1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with Meet 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: your Girl Daniel Moody recording re recording from the home bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm taking a little bit of a respite as we 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: gear up for the DNC, but as always, I leave 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: you with really good episodes and conversations to dig into 6 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: while I'm gone up. Next, this week, we have our friend, 7 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: Democratic contributor and DNC delegate Kaivon Schroff, who is here 8 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: to talk to us about the VP's momentum, about where 9 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: we see this campaign going, the pivots and pitfalls of 10 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: the Trump dvance ticket, and you know where we think 11 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: we're headed in less than one hundred days? Are we 12 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: about to save democracy? The a meme? Can we gather 13 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: and keep people interested with less than one hundred days 14 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: to go? Kayvon and I get into this and more 15 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: on the next episode, Folks. I am so happy to 16 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: welcome back to OKF Daily friend of the show Kivian Schroff, 17 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: who is a Democratic contributor and a DNC delegate and 18 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: the person that I go to whose tiktoks go off 19 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: the charts when you are covering anything that has to 20 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: do with politics and where we are since I last 21 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: saw you, since we last spoke, there has been a 22 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: seismic shift in this election cycle, with Joe Biden stepping aside, 23 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: VP Kamala Harris stepping in. I want to get your 24 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: thoughts on, just like, how are you feeling? We are 25 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, less than one hundred days until the election, 26 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: How are you feeling about the vibe shift? 27 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: You know? I got to say, I am feeling excited 28 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 2: by all the new people that seem engaged and the 29 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: texts I've been getting from friends who don't pay a 30 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: lot of attention to politics. At the same time, I 31 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: am deeply skeptical, and I think that this is going 32 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: to be a really hard fight and people are kind 33 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: of taking their eye off the ball a little bit. 34 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: I don't think Vice President Harris or the campaign are 35 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: taking that approach, but I think certainly the people I'm 36 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: seeing respond to this news don't necessarily know what's about 37 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: to come, So I think we all have to be 38 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 2: all hands on deck for this. You know, a lot 39 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: of my friends are like, oh, Kaivon, aren't you so 40 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: excited by this new you know premise? And I think 41 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: there's a lot of reason folks, myself included, really did 42 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: feel that Biden had a strong chance, or as strong 43 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: a chance as anyone for the last several years, to 44 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: win this election because there's a lot of structural barriers 45 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: in this country that don't change overnight. 46 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: You know, I think that that's right, and I think 47 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: it's important for us to realize. And you know, look, 48 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: the Vice President said it recently at the sizeable rally 49 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: that she had in Atlanta, Georgia, And we'll get to 50 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: that in a moment, but she said, look, I'm excited, 51 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: you're excited, but the road ahead is going to be 52 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: a hard one. We are the underdogs. So talk to 53 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: me about you know, the difference in terms of how 54 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: the Harris campaign is kind of seeing themselves in this 55 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: moment with less than one hundred days to go, and 56 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: maybe how some folks in your orbit are kind of 57 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: seeing this moment. 58 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think the Harris campaign, I mean, just the 59 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: incredibly impressive pivot we saw from Biden being at the 60 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: top of the ticket to her being at the top 61 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: of the ticket has been extraordinary. And I think, you know, 62 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: people will talk about this throughout history no matter the outcome. 63 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: But I think the people I'm seeing in my orbit, 64 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: and this is really going to be a one for 65 00:03:54,480 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: one sort of situation where certainly some people are about 66 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: Harris's candidacy. You know, I'm hearing from classmates who really 67 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: felt tired of the Biden Trump dynamic, felt like they 68 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: weren't represented, felt like it was two old white guys, 69 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: and it didn't resonate. And I think one of the 70 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: most exciting things I'm seeing from folks now, especially in 71 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: the digital space, is just that energy coming back and 72 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: the hope. And I think really the difference is that politics, 73 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: as you know, has been digital for quite some time, 74 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: and I think strategically the Biden campaign knew that, and 75 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: they've elevated former digital folks to senior leadership in the campaign. 76 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: All of that already happened. But the reality is Joe 77 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 2: Biden was still, you know, an eighty year old dude. 78 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: And I think that Vice President Harris just lends herself 79 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: to the digital moment much more easily, and I think, 80 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: you know, much more easily than Donald Trump too, So 81 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: it's a huge advantage. And of course she's always had 82 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: that prosecutor skill set where I think a lot of 83 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: voters were introduced to her for the first time when 84 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: she was going viral at those state hearings, going after 85 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: Brett Kavanaugh, calling out you know, Bill Barr. So this 86 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: is really her wheelhouse, and it happens to be a 87 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: perfect fit for the realities of campaigning and social media 88 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: and our information ecosystems today. 89 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: I think that that's right. I think that, you know, 90 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: the digital nature of her campaign, the memeable nature of 91 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: this campaign is what is driving excitement. Now, there are 92 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: some folks right older generations like myself, who will say 93 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: things like, well, that doesn't equal you know, the excitement 94 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: and the memes don't equal votes and consistent engagement that 95 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: we need to carry us, you know, the next ninety 96 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: some odd days until the election. But yet I don't 97 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: think that people understand that the virality that social media 98 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: has and how we can gin up support is something 99 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: that is important that, like you said, the Biden campaign 100 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: didn't have. Now, while I didn't want I was one 101 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: of the people that didn't want Biden to step aside 102 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: if in fact we were going to have a chaotic 103 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: open primary. I just thought it was going to be 104 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: a disaster that didn't happen. But I think that there 105 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: is something to show the youthfulness and the freshness of 106 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: this campaign versus what we've seen in the past. I mean, 107 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember Barack Obama being the first 108 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: to come out and kind of show this connection between 109 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: politics and culture, which I think is necessary in order 110 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: to connect people to the moment that we're in. 111 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I know you mentioned that Georgia rally, and 112 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what the campaign is doing and 113 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 2: they really understand that. So to take that energy and 114 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 2: excitement and the youth engagement that is happening online and 115 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 2: then have exciting people like Meg the Stallion, you know, 116 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: not only show their talent and their cultural relevance, but 117 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: connect it to the actual issues on the table, like 118 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: obviously she spoke about reproductive rights and autonomy over your 119 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: own boss, and obviously she has that song Body, you know, 120 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: like that's that's a great moment. So I think finding 121 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: ways to make those touch points and understanding and obviously 122 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: this campaign is sophisticated and they do understand this. It's 123 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: just about executing it. Is that the excitement, the means. 124 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: The internet's a touch point, it's an access point, but 125 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: how do you actually get those people to then go 126 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: volunteer to do something offline, to donate, to show up 127 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: and vote. And I think they've already done some things, 128 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: like I know they've launched a youth the newsletter to 129 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: keep people engaged and updated on the actual policy commitments 130 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: and accomplishments of both the Biden Harris administration, but also 131 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: what a Harris administration would look like. So those are 132 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: the important ways to keep people engaged and make sure 133 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: to manage that community in an actually effective way. 134 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's dig into what we saw. You know, 135 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: at the time of this recording, we're coming off of 136 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: the heels of the Georgia rally, right, we're coming off 137 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: of the heels of the call out that the Vice 138 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: president did directly to Donald Trump for now his I 139 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: loved it. I thought it was a moment when she's 140 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: just like, you know, you have something to say, say 141 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: it to my face because they're flapping their gums all 142 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: over the place. But you saw, like you said, Meg 143 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: the Stalin, we saw Quevo, We see you know, politicians, 144 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: we see the viral moment of the head of the 145 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: Young Democrats dancing to not like us, right, Like, there 146 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: are moments that we see long lines that were formed, 147 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, across a highway of people trying to get 148 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: into the event. And so when you see these things, 149 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: what is it conjure for you? And what do you 150 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: think it is doing to help write us understand like 151 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: the importance and the impact of this moment and really 152 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: what we're fighting for. 153 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: Well, I think that Kamla Harris has been underestimated for 154 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: her tenure as vice president and one of the sort 155 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: of blessings I would say, and there's a lot to 156 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: be said about I think some really unproductive, unhelpful voices 157 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: trying to you know, run with and I told you so, 158 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: as if they had predicted that Trump would be shot 159 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: at and Biden would get COVID and five million things 160 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: that nobody could predicted that have led us to this 161 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: moment have happened. And it's just I think the reality 162 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: is that that did lead those voices, though those same 163 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: unhelpful voices, the never Trumpers, the podcast grows that you know, 164 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: a year ago, if you go look at July of 165 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, the media class was calling for Joe 166 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: Biden to replace Vice President Harris on the ticket. If 167 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: you remember, I know memories can be short, but that 168 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: was very much the take. And now you look a 169 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: year later, and suddenly, because they wanted to undermine Joe Biden, frankly, 170 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: all those never trumpers, all those people that were underestimating 171 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: her were forced to actually acknowledge that actually, she would 172 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: be a great candidate, and she is a great candidate, 173 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: and she does have the background and she is ready 174 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: on day one. So that's been a huge shift in 175 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: the narrative around Vice President Harris. And then you look 176 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 2: at just who she is, not only on a symbolic level, 177 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 2: the history making potential of all of this, but the 178 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: reality that that has been her whole life and the 179 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: power of that, and how she has definitely handled that, 180 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: and how the last few weeks have shown just how 181 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: ready for this moment she is and nobody can take 182 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: that away from her. And I think that when you 183 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: see those lines and you see the excitement for those rallies, 184 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: she is reinventing what politics means to people, just like 185 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: Obama did. To your point, it's something my generation, I think, 186 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: I'm a very very end of millennials missed. We weren't 187 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 2: part of that moment, so even folks my age are 188 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: having that moment. I'm thirty now, but certainly gen Z 189 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: is having that moment, that opportunity to be part of 190 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: something bigger and not feel like nothing can be done 191 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: and nothing can be changed and we're trapped and limited. 192 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: So it's an exciting time. 193 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: I think that it's really important this idea of what 194 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: you just said of feeling hopeful instead of trapped and limited, 195 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: because I think that you know, while again respected what 196 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: Biden was doing with trying to save the soul of 197 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: the nation and the rhetoric that he was using it 198 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: was incredibly heavy, there are multiple ways that we can 199 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: talk about democracy, that we can talk about freedom, and 200 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: you can see that just even the usage of Beyonce's 201 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: Freedom as her campaign song, right and that first video 202 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: that went out, you still see the importance of what 203 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: we're talking about of family, of the economy, of community, 204 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: of connectedness, of racial diversity, of all of the values 205 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: that we have that Biden and how A share, but 206 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 1: the way that they're able to use imagery and messaging 207 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: to convey that message. One came from a place of fear, 208 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: I think, and rightfully so, but the other comes from 209 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: a place of optimism. And I think that for young people, 210 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: especially when you tell folks that are just entering into 211 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: the workforce, that are just entering into finding their footing 212 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: in a place of the power structure, right that to 213 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: tell them that the opportunities have come and gone is 214 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: not what's going to galvanize them. 215 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: I totally agree. And it's funny because they actually a 216 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: while ago wrote a piece saying that young voters really 217 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: expect Democrats to go to the mat against this corrupt 218 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: Supreme Court that we've been seeing. And I feel like 219 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: leaders like Dick Durbin, all these folks have really dropped 220 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: the ball. And it's been disappointing to watch when there's 221 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: one thing about corruption after the next coming out and 222 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: it's a tweet from Dick Durbin that's the response, and 223 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: it's not acceptable. And now I know there's been change, 224 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 2: and Sheldon Whitehouse and folks have really been pushing it. 225 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: But Joe Biden himself has come out right and endorsed 226 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: these reforms. Vice President Harris has endorsed these reforms. And 227 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: I was just in DC and a bunch of focusing, well, 228 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 2: why did they even do that? Everyone says it'll never pass, 229 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: and how are we going to get a constitutional amendment? 230 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: Through. 231 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: First of all, I think it's just so uncreative. My 232 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: con law professor in law school would always say she 233 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: felt the amendment process is one of the most overlooked 234 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: tools for change that we have in this country, and 235 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 2: that people just always take it as a given that 236 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 2: you can't get it done. And yet how many do 237 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: we have, you know, so it can be done. So 238 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: I think that's inspiring and it's worth taking those big 239 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 2: swings because to your point, young people especially are coming 240 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 2: up in a world where every institution seems to be failing. 241 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: All the precedents and norms have been thrown out the window. 242 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: You have a felon you know, who might be the 243 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: president of the United States again. And at the same time, 244 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: they're being told, well, you can't do it this way, 245 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: this is not how it's done. That doesn't make any 246 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 2: sense to anyone who's paying attention. So let's try new things. 247 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: Let's get new things done, a whole bunch of new stuff. 248 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 2: A lot of it bad has been happening over the 249 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: last several years. So let's try some new good things, 250 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: and that's how you get people engaged. 251 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: Let's talk about where we see the Trump campaign right now. 252 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: The Trump dance ticket Right now, so many folks that 253 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: I know are saying that Trump has basically heaped and 254 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: is now just you know, bottoming out right. That usually 255 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: coming off of the convention, you have the momentum of 256 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: the media, of people talking about you. But Biden took 257 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: the wind out of those sales immediately the convention closed, 258 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: and then boom that following Sunday he announces that he 259 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: is dropping out and Kamala is coming in. Since then, 260 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: we have seen video after video after video of jd 261 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: vance like dehumanizing women. The misogyny knows no bounds, the 262 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: hatefulness knows no bounds. We are seeing Donald Trump drop 263 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: out of the debate, as we said, calling a whole 264 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: bunch of names. They don't seem to have found their footing. 265 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: They don't seem to know where to pivot right now. 266 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: What do you make of where the Trump dance ticket 267 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: is in this current moment? 268 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: Well, it's funny. I was doing the live the R 269 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: and Z coverage for ABC, and I remember when they 270 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: announced the pick and everything. My immediate response, because that 271 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: was a rough time to be a democratic commentator those 272 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: weeks after the debate for Biden, I said, This was 273 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: the first piece of good news democrats have gotten. And 274 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: it's really born out because I knew right away. I've 275 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: followed this guy for a long time since obviously Hillbilly elogy, 276 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: and it was sort of this nonsense takeaway of quote 277 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: unquote economic anxiety in twenty sixteen that really media used 278 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: to silence discussions about sexism and racism that were really 279 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: the reason a lot of people did support Trump. And 280 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: I think you look at this moment, and he really 281 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: is Ron Desante's two point zero even worse. Perhaps he's 282 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: a ivy leaguer costplaying maga, talking about how much he 283 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: loves to drink mountain dew, clapping for himself, weird stories 284 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: about the couch. None of it resonates, and he certainly 285 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: doesn't have the charisma and the shamelessness and the money, 286 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: frankly and the decades long reputation that Trump allows him 287 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: to get away with it all. Sort of That's been 288 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: Trump's gift, is that, you know, people really do buy 289 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: into the fact that he's an entertainer. Jade Vance is 290 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: so fickle and frankly on the record, so hypocritical, and 291 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: obviously really was telling the truth. A couple years ago 292 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: about who Trump was and sort of called him right 293 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: an opioid that these Maga folks were addicted to. And 294 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: he just now has decided, well, it's his turn to 295 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: get power. And you know how disgusting. I'm an Indian 296 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: American and I'm very excited about the premise of Kamala 297 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: Harris being our first South Asian president. But you look 298 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: at Usha Vance, the wife of JD. Vance. First of all, 299 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: what kind of pathetic husband came then his wife against 300 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: the disgusting racist attacks from the white supremacists and the 301 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: Maga movement. Well that's because that's their voting base. So 302 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: he's not going to stand up for his wife's talk 303 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: about being alpha. They love to say that, right, like 304 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: they're the definition of what a man should be. I 305 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: think a man should be able to defend his wife's 306 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: race as she's being smeared and attacked by the disgusting 307 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: people he hope supports him. So that's one thing. But 308 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: I think the second thing is that JD. Vance is 309 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: a hodgepodge of whatever Peter Thiel and Elon Musk and 310 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: the sort of weird is the word. Yes, it is 311 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: Ali Browse who were never probably socialized who surround themselves 312 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 2: with yes men for forever who are weird and obviously, 313 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: I mean we can just see that from from even 314 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: you know, the more quote unquote progressive is one like Zuckerberg. 315 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: I mean, these are odd kids, and so they have 316 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: all of these personal vendettas and you know, opinions that 317 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 2: really don't add up and don't really reflect the larger electorate. 318 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 2: And now they've hand selected Jade Vance is Donald Trump's 319 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: running me, and it's a mismatch, and of course Donald 320 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 2: Trump has no self control, so it's becoming so apparent 321 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: that he's pissed and that you know, he regrets the choice, 322 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: and they're not going to have the chemistry that you 323 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: do need those folks to have to run on a 324 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 2: successful ticket and all of that so a huge disaster 325 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: and mistake, and luckily the media has acknowledged it now. 326 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: But my concern is that obviously media has a short 327 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: attention span, and I do think an agenda. You know, 328 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: I saw a pretty peace that was saying media and 329 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 2: reporters are feeling rejuvenated and energized over the swap out 330 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 2: of Biden for Harris. Well, first of all, that's totally inappropriate. 331 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: They're supposed to report the news, not create exciting things 332 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: for them to cover by interfering and pushing narratives so 333 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: aggressively and strongly. But yes, Kamala is new to them. 334 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 2: I mean she shouldn't because they should have been covering 335 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: her as the important impact vil vice president she's been 336 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 2: for the last four years. But they suddenly started paying attention. 337 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: And they'll get over that, though, and they'll want to 338 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: take her down and they'll want to criticize you know, 339 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 2: I guarantee that, you know, as the campaign develops, they 340 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: will find the issues that they can criticize her on, 341 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: whether or not they're real or manufactured, and some of 342 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: them will be legitimate. But you know, certainly my concern 343 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: is that right now Kamala is going viral for all 344 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: the right reasons, and Janieans is going viral for all 345 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 2: the wrong reasons. That's a gift, but of course there's 346 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: going to be ups and downs in that, and I 347 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 2: think one of the things that the virality of Harris 348 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: right now does is it creates a reset moment and 349 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: a permission structure, particularly for young folks who felt ailing 350 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: and needed from the process, or maybe felt like you know, 351 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: the cool kids on campus had one set of political 352 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: views and they should align with those. Because Harris has 353 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: made politics more fun and engagement engaging, and also because 354 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: they've all seen their friends and folks post on social 355 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 2: media about it, they feel probably more empowered to be 356 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: voting Democrat, to say they're voting Democrat, to show up 357 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: and actually do that, because at the end of the day, 358 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 2: these folks understand that their rights are on the line, 359 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 2: that our future is on the line, and so I 360 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 2: do think that reset and exhale moment is important no 361 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 2: matter what happens down the road. 362 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: What are you, you know, as we are making our 363 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: way to convention, you are a DNC delegate, What are 364 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: you excited to see? What are you hoping to see 365 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: of this, you know, multi day extravaganza when we officially, 366 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, make Kamala Harris our Democratic nominee. 367 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: I am excited to see the reality show. And I 368 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 2: don't use that in a negative way. You know, you 369 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: have the attention of the press, you have the attention 370 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: of the American people. Use it, engage them, entertain them. 371 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 2: Reflect what we just talked about, which are all the 372 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 2: upsides of vice president Harris's candidacy, making it fun, making 373 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: it engaging, make it different. I'm expecting to see, though 374 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: also a real focus on the policy, but presented as 375 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: we've seen through as we saw through the deepstakes. You know, 376 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 2: I think one of the again silver linings of all 377 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: of this for Democrats has been showing the deep bench 378 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 2: that we of leadership, making those cable heads and communicating 379 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 2: in a bunch of different ways. But you know, I 380 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: think a lot of people sort of typecast how Democrats message, 381 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: and it's really not true when you go look at 382 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 2: all these governors that we're speaking out about what the 383 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: party's done and what they stand for, and how do 384 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: we do represent the working class and the middle class 385 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 2: and what the deliverables have been economically in an engaging way, 386 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: in an honest, regular way. It's not like all these folks, 387 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: you know, have been over consulted in our spewing talking points. 388 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: They're speaking from the heart and it's resonating. So keep 389 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: doing that, but also show the diversity and the excitement 390 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 2: and the energy that to your point, right, Democrats do 391 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 2: have the culture on our side, as we always have, 392 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: but particularly in this moment, all they have is a 393 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: bunch of random wrestlers and kid rock at the RNC. 394 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: Right, go forget Paul Kulgan right. 395 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: Exactly, random wife beaters basically, or alleged wife beaters, right, 396 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: anyone who would be willing to show up. That's who 397 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: they had. We have every major person that has contributed 398 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 2: to American culture over the last several decades supporting this ticket. 399 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: So use that effectively. And you know, we don't need 400 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: to see or hear from George Clotie. How about somebody younger, 401 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 2: somebody exciting. So I think definitely that what I'm looking 402 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: to not see, honestly is I do think the opportunity 403 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 2: with young voters for this campaign is now a different opportunity. 404 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: And no shade to anyone doing the organizing work for Biden, 405 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: but I do feel like the youth support that was 406 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 2: touted and spoken about, and I know the campaign was 407 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: really engaged on sort of did feel a little top down, 408 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: and it did feel a little like sort of the 409 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 2: nerds from like model un in high school understanding that 410 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 2: Democrats needed youth voices and youth support and so they 411 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: could be the one on CNN or the one writing 412 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: the op ed or going viral on Twitter among a 413 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 2: bunch of six year olds who wish that young voters 414 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 2: thought that way, and that's not to be knocked and 415 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: it does have an impact, and good for those people. 416 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: I think they believe what they're saying. But the reality 417 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: is they didn't represent the energy or the voice of 418 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: gen Z accurately. That's not true and the poll showed 419 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: that and everybody knows that. So when you look and 420 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 2: you see the excitement at the Georgia reality, when you 421 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: look at the means online and TikTok, it really is 422 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: much more grassroots, much more genuine and real. It's not 423 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: folks thinking, oh, if I make this thing go viral, 424 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: maybe a producer will reach out to me and I'll 425 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: get to do a hit, or maybe I'll get a 426 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: job with some campaign. It's just like, oh, my friends 427 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 2: are now excited about this new thing happened the news. 428 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 2: It is a cultural moment and I want to be 429 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: part of it. And so I would suggest tapping much 430 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: more into that energy. And then you know, having David Hogg, 431 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 2: who again maybe he should speak, but he can't be 432 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 2: the only young speaker and only young voice for gen Z. Again, 433 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: not a knock on him. He's done great work. He's 434 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 2: been a great leader. I just think a lot of 435 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: folks who haven't felt represented so far that are now 436 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: engaged in this process are not going to respond to 437 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 2: what feels like more of an institutionalist voice now at 438 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: this point, despite being young. So how do they tap 439 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: into that? It's very easy. There's all sorts of voices 440 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 2: and Christ there's. 441 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think that there is a range 442 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: of talent, there's a range of perspective. I think that 443 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: what we are seeing, you know, just again to harken 444 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: back to the Atlanta rally, which is where we really 445 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: got to see, you know, who is coming out behind Kamala, 446 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: I think that there are lots of different voices, different perspectives. 447 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: You know, you had the you know Kamala you know 448 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: is bread like you have all of these things you 449 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: know that are coming up. And so I'm excited because 450 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: I feel like in some ways that this shift has 451 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 1: kind of taken the shackles off of the Democratic Party 452 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: and there is really a torch passing that has happened. 453 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: And I think that if we can continue to galvanize 454 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: that energy and continue with all of these amazing calls 455 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: that are raising millions and millions of dollars and engaging 456 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: people in every corner you know, of the demographics that 457 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,239 Speaker 1: we need to hit that we will win. And you know, 458 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: I hope Kivon, that we get to talk to you 459 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: again when either when you're at convention or right when 460 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: you return, because I think it would be really great 461 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: to hear from you again. 462 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 2: Thank you. 463 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: Yes, for sure, tell people how they can follow you. 464 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 2: Yes, So I'm Kivon frout hey AI V A N 465 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: s h R O F F on all socials though 466 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 2: you can catch me on there, and I'm you know, 467 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: every week on ABC Live so you can catch my 468 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: commentary there as well. 469 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: Amazing. Thank you. That is it for me today, dear 470 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: friends on woke f as always, Power to the people 471 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay 472 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: woke as fuck.