered to be
Speaker 2: voting Democrat, to say they're voting Democrat, to show up
Speaker 2: and actually do that, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: these folks understand that their rights are on the line,
Speaker 2: that our future is on the line, and so I
Speaker 2: do think that reset and exhale moment is important no
Speaker 2: matter what happens down the road.
Speaker 1: What are you, you know, as we are making our
Speaker 1: way to convention, you are a DNC delegate, What are
Speaker 1: you excited to see? What are you hoping to see
Speaker 1: of this, you know, multi day extravaganza when we officially,
Speaker 1: you know, make Kamala Harris our Democratic nominee.
Speaker 2: I am excited to see the reality show. And I
Speaker 2: don't use that in a negative way. You know, you
Speaker 2: have the attention of the press, you have the attention
Speaker 2: of the American people. Use it, engage them, entertain them.
Speaker 2: Reflect what we just talked about, which are all the
Speaker 2: upsides of vice president Harris's candidacy, making it fun, making
Speaker 2: it engaging, make it different. I'm expecting to see, though
Speaker 2: also a real focus on the policy, but presented as
Speaker 2: we've seen through as we saw through the deepstakes. You know,
Speaker 2: I think one of the again silver linings of all
Speaker 2: of this for Democrats has been showing the deep bench
Speaker 2: that we of leadership, making those cable heads and communicating
Speaker 2: in a bunch of different ways. But you know, I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people sort of typecast how Democrats message,
Speaker 2: and it's really not true when you go look at
Speaker 2: all these governors that we're speaking out about what the
Speaker 2: party's done and what they stand for, and how do
Speaker 2: we do represent the working class and the middle class
Speaker 2: and what the deliverables have been economically in an engaging way,
Speaker 2: in an honest, regular way. It's not like all these folks,
Speaker 2: you know, have been over consulted in our spewing talking points.
Speaker 2: They're speaking from the heart and it's resonating. So keep
Speaker 2: doing that, but also show the diversity and the excitement
Speaker 2: and the energy that to your point, right, Democrats do
Speaker 2: have the culture on our side, as we always have,
Speaker 2: but particularly in this moment, all they have is a
Speaker 2: bunch of random wrestlers and kid rock at the RNC.
Speaker 1: Right, go forget Paul Kulgan right.
Speaker 2: Exactly, random wife beaters basically, or alleged wife beaters, right,
Speaker 2: anyone who would be willing to show up. That's who
Speaker 2: they had. We have every major person that has contributed
Speaker 2: to American culture over the last several decades supporting this ticket.
Speaker 2: So use that effectively. And you know, we don't need
Speaker 2: to see or hear from George Clotie. How about somebody younger,
Speaker 2: somebody exciting. So I think definitely that what I'm looking
Speaker 2: to not see, honestly is I do think the opportunity
Speaker 2: with young voters for this campaign is now a different opportunity.
Speaker 2: And no shade to anyone doing the organizing work for Biden,
Speaker 2: but I do feel like the youth support that was
Speaker 2: touted and spoken about, and I know the campaign was
Speaker 2: really engaged on sort of did feel a little top down,
Speaker 2: and it did feel a little like sort of the
Speaker 2: nerds from like model un in high school understanding that
Speaker 2: Democrats needed youth voices and youth support and so they
Speaker 2: could be the one on CNN or the one writing
Speaker 2: the op ed or going viral on Twitter among a
Speaker 2: bunch of six year olds who wish that young voters
Speaker 2: thought that way, and that's not to be knocked and
Speaker 2: it does have an impact, and good for those people.
Speaker 2: I think they believe what they're saying. But the reality
Speaker 2: is they didn't represent the energy or the voice of
Speaker 2: gen Z accurately. That's not true and the poll showed
Speaker 2: that and everybody knows that. So when you look and
Speaker 2: you see the excitement at the Georgia reality, when you
Speaker 2: look at the means online and TikTok, it really is
Speaker 2: much more grassroots, much more genuine and real. It's not
Speaker 2: folks thinking, oh, if I make this thing go viral,
Speaker 2: maybe a producer will reach out to me and I'll
Speaker 2: get to do a hit, or maybe I'll get a
Speaker 2: job with some campaign. It's just like, oh, my friends
Speaker 2: are now excited about this new thing happened the news.
Speaker 2: It is a cultural moment and I want to be
Speaker 2: part of it. And so I would suggest tapping much
Speaker 2: more into that energy. And then you know, having David Hogg,
Speaker 2: who again maybe he should speak, but he can't be
Speaker 2: the only young speaker and only young voice for gen Z. Again,
Speaker 2: not a knock on him. He's done great work. He's
Speaker 2: been a great leader. I just think a lot of
Speaker 2: folks who haven't felt represented so far that are now
Speaker 2: engaged in this process are not going to respond to
Speaker 2: what feels like more of an institutionalist voice now at
Speaker 2: this point, despite being young. So how do they tap
Speaker 2: into that? It's very easy. There's all sorts of voices
Speaker 2: and Christ there's.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think that there is a range
Speaker 1: of talent, there's a range of perspective. I think that
Speaker 1: what we are seeing, you know, just again to harken
Speaker 1: back to the Atlanta rally, which is where we really
Speaker 1: got to see, you know, who is coming out behind Kamala,
Speaker 1: I think that there are lots of different voices, different perspectives.
Speaker 1: You know, you had the you know Kamala you know
Speaker 1: is bread like you have all of these things you
Speaker 1: know that are coming up. And so I'm excited because
Speaker 1: I feel like in some ways that this shift has
Speaker 1: kind of taken the shackles off of the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: and there is really a torch passing that has happened.
Speaker 1: And I think that if we can continue to galvanize
Speaker 1: that energy and continue with all of these amazing calls
Speaker 1: that are raising millions and millions of dollars and engaging
Speaker 1: people in every corner you know, of the demographics that
Speaker 1: we need to hit that we will win. And you know,
Speaker 1: I hope Kivon, that we get to talk to you
Speaker 1: again when either when you're at convention or right when
Speaker 1: you return, because I think it would be really great
Speaker 1: to hear from you again.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yes, for sure, tell people how they can follow you.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I'm Kivon frout hey AI V A N
Speaker 2: s h R O F F on all socials though
Speaker 2: you can catch me on there, and I'm you know,
Speaker 2: every week on ABC Live so you can catch my
Speaker 2: commentary there as well.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Thank you. That is it for me today, dear
Speaker 1: friends on woke f as always, Power to the people
Speaker 1: and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay
Speaker 1: woke as fuck.