Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio
Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 1: In the summer of I was sitting around a pleasant
Speaker 1: dining table in a beautiful old home in Rhode Island,
Speaker 1: watching a family reminisce about what it was like to
Speaker 1: grow up there. They spoke of all the birthday parties
Speaker 1: and holidays they had. They talked about where their rooms
Speaker 1: were and where they put the Christmas tree every year.
Speaker 1: In that moment, the room was filled with laughter and joy,
Speaker 1: and you would never look at these folks and think
Speaker 1: anything traumatic had happened to them there. That was until
Speaker 1: one of the women who spent her childhood in the
Speaker 1: home softly touched my arm and whispered in my ear.
Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you something, Yes, I replied, smiling.
Speaker 1: She said, I forgot to tell you that every night
Speaker 1: I would go to bed and hear this in my ear,
Speaker 1: seven soldiers in the wall, seven soldiers in the wall,
Speaker 1: seven soldiers in the wall, seven soldiers in the wall.
Speaker 1: She then proceeded to whisper a harsh stream of sounds
Speaker 1: and gibberish in my ear that was absolutely terrifying. She
Speaker 1: rocked back and looked at me with tears in her eyes.
Speaker 1: At some point during this moment of merriment, this sweet
Speaker 1: woman walked outside and got into the car and waited
Speaker 1: for her family. She declared that this would be the
Speaker 1: last time she would ever set foot in that house.
Speaker 1: I'm Amy Bruney and this is Haunted Road on six
Speaker 1: seventy seven Roundtop Road in Burrowville, Rhode Island. There's a
Speaker 1: plot of land that seems much too small to hold
Speaker 1: all the contention and controversy surrounding it. Some folks refer
Speaker 1: to the house as being in Harrisville, which is also correct.
Speaker 1: Harrisville is a small town known for its historic homes,
Speaker 1: but it's part of the larger Burrowville. The house has
Speaker 1: been called the Old Arnold Estate, the Sutcliffe House, the
Speaker 1: Old Brook Farm, the Dexter Richardson House, the Harrisville farm House,
Speaker 1: the Farm on Roundtop Road, and most notoriously, the Conjuring House.
Speaker 1: People can't really settle on when the farm house came
Speaker 1: into existence. Having personally been in the town Clerk's office
Speaker 1: and after pulling the deeds myself, they go back incredibly far.
Speaker 1: But it's not quite clear when the house in its
Speaker 1: current form took shape. Some say seventeen thirty six, others
Speaker 1: say eighteen thirty six. Having been in the home numerous
Speaker 1: times in being pretty familiar with New England historic houses,
Speaker 1: my best guess is sometime in the seventeen hundreds. But
Speaker 1: the house fell into the hands of the parent family
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy. They purchased it, along with two hundred
Speaker 1: acres from a gentleman named Mr Kenyon. Mr Kenyon had
Speaker 1: lived in the home for two decades and had no
Speaker 1: reason to warn the family of the incredible paranormal trauma
Speaker 1: they were about to experience, because in his twenty years
Speaker 1: there he never claimed to experience anything strange. Now, don't
Speaker 1: let that dissuade you from what the parents claim to
Speaker 1: have gone through. I've been on plenty of cases where
Speaker 1: one family has nothing happened in a home, only to
Speaker 1: have the next family move into a paranormal hotbed. I
Speaker 1: firmly believe some people either bring that energy with them
Speaker 1: or feed that sometimes long dormant energy into manifesting. The
Speaker 1: parent family consisted of parents Caroline and Roger parent and
Speaker 1: their children Andrea, Nancy, Christine Cindy and April. Andrea has
Speaker 1: been the most willing to engage the public about the
Speaker 1: family's experiences in the home, and has written three books
Speaker 1: on the subject. I know Andrea personally, and she is
Speaker 1: one of the most warm and incredible people you could meet.
Speaker 1: She's very passionate about what on in that farm, and
Speaker 1: she also has some pretty amazing UFO stories, but those
Speaker 1: are for another day. The family claims that paranormal activity
Speaker 1: began just minutes after arriving. At first, it was just
Speaker 1: piles of dust or other things moving around on their own.
Speaker 1: It escalated to terrible smells, mysterious failures of the heating system,
Speaker 1: and objects thrown in glass shattered. They also reported that
Speaker 1: their beds would shake every morning at five AM. That's
Speaker 1: not an alarm clock, I want to wake up too.
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy three, the parents invited famed paranormal investigators
Speaker 1: Ed and Lorraine Warren into their home. Members of the
Speaker 1: Catholic Church, Ed was a paranormal investigator and self taught demonologist,
Speaker 1: and Lorraine professed to be a clairvoyant and light worker.
Speaker 1: Together they formed the New England Society for Psychic Research
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty two if you're wondering if the experiences
Speaker 1: in the home or anything like the Conjuring film. When
Speaker 1: being inner View to promote the film, Lorraine attested to
Speaker 1: the clock stopping at three oh seven am, birds flying
Speaker 1: into windows, and the family dog being found dead in
Speaker 1: the yard after it refused to go inside the house. However,
Speaker 1: the exorcism included in the film did not take place,
Speaker 1: though Lorreene did hold a seance during which Caroline began
Speaker 1: speaking in tongues, and along with the chair, she was
Speaker 1: seated and floated into the air before being thrown. It
Speaker 1: was at that point the Warrens were asked to leave,
Speaker 1: Andrea tells me there was even a bit of a
Speaker 1: physical altercation between Ed and Roger following the seance as well.
Speaker 1: The parents could simply not afford to leave the home,
Speaker 1: so did not do so until nineteen eighty. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: the two acre lot was reduced to eight acres when
Speaker 1: the parents were forced to sell land to pay for
Speaker 1: flooding that occurred in their place of business. Eventually, Norma
Speaker 1: and Jerry Sutcliffe purchased the home and it remained with
Speaker 1: the Sutcliffs until twenty nineteen, though Jerry passed in seen. Initially,
Speaker 1: Norma and Jerry claimed there were paranormal happenings in the house,
Speaker 1: even calling in the TV show ghost Hunters, which I
Speaker 1: used to be on, but this was before my time
Speaker 1: to investigate. In two thousand five, they said they experienced
Speaker 1: banging doors, voices chatting in the other room, footsteps leading
Speaker 1: to the opening of a door, chairs that vibrated, a
Speaker 1: fog inside the home, and once they saw a blue
Speaker 1: light flash across their bedroom. But since the Conjuring movie
Speaker 1: was released in ten, Norma has been dedicated to downplaying
Speaker 1: and denying any claims of the paranormal within the house.
Speaker 1: It could be because of how disruptive the constant stream
Speaker 1: of people driving by the home or trying to actually
Speaker 1: break into the property became once the movie was released,
Speaker 1: or some claim it's because the Sutcliffs never received any
Speaker 1: compensation from the production of the film. None of the
Speaker 1: filming happened on the property, by the way, all I
Speaker 1: know is when we filmed an episode of Kindred Spirits
Speaker 1: there in twenty nineteen, after Norma had sold the property
Speaker 1: to the most recent owners, Norma showed up in the
Speaker 1: driveway extremely upset. Still defensive of the home she had
Speaker 1: sold months before, and before she had any knowledge of
Speaker 1: who we were or how we operate. I'm sure she
Speaker 1: has years of pent up frustration with all the court proceedings,
Speaker 1: et cetera, and hopefully by now she has seen that
Speaker 1: the current owners aren't about misinformation now. Despite whether or
Speaker 1: not the Sutcliffs experienced anything paranormal in the home, Norma
Speaker 1: did operate a daycare there for twenty years. I'd like
Speaker 1: to think she wouldn't have done so if she thought
Speaker 1: anything there was dangerous. Norma sold the home to Corey
Speaker 1: and Jennifer Heinesen, paranormal investigators and friends of mine, who
Speaker 1: we will be interviewing in a little bit. They bought
Speaker 1: the home in the summer of twenty nineteen and immediately
Speaker 1: began investigating. They've had a slew of activity since they
Speaker 1: moved in, so much so that their teenage son is
Speaker 1: reluctant to stay there alone. Before you decide to pop
Speaker 1: by the home yourself, know that the Heinzen's have ad
Speaker 1: on her more security cameras running on the property. Watching
Speaker 1: those cameras really puts into perspective just how many people
Speaker 1: drive by that house and how many people actually have
Speaker 1: the audacity to walk onto the property or try the
Speaker 1: front door. This is a residence, folks. The great news
Speaker 1: is the Hinzens have the full confidence of the remaining
Speaker 1: parent family members. We even brought them back to the
Speaker 1: property for our episode of Kindred Spirits we filmed there.
Speaker 1: It was surreal walking the grounds with them that first day.
Speaker 1: But I'll never forget walking with Cindy, who I spoke
Speaker 1: of in the intro to the show. She really seemed
Speaker 1: to be the most affected. She was relating to me
Speaker 1: some memories of them as children playing in the yard,
Speaker 1: and I told her that my own daughter had been
Speaker 1: there earlier in the day to visit on our lunch break,
Speaker 1: and she had loved running around the grounds and exploring
Speaker 1: the little maze of rooms inside the house. Cindy was
Speaker 1: still looking in the distance when she mat her of
Speaker 1: factly said that's wonderful, but this is no place for
Speaker 1: children and walked away from me. After the break, let's
Speaker 1: discuss who we think is haunting the farmhouse, and we'll
Speaker 1: also dispel some historical myths long associated with the home,
Speaker 1: and later on we'll talk to Corey and Jen Hinzen,
Speaker 1: the current owners of the house and talk about a
Speaker 1: new theory they have developed on who could be causing
Speaker 1: the haunting. Now, as far as desk go at the house,
Speaker 1: there are a few that have been documented. In nineteen
Speaker 1: o one, a Jarvis Smith died of exposure on the property.
Speaker 1: Jarvis had been tried and acquitted of a murder in
Speaker 1: eighteen nine, which may or may not be relevant, but
Speaker 1: was apparently his claim to fame. In nineteen o three,
Speaker 1: Edwin Arnold was walking home from an event back to
Speaker 1: the house where he lived at the time, and decided
Speaker 1: to take a short cut and disappeared. He disappeared on
Speaker 1: October and was not found until Saturday, December seven, a
Speaker 1: full seven weeks later. A hunter found the remains leaning
Speaker 1: against a stone wall, as though he laid down to
Speaker 1: rest and just never resumed his journey. There is a
Speaker 1: claim that there are a lot of suicides nearby. While
Speaker 1: I don't have numbers of suicides versus population, I can
Speaker 1: say that as I looked through newspapers trying to find
Speaker 1: relevant occurrences nearby that could lead to a haunting, there
Speaker 1: definitely were more articles about folks taking their own lives
Speaker 1: than on any case I've researched enough that I mentioned
Speaker 1: it to Adam. I was not aware this was something
Speaker 1: that was brought up about the property at the time.
Speaker 1: There is a little book called the Black Book that
Speaker 1: records all sorts of unusual deaths in the area. Many
Speaker 1: historical areas have these. That's also probably where the parents
Speaker 1: and others got the idea for strange deaths nearby. Now,
Speaker 1: Bathsheba Sherman. That's a name anyone who has seen the
Speaker 1: original Conjuring movie is extremely familiar with. Unfortunately, just about
Speaker 1: everything you've heard about her is completely untrue. Bathsheba was
Speaker 1: the wife of a farmer whose land adjoined the original
Speaker 1: plot of land that is now where the house sits.
Speaker 1: We're not sure exactly how her name became mixed up
Speaker 1: in the lore of the house. Originally, some say Lorraine
Speaker 1: Warren said the name during her time investigating the house.
Speaker 1: Others claim Caroline Parrin found the name in historic records somewhere. Regardless,
Speaker 1: at some point in recent history, people began declaring that
Speaker 1: Bathsheba had been a witch. They even went so far
Speaker 1: as to say that she murdered an infant. In reality,
Speaker 1: Bathsheba died in eighty five and was buried beside her
Speaker 1: first husband in a nearby cemetery. The burial was presided
Speaker 1: over by a reverend, which is hardly something that would
Speaker 1: have happened if she was an accused witch and child murderer.
Speaker 1: Nowhere in history is her name associated with any of
Speaker 1: the rumors about her. And I can tell you the
Speaker 1: history of Burrowville is pretty well documented. I poured through
Speaker 1: old newspapers myself. You couldn't even visit a neighbor up
Speaker 1: the road without it being reported in the local paper.
Speaker 1: To this day, the local historical society has fought against
Speaker 1: this misinformation about Bathsheba. Her gravestone has been desecrated and
Speaker 1: knocked over so many times they have now removed it
Speaker 1: and put it in a safe location. Even Andrea Parent
Speaker 1: has declared that the information passed around about Sherman is
Speaker 1: completely inaccurate, yet the damage has been done. It's the
Speaker 1: perfect example of why in the world of paranormal investigation,
Speaker 1: you've got to get your historical facts as straight as
Speaker 1: you can. Ghosts may be hard to prove the existence of,
Speaker 1: but history is not now, believe it or not, This
Speaker 1: was actually a very high level overview of the history
Speaker 1: of the farmhouse. I think it's best if we have
Speaker 1: a little chat with the new owners and get an
Speaker 1: idea of the activity level there. Now, coming up, we'll
Speaker 1: talk to Corey and jen Hinzen parent them investigators, friends
Speaker 1: of mine and the most recent owners of the farm. Alright,
Speaker 1: so I am now joined by Corey and Jennifer Heinzen,
Speaker 1: who are the very brave couple who actually purchased the farmhouse,
Speaker 1: and they're here to tell us their story and tell
Speaker 1: us what's going on there now. So welcome guys, Thank
Speaker 1: you for having us, Thank you for having us. Full disclosure.
Speaker 1: When we were setting up this interview, we had to
Speaker 1: reschedule at a number of times because something was always
Speaker 1: going wrong. And I told Corey I blamed the house,
Speaker 1: and he said, everyone blames the house. They do. It
Speaker 1: seems to be the default answer. So I mean it
Speaker 1: makes sense, I guess. I mean, if I lived in
Speaker 1: the do you guys call it the farmhouse, the conjuring house?
Speaker 1: What do you refer to it as whatever? We won't
Speaker 1: get sued before. I guess we usually just refer to
Speaker 1: it as the farm, the farm. Okay, Well, I feel
Speaker 1: like if I had bought the farm, I too would
Speaker 1: just blame everything on it. I think you haven't out
Speaker 1: for life at this point. So true, very true. So
Speaker 1: can you just kind of tell us how you came
Speaker 1: to own the house and why would you buy such
Speaker 1: a place? Honestly, it was a Facebook post at like
Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning that I came across. It
Speaker 1: was in a random uh I t C group that
Speaker 1: I was a member of at the time, and it
Speaker 1: was the first post in a while, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, well, that's kind of funny. And we had
Speaker 1: friends down in this area that actually knew the owner
Speaker 1: and got us in touch with the realtor, and the
Speaker 1: realtor said, yes, in fact, she was going to be
Speaker 1: putting it up for sale, and she didn't want to
Speaker 1: put it on the market because there were certain people
Speaker 1: that she didn't want to have bidding on it and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So they actually had us sit down
Speaker 1: with her. We were sitting down with the owner before
Speaker 1: we were even sitting down with the realtor and getting
Speaker 1: tours of the house and stuff, and basically it was
Speaker 1: like for sale by owner, if you will. That's interesting,
Speaker 1: And so what was the talk like between you two
Speaker 1: when you made this decision to buy the house. What
Speaker 1: have your plans been for it? We planned to move in.
Speaker 1: I mean it was like kind of a family decision.
Speaker 1: We were going to move in. It would have been
Speaker 1: Jen and I and our son Tyler. He would have
Speaker 1: been starting his junior year of high school. Yeah, Maddie
Speaker 1: was in Maine in college. You know. He thought he
Speaker 1: would be like the king of the high school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the cool kid. Yeah, the cool kid. And he ended
Speaker 1: up having an incident, and it just I guess I
Speaker 1: kind of overlooked it because him being an investigator with us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'd been doing it for a long time. It's not
Speaker 1: like none of this was brand new to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I guess being totally immersed and it would be
Speaker 1: a different story. Yeah, And he just kind of tapped
Speaker 1: out and he's like, I can't do it, and injury
Speaker 1: gave him a walk through the house is well, And
Speaker 1: I think watching the emotion on her face and everything
Speaker 1: that she went through tapped into the reality of living
Speaker 1: here would be totally different than investigating a location, right,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. It's one thing to go into a place,
Speaker 1: you know, for a night or two and investigate, but
Speaker 1: she gets to leave doing nothing follows you home, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's totally different to kind of move into
Speaker 1: one of the most notoriously haunted homes in the world, really,
Speaker 1: and so I could see that being tough. So is
Speaker 1: he going back and forth between Maine or is he's
Speaker 1: living there now or he's still up in Maine. It
Speaker 1: took him a long time before he'd come back here,
Speaker 1: and then when he finally did come back, he would
Speaker 1: travel here and there, not as much as we did.
Speaker 1: But then once COVID hit, it was too hard for
Speaker 1: him to travel with other regulations and work in school,
Speaker 1: and so he's not here as often as we are.
Speaker 1: But I think he kind of likes it that way.
Speaker 1: I think he's okay with that. So what was the
Speaker 1: breaking point for him? What happened to him? He um,
Speaker 1: we were sleeping in one of the rooms. We slept
Speaker 1: in two main rooms for like the first four months
Speaker 1: that we were down here, kind of getting a field
Speaker 1: for the place and letting the spirits get used to us.
Speaker 1: Everybody thinks we're crazy, but that's just how we did it.
Speaker 1: And he was sleeping in the room with us, sleeping
Speaker 1: in between Jen and I, and he said he heard
Speaker 1: footsteps coming down the stairway, and he said he ended
Speaker 1: up seeing this black mist, and like the way he
Speaker 1: described it, I know for a fact he saw it
Speaker 1: because my friend and I witnessed the same thing a
Speaker 1: few weeks prior, and he didn't mention it to us
Speaker 1: until later on. Yeah. It was the weekend of the
Speaker 1: para con here on Rhode Island and he was supposed
Speaker 1: to be here with us for the entire weekend. And
Speaker 1: after the first night he left before his sister was
Speaker 1: driving from New York back up towards Maine, and he
Speaker 1: asked her to stop in and pick him up and
Speaker 1: bring him back up to Maine with her. So we
Speaker 1: didn't really know why. He just kind of said he
Speaker 1: was ready to go home. He didn't tell us why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh that's right. Yeah, I remember that weekend because I
Speaker 1: think that's when you first came up to me and
Speaker 1: you were like, guess what we did. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: still new to us. We've only been here for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Three weeks, three weeks. Yeah, So Andrea
Speaker 1: was here that weekend as well, and she's the one
Speaker 1: that walked him through the house. I think everything just
Speaker 1: hit him all at once that weekend and seeing visually
Speaker 1: seeing that black mass himself, was that was it for him? Well?
Speaker 1: I also think that for our episode of Kindred, we
Speaker 1: brought the parents back into the house as many of
Speaker 1: them as we could, you know, some of them had
Speaker 1: passed on, and it was it really did something to
Speaker 1: the energy in the house. And so I could almost
Speaker 1: see having Andrea back for the first time and so
Speaker 1: long could have definitely caused a shift that would, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of wake something up. Do you think that probably
Speaker 1: was part of it? I think it was part of it. Yeah, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: so what's going on in the house currently, what's the
Speaker 1: activity level? Like, I mean, the teams that have been
Speaker 1: coming in have been getting some extraordinary stuff. For us,
Speaker 1: it's just it's normal stuff. It's like, if you see it,
Speaker 1: you see it. If not, you don't. You know, the
Speaker 1: teams event just getting some phenomenal catches. But for us,
Speaker 1: like I think the last time we had something happens
Speaker 1: when the door opened as we were watching TV. We
Speaker 1: just had and watched it open. It's like, if you
Speaker 1: want to come in watch TV, come and watch me.
Speaker 1: That's fine. It's just you know, it's it is what
Speaker 1: it is. You just kind of get used to it.
Speaker 1: So you guys, basically at this point, do you teams
Speaker 1: rented out for the night or how do you work
Speaker 1: that you have a lot of investigators coming in and out.
Speaker 1: I see them posting quite often. Yet we were doing
Speaker 1: overnight investigations where we do allow teams to come in
Speaker 1: as a group and investigate overnight. We have a lot
Speaker 1: of people reaching out trying to do day tours, but
Speaker 1: we COVID it's so hard to regulate. Like the teams
Speaker 1: that come in at night, they booked together, they stay together,
Speaker 1: they already know each other, they've already been exposed to
Speaker 1: each other, so that no strangers are being next. But
Speaker 1: most weekends we have people here they are investigating and
Speaker 1: yeah we just knew Friday, Saturday and Sundays. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. And do you kind of give them a
Speaker 1: little rundown beforehand of things that are off limits or
Speaker 1: do you feel like everyone's been mostly respectful? Oh? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know. We we tell them, you know, treat our
Speaker 1: house as you'd want your house treated, because regardless of
Speaker 1: what you think, we we have to deal with the
Speaker 1: consequences of whatever you do during your time here. So
Speaker 1: no seances, no trying to cross over. Spirits and stuff
Speaker 1: like that can't come in here under the influence of
Speaker 1: alcohol and drugs, and we do keep an eye on
Speaker 1: them with the cameras and stuff like that. If we
Speaker 1: see something stupid going on, which surprisal we never have
Speaker 1: would put the nicks on that real quick. So I mean,
Speaker 1: ultimately you're the one that has to live with whatever
Speaker 1: happens there. Overall, the paranormal community has kind of made
Speaker 1: a shift in the last few years to being a
Speaker 1: lot more respectful. I know when I first started investigating,
Speaker 1: and Corey you know too, because Coria a long time
Speaker 1: ago help me with events up in New Hampshire, and
Speaker 1: you can attest to you know, when people investigate for
Speaker 1: the first time or they get into groups, they get
Speaker 1: very excited and sometimes they have this inclination to start
Speaker 1: provoking and getting rough to get spirits agitated. Have you
Speaker 1: had any indication and all these investigations going on, have
Speaker 1: you had any indication or clues as to who you
Speaker 1: think is haunting the farm? Oh? God, we still don't.
Speaker 1: Like we still get multiple names. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: we could say we we know for sure that there's
Speaker 1: at least a man. Yeah, there's a man that he's
Speaker 1: very very prevalent when we have all female teams here,
Speaker 1: and from what some of the psychics on the teams
Speaker 1: have described him as is like a just a giant
Speaker 1: man like Quaker outfit, and he gives the all female
Speaker 1: teams a hard time kind of like because he's very
Speaker 1: very proper, like where's the men? Why am I talking
Speaker 1: to females kind of thing, And that's really the only
Speaker 1: one we've really noticed. Yeah, I mean, I'm eager to
Speaker 1: kind of get back there at some point because I know,
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of finished up our investigation with Kindred.
Speaker 1: I felt went really well. I felt like we've provided
Speaker 1: a lot of closure for the parents, which was pretty great.
Speaker 1: But I always go back to, like I think of
Speaker 1: Edwin Arnold a lot, just because he was walking home
Speaker 1: to his family and then died and it wasn't found
Speaker 1: for weeks, and that to me is like that's kind
Speaker 1: of a classic spirit. I feel like that would come
Speaker 1: back to the house like never made it home, was
Speaker 1: found seven weeks later, leaning up against the fence, like
Speaker 1: he just kind of sat down to rest and didn't
Speaker 1: wake up. I just I don't know, there's something about
Speaker 1: that death to me, that resonates and I'm so curious
Speaker 1: if it's him. No, I mean it most definitely could be.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, circumstances like that, that's what you
Speaker 1: look for. There's all with the Crooked Neck woman. A
Speaker 1: lot of people have said it was Susan Arnold, but
Speaker 1: it's the wrong Susan Arnold, because there was a John
Speaker 1: and Susan Arnold that lived here, and then there's a
Speaker 1: John and Susan Arnold lived in Uxbridge. She was the
Speaker 1: one that hung herself. She gets associated with the property,
Speaker 1: Crooked Neck and stuff like that. Well, there's actually something
Speaker 1: came out recently in the news that there was a
Speaker 1: giant that had been on earth near this property, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying that's actually what it
Speaker 1: is that we're seeing is just a giant person trying
Speaker 1: to fit through the hallways of this house. That is
Speaker 1: so interesting. I had no idea you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: send me that info because that makes complete sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because when we were investigating for Kindred and you guys
Speaker 1: pointed out to us too, like so the previous owner
Speaker 1: had a daycare center in the holm for twenty years,
Speaker 1: which I'd like to think if she thought it was dangerous,
Speaker 1: she probably wouldn't have done that. But we found these
Speaker 1: drawings that the kids drew of an actual woman or
Speaker 1: person with their neck crooked, and it reminded me so
Speaker 1: much of the Haunting of Hill House, you know, and
Speaker 1: it was really bizarre. And it's just these multiple drawings
Speaker 1: of this kind of crooked neck person, which is so strange.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. No, it's definitely makes you scratch your head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, where who draws that? Especially? This was pree
Speaker 1: Haunting of Hill House. Obviously this was years ago. So
Speaker 1: what do you think has been the craziest experience you
Speaker 1: guys have had since you purchased the house? I would
Speaker 1: probably say still to the day. Is the shadow figure
Speaker 1: that we saw, So that's the one that you had
Speaker 1: seen before your son saw the miss. I think he
Speaker 1: saw the miss first. Well, that was probably a few
Speaker 1: weeks before. Like this was like a full bodied shadow figure,
Speaker 1: like well defined, and Jen and I saw both at
Speaker 1: the same time, which made it even more awesome because
Speaker 1: usually like it's a personal experience because we didn't catch
Speaker 1: it on camera. Was this during an investigation or was
Speaker 1: this just in the middle of the day or when
Speaker 1: did this happen? It was actually at night. We're both
Speaker 1: sleeping on the same cot for some reason, I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but she was restless. She woke me up,
Speaker 1: just moving around and I woke up and it was
Speaker 1: actually I think it was the first night that we
Speaker 1: had left the door open into the adjoining room. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was the first night that we left the door open.
Speaker 1: And because for some reason we would think, you know,
Speaker 1: closing the door, we keep ghosts out closing and locking it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like when you as long as your feet
Speaker 1: and hands are under the blanket, nothing bad can happen
Speaker 1: to you, exactly. But I woke up and I just
Speaker 1: see this thing looking around the corner of the doorway
Speaker 1: looking at us. And I didn't freak out because I
Speaker 1: had seen shadow figures before, but just not as well
Speaker 1: defined as this. And I'm like, okay, i know what
Speaker 1: i'm seeing. I know I'm awake, and I'm not saying anything.
Speaker 1: And then Jen was the one that's like, tell me
Speaker 1: you're seeing this, and she said it out loud, and
Speaker 1: as she talked, it scurried out of the way real fast,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, that was a shadow figure and
Speaker 1: we just high fived each other, were like, that was
Speaker 1: so awesome. It wasn't like we were freaking out or
Speaker 1: it was upset and we didn't catch it on camera, right,
Speaker 1: but it was still cool that we both started at
Speaker 1: the same time. You guys are definitely paranormal investigators because
Speaker 1: most people would have run screaming from the home and
Speaker 1: would never return. I love ire. Like we high fived.
Speaker 1: It was cool. We went back to sleep. It was great.
Speaker 1: That was nice. I mean it, honest to God, just
Speaker 1: didn't give us like a scary feeling. It didn't the
Speaker 1: house doesn't give us a bad vibe. Yeah, having been
Speaker 1: in their multiple days, I definitely do not get a
Speaker 1: bad vibe from the house until I get into the basement.
Speaker 1: Like there's just a very different feeling down there. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just because it really is
Speaker 1: like a textbook spooky New England basement or if there
Speaker 1: is actually something else down there. How do you guys
Speaker 1: feel about the basement. It's been weird, like it's hit
Speaker 1: or miss. Sometimes sometimes you'll go down there and like,
Speaker 1: I won't feel anything. Then sometimes you go down it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a heavy feeling but still at
Speaker 1: the same time, it's not the typical heavy feeling you
Speaker 1: would associate with something that's malevolent or something, you know,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. It's just, you know, there's something there.
Speaker 1: You're kind of tapping into that sensitivity thing, and it's
Speaker 1: still it's making you aware that it's there. And it's like,
Speaker 1: we just started upkeep of the house maintenance. Thank you
Speaker 1: and everything that we've done. Everybody that was here working
Speaker 1: with us, I was like, look, before you swing a hammer,
Speaker 1: before you do anything, you explain to these spirits what
Speaker 1: you're doing. I don't care how stupid you feel. That's
Speaker 1: just being respectful. And we haven't had no problems. I'm
Speaker 1: sure those contractors are like, this is new, this is
Speaker 1: a new instruction. But you know, actually, I've never heard
Speaker 1: of someone kind of instructing people beforehand to kind of
Speaker 1: like talk the spirits through a renovation or and I
Speaker 1: think that might be a good idea for people who
Speaker 1: think their house might be on it, like actually show
Speaker 1: them what you're doing and why, because that tends to
Speaker 1: really stir up activities. So I bet you guys were
Speaker 1: concerned about that, right, Oh, absolutely. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of the residential cases I dealt with, Like back when
Speaker 1: I was on a team, it was always seemed to
Speaker 1: revolve around renovations and things like that. So it was like,
Speaker 1: just let them know we're doing this because you know,
Speaker 1: the house has been here almost three hundred years. We
Speaker 1: wanted here for another three hundred years. It's just fixing
Speaker 1: it up a bit. You know, we're not making any changes,
Speaker 1: just reinforce and stuff. I mean, it's a beautiful house
Speaker 1: and the property is beautiful, and like, obviously I felt safe.
Speaker 1: I brought my daughter there when we were filming. You know,
Speaker 1: one of the nice things when we're local because I
Speaker 1: live in Rhode Island, is that I can bring the
Speaker 1: babysitter and my daughter out for dinner or something for
Speaker 1: our dinner break. And so Charlotte loved it, Like I remember,
Speaker 1: I have a picture of her just running on the
Speaker 1: lawn and she felt very comfortable there and very safe.
Speaker 1: And so it's just so interesting that you have this
Speaker 1: house with this kind of crazy reputation, but then you
Speaker 1: can sit there on the porch in the summer and
Speaker 1: just feel completely at ease. Have you had any people
Speaker 1: come in who felt otherwise, like any of the teams
Speaker 1: or anything. Has anybody had to leave or anybody felt
Speaker 1: like something bad happened to them there. Yeah, we've had
Speaker 1: multiple teams that can't stay overnight. The majority of them
Speaker 1: that can't stay are psychic mediums that feel like they're
Speaker 1: personally being attacked or targeted. Targeted, I should say, not
Speaker 1: necessarily attacked, because nobody's ever I don't believe anybody's ever
Speaker 1: felt attacked, but they feel like whatever is here knows
Speaker 1: that their psychic mediums and they're just being picked on.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people come here just too
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with the movie Yeah, and they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you know, we're walking into walking into hell. And we
Speaker 1: explained to him it's not that at all. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's a classic haunting. It's intelligent. You know. You treat
Speaker 1: them with respect and you're going to get the same
Speaker 1: in return. We haven't had anything say otherwise, right, although
Speaker 1: at the same time, we've had multiple people tell us
Speaker 1: to be aware that it's drawing us in, it's making
Speaker 1: us feel comfortable, So we always have that in the
Speaker 1: back of our mind. We know enough paranormal people that
Speaker 1: we do have people that look out for us, that
Speaker 1: watch our movements that watch our body language. That can
Speaker 1: you know, tell if we're acting funny. Yeah, I wonder
Speaker 1: if whatever is there maybe has a distrust for mediums
Speaker 1: or something, just because I mean, Lorraine Warren was really
Speaker 1: kind of the catalyst for the whole Bathsheba Sherman story beginning. However,
Speaker 1: well meaning they may have been or wherever that came from.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't ever want to say that someone
Speaker 1: did something purposefully. I don't think anybody spread that story
Speaker 1: on purpose, you know, in a negative way, But it happened,
Speaker 1: and I won or if they are very aware of
Speaker 1: everything that went on in the house kind of with
Speaker 1: Edan Lorraine. And so now when someone comes in and
Speaker 1: says their psychic, the energy there automatically kind of recoils
Speaker 1: or goes on guard kind of do you think that
Speaker 1: could be a possibility. It could definitely be a possibility.
Speaker 1: I mean, the problem is the whole reason we're here
Speaker 1: is because and Lorraine Warren we're here. Something definitely did
Speaker 1: happen here. You had Pyro, which was Keith and Carl
Speaker 1: Johnson's team. They called in the Warrens. The Warrens came in,
Speaker 1: they witnessed things and for us to sit there and say, well,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that happened. That's kind of foolish because
Speaker 1: unless you have there to personally experience something, how can
Speaker 1: you tell somebody what their experience. And I saw it
Speaker 1: in the parents eyes when they came with the show
Speaker 1: with Kindred, they went through something absolutely like, I definitely think,
Speaker 1: you know, something definitely happened there. I felt like Cindy
Speaker 1: in particular, was having this kind of throwback moment when
Speaker 1: she was there where she was shaking. She didn't even
Speaker 1: like she couldn't wait to get out of here. She
Speaker 1: ended up just going and waiting in the car and
Speaker 1: was like, I'm done never coming back here. So I
Speaker 1: think that there was definitely something there happening. And I
Speaker 1: wonder if the parents energy. They have a really great
Speaker 1: energy about them, especially Andrew, Like she walks in the
Speaker 1: room and you can just feel her presence. There's a
Speaker 1: reason why that woman everywhere she goes people just end
Speaker 1: up hugging her and confiding every bit of their being
Speaker 1: to her, Like she's just this very warm energy. There's
Speaker 1: something about her and them, you know. Obviously like Bathsheba
Speaker 1: was not in that house, and I think that was
Speaker 1: the biggest story that came from that, regardless of what happened.
Speaker 1: And so I'm just wondering if maybe the spirits are
Speaker 1: kind of weird. I can't imagine what the energy was
Speaker 1: like in the house, like you have the parents and
Speaker 1: the warrants together. I wish I could be a fly
Speaker 1: on the wall of what that was like. Like that
Speaker 1: is like a perfect storm of energy, you know, and
Speaker 1: then whatever spirits are, they're reacting like that must have
Speaker 1: just been the most tumultuous moment for that house. I
Speaker 1: could see the house almost being scarred from it. If
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, no, it makes sense too. It's
Speaker 1: interesting to look back and look at the different dynamics
Speaker 1: and look at the different situations and what we know
Speaker 1: now compared to what we knew then, and and I
Speaker 1: think that's one of the greatest things you guys are doing,
Speaker 1: is that you're saying the house has spirits, that it
Speaker 1: is haunted, and you're very cautious about it, but you're
Speaker 1: also working hard to kind of figure out why, getting
Speaker 1: the history right and everything. And I know the Historical
Speaker 1: Society watched the episode with us at the home and
Speaker 1: they were really thrilled. And I think that is such
Speaker 1: an important message for the field in general, Like just
Speaker 1: because you're correcting history doesn't mean a place isn't haunted.
Speaker 1: It's important to at least get that part right as
Speaker 1: much as we can. And I think we're so lucky
Speaker 1: right now too, because we have so many resources that
Speaker 1: I know, when I first started investigating, we did not have.
Speaker 1: I remember just going into the town clerk's office in
Speaker 1: your town and just going back through those deeds all
Speaker 1: the way to where I couldn't even read them anymore
Speaker 1: because they were like old English cursive. Yes, we've seen that,
Speaker 1: and I have a hard time deciphering. Yeah. So that's
Speaker 1: a great message, and I think it's really awesome of
Speaker 1: you guys to open the house up the way you have.
Speaker 1: I feel like some people might look at that like
Speaker 1: you're trying to make up business out of it or something,
Speaker 1: but I think that there's a way to do it respectfully.
Speaker 1: And so how how are you guys kind of navigating that?
Speaker 1: It's really hard because if you want to consider it
Speaker 1: like supply and demand, especially with the new movie coming out,
Speaker 1: people like I don't really say demanding dates, but we're
Speaker 1: just always constantly getting emails it's like wanting to book this,
Speaker 1: wanting the book, that people wanting to have weddings here,
Speaker 1: and it's like, uh, definitely, don't want to turn it
Speaker 1: into a circus. And that's what we've said from day one.
Speaker 1: And we love that there are so many people interested
Speaker 1: in it, but it honestly has been really hard to
Speaker 1: try and navigate the two to be able to let
Speaker 1: people in and the right people in and the people
Speaker 1: that want to be here for the right reasons, and
Speaker 1: to not go overboard and be like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: way too overwhelming. Yeah, I mean, I said earlier before
Speaker 1: I started interview, you guys kind of reminded the audience
Speaker 1: that it's a residence. It's a house, people live there.
Speaker 1: You know. When I was there, you guys have multiple
Speaker 1: security cameras up, and I remember on breaks we would
Speaker 1: just sit and just watch car after car just pull
Speaker 1: up and people almost feeling like they have every right
Speaker 1: to just walk up to your door. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know that our crew had to stop multiple people, and
Speaker 1: it's so strange to me, like that people actually feel
Speaker 1: like they can just roll on up. And I think
Speaker 1: actually at one point I just walked right in and
Speaker 1: we were like, Hi, we're working here and this is
Speaker 1: a house, but it has that reputation. What is that like?
Speaker 1: Living around that? Most days aren't too too bad. I
Speaker 1: feel like most people have been pretty respectful, but we
Speaker 1: definitely find from right now until fall time is the
Speaker 1: worst and people. I don't know why, but for the
Speaker 1: last probably two three weeks, maybe it's because the trailer
Speaker 1: for the new movie, people are pulling onto the property
Speaker 1: all the time. Now, last night we had somebody pull
Speaker 1: into the end of the driveway at what twelve thirty
Speaker 1: this morning, and they were parked out there for like
Speaker 1: a good fifteen minutes before Corey went out there. Last
Speaker 1: night was the first time it felt like an evasion.
Speaker 1: Who just does that on somebody's property in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night. Yeah, that's bold. So I'll just once
Speaker 1: again spread that message to the audience that this is
Speaker 1: a house and you can contact their website and book
Speaker 1: like everyone else if you wanted to take a chance
Speaker 1: with that. Do you guys have to ever call the
Speaker 1: police or anything? I feel like you must have them
Speaker 1: on speed dial. Yeah I haven't yet. Is That's one
Speaker 1: thing that Jen and I agreed upon was we knew
Speaker 1: what we were getting ourselves into as far as having
Speaker 1: to deal with that sort of element. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, it's like, if we've given them access, if
Speaker 1: they go through the proper channels, which with the previous
Speaker 1: owner that was never an option. But if we've given
Speaker 1: them that option, as long as they go through the
Speaker 1: profit channels, it's like, hopefully it will cut it down,
Speaker 1: and then we'll cut it down. We understand there's always
Speaker 1: going to be that element we have to deal with,
Speaker 1: but as long as that remaining respectful and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But like last night, there was no need of like
Speaker 1: what transpired last night, I mean that kind of got
Speaker 1: out of hand. Yeah, they then threw something at Corey.
Speaker 1: We thought it was water, but I think it might
Speaker 1: have been a red bull. Yeah, it was a red
Speaker 1: bull or something like that. It's like, seriously, is this
Speaker 1: what it's come? You know, they're dressed up like ninjas.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm fighting out here with like five ninjas
Speaker 1: in a car. And if you hadn't gone out there,
Speaker 1: what was their plan or they going to get out
Speaker 1: of the car and try to get in the house.
Speaker 1: You know, that's most of the time, I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: pretty relaxing and chill, but there's got to always be
Speaker 1: that kind of little bit in your mind where you're like,
Speaker 1: anyone could just roll up here. Everyone knows where this
Speaker 1: house is, especially locally, everyone knows where the house is,
Speaker 1: you know. I feel like I constantly see stories about
Speaker 1: the house, and you guys are very generous with your
Speaker 1: time and with the information and with opening the doors,
Speaker 1: So I think you're right. Hopefully over time it will
Speaker 1: kind of peter out and people will realize that they
Speaker 1: can have access in some way. Now that being said,
Speaker 1: if people do want to visit the house or get
Speaker 1: in touch with you guys, what can they do? They
Speaker 1: can visit our website which is the Conjuring House dot com.
Speaker 1: I know it's very original, or on Facebook page which
Speaker 1: is the Farm on Round Top Road because the Conjuring
Speaker 1: House was taken well. As always, it's a pleasure talking
Speaker 1: to you guys. I'm hoping to see you in person
Speaker 1: again soon since things seem to be kind of improving
Speaker 1: and I'm vaccinated, I'm ready to take on the world.
Speaker 1: So you guys are welcome any time. Yeah, we would
Speaker 1: love that. Well, thank you so much, and again, anyone
Speaker 1: who is interested in the barn please go check out
Speaker 1: their website and their Facebook. And these are two very
Speaker 1: lovely people who also happen to be paranormal investigators. And
Speaker 1: I think of, you know, whenever I say what I
Speaker 1: do for a living at like a dinner party or something,
Speaker 1: how everyone asks me so many questions. But I think
Speaker 1: you guys might one up me on that. I feel
Speaker 1: like the second you tell people you own the Conjuring House,
Speaker 1: like that's it. Some people don't. I love it all right. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, guys, and I hope to visit soon.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having to me. The farm stands as
Speaker 1: one of the most iconic paranormal locations in the world.
Speaker 1: The lore, legends, and ghost stories surrounding it cannot be
Speaker 1: denied and will forever be associated with that property. It's
Speaker 1: also a place that has taught us so many lessons
Speaker 1: in the paranormal field. It's shown us what happens when
Speaker 1: a haunt becomes commercialized and sensationalized, and what happens when
Speaker 1: the history is reported incorrectly. It's pretty clear how that
Speaker 1: has affected the living who are associated with the farm,
Speaker 1: but let's not forget how it affects the dead as well.
Speaker 1: Not just their spirits, but their memory. I'll be watching
Speaker 1: and probably investigating that house as the years go by,
Speaker 1: and while I think it's in very good hands at
Speaker 1: the moment, I'm incredibly interested to see how the activity evolves.
Speaker 1: I very strongly believe haunt responds directly to the living
Speaker 1: who surround it, and I think we're just a few
Speaker 1: chapters in what's going to be quite the story of
Speaker 1: the farm on round Top Road. I'm Amy Bruney, and
Speaker 1: this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Mankey.
Speaker 1: The podcast is written and hosted by Amy Bruney. Executive
Speaker 1: producers include Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. The
Speaker 1: show is produced by rema Ill Kali and Trevor Young.
Speaker 1: Taylor Haggerdorn is the show's researcher. For more podcasts from
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