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Speaker 6: We're talking about So this week on the podcast, Angela
Speaker 6: was incensed because Fox News ran a story Surprise Surprise,
Speaker 6: that was misrepresenting what happened at the State of the
Speaker 6: People tour, and she was getting upset about it, and
Speaker 6: I'm like, who cares, Like, ninety four percent of their
Speaker 6: audience is white, they're conservative people, and she's like, but
Speaker 6: they get all the numbers. So that got into a
Speaker 6: conversation should we care about what they're thinking, what they're doing?
Speaker 6: And Angela brought up the point that sometimes our black outlets,
Speaker 6: mainly social media, will take a story from Fox News
Speaker 6: and use their language and everything and run it, which
Speaker 6: again they depend on y'all to do. So I just thought, Oh,
Speaker 6: that's a good conversation. One do we same on the
Speaker 6: outlets that do that because y'all are part of the problem.
Speaker 6: Maybe y'all don't know any better. But also, should we
Speaker 6: care what white folks think? Should we be talking to
Speaker 6: white people? And should we care what they think? That's
Speaker 6: the question on the table. I got my thoughts, but
Speaker 6: I'll let you you say yes, Andrew.
Speaker 4: Should we care what white people think?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And should we care what they watch because it shapes
Speaker 3: how they feel and then how they move and how they.
Speaker 4: Act, and because that can impact us. Yeah, I do care.
Speaker 3: Now, now I don't. I don't make it. So I'll
Speaker 3: give you this example. Miss, what is it most wanted America?
Speaker 3: Most wanted?
Speaker 4: I don't know what.
Speaker 3: I was, because I'm liable to say a lot other
Speaker 3: different things, right, But but I would I would get
Speaker 3: really upset in my local paper because they would put
Speaker 3: pictures of last night's arrest and it almost always seemed
Speaker 3: to be like just a parade of black faces. And
Speaker 3: maybe I just only saw the faces that were black,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it was really pronounced to me,
Speaker 3: and the cop shows that all the run in is
Speaker 3: happen to always be with black people.
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking white people know where you know, create crime.
Speaker 4: They don't do any crimes. And that that.
Speaker 3: And we wonder why people clutch their purse, you know,
Speaker 3: when a black man is approaching or walking past. Now,
Speaker 3: my wife is great because she does the exact opposite, right,
Speaker 3: like she sees somebody, she's grabbing her person, hitting the
Speaker 3: alarm on the car to say, you know, you're not
Speaker 3: safe as far as I'm concerned. But that stuff starts
Speaker 3: to shat, imagery begins to shape exactly how we are
Speaker 3: perceived and how we get interacted with. When when their
Speaker 3: excuse for every black person who has a job of
Speaker 3: any import is that they got it because they were
Speaker 3: black and.
Speaker 4: Mildly qualified, but not all the way.
Speaker 3: That's because it's being shaped by a whole narrative that
Speaker 3: they're being fed day in and day out. That says
Speaker 3: a thing, now, mind you, I think it undergirds what
Speaker 3: they probably, you know, at a very base level level think.
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, if we don't have disruptors to that, if
Speaker 3: there is never a counter narrative, then we got a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of folks out here walking around with a bowl,
Speaker 3: you know, a big old bag of falsehoods as a
Speaker 3: lens by which we get viewed through. We can't help
Speaker 3: it always, y'all. In fact, I think we can help
Speaker 3: it very little, but that doesn't mean we.
Speaker 4: Don't try well.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing, right, I like, I think
Speaker 1: Tif and I have talked about this. Tiff used to
Speaker 1: go on Fox News, and so, Tiff, I'm actually curious
Speaker 1: for you what changed in your thinking because there was
Speaker 1: a point where you were like, Oh, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: on here and least at least and maybe I'm projecting,
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking you're like, I'm gonna go out here
Speaker 1: and make sure there's somebody on here telling y' all
Speaker 1: the truth and versus now where you like, forget you
Speaker 1: hoes not hosts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so nothing changed I did. I used to
Speaker 6: do Fox News twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I used to
Speaker 6: do Harris Faulkner her show and maybe some maybe some
Speaker 6: other shows. I would be honest why I went on
Speaker 6: those shows. I don't want to say our friend who
Speaker 6: gets mad every time I mentioned his name on air,
Speaker 6: but uh, I'm saying it. Albert he was. But it
Speaker 6: was great training ground because I had been a producer,
Speaker 6: executive producer all that before, but being on camera and
Speaker 6: so he would antagonize me and interrupt me, and be
Speaker 6: nasty to me and rude to me, and you know,
Speaker 6: poke holes at every point I made, and just be
Speaker 6: obnoxious because his point was if you can handle that,
Speaker 6: He would prepare people on Capitol Hill, like the Benghazi
Speaker 6: hearings like that was in his work portfolio, so he
Speaker 6: would handle me the same way. And his point is
Speaker 6: if you can handle that, then you should be able
Speaker 6: to handle any platform. And so he thought, like you
Speaker 6: should go on Fox News and do some of their programming. Now,
Speaker 6: I will say that was like right at the beginning
Speaker 6: of the Trump administration, and my ignorance and perhaps a
Speaker 6: little bit of naivete at that time is I did
Speaker 6: not know how bad things would get. I thought that
Speaker 6: there would be a time where we could all at
Speaker 6: least agree on basic facts. And at that time I
Speaker 6: did not look at, or view or experience Fox News
Speaker 6: as the danger that they are now. They were always just,
Speaker 6: you know, a problematic network and you know, right wing network.
Speaker 6: But I do think they shifted as they got emboldened
Speaker 6: during the Trump administration to something that I couldn't do.
Speaker 6: So I did it a few times, and I stopped
Speaker 6: doing it, and I will say Harris Faulkner took me
Speaker 6: to lunch because I refuse to do the network after
Speaker 6: like maybe five appearances, because every time I did it,
Speaker 6: I would be flooded with very specific death threats and
Speaker 6: not just like you know, I always call it a niggers,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna kill you nigger. Even some of the emails
Speaker 6: were like America's not racist.
Speaker 5: For sure, for sure, but you convinced me.
Speaker 6: You convinced me, But.
Speaker 5: They're not racist, you dumb. I mean they literally you
Speaker 5: get off.
Speaker 1: But your brain is smaller, like they literally they love
Speaker 1: to send over like, oh, but you're not racist.
Speaker 6: Just starting specific in the sense of like I'm going
Speaker 6: to rape you or I'm gonna watch you get raped
Speaker 6: and just things. And then they started not only attacking me,
Speaker 6: but anybody who followed me. You know, this is when
Speaker 6: I was like so active on Facebook, and they would
Speaker 6: like go on my mom's page, my friend page, and
Speaker 6: it just didn't seem like a good use of time.
Speaker 6: So that's my own journey. But I think in terms
Speaker 6: of viewership, you know, some people say like, oh, we've
Speaker 6: got to know what both sides are thinking, and you know,
Speaker 6: I just wonder. Sometimes when we give oxygen to something,
Speaker 6: we make it bigger than what it is. And so
Speaker 6: if you know, if one person is screaming in the
Speaker 6: air on Fox News that you know Tiffany Crosses, like
Speaker 6: you know Tiffany cross is running holes on K Street.
Speaker 6: You know, Like I don't know how many people, Well
Speaker 6: you brought up.
Speaker 3: You brought it up, sir and alone, and I said
Speaker 3: host in the audio back.
Speaker 6: But it's like, yes, be sure to you get to
Speaker 6: understand the the whole perspective.
Speaker 1: Of the whole, the whole perspective, the whole entire and
Speaker 1: Andrew is silent and Fox News just carry right.
Speaker 6: So I don't know, I like I do think sometimes
Speaker 6: when you give things oxygen, it becomes bigger, like you're
Speaker 6: introducing it and it's like people you're looking at a
Speaker 6: car wreck, and it's like, stop looking at it, Stop
Speaker 6: giving them our eyes, stop giving them our viewership, stop
Speaker 6: giving them free promo.
Speaker 5: But I you know, Andrew, what you.
Speaker 4: Said is kind of said that they're going to run
Speaker 4: it on rotation anyway.
Speaker 6: But what you said is like what we kind of
Speaker 6: have to care about what they're thinking about, because that's
Speaker 6: going to inform how they feel, So maybe yes, which
Speaker 6: is which is? And that can be dangerous to our
Speaker 6: physical person. It can be our violence to our physical person.
Speaker 6: It can be structural violence to our lives. So I
Speaker 6: get that point. So maybe I should adjust that and
Speaker 6: say I don't care about foxes, like I don't want
Speaker 6: to subject myself to seeing those things, because, like Angela,
Speaker 6: the re action, like your visible reaction to seeing it
Speaker 6: is how I feel inside. But it's not just Fox.
Speaker 6: That's how I feel inside when I read the papers,
Speaker 6: It's how I feel when I watch BBCC and and
Speaker 6: all of it. It's like the chaos of today. So
Speaker 6: I have to choose my piece. And it's like, I'm
Speaker 6: not going to volunteer to go look at Fox or
Speaker 6: talk about Fox because that is just foolishness and you know,
Speaker 6: not worth my time, and it's just going to add
Speaker 6: inks to me. But quite honestly, everything is added inks
Speaker 6: to me these days.
Speaker 7: But I don't know, Yeah, Angela, how do you handle it?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say we had a whole, and then
Speaker 1: I thought about how again it is just so tragic.
Speaker 5: I'll never be able to say handle no.
Speaker 1: But I said we had a whole, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we had a whole We had a whole conversation at
Speaker 1: the State of the people think about not letting Fox
Speaker 1: come in, like the whole. So a part of what
Speaker 1: I was reading, I was like, now, how did they
Speaker 1: even get this? So maybe they just you know, picked
Speaker 1: up or saw the stream, but I was just like
Speaker 1: we there was there were they were clamoring to get
Speaker 1: cameras in there, and you knew it wasn't because they
Speaker 1: wanted to spread relief, to ensure black people got relief
Speaker 1: at the event.
Speaker 6: And I didn't let him.
Speaker 1: A part of no, I don't believe somebody might have,
Speaker 1: but we had a whole conversation about we don't want
Speaker 1: them in here because the intention is not right.
Speaker 5: It's not to even cover, you know, without bias.
Speaker 1: It is to try to catch the mayor up and
Speaker 1: something we knew that was going to be the case.
Speaker 1: He showed up in his official capacity, not as it
Speaker 1: wasn't a rally for him as governor. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: rally for anyone running for office.
Speaker 4: This was an it was a black flag burning. Uh.
Speaker 4: I mean that's how they That's how they handled right today, Just.
Speaker 1: So we're super clear, because they keep being sarcastic on
Speaker 1: these podcasts. It was an event so people could feel
Speaker 1: empowered at a time where our hope is being stolen
Speaker 1: from us every single day.
Speaker 5: And I just think that.
Speaker 1: To go from the morning conversations we're having about the
Speaker 1: best way to get relief to Newark residents and then
Speaker 1: for them their takeaway for it to be this when
Speaker 1: there were gun violence prevention workshops and all of these
Speaker 1: incredible things going on, how to mobilize people, how to
Speaker 1: you know, help folks who are homeless, how to help
Speaker 1: pay utility bills?
Speaker 5: Like why are y'all even on this? And I think
Speaker 5: that the reality of it is tip to your point.
Speaker 5: There are so many.
Speaker 1: People who are clearly watching Fox who sit in those
Speaker 1: same income brackets of the people that were trying to help.
Speaker 5: And the real aully.
Speaker 1: Here should be the poor folks who are black and brown,
Speaker 1: because there are so much more in common then there
Speaker 1: is difference, and they can't see it because they want
Speaker 1: to be cloaked in their whiteness in ways that will
Speaker 1: make them feel more comfortable, even if that means ignore
Speaker 1: my nightmare and let me strive for this dream that
Speaker 1: is completely out of reach, but it would be in
Speaker 1: reach if I just was in coalition with these poor
Speaker 1: black and brown people.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like I wish for the life of me that
Speaker 1: we could cut through because I know our intention is
Speaker 1: so good. Like this isn't about going viral or creating
Speaker 1: space for people in leadership or trying to get somebody
Speaker 1: more found.
Speaker 5: This really is about the ray Lewises of the world.
Speaker 1: Or Kenya Kenya at the event who talked about living
Speaker 1: in a motel who regularly brings food to the other
Speaker 1: elders who are in this motel.
Speaker 5: So she is unhoused and she.
Speaker 1: Volunteered with us from seven am to seven pm.
Speaker 3: But don't nobody.
Speaker 1: Wants to tell that story because that's not clickbaitable enough.
Speaker 1: You'd rather like go on here and say, oh, Mayor
Speaker 1: rest called himself David, I wonder who the glith.
Speaker 5: Is, bisch, We know who the glithe is. We are
Speaker 5: not confused.
Speaker 1: You are feigning confusion because that gets you the clicks.
Speaker 6: And about the mayor, respectfully, I would click on, well
Speaker 6: you would, but.
Speaker 1: You got some sense, You got morals, and you have compassion,
Speaker 1: tif and you got empathy. You got a convergence of
Speaker 1: all things that make you beautiful before we even get
Speaker 1: to your lashes, honey, right like you know, so I'm
Speaker 1: like this is and we and not the whole lashes
Speaker 1: and you're just lashes snuff.
Speaker 5: I don't call the kids lashes whole lashes.
Speaker 4: I even saying, I didn't say anyway.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying to keep the holes out of this. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, or maybe bring them in. Actually bring
Speaker 1: them in, bring the holes into this conversation because the welcome.
Speaker 6: Yeah, welcome, yeah, because maybe the news they need. Honestly,
Speaker 6: we really are let me, sex workers is really what
Speaker 6: I'm talking about? Sex workers?
Speaker 3: And got that technical, I know, but I was and
Speaker 3: that was host That's all I said.
Speaker 6: And I thought he said what he said, I are
Speaker 6: you whole?
Speaker 4: Just trying to I'll say this point that's on point, which.
Speaker 3: Is I don't think that other minority groups who who
Speaker 3: should be in common cause with us, like in real life,
Speaker 3: in common cause with us, are going to find common
Speaker 3: cause until they determine that the approximate value for coalition
Speaker 3: with US is greater than their approximate closeness to whiteness
Speaker 3: and what whiteness brings in society.
Speaker 4: And I don't think any group is going to find
Speaker 4: residents or residents with our cause, even no matter how
Speaker 4: common you know, we share it, until they determine that
Speaker 4: being closer to that group will advantage me in society
Speaker 4: more than being close to that group. And right now,
Speaker 4: in every way, shape and form, society reinforces that your
Speaker 4: approximation and proximity to whiteness, if you can claim it,
Speaker 4: will bring you greater access, more power, more money, more
Speaker 4: ways to maneuver in society than being with that group.
Speaker 3: And I just think at every level it has to
Speaker 3: be disrupted. It's one of the things I wanted to
Speaker 3: ask the mayor, but I know we had a lot
Speaker 3: to try to get to cover. Is he's got a
Speaker 3: large Hispanic population that he's got to appeal to the
Speaker 3: in the state as he faces a general election. And
Speaker 3: as you know very intimately, Angela and and TIF peripherally
Speaker 3: peripherally for you, is that certainly in a state like Florida,
Speaker 3: the ways in which you are going to talk about
Speaker 3: a detention facility that may be illegally housing those who
Speaker 3: don't have proper paperwork in this country is going to
Speaker 3: land differently. Talking to Hispanics or folks from Latin American
Speaker 3: countries here, then maybe it will in New Jersey because
Speaker 3: they don't want to be approximate to an immigrant who
Speaker 3: is he or without papers.
Speaker 4: And we got to get yousolation. It wants to be
Speaker 4: close to those who would be.
Speaker 3: Enforcing the laws against people who are here without papers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I just I think it's a difficult formula. But
Speaker 3: I do think on the base at the most basic level,
Speaker 3: when we have to ask ourselves these questions, why aren't
Speaker 3: we in greater coalition, we are dealing with the same stuff.
Speaker 3: They want both of us down under their under their
Speaker 3: knee at every you know, at every competition.
Speaker 6: And you got to consider New yor Riecans. Puerto Ricans
Speaker 6: in New York are different than Cubans in Florida are different.
Speaker 4: Multiple generations in Cary.
Speaker 6: Is different than Mexicans in la like there are. So
Speaker 6: you have to disaggregate this. Because the white man came
Speaker 6: along and say, okay, we call on y' all Hispanics,
Speaker 6: that doesn't mean that this is all the same group
Speaker 6: of people. So we just I don't know, I'm concerned
Speaker 6: about about our ours.
Speaker 4: They incentivized toward the same outcome.
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell y'all since we were supposed to
Speaker 1: be talking about press a little bit, I just want
Speaker 1: to say one thing that I have been really shocked
Speaker 1: to hear consistently is how many people tune into our
Speaker 1: podcast to get correct political information and marching orders about
Speaker 1: what to do next. And I think that's really anyway.
Speaker 1: I thought we were in the clear. I thought we
Speaker 1: were in the freak. I thought we were in the clear. No, what's.
Speaker 5: We'll do it live. We'll do it.
Speaker 4: Livetering off the tracks.
Speaker 1: Almost underground or overground round right if there wasn't tracks,
Speaker 1: lest am I right?
Speaker 6: Drama about that made a plaint about how like people
Speaker 6: tune into us and on legacy media, mainstream media. They
Speaker 6: constantly played clips from like Kara Swishers podcast and like
Speaker 6: Joe Rogan's podcast, and we have had during DNC, we
Speaker 6: had guests that nobody else had on this show. We
Speaker 6: have insight and opinion and thought that it just doesn't
Speaker 6: matter to them, you know, like it really just doesn't.
Speaker 4: You're in their competition and not their compliment.
Speaker 6: But those other people are their competition, and they they
Speaker 6: what matters to them is white thought they center. Oh,
Speaker 6: I see what you're saying, Andrew, because they maybe no
Speaker 6: book like Karro Swisher gets numbers, like there are other
Speaker 6: people who get numbers, and it's like when they say something,
Speaker 6: it's like, oh, let's play this sound bite from this who.
Speaker 4: Gives a shape numbers and service the podcast.
Speaker 6: So that's fine.
Speaker 5: So boring people's podcasts I don't care about.
Speaker 4: I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 6: I said that, so I shouldn't say that. But like
Speaker 6: even pod Save America, no this to them. But even
Speaker 6: like people talk about their podcast and I'll listen, and
Speaker 6: I don't know that I have heard some great insights
Speaker 6: from voices. Sometimes it can come across a bit monotonous.
Speaker 4: Well you just need to give greater approximation to white
Speaker 4: people clearly.
Speaker 1: All right, So I don't know what's happening here today,
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