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Speaker 2: Well Come, well come, well come, well come, well come.

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Speaker 3: Welcome.

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Speaker 4: In this house.

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Speaker 5: I guess that's how we're starting it is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there's some hoes in this house, but not on

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Speaker 1: this podcast. Welcome home everyone. We are thrilled to be

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Speaker 1: with you here. They'll to be with you today. We

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Speaker 1: are talking about what are we talking about again?

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Speaker 6: We're talking about So this week on the podcast, Angela

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Speaker 6: was incensed because Fox News ran a story Surprise Surprise,

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Speaker 6: that was misrepresenting what happened at the State of the

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Speaker 6: People tour, and she was getting upset about it, and

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Speaker 6: I'm like, who cares, Like, ninety four percent of their

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Speaker 6: audience is white, they're conservative people, and she's like, but

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Speaker 6: they get all the numbers. So that got into a

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Speaker 6: conversation should we care about what they're thinking, what they're doing?

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Speaker 6: And Angela brought up the point that sometimes our black outlets,

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Speaker 6: mainly social media, will take a story from Fox News

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Speaker 6: and use their language and everything and run it, which

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Speaker 6: again they depend on y'all to do. So I just thought, Oh,

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Speaker 6: that's a good conversation. One do we same on the

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Speaker 6: outlets that do that because y'all are part of the problem.

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Speaker 6: Maybe y'all don't know any better. But also, should we

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Speaker 6: care what white folks think? Should we be talking to

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Speaker 6: white people? And should we care what they think? That's

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Speaker 6: the question on the table. I got my thoughts, but

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Speaker 6: I'll let you you say yes, Andrew.

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Speaker 4: Should we care what white people think?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And should we care what they watch because it shapes

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Speaker 3: how they feel and then how they move and how they.

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Speaker 4: Act, and because that can impact us. Yeah, I do care.

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Speaker 3: Now, now I don't. I don't make it. So I'll

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Speaker 3: give you this example. Miss, what is it most wanted America?

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Speaker 3: Most wanted?

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Speaker 4: I don't know what.

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Speaker 3: I was, because I'm liable to say a lot other

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Speaker 3: different things, right, But but I would I would get

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Speaker 3: really upset in my local paper because they would put

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Speaker 3: pictures of last night's arrest and it almost always seemed

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Speaker 3: to be like just a parade of black faces. And

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Speaker 3: maybe I just only saw the faces that were black,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but it was really pronounced to me,

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Speaker 3: and the cop shows that all the run in is

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Speaker 3: happen to always be with black people.

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Speaker 4: And I'm thinking white people know where you know, create crime.

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Speaker 4: They don't do any crimes. And that that.

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Speaker 3: And we wonder why people clutch their purse, you know,

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Speaker 3: when a black man is approaching or walking past. Now,

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Speaker 3: my wife is great because she does the exact opposite, right,

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Speaker 3: like she sees somebody, she's grabbing her person, hitting the

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Speaker 3: alarm on the car to say, you know, you're not

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Speaker 3: safe as far as I'm concerned. But that stuff starts

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Speaker 3: to shat, imagery begins to shape exactly how we are

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Speaker 3: perceived and how we get interacted with. When when their

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Speaker 3: excuse for every black person who has a job of

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Speaker 4: Mildly qualified, but not all the way.

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Speaker 3: That's because it's being shaped by a whole narrative that

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Speaker 3: they're being fed day in and day out. That says

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Speaker 3: they probably, you know, at a very base level level think.

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Speaker 3: But nonetheless, if we don't have disruptors to that, if

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Speaker 3: there is never a counter narrative, then we got a

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Speaker 3: whole bunch of folks out here walking around with a bowl,

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Speaker 3: you know, a big old bag of falsehoods as a

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Speaker 3: lens by which we get viewed through. We can't help

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Speaker 3: it always, y'all. In fact, I think we can help

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Speaker 3: it very little, but that doesn't mean we.

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Speaker 4: Don't try well.

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Speaker 1: And this is the thing, right, I like, I think

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Speaker 1: Tif and I have talked about this. Tiff used to

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Speaker 1: go on Fox News, and so, Tiff, I'm actually curious

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Speaker 1: for you what changed in your thinking because there was

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so nothing changed I did. I used to

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Speaker 6: do Fox News twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I used to

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Speaker 6: do Harris Faulkner her show and maybe some maybe some

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Speaker 6: but uh, I'm saying it. Albert he was. But it

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Speaker 6: so he would antagonize me and interrupt me, and be

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Speaker 6: obnoxious because his point was if you can handle that,

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Speaker 6: He would prepare people on Capitol Hill, like the Benghazi

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Speaker 6: if you can handle that, then you should be able

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Speaker 6: to handle any platform. And so he thought, like you

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Speaker 6: should go on Fox News and do some of their programming. Now,

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Speaker 6: I will say that was like right at the beginning

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Speaker 6: did not look at, or view or experience Fox News

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Speaker 6: as the danger that they are now. They were always just,

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Speaker 6: But I do think they shifted as they got emboldened

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Speaker 6: So I did it a few times, and I stopped

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Speaker 6: I would be flooded with very specific death threats and

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna kill you nigger. Even some of the emails

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Speaker 6: were like America's not racist.

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Speaker 5: For sure, for sure, but you convinced me.

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Speaker 6: You convinced me, But.

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Speaker 5: They're not racist, you dumb. I mean they literally you

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Speaker 1: But your brain is smaller, like they literally they love

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Speaker 6: Just starting specific in the sense of like I'm going

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Speaker 6: it just didn't seem like a good use of time.

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Speaker 6: So that's my own journey. But I think in terms

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Speaker 6: I just wonder. Sometimes when we give oxygen to something,

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Speaker 6: if you know, if one person is screaming in the

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Speaker 6: You know, Like I don't know how many people, Well

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Speaker 6: you brought up.

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Speaker 3: You brought it up, sir and alone, and I said

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Speaker 6: But it's like, yes, be sure to you get to

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Speaker 6: understand the the whole perspective.

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Speaker 1: Of the whole, the whole perspective, the whole entire and

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Speaker 1: Andrew is silent and Fox News just carry right.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know, I like I do think sometimes

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Speaker 6: introducing it and it's like people you're looking at a

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Speaker 6: giving them our eyes, stop giving them our viewership, stop

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Speaker 5: But I you know, Andrew, what you.

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Speaker 4: Said is kind of said that they're going to run

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Speaker 6: But what you said is like what we kind of

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Speaker 6: have to care about what they're thinking about, because that's

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Speaker 6: It can be structural violence to our lives. So I

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Speaker 6: say I don't care about foxes, like I don't want

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Speaker 6: the re action, like your visible reaction to seeing it

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Speaker 6: That's how I feel inside when I read the papers,

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Speaker 6: It's how I feel when I watch BBCC and and

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Speaker 6: all of it. It's like the chaos of today. So

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Speaker 6: I have to choose my piece. And it's like, I'm

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Speaker 7: But I don't know, Yeah, Angela, how do you handle it?

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say we had a whole, and then

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Speaker 5: I'll never be able to say handle no.

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Speaker 1: But I said we had a whole, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 6: And I didn't let him.

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Speaker 1: A part of no, I don't believe somebody might have,

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Speaker 1: but we had a whole conversation about we don't want

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Speaker 5: It's not to even cover, you know, without bias.

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Speaker 1: It is to try to catch the mayor up and

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Speaker 1: something we knew that was going to be the case.

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Speaker 1: He showed up in his official capacity, not as it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a rally for him as governor. It wasn't a

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Speaker 4: This was an it was a black flag burning. Uh.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's how they That's how they handled right today, Just.

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Speaker 1: So we're super clear, because they keep being sarcastic on

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Speaker 1: these podcasts. It was an event so people could feel

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Speaker 1: empowered at a time where our hope is being stolen

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Speaker 5: And I just think that.

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Speaker 1: To go from the morning conversations we're having about the

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Speaker 1: best way to get relief to Newark residents and then

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Speaker 1: for them their takeaway for it to be this when

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Speaker 5: Like why are y'all even on this? And I think

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Speaker 1: People who are clearly watching Fox who sit in those

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Speaker 5: And the real aully.

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Speaker 1: Here should be the poor folks who are black and brown,

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: It's like I wish for the life of me that

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Speaker 5: This really is about the ray Lewises of the world.

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Speaker 1: Or Kenya Kenya at the event who talked about living

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Speaker 5: So she is unhoused and she.

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Speaker 1: Volunteered with us from seven am to seven pm.

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Speaker 3: But don't nobody.

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Speaker 1: Wants to tell that story because that's not clickbaitable enough.

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Speaker 1: You'd rather like go on here and say, oh, Mayor

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Speaker 5: Is, bisch, We know who the glithe is. We are

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Speaker 1: You are feigning confusion because that gets you the clicks.

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Speaker 6: And about the mayor, respectfully, I would click on, well

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Speaker 1: You got some sense, You got morals, and you have compassion,

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Speaker 5: I don't call the kids lashes whole lashes.

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Speaker 4: I even saying, I didn't say anyway.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying to keep the holes out of this. Yes,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, welcome, yeah, because maybe the news they need. Honestly,

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Speaker 6: we really are let me, sex workers is really what

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Speaker 6: And I thought he said what he said, I are

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Speaker 4: Just trying to I'll say this point that's on point, which.

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Speaker 3: Is I don't think that other minority groups who who

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Speaker 4: And I don't think any group is going to find

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Speaker 3: And I just think at every level it has to

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Speaker 4: And we got to get yousolation. It wants to be

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Speaker 3: Enforcing the laws against people who are here without papers. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: They want both of us down under their under their

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Speaker 6: And you got to consider New yor Riecans. Puerto Ricans

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Speaker 6: Is different than Mexicans in la like there are. So

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Speaker 6: you have to disaggregate this. Because the white man came

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Speaker 4: They incentivized toward the same outcome.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to tell y'all since we were supposed to

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Speaker 1: I thought we were in the clear. I thought we

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Speaker 5: We'll do it live. We'll do it.

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Speaker 4: Livetering off the tracks.

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Speaker 1: Almost underground or overground round right if there wasn't tracks,

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Speaker 6: Drama about that made a plaint about how like people

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Speaker 6: tune into us and on legacy media, mainstream media. They

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Speaker 6: constantly played clips from like Kara Swishers podcast and like

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Speaker 4: You're in their competition and not their compliment.

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Speaker 6: But those other people are their competition, and they they

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Speaker 6: what matters to them is white thought they center. Oh,

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Speaker 6: I see what you're saying, Andrew, because they maybe no

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Speaker 6: book like Karro Swisher gets numbers, like there are other

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Speaker 4: Gives a shape numbers and service the podcast.

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Speaker 6: So that's fine.

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Speaker 5: So boring people's podcasts I don't care about.

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't say that.

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Speaker 6: I said that, so I shouldn't say that. But like

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Speaker 6: I don't know that I have heard some great insights

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Speaker 4: Well you just need to give greater approximation to white

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Speaker 1: All right, So I don't know what's happening here today,

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