WEBVTT - Draft Show: 2017 Review & 2018 Preview 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:06.199 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.520 are war room for incenter news and draft analysis from 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:14.000 deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:19.120 in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Select baikiel Elliot and now your 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:24.720 hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.639 The thing that you do in scouting departments when you 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:31.040 have an open week is you bring your scouts back 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.800 off the road and you get a little bit of 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:37.479 an idea of what they've seen so far. Some teams 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.640 are doing well, some teams not so well. But the 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.479 one thing is you'll always scout, and that's what we 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:46.840 do here for you here on the Draft Show. Brian 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:51.479 brought us back with Dane Brugler and David Hellman, gentlemen, 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.120 bringing you back off the road. We're gonna reflect a 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:59.200 little bit about what we saw last year with the 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:02.800 Dallas Cowboys draft, kind of where the direction we think 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.680 that is going to go. I also want to talk 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.080 about a little bit about some of what's going on 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:09.800 with some of the other teams. There was a lot 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:15.199 of guys that we covered last year before the draft, 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.440 pre draft draft shows. All those things, and I want 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.399 to get into some of those guys and what we've seen. 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.120 We're early in this campaign where we write about some guys, 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.360 where we off about some guys. Would we need to 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.080 think about differently, how we going to look at our 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.959 board next year and get ready for this draft. Did 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.320 we think too highly of tight ends? Do we think 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.120 too much of some rush ends? Do we think too 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:40.080 much of some cornerbacks? You know, That's all the things 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.600 we need to get into. But first off, Dane, welcome 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.400 back off the road. Nice, it's good to be back. 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.440 It's I know, get some responses. You guys doing a 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.600 draft show? Given up the season already? No? No, no, 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:54.760 the draft. No matter if the Cowboys go on to 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:56.760 win the Super Bowl or lose the rest of their games, 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.160 the draft still happens next April. We have plenty to 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.760 talk about, plus a lot to review from this past draft. 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.920 What maybe you know, based on what we saw what 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:09.120 we scouted in college compared to the first five games 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:13.440 of the season, you know, our opinions different. Uh, sometimes 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:17.320 based on where these prospects end up. That skews our 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:21.120 opinion of the player because of a favorable situation. We're 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.600 on the opposite side of that. So definitely a lot 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:26.960 to cover here, just as we recap and them look forward. 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.919 Yeah oh sorry, Brian, I would point out we did 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.760 this show during the bioweek last year when the Cowboys 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.200 were I believe five and one, so right, so yeah, 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.040 we were. This is not a give up show, No, 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.080 we just want to wanted to take an opportunity to, 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:45.079 like Dane says, review what you have just draft nerds 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.400 talking about. This is just guys that have an hour 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.919 to kill today and enough enough people that want to 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.080 to do something like But but David, welcome aboard as 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.560 well as always, I always appreciate your your line of 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.600 thought here. I you know, I I was sitting there 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.519 thinking about, uh, you know, I'm thinking about the Cowboys draft, 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:06.880 and you know, here's a team right now that is 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.800 two and three, you know, not as favorable as the 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.200 five and one that we saw last year at this time, 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.640 but they are playing a lot of young guys. You know, 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.240 they're there, there there, and that's really what the NFL 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.400 is now. It's about taking those young guys and go 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.080 ahead and putting them on the field. We've seen a 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.679 lot of young quarterbacks have to play we've seen a 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.880 you know a lot of young running backs have success. 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.800 A third round running back have some success. But yeah, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.280 I mean when you look at and this is not 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:38.240 a way of knee jerking, This is not my way 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.480 of knee jerk, and hear anything about this. I just 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.080 think that if we go back and review what we 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.720 thought about these guys as we see them, and they're 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.920 and they're getting to play and and and for me, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.240 that's good. I have no prom playing young players. I 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.800 would rather play young players and have them make mistakes 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.320 than old players and have them make mistakes. You know 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.400 that That's just me. But if you go back and 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.160 you know, we we we focus in on the Cowboys 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.800 with that twenty eighth pick in the draft last year, 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.160 and we kind of would going in a lot of 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.880 different ways. You know, with the whole argument, A lot 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.440 of people are looking at what's going on with with 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:20.400 say like TJ. Watt and then also with Taco Carlton, 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.800 and then you talk to start talking about glad we're 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:24.880 starting here for ye it's worth I don't think you 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:26.920 can start this anywhere else. No, I don't think you 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.640 can start this anything else. And I think the discussion 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.360 the discussion in the war room was about you know, hey, 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.719 they have to get a defensive end, you know, and 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.400 Harris goes to Miami and Tack McKinley goes ahead of 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:45.120 them into Atlanta. And now it's about taco or what 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.599 for that matter. And now you're sitting there thinking. And 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.520 even before the draft, we're sitting we're talking and we're 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.040 going you know what, the scouts would bring up what 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:57.680 and he's a player, you know, can he play with 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.039 his hand down? Is he an outside linebacker? Or coaches 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.080 are going to argue, hey, we don't want a project. 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.200 We won't want somebody that's gonna stand We don't want 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.359 to stand up guy when a guy hand on the ground. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.440 But if you look at things, the whole idea is 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.800 to get the best player, right, The whole idea is 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.400 to get the guy. You know, coaches, he's it's not 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.359 a fit. It's not a fit. Now. Now, on the 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.440 flip side of that, the coaches will say, hey, we 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.520 can coach this guy, and the scouts will say, no, no, no, 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.200 we don't. There's another guy we like. So it goes 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:34.720 both ways. But if you look at right now and 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.880 the thing with what his production was against the Browns 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.919 opening day. He stead the three sacks. You know, you 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.960 look at you look at Harris. Not really much going 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.120 on for him in Miami, and he got his first 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:53.360 sack of the year exactly tack. McKinley haven't a whole 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.560 you know, he's been encouraging production, hasn't been there. Yeah. See, 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.760 I'm saying though that this is where, you know, if 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.520 you think that the Cowboy are doing it wrong right now, 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.800 think about some other teams and where they thought guys 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.560 were guys that we kind of liked. Yeah, and I 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.080 think that we have to keep in mind too that 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.680 this team was not drafting for the first five games 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:18.200 of this season. They're drafting for yes, this season, but 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.480 with the eye on the future, right you know. And 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.080 so that's we had a lot of fun with the 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.520 whole Taco needs seasoning and you have to play on words, 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:28.920 and we had a lot of fun with that. But 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.120 it was the truth as well. We knew he was 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.599 a raw player at Michigan. Uh, you know, he has 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.120 all the tools, but as you have to justin tuck right, 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.880 remember that was the comparison that that you know that 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.120 and and I thought it was a fair compar form 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.680 my days to scouting in pro side, you know, justin Tuck. Yeah, 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.880 and it's not that he's going to have that type 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.760 of career, but similar style of player, style of player, 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:54.760 that's what you're that's what you're looking for, and that's 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.720 what you hope he can be. Now, you know, we 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.960 we're not gonna spend too much time on this because 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:03.000 we all know how we felt, you know, whether Taco 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.480 was our top player plus personally right, But you know, 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.080 it's it's going to be interesting watching t J Watt 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.960 and Tack McKinley. Uh. And you know these other pass 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.040 rushers that you know they didn't have a chance attack McKinley, 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:16.840 but if you liked them that much, you could trade 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:18.760 up three spots and get them, sure, you know. And 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:20.720 so it'll be something to watch as we move forward 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.960 in a big part of that will be Taco's development 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.080 or lock thereof. It's something that is going to be 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.160 Uh maybe when we look back at this draft will 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:34.080 be the main discussion point. Riddle me this though, Yeah, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.360 this is and yeah, I mean I think anybody that's 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.000 listening to this probably remembers where we all fell on 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:44.160 that um with and and I I wound up being 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.200 a defender of Taco more so than anybody else. Sure, Um, 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.920 so I want to know, you know, five weeks in Brian, 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.360 maybe this is a better question for you, because I 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.640 assume Dan's not really studying the tape of the Cowboys 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:02.320 the way that you are. Through five games, Taco Charlton 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:07.280 exactly what you thought, worse than you thought, and I 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.920 this is a four year investment. I get that if 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:14.280 you're closing the book on him, that's ridiculous. But even 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.560 for me, who you know, I think in training camp, 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.720 I said, I said four sacks would be a successful 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:24.440 season for Taco, you know, just consistently being a part 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:29.640 of it. How do I feel about dating I'll be 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.320 completely honest, again, as somebody who I was more on 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:37.240 board with the pick than everybody else, even with modest expectations, 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.560 I think it's fair to say that he hasn't measured 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.280 up to that as it stands through five weeks. I mean, 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.440 you're talking about a guy who you were at least 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.080 debating the merits of making him inactive in a couple 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.480 of these games, because you Entrey Moore, you had David Irving, 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.400 you had Charles Tapper for a little while before you 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.839 got hurt. So you know, I didn't have high hopes 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.360 for him, even as a first round pick. And I 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.680 still feel as though he's been a little bit disappointing, 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.040 and I wonder if that's fair. I think disappointing is 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.960 a fair word, because even if he didn't have the 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:11.199 sack numbers, you did see some production at Michigan, you know, 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.920 the ability to play the run, to get off block. 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:15.480 I mean, there was there were some things that you 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:19.440 absolutely liked about him, you know, the power, the string. 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.079 I mean, I don't think we've seen that. I tell 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.120 you what. I tell you what I haven't seen from 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:28.640 him that I haven't seen from him, And it surprised me. 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.840 And maybe maybe we didn't see it at Michigan. And 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.240 correct me if I'm wrong, Dane, because you scouted him 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.120 just as much as I did. I was surprised he 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.640 didn't have the pass for any pass rush moves when 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:42.440 he got here. I mean, it's been it's been from hes. 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.640 They've had to work from ground zero now, Yeah, to 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.520 get him to at least come with a pass rush move. 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.679 I don't I don't remember. I remember I remember him 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:56.120 winning at Michigan. But was he winning more on effort 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.600 and and and that that he was gef get off 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.120 at lane. Then that's what. Yeah, that's what kind of 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.160 helped him quite a bit going up against big ten tackles. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.760 I mean the second line of my report on Taco 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:14.840 unimaginative pass rush sequence, predictable spin move. I mean that, Yeah, yeah, 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.439 he does a lot of it here. Yeah. See that's 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:19.480 where that that's where I think that to me, I 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.120 think that that fans in general, and I felt like 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.480 that we educated folks enough on this, you know, when 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:31.120 the pick was made that you know, but I was surprised. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:37.160 I was surprised how little pass rush he had. You know. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.160 That's that I mean, that's that's the thing that I 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.319 keep coming back to in my mind that, Okay, if 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.560 he doesn't if he doesn't show any pass rush move, 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:48.960 he's not gonna win. I didn't you know, he's not 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:53.160 a quick guy. He's not an explosive guy off the ball. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.800 I think the thing and granted I'm well aware of 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.840 the differences between preseason and regular season football, but in 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.240 reps he was getting in the preseason, you were still 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:07.320 seeing him. He was impacting plays, his you would notice him, 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.079 you know what I mean, Like he's in the backfield. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:10.920 Maybe he doesn't get the sack, but he's there. He 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:15.559 beats the yeah. Yeah, and again that's coming against preseason players, 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.120 and maybe that's why I think, you know, like I said, 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.040 I if he had he has no sacks, and on 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.880 the surface, that's not disappointing to me, but it's disappointing 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.960 that by and large, with the exception of a couple 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.800 snaps against the Giants, I think he really there hasn't 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.800 even been a reason to say his name during most 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.240 of these gaps. That part of it has been disappointing. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.120 That that's certainly disappointing. I think you're absolutely right though 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.920 about the down the line. You know, that's why they 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.920 have Yeah, I think that you know, you fans don't 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.319 want to have patience for the most part. And and 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.559 you know what, and I I understand that, oh yeah, 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.559 because you know, you're you're trying to think about your 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.079 defense is your defense is not playing the run. Your 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.719 defense is not you know other than one guy, you know, 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.000 I mean, you're up there, you are getting a little pressure. 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.520 The Cowboys fans were a little spoiled with what they 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:08.520 got out of the twenty sixteen drafts. Okay, let's let's 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.920 let's focus on the rest of the track. Well, I 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.000 want real quick, I'm sorry before I know you want 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.640 to talk about other stuff. But in regard to Taco, 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.360 I wonder it seems like he is mainly they are 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.440 mainly trying to play him at right end. Yeah, and 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.800 I wonder if he's a left end well, and just 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.240 in the interest of getting something out of him, do 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.160 you try to move him around or do you just 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.080 try I mean, could he play him left? And I 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.640 seem to be alone in the thought that maybe he 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.520 could be useful at tackle for the time being. Yeah, any, 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.400 I mean, even if it's in Nichols, we have you've seen, 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.079 You've seen, like David Irvin's my point. They quickness off. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.040 I mean, maybe he's got better quickness for playing against 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.480 guards than he does playing against tackles. I you know, 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.160 because he saw him play some nickel tackle y and 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.560 they they him and him and him and Lawrence were 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.640 on the same side with some doing some games and stuff. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.000 They seem reluctant to be creative with him. And I 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.160 get that he's raw and they probably want him to 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.800 master the base six before they worry about that. But 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.640 I'd love to see him try some different things out 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.079 rather than must be there right in. I don't disagree 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:11.920 with you there, David, Okay, pick two sixty was Hidobe 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:16.240 a Woozier and I felt like that we and then 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.760 you take the pick behind him, which would be Jordan 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:24.000 Lewis at three ninety two, kind of felt like we 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.880 liked Jordan Lewis better than we liked Hidobe A Woozier. Yeah. Well, 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.319 I remember at the Senior Bowl sitting in the hotel 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.400 room doing the draft show, talking about how and I 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.440 think Jordan Lewis is a first rounder. Yeah, I liked 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:41.800 him that much. Now, the whole off field stuff case 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.880 that leaked in and that played a part, and you 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.000 know his eventual and where he ended up. But hey, 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.040 this is a good player. You know. The hight thing 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.920 is something that out of a corner not ideal, but 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.000 arm length was good enough. And this is a guy 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.040 who my favorite thing about him he's always ball searching, 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.120 and that's what you see with him so far with 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.360 the Cowboys. He's always looking for the ball, even when 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.000 the receiver makes the catch, he's looking to get it out. 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:12.880 You know, sometimes he does. Sometimes he does, and he's 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.280 still a young player getting used to the NFL. But 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.440 I'm very encouraged with Jordan Lewis. I think he can 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.080 be a starter in this league for a long time. 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.840 He's looked outstanding. I got somebody yelled at me on 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.240 Twitter today. I know he gave up the winning pass 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.640 and yeah, I know he got called for holding on 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.360 Jordy Nelson. I don't care. He's been awesome. He's he's 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.040 great in space, he makes the tackle, he keeps it. 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.720 You know, a five yard catches a five yard catch. 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.120 He doesn't give up extra yards to a runner in 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.400 open space. He made a great play on the ball 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.000 against Green Bay that gets completely overshadowed where the guy 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.680 completed it down the sideline right Jordy Nelson, Yeah, hunched 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.400 it out after it. Maybe it would have been a catch. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.720 And you haven't seen Nadallas cornerback who can make a 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.560 play on the ball like that. Yeah, we didn't see 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.200 him at all a training camp Dame and that, and 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.720 yeah we didn't see it. I mean we you know 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.760 the scouts, when you talk to scouts post draft, they 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.520 loved him. They absolutely loved the kid. I pulled every 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.120 scout and football person that was willing to talk to 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.680 me unofficially, and Jordan Lewis was by far the draft 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.680 pick they were most excited about it. Yeah, that doesn't 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:18.840 surprise me at all. And you know we talked about 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.680 not seeing much of him, well a Woozier with his 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.160 injury stuff. You know how much has that hurt him 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.880 so far? Through five games? It seems like there's always 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.960 something hamstring he's dealing with, or you know, is he 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.000 a better safety, better better corner where we're at with 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.200 the Woozier. Yeah, See, Woozier played the other day and 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.720 you know he came out the field because the hamstring 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.000 got fatigued. It wasn't a full on poll or anything 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.640 like that. Another but he's you know, he got three 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.560 or four plays last week and made a couple of 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.360 plays where he made some range plays playing safety. I 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.920 think he's gonna play safety here, I really do. I 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.840 think they're I think they're getting him ready to him 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:59.760 in the next pick. Who we're going to talk about 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.960 two Xavier Woods. I think they're getting those guys ready 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.960 to play in the future. Xavier Woods was playing safety 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.680 in that. I mean, obviously Green Bay wound up winning 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.640 the game, but they had him, had him last line 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:13.520 of defense. Yeah, and he missed a couple of tackles, 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:15.480 but he's been but I mean to get him on 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.040 the field. The fact that they put him out there though, 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.600 it's telling to me. Yeah, even if it didn't work out, 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.600 it didn't work out for the whole defense. They put 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.120 their sixth round pick out there with you know, the 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.000 Hall of Fame quarterback driving for a touchdown. I understand 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.520 fans upset about Taco and you know that's just not 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.720 working out up to this point, but you have to 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.280 be excited about what you've seen from these three defensive 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.480 backs up to this point. I mean it, Yes, they're 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:42.239 gonna make working mistakes, that's inevitable, right, But the flashes, 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.680 the positives, that's what you take away from this draft 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.000 class so far, at least from me. Yeah, I agree 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.200 with that. I'm gonna sound too much like Brian here, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.960 so I apologize, But it's it's just a bummer that 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.200 Cheeto has had this problem that you know, what happened 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.960 at training camp, and it's been ongoing. It's been ongoing 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.440 since it was fatigued. I pulled. I was told his fatigued, 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:02.720 so they had to take him out. But you know, 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.200 hopefully he'll be ready for the forty nine ers. That's hopefully, 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.280 but then you never know how long are you gonna 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.399 last in the game. You're hopeful he was ready for 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.480 the for the Packers that lasted for maybe a quarter. 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.879 I don't remember the exact count, but you know, and 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.240 that's the point Brian made all through the preseason is 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.560 that if these guys could get on the field. You're 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.959 seeing what Jordan Lewis is doing on the fly with 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.439 no training camp, and and it would it's amazing to 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.760 think what him and Cheeto could be doing if they 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:29.680 had just had a run of good health. I mean, 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.080 I would imagine that they're certainly two of your top 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.840 four defensive backs if both of them had a good 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.120 run of health where they could consistently be playing. They 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:42.919 steal Jordan Lewis in the third round. Absolutely, he Yeah, 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.280 I thought he was a I wrote my report that 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:49.479 his size is second round, but his instincts, his ball skills, 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.240 his ability to play tight carverage all first round worthy. 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:54.840 Now the whole again, the off field stuff kind of 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.360 that crept into his evaluation and that that's a big 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.280 part of it. But there's no question they got to 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:03.720 steal with Jordan was outside of the top ninety picks. Yeah, 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.440 Dane's right that, you know, you kind of get spoiled 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.399 when half of your draft class is starting and contributing 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.119 for you right away, like last year. But if I 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:13.679 mean so, if you're looking at it, I'm not. You know, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.560 you're not closing the book on it by any means. 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.280 But probably don't feel great about Taco right now. No, 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.679 you don't. You probably don't feel great about Cheeto just 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:22.639 because he's not playing. Yeah, but gosh, I mean the 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.879 one the couple of times. Yeah, I mean I was 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.280 on film. I'm not trying to kill the guy. No, no, 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.720 you're not. It's just evaluation. You're right, you probably don't 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:31.560 feel great about him because he hasn't had a chance 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:35.280 to do anything right. You probably don't feel amazing about Switzer. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.399 He had a pretty costly mistake against the Rams. He 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.760 has played really well against Arizona, though, I mean him 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.000 and him and Jones were difference on the flipping the 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:47.000 field for in that Arizona game. I get so, I'm no, no, 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.520 I'm with I'm with checklist. You feel great about Jordan Lewis. 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.359 I feel phenomenal about him. He looks like a starter 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.520 for the foreseeable future. Draft reminds me very much of 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.040 how we used to do things in Green Bay, and 0:18:58.080 --> 0:18:59.399 I hate to be back in the day, guy, but 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.040 I'll be that way. We would miss on the first 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.040 round pick, but then we would hit three, four, and five, 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:07.879 and then nobody ever remembered who we picked in the 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.680 first round. The back end, then I guess that's where 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:12.760 I was going. The back end looks pretty nice. I mean, 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:16.840 Jordan Lewis looks great, Xavier Woods looks great, especially when 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.840 you consider where you got him. And then my guy, 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.800 Noah Brown made the team as a six receiver. He's 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:26.000 been active, Sure, not a lot of opportunities, but he's 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.440 shown some flashes. I mean, he's made him when he's 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.399 had those opportunity. What do you think about the Switzer one? 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.240 Though we all liked the pick, we all liked what 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.320 we saw at OTA's right, and then the minicamp he 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.639 gets hurt. He just hasn't done anything yet, though, has 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.080 I mean, we talked about the Arizona game. I didn't 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.320 give him proper credit for the Arizona game. He did 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:48.320 do some nice stuff there. He's had very few opportunities 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:52.000 on offense he had, He's had a couple of nice returns. 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.560 The fumble, I mean, that's the thing that stands out 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.399 the most of everything right now. Right they drafted him 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.199 to be your upgrade over Lucky. We hit basically, you know, 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.639