WEBVTT - A Place of Optimism 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.880 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with Meet 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:19.680 your Girl Daniel Moody recording re recording from the home bunker, Folks. 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:21.880 I'm taking a little bit of a respite as we 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:26.200 gear up for the DNC, but as always, I leave 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.360 you with really good episodes and conversations to dig into 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:35.440 while I'm gone up. Next, this week, we have our friend, 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:42.000 Democratic contributor and DNC delegate Kaivon Schroff, who is here 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.560 to talk to us about the VP's momentum, about where 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:52.000 we see this campaign going, the pivots and pitfalls of 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:56.080 the Trump dvance ticket, and you know where we think 0:00:56.120 --> 0:01:00.080 we're headed in less than one hundred days? Are we 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.920 about to save democracy? The a meme? Can we gather 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.920 and keep people interested with less than one hundred days 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.520 to go? Kayvon and I get into this and more 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:18.399 on the next episode, Folks. I am so happy to 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:23.600 welcome back to OKF Daily friend of the show Kivian Schroff, 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:29.400 who is a Democratic contributor and a DNC delegate and 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.839 the person that I go to whose tiktoks go off 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.840 the charts when you are covering anything that has to 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.520 do with politics and where we are since I last 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.800 saw you, since we last spoke, there has been a 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:48.320 seismic shift in this election cycle, with Joe Biden stepping aside, 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.920 VP Kamala Harris stepping in. I want to get your 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.680 thoughts on, just like, how are you feeling? We are 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.200 you know, less than one hundred days until the election, 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.360 How are you feeling about the vibe shift? 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.080 You know? I got to say, I am feeling excited 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.639 by all the new people that seem engaged and the 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.560 texts I've been getting from friends who don't pay a 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.880 lot of attention to politics. At the same time, I 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.600 am deeply skeptical, and I think that this is going 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.320 to be a really hard fight and people are kind 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.160 of taking their eye off the ball a little bit. 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.639 I don't think Vice President Harris or the campaign are 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.240 taking that approach, but I think certainly the people I'm 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.440 seeing respond to this news don't necessarily know what's about 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:34.440 to come, So I think we all have to be 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.639 all hands on deck for this. You know, a lot 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.560 of my friends are like, oh, Kaivon, aren't you so 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.440 excited by this new you know premise? And I think 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.400 there's a lot of reason folks, myself included, really did 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.080 feel that Biden had a strong chance, or as strong 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.560 a chance as anyone for the last several years, to 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.760 win this election because there's a lot of structural barriers 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:55.800 in this country that don't change overnight. 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.200 You know, I think that that's right, and I think 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.000 it's important for us to realize. And you know, look, 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:05.400 the Vice President said it recently at the sizeable rally 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.240 that she had in Atlanta, Georgia, And we'll get to 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.440 that in a moment, but she said, look, I'm excited, 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.240 you're excited, but the road ahead is going to be 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.120 a hard one. We are the underdogs. So talk to 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:21.000 me about you know, the difference in terms of how 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:26.600 the Harris campaign is kind of seeing themselves in this 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.520 moment with less than one hundred days to go, and 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.120 maybe how some folks in your orbit are kind of 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:34.120 seeing this moment. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.440 Well, I think the Harris campaign, I mean, just the 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.960 incredibly impressive pivot we saw from Biden being at the 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:42.760 top of the ticket to her being at the top 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.600 of the ticket has been extraordinary. And I think, you know, 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.520 people will talk about this throughout history no matter the outcome. 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.080 But I think the people I'm seeing in my orbit, 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.320 and this is really going to be a one for 0:03:54.480 --> 0:04:00.520 one sort of situation where certainly some people are about 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:05.000 Harris's candidacy. You know, I'm hearing from classmates who really 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.160 felt tired of the Biden Trump dynamic, felt like they 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.640 weren't represented, felt like it was two old white guys, 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.320 and it didn't resonate. And I think one of the 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.400 most exciting things I'm seeing from folks now, especially in 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:20.800 the digital space, is just that energy coming back and 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:25.480 the hope. And I think really the difference is that politics, 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.200 as you know, has been digital for quite some time, 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.480 and I think strategically the Biden campaign knew that, and 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.520 they've elevated former digital folks to senior leadership in the campaign. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.600 All of that already happened. But the reality is Joe 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.239 Biden was still, you know, an eighty year old dude. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:45.440 And I think that Vice President Harris just lends herself 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:49.440 to the digital moment much more easily, and I think, 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.800 you know, much more easily than Donald Trump too, So 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.720 it's a huge advantage. And of course she's always had 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.240 that prosecutor skill set where I think a lot of 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.640 voters were introduced to her for the first time when 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.320 she was going viral at those state hearings, going after 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.560 Brett Kavanaugh, calling out you know, Bill Barr. So this 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.880 is really her wheelhouse, and it happens to be a 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.719 perfect fit for the realities of campaigning and social media 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:13.800 and our information ecosystems today. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.680 I think that that's right. I think that, you know, 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:23.200 the digital nature of her campaign, the memeable nature of 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.680 this campaign is what is driving excitement. Now, there are 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.599 some folks right older generations like myself, who will say 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.880 things like, well, that doesn't equal you know, the excitement 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:38.280 and the memes don't equal votes and consistent engagement that 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.920 we need to carry us, you know, the next ninety 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:46.080 some odd days until the election. But yet I don't 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:51.840 think that people understand that the virality that social media 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:56.480 has and how we can gin up support is something 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.480 that is important that, like you said, the Biden campaign 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.080 didn't have. Now, while I didn't want I was one 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.120 of the people that didn't want Biden to step aside 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.919 if in fact we were going to have a chaotic 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.080 open primary. I just thought it was going to be 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.560 a disaster that didn't happen. But I think that there 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:17.040 is something to show the youthfulness and the freshness of 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.800 this campaign versus what we've seen in the past. I mean, 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.920 I'm old enough to remember Barack Obama being the first 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.640 to come out and kind of show this connection between 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:32.039 politics and culture, which I think is necessary in order 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.480 to connect people to the moment that we're in. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.359 Absolutely, and I know you mentioned that Georgia rally, and 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.760 I think that's exactly what the campaign is doing and 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.599 they really understand that. So to take that energy and 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.919 excitement and the youth engagement that is happening online and 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.919 then have exciting people like Meg the Stallion, you know, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.160 not only show their talent and their cultural relevance, but 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.320 connect it to the actual issues on the table, like 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.560 obviously she spoke about reproductive rights and autonomy over your 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.320 own boss, and obviously she has that song Body, you know, 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.000 like that's that's a great moment. So I think finding 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.960 ways to make those touch points and understanding and obviously 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.840 this campaign is sophisticated and they do understand this. It's 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:15.760 just about executing it. Is that the excitement, the means. 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.520 The internet's a touch point, it's an access point, but 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.600 how do you actually get those people to then go 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.920 volunteer to do something offline, to donate, to show up 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.840 and vote. And I think they've already done some things, 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.160 like I know they've launched a youth the newsletter to 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:33.400 keep people engaged and updated on the actual policy commitments 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.080 and accomplishments of both the Biden Harris administration, but also 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.360 what a Harris administration would look like. So those are 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.320 the important ways to keep people engaged and make sure 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.600 to manage that community in an actually effective way. 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.800 Yeah, so let's dig into what we saw. You know, 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.280 at the time of this recording, we're coming off of 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.440 the heels of the Georgia rally, right, we're coming off 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.560 of the heels of the call out that the Vice 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.800 president did directly to Donald Trump for now his I 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.360 loved it. I thought it was a moment when she's 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:05.840 just like, you know, you have something to say, say 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.160 it to my face because they're flapping their gums all 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.120 over the place. But you saw, like you said, Meg 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.760 the Stalin, we saw Quevo, We see you know, politicians, 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.120 we see the viral moment of the head of the 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:21.920 Young Democrats dancing to not like us, right, Like, there 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.840 are moments that we see long lines that were formed, 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.480 you know, across a highway of people trying to get 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.400 into the event. And so when you see these things, 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.840 what is it conjure for you? And what do you 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:40.320 think it is doing to help write us understand like 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.079 the importance and the impact of this moment and really 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:44.120 what we're fighting for. 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.160 Well, I think that Kamla Harris has been underestimated for 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.120 her tenure as vice president and one of the sort 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.320 of blessings I would say, and there's a lot to 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.320 be said about I think some really unproductive, unhelpful voices 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.600 trying to you know, run with and I told you so, 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.000 as if they had predicted that Trump would be shot 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.880 at and Biden would get COVID and five million things 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:06.800 that nobody could predicted that have led us to this 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.280 moment have happened. And it's just I think the reality 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.360 is that that did lead those voices, though those same 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:17.240 unhelpful voices, the never Trumpers, the podcast grows that you know, 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.720 a year ago, if you go look at July of 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.320 twenty twenty three, the media class was calling for Joe 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.720 Biden to replace Vice President Harris on the ticket. If 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.400 you remember, I know memories can be short, but that 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.360 was very much the take. And now you look a 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.120 year later, and suddenly, because they wanted to undermine Joe Biden, frankly, 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.760 all those never trumpers, all those people that were underestimating 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.280 her were forced to actually acknowledge that actually, she would 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.360 be a great candidate, and she is a great candidate, 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.760 and she does have the background and she is ready 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.480 on day one. So that's been a huge shift in 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.920 the narrative around Vice President Harris. And then you look 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:57.079 at just who she is, not only on a symbolic level, 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.839 the history making potential of all of this, but the 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.560 reality that that has been her whole life and the 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.400 power of that, and how she has definitely handled that, 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.200 and how the last few weeks have shown just how 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.920 ready for this moment she is and nobody can take 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.040 that away from her. And I think that when you 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:16.840 see those lines and you see the excitement for those rallies, 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.920 she is reinventing what politics means to people, just like 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.520 Obama did. To your point, it's something my generation, I think, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.240 I'm a very very end of millennials missed. We weren't 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.839 part of that moment, so even folks my age are 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.760 having that moment. I'm thirty now, but certainly gen Z 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.400 is having that moment, that opportunity to be part of 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.720 something bigger and not feel like nothing can be done 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.120 and nothing can be changed and we're trapped and limited. 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:42.680 So it's an exciting time. 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.360 I think that it's really important this idea of what 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.439 you just said of feeling hopeful instead of trapped and limited, 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.240 because I think that you know, while again respected what 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.720 Biden was doing with trying to save the soul of 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.800 the nation and the rhetoric that he was using it 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:04.360 was incredibly heavy, there are multiple ways that we can 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.960 talk about democracy, that we can talk about freedom, and 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.720 you can see that just even the usage of Beyonce's 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.840 Freedom as her campaign song, right and that first video 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.880 that went out, you still see the importance of what 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.840 we're talking about of family, of the economy, of community, 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:25.319 of connectedness, of racial diversity, of all of the values 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.520 that we have that Biden and how A share, but 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.839 the way that they're able to use imagery and messaging 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.600 to convey that message. One came from a place of fear, 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.240 I think, and rightfully so, but the other comes from 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.920 a place of optimism. And I think that for young people, 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.680 especially when you tell folks that are just entering into 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:49.400 the workforce, that are just entering into finding their footing 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.520 in a place of the power structure, right that to 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.040 tell them that the opportunities have come and gone is 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:57.960 not what's going to galvanize them. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.400 I totally agree. And it's funny because they actually a 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.800 while ago wrote a piece saying that young voters really 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.520 expect Democrats to go to the mat against this corrupt 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.440 Supreme Court that we've been seeing. And I feel like 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.800 leaders like Dick Durbin, all these folks have really dropped 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.640 the ball. And it's been disappointing to watch when there's 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.400 one thing about corruption after the next coming out and 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.720 it's a tweet from Dick Durbin that's the response, and 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.800 it's not acceptable. And now I know there's been change, 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.200 and Sheldon Whitehouse and folks have really been pushing it. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.120 But Joe Biden himself has come out right and endorsed 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.520 these reforms. Vice President Harris has endorsed these reforms. And 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.480 I was just in DC and a bunch of focusing, well, 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.199 why did they even do that? Everyone says it'll never pass, 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.480 and how are we going to get a constitutional amendment? 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:40.800 Through. 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.360 First of all, I think it's just so uncreative. My 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.880 con law professor in law school would always say she 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.160 felt the amendment process is one of the most overlooked 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.320 tools for change that we have in this country, and 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.439 that people just always take it as a given that 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.320 you can't get it done. And yet how many do 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.320 we have, you know, so it can be done. So 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.520 I think that's inspiring and it's worth taking those big 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:04.560 swings because to your point, young people especially are coming 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.560 up in a world where every institution seems to be failing. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.400 All the precedents and norms have been thrown out the window. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.600 You have a felon you know, who might be the 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.800 president of the United States again. And at the same time, 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.080 they're being told, well, you can't do it this way, 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:19.880 this is not how it's done. That doesn't make any 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.959 sense to anyone who's paying attention. So let's try new things. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.240 Let's get new things done, a whole bunch of new stuff. 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.439 A lot of it bad has been happening over the 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.280 last several years. So let's try some new good things, 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.000 and that's how you get people engaged. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:37.040 Let's talk about where we see the Trump campaign right now. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.960 The Trump dance ticket Right now, so many folks that 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:47.280 I know are saying that Trump has basically heaped and 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:52.079 is now just you know, bottoming out right. That usually 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.600 coming off of the convention, you have the momentum of 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:59.840 the media, of people talking about you. But Biden took 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.720 the wind out of those sales immediately the convention closed, 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.840 and then boom that following Sunday he announces that he 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.360 is dropping out and Kamala is coming in. Since then, 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:16.640 we have seen video after video after video of jd 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:23.520 vance like dehumanizing women. The misogyny knows no bounds, the 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:28.400 hatefulness knows no bounds. We are seeing Donald Trump drop 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.080 out of the debate, as we said, calling a whole 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:34.320 bunch of names. They don't seem to have found their footing. 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.120 They don't seem to know where to pivot right now. 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.840 What do you make of where the Trump dance ticket 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.120 is in this current moment? 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.920 Well, it's funny. I was doing the live the R 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.000 and Z coverage for ABC, and I remember when they 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.680 announced the pick and everything. My immediate response, because that 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.080 was a rough time to be a democratic commentator those 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.560 weeks after the debate for Biden, I said, This was 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:01.080 the first piece of good news democrats have gotten. And 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.680 it's really born out because I knew right away. I've 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.400 followed this guy for a long time since obviously Hillbilly elogy, 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.880 and it was sort of this nonsense takeaway of quote 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:13.400 unquote economic anxiety in twenty sixteen that really media used 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.720 to silence discussions about sexism and racism that were really 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.120 the reason a lot of people did support Trump. And 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.280 I think you look at this moment, and he really 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.760 is Ron Desante's two point zero even worse. Perhaps he's 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.640 a ivy leaguer costplaying maga, talking about how much he 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.280 loves to drink mountain dew, clapping for himself, weird stories 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.880 about the couch. None of it resonates, and he certainly 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.480 doesn't have the charisma and the shamelessness and the money, 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:43.320 frankly and the decades long reputation that Trump allows him 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.320 to get away with it all. Sort of That's been 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.320 Trump's gift, is that, you know, people really do buy 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.520 into the fact that he's an entertainer. Jade Vance is 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.320 so fickle and frankly on the record, so hypocritical, and 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.720 obviously really was telling the truth. A couple years ago 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.720 about who Trump was and sort of called him right 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.520 an opioid that these Maga folks were addicted to. And 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.040 he just now has decided, well, it's his turn to 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.720 get power. And you know how disgusting. I'm an Indian 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.200 American and I'm very excited about the premise of Kamala 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:16.200 Harris being our first South Asian president. But you look 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.120 at Usha Vance, the wife of JD. Vance. First of all, 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:24.120 what kind of pathetic husband came then his wife against 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:28.000 the disgusting racist attacks from the white supremacists and the 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.920 Maga movement. Well that's because that's their voting base. So 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:32.920 he's not going to stand up for his wife's talk 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.040 about being alpha. They love to say that, right, like 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.600 they're the definition of what a man should be. I 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.040 think a man should be able to defend his wife's 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.880 race as she's being smeared and attacked by the disgusting 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.520 people he hope supports him. So that's one thing. But 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:50.680 I think the second thing is that JD. Vance is 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.720 a hodgepodge of whatever Peter Thiel and Elon Musk and 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.880 the sort of weird is the word. Yes, it is 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:02.120 Ali Browse who were never probably socialized who surround themselves 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.679 with yes men for forever who are weird and obviously, 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.720 I mean we can just see that from from even 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.720 you know, the more quote unquote progressive is one like Zuckerberg. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.000 I mean, these are odd kids, and so they have 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.600 all of these personal vendettas and you know, opinions that 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.879 really don't add up and don't really reflect the larger electorate. 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.919 And now they've hand selected Jade Vance is Donald Trump's 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.000 running me, and it's a mismatch, and of course Donald 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.160 Trump has no self control, so it's becoming so apparent 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.800 that he's pissed and that you know, he regrets the choice, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.320 and they're not going to have the chemistry that you 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.320 do need those folks to have to run on a 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.640 successful ticket and all of that so a huge disaster 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.600 and mistake, and luckily the media has acknowledged it now. 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:48.320 But my concern is that obviously media has a short 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.359 attention span, and I do think an agenda. You know, 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.520 I saw a pretty peace that was saying media and 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.680 reporters are feeling rejuvenated and energized over the swap out 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.120 of Biden for Harris. Well, first of all, that's totally inappropriate. 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.000 They're supposed to report the news, not create exciting things 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.240 for them to cover by interfering and pushing narratives so 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.600 aggressively and strongly. But yes, Kamala is new to them. 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:12.680 I mean she shouldn't because they should have been covering 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.200 her as the important impact vil vice president she's been 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.719 for the last four years. But they suddenly started paying attention. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.520 And they'll get over that, though, and they'll want to 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.480 take her down and they'll want to criticize you know, 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.959 I guarantee that, you know, as the campaign develops, they 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.760 will find the issues that they can criticize her on, 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.320 whether or not they're real or manufactured, and some of 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.280 them will be legitimate. But you know, certainly my concern 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.480 is that right now Kamala is going viral for all 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.240 the right reasons, and Janieans is going viral for all 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.640 the wrong reasons. That's a gift, but of course there's 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:47.800 going to be ups and downs in that, and I 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:51.719 think one of the things that the virality of Harris 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.280 right now does is it creates a reset moment and 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:59.879 a permission structure, particularly for young folks who felt ailing 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.960 and needed from the process, or maybe felt like you know, 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.760 the cool kids on campus had one set of political 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.919 views and they should align with those. Because Harris has 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:13.080 made politics more fun and engagement engaging, and also because 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.280 they've all seen their friends and folks post on social 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.919 media about it, they feel probably more empowered to be 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.280 voting Democrat, to say they're voting Democrat, to show up 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.320 and actually do that, because at the end of the day, 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.920 these folks understand that their rights are on the line, 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.639 that our future is on the line, and so I 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.199 do think that reset and exhale moment is important no 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.920 matter what happens down the road. 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.520 What are you, you know, as we are making our 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:44.760 way to convention, you are a DNC delegate, What are 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.639 you excited to see? What are you hoping to see 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:53.480 of this, you know, multi day extravaganza when we officially, 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.760 you know, make Kamala Harris our Democratic nominee. 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:02.439 I am excited to see the reality show. And I 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.119 don't use that in a negative way. You know, you 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.000 have the attention of the press, you have the attention 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:12.320 of the American people. Use it, engage them, entertain them. 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.639 Reflect what we just talked about, which are all the 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:18.679 upsides of vice president Harris's candidacy, making it fun, making 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:22.040 it engaging, make it different. I'm expecting to see, though 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.960 also a real focus on the policy, but presented as 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.720 we've seen through as we saw through the deepstakes. You know, 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.679 I think one of the again silver linings of all 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.520 of this for Democrats has been showing the deep bench 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.879 that we of leadership, making those cable heads and communicating 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.159 in a bunch of different ways. But you know, I 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:45.200 think a lot of people sort of typecast how Democrats message, 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.000 and it's really not true when you go look at 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.439 all these governors that we're speaking out about what the 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:51.000 party's done and what they stand for, and how do 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.320 we do represent the working class and the middle class 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:58.360 and what the deliverables have been economically in an engaging way, 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.680 in an honest, regular way. It's not like all these folks, 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.520 you know, have been over consulted in our spewing talking points. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.320 They're speaking from the heart and it's resonating. So keep 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.440 doing that, but also show the diversity and the excitement 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.679 and the energy that to your point, right, Democrats do 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.399 have the culture on our side, as we always have, 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:20.320 but particularly in this moment, all they have is a 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:23.280 bunch of random wrestlers and kid rock at the RNC. 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:25.800 Right, go forget Paul Kulgan right. 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:29.600 Exactly, random wife beaters basically, or alleged wife beaters, right, 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:31.760 anyone who would be willing to show up. That's who 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.280 they had. We have every major person that has contributed 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:39.240 to American culture over the last several decades supporting this ticket. 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:41.760 So use that effectively. And you know, we don't need 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.600 to see or hear from George Clotie. How about somebody younger, 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.920