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Speaker 1: Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Hello, I'm Evan Novie Williams, Mike Lynch,

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Speaker 1: and I'm Jason Kelly. This is the Bloomberg Business of

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Speaker 1: Sports podcast Weeks where the big money issues in the

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Speaker 1: world of sports, and there are a lot of them,

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Speaker 1: Evan Novi Williams, even in a world of no sports.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely Jason Today, you know, let's start with some potentially

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Speaker 1: explosive developments right now, past few days in the ongoing

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Speaker 1: lawsuit counterlawsuit between Zion Williamson, NBA star and Gina Ford,

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Speaker 1: his one time marketing executive the big news coming out.

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Speaker 1: In the past few days, Ford and her legal team

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Speaker 1: have asked Zion Williamson they're called requests for admission, essentially

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Speaker 1: his mother and stepfather requested for and received money, gifts,

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Speaker 1: impermissible benefits from a whole host of people here Nike, Adidas,

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Speaker 1: other agents, etcetera. The reason she's doing this is that

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Speaker 1: unpack all this? All? Right? So I was reading in

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Speaker 1: This is more about Duke in college basketball in many ways,

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