Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys
Speaker 1: are war room for incenter news and draft analysis from
Speaker 1: deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star
Speaker 1: in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Select baikiel Elliot and now your
Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well.
Speaker 1: The thing that you do in scouting departments when you
Speaker 1: have an open week is you bring your scouts back
Speaker 1: off the road and you get a little bit of
Speaker 1: an idea of what they've seen so far. Some teams
Speaker 1: are doing well, some teams not so well. But the
Speaker 1: one thing is you'll always scout, and that's what we
Speaker 1: do here for you here on the Draft Show. Brian
Speaker 1: brought us back with Dane Brugler and David Hellman, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: bringing you back off the road. We're gonna reflect a
Speaker 1: little bit about what we saw last year with the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys draft, kind of where the direction we think
Speaker 1: that is going to go. I also want to talk
Speaker 1: about a little bit about some of what's going on
Speaker 1: with some of the other teams. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that we covered last year before the draft,
Speaker 1: pre draft draft shows. All those things, and I want
Speaker 1: to get into some of those guys and what we've seen.
Speaker 1: We're early in this campaign where we write about some guys,
Speaker 1: where we off about some guys. Would we need to
Speaker 1: think about differently, how we going to look at our
Speaker 1: board next year and get ready for this draft. Did
Speaker 1: we think too highly of tight ends? Do we think
Speaker 1: too much of some rush ends? Do we think too
Speaker 1: much of some cornerbacks? You know, That's all the things
Speaker 1: we need to get into. But first off, Dane, welcome
Speaker 1: back off the road. Nice, it's good to be back.
Speaker 1: It's I know, get some responses. You guys doing a
Speaker 1: draft show? Given up the season already? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: the draft. No matter if the Cowboys go on to
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl or lose the rest of their games,
Speaker 1: the draft still happens next April. We have plenty to
Speaker 1: talk about, plus a lot to review from this past draft.
Speaker 1: What maybe you know, based on what we saw what
Speaker 1: we scouted in college compared to the first five games
Speaker 1: of the season, you know, our opinions different. Uh, sometimes
Speaker 1: based on where these prospects end up. That skews our
Speaker 1: opinion of the player because of a favorable situation. We're
Speaker 1: on the opposite side of that. So definitely a lot
Speaker 1: to cover here, just as we recap and them look forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah oh sorry, Brian, I would point out we did
Speaker 1: this show during the bioweek last year when the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were I believe five and one, so right, so yeah,
Speaker 1: we were. This is not a give up show, No,
Speaker 1: we just want to wanted to take an opportunity to,
Speaker 1: like Dane says, review what you have just draft nerds
Speaker 1: talking about. This is just guys that have an hour
Speaker 1: to kill today and enough enough people that want to
Speaker 1: to do something like But but David, welcome aboard as
Speaker 1: well as always, I always appreciate your your line of
Speaker 1: thought here. I you know, I I was sitting there
Speaker 1: thinking about, uh, you know, I'm thinking about the Cowboys draft,
Speaker 1: and you know, here's a team right now that is
Speaker 1: two and three, you know, not as favorable as the
Speaker 1: five and one that we saw last year at this time,
Speaker 1: but they are playing a lot of young guys. You know,
Speaker 1: they're there, there there, and that's really what the NFL
Speaker 1: is now. It's about taking those young guys and go
Speaker 1: ahead and putting them on the field. We've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of young quarterbacks have to play we've seen a
Speaker 1: you know a lot of young running backs have success.
Speaker 1: A third round running back have some success. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when you look at and this is not
Speaker 1: a way of knee jerking, This is not my way
Speaker 1: of knee jerk, and hear anything about this. I just
Speaker 1: think that if we go back and review what we
Speaker 1: thought about these guys as we see them, and they're
Speaker 1: and they're getting to play and and and for me,
Speaker 1: that's good. I have no prom playing young players. I
Speaker 1: would rather play young players and have them make mistakes
Speaker 1: than old players and have them make mistakes. You know
Speaker 1: that That's just me. But if you go back and
Speaker 1: you know, we we we focus in on the Cowboys
Speaker 1: with that twenty eighth pick in the draft last year,
Speaker 1: and we kind of would going in a lot of
Speaker 1: different ways. You know, with the whole argument, A lot
Speaker 1: of people are looking at what's going on with with
Speaker 1: say like TJ. Watt and then also with Taco Carlton,
Speaker 1: and then you talk to start talking about glad we're
Speaker 1: starting here for ye it's worth I don't think you
Speaker 1: can start this anywhere else. No, I don't think you
Speaker 1: can start this anything else. And I think the discussion
Speaker 1: the discussion in the war room was about you know, hey,
Speaker 1: they have to get a defensive end, you know, and
Speaker 1: Harris goes to Miami and Tack McKinley goes ahead of
Speaker 1: them into Atlanta. And now it's about taco or what
Speaker 1: for that matter. And now you're sitting there thinking. And
Speaker 1: even before the draft, we're sitting we're talking and we're
Speaker 1: going you know what, the scouts would bring up what
Speaker 1: and he's a player, you know, can he play with
Speaker 1: his hand down? Is he an outside linebacker? Or coaches
Speaker 1: are going to argue, hey, we don't want a project.
Speaker 1: We won't want somebody that's gonna stand We don't want
Speaker 1: to stand up guy when a guy hand on the ground.
Speaker 1: But if you look at things, the whole idea is
Speaker 1: to get the best player, right, The whole idea is
Speaker 1: to get the guy. You know, coaches, he's it's not
Speaker 1: a fit. It's not a fit. Now. Now, on the
Speaker 1: flip side of that, the coaches will say, hey, we
Speaker 1: can coach this guy, and the scouts will say, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we don't. There's another guy we like. So it goes
Speaker 1: both ways. But if you look at right now and
Speaker 1: the thing with what his production was against the Browns
Speaker 1: opening day. He stead the three sacks. You know, you
Speaker 1: look at you look at Harris. Not really much going
Speaker 1: on for him in Miami, and he got his first
Speaker 1: sack of the year exactly tack. McKinley haven't a whole
Speaker 1: you know, he's been encouraging production, hasn't been there. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: I'm saying though that this is where, you know, if
Speaker 1: you think that the Cowboy are doing it wrong right now,
Speaker 1: think about some other teams and where they thought guys
Speaker 1: were guys that we kind of liked. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think that we have to keep in mind too that
Speaker 1: this team was not drafting for the first five games
Speaker 1: of this season. They're drafting for yes, this season, but
Speaker 1: with the eye on the future, right you know. And
Speaker 1: so that's we had a lot of fun with the
Speaker 1: whole Taco needs seasoning and you have to play on words,
Speaker 1: and we had a lot of fun with that. But
Speaker 1: it was the truth as well. We knew he was
Speaker 1: a raw player at Michigan. Uh, you know, he has
Speaker 1: all the tools, but as you have to justin tuck right,
Speaker 1: remember that was the comparison that that you know that
Speaker 1: and and I thought it was a fair compar form
Speaker 1: my days to scouting in pro side, you know, justin Tuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's not that he's going to have that type
Speaker 1: of career, but similar style of player, style of player,
Speaker 1: that's what you're that's what you're looking for, and that's
Speaker 1: what you hope he can be. Now, you know, we
Speaker 1: we're not gonna spend too much time on this because
Speaker 1: we all know how we felt, you know, whether Taco
Speaker 1: was our top player plus personally right, But you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be interesting watching t J Watt
Speaker 1: and Tack McKinley. Uh. And you know these other pass
Speaker 1: rushers that you know they didn't have a chance attack McKinley,
Speaker 1: but if you liked them that much, you could trade
Speaker 1: up three spots and get them, sure, you know. And
Speaker 1: so it'll be something to watch as we move forward
Speaker 1: in a big part of that will be Taco's development
Speaker 1: or lock thereof. It's something that is going to be
Speaker 1: Uh maybe when we look back at this draft will
Speaker 1: be the main discussion point. Riddle me this though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is and yeah, I mean I think anybody that's
Speaker 1: listening to this probably remembers where we all fell on
Speaker 1: that um with and and I I wound up being
Speaker 1: a defender of Taco more so than anybody else. Sure, Um,
Speaker 1: so I want to know, you know, five weeks in Brian,
Speaker 1: maybe this is a better question for you, because I
Speaker 1: assume Dan's not really studying the tape of the Cowboys
Speaker 1: the way that you are. Through five games, Taco Charlton
Speaker 1: exactly what you thought, worse than you thought, and I
Speaker 1: this is a four year investment. I get that if
Speaker 1: you're closing the book on him, that's ridiculous. But even
Speaker 1: for me, who you know, I think in training camp,
Speaker 1: I said, I said four sacks would be a successful
Speaker 1: season for Taco, you know, just consistently being a part
Speaker 1: of it. How do I feel about dating I'll be
Speaker 1: completely honest, again, as somebody who I was more on
Speaker 1: board with the pick than everybody else, even with modest expectations,
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that he hasn't measured
Speaker 1: up to that as it stands through five weeks. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy who you were at least
Speaker 1: debating the merits of making him inactive in a couple
Speaker 1: of these games, because you Entrey Moore, you had David Irving,
Speaker 1: you had Charles Tapper for a little while before you
Speaker 1: got hurt. So you know, I didn't have high hopes
Speaker 1: for him, even as a first round pick. And I
Speaker 1: still feel as though he's been a little bit disappointing,
Speaker 1: and I wonder if that's fair. I think disappointing is
Speaker 1: a fair word, because even if he didn't have the
Speaker 1: sack numbers, you did see some production at Michigan, you know,
Speaker 1: the ability to play the run, to get off block.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was there were some things that you
Speaker 1: absolutely liked about him, you know, the power, the string.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think we've seen that. I tell
Speaker 1: you what. I tell you what I haven't seen from
Speaker 1: him that I haven't seen from him, And it surprised me.
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe we didn't see it at Michigan. And
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, Dane, because you scouted him
Speaker 1: just as much as I did. I was surprised he
Speaker 1: didn't have the pass for any pass rush moves when
Speaker 1: he got here. I mean, it's been it's been from hes.
Speaker 1: They've had to work from ground zero now, Yeah, to
Speaker 1: get him to at least come with a pass rush move.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember. I remember I remember him
Speaker 1: winning at Michigan. But was he winning more on effort
Speaker 1: and and and that that he was gef get off
Speaker 1: at lane. Then that's what. Yeah, that's what kind of
Speaker 1: helped him quite a bit going up against big ten tackles.
Speaker 1: I mean the second line of my report on Taco
Speaker 1: unimaginative pass rush sequence, predictable spin move. I mean that, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he does a lot of it here. Yeah. See that's
Speaker 1: where that that's where I think that to me, I
Speaker 1: think that that fans in general, and I felt like
Speaker 1: that we educated folks enough on this, you know, when
Speaker 1: the pick was made that you know, but I was surprised.
Speaker 1: I was surprised how little pass rush he had. You know.
Speaker 1: That's that I mean, that's that's the thing that I
Speaker 1: keep coming back to in my mind that, Okay, if
Speaker 1: he doesn't if he doesn't show any pass rush move,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna win. I didn't you know, he's not
Speaker 1: a quick guy. He's not an explosive guy off the ball.
Speaker 1: I think the thing and granted I'm well aware of
Speaker 1: the differences between preseason and regular season football, but in
Speaker 1: reps he was getting in the preseason, you were still
Speaker 1: seeing him. He was impacting plays, his you would notice him,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he's in the backfield.
Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't get the sack, but he's there. He
Speaker 1: beats the yeah. Yeah, and again that's coming against preseason players,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's why I think, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: I if he had he has no sacks, and on
Speaker 1: the surface, that's not disappointing to me, but it's disappointing
Speaker 1: that by and large, with the exception of a couple
Speaker 1: snaps against the Giants, I think he really there hasn't
Speaker 1: even been a reason to say his name during most
Speaker 1: of these gaps. That part of it has been disappointing.
Speaker 1: That that's certainly disappointing. I think you're absolutely right though
Speaker 1: about the down the line. You know, that's why they
Speaker 1: have Yeah, I think that you know, you fans don't
Speaker 1: want to have patience for the most part. And and
Speaker 1: you know what, and I I understand that, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know, you're you're trying to think about your
Speaker 1: defense is your defense is not playing the run. Your
Speaker 1: defense is not you know other than one guy, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're up there, you are getting a little pressure.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys fans were a little spoiled with what they
Speaker 1: got out of the twenty sixteen drafts. Okay, let's let's
Speaker 1: let's focus on the rest of the track. Well, I
Speaker 1: want real quick, I'm sorry before I know you want
Speaker 1: to talk about other stuff. But in regard to Taco,
Speaker 1: I wonder it seems like he is mainly they are
Speaker 1: mainly trying to play him at right end. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's a left end well, and just
Speaker 1: in the interest of getting something out of him, do
Speaker 1: you try to move him around or do you just
Speaker 1: try I mean, could he play him left? And I
Speaker 1: seem to be alone in the thought that maybe he
Speaker 1: could be useful at tackle for the time being. Yeah, any,
Speaker 1: I mean, even if it's in Nichols, we have you've seen,
Speaker 1: You've seen, like David Irvin's my point. They quickness off.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he's got better quickness for playing against
Speaker 1: guards than he does playing against tackles. I you know,
Speaker 1: because he saw him play some nickel tackle y and
Speaker 1: they they him and him and him and Lawrence were
Speaker 1: on the same side with some doing some games and stuff.
Speaker 1: They seem reluctant to be creative with him. And I
Speaker 1: get that he's raw and they probably want him to
Speaker 1: master the base six before they worry about that. But
Speaker 1: I'd love to see him try some different things out
Speaker 1: rather than must be there right in. I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with you there, David, Okay, pick two sixty was Hidobe
Speaker 1: a Woozier and I felt like that we and then
Speaker 1: you take the pick behind him, which would be Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis at three ninety two, kind of felt like we
Speaker 1: liked Jordan Lewis better than we liked Hidobe A Woozier. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I remember at the Senior Bowl sitting in the hotel
Speaker 1: room doing the draft show, talking about how and I
Speaker 1: think Jordan Lewis is a first rounder. Yeah, I liked
Speaker 1: him that much. Now, the whole off field stuff case
Speaker 1: that leaked in and that played a part, and you
Speaker 1: know his eventual and where he ended up. But hey,
Speaker 1: this is a good player. You know. The hight thing
Speaker 1: is something that out of a corner not ideal, but
Speaker 1: arm length was good enough. And this is a guy
Speaker 1: who my favorite thing about him he's always ball searching,
Speaker 1: and that's what you see with him so far with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. He's always looking for the ball, even when
Speaker 1: the receiver makes the catch, he's looking to get it out.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes he does. Sometimes he does, and he's
Speaker 1: still a young player getting used to the NFL. But
Speaker 1: I'm very encouraged with Jordan Lewis. I think he can
Speaker 1: be a starter in this league for a long time.
Speaker 1: He's looked outstanding. I got somebody yelled at me on
Speaker 1: Twitter today. I know he gave up the winning pass
Speaker 1: and yeah, I know he got called for holding on
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson. I don't care. He's been awesome. He's he's
Speaker 1: great in space, he makes the tackle, he keeps it.
Speaker 1: You know, a five yard catches a five yard catch.
Speaker 1: He doesn't give up extra yards to a runner in
Speaker 1: open space. He made a great play on the ball
Speaker 1: against Green Bay that gets completely overshadowed where the guy
Speaker 1: completed it down the sideline right Jordy Nelson, Yeah, hunched
Speaker 1: it out after it. Maybe it would have been a catch.
Speaker 1: And you haven't seen Nadallas cornerback who can make a
Speaker 1: play on the ball like that. Yeah, we didn't see
Speaker 1: him at all a training camp Dame and that, and
Speaker 1: yeah we didn't see it. I mean we you know
Speaker 1: the scouts, when you talk to scouts post draft, they
Speaker 1: loved him. They absolutely loved the kid. I pulled every
Speaker 1: scout and football person that was willing to talk to
Speaker 1: me unofficially, and Jordan Lewis was by far the draft
Speaker 1: pick they were most excited about it. Yeah, that doesn't
Speaker 1: surprise me at all. And you know we talked about
Speaker 1: not seeing much of him, well a Woozier with his
Speaker 1: injury stuff. You know how much has that hurt him
Speaker 1: so far? Through five games? It seems like there's always
Speaker 1: something hamstring he's dealing with, or you know, is he
Speaker 1: a better safety, better better corner where we're at with
Speaker 1: the Woozier. Yeah, See, Woozier played the other day and
Speaker 1: you know he came out the field because the hamstring
Speaker 1: got fatigued. It wasn't a full on poll or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Another but he's you know, he got three
Speaker 1: or four plays last week and made a couple of
Speaker 1: plays where he made some range plays playing safety. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna play safety here, I really do. I
Speaker 1: think they're I think they're getting him ready to him
Speaker 1: in the next pick. Who we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: two Xavier Woods. I think they're getting those guys ready
Speaker 1: to play in the future. Xavier Woods was playing safety
Speaker 1: in that. I mean, obviously Green Bay wound up winning
Speaker 1: the game, but they had him, had him last line
Speaker 1: of defense. Yeah, and he missed a couple of tackles,
Speaker 1: but he's been but I mean to get him on
Speaker 1: the field. The fact that they put him out there though,
Speaker 1: it's telling to me. Yeah, even if it didn't work out,
Speaker 1: it didn't work out for the whole defense. They put
Speaker 1: their sixth round pick out there with you know, the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterback driving for a touchdown. I understand
Speaker 1: fans upset about Taco and you know that's just not
Speaker 1: working out up to this point, but you have to
Speaker 1: be excited about what you've seen from these three defensive
Speaker 1: backs up to this point. I mean it, Yes, they're
Speaker 1: gonna make working mistakes, that's inevitable, right, But the flashes,
Speaker 1: the positives, that's what you take away from this draft
Speaker 1: class so far, at least from me. Yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: with that. I'm gonna sound too much like Brian here,
Speaker 1: so I apologize, But it's it's just a bummer that
Speaker 1: Cheeto has had this problem that you know, what happened
Speaker 1: at training camp, and it's been ongoing. It's been ongoing
Speaker 1: since it was fatigued. I pulled. I was told his fatigued,
Speaker 1: so they had to take him out. But you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully he'll be ready for the forty nine ers. That's hopefully,
Speaker 1: but then you never know how long are you gonna
Speaker 1: last in the game. You're hopeful he was ready for
Speaker 1: the for the Packers that lasted for maybe a quarter.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact count, but you know, and
Speaker 1: that's the point Brian made all through the preseason is
Speaker 1: that if these guys could get on the field. You're
Speaker 1: seeing what Jordan Lewis is doing on the fly with
Speaker 1: no training camp, and and it would it's amazing to
Speaker 1: think what him and Cheeto could be doing if they
Speaker 1: had just had a run of good health. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would imagine that they're certainly two of your top
Speaker 1: four defensive backs if both of them had a good
Speaker 1: run of health where they could consistently be playing. They
Speaker 1: steal Jordan Lewis in the third round. Absolutely, he Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he was a I wrote my report that
Speaker 1: his size is second round, but his instincts, his ball skills,
Speaker 1: his ability to play tight carverage all first round worthy.
Speaker 1: Now the whole again, the off field stuff kind of
Speaker 1: that crept into his evaluation and that that's a big
Speaker 1: part of it. But there's no question they got to
Speaker 1: steal with Jordan was outside of the top ninety picks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dane's right that, you know, you kind of get spoiled
Speaker 1: when half of your draft class is starting and contributing
Speaker 1: for you right away, like last year. But if I
Speaker 1: mean so, if you're looking at it, I'm not. You know,
Speaker 1: you're not closing the book on it by any means.
Speaker 1: But probably don't feel great about Taco right now. No,
Speaker 1: you don't. You probably don't feel great about Cheeto just
Speaker 1: because he's not playing. Yeah, but gosh, I mean the
Speaker 1: one the couple of times. Yeah, I mean I was
Speaker 1: on film. I'm not trying to kill the guy. No, no,
Speaker 1: you're not. It's just evaluation. You're right, you probably don't
Speaker 1: feel great about him because he hasn't had a chance
Speaker 1: to do anything right. You probably don't feel amazing about Switzer.
Speaker 1: He had a pretty costly mistake against the Rams. He
Speaker 1: has played really well against Arizona, though, I mean him
Speaker 1: and him and Jones were difference on the flipping the
Speaker 1: field for in that Arizona game. I get so, I'm no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm with I'm with checklist. You feel great about Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: I feel phenomenal about him. He looks like a starter
Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. Draft reminds me very much of
Speaker 1: how we used to do things in Green Bay, and
Speaker 1: I hate to be back in the day, guy, but
Speaker 1: I'll be that way. We would miss on the first
Speaker 1: round pick, but then we would hit three, four, and five,
Speaker 1: and then nobody ever remembered who we picked in the
Speaker 1: first round. The back end, then I guess that's where
Speaker 1: I was going. The back end looks pretty nice. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis looks great, Xavier Woods looks great, especially when
Speaker 1: you consider where you got him. And then my guy,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown made the team as a six receiver. He's
Speaker 1: been active, Sure, not a lot of opportunities, but he's
Speaker 1: shown some flashes. I mean, he's made him when he's
Speaker 1: had those opportunity. What do you think about the Switzer one?
Speaker 1: Though we all liked the pick, we all liked what
Speaker 1: we saw at OTA's right, and then the minicamp he
Speaker 1: gets hurt. He just hasn't done anything yet, though, has
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about the Arizona game. I didn't
Speaker 1: give him proper credit for the Arizona game. He did
Speaker 1: do some nice stuff there. He's had very few opportunities
Speaker 1: on offense he had, He's had a couple of nice returns.
Speaker 1: The fumble, I mean, that's the thing that stands out
Speaker 1: the most of everything right now. Right they drafted him
Speaker 1: to be your upgrade over Lucky. We hit basically, you know,
Speaker 1: your returner, a guy that you incorporate on offense in
Speaker 1: some way, whether it's a jet sweep or however we
Speaker 1: want to use him. But yeah, up to this point,
Speaker 1: you know, I you know, it's just it's an like
Speaker 1: all these guys incomplete grade. You know, we just there's
Speaker 1: been some ups, been some downs. But no, I think
Speaker 1: you have to feel good about how he can contribute
Speaker 1: down the road. But I understand that, you know right now,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just incomplete David, I'll hit you on
Speaker 1: this one ahead, and and and Dan, you can chime in.
Speaker 1: Rank them how they were, how they are right now,
Speaker 1: rank them from one to five, and how you feel
Speaker 1: about how I feel right now or how I feel
Speaker 1: about what they will be. No, No, right now, Okay,
Speaker 1: Taco O Woozier, Lewis Switzer Woods and Brown. Lewis won
Speaker 1: Woods too, Cheeto three, Um, Switzer four, Brown, five, Taco last. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's six guys in right. Yeah, sorry, you're fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's including value, I mean, yeah, no, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean I put Woods as highly as I do.
Speaker 1: There's a little a little bias there obviously. I mean
Speaker 1: if you remember draft, but playing right now, but right now,
Speaker 1: I mean he's been he's been a solid nickelback, which
Speaker 1: like people didn't even know he could do that. I
Speaker 1: know we did it at Tech, but NFL is a
Speaker 1: different story, and we talked about that. He played nickel there.
Speaker 1: They're playing him at nickelback. They've played him in dime,
Speaker 1: They've played him at regular old safety. Uh, he's played
Speaker 1: special teams and he's shown up. He didn't do a
Speaker 1: lot against the Packers, but throughout this season had a
Speaker 1: great pass break up against the Cardinals. Um, he's made
Speaker 1: some nice hits and and again you got him in
Speaker 1: the sixth round. I think that that weighs heavily in
Speaker 1: my mind as well. That's why I kind of rank
Speaker 1: him aside. How do you feel you feel about the
Speaker 1: same way. Yeah, Taco is the tough one because again,
Speaker 1: it's a potential pick. It's you know, you've said that,
Speaker 1: You've said that, you've been fair about where he is
Speaker 1: right now. It's not going to be first round value.
Speaker 1: That's just that's who he is. When we look back
Speaker 1: at this in a year, will fuel differently. Yeah wish,
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish he would shown up like Lawson.
Speaker 1: Oh well, we knew that wasn't gonna happen. No, no no,
Speaker 1: but but that's what I'm saying, right, I mean, you
Speaker 1: wish he'd just shown up and been the best pass
Speaker 1: rusher in the rookie class. Well no, but but I
Speaker 1: know on our one oh five three board we had
Speaker 1: lost in the first round I loved Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: ahead of Taco. So yeah, it's yeah, what Carl Lawson's
Speaker 1: doing right now with the Bengals does not surprise any
Speaker 1: of us. And that's what I'm saying. I mean, you
Speaker 1: wish you wish it picking him at twenty eight, that
Speaker 1: he would he would have that kind of production. I look,
Speaker 1: this is no disrespect to anyone that works for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the personel department. Any coaches. You're gonna say
Speaker 1: something about why aren't you No, No, but what when
Speaker 1: I come up through this business, and I relied on
Speaker 1: some GMS and scouts to really groom me and teach
Speaker 1: me and all that. One of the first things I
Speaker 1: was taught was don't assume for a second just because
Speaker 1: they have a GM title, just because they have a
Speaker 1: certain title, coach, whatever, that they know more than you
Speaker 1: and all the work that we do. We knew about
Speaker 1: Karl Lawson, that was didn't shock us. We knew about
Speaker 1: Taco Charlton. So sure you wish that Taco Charlton would
Speaker 1: have the impact that Karl Lawson is, but we knew
Speaker 1: that wasn't realistic. Carl Lawson, I still haven't gotten a
Speaker 1: great response about why he fed all the fourth round.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I mean, we we know he
Speaker 1: had the injury stuff, but players with far worse injury
Speaker 1: histories have gone a lot higher than the fourth round,
Speaker 1: So that one's a mystery. You should have at least
Speaker 1: gone in somewhere in the second or third day too,
Speaker 1: But with Taco, again, it's just it's a lot. You know.
Speaker 1: We I didn't like to pick, I don't think you
Speaker 1: guys really like to pick, but in fairness to the player,
Speaker 1: in fairness to see what happened the situation. Let's let's
Speaker 1: play it out. Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, we're gonna take our
Speaker 1: first break. We started a little late today, so we're
Speaker 1: gonna take our first break right now, and then when
Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna take a big picture look
Speaker 1: at some of the guys around the league that we
Speaker 1: talked about and see how what Dane and Dave think
Speaker 1: about their season so far. And then I want to
Speaker 1: I want to save some time at the end to
Speaker 1: have Dane almost like a tell me more. I know
Speaker 1: Dave and I really haven't had a chance to study,
Speaker 1: but you know, we watch a lot of college football.
Speaker 1: Maybe Dane Burger can fill us in on some guys
Speaker 1: that we need to kind of take a look at
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Speaker 1: We're gonna get William up to speed on this draft stuff.
Speaker 1: It would be good one day. We're kind of going
Speaker 1: through things. We reviewed what the Cowboys picks were, uh
Speaker 1: this year, and just kind of an idea of what
Speaker 1: we think, uh, you know, what direction these guys are going.
Speaker 1: We seem to feel like that that Taco is a
Speaker 1: guy that needs uh you know, further evaluation, you know,
Speaker 1: needs further opportunity, needs to play better. Just in all
Speaker 1: fairness to him. You just you got some young guys
Speaker 1: that are playing well, said a couple of nice things,
Speaker 1: and then you just cut to the bottom line, Yeah, better.
Speaker 1: You need to play better. You need to play better,
Speaker 1: need to show reason to be out out there more
Speaker 1: snaps than five or six a game. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: be a guy to go out there and get it done,
Speaker 1: and he really just hasn't done that. But I'm going
Speaker 1: to focus in on some guys that have been getting
Speaker 1: it done from around the league. And we saw a
Speaker 1: guy last night play quarterback for Chicago Bears, Mitch Trubiski.
Speaker 1: Much was talked about him, you know, with the in
Speaker 1: the comparison him or Deshaun Watson. I think guys feel
Speaker 1: pretty good about what Deshaun Watson has been able to accomplish.
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so mad because I'm gonna wind up
Speaker 1: losing a bet to Dane on a technicality because I
Speaker 1: said during draft weekend that Deshaun would start sixteen games.
Speaker 1: I was technically wrong because he did not start the opener,
Speaker 1: start fifteen and a half, clearly thanks to Bill O'Brien's stubbornness.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be wrong because Deshaun Watson is great. Texans
Speaker 1: look incredibly smart. Well, credit to the Texans with the
Speaker 1: way that they're molding the playbook to fit Deshawnt. Sure,
Speaker 1: we're seeing zone Reid, we're seeing option, We're seeing uh,
Speaker 1: you know, allowing him to use his legs, his mobility,
Speaker 1: and that sets up the past downfield, which so far
Speaker 1: the Shaun has taken advantage of all the credit in
Speaker 1: the world as Shaun Watson and the Texans for the
Speaker 1: way they're hand handling that situation. That's what we don't
Speaker 1: see enough of with these rookie quarterbacks. We saw last
Speaker 1: night with Chicago or Monday Night Football with Chicago. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, watching Mitchell Trubisky with you know, the boots
Speaker 1: and the waggles exactly. That's what his strength, his athleticism,
Speaker 1: the way he can throw on the move. We're not
Speaker 1: seeing that enough. I mean, I think the perfect examples
Speaker 1: watch Cleveland right now with the right which the way
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson. The Browns are just ruining the situation with
Speaker 1: the rookie quarterback and they're bailing on him after four
Speaker 1: and a half games with the Shawan Kaiser who has
Speaker 1: not played well, but the moment you started him from
Speaker 1: the season opener, you punted on your season. Sure you
Speaker 1: know you committed to developing the young quarterback, not winning games,
Speaker 1: and now the Browns are kind of yeah, they're they're
Speaker 1: worried about flirting with another en sixteen season like they
Speaker 1: did last year, and so they're gonna go with probably
Speaker 1: with Kevin Hogan. It's not officially yet, but I imaginely
Speaker 1: go with Kevin Hogan, an undrafted player from last year,
Speaker 1: and we'll see. But you know, the Browns fans better
Speaker 1: get used to the name Sam Darnold. Josh Rosen sure
Speaker 1: does Trubisky. It's funny. I believe Trubisky was selected from
Speaker 1: a pick that the brown the Browns had, and I
Speaker 1: also I believe Watson was selected a right. Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: was Carson Wentz. I'm sorry it wasn't. Trubisky was Wins right,
Speaker 1: So it's Watson and Wins with a two that were
Speaker 1: selected by picks that the Browns had at one time.
Speaker 1: The Dane's point, though, it's the age old you know,
Speaker 1: it's the age old question that you can't really answer,
Speaker 1: like how good would those guys be right now? And
Speaker 1: it's sad because that's why the Browns hired Hugh Jackson. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: his ability with quarterbacks and his play calling, and so
Speaker 1: far that's the two biggest issues with that team. And
Speaker 1: so when you're one in twenty as a head coach
Speaker 1: with a team, you're not gonna get many more opportunity.
Speaker 1: You're not not at all. Just kind of go through
Speaker 1: that first ten. Miles Garrett coming back off some injury,
Speaker 1: played nineteen snaps, had two sacks. I mean, he looked
Speaker 1: like a number one pick, like he was playing on
Speaker 1: one leg and he was still just a beast. I
Speaker 1: mean he as much as the Browns might regret not
Speaker 1: taking Trebisky at one, yeah, they got a stud at
Speaker 1: number one with with Garrett, So there you can't look
Speaker 1: back at that and be upset. Gonna study a little
Speaker 1: Solomon Thomas for the forty nine ers. That's the Cowboy's
Speaker 1: next opponent, you know him going the third of our
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette at four. Hey, does Leonard Fournette him with
Speaker 1: him having success in Jacksonville, does it keep that mode
Speaker 1: that we're talking about with the Runners now, with the
Speaker 1: Runners which being in that top five, top ten, I
Speaker 1: gotta give I gotta I mean, I know I'm a homer,
Speaker 1: but props to Leonard Fournette because like he doesn't have
Speaker 1: the line that Zeke had last year. Sure, and he's
Speaker 1: he's not just cranking out yards the way Zeke did.
Speaker 1: You know, I think by this point Zeke was already
Speaker 1: flirting with a thousand, at least it felt that way
Speaker 1: last year. But I mean, Fournette has scored a touchdown
Speaker 1: in every game of his career and has flirted with
Speaker 1: one hundred yards if if not gotten there, and then
Speaker 1: I think he almost hit two hundred because he had
Speaker 1: a ninety yard run at the end of that game
Speaker 1: last week. I'm sure y'all had to have seen that
Speaker 1: highlight of Hyeah welcoming the contact. Oh my god, that
Speaker 1: was incredible. It was. And hey, credit to the Jaguars
Speaker 1: is again, if you're gonna Tom Coughlin going for the
Speaker 1: tough back, if you're gonna make that type of commitment
Speaker 1: in the top five, you better better hit it your
Speaker 1: offense to Oh, they're help at Bortles. Bortles is your guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bortles is a guy that Jeff Kavanaugh loves to get
Speaker 1: on me about. And he's not perfect, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: but they do have him a running game and they
Speaker 1: do it, and they've built a little bit of defense
Speaker 1: there too. There's a good enough to beat the Steelers badly,
Speaker 1: big time beat the Steelers going down Christian McCaffrey. I
Speaker 1: actually I looked his stats up specifically, and maybe I
Speaker 1: shouldn't be surprised, but these numbers jump off the page
Speaker 1: to me. One is that he has not hit one
Speaker 1: hundred yards rushing yet on the season. The other is
Speaker 1: that he's already got twenty seven catches. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: we always thought he can do. Yeah, no, for sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: totally fits his skill set. But it's still kind of
Speaker 1: amazing when you see that two hundred and thirty receiving
Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown. I think when he was drafted
Speaker 1: by the Panthers, I predicted he'd be offensive rookie of
Speaker 1: the year and he still could be, but maybe not
Speaker 1: quite as fast as start as I thought, but it's agree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like the Panthers are starting to figure it out, though,
Speaker 1: because I know he had his best game of the
Speaker 1: year in this most scored his first touchdown. But you know,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart's still getting the lion's share of the carries.
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see how they used McCaffrey
Speaker 1: shovel the other day for a touchdown. Do a little
Speaker 1: shovel passed him underneath. One of Dane Brugler's favorite players
Speaker 1: in this draft was Malik Hooker, safety from Ohio State.
Speaker 1: He ends up going fifteen to the Colts. How how
Speaker 1: does that happen? He's got three interceptions for you already.
Speaker 1: It's the most unsurprising thing ever that he would have
Speaker 1: three interceptions and his first three starts like that's all
Speaker 1: he did at Ohio State. And yeah, there were safeties
Speaker 1: who were taking you know, of course the Jamal Adams
Speaker 1: was taking ahead of him. He's Jamal Adams has done
Speaker 1: a nice job. He got beat by David Njoku, the
Speaker 1: Browns tight end rook another first round rookie, for a
Speaker 1: touchdown on Sunday. But for the most part, Jamal Adams
Speaker 1: has had a nice rookie year so far. But Mallie
Speaker 1: Cooker but not better than the Lake Hooker though, right,
Speaker 1: I mean when you factor in what he can do
Speaker 1: in coverage, that's just it's it's a game changer. Mallie
Speaker 1: Cooker can change a game with him being back there.
Speaker 1: Picks or how you establish a name for yourself as
Speaker 1: a safety, well he'll be on the whole. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all rookie thing all rookie team. Jonathan Allen talked about
Speaker 1: him dropping down to seventeen. That was a surprise Redskins.
Speaker 1: You'll see him. He's had a good, good rookie year
Speaker 1: so far, He's not. That was another one of those picks,
Speaker 1: like Malie Cooker, you were thinking, now, this guy's going
Speaker 1: top three, top four. Yeah. I mean maybe there were
Speaker 1: people that had Jonathan out and maybe because of the
Speaker 1: shoulder though too right, that was a big thing. But
Speaker 1: there were some people that had Jonathan Allen ahead of
Speaker 1: Solomon Thomas in this draft. I remember some people some
Speaker 1: rumblings about should he go ahead of Miles Garrett, you know,
Speaker 1: because he's he was the more proven player, the more bright,
Speaker 1: productive player. But you know, he's had a good, solid
Speaker 1: year the Redskins. You know, at seventeen overall, that's a
Speaker 1: great value. That's a great value pick. Look down there. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is where it starts getting a little murky for
Speaker 1: me because O. J. Howard goes to Tampa at nineteen.
Speaker 1: I think that's the first time I've heard his name
Speaker 1: since the season started. Well, I mean the Thursday night
Speaker 1: game was one of his only targets of the year
Speaker 1: and the final pass that he wasn't even look. But
Speaker 1: isn't that surprising though, we I mean we thought about him.
Speaker 1: I mean people were talking about, boy, he could be
Speaker 1: a well he'd be great to have here at the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there wasn't him as he's seen the field, but it's
Speaker 1: as a blocking type. Yeah, So it's it is a
Speaker 1: little surprising that they haven't incorporated him a little more
Speaker 1: into the offense. Give him a few targets, let him
Speaker 1: run some routes. Uh, yeah, he could help this team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she surely could. At least he's used to that, you know,
Speaker 1: coming coming from Alabama. Then then you get down into
Speaker 1: you get down going into the draft. We've talked about Okay, Dan,
Speaker 1: and you're you're the really the polarizing guy in this trap,
Speaker 1: you know in a in a way that kind of
Speaker 1: got us all arguing back and forth. And you're you
Speaker 1: watched the Browns quite a bit talk about Jabrill Peppers though,
Speaker 1: and really what what his and if you want to
Speaker 1: project him like you did Taco, if you want to say, well,
Speaker 1: he's they're playing him out of position or well they are,
Speaker 1: and I think the Browns they playing a running back
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just beating up on the Browns.
Speaker 1: But they misevaluated him because they're using him as a
Speaker 1: free safety. Yeah, they're using him thirty forty yards away
Speaker 1: from the line. You can't do. You got to be
Speaker 1: up on the line with him. Yeah, exactly. And so
Speaker 1: if they wanted a free safety, if they wanted a
Speaker 1: center field type, then you stay at the thirteenth pick
Speaker 1: and you take Milie cook Cooker. I remember that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they traded away. I mean we talk about the Shawn Watson.
Speaker 1: They trade away from him. They also trade away from
Speaker 1: Millie Cooker, who if they wanted at that center field type,
Speaker 1: that's who you take. You don't take Jabrill Peppers, who
Speaker 1: has never been your Coverage has never been his strength
Speaker 1: as a player. He's a great athlete, we know that,
Speaker 1: but he's also a much better player downhill or a
Speaker 1: guy that if you want to cover the tight end,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he can get better in that area.
Speaker 1: But as a true center field type, that's just not
Speaker 1: his game. And so I think the Browns are misusing
Speaker 1: him right now, and because of it, he's there are
Speaker 1: a lot of negative plays on his tape, mistackles, poor angles, Uh,
Speaker 1: he's late anticipating, and you know that just it goes
Speaker 1: to you know, the mistake by the Browns if they
Speaker 1: mis evaluated him from the start. Hopefully they can correct that.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of interesting names in the
Speaker 1: late first whether or not the Cowboys had a chance
Speaker 1: on him one of them. Now I want to talk
Speaker 1: about Evan Ingram. Yeah. I was a little a little
Speaker 1: tough on this pick because you know, of course Giants
Speaker 1: didn't need any more firepower. And now you look at
Speaker 1: it now, the lone guy stand exactly. Yeah. And Evan
Speaker 1: Ingram has been solid. Yeah, I mean, but were we
Speaker 1: wrong to say that maybe Ryan Ramsick would have help
Speaker 1: that team more? Yeah? Yeah, he has had nineteen catches
Speaker 1: for two hundred yards, one touchdowns. He's off to a
Speaker 1: phenomenal start. And we all love Dave Evan Ingram as
Speaker 1: a player, and so this isn't a knock against a player,
Speaker 1: it's just the Giants. Is that really what you needed
Speaker 1: to kind of put you over the hump? Or could
Speaker 1: you have used some offensive line help or could you
Speaker 1: use some help on defense? So you know, it is
Speaker 1: ironic now that Evan Ingraham is probably Eli Manning's top
Speaker 1: target left standing. So it's yeah, we're talking about because
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, because ram Check goes to the Saints
Speaker 1: at thirty two, and then after that you get Jacksonville
Speaker 1: takes Cam Robinson at thirty four, and then you go
Speaker 1: down a little bit further though, that's when the forest
Speaker 1: lamp goes, uh, you know, to the Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 1: I thought of Dan immediately when that guy tore his aca.
Speaker 1: Fortunately no more lamp for him, it does. So but okay,
Speaker 1: well we go down, we go down through now we'll
Speaker 1: think about it into the second round. Here some guys
Speaker 1: Kevin Cook the other day from you know, we got
Speaker 1: we got to see Kevin Kevin n I still think
Speaker 1: of the tight end the Cowboy that could have been, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kevin King. You know, okay, watched I you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I watched Kevin King or Taco right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe now maybe you don't draft well, and we we
Speaker 1: talked about this, but then maybe you don't get us.
Speaker 1: We talked about this on Cowboys breakheading into that Packers game,
Speaker 1: which is you know you certainly it was the age
Speaker 1: old argument and and there isn't enough evidence to suggest
Speaker 1: that they were right or wrong. But they took Taco
Speaker 1: because they thought that they could get DBS later on,
Speaker 1: and that certainly looks to be true. You feel really
Speaker 1: good about Lewis, and good so far about cheetoh, all
Speaker 1: things Lewis. We think because of the court case, right,
Speaker 1: sometimes you need a little look. Yeah, right, well sure,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, but they thought that they thought that
Speaker 1: they could get really quality DBS later in the draft,
Speaker 1: and they were right as the doors right now. Who
Speaker 1: knows if Taco pans into anything. But if you're saying, okay,
Speaker 1: well maybe you should have after Kevin King, then you're
Speaker 1: going back to Terrell Basham. You're going back to Derek Rivers.
Speaker 1: Derek Rivers who is on IR right now. So we
Speaker 1: really have no idea how he would be performing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'll be completely honest with you. I have
Speaker 1: no idea if Terrell Basham is making any noise at all.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard his name, Yeah, not very much at all. Um. So,
Speaker 1: and you know, draft logic suggests that you're more likely
Speaker 1: to find Yeah, if you expect your pass rusher to
Speaker 1: make a difference early on, you're more likely to get
Speaker 1: him at twenty eight than you are at ninety two. Right,
Speaker 1: So I have a hard time faulting the strategy involved there,
Speaker 1: even though Kevin King certainly seems like he's on his
Speaker 1: way to being a good player looking down the line
Speaker 1: about this A two forty one Dalvin Cook, Dalvin Cook hate,
Speaker 1: it's terrible if he had a Terris acl out for
Speaker 1: the year, just a bad way start his career. We
Speaker 1: talked about injuries with him. It's just it's unfortunate. Didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily have the body armor that you look for in
Speaker 1: a run back. I meant, yeah, who knows if he's
Speaker 1: gonna be injury prone the rest of his career, hopefully not,
Speaker 1: Hopefully comes back and he's the same Dalvin Cook, because
Speaker 1: when he's on, I thought he was the best running
Speaker 1: back from this class. Uh, you're going into the draft
Speaker 1: and then you know, through four games only Kareem Hunt
Speaker 1: to me, was having a better season. Kareem Hunt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted. Now we'll go down into that third round
Speaker 1: talking about that. Those backs. Alvin Kamara was a guy.
Speaker 1: You know, he gets secret selected three sixty seven by
Speaker 1: the Saints, already already off to a good start, and
Speaker 1: then it only looks more promising now than Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: is no longer something. Yeah, twenty catches for one forty seven.
Speaker 1: You know he's only got eighty three yards Russian right now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what he did at Tennessee though. Use
Speaker 1: him out of the backfield as a receiver, that that's
Speaker 1: his specialty. Use him as a punt returner so much
Speaker 1: more than just uh, you know, hand hand the ball
Speaker 1: off type of running back. Cooper Cups should have gone
Speaker 1: higher than he went three sixty nine to the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Rams. Yep, he's a better please a you look
Speaker 1: at some of the receivers that were taken in the
Speaker 1: second round, you know, like a Schuster Smith right was
Speaker 1: a guy comes to mind. Yeah. I also think about
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel, what he's done, you know, with with with Carolina,
Speaker 1: and Cooper Cup was such a you have to have
Speaker 1: a specific position in mind for him, yeah, like play
Speaker 1: him well, but I just Cooper Cup put him in
Speaker 1: the slot. Yeah, and you know he can be that guy.
Speaker 1: Not every team needs a slot receiver, but if you
Speaker 1: did have a need for a slot Cooper Cup was
Speaker 1: that perfect target to have in the second third round
Speaker 1: at the Rams, I think, ye, they got themselves a
Speaker 1: really good player, and it didn't take long for Golf
Speaker 1: and Cup to develop that chemistry. You could see it
Speaker 1: right away in the preseason. And we're gonna see we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about Golf the Cup, I think for
Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah. I that's a perfect receiver for
Speaker 1: a young quarterback. And he's a young player himself. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a players dropped a touchdown yesterday round Sunday. Actually,
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna I've seen it makes some incredible catches.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen often, not gonna happen very often
Speaker 1: at all. You're right about that. You talked about Basham.
Speaker 1: He's played five games for the Colts. It only has
Speaker 1: one tackle. Yeah, So you know, maybe all these defensive
Speaker 1: ends that we were talking about, Harris McKinley, you know,
Speaker 1: they're all like I think everybody around the league is
Speaker 1: probably a little disappointed in their defensive ends, with the
Speaker 1: exception of Cincinnati. Cincinnati, we're broken records around here. But
Speaker 1: it's a hard position to acclimate too quickly. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you're Miles Garrett and you go first overall, maybe
Speaker 1: you get two sacks in your in your debut. Yes, TJ.
Speaker 1: Watt certainly looks like that. That's you know, if if
Speaker 1: you're gonna second guess it, I'm tired of hearing it
Speaker 1: at this point, but I at least have to admit
Speaker 1: that as of right now, you have a point, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like t J. Watt looks like
Speaker 1: a player. He looked like a player in the preseason.
Speaker 1: He's made some noise. I know that he made a
Speaker 1: lot of that production against the Browns, but he's just
Speaker 1: he's making a difference for the Steeler. He's got eighteen tackles,
Speaker 1: three sacks, an interception, and a couple of past defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: none of us are surprised. That's that's nuts for a
Speaker 1: rookie taken at the back end of the first round, honestly,
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know so if you want to sit
Speaker 1: there and say they should have taken t J. Watt
Speaker 1: over Taco, I really don't have much recourse, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You know, right now, let me ask
Speaker 1: you this. And I had somebody had a scout tell
Speaker 1: me this, not a cowboy scout, but another scout just
Speaker 1: in passing. You know, do you do you buy into
Speaker 1: just take players? Just take I mean, don't think about oh,
Speaker 1: is he a scheme fit or not. If the guy
Speaker 1: is a good player, take him absolutely. I mean you
Speaker 1: know that, Oh, well he can't do this. He can't.
Speaker 1: We've never seen him put his hand on the ground.
Speaker 1: He's that. I think there's a I think there's a
Speaker 1: phrase for that that Dane and Jeff Kavanaugh would like
Speaker 1: to use. Trust the trust, Trust the tape, Trust the tape.
Speaker 1: But see, that's what I'm saying, sometimes we get too
Speaker 1: caught up in the oh, he's not a position specific guy.
Speaker 1: There's take the damn player. I'm I'm trying like there's
Speaker 1: there there's some exception. Yeah, I just mentioned Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd had the same success on the
Speaker 1: outside as he would in the slot. I think the
Speaker 1: way Cooper Cup can manipulate the middle of the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they put him on the field, he's gonna make plays, right,
Speaker 1: But I don't think he'd be as successful outside. And
Speaker 1: so with that said, I do, like like David said,
Speaker 1: I think there are some exceptions where you know, there
Speaker 1: are such thing as as scheme specific players. T J.
Speaker 1: Watt was not a scheme specific specific player in my opinion,
Speaker 1: because you saw it put his hand on the ground
Speaker 1: in Russia a little bit. Plus you can tweak your
Speaker 1: defense a little bit, so if you want him to
Speaker 1: stand up, move around a little yeah, yeah. Yeah. In
Speaker 1: this day and age, the Cowboys are one of the
Speaker 1: only teams in the league that just does the boring
Speaker 1: flour down linemen and guy, I mean left end, right end.
Speaker 1: Those teams have no idea what that even means. The Packers,
Speaker 1: I watched the tape of them heading into that game,
Speaker 1: like they use one and two down linemen regular base.
Speaker 1: Sure they'll they'll put Kenny Clark on the nose and
Speaker 1: then just have five other guys kind of moving around
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Uh no, But well, on one
Speaker 1: guy that comes to mind, I have no idea what
Speaker 1: he's doing. I think he's in Miami. But Cordrea Tankersley, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you know, he might be the best cornerback in
Speaker 1: the world for what they do, but I don't know
Speaker 1: that he would be successful here. Sure, you know, press
Speaker 1: press man guy. Yeah, I don't know that that works
Speaker 1: with how the Cowboys like to play their dbs. So
Speaker 1: I think there is scheme matters a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you rush the pass or you rush the pig,
Speaker 1: don't you get disrupt, don't overthink? All right? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the last guy I want to get to because
Speaker 1: I want to get to Dane. I'm gonna give Dane
Speaker 1: some time to kind of run through some tell me
Speaker 1: more guys. We talked about cream Hunt three eighty six,
Speaker 1: Kansas City, unbelievable. Then John Dorsey gets fired. He looks,
Speaker 1: I mean, he looks every bit to them, like what
Speaker 1: Zeke looked like? Here he is there Dak Prescott this
Speaker 1: year isn't Yeah? Yeah, the late the third fourth round guy,
Speaker 1: take it. We talked about him in Mobile. We liked them.
Speaker 1: We liked them a lot. I mean I feel foolish
Speaker 1: for giving him a third round grade because you know,
Speaker 1: why would you feel foolish? I mean that's because we
Speaker 1: like but that's why. That's where the Chiefs got him.
Speaker 1: But why not why I battle with this because okay,
Speaker 1: why didn't I have him hire? You know what traits? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a thing. What traits? What traits put
Speaker 1: him in the third round? Don't you like? You can't
Speaker 1: beat yourself up like that, though in the same way,
Speaker 1: so you can. It's it's part of self evaluation. It
Speaker 1: is self evaluation, figuring out, Okay, why didn't we have
Speaker 1: him higher, and you know, trying not to overcompensate moving forward,
Speaker 1: you know, try to learn from them. You always want
Speaker 1: to learn from But I say, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: If you redrafted twenty sixteen right now, you'd probably take
Speaker 1: Dak first. Overall, he's going first. Does that mean that
Speaker 1: everybody who said anything about quarterback was wrong? Or does
Speaker 1: that mean that you know, you identified the trades, you
Speaker 1: identified what he does well and what he doesn't do well,
Speaker 1: and then you put him in a situation that's just like,
Speaker 1: you know, a match to Kindling. He's got a great
Speaker 1: offensive line, he's got a scheme and a coaching staff
Speaker 1: that know how to work with him. He's got a
Speaker 1: run that coaches staff. With Westbrook, those guys Sproul, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean only that's Sprouls, but no Westbrook, they had
Speaker 1: those guys. Slippery player. It's it's this would Kareem and
Speaker 1: maybe he would be, But would you know, would Kareem
Speaker 1: Hunt be doing this if Alex Smith wasn't having the
Speaker 1: best season of his life. I think he's helping Alex Smith.
Speaker 1: He most certainly is. I'm not trying to take credit
Speaker 1: away from anybody. I guess he's the reason why Alex
Speaker 1: Smith's yards per throw has gone up if every time
Speaker 1: he throws him the ball he seems like he ghosts. Well,
Speaker 1: and we're also probably not talking about Karem Hunt right now.
Speaker 1: If Spencer Ware doesn't get hurt, sure and Spencer aware
Speaker 1: was going to be the starter, I mean, will you
Speaker 1: still would have seen Kareem Hunt? But that matter? What
Speaker 1: if Tarik Hill wasn't scaring the crap out of every
Speaker 1: defense that he lines up against because he's so fast. So,
Speaker 1: I you know, to some degree, you grade the player,
Speaker 1: you identify him, you figure out what he does, well,
Speaker 1: you slot him. Sometimes you're gonna be dead on right
Speaker 1: and sometimes you're gonna be drastically long. Well, it's different
Speaker 1: with I think like a quarterback like Dak who you
Speaker 1: know that was that was tough to predict. I don't
Speaker 1: know anyone that thought that would see this coming. But
Speaker 1: with Kareem Hunt, are we really that surprised because we,
Speaker 1: like we thought he was capable of this. So that
Speaker 1: one I'm I you know, bothers me having a third
Speaker 1: round grade on him having some running backs ahead of him,
Speaker 1: But I mean, none of us are surprised with when
Speaker 1: he's a good player. I guess, I guess my point. Really,
Speaker 1: you know, you weren't wrong in the sense that you
Speaker 1: put him right where the NFL thought he would go. Right,
Speaker 1: you had a third round grade on him. He was
Speaker 1: drafting the third round. He's wildly exceeding those expectations. And
Speaker 1: sometimes stuff like that happens. Sometimes sometimes Laquon Treadwell still
Speaker 1: doesn't have ten catches and we all thought he was
Speaker 1: the freaking man. Yeah, that's about that. That's the one
Speaker 1: where you know, you remember remember the missus more? Do
Speaker 1: you remember the hits? I trust me on that. I
Speaker 1: loved that guy. Yeah. I was watching the Vikings last night.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, God, this is embarrassing. He doesn't even
Speaker 1: get on. I struggle with that one because that's I
Speaker 1: look at a big, strong receiver now and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gonna be like like one treadmill, what truck will now? Yeah? What? Yah?
Speaker 1: Treadmill is right because he's just going in place. All right,
Speaker 1: good point like that? All right, Well, listen, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take one final break in the last ten minutes of
Speaker 1: the show. I want Dane Brugler to tell us some
Speaker 1: more about some guys we need to keep an eye
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Speaker 1: club back here of the Draft show from the SWBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios. Brian brought us, Dan Burglar, David Hellman William
Speaker 1: Boykin's helping us out with all the uh, the moving
Speaker 1: and shaken in that control room. Dan, I just want
Speaker 1: to kind of flip the show over to you. I
Speaker 1: had about ten minutes or so kind of talk about
Speaker 1: you've you've already hammered through a bunch of guys. David myself,
Speaker 1: we get started this thing around the first of December
Speaker 1: and met the earlier of things happened. All right, let's
Speaker 1: not be defeatist here now, defeat I used to get
Speaker 1: started on the first of December. You got started in
Speaker 1: the first of December in twenty fifteen when they were four.
Speaker 1: And I did it last year too, Did you really
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it again? I do. I get the
Speaker 1: itch to see, but kind of go through you know,
Speaker 1: and you don't have to be positioned specific but just
Speaker 1: some of the guys and and if if there's a
Speaker 1: couple of guys like, hey, keep an eye on this
Speaker 1: guy from Utah or keep an eye on this guy
Speaker 1: from Colorado State that might might tickle our fancies. Well,
Speaker 1: first thing I'll say, and I hate to say this,
Speaker 1: but I don't think this draft class is gonna be
Speaker 1: as talented as this past draft class. Or as deep,
Speaker 1: which hopefully I'm wrong. Hopefully the junior class, underclassman will
Speaker 1: really help us out with the seniors. But I think
Speaker 1: and the names at the top two you know, Miles Garrett,
Speaker 1: we knew all along was the top player this year.
Speaker 1: We don't have that top guy, that clear cut top guy.
Speaker 1: But I think there are five players, five college prospects
Speaker 1: for me, who were kind of in that upper tier
Speaker 1: that are going to be looked at very favorably. You
Speaker 1: have two quarterbacks, Sam Darnold from USC and Josh Rosen UCLA.
Speaker 1: Then you have a running back, say Quon Barkley from
Speaker 1: Penn State. Oh he's good, he's great. And then two
Speaker 1: dbs Minca Fitzpatrick from Alabama and then Derwin James from
Speaker 1: Florida State. I think those five players have a chance
Speaker 1: to be big time studs, go high in the draft.
Speaker 1: And then after that there are a lot of potential guys.
Speaker 1: A guy like arden Key from LSU, A player like
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson from Louisville who you know, you watched the highlights,
Speaker 1: the flashes. He's a right handed Mike Vick, but as
Speaker 1: a downfield pastor, a lot of question marks, a lot
Speaker 1: of things we still have to figure out with Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of names, uh you know,
Speaker 1: on these on these lists that are worth following, guys
Speaker 1: that can help this team out a lot of teams down.
Speaker 1: But you know, I just don't think as it's going
Speaker 1: to be as deep as past years. Do you have
Speaker 1: a position though that maybe has I mean we've had
Speaker 1: drafts before where we've had three or four quarterbacks. A
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, the Dak Prescott Draft, we had
Speaker 1: three or four quarterbacks that where people were talking about,
Speaker 1: is there is there a position wide receiver, cornerback. I
Speaker 1: know you just said there wasn't a deep but maybe
Speaker 1: a position that you know, hey, some team's gonna get
Speaker 1: lucky because there will be offensive tackles there. I mean,
Speaker 1: the New York Giants have to clearly be looking and saying,
Speaker 1: oh wait, give me every guard tackle on that board
Speaker 1: right now. I haven't been excited about this tackle class
Speaker 1: for a second year in a row. But you look
Speaker 1: at the quarterbacks and the junior class who comes out,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. I mentioned darn Old and Rosen, Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: You also have Josh Allen from Wyoming who is going
Speaker 1: to be what's happened to him. It's been a rough,
Speaker 1: rough patch for him, hasn't it a little bit? He's
Speaker 1: going to be the toughest discussion in war rooms. This
Speaker 1: more tougher than Mahomes. Yeah, I think so because at
Speaker 1: least Mahomes. You know, Mahomes had the production. You look
Speaker 1: at his stat line and you that makes you go woa, yeah.
Speaker 1: But with Allen, you still have a raw player without
Speaker 1: the production, and a big part of that is the
Speaker 1: supporting cast and the circumstances around him. But how do
Speaker 1: you factor all that in? Because when you look at
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, he's elite from a size, arm strength, athleticism perspective. Okay, Wentz,
Speaker 1: this is it the same evaluation that we had North
Speaker 1: Dakota State. We're gonna we're gonna hear that comparison a
Speaker 1: lot because they're coached by the same guy too, Rick
Speaker 1: boll Right. But with Wentz, you I think you just
Speaker 1: saw more natural passing instincts with Wentz, even though he
Speaker 1: only started a year and a half and a big
Speaker 1: thing for Josh Allen will be senior Bowl. He's a
Speaker 1: Richard junior, but he's on pace to graduate and if
Speaker 1: he graduates by December, he can get an invite to
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. That'll be big for him to have
Speaker 1: a week with NFL coaches. Everything I hear from the
Speaker 1: makeup the character is great. But again, you just at
Speaker 1: some point you have to see him play better than
Speaker 1: his supporting cast, uplift his receivers who aren't helping him.
Speaker 1: He lost seventy percent of his completions from last year,
Speaker 1: so you know, we can call him excuses. I call
Speaker 1: it context. All of this matters in the evaluation. He
Speaker 1: will be the toughest discussion that teams have when they
Speaker 1: discussed the quarterback Cowboys need to pass rush yourself about
Speaker 1: And I was going to ask you about arden Key.
Speaker 1: I mean on it, like you want to talk about incomplete.
Speaker 1: Arden Key hasn't had a season yet. I think he
Speaker 1: played against Florida and they won and he did some things.
Speaker 1: He's gotten pressure on quarterback when he's played, but he's
Speaker 1: been hurt. He had surgery right before the season. He's
Speaker 1: been been in and out of the lineup to the
Speaker 1: point where like it feels like he hasn't even really
Speaker 1: gotten started yet. And you know there's still two months
Speaker 1: left in the season. So there are a lot of
Speaker 1: questions about how much is he Randy Gregory. Sounds like
Speaker 1: he's got some Yeah, there are quite those questions that
Speaker 1: are gonna follow him. He's gonna be a scrutinized guy,
Speaker 1: let's put it that way very much so. But then, okay,
Speaker 1: are people now gonna are they gonna blackball in because
Speaker 1: of Randy Gregory? I just called him Randy Gregory. Well,
Speaker 1: straight up, I don't. I don't have enough of an
Speaker 1: idea of him to want to paint him in that light,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I know, between the injury
Speaker 1: and the maturity issues, he took a sabbatical from football
Speaker 1: basically in the off season, and we're seeing that now
Speaker 1: because he's not in football. Shit. Yeah, uh, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be heavily scrutinized. I'm not ready to call him Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory again. I mean, I watch LSU as a fan
Speaker 1: on Saturdays, but I'm not studying players the way that
Speaker 1: we do during the off season. So I know he's
Speaker 1: ridiculously talented based on talent alone, I mean, in a
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory since you probably think he's top ten in
Speaker 1: terms of talent coming out of this draft, class, but
Speaker 1: everything else is going to play into it. I have
Speaker 1: no idea what to expect. Could that runner at Penn
Speaker 1: State be the first overall pick. I think he could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's something we haven't seen in over twenty years.
Speaker 1: Could John Carter State guy? But you know we've seen
Speaker 1: Curtis Enis he went later. No, I'm just yeah, Penn
Speaker 1: State running backs that didn't pan out, that's funny, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love to tell my Fred Taylor stories. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin, he wanted to draft Curtis Enis and like,
Speaker 1: and then the Bears took him, and he like through
Speaker 1: the phone. He picked the draft phone and threw it
Speaker 1: at the wall and then and then drafted Fred Taylor. Unbelief.
Speaker 1: How about that? Uh? I mean he is that type
Speaker 1: of player. Uh, He's He's not the same in pass
Speaker 1: protection as Zeke. He's not the same blocker, but he's
Speaker 1: just a little more special when it comes to his movements,
Speaker 1: his ability to create with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1: And that's saying something compared. You know how much we
Speaker 1: like Ezekiel Elliott. The last two drafts, we've seen a
Speaker 1: running back go four overall. This year. I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna see a running back go top three. Question is,
Speaker 1: and it depends on who has the top three picks,
Speaker 1: but how it all works out? Is he better than
Speaker 1: any running back that's come out in the last three
Speaker 1: or three or four years. My comparison for him, and
Speaker 1: I don't say this lightly because it's a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: but Ladinian Tomlinson. Wow, So I'll do this. Whoa. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's he's definitely in that discussion. Uh, you know, we
Speaker 1: can debate him and Zeke and I think he's better
Speaker 1: than he running back I saw last year, so that
Speaker 1: includes four Nette and Cook McCaffrey. But you know it's
Speaker 1: I don't want to put him too high on a
Speaker 1: pedestal just yet, but you know, he's he's a player.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about a lot going high, I know.
Speaker 1: So I know we're running out of time. We're good.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my thing that I typically do and
Speaker 1: turn this to the Cowboys real quick. Yeah, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this coming into this show. Your
Speaker 1: draft needs right now? How do you feel about that
Speaker 1: for this team? You better? I'm yeah. You mentioned pass
Speaker 1: rush arden Key, that's great, and about linebacker well, so
Speaker 1: we don't know what's gonna happen with de Marcus Lawrence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's heading into free Ah. Maybe he's a franchise
Speaker 1: tack guy. Maybe he's not Taco Charlton certainly doesn't look
Speaker 1: like a guy that you're building. You're you know, you're
Speaker 1: not thinking of him as your cornerstone right now. Everybody's
Speaker 1: holding their breath right now. So defensive end, sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm taking a heavy, heavy look at linebacker. I
Speaker 1: am too. And guard, yeah, this team guard. They need
Speaker 1: a guard, Brian, they need a guard. Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: you know, you think you know Constant. I think he
Speaker 1: just told you the tackle class is weak. Well, luckily,
Speaker 1: I don't think you need a tack no. No, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying if you wanted to move, if you wanted
Speaker 1: to move, wow Collins back to guard. I don't know.
Speaker 1: All I know is Dane says this all the time.
Speaker 1: The offensive line is the strength of your team. So
Speaker 1: just keep pumping recent Oh yeah absolutely. Yeah. So if
Speaker 1: you wanted to tell me that a guard is the
Speaker 1: first round pick for this team in twenty eighteen, I'm
Speaker 1: fine with that. If the guy is good with an
Speaker 1: offensive line, you're only as strong as your weakest link. Exactly.
Speaker 1: That's a top ten pick. You go and guard, I mean,
Speaker 1: don't you can't. Yeah, well I'm just asking leave it
Speaker 1: at this. There there is a guard, Quentin Nelson from
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Notre Dame. Okay, could they go Notre Dame
Speaker 1: offensive line again? Uh? He is arguably a top ten player.
Speaker 1: This They gotta tackle there too, Right to me, he's
Speaker 1: more of a second round guy. Yeah. If this team
Speaker 1: is picking in the top ten, which for the record,
Speaker 1: I don't expect that to happen. Okay, they better get
Speaker 1: a pass rusher because that's all we said last year
Speaker 1: was yeah, well you you can't find a pass rusher
Speaker 1: at twenty eight. Those guys are all on top ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, so go get Art and Key right hub,
Speaker 1: NC State, Yes, that's they're they're gonna you're drafting top ten.
Speaker 1: You want a pass rusher, that's the guy to know.
Speaker 1: And hey, chub right North Carolina State? Hub, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not to be confused with the chub that runs the
Speaker 1: ball for Georgia right there. Cousins, their cousins are cousins. Um,
Speaker 1: But you look at the Giants they're ending towards the
Speaker 1: top five pick. Could what sae Quon Barkley in this division?
Speaker 1: Oh jeez, could they maybe go to the quarterback of
Speaker 1: the future. Oh didn't they Jeff Davis Webb? I said,
Speaker 1: quarterback of the future. You love Davis Webb? No are
Speaker 1: you really? Are you really not gonna draft Sam Darnold
Speaker 1: because you have Davis Webb? Just no way, no way.
Speaker 1: I think Josh Rosen I minds me a lot of
Speaker 1: Eli Manning several ways, so I go that could that
Speaker 1: could fit? All right? There are Ruben Foster in this draft. No,
Speaker 1: I mean Ruben Foster. Yeah, he was a little different.
Speaker 1: But Alabama does have another big time linebacker, Rashaan Evans.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's quite I guarantee he'll have his
Speaker 1: shoulder problems, a knee and a broken rib. Evans that
Speaker 1: time he gets the combine, he'll have all those things.
Speaker 1: Kuan Smith from Georgia. Two big time linebackers. I'm ready
Speaker 1: for Mobile, guys, let's do it. We got we got
Speaker 1: some days before Mobile. Hey Dane, thank you man. Get
Speaker 1: back on the road. Scout some more for us. Okay,
Speaker 1: we need some more. David Hellman, thanks Brian, keep your
Speaker 1: eye on that h that list as well. So hey,
Speaker 1: all right, that's good at all to be able to
Speaker 1: do today here on the Draft Show. Thanks to everybody
Speaker 1: out there that is hanging with us. Thanks for always
Speaker 1: appreciating the draft and and studying it hard, working hard
Speaker 1: about it. We will be back with you guys after
Speaker 1: the first of the year, right before the week before
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, we will have a couple of shows
Speaker 1: and then we'll start the journey all over again. So
Speaker 1: from my scouting buddies Day Burglar, David Hellman, William Boykins,
Speaker 1: executive producer, I'm Brian Brons. Thanks for joining us here
Speaker 1: in the Draft Show and we'll see you in January.