1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Works dot Com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglass, and 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: we are continuing our journey through the seven Deadly Sins, 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: through the sort of the psychology of each sin, the 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: science of each sin, and uh, we find ourselves, interestingly enough, 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: only standing in the second circle of Hell. If we're 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: using Dante's Inferno, is the map of human inequity. That's right, 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: Today's subject. What you've all been waiting for lust because 10 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: I guess why we ended up situating it a little 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: farther along in the roll call of sense, because because 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: like I said, Dante listed rather early, you're walking into 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: into hell, the realm of eternal punishment in Dante's epic 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: for a Fit of Mine comedy, and the first circle 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: you encounter are are basically the noble individuals who just 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: happened to live before the age of redemption. So you 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: have all these philosophers. They are richly adored not only 18 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: by Dante but by Western culture of the time. In 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: the religious Due to technicality, they're not permitted to rise 20 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: above hell, so they just kind of live on the 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: outskirts of Hell, but they have their nice little circle. Yeah, yeah, 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: it's it's a nice area, like if you had to 23 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: live in Hell, like this is the place to be, 24 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: even better than working there, because some of the guys 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: that work there pretty bad off. But it's like the 26 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: white collar circle right, white collar color crime circle, yes, 27 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: or the academia section of Hell. Right, it's a reasonably 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: pleasant place, even though they two were removed from God, 29 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: so they're kind of sad. But the second circles where 30 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: we actually start getting a little hellish and then just 31 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: a little because Dante seems to discount, not discount lust, 32 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: but but lust is very much seen as a more 33 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: of a minor and relatable infraction. It's one that that 34 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: Dante has a lot of sympathy for. So first you 35 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: have to stroll past this monster that goes by the 36 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: name of Minos, that has this long tail, and he'll 37 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: wrap this tail around you, and the number of times 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: this tail can loop around your body that informs circle 39 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: of Hell you're bound for. Okay, I'm not sure exactly 40 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: how the science of that works, but that's very dramatic. Yeah, 41 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's not just like ha, go over there. Yeah, 42 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: it's like you can meet all these sort of sad 43 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: but otherwise noble intellectuals, and then the next thing you know, 44 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: there's a monster wrapping up in its tail and then 45 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: flinging you off to some circle of torment. Well, the 46 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: second circle of hell is all about the lust. You 47 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: see all these individuals caught in this maelstrom, it's just 48 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: wind everywhere blowing them around. The translation that I'm reading here, 49 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: this is from Robert im Durling's translation to Divine Comedy, 50 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: which I highly recommend if you end up wanting to 51 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: dive into the Divine Comedy. The description goes, the infernal whirlwind, 52 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: which never rests, drives the spirits before it's violence, turning 53 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: and striking. It tortures them when they come before the landslide. 54 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: There the shrieks, the wailing, the lamenting. There they curse 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: God's power. I understand that to this torment were damned 56 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: the carnal sinners who subject their reason to their lust. 57 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: And that's kind of this kind of Dante's whole take 58 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: on it is that it's about reason becoming usurped by desire. 59 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 1: The desire is expressed as as one's weight or dominant inclination. 60 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: So this is we see the wind in this circle. 61 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: It's the wind that drives the soul. It's the force 62 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: of the desire. You see such famous lusty individuals in 63 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: this circle as Cleopatra, Helen of Troy, Dido, Paris, Tristan Achilles, 64 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: and he's by and large pretty sympathetic towards these people. 65 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: And then if you if you end up going on 66 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: up to Purgatory, which again is the mountain in the 67 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: divine comedy that connects the earth to the earthly paradise 68 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: and then onto Heaven, the middle ground between hell and Heaven, 69 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: you see all these terraces that want has to climb 70 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: this mountain and purge themselves of a sin. For each level, well, 71 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: you have to travel all the way up to a 72 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: terrace seven in Purgatory, which makes sense because this is 73 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: the terrace closest to the terrestrial heaven. So this is 74 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: the last sin you have to get knocked off. They 75 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: get some of the big ones first. So in this terrace, 76 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: the individuals are purging themselves of lust, are walking around 77 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: just immersed in like a world to fire, and it's 78 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: sort of burning the lust off of them. You find 79 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: various turning the lust off, Yeah, burning themselves clean of it. 80 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: We've all done and that at some point. I like 81 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: this idea of the Maelstrom and the winds because I 82 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: do think of lust like this. It's like the ultimate diversion. 83 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: It's this thing that sort of takes over your mind 84 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: and completely scrambles your your cognitive abilities to some degree, 85 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: and you can really go wild with I mean, it's 86 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: easy to look at lust and think of it purely 87 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: in terms of one's desire for the flesh, one sexual 88 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: desires becoming the dominant force. You see lust ascribed to 89 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: any number of things. So, for instance, one of my 90 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: favorite books, The Name of the Rose, is very much 91 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: a book about all the different types of lust they 92 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: can afflict a person. There's the lust for forbidden loves, 93 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: the lust for flesh, the lust for knowledge, the luss 94 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: for new things, uh, the lust for truth, the luss 95 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: for adoration, the less for humility, the luss for pain, 96 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: which ties in with our podcast about the martyrs and torture. 97 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: And then in Buddhism we mentioned the wheel of Stamsara 98 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: and our one of our our previous episodes about sin 99 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: about how uh there are these three forces at the 100 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: center of this wheel of suffering. They're summarized by these 101 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: three animals, and one of them is the cock, which 102 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: represents greed. But also tied up in this animal are 103 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: the forces of lust. So if lust is a force 104 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: of desire, clearly that's the way Dante sees it, that's 105 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: the way any number of commentators see it. Then it's 106 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: obviously serves as a hindrance to the Buddhist soul. So 107 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: it's also tied in with some of the higher realms 108 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: of reincarnation, such as the ashra of the Deva, and 109 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: of course the human realms, where people become wrapped up 110 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: in these emotions that are becoming the dominant force in 111 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: their lives and end up delivering them again into suffering 112 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: and disappointment. Well, and speaking of the cock animals, right, 113 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: the statyer, which is you know something that's a half human, 114 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: half goat, like you think of pan, right, this is 115 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: another really good symbol of lust and ancient Greeks. Ancient Greeks, 116 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: in fact, there's a I don't know if I should 117 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: actually describe this, but I'm sure everybody is familiar with this. 118 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: She is a really juvenile term, like think how would 119 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: a kindergartener describe? Okay, so not that one should. All right, 120 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: So you've seen the Greek pots, right that usually have 121 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: depict certain seams, and we all know that they're kind 122 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: of racy, Okay, using a juvenile term. There is a 123 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: picture of a satyr who has his frank and beans exposed, 124 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: and his frank is h is actually balancing a wine cup, 125 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: which I think is kind of like the ultimate expression 126 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: of not just animal sexuality, but lust and desire, because 127 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, throw a little wine in there. Yeah, 128 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: just total buccanal and nuttery. Yeah, exactly, because what fuels 129 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: less more than than the one of the guts? Right, 130 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: the simple search to make you think about, like what 131 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: exactly is lust? You know, it is a state of nature. 132 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: It's a state of mind, and perhaps that's why it 133 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: doesn't get too bad a rap in terms of the 134 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: circle of hell it's placed in. Right. The Stater is 135 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: interesting because on one hand, like clearly the Greek's love 136 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: the sator, like the statter is this almost kind of 137 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: a messcot at times, you know, and the way he's 138 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: depicted and even looking at it now, you're like you 139 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: kind of want to be the Stater, like the Staters 140 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: having the time of the wine and music, wine, good food, 141 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: love making, um, just totally living in the moment, and 142 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's it's the hedonism bot of 143 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: of of ancient increase. But then on this at the 144 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: same time, he's monstrous, he has be steel aspects to 145 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: his body. And then I think it's worth noting that 146 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: the monster comes from a monetary. The word dates back 147 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,119 Speaker 1: to the idea that it's demonstrating something to illustrate a point. 148 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: In every monster, there's something telling about the society that 149 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: creates it, which is why we spend a lot of 150 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: time in each of these sin podcasts talking about the 151 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: imagined monsters of hell because they inevitent illustrate how we 152 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: view a particular sin, and the the Sater is a 153 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: great example of it. Yeah, it is the grotesque ory 154 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: of human nature. And we talked about this a bit 155 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: and the Discuss podcast when we were talking about how 156 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: part of what fuels our sense of discust can sometimes 157 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: relate back to the fact that we don't necessarily want 158 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: to embrace our animal selves. We try to divorce ourselves 159 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: from that, at least most of us doing most of 160 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: the time, and so when you think about the Stater, 161 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: are yeah, fun time, but also you know, so so animalistic. 162 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: Couldn't be me, right, But you know when you talk 163 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: about Less, you talk about the Stater, you wonder if 164 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: it's really a sin, if it's essential to our nature, 165 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: because it is part of the evolutionary machinery in terms 166 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: of coupling right most of the time. But the way 167 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: it works, right is that you have to have something 168 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: fueling you to decide to couple with someone, to perhaps 169 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: mate with them for life, and lust is sort of 170 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: the glue of that arrangement. Yeah, I mean, it's very 171 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: much a part of the genetic mission. And that's one 172 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: of the things that makes Less so resting because it's 173 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: very difficult to combat. Like lust is this thing that 174 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: makes perfect sense from an evolutionary standpoint and from an 175 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: animalistic standpoint, but then as animals we end up reaching 176 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: this point where we create this culture around ourselves that 177 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: lust doesn't necessarily jive with. We cannot be the Stater 178 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: in everyday life because we would we would. I mean 179 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: there are people who try God bless them, I guess 180 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: bocus maybe bless them, but it tends to be kind 181 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: of destructive if you just let lust totally dictate every 182 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: choice in your life. And do you know why, because 183 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily wine that is being balanced by those 184 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: by the francopins that's in that cup. It's really a 185 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: cup of dopamine. Our friend dopamine showed up on the 186 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: scene and every single one of these sins um but 187 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: we'll talk about this a little bit later, but dopamine 188 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: here is seriously, I guess you could say, manipulating our 189 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: thought processes when it comes to lust. And I kind 190 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: of call this the Yasa effect because it's not just dopamine, 191 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: but you also have nora epinephrine released. And what happens 192 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: is when you begin to lust, you see something that 193 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: excites you as you have all sorts of craziness going 194 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: on with your vital signs. Your heart rate increases, your 195 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: reward system is going ding ding in your brain, you're 196 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: sweating a little, your limbic system is going, yeah, I 197 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: give need more of that. And in fact, it's it's 198 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: pretty much a full brain event. Plus they didn't have 199 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: some experiments where of course they booked people's brains up 200 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: to monitoring imaging equipment and then they displayed some shall 201 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: we say, erotic material for the individuals whose brains were 202 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: being scanned, and they set back and watched what lit up, 203 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: and they saw regions of light up there associated with reward, 204 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: sensory and interpretation, visual processing. So it's lighting up the amigala, 205 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: the hippothalamus, which deals with emotional information. It's stimulating reward 206 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: processing uh ventful stratum, probably due to the satisfying nature 207 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: of the stimuli. It's just really setting everything ablaze, particularly 208 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: with a with a mail you can look at their 209 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: brain scan and tell at an m r I brain 210 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: scan and tell if they are aroused. It is a 211 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: much stronger response in men than women. Lust and this 212 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: reaction to images. Yes, And what I thought was really 213 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: interesting about that is that the dopamine is being released. 214 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: You can see this happening in the brain when someone 215 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: sees of image that excites them. And not only that, 216 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: you can you see what's happening in the brain and 217 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: can say it's the all event thing going on. But 218 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, you've got parts of your brain that's saying 219 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: let's act on this, let's go, And then milliseconds later, 220 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: your frontal cortex, which has to mediate all of this 221 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: and bring reason into it. Has just a very small 222 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: window to actually say, you know what, maybe this isn't 223 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: the best idea. Last time we did this, we got 224 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: into a lot of trouble and we acted on this 225 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: lust or whatnot. So that's what I think is fascinating 226 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: about the fMRI I images that you see with men 227 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: considering just these really split second photos, which by the way, 228 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: are interspersed with with control photos like here's a picture 229 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: of a woman's breast in a black lace bra, right, 230 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: it's not too crazy, and a dog eating a birthday 231 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: cake or something, right, yes, and hopefully that's not something 232 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: that is exciting to them, but snow covered trees or 233 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: something like all these lines because there's the control there, 234 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: so we can really see the brain in action. But 235 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: again it comes down to these split second decisions that 236 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,479 Speaker 1: we make. Um And of course this isn't necessarily indicative 237 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: of a real world scenario because we're not stuck in 238 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: fm r I. Usually when we see images or think 239 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: thoughts that really excite us, but still it gives us 240 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: a clue. Another thing that's fascinating about this is that, again, 241 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: we we build this culture up around ourselves and these, uh, 242 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: these various social systems, and our lust doesn't really jive 243 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: with it. So we have to find ways to defeat lust, 244 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: because otherwise we would be like tongue hanging out the 245 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: cartoon Kyote more wolf rather with the eyes and the tongue, 246 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: which is kind of a cartoon version of the stat 247 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: or to a certain extent. So we have to find 248 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: ways to shut it down. Right. You can think of 249 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: it as thinking about baseball, just saying up, we're not 250 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: gonna think about this, We're gonna think about this. And 251 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: they've actually studied this as well to see what's happening 252 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: in the brain when someone is shutting down lust, and 253 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: they're shutting it out as with a number of other 254 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: powerful impulses in the brain, we attempt to shut it 255 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: down by calling upon the right superior frontal gyrus and 256 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: right anterior cigulate gyrus. And this is according to research 257 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: by Mario you Regard at the University of Montreal. He 258 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: and others proposed these brain areas form a conscious self 259 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: regulatory system. It's a network that provides us with the evolutionary, 260 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: the unprecedented ability to control our own neural processing, which 261 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: is pretty impressive. Another species right, you don't necessarily see 262 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: this in other animals. This is very particular to humans. 263 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: And again, this ability to to take that split second 264 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: and way whether or not you should act on it, 265 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: and what the implications are. And we've talked about this before, 266 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: like our brain is really constructed to try to see 267 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: into the future and see ourselves into the future. So 268 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: that's not aha moment, but still it's pretty impressive that 269 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: we can do this, And I think it's interesting to 270 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: to sort of take that out outside of the context 271 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: of lust. Two. Um, Like we've talked before about just 272 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: sort of the quagmire of of thinking about your thing 273 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: thinking you know, or or just letting your thoughts run 274 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: wild taking it outside of lust, because you can get 275 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: into some sort of weird, puritanical territory if you're thinking 276 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: about like, oh, I'm going to shut down dirty thoughts 277 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: in my brain. But I think it is a useful 278 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: exercise to be able to shut down thinking in your brain, 279 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: especially when it's sort of harmful. Let me drag out 280 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: the sad toys in my past kind of thinking. Yeah. 281 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: I think it was Art who pointed out that if 282 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: you think yourself, I wonder what my next thought will 283 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: be to concentrate on that thought like that that has 284 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: an easy and significant ability to sort of clear out 285 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: all the processes. And that's going on whether you're thinking 286 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: about something depressing that happened in your past, or something 287 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: intimidating in the future, or something lustful breathing through your brain. Well, 288 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: I mean this is particularly important if you're a sex addic, right, 289 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: you have to be able to shut down that thought 290 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: process because that to me seems to be like a 291 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: heightened state of desire, which is, you know, no longer productive, 292 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: right from just seeking out is always thinking to come 293 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: out in one and where conceivably like the picture of 294 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: the trees could excite you because you're you're reading something 295 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: sexual into everything exactly, like I've seen that tendency in 296 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: some people. Well, um, what I do want to mention too, 297 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: and this is from Discovery Channels, The Science of Lust. 298 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: Apparently women are much better at dialing down the lust factor. Yeah, 299 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: because Dante and well you know, I mean women women 300 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: just they're as lusty as men. But this is interesting differently, Okay, 301 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: they control the process in a different way. According to this, Right, 302 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: there was this really interesting study in which women were 303 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: asked to wear the sensors to monitor their heart rates, 304 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: their blood pressure and I'm not going to get into 305 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: how this happened, but their blood flow to their genitalium. Okay. 306 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: In addition, the subject has a lever that she controls 307 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: with her hand to indicate when she's aroused by what 308 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: she sees on the screen. Okay, So she's got this 309 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: little device that she just kind of pushes up or 310 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: down when she is aroused. So she's shown a nineties 311 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: era promotional video for Russia and apparently this is like 312 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: the most like neutral, non sexual footage that they could get, 313 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, no no offense, Russia, but apparently like your 314 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: landscapes aren't all that sexually exciting. And then they show porn. Okay, 315 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: so while watching the porn, the woman's vital signs are 316 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: clearly like going nuts. Her body is actually responding to this. 317 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: But what is really interesting is that she is pulling 318 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: the lever down to indicate that she is not at 319 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: all aroused. In fact, she's like the negative of aroused. 320 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: So meanwhile, they also do this with men, and they 321 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: see the male subject also watching the same videos, and 322 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: then they also have the same response to the videos. 323 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: In terms of their vital signs and the flow of 324 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: blood to their genitalia. The difference is that men report 325 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: that they are mentally aroused. Okay, so they take that 326 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: lever and they push it up like full speed. And 327 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: so the idea is that again women can control this. 328 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: Perhaps the disconnect and some of this could be cultural too, right, 329 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: because that really does have a bearing on how you 330 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: perceive things, So you know, there's that aspect to it. 331 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: But the idea is that from an evolutionary point of view, 332 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: women had have to be much more selective because they 333 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: if they were to get into a situation where they 334 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: become pregnant, than they are you know, of course bound 335 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: to raise that child and that's a lot of resources. 336 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: So this idea is that women are much more selective 337 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: and able to take that part of their brain that 338 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: the reasoning, the frontal cortex and say, you know what, 339 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm not really invested in what I'm seeing. I might 340 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: be around, but I'm not going to act on it. 341 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: And again, this is pretty much pointing back to what 342 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: you were talking about with Mario Beauregard of the University 343 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: of Montreal, who was saying that we have this self 344 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: regulatory system. The idea again isn't women have more? So, um, 345 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: it would be really interesting to see more studies on 346 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: this and also to take in the cultural context of 347 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: it before saying, oh, women they're just they're awesome at this, 348 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, because I think there's a little bit more 349 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: to that than just this black and white situation, this 350 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: one experiment in a room. All right, Well, we should 351 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: probably take a break at this point. Yeah, yeah, because 352 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: when we get back, we're going to talk about whether 353 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: some people are just born lusted. All right, we're back, 354 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: and before we jump right back into the science, I 355 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: thought of point out an interesting point that we're going 356 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: across from a few different critics who pointed out that 357 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: that since left is so ingrained in human nature, when 358 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: organized religion condemns it, it's kind of like a spiritual 359 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: speed trap, you know, like a small town generally in 360 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: the United States, you only think of it like a 361 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: small southern town where the speed limit ends up suddenly 362 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: dropping to such a low level that a large number 363 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: of people are going to legally be speeding and therefore 364 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: they caught and then they're you know, brought into the 365 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: system to to pay into the system for their their 366 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: traffic ticket. So that if you if you have a 367 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: religious system that calls you out on something that you 368 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: basically cannot help, it's guaranteed to bring you in. Okay, 369 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: So you're saying that you begin to to think more 370 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: about it, to actually subscribe to a little bit more 371 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: on on on the psychological level. Well, it's kind of like, hey, 372 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: do you have a problem with less, Well, we've got 373 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: the religion for you. Well, everybody has a problem with 374 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: lust of you define it in these terms, you know, 375 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: it's just an interesting, interesting way to interesting to me 376 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: anyway way to look at it. You know, like, I'm 377 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: thinking of it very much in terms of the speech trap, 378 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: whereas like murder isn't as much of a speeed trap. 379 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: Now I'm seeing signs like lust ahead, yeah, next thirty 380 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: miles less monitored by less detecting devices, some microdrones, lust 381 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: less planes, a hood. So okay, I'm thinking about I'd 382 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: always like to think about the opposite of what we're 383 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: talking about, right in terms of the seven deadly since 384 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: so what would be the opposite of lustiness? Unlustiness? Yes, 385 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: thinking specifically in humans? A sexuality? Okay, Okay, So the 386 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: reason I'm bringing this up is because in again this 387 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: was from disc Every Channels Science of Lust Um. They 388 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: were saying that one percent of the population will report 389 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: a lifelong lack of sexual attraction for either sex again 390 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: known as their sexuality, and that this seems to be 391 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: something that is hardwired in individuals. So I think it's 392 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: so much done in a day. You know, it's possible 393 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: that the people of the interviewed they seem to say, 394 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't have a problem with this 395 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: one way or the other. It's just not something that 396 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: is present in me. And the researchers were saying there's 397 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: nothing wrong. I think they just actually even used the 398 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: term plumbing. There's nothing wrong with their plumbing. In other words, 399 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: they are completely healthy individuals to just have a lack 400 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: of lust in kind of life. It's like John McHale 401 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: and Community talking about Paul Rudd as a comedian. He said, 402 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: I see the appeal. It's just not for me. That's 403 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: right for them. It's all Paul Rudd all the time, 404 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: no offense, Paul red because you know he's he's a 405 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: cute guy. Um. God, this is going somewhere else. Um anyway, 406 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: So the point of this. The reason why that we're 407 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: we're talking about his sexuality is because if it is 408 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: hardwired in individuals, you then take the opposite attack to say, 409 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: could others be born overly lusty? Could they be hardwired 410 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: for lust, super luster super lusters like supertasters. I don't know. Uh. 411 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: Dean Hammer, a geneticist, discovered that there are certain genes 412 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: involved in the libido, and when he was trying to 413 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: find correlations to DNA and personality, he gave people all 414 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: sorts of personality tests and what he found is that 415 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: people who reported a higher interest in engaging in risky 416 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: sexual behavior have a mutation on a gene related to 417 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: dopamine dopamine. Again, if you have this mutation, you're more 418 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 1: likely to respond to the dopamine released by new and 419 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: different sexual experiences, and this leads to sexual thrill seeking. 420 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: So I was actually thinking about that in terms of 421 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: neophilia exactly. Again, neophilia the people that have these actual 422 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: genes that in which they are hardwired to seek out 423 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: new experiences. Also, there's a mutation connected to the brain 424 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: chemical sarah tone in and that's sometimes known uh to 425 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: cause high anxiety at a different levels and is also 426 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: known to be strongly correlated to a high sex drive, 427 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: So there are different factors going on. Biological factors clearly 428 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: that could dictate some someone's response to sexually charged images. 429 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: Which isn't to say that you're not responsible for your 430 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: own behavior, but if your tongue is always hanging out 431 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: on the floor, maybe you should look into this. I 432 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: don't know well, and you can. You can easily imagine 433 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 1: then where you you have the biological causes and then 434 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: if you depending on what the specific culture one is 435 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: born into or finds themselves living in, I mean that 436 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: that has a drastic effect on human happiness, your ability 437 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: to to have any kind of like satisfying sexual and 438 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: or emotional life. And speaking of cultural too, that reminds 439 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: me to mention that we should probably take a look 440 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: at the environment that we're living in today, right, And 441 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: that reminds me of the article of the Internet is 442 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: for porn. Let's start talking about it. It's a great 443 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: article that talks about the fact that we live and 444 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: it will just be a economists something. I don't believe 445 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: it was Forbes. Forbes. Yeah, I know he was somewhere 446 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: he didn't quite expect you. Yeah, yeah, that it's another Jewelie, 447 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: but I can't remember her last name, but not mine, 448 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: but she says this was a quote from it. In 449 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: the largest case of t mine recent history, computational neuroscientists 450 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: O Giojas and PSI Gotham looked at a billion web searches, 451 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: a million individual search histories, a million erotic stories, a 452 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: half million erotic videos. That's a lot a million websites, 453 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: and millions of online personal ads to conclude that literally 454 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: everyone is a sex freak. That's what that's what it 455 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: would appear. Well, and I should point out that some 456 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: of those searches were us researching this episode. You know. Yeah, 457 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: I have to say when I was working in the 458 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: coffee shop yesterday, I had a couple of red facing moments. 459 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, because I mean some of the stuff 460 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: that comes up when you were searching this title, like 461 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: little children walking up and saying, Mommy, what is that 462 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: goat man doing? Is that a cup of dopamine? And 463 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: then yeah, I mean think about it in these terms. Again, 464 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: this is from the article. Fewer than ninety porn magazines 465 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: published in the US today, more than two point five 466 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: million porn sites. That's a lot of fuel for the 467 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: fires have blessed. Now you've probably seen there's like a 468 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: book series out there called Porn for Women and it's 469 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: and it's pictures of men chores and doing things that 470 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: supposedly women find sexy animal emotional level. What are your 471 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: thoughts on that based on the research? Uh, what are 472 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: my thoughts on the book series and women in porn 473 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: and for real women I porn? Do you think that 474 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: this is very much this is the kind of thing 475 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: that they would push the level to that in that 476 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: experiment where they had a little level that they adjusted 477 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: depending on their no. I think that's a funny commentary 478 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: on on you know, how women get excited by things 479 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: like getting help in in the house, which is kind 480 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: of sad actually right on one level like that that 481 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: would become porn for women. But I mean there's a 482 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: lot of research actually to be done, um for porn 483 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: for me, because that is an audience that is actually 484 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: expanding quite a bit. This is some of the research 485 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: that came on is the saying that you know, they're 486 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 1: trying to crack the nut in terms of women and 487 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: what they want. And there are a lot of people 488 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: who say the sort of porn that's out there for consumption, 489 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: isn't what women are really attracted to because women don't 490 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: necessarily want to see pictures of themselves being subjucated or 491 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: some of the very let's say, the darker images that 492 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: are out there. And yet here's this, you know, let's 493 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: go back to the to that experiment with the woman 494 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: who's watching porn as opposed to the Russian promo video, 495 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: and she is seeing the act and she is still 496 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: aroused by it. So again, this to me, that boils 497 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: down to more of a cultural aspect of it. So 498 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: obviously there's a huge business opportunity for someone who really 499 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: figures out what women want in terms of erotic stimuli 500 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: visual stimuli. Uh yeah, And I was actually just thinking 501 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: too that on thirty Rock there was a really good 502 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: episode in which Jack was trying to figure out what 503 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: women wanted in terms of like what turned them on, 504 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: and very similar to the Porn for Women series, Uh 505 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: those books. They actually came up with a program in which, yeah, 506 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: Liz Lemon would turn on the TV and I think 507 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: there was a shirtless man saying how are you doing today? 508 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: How are you feeling? Tell me about your day, which 509 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: was kind of funny. So if anyone does figure this 510 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: out and nails it, um, Yeah, so to speak, there'd 511 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: be a lot of financial gain. It would fit in 512 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: well with the overall lust economy. Yes, and in fact, 513 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: this is a little teaser. The next podcast topic that 514 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: we are going to talk about speaking of lust economy 515 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: is the future of virtual of sex. Yes, so put 516 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: that in your pipe and smoke it. Yeah, a topic 517 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: that I recently wrote a little on. I did a 518 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: Stuff in the Future video about it. But we're covering 519 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: all sorts of new stuff in this one, so it's 520 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna be amazing. Keep an ear out for that. 521 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: But yes, the lust economy basically is that lust, the 522 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: ideas that lust drives our economy on virtually every level, 523 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,479 Speaker 1: like even the levels where you don't think about it, 524 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: where it's uh when we talked about this before and 525 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: I think our advertising episode right, yeah, eat more popcorn. 526 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: There have been experiments actually focusing on men and what 527 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: they choose to buy based on the environment that they're in. There. 528 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: There was one again the Discovery Science of Lust episode 529 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: that talked about the street vendor with sunglasses. The one 530 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: pair was like an Elvis flashy sun glass pair and 531 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: the other was their most popular seller, so two to 532 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: choose from, and when they had a neutral background, men 533 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly would buy the most popular option that you know, 534 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: one of two. But when it was placed in front 535 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: of an erotic an erotica store where there was tons 536 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,959 Speaker 1: of stuff that was sort of fueling their imagination, they 537 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: went from the flashier Elvis ones because the ideas that 538 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: they're trying to peacock and stand out so overwhelmingly peacocking. 539 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, peacocking. Yes, Uh, they were trying to 540 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: This is the idea at least that that they're extopolation, 541 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: not mine. Is that where men were trying to be 542 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: more unique so that they could perhaps get a meet 543 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: the whole lust economy thing. I keep thinking of it 544 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: when I listened to various j nix podcasts because generally 545 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: the podcast that I've subscribed to, like each week or something, 546 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: there's a couple of times we will have a different DJ, 547 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: and some of the podcasts as album mark for the 548 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: mix will have a picture of said DJ. With the males. 549 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: It's generally find two types of DJs. There's kind of 550 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: like ghastly looking or nerdy looking guys who generally these 551 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: are the guys who want to listen to because they're 552 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: so into the music that they really don't care what 553 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: their head shot looks like. And then they're the guys 554 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: that have like a really fancy or attempting to be 555 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: cool headshot, and those can be pretty bad because clearly 556 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: they're really invested in the physical appearance. But then there 557 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: will be the occasional female DJ, and I'll find myself 558 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: sort of having the inner conflict of of seeing the 559 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: thumbnail for the mix and thinking, oh, well, she's pretty 560 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: hot off to listen to this, And then I have 561 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: to tell myself that has nothing to do with the 562 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: with the music at all, like even less so than 563 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, like someone like Madonna obviously, like the whole 564 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: package is about the presentation of of how she looks 565 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: this persona in addition to or sometimes above and beyond 566 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: the music. But with a DJ, it's like it's it 567 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: should all be about the sound. So I'm constantly seeing 568 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: these mixes, listening to these mixes by some very talented 569 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: female DJs and uh and and feeling weird about the 570 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: whole like how do I how am I supposed to 571 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: compartmentalize the fact that someone like like a Maya, Jane 572 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: Cole or an Eva be like these are they're attractive women? 573 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: You know, well, I mean you have an added problem 574 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: of you know, mucking the waters here that for women 575 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: it's largely gender performance. Right, So there are some people 576 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: that say that everybody is performing drag on some level, 577 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: males and females, because if we didn't manipulate our our 578 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: appearance at all, we'd be kind of hard to distinguish 579 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: from other than obvious body parts, right, ok, bruss for 580 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: women right, Otherwise everybody would be fairly hairy, you know, 581 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: long hair, right, if you never cut your hair, if 582 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: you never shaved, if you never plucked your eyebrow as 583 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: a woman to try to accentuate your eyes, or applied 584 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: rouge or put you know, any sort of adornment on. 585 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: So wow, there you go. Well you just blew my mind. 586 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: I never really thought about that. You know. It's like 587 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: we're all participating and dragged to some to some point, 588 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: we're all attempting to fit under various classifications of what 589 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: it is to be male or what it is to 590 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: be female in various spaces in between. Yeah, and then 591 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: performers are just like the uber gender performers, right, because 592 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: that's that's you have to project that image. So I 593 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: think that's maybe some of the appeal of Lady Gaga 594 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: on some level, although I feel like we we haven't 595 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: had a Lady Gaga discussion lately. Yeah, she used to 596 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,479 Speaker 1: come up all the time. You all right, Well I'm 597 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna close it out. I have one last 598 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: just to bring us back around to Dante, the way 599 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: he presented less not only as you know, definitely a 600 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: sin and a stumbling block to human happiness and spiritual happiness, 601 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: but also as something that was very romantic and very 602 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: very very beautiful and and ultimately not nearly as as 603 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: bad as these other sins. This is from a novel 604 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: by Louise Erdrich titled The Last Report on the Miracles 605 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: at Little No Horse, which is excellent. I highly recommend it. 606 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: There's this wonderful brief love story between two priests. One 607 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: is a male priest and the other is a female 608 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: living her life as a male priest, and they end 609 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: up discovering who they really are. They end up having 610 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: this physical and emotional relationship, and so there's there's just 611 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: a few lines. Gregory kissed her forehead and cupped his 612 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: broad hand around her face. The way the curve of 613 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: her face fit into his hand took away his breath 614 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: for a moment, and then he took a painful gulp 615 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: of air and laughed. I hope Dante was right about hell, 616 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: he said, I don't think I would mind so much 617 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: whirling in the d in that dark wind with you 618 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: forever cut off from God, she says, and then he 619 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: adds if we are cut off from God by sinning, 620 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: he said, low, why do I feel so close to 621 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: God when I touch you in this darkness, in this cloud? 622 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: See you again? That is why it's very hard to 623 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: judge less in that way, and when it contributes to 624 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: the formation of love, which some would say is next 625 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: to godliness, right right. And the things that keep these 626 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 1: two characters apart, and you read the book by all 627 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: means to find out more about this, but I mean 628 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: the things that keep them apart of very much this 629 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: this culture that's built up around them, you know. Anyway, Well, 630 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: let's call the robot over here and get some listener mail. 631 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we have a couple here related to 632 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: our sin episodes. Karen writes then about envy and she says, Hey, guys, 633 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,719 Speaker 1: I'm a communication major with an emphasis in media. So 634 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: after listening to the episode on envy, I started thinking 635 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: about how technology plays into envy. With the ever expanding 636 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: social networking sites that are now, there are now infinite 637 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: ways to become envious of others. Facebook, for example, and 638 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: now seems to be less about keeping in contact with 639 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: others and more about displaying your life. People become envious 640 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: of others who are seeing all the good parts of 641 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: someone's f life. On the flip side of that is 642 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: the humanizing of people as well. For instance, if a 643 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: person you think has their life together, it gets tagged 644 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: in an unflattering situation. Um, or just you're generally unflattering 645 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: photos right um. As she continues, I have also recently 646 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: joined Pinterest and found the same sort of envy producing 647 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: so fill networking people were either pinning their own pictures 648 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: or adding pictures of a lifestyle they wish to have. 649 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: I think I think it may be unhealthy to envy 650 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: others so much, but what can I say? It is 651 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: addicting at the same time. Love the show, Thanks Karen. Yeah, 652 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: the picturest thing is really interesting because it does seem 653 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: to be some sort of like uh, you know, I 654 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: guess they call like dream borge or whatever, like things 655 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: that you want in the future, that you create for yourself. 656 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: At the same time, it seems to be like the 657 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: sort of meta expression of want, meaning that I don't 658 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: see it as a serious like yearning for something, but 659 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: more like, let's talk about these visual aspects of what 660 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: makes this really cool or exciting to me? Yeah, sort 661 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: of a celebration really of art to a certain degree. 662 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if some people would say that, you know, 663 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: braided hairstyles qualify as art, but there's certainly a lot 664 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: of interesting things that would, um that would arrest your 665 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: eyes in some of those photos, right. I remember, like 666 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: back in college, just to bring that back around to 667 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: lest I remember, everybody's out on their own for the 668 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: first time for the part, and they'll have computers, and 669 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: so everybody's putting you know, they're putting up posters. Sometimes 670 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: for the guys, they'll be slightly sexual. But I remember 671 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: there would be some guys who would as their desktop wallpaper, 672 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: would have like really racy, if not pornographic material as 673 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: their desktop wallpaper. Yeah, And I remember, like he you know, 674 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: even then, thinking wow, really like that's gonna be that's 675 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: your Pinterest board, basically, is this lady? Yeah. I think 676 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: we live in a in an age where sexuality and 677 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: self expression are of changing quite a bit. And I 678 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: was just actually thinking about my cousin who showed me 679 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: a picture of his girlfriend on his iPhone and she 680 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: was in her lace underwear and prov and I was like, 681 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: you know what, maybe that's just that's okay, you know, 682 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 1: like you're twenty two and that's that's acceptable. Maybe she 683 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: did not necessarily want him to do that, but it 684 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: seems to me just a different level of sharing. It's 685 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: one thing to keep in mind their generations and in 686 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: and now that are adults and becoming adults. They do 687 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: not know an age before total Internet. It's it's a 688 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: different frame of mind altogether. Uh. Here's another bit of 689 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: listener male related just sends, this time on the Gluttony 690 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: episode or note on absolutely discussed of gluttony. So I 691 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: guess she's kind of she's tying together a couple of 692 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: different things we've talked about. This is from Cam Camera 693 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: and Senus is Hi, Julian Robert. I'm Cama, a recent 694 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 1: listener to your podcast from Manila, the Philippines. Though I've 695 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: been listening for a while now, it was only getting 696 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: your podcast on gluttony that I got the urge and 697 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: the courage to drop you a note. As I was 698 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: listening to your discussion on l Wingador's training regime, I 699 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: found myself thinking back to your episode on Absolutely Discussed 700 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: and realized that in my case, gluttony of that sort 701 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: demonstrated by l Wingadore and Kobe Ashi triggered disgusting me. 702 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: For some odd reason, the idea of eating my own 703 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 1: weight and food makes me queasy. Don't get me wrong, 704 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: I love a good meal as much as the next person, 705 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: but the sheer volume of food food consumed by competitive 706 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: eaters is off putting. On the other hand, chili eating 707 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: and nettle eating contest aren't his off putting, and I 708 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: find those highly amusing. I guess in those contests it's 709 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: not about how much a contestant can consume so much 710 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: as it's about how much pain I can tolerate before 711 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: they dissolve into a quivering wreck, which, as I said, 712 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: I find exceedingly amusing. This is not I believe say 713 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: anything flattering about me, but I promise I'm a very 714 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: nice person most of the time. Anyway, I just like 715 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: to say thank you for the awesome job you do 716 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: on the podcast, and I'll definitely be looking forward to 717 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: your next mind blowing episode. So she's she's like, okay 718 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: with the gluttony, as long as it's like transcending some 719 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: sort of other challenge obstacle like pain. Now, what is 720 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: a nettle? A nettle? I thought was an herb nettles 721 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: to look up a nettal eating, I mean, I'm thinking 722 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: it must be not well. I think it's something that's 723 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: very easy to to either digest or to chew, which 724 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: you mean she said chili. She must she meant like 725 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: hot show. Yeah, because when I first read it, I 726 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: was thinking bowls of chili, and she was like, and 727 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: so I thought her point was eating hot bogs. That's 728 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: growth contests about eating pops of chili. Bring it on. No, 729 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: I think she's just talking about the digger you have spiciness. Okay. 730 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: I would agree with that, that that while it's it's 731 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: maybe a type of gluttony to just eat as many 732 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: hot peppers as you can possibly stand, it's not it's 733 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: a different type of test, like how much pain can 734 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: you know how much mace can you eat for breakfast? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 735 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: it's an endurance thing. Yeah. Jonathan Strickling would probably go 736 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: for that of tech stuff he seems to call he's 737 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: a he's kind of a spice glutton. Yes, he's got 738 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,439 Speaker 1: like all sorts of bottles surrounding him at all times 739 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: on his test. That's a lie. Yeah. Yes, that that 740 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: mask that he wears that has the sharaca bottles in 741 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: it where he somehow breathes a liquid sharaca. Yeah, he's 742 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: coated the saracha biosphere. Actually, I said it wrong. I 743 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: a would say it wrong. I would say sharaca, but 744 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: I don't. I guess there's not even an ancient there. Like, 745 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, I might be saying it wrong. One 746 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: last point, I'm gluttoning I brought up in the podcast. Hey, 747 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: I wonder if vegans have eating contests, and it turns 748 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: out there are vegan hot dog eating contests. A couple 749 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: of different listeners throught that up, and unsurprisingly, one of 750 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 1: them was in Austin, Texas, which a friend of mine, 751 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: Becky Streepy, pointed out, like, that's the perfect place for 752 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: it because Austin is kind of a convergence of like 753 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: like sort of hippie do good y and um, you know, 754 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: big text and indulgence right, plus the what's their logo? 755 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: Keep custom weird, Yeah, keep Austin weird. Yeah, nicely. So 756 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: there you have it. We'd really love to hear from 757 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: you about lust. I mean, make sure it's something. I mean, 758 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: if you want to share something with us that we 759 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: can't read on the air, you know, that's fine, let 760 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: us know. Maybe it'll just be for our amusement. But 761 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 1: the certainly things we can we can share with other 762 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: listeners that are nice. What are you What are your 763 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: thoughts on, say, the lust economy? Now it informs everything 764 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: we do. What are your thoughts on our ability to 765 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: use our our brains to defeat lusty or or otherwise 766 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: inconvenient thoughts? You know, any of us fair games? So 767 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: let us know. You can find us on Facebook. 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