WEBVTT - Fox News is a Hoe | MiniPod

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<v Speaker 1>Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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<v Speaker 2>Well Come, well come, well come, well come, well come.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome.

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<v Speaker 4>In this house.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess that's how we're starting it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there's some hoes in this house, but not on

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast. Welcome home everyone. We are thrilled to be

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<v Speaker 1>with you here. They'll to be with you today. We

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<v Speaker 1>are talking about what are we talking about again?

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<v Speaker 6>We're talking about So this week on the podcast, Angela

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<v Speaker 6>was incensed because Fox News ran a story Surprise Surprise,

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<v Speaker 6>that was misrepresenting what happened at the State of the

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<v Speaker 6>People tour, and she was getting upset about it, and

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, who cares, Like, ninety four percent of their

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<v Speaker 6>audience is white, they're conservative people, and she's like, but

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<v Speaker 6>they get all the numbers. So that got into a

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<v Speaker 6>conversation should we care about what they're thinking, what they're doing?

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<v Speaker 6>And Angela brought up the point that sometimes our black outlets,

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<v Speaker 6>mainly social media, will take a story from Fox News

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<v Speaker 6>and use their language and everything and run it, which

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<v Speaker 6>again they depend on y'all to do. So I just thought, Oh,

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<v Speaker 6>that's a good conversation. One do we same on the

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<v Speaker 6>outlets that do that because y'all are part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe y'all don't know any better. But also, should we

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<v Speaker 6>care what white folks think? Should we be talking to

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<v Speaker 6>white people? And should we care what they think? That's

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<v Speaker 6>the question on the table. I got my thoughts, but

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<v Speaker 6>I'll let you you say yes, Andrew.

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<v Speaker 4>Should we care what white people think?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>And should we care what they watch because it shapes

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<v Speaker 3>how they feel and then how they move and how they.

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<v Speaker 4>Act, and because that can impact us. Yeah, I do care.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, now I don't. I don't make it. So I'll

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<v Speaker 3>give you this example. Miss, what is it most wanted America?

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<v Speaker 3>Most wanted?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 3>I was, because I'm liable to say a lot other

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<v Speaker 3>different things, right, But but I would I would get

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<v Speaker 3>really upset in my local paper because they would put

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<v Speaker 3>pictures of last night's arrest and it almost always seemed

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<v Speaker 3>to be like just a parade of black faces. And

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<v Speaker 3>maybe I just only saw the faces that were black,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but it was really pronounced to me,

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<v Speaker 3>and the cop shows that all the run in is

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<v Speaker 3>happen to always be with black people.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm thinking white people know where you know, create crime.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't do any crimes. And that that.

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<v Speaker 3>And we wonder why people clutch their purse, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when a black man is approaching or walking past. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>my wife is great because she does the exact opposite, right,

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<v Speaker 3>like she sees somebody, she's grabbing her person, hitting the

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<v Speaker 3>alarm on the car to say, you know, you're not

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<v Speaker 3>safe as far as I'm concerned. But that stuff starts

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<v Speaker 3>to shat, imagery begins to shape exactly how we are

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<v Speaker 3>perceived and how we get interacted with. When when their

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<v Speaker 3>excuse for every black person who has a job of

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<v Speaker 3>any import is that they got it because they were

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<v Speaker 3>black and.

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<v Speaker 4>Mildly qualified, but not all the way.

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<v Speaker 3>That's because it's being shaped by a whole narrative that

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<v Speaker 3>they're being fed day in and day out. That says

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<v Speaker 3>a thing, now, mind you, I think it undergirds what

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<v Speaker 3>they probably, you know, at a very base level level think.

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<v Speaker 3>But nonetheless, if we don't have disruptors to that, if

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<v Speaker 3>there is never a counter narrative, then we got a

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<v Speaker 3>whole bunch of folks out here walking around with a bowl,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a big old bag of falsehoods as a

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<v Speaker 3>lens by which we get viewed through. We can't help

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<v Speaker 3>it always, y'all. In fact, I think we can help

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<v Speaker 3>it very little, but that doesn't mean we.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't try well.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the thing, right, I like, I think

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<v Speaker 1>Tif and I have talked about this. Tiff used to

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<v Speaker 1>go on Fox News, and so, Tiff, I'm actually curious

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<v Speaker 1>for you what changed in your thinking because there was

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<v Speaker 1>a point where you were like, Oh, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>on here and least at least and maybe I'm projecting,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm thinking you're like, I'm gonna go out here

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<v Speaker 1>and make sure there's somebody on here telling y' all

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<v Speaker 1>the truth and versus now where you like, forget you

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<v Speaker 1>hoes not hosts.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, so nothing changed I did. I used to

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<v Speaker 6>do Fox News twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I used to

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<v Speaker 6>do Harris Faulkner her show and maybe some maybe some

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<v Speaker 6>other shows. I would be honest why I went on

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<v Speaker 6>those shows. I don't want to say our friend who

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<v Speaker 6>gets mad every time I mentioned his name on air,

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<v Speaker 6>but uh, I'm saying it. Albert he was. But it

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<v Speaker 6>was great training ground because I had been a producer,

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<v Speaker 6>executive producer all that before, but being on camera and

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<v Speaker 6>so he would antagonize me and interrupt me, and be

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<v Speaker 6>nasty to me and rude to me, and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>poke holes at every point I made, and just be

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<v Speaker 6>obnoxious because his point was if you can handle that,

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<v Speaker 6>He would prepare people on Capitol Hill, like the Benghazi

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<v Speaker 6>hearings like that was in his work portfolio, so he

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<v Speaker 6>would handle me the same way. And his point is

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<v Speaker 6>if you can handle that, then you should be able

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<v Speaker 6>to handle any platform. And so he thought, like you

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<v Speaker 6>should go on Fox News and do some of their programming. Now,

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<v Speaker 6>I will say that was like right at the beginning

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<v Speaker 6>of the Trump administration, and my ignorance and perhaps a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit of naivete at that time is I did

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<v Speaker 6>not know how bad things would get. I thought that

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<v Speaker 6>there would be a time where we could all at

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<v Speaker 6>least agree on basic facts. And at that time I

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<v Speaker 6>did not look at, or view or experience Fox News

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<v Speaker 6>as the danger that they are now. They were always just,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, a problematic network and you know, right wing network.

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<v Speaker 6>But I do think they shifted as they got emboldened

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<v Speaker 6>during the Trump administration to something that I couldn't do.

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<v Speaker 6>So I did it a few times, and I stopped

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<v Speaker 6>doing it, and I will say Harris Faulkner took me

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<v Speaker 6>to lunch because I refuse to do the network after

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<v Speaker 6>like maybe five appearances, because every time I did it,

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<v Speaker 6>I would be flooded with very specific death threats and

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<v Speaker 6>not just like you know, I always call it a niggers,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna kill you nigger. Even some of the emails

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<v Speaker 6>were like America's not racist.

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<v Speaker 5>For sure, for sure, but you convinced me.

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<v Speaker 6>You convinced me, But.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not racist, you dumb. I mean they literally you

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<v Speaker 5>get off.

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<v Speaker 1>But your brain is smaller, like they literally they love

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<v Speaker 1>to send over like, oh, but you're not racist.

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<v Speaker 6>Just starting specific in the sense of like I'm going

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<v Speaker 6>to rape you or I'm gonna watch you get raped

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<v Speaker 6>and just things. And then they started not only attacking me,

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<v Speaker 6>but anybody who followed me. You know, this is when

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<v Speaker 6>I was like so active on Facebook, and they would

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<v Speaker 6>like go on my mom's page, my friend page, and

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<v Speaker 6>it just didn't seem like a good use of time.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's my own journey. But I think in terms

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<v Speaker 6>of viewership, you know, some people say like, oh, we've

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<v Speaker 6>got to know what both sides are thinking, and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I just wonder. Sometimes when we give oxygen to something,

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<v Speaker 6>we make it bigger than what it is. And so

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<v Speaker 6>if you know, if one person is screaming in the

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<v Speaker 6>air on Fox News that you know Tiffany Crosses, like

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<v Speaker 6>you know Tiffany cross is running holes on K Street.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, Like I don't know how many people, Well

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<v Speaker 6>you brought up.

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<v Speaker 3>You brought it up, sir and alone, and I said

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<v Speaker 3>host in the audio back.

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<v Speaker 6>But it's like, yes, be sure to you get to

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<v Speaker 6>understand the the whole perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the whole, the whole perspective, the whole entire and

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew is silent and Fox News just carry right.

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<v Speaker 6>So I don't know, I like I do think sometimes

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<v Speaker 6>when you give things oxygen, it becomes bigger, like you're

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<v Speaker 6>introducing it and it's like people you're looking at a

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<v Speaker 6>car wreck, and it's like, stop looking at it, Stop

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<v Speaker 6>giving them our eyes, stop giving them our viewership, stop

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<v Speaker 6>giving them free promo.

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<v Speaker 5>But I you know, Andrew, what you.

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<v Speaker 4>Said is kind of said that they're going to run

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<v Speaker 4>it on rotation anyway.

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<v Speaker 6>But what you said is like what we kind of

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<v Speaker 6>have to care about what they're thinking about, because that's

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<v Speaker 6>going to inform how they feel, So maybe yes, which

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<v Speaker 6>is which is? And that can be dangerous to our

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<v Speaker 6>physical person. It can be our violence to our physical person.

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<v Speaker 6>It can be structural violence to our lives. So I

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<v Speaker 6>get that point. So maybe I should adjust that and

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<v Speaker 6>say I don't care about foxes, like I don't want

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<v Speaker 6>to subject myself to seeing those things, because, like Angela,

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<v Speaker 6>the re action, like your visible reaction to seeing it

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<v Speaker 6>is how I feel inside. But it's not just Fox.

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<v Speaker 6>That's how I feel inside when I read the papers,

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<v Speaker 6>It's how I feel when I watch BBCC and and

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<v Speaker 6>all of it. It's like the chaos of today. So

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<v Speaker 6>I have to choose my piece. And it's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not going to volunteer to go look at Fox or

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<v Speaker 6>talk about Fox because that is just foolishness and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>not worth my time, and it's just going to add

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<v Speaker 6>inks to me. But quite honestly, everything is added inks

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<v Speaker 6>to me these days.

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<v Speaker 7>But I don't know, Yeah, Angela, how do you handle it?

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say we had a whole, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I thought about how again it is just so tragic.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll never be able to say handle no.

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<v Speaker 1>But I said we had a whole, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a whole We had a whole conversation at

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<v Speaker 1>the State of the people think about not letting Fox

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<v Speaker 1>come in, like the whole. So a part of what

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading, I was like, now, how did they

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<v Speaker 1>even get this? So maybe they just you know, picked

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<v Speaker 1>up or saw the stream, but I was just like

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<v Speaker 1>we there was there were they were clamoring to get

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<v Speaker 1>cameras in there, and you knew it wasn't because they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to spread relief, to ensure black people got relief

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<v Speaker 1>at the event.

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<v Speaker 6>And I didn't let him.

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<v Speaker 1>A part of no, I don't believe somebody might have,

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<v Speaker 1>but we had a whole conversation about we don't want

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<v Speaker 1>them in here because the intention is not right.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not to even cover, you know, without bias.

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<v Speaker 1>It is to try to catch the mayor up and

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<v Speaker 1>something we knew that was going to be the case.

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<v Speaker 1>He showed up in his official capacity, not as it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a rally for him as governor. It wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>rally for anyone running for office.

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<v Speaker 4>This was an it was a black flag burning. Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that's how they That's how they handled right today, Just.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're super clear, because they keep being sarcastic on

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<v Speaker 1>these podcasts. It was an event so people could feel

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<v Speaker 1>empowered at a time where our hope is being stolen

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<v Speaker 1>from us every single day.

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<v Speaker 5>And I just think that.

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<v Speaker 1>To go from the morning conversations we're having about the

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<v Speaker 1>best way to get relief to Newark residents and then

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<v Speaker 1>for them their takeaway for it to be this when

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<v Speaker 1>there were gun violence prevention workshops and all of these

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<v Speaker 1>incredible things going on, how to mobilize people, how to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, help folks who are homeless, how to help

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<v Speaker 1>pay utility bills?

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<v Speaker 5>Like why are y'all even on this? And I think

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<v Speaker 5>that the reality of it is tip to your point.

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<v Speaker 5>There are so many.

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<v Speaker 1>People who are clearly watching Fox who sit in those

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<v Speaker 1>same income brackets of the people that were trying to help.

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<v Speaker 5>And the real aully.

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<v Speaker 1>Here should be the poor folks who are black and brown,

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<v Speaker 1>because there are so much more in common then there

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<v Speaker 1>is difference, and they can't see it because they want

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<v Speaker 1>to be cloaked in their whiteness in ways that will

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<v Speaker 1>make them feel more comfortable, even if that means ignore

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<v Speaker 1>my nightmare and let me strive for this dream that

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<v Speaker 1>is completely out of reach, but it would be in

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<v Speaker 1>reach if I just was in coalition with these poor

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<v Speaker 1>black and brown people.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I wish for the life of me that

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<v Speaker 1>we could cut through because I know our intention is

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<v Speaker 1>so good. Like this isn't about going viral or creating

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<v Speaker 1>space for people in leadership or trying to get somebody

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<v Speaker 1>more found.

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<v Speaker 5>This really is about the ray Lewises of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Or Kenya Kenya at the event who talked about living

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<v Speaker 1>in a motel who regularly brings food to the other

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<v Speaker 1>elders who are in this motel.

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<v Speaker 5>So she is unhoused and she.

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<v Speaker 1>Volunteered with us from seven am to seven pm.

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<v Speaker 3>But don't nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>Wants to tell that story because that's not clickbaitable enough.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd rather like go on here and say, oh, Mayor

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<v Speaker 1>rest called himself David, I wonder who the glith.

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<v Speaker 5>Is, bisch, We know who the glithe is. We are

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<v Speaker 5>not confused.

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<v Speaker 1>You are feigning confusion because that gets you the clicks.

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<v Speaker 6>And about the mayor, respectfully, I would click on, well

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<v Speaker 6>you would, but.

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<v Speaker 1>You got some sense, You got morals, and you have compassion,

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<v Speaker 1>tif and you got empathy. You got a convergence of

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<v Speaker 1>all things that make you beautiful before we even get

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<v Speaker 1>to your lashes, honey, right like you know, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like this is and we and not the whole lashes

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<v Speaker 1>and you're just lashes snuff.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't call the kids lashes whole lashes.

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<v Speaker 4>I even saying, I didn't say anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying to keep the holes out of this. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, or maybe bring them in. Actually bring

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<v Speaker 1>them in, bring the holes into this conversation because the welcome.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, welcome, yeah, because maybe the news they need. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 6>we really are let me, sex workers is really what

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<v Speaker 6>I'm talking about? Sex workers?

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<v Speaker 3>And got that technical, I know, but I was and

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<v Speaker 3>that was host That's all I said.

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<v Speaker 6>And I thought he said what he said, I are

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<v Speaker 6>you whole?

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<v Speaker 4>Just trying to I'll say this point that's on point, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is I don't think that other minority groups who who

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<v Speaker 3>should be in common cause with us, like in real life,

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<v Speaker 3>in common cause with us, are going to find common

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<v Speaker 3>cause until they determine that the approximate value for coalition

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<v Speaker 3>with US is greater than their approximate closeness to whiteness

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<v Speaker 3>and what whiteness brings in society.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't think any group is going to find

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<v Speaker 4>residents or residents with our cause, even no matter how

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<v Speaker 4>common you know, we share it, until they determine that

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<v Speaker 4>being closer to that group will advantage me in society

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<v Speaker 4>more than being close to that group. And right now,

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<v Speaker 4>in every way, shape and form, society reinforces that your

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<v Speaker 4>approximation and proximity to whiteness, if you can claim it,

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<v Speaker 4>will bring you greater access, more power, more money, more

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<v Speaker 4>ways to maneuver in society than being with that group.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just think at every level it has to

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<v Speaker 3>be disrupted. It's one of the things I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>ask the mayor, but I know we had a lot

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<v Speaker 3>to try to get to cover. Is he's got a

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<v Speaker 3>large Hispanic population that he's got to appeal to the

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<v Speaker 3>in the state as he faces a general election. And

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<v Speaker 3>as you know very intimately, Angela and and TIF peripherally

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<v Speaker 3>peripherally for you, is that certainly in a state like Florida,

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<v Speaker 3>the ways in which you are going to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>a detention facility that may be illegally housing those who

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<v Speaker 3>don't have proper paperwork in this country is going to

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<v Speaker 3>land differently. Talking to Hispanics or folks from Latin American

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<v Speaker 3>countries here, then maybe it will in New Jersey because

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<v Speaker 3>they don't want to be approximate to an immigrant who

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<v Speaker 3>is he or without papers.

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<v Speaker 4>And we got to get yousolation. It wants to be

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<v Speaker 4>close to those who would be.

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<v Speaker 3>Enforcing the laws against people who are here without papers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so I just I think it's a difficult formula. But

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<v Speaker 3>I do think on the base at the most basic level,

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<v Speaker 3>when we have to ask ourselves these questions, why aren't

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<v Speaker 3>we in greater coalition, we are dealing with the same stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>They want both of us down under their under their

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<v Speaker 3>knee at every you know, at every competition.

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<v Speaker 6>And you got to consider New yor Riecans. Puerto Ricans

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<v Speaker 6>in New York are different than Cubans in Florida are different.

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<v Speaker 4>Multiple generations in Cary.

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<v Speaker 6>Is different than Mexicans in la like there are. So

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<v Speaker 6>you have to disaggregate this. Because the white man came

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<v Speaker 6>along and say, okay, we call on y' all Hispanics,

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<v Speaker 6>that doesn't mean that this is all the same group

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<v Speaker 6>of people. So we just I don't know, I'm concerned

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<v Speaker 6>about about our ours.

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<v Speaker 4>They incentivized toward the same outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to tell y'all since we were supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about press a little bit, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to say one thing that I have been really shocked

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<v Speaker 1>to hear consistently is how many people tune into our

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<v Speaker 1>podcast to get correct political information and marching orders about

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<v Speaker 1>what to do next. And I think that's really anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we were in the clear. I thought we

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<v Speaker 1>were in the freak. I thought we were in the clear. No, what's.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll do it live. We'll do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Livetering off the tracks.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost underground or overground round right if there wasn't tracks,

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<v Speaker 1>lest am I right?

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<v Speaker 6>Drama about that made a plaint about how like people

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<v Speaker 6>tune into us and on legacy media, mainstream media. They

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<v Speaker 6>constantly played clips from like Kara Swishers podcast and like

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<v Speaker 6>Joe Rogan's podcast, and we have had during DNC, we

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<v Speaker 6>had guests that nobody else had on this show. We

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<v Speaker 6>have insight and opinion and thought that it just doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>matter to them, you know, like it really just doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>You're in their competition and not their compliment.

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<v Speaker 6>But those other people are their competition, and they they

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<v Speaker 6>what matters to them is white thought they center. Oh,

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<v Speaker 6>I see what you're saying, Andrew, because they maybe no

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<v Speaker 6>book like Karro Swisher gets numbers, like there are other

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<v Speaker 6>people who get numbers, and it's like when they say something,

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<v Speaker 6>it's like, oh, let's play this sound bite from this who.

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<v Speaker 4>Gives a shape numbers and service the podcast.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's fine.

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<v Speaker 5>So boring people's podcasts I don't care about.

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<v Speaker 4>I shouldn't say that.

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<v Speaker 6>I said that, so I shouldn't say that. But like

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<v Speaker 6>even pod Save America, no this to them. But even

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<v Speaker 6>like people talk about their podcast and I'll listen, and

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know that I have heard some great insights

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<v Speaker 6>from voices. Sometimes it can come across a bit monotonous.

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<v Speaker 4>Well you just need to give greater approximation to white

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<v Speaker 4>people clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So I don't know what's happening here today,

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<v Speaker 1>but all of the post, we're gonna go.

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<v Speaker 5>right in it.

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