1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: to the show, Ridiculous Historians. As always, thank you so 3 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Today's question, have you or a 4 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: loved one ever received a home remedy? These might not 5 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: be as common as they were once, but the idea 6 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: is familiar to a lot of people listening today. You know, 7 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: let's say you're under the weather, you have a cold, 8 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: maybe you have a sore throat or something like that, 9 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: and someone says, here, just drink this water with honey 10 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: and lemon, for instance, or just use this poultice, which 11 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: is a word I'd never get to use. Have you 12 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: had a home remedy? If so, we'd love to hear 13 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: about it. It has a lot to do with today's episode. 14 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: My name is Ben, Hi, my name is dol Here 15 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: pound this glass of whiskey. That'll that'll definitely here. What 16 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: ails you? What do you call it? Uncle uncle Buddy's 17 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: leg medicine you're taking? You're taking by phrase? Yeah, I 18 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: told you that years ago. Yeah, well I'm out. I'm 19 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: confirming I don't. I just wanted you to remind me 20 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: it was such a good word. Yeah. Yeah. The name 21 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: for medicinal whiskey, which is pretty common in certain parts 22 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: of Appalachia. Uh, you know, I'm not sure whether this 23 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: is an actual tennis seat name or whether this is 24 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: something my family made up, but I always loved the 25 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: phrase Grandpa's leg medicine. That's the weirdest name for whiskey. 26 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: Who are you, my friends? Ala, I said it, I'm 27 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: Noel still. Oh great, awesome. So we've got that a 28 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: staffle and uh, this guy rocking that cool fitted cap 29 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: today is our super producer, Casey Pegram. What's the cap? Say? 30 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: I can I'm have to blow you up here on 31 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: my on my zoom screen. Going back to our old episode. Yes, 32 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: the classic sibling rivalry that divided a small gem and town. Yeah, 33 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: that's a good that's an all timer. If anybody hasn't 34 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: heard that one, that's worth going back for. I couldn't 35 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: agree more, Thanks, Casey. But today we're not talking about 36 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: rivalries exactly now, not at all. I'm I'm doing a 37 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: bad job with the segue here. We're talking about exactly 38 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: what Ben said, which is the idea of home remedies. 39 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: You know, some of them like the honey with lemon 40 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: and a little bit of whiskey, Yeah, there's some probably 41 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: some efficaciousness to that. If you have a sore throat, 42 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: will it actually cure like a virus? Probably not. In fact, 43 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say definitely not. Uh, 44 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: go out on a limb and say definitely not. That's 45 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: that's a foreshadowing thing for what's to come. Um. But 46 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: it's sort of like the power of the mind, you know, 47 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: mind over matter. If you believe in something, then it 48 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: can at the very least make you feel better. Um. 49 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: But we are specifically talking about remedies surrounding uh, not 50 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: this pandemic that we're in currently, but the nineteen eighteen 51 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: Spanish flu pandemic, which we've often seen uh compared to 52 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: what we're going through right now with COVID nineteam as 53 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: a parallel, and that holds true for this as well. 54 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: There's a lot of kind of weird remedies that are 55 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: being kicked around for COVID, uh, some actually being trumpeted 56 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: by folks in power. Yeah. You know, in times of uncertainty, 57 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: people cling to things that feel like a sure bet, 58 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: or really we cling to things that feel like they're 59 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: better than nothing. History is chock full of purported cures 60 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: that later turned out to be not as helpful as 61 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: they were originally imagined to be. And in some cases 62 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: these quote unquote yours turn out to be actually harmful. 63 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: But you're right. The sheer terror of the Spanish flu 64 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: made people desperate enough to try almost anything. And as 65 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: we go into this, it's necessary to establish these people 66 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: were just as smart and just as flawed as people 67 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: living today. So the people in nineteen eighteen and the 68 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: people in no difference other than the amount of information 69 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: they had at the time. Just like the coronavirus pandemic. 70 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: When the Spanish flu hit in nineteen eighteen, when it 71 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: became an official capital B, capital D, big deal, a 72 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: lot of newspapers from the time said that influenza wasn't dangerous. Hey, everybody, 73 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: they said, as voices of reason, we are all familiar 74 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: with the flu. It's been around, It's gonna come back again. 75 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: It's not the end of the war. Old We have 76 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: advice for you, other than staying calm, just remember to 77 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: take care of yourself, keep your feet dry, stay warm, 78 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: eat more onions, keep your windows and your bowels open. 79 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: What does it mean to keep your bowels? I don't 80 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: even want to know. There was another really good suggestion 81 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: to UH that was the idea that phonograph players record 82 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: players were, you know, in the same way that we're 83 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: seeing advertising campaigns pivot to being you know, COVID related. 84 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: That was happening then, and the ad genius minds behind 85 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: phonograph campaigns started to advertise them as machines guaranteed to 86 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: drive away influenza, because passing the time listening to records 87 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: is the way to forget that you can't go outside. Um, 88 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: there's so many more of these, like things like uh, 89 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: garlic um camp for balls wrapped in cheesecloth and like 90 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: hanging around people's necks like you would like trying to 91 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: war it off vampires. What is campher noll? Camphor is like, 92 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: isn't it like what what's mothballs are made of? Yeah? 93 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: I think you're right, But I what is camphor actual? 94 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: The actual substance camphor Um is a terpene um that 95 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: is used in creams, and it actually is derived from 96 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: the oil that comes out of camphor trees. I think 97 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: it's almost like a tea tree kind of situation. Um. 98 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: It's supposed to relieve itching and swelling and UM kind 99 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: of inflammation potentially, and it is also apparently something that 100 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: is a moth repellent. Ah okay, And then you said 101 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: sugar cubes, right, but not any ordinary garden variety sugar cube. 102 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: It's like, if you can't fight the disease well enough 103 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: with a sugar cube alone, combine it with its natural 104 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: partner kerosene. Really yeah, not clear if you're supposed to 105 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: just keep these in a dish or if really supposed 106 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: to eat them. I don't know. Uh what do you think? 107 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: I mean? Clearly you put them in your armpits and 108 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: at the back of your knee. Uh, and and you 109 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: walk through the town uh that way with an onion 110 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: on your belt, which was the style of the day. 111 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: Makes perfect sense to me. Um. Also there were some 112 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: other more whiskey again um the famous the famous leg 113 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: medicine um, and also something called Mrs Winslow's Soothing Syrup, which, 114 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: as we know, UM, a lot of those cough medicines 115 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: that were intended for for folks of all ages contained 116 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: lots of alcohol and potentially morphine, and this one also 117 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: had a nice extra little punch with some ammonia, and 118 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: it was pretty regularly given to infants was also pretty 119 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: regularly criticized in public. The a m A. The American 120 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: Medical Association called Mrs Winslow's soothing syrup a quote baby 121 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: killer back in nineteen eleven. It was still on the 122 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: market for for for almost two decades later. Uh, this 123 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: is strange. We're gonna walk through some of these purported 124 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: fulk remedies, right, And some of these treatments, by the way, 125 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: were recommended by medical authorities of the day. One thing 126 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: people loved that doctors did not co signed was the 127 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: idea that the Spanish flu could be deterred by the 128 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: color red, just the presence of the color red. All 129 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: throughout Chicago, families would shut their windows and doors and 130 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: they would boil red pepper in an attempt to stave 131 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: off the virus. So this is a notion that by 132 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: boiling red pepper, you are harnessing the assance of the 133 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: color red. Sorry for my incredibly pretentious pronunciation. There was 134 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: that sort of what we're getting at. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 135 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: you're you're weaponizing red. It reminds me of a scene 136 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, one of the I 137 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: think one of their more recent episodes where Frank Olds, 138 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: the character played by Danny de Vito, starts demanding that 139 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: he only eats blue, just blue colored food, because he 140 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: feels like it's classy and he feels like it's good 141 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: for you. Uh. I'm not saying that the entirety of 142 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: Chicago was made up of Danny DeVito clones in nineteen eighteen. 143 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: That would just be genetically impossible. But you're right. People 144 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: did believe that things associated with the color red would 145 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: somehow prevent the encroachment of the virus because the flu 146 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: apparently just didn't like that color. Yeah, that's right. Uh. 147 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: And in Louisiana there is even a hospital superintendent, you know, 148 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: supposed to be relatively in the know about the latest 149 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: trends in the medical treatments. Um. He recommended, uh, weaving 150 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: a quilt out of wormwood, um and sewing between it 151 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: layers of flannel that were dipped in hot vinegar. I 152 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: don't understand. I guess the flannel was read. But here's 153 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: here's the craziest one of all. Um, there is actually 154 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: a recommendation in a book about the pandemic that preserved 155 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: a letter to the Public Health Service suggesting that service men. 156 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm guessing this is like frontline medical workers, uh, you know, 157 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: on on the ground wear a red ribbon on their 158 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: chest because quote the flu is the devil, and devil 159 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 1: don't work with red, right. That seems counterintuitive to me, 160 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: though Ben doesn't. I thought the devil would love read. Well, 161 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: you know in some depictions of hell, you know, the 162 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: very pit of the abyss is a frozen, cold place, 163 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: so maybe there would not be fire. I think a 164 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: lot of people have the association of red with the 165 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: Christian devil because of the concept of flames. But you know, 166 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: devil don't work with red. I think that's a great catchphrase, 167 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: and I am not I'm not opposed to stealing that 168 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: from the letter quoted in that book you mentioned the 169 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: Spanish influenza pandemic of eighteen to nineteen nineteen. New perspectives, 170 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: the devil don't work with red, casey Pegram. I feel 171 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: like that's something you're always telling us that in product. Yeah, 172 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: those are like the two things I associate with the devil. 173 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: So what about another cure? I shouldn't say cure. We 174 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: have so many purported remedies. I don't know about you, guys, 175 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: but I can I can get behind this one pretty 176 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: easily sliced onions. If one person in the house came 177 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: down with the Spanish influenza, everybody knew, you know, it 178 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: was communicable, so your odds of getting it yourself greatly increased. 179 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: Some families would try to get in front of this 180 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: if they had someone in their house who was infected, 181 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: they would slice onions and place them strategically around the home. Yeah, 182 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: it was this idea that onions absorbed impurities in the air. Uh. 183 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: And this is actually a pretty long standing kind of 184 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: folk remedy in general. It wasn't specific just to the 185 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: Spanish flu um. This this notion that onions can absorb 186 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: bacteria and just nasty things in the air. Of course 187 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: that's not true. Um. I will say that onions are 188 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: pretty good at absorbing like flavors and other smells. So 189 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: if you had like a like a cut onion and 190 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: you left that in the fridge, they would do a 191 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: pretty good job of like absorbing some of those other, um, 192 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: you know, fridge smells. Uh. So it's probably a good 193 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: idea to keep your keep your onions wrapped up. But 194 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: that could just be uh could just be my imagination 195 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: based on this old uh, this old folk remedy. Yeah. Yeah. 196 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: While we're on the subject of smell, I do have 197 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: one weird tip about garlic smells that I learned way 198 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: too late. Garlic has also been used in a similar 199 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: way to onions, with the idea that the smell somehow 200 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: will just aid a disease or a vampire or so on. 201 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: I did not know this, but you know how when 202 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: you cut garlic, your hands may smell of garlic. Afterwards, 203 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: if you rub your hands on stainless steel, it will 204 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: remove the smell of garlic. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. 205 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Another interesting thing to that, to 206 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: that end about onions is you know how when you 207 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: cut an onion, it makes you cry. I mean, that's 208 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: definitely a thing that happens, and I wonder if that 209 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: lad some people to believe that onions have some sort 210 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 1: of magical properties. It is true that onions um actually 211 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: have antibacterial properties, which makes them less prone to uh 212 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: bacterial contamination. UM. In fact, so here's here's the thing. 213 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: There's a chemical reaction that happens when an onion is cut. 214 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: It actually produces something called pro pen sulfenic acid, which 215 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: then yields uh sulfuric acid once it decomposes, and that 216 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: sulfuric acid is actually what makes you cry by irritating 217 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: your eyes. Um. Sulfuric acid also is something that will 218 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: prevent the growth of bacteria but absorb it. That's a stretch. Yeah, yeah, 219 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: but you can see where the logic is coming from here. 220 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: When when you hear about the idea of slicing onions, again, 221 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: people weren't foolish. They were working with the information they 222 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: had at the time. There was also a strange correlation 223 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: here between toxic gases and the flu or perceived correlation, 224 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,479 Speaker 1: I should say. During the pandemic, a group of villagers 225 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: in England stumbled upon what they saw as a strange 226 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: and informative relationship. They noticed that workers who were exposed 227 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: to noxious gas appeared to catch influenza at a lower rate, 228 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: and because of this, many concerned parents who did not 229 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: want their children to die of the Spanish flu took 230 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: them to industrial areas, to factories, to plants and expose 231 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: them to those gases instead of taking them to the doctor. Here, 232 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: little Johnny stuck on this uh smoke stack for a while. 233 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: That'll that'll cure what ails you. Yikes. It kind of 234 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: reminds me of been you. You recall when COVID nineteen 235 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: first kicked in, there was concerned that cigarettes tobacco smokers 236 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: would be more prone to getting the disease because it's 237 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: an upper respiratory thing, and and this notion that you 238 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: know it we it would weaken your immune system or 239 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: a weekend your upper respiratory system. But then a study 240 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: out of France you might recall as well, uh, showed 241 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: that smokers were being infected much less frequently. We don't 242 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: know why. I don't know what that correlation was, but 243 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: yet there it is. So I wonder if this is 244 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: a similar situation where because you're sucking on toxic fumes 245 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: so much, maybe your body is just and it like 246 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: rejecting things, or you know, you've basically bulked up your 247 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: immune system because it works so hard all the time. 248 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: I don't know this is I'm obviously not a lung 249 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: doctor here, but what do you guys think about that? 250 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: I would say the methodology is up for examination, yes, 251 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: just to be diplomatic about it. I mean, people who 252 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: are chronic tobacco smokers may be less likely to go 253 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: to a doctor or may already have symptoms of COVID 254 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: that can just be attributed to the labor that the 255 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: lungs experience on a day to day basis with smoking. 256 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: But I also I also followed that as well. It 257 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: was an interesting report and we're still seeing again more 258 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: and more cures being proposed. And then withdrawing from the 259 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: public sphere, there was one medical expert, a sanitary officer 260 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: by trade, who said, I'm gonna look into this inhaling 261 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: fumes thing. I don't know if kids should go straight 262 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: to the nitric acid playground before they visit the doctor. 263 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: By playground, I mean factory. Anyway, this guy found that 264 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: the general rate of influenza in this area in England 265 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: was about which is huge. And then he looked specifically 266 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: at a local factory, a ten factory, and in this 267 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: factory workers were exposed to nitric acid on a regular basis. 268 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: The rate of influenza in that factory appeared to be 269 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: just eleven percent. And then he somehow found that if 270 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: these workers also inhaled gunpowder, their rate of influenza was 271 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: only five percent. This comes from Dr Jeremy Brown in 272 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: his book named Influenza. Was that a normal situation. Look, 273 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: I have never worked at a ten factory. I've never 274 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: made ten. But are people getting exposed to nitric acid 275 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: and then also inhaling gunpowder on their lunch break? What? 276 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: What gives? How is that a normal thing? It certainly 277 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: seems pretty specific if you ask me, um side effective 278 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: working you know around lots of gunpowder, like and like 279 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: saying arms manufacturing, you know, facility or something like that. 280 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: But who knows. The jury is still out on that one. 281 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: Shall we move on to the next one? Then? Oh? Yes, 282 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: let's this will be familiar to anyone who's read up 283 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: on malaria. That's right, And it also is gonna have 284 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: a little bit of resonance with uh one of today's 285 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: somewhat spurious remedies that the jury is definitely still out 286 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: on being kicked around. And when I say today, I 287 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: mean modern day. Um. This one is quinine, which is 288 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: an anti parasite that was used very effectively in treating malaria. 289 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: It's also something, if I'm not mistaken, that is what 290 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: gives tonic water. It's a kind of weird bitter taste. Yeah, 291 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad we brought this up. Gin and tonic the cocktail. 292 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: Everybody knows, and some people love has this fantastic origin story. 293 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: It is a cocktail that came about because of malaria. Today, 294 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: malaria kills around four hundred thousand individuals per year. But 295 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: in the seventeen hundreds, the Scottish doctor named George Cleghorn 296 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: discovered that quinting can be used to treat malaria, and 297 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: they put it in tonic water, and this lead to 298 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: tonic water being given out to British soldiers when they 299 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: were stationed in India during the age of the British Empire. 300 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: But of course tonic water is pretty bitter by itself, right, 301 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: That's why you just don't see a lot of people 302 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: ordering straight up tonic. So back in the eighteen hundreds, 303 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: soldiers started adding gin and then they added lemon, then 304 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: they added lime to their tonic water, all the hide 305 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: the bitter flavor of this malaria medication, and they accidentally 306 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: invented the gin and tonic. Nowadays, by the way, gin 307 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: and tonic is not going to be your go to 308 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: cure for malaria because the quining content is pretty low nowadays. 309 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting that it's basically kind of a nostalgic 310 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: remnant of something that once was like actually used for 311 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: a real reason and and and was meant to not 312 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: taste particularly great, and now it's something that people kind 313 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: of developed a taste for, um because it's weird. It's 314 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: when you mix. If you drink tonic water on its own, 315 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: it does taste kind of gross. But if you mix 316 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: gin with it and a little bit of squeeze a lime, 317 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: you don't really taste that bitterness. It almost tastes like 318 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: sprite or something, you know what I mean, Like it's 319 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: it really does mask it, but it's sort of a 320 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: necessary component to the cocktail, isn't it. I mean, look, 321 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I'm probably never gonna be the 322 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: biggest fan of Mother's Ruin, which was a nickname for gin. 323 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are like that. No not, 324 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: it's a it's maybe a story for another day, but 325 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 1: but you're right, they were doing a lot of stuff 326 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: to cut that bitter taste. And quickly before we move on, 327 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: I sort of set this up. UM. A drug that's 328 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: being you know, kicked around right now with with a 329 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: lot of um consternation and kind of controversy is something 330 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: called hydroxy chlora queen um, which is also a drug 331 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: that's used to treat that was effectively used to treat malaria. UM. 332 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: It's something that certain individuals are are saying could potentially 333 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: treat UH the coronavirus, but clinical trials have proven so 334 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: far that that's not the case. But I just think 335 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: it's really interesting that the parallel there between the Night's 336 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: eighteen Spanish flu pandemic um. This notion of a previously 337 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: effective drug being used to treat something UH new UM 338 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: is very much still a thing right now because quinine 339 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: was UH shown it would reduce the fever that caused 340 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: by malaria, but that was because it actually treated malaria 341 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: and attacked the parasite, it being an anti parasite UM, 342 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: and it wasn't and it wasn't useful at all against viruses. Right, 343 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: two different uh, two different diseases, you know what I mean? 344 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: All not all diseases come from the same place. Now, 345 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure we're all familiar with the old, tried and 346 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: true saying, when life gives you a pandemic, make lemonade 347 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: or something like that. Lemons and citrus fruit in general, 348 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: like lime, played a big role in combating disease. We 349 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: have to note, of course, that citrus fruits like oranges, lemon, 350 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: and lime, were effective in combating scurvy. That was a 351 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: common affliction experienced by sailors out on the open ocean. 352 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: But eventually lemons had a role to play in the 353 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen pandemic, and it was actually very good for 354 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: the lemon market. You see, before the nine eighteen Spanish 355 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: flu pandemic, people in the US didn't really mess with lemons, 356 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, like nowadays you might be listening to this 357 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: with some lemons in your house. You might be planning 358 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: to pick up some lemons while you're listening to this podcast. 359 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: But back in the day Preen, the average US resident 360 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: maybe bought twelve lemons a year. They people just didn't 361 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: care for the sour taste and they didn't, you know, 362 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: like it wasn't a normal part of the diet. Yes, 363 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,239 Speaker 1: it's true. And by the way, I've learned recently from 364 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: America's Test Kitchen that a lot of people keep their 365 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: lemons out of bowls on the table. Well, that's a 366 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: surefire way to end up with bad lemons. Refrigerate those 367 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: lemons and the last a lot longer. Um. But back 368 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: to the Uh, the task at hand. Um. It's true 369 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: it was a difficult at the time to sell lemons. Uh. 370 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: There was also in nineteen thirteen, in advance of the pandemic, 371 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: there was a massive freeze that was very detrimental to 372 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: the lemon crops. UM. And then in nineteen seventeen, Uh, 373 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: there was a heat wave that absolutely you know, fried 374 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: the lemon crops on the trees. But you know, after 375 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: all of that consternation in the lemon industry that shake up, 376 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,479 Speaker 1: they finally had a good harvest. Uh, And it was 377 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: actually things were going crazy with the lemon. Yield had doubled, 378 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: but consumer demand had absolutely shrunk. Um. Consumers were only 379 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: using about one lemon when they might have used to. 380 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: And that was according to Don Francisco of the California 381 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: Fruit Growers Association back in nineteen eighteen April. I love 382 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: this guy. I love Don Francisco, and I'm also a 383 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: big fan of Albert Lasker. Anyone who's familiar with the 384 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: concept of advertising as depicted in Madmen or in the 385 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: book Propaganda by Edward Bernese, if you're familiar with those characters, 386 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: you're going to love this Albert Lasker guy. Don Francisco 387 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: had started working with the California Fruit Growers Exchange that 388 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: you would you had just mentioned uh in nineteen fourteen 389 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: as a fruit examiner, which sounds like a cool job. 390 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: I like looking at produce. I feel like that would 391 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: be a pretty rewarding career. Francisco was not yet thirty. 392 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: He was twenty seven years old, and he was already 393 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: quote a legend in the citrus industry because, along with Lasker, 394 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: this guy had no fooling invented orange juice or the 395 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: modern concept of it. He popularized orange juice in the US, 396 00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: and he and Laskar didn't do it out of concern 397 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: for people's health or out of some ultruistic motivation. They 398 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: started marketing orange juice because they wanted to get more 399 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: people eating oranges. They just wanted to sell more oranges. 400 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: And they said, you know, squeezing oranges by hand, that's 401 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: just too much work for anybody, So so let's let's 402 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: make it easier. Right. Picture all those beginning clips of 403 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: every TV infomercial ever where somebody is saying there's got 404 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: to be a better way, fumbling with orange juice dripping 405 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: off the hands, like oh if totally Um, this is 406 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: some Edward Berne's level marketing right here, my friend is not. 407 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: That's why I mentioned him. Yeah, oh my god, you 408 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: are absolutely correct and connecting this with Edward Burns in 409 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: the level of marketing genius on display here. Yea. So 410 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: just a real quick tangent here, Noel, When we say 411 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: Don Francisco and lask or sort of quote unquote invented 412 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: orange juice, what what did they actually do? Because people 413 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: have been taking the juice from oranges for you know, 414 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: thousands of years, right, that's right. Um, so this is 415 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: when you start seeing the introduction of the electric juicer. Uh, 416 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: the juice press, which obviously is huge now everyone's gotta 417 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: have one. Juicing is all the rage. But the groundwork 418 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: for that was set way back, uh in in the 419 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds here. Um so he was instrumental in 420 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: helping actually design this thing. Um. It was something that 421 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: you would see at soda fountains and diners and also um, 422 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, for those lucky enough to be able to 423 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: afford it, mornings at home around the breakfast table. And 424 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: all of this was to promote the Sun Kissed Company. 425 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: Advertisers from the firm Lord and Thomas atted the campaign 426 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: line drink an orange, and it was already it literally 427 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: was such a popular campaign, such a success that it 428 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: started to be hot on the tails of Coca Cola 429 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: as the most popular drink in the country. Yes, so naturally, 430 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: Don Francisco is the guy you go to if you 431 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: need to move some lemons. He has proven success with oranges, 432 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: and Francisco was a noted optimist, right, but even he 433 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: was cautious about the idea of selling lemons. He specifically said, 434 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: with lemons and appealed to the appetite is difficult. He 435 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: also thought they were ugly. Literally, he thought it was 436 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: just from an advertising standpoint, a tall order a tall 437 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: glass of orange juice to try and make lemons look 438 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: visually appealing. So instead of saying, you know, instead of 439 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: pretending that people like the taste of lemons, they went 440 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: with the tagline lemons for usefulness, so practical. I know, 441 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, it makes me wonder. Longtime listeners, you'll remember 442 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: a while back, uh I alluded to getting a jar 443 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: vegemite for the first time, and I was wondering how 444 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: people advertise that. How do you market yeast extract? And 445 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: I guess you can sell anything if you're Don Francisco, 446 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: because he started off small. He said, okay, ask for 447 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: a slice of lemon with your tea. If you want 448 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: to be classy, get a wedge with your vegetables. And 449 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: he said lemons are also healthy, or he said, let's 450 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: let's give people the idea that lemons are healthy, but 451 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: let's never specifically say that they should be considered medicinal. 452 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: Let's just you know, associate them with healthy things like 453 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: tea and vegetables. And he was pitching these ideas for 454 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: selling lemons just months before the rise of the Spanish flute. 455 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: Perfect timing, and Ben, we know this from like doing 456 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: ads and stuff and not mentioning anything specifically. But a 457 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: lot of times they'll be like you know, lines and 458 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: the ad cop that say, do not make any claims 459 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: about the healthfulness of this product or whatever, or don't 460 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: say that it will like fix whatever problem it might be, 461 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,239 Speaker 1: intimating that it could help you with. But you know, 462 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: making medical claims a big deal in advertising. And I'm 463 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: sure the rules were a little more laxed back then. 464 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: But um pretty smart that that he saw that that 465 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: was probably the safest way to keep from getting in 466 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: trouble with the FDA, which by the way, was established 467 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen o six, so definitely a thing um But yeah, 468 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: it's true. And you know, I think of lemons is 469 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: adding a little bit of zest, a little bit of refreshment. 470 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: But this idea that they could be healthful really took 471 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: off like wildfire when the Spanish flu kicked in because 472 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: you couldn't keep lemons on the shelves. Yeah, they went 473 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: from one of the least popular citrus products to the 474 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: toilet paper or the disinfectant wipes or the hand sanitizer 475 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: of the day. People just couldn't find lemons in stores. 476 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: They knew that thousands of people were dying from the 477 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: Spanish flu, like one thousand people have died of the 478 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: flu in Boston alone in September of nineteen eighteen. So 479 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: if you could find lemons, their price would be sky high. 480 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: People were hoarding lemons the way that people were hoarding 481 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: toilet paper in the early days of the coronavirus pandemic. 482 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: And here's the thing, no one was exactly sure why. 483 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: There was a rumor, kind of an ad campaign gone 484 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: rogue that said lemons could be a remedy for the flu. 485 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: As well as get this a prophylactic. Eventually, at least 486 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: in New York, the Federal Food Board had to step 487 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: in to stop the price gouging. Like people were becoming 488 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: lemon tie coons. Yea, and then um, you know, there 489 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: were some things that had already been popular, like warm lemonade. Um. 490 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: While it certainly wasn't encouraged by medical professionals as a cure, 491 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: but it certainly was like more of like a remedy, 492 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: like have some cameramel tea, drink some hot tea with lemon, 493 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, that'll make your throat feel better. It's sort 494 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: of like more of a mind over matter thing. And 495 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: at this point, when they don't have a cure, um, 496 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna do whatever they can to make people feel better. 497 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: At the very least they're staying hydrated. But then things 498 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 1: kind of took a weird turn. And I love this 499 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: this headline from the l A Herald from October twenty three. 500 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: Lemon sucking now hailed by science as influenza cure and 501 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: it's good for complexions to declare high medical authorities. Do 502 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: you feel the flu suck lebons? Have you the flu 503 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: suck lebons? This is the latest of re advice from 504 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: the wisest heads regarding the prevailing depodemic in the United States. 505 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: If this suggestion had come from the order of a 506 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: large lembing grove, it might have been taken with a 507 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: proverbial grade of salt. But since it came from high 508 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: medical authorities not interested in lembing growing, the Chamber of 509 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: Commerce has accepted the responsibility of passing all the good news, 510 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: and it even wraps up with this if the lemon 511 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: runs true to reputation, the problem of eradicating the epidemic 512 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: in southern California should not be difficult, as all the 513 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: lemons grow in the United States commercially are produced in California. 514 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: The crop will be approximately eight thousand cars this year, 515 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: which is about of the normal consumption of the United 516 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: States and Canada. Cars. Ben Yeah, cars would be a 517 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: cargo term. At that point, I imagine, oh got you, 518 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: I got you, like container, And they were bragging. If 519 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: you look at the context, this paper is bragging a bit. 520 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: They're saying, essentially, we have all this toilet paper, right 521 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: because this is the thing people are hoarding. They're not 522 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: alone in October of paper called the deming Graphic published 523 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: a similar report with the lovely title and the flu 524 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: a lemon. Spanish influenza doesn't like lemons. Lemons are said 525 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: to be flu foods. I love the I love flu foes. 526 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: Let's just I'm gonna start saying that. Um. Yeah, and 527 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: you know it even spread to Europe, right Uh, Europeans 528 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: who were affected by the flu started getting into lemon 529 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: treatments as well. If that spread as far as really 530 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: the government in Rome um was actually pushing for this 531 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: as being like a really good treatment. And this is 532 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: one of these things too where it's like, if you're desperate, 533 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: you don't have a cure. I can understand how this 534 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: is something that governments would get behind. I mean, is 535 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: it dangerous? No? Is it false? Hope? Perhaps? Sure? Is 536 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: it keeping people from totally losing their minds? And also 537 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, making them hydrated? And I think that's probably okay, 538 00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: but certainly was good for the lemon industry. What's interesting 539 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: too about this particular report from the Demo Graphic is 540 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: that they include a PostScript where they say, Okay, if 541 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: you can't get lemons, you can also use onions. They 542 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: note that a lot of people who had recovered from 543 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 1: the Spanish Flu credited the consumption of onions in multiple 544 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: forms with their recovery and success. It's interesting because they're 545 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: kind of they're saying lemons are the best, but we 546 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: know not everyone can get them, so an onion is 547 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: also acceptable. But to your point, Noel, Uh, neither of 548 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: these were proven to actually combat the flu. Yeah. True. 549 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: I think I don't think any of the of the 550 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: remedies that we've discussed today we're actually effective in any way, 551 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: shape or form other than that kind of placebo effect, 552 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: which we know can absolutely be powerful. Uh So where 553 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: does that leave us, Ben, Well, if you are like 554 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: many people listening today, this leaves you with some lemons 555 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: in a bowl on your counter or in your fridge. 556 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: To your earlier point, Noel, the pandemic and specifically the 557 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: advertising that became propaganda about the lemon, propelled it from 558 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: being a luxury good, something that you might on average 559 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: have a baker's dozen of per year, to a staple 560 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: in the pantry, something that was considered for a while 561 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: as basic as flour or sugar or oil you know 562 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: what I mean, olive oil or vegetable oil. I mean 563 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: not kerosene. That's just for sugarcubes for sure, And then 564 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: I know you're a chef as well. Um. I love 565 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: using lemon zest in, like in pasta dishes or in 566 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: anything to kind of brighten up the flavor. A nice 567 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: squeeze of lemon on some rice maybe or some vegetables. 568 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it really is a great thing to have around, 569 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: um for cooking or bacon. Agreed. I made some uh 570 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: preserved lemons one time. Have you guys ever tried that? 571 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: Whoa is that? Where you like with? How do you what? What? 572 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: What is the suspension? I guess? Or how do you 573 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: how do you do this? I'm fascinating. Well, I ended 574 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: up covering them with salt. I can't remember the specifics 575 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: of the recipe right now, but I I got obsessed. 576 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if this has ever happened to anybody else, 577 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: Please let me know on social media. But have you 578 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: guys ever been in this situation where you get a 579 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: massive amount of some sort of specific produce or something. 580 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: I I ended up with like eight pounds of lemons 581 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 1: one time. I had no idea what to do with them, 582 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: so I preserved them. It's a great idea. I found 583 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: a recipe right here where you can use it in 584 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: all kinds of sauces or or brazen things or yeah, 585 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: this is awesome. It's basically just salt and lemon juice 586 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: and you just put them in a mason jar and 587 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: that and then you've got your preserved lemons that you 588 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: can use for a long time. Very cool. I'm gonna 589 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: give us a try myself. Oh yeah, it's great. And 590 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: also it's a nice visual for your kitchen or your 591 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: cooking area. Uh. You know, I don't know about you, 592 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: but when I see stuff in glass jars in people's kitchens, 593 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: I think that person has their life together. That's probably 594 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: really shallow of me, but you know, I don't know. 595 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: Maybe advertising got to me. But regardless of my opinion 596 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: of glass jars in kitchens, the pandemic was actually pretty 597 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: good for California's lemon farmers. Yes. Uh, they they took 598 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: a pandemic and made it into pandemonade. As I've been 599 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: saving that one for them for the whole episode. But 600 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: I will just leave that right there, and I think 601 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: we can probably leave you right here, fair listeners. What 602 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: do you think, Ben, Yeah, we've discovered that the eighteen 603 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: Spanish flu pandemic led to the rise of the lemon. 604 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: But we should also I think mentioned Don Francisco, the 605 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: irrepressible optimist, the advertising visionary who ushered the lemon into 606 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 1: mainstream American homes. He envisioned the lemon going even further. 607 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 1: He was talking about merchandizing. He said, Look, let's not 608 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: stop with the flu Let's talk about lemon pie. Let's 609 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: talk about lemon shampoo. Let's let's use lemons as a 610 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: fish garnish. Let's use lemons to scour pots and pans. Like. 611 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: At this point, he's basically the oxy clean guy. What 612 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: was that guy's name? You know what I'm talking about? 613 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: Was that Ronco or no ron I don't know. He's 614 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: the senat and forget it, rotisserie chicken guy. But Billy Mays, 615 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: that's Billy Mays. That's the one r I p At 616 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: least he didn't live to see his beloved oxy clean 617 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: uh accidentally become a Bizarro home remedy for COVID nineteen. 618 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: Way to bring it back around, Yeah, because history may 619 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,240 Speaker 1: not repeat, but it sure does seem to rhyme at times. 620 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: You know, this episode is making me increasingly pro lemon. 621 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, But I'm not the 622 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: kind of person who immediately thinks of lemons when they're 623 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: hungry or wanting to snack. That's not unusual, right, most 624 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: people are walking by somewhere getting a little famished and thinking, hmm, 625 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: I sure could use a fresh lemon. Right? You know 626 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: that lyric? And Uh, there's the first song off of 627 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: the Radiohead album kid A. It's called Everything in Its 628 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: Right Place. There's a lyric in that. For the longest 629 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: time I couldn't understand because he's Tom York. But he 630 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: goes yesterday I walk up suck and a lamon. Yesterday 631 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 1: woke up sucking and lamon in the way today I 632 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: woke up sucking a lemon. I think that's a reference 633 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: to the flu pandemic. That's my theory. I can neither 634 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: confirm nor deny that. But he is saying he woke 635 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: up yesterday sucking a lemon. I think you're right. I mean, 636 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: it's pretty clear this is something that Casey told me 637 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: off air. It's pretty clear that most of Radioheads discography 638 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: is inspired by the nineteen eighteen Spanish flu epidemic. Casey, 639 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: can you confirm that? Yeah, A few people realize this, 640 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: but your your spot on done Casey on the case. 641 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: I just wanted to add that the lyrics on that album, 642 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 1: I don't think it's the case with every song, because 643 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: some songs pre date the kid A sessions. But the 644 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: ones that were kind of written in that period, Tom 645 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 1: York just had like fragments of lyrics in a hat, 646 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: and sometimes he would just draw them out of the 647 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: hat and that would kind of be his process for 648 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: writing the song. So I always wonder if Yesterday I 649 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: woke up sucking a lemon was one of those trips 650 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: of paper that he just kind of drew out and 651 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: paired it with that particular song. I never knew that. 652 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: And that is a technique made famous by David Bowie 653 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: and Brian Eno uh like like the cut up method, 654 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: and also will william S Burrows. For a lot of 655 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: his weirder books, he just threw through pieces of paper 656 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: up in the air and assembled them in some semblance 657 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: of of of narrative his wait, Wait, wait, as opposed 658 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: to his normal books, yes, exactly right. As opposed to 659 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:14,359 Speaker 1: like modestly clothed lunch o, Ben, you had you had 660 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 1: me a modestly clothed um. Well, I think this has 661 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: been fun and educational and it's interesting to see all 662 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: these parallels between uh, you know, the nine epidemic and 663 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: the one we're going through right now. I hope everyone's 664 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: staying home, stands safe and uh and being well. Um. 665 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: Huge thanks to super producer Casey Pegram, as always, Alex 666 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: Williams who composed our theme. Christopher hasiotis here in spirit 667 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: and big thanks of course as always to Gaye Bluesier. 668 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 1: A personal heartfelt thank you to our own big Lemon, 669 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, a k a. The Quister. He's sort of 670 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 1: like he's he's he's like a human uh lemon squeeze 671 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 1: in like an open cut, that is how he describes 672 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: himself on social media. And of course, big big thanks 673 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: to the lemon itself, whether preserved, whether as a wedge 674 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 1: with your green vegetables or as a I don't know, Casey, 675 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: how do you guys like to cook with lemons? Really, 676 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: just a nice little squeeze here and there, a little 677 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: bit of a zest of the skin. Um, that's what 678 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: really makes the flavor last. The lemon juice flavor will 679 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: kind of cook out if you do it too early 680 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: in the process. But that zest is a lot more potent. 681 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: I think I've got to go get a glass jar. 682 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time, folks. For more podcasts for 683 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: my heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcast, 684 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.