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Speaker 1: that and we've seen this, by the way, in our

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Speaker 1: level one course in ev pro plus, because we do

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Speaker 1: introduce UM alternating current into that and we actually start

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Speaker 1: going through some of the aspects of alternating current, we've

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Speaker 1: already seen this UM and it is very it's very

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Speaker 1: evident that UM the UM. Those attending have little to

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Speaker 1: no experience with alternating current and UM they're going to

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Speaker 1: need to get that skill set because there's there's no

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Speaker 1: way around if you really want to analyze the circuits

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Speaker 1: on it, because most of them are going to be

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Speaker 1: alternating current in some way, shape or form. Even the UM,

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00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: even the low voltage systems for some diagnostics are using

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Speaker 1: all their mating current and this is in a battery

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Speaker 1: past isolation fault circuits where they use a C. So

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Speaker 1: I think that, UM, that's probably the big nut there

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Speaker 1: is that UM we have we have a c UH

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Speaker 1: that really we have no background and I'm speaking just

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Speaker 1: in general from the at large type of thing here,

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Speaker 1: and then the other thing is just just electrical in general,

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Speaker 1: that we really have a lack of that skill and

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Speaker 1: it's got if you really want to advance into the

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Speaker 1: electrics and hybrids, that really pays to have a background

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Speaker 1: in that. UM. An interesting UH. An interesting antidote is

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Speaker 1: if you take a look at the audit of the

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Speaker 1: a f C Training Managers Council, if you take a

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Speaker 1: look at their their needs that are being requested by

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Speaker 1: both O E M and the aftermarket, that E V

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Speaker 1: and hybrid training is there typically for at least the

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Speaker 1: path three or four years has been their number one

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00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: requests from the field UM and electrical electronic at second.

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Speaker 1: So UM, the field knows that they need it. I

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Speaker 1: think that's evident through the benchmarking survey that the Training

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Speaker 1: Manager's Council does UM, and I think I think the

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Speaker 1: field knows that. But what's interesting is when you offer

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Speaker 1: the training to them. UM. Typically we we don't see

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Speaker 1: the numbers in the training that we see are being

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Speaker 1: requested in the benchmark survey. So it's kind of interesting

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Speaker 1: they want it, but they are We'll just say that

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Speaker 1: they're The attendance doesn't reflect that right there, hesitant to

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Speaker 1: give up the time and well, you know what, let's

467
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: see if we can get them in there, because as

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00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: we close out this segment, if they're looking for ways

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Speaker 1: to get to you and take some of your classes mark.

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Speaker 1: You know, how is it? There's there's a website for this,

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Speaker 1: right I'm sure people can go to Yes, they can't.

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Speaker 1: They can go to UM. There's actually uh three of them.

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Speaker 1: One of them would be uh Quarto Tech Services dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Uh that's Quarto Tech Services dot Com. If you're in

475
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Speaker 1: the aftermarket and you want training either online or live,

476
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: you can go to future tech Auto dot com. That's

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Speaker 1: Future tech Auto dot com. And then if you're looking,

478
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: uh to attend the EV pro plus, that would be

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Speaker 1: ev pro plus dot Com. That would be ev and

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Speaker 1: then the word pro and then the word plus. That's

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Speaker 1: all one thing, ev pro plus dot Com. And we're

482
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: gonna put that up on our Facebook page for everybody

483
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: so that they can they can find it there, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll promote it for you because we appreciate

485
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 1: what you're doing. You're you're pushing a B B uphill

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00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: and uh, it's a long way to go. Mark, I've

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Speaker 1: gotta go. I gotta pull over, take a plause. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna come back with Chuck right after this, so don't

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Speaker 1: go away, and Mark, thanks for joining us today. We'll

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Speaker 1: have you back again real soon. I'm on a any

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Speaker 1: in the car, doctor. We'll be right back. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: We're on the car doctor, Chuck King Cage should be there, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: Are you there? Chucky? Hey? How are you? Um? Yeah, see,

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00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: we're we're learning as we go, just like EVS. Right,

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00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: There's there's some technical glitches here today, but we're working

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Speaker 1: through them. Uh. You know, you sat listening to Dr

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00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: Mark talk about training and EVS and in our next

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00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: couple of minutes I'm gonna bring it back for the

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00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: last segment too, So don't wander away. Um, what are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts? Can the average shop gear up and get

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00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: ready for EVS from an equipment point of view? Yeah,

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00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: of course, right, but it's gonna take a little time,

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00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: and you know that it's kind of what we do.

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00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of this is starting with training,

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Speaker 1: and this is why you know, I know, at least

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00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm really focused on helping with that effort. Have an

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00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: electri engineering degree, right, but I forgot half of the

508
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: math that I lend, right, But I know enough to

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00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: be oriented and because of that, when I use a calculator,

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00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: it does the math for me, but I understand what

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00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm doing. And it's the same thing with our equipment, right.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you if you want to talk about

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00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, leak testing and enclosure, right, there's all kinds

514
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: of different things that you can talk about or no

515
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: need to know that type of thing. We try to

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Speaker 1: boil all that down into piece of equipment that I

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Speaker 1: would say does it for you, but it does the

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00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: processes for you. Right. So if you have one Elite

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00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: that's doing vacuum testing on there's and one that's doing

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00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: a pressure leak decay, you know, you don't have to

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00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: know any of that stuff. You don't have to you know,

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00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: go through that. You just you know, kind of push

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Speaker 1: the button. Then this is kind of what we're what

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Speaker 1: we do, and that's what the battery tester from redline

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00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 1: Detection does. I shouldn't say battery tester. It's not a

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00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: battery tester. It is a a case enclosure. It's a

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00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: structural tester. Correct. We're looking for leaks in the battery

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00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: case and correct. Yeah, um, other components right. Yeah. Remember

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Speaker 1: back in the day, we had diagnostic engine analyzers that

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00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: would you know, walk you through automated diagnostic tests and

531
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: so forth. That's really what your battery test or does. Correct.

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00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: It's it's an automated sequence of test events that you know, well,

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00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: it's it's the diagnostic it's the next step in diagnostic evolution.

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00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: Is really a fair way to put it, I think, Yeah,

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00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: I think I think it's it's one of those tools that, um,

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00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: you know you have to look at. Well, first off,

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00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, we want to drive the importance right of

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00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, having battery enclosure and other ev component field

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00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: and within leak talents is before you know, on some

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00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 1: of these cases, you know you have to do that

541
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: before you replace a component. Right. So, um, so we

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00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, we want to make sure that's that's fairly easy.

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00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean, most of though he's published and sort of

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00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: procedure really testing the battery and um. But you know,

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00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, you know some are really low pressure.

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00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: Some are really long periods of time to watch the decay.

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Speaker 1: So just to talk about the process. Typically in a process,

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00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 1: you would feel the battery up so that you know

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00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: the vent valves. There's the safety valves that that vent

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00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: um to release the pressure in the battery. You know,

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00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: when it gets hot, right of course you've got to

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00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: release that pressure. And they you know, they're one way valves.

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00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: They don't allow the pressure to come in and a

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00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: lot of times you have to take those over right

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00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: and create a seal. There's usually you pull the high

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00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: voltage connector put in a plug right, and that thin

557
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: things and then you tie into the battery, get into

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00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: the internal internals of the enclosure and then from there

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00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're pressure either pressure izing to a

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00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: certain p s I holding its steady, you know, waiting

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00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: for that hytory syst to subside. Right, So there's a

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00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: stabilization period and then you you know, you basically start

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00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: a timer and you look for how much it decays

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00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: over time. In other cases, you know, you're you're pulling

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00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: a vacuum and you're looking for how much it rises

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00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: over time. And so those are the most two most

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00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: common approaches to doing that. And that's going and that's

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00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: going to be a necessary part equipment, and that's going

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00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: to be a necessary part of battery battery structural testing.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it that. Chuck, sit tight, let me

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00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: pull over. Take this last pause. When we come back,

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Speaker 1: we'll have a couple of minutes we can finish up.

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Speaker 1: I'm running any in the car doctor. I'm here right

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Speaker 1: now with Chucking Kate of Redline Detection. Don't go away.

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00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: We'll be back right after this. That's not there up

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00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: and that's all with me. Welcome back, run in the Indian.

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Speaker 1: We're here with Chucking Kate of redline Detection. Chuck, you've

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00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: got a minute. If if you were an owner of

579
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: a repair shop and you're thinking of gearing up for EVIS,

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00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: what would you say to convince him? Yeah, well, I

581
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: mean you know, first off, you know, we work with

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00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: mostly with O eons and with dealers ships, right, and

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00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: so we're sending these are going off to dealerships. We

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00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: just shipped j l R, for example, globally to all

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00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: their dealers. Um. But you know we're also working a

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00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: little bit further up stream, so you know with engineering

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00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: manufacturing as well. Uh, it's a nice tie together, right.

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00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: And this equipment does low pressure circuit testing, so this

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00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: is uh the enclosures part of it, motors inverters, things

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00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: like this also does high pressure circuit so like coolant

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00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: in those batteries, because you imagine leaking coolant inside of

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00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: a battery bad news. Right, And that's the final piece

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00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: is a is a leak find weak leak finding technology

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00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: which we patented. Um. It's kind of unique in that industry.

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00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: You know, there's different leak methods. You know, you can

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00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: spray soapy water all over the battery and that doesn't

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00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: really work that well, I'm not going to be the

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00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: one spring water all over problem. Yeah. There's also things

599
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: like helium. You know, I know it this want only

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00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: that heaven pelium. But of course side you know, in

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00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: Michigan I called three different places. Two of the places

602
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: laughed at me. There's a global shortage on helium. So

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00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: we didn't. We designed this system where we actually produce

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00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,479
Speaker 1: the trade gaps on board and you can we cust

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00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: your heart's content smaller molecules, Chuck, we gotta leave it.

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00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: We gotta leave it there, babe. If the listeners are

607
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: looking for more information redline Detection dot com. We appreciate

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00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: you being with us, Chuck, Sit tight, I'll talk to

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00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: you afterwards. I'm run a nanny in the car doctor

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00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, They're priceless. See you,