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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are war room for incenter news and draft analysis from

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Speaker 1: deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star

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Speaker 1: in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Select baikiel Elliot and now your

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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well.

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Speaker 1: The thing that you do in scouting departments when you

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Speaker 1: have an open week is you bring your scouts back

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Speaker 1: off the road and you get a little bit of

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Speaker 1: an idea of what they've seen so far. Some teams

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Speaker 1: are doing well, some teams not so well. But the

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Speaker 1: one thing is you'll always scout, and that's what we

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Speaker 1: do here for you here on the Draft Show. Brian

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Speaker 1: brought us back with Dane Brugler and David Hellman, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: bringing you back off the road. We're gonna reflect a

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Speaker 1: little bit about what we saw last year with the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys draft, kind of where the direction we think

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Speaker 1: that is going to go. I also want to talk

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Speaker 1: about a little bit about some of what's going on

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Speaker 1: with some of the other teams. There was a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys that we covered last year before the draft,

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Speaker 1: pre draft draft shows. All those things, and I want

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Speaker 1: to get into some of those guys and what we've seen.

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Speaker 1: We're early in this campaign where we write about some guys,

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Speaker 1: where we off about some guys. Would we need to

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Speaker 1: think about differently, how we going to look at our

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Speaker 1: board next year and get ready for this draft. Did

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Speaker 1: we think too highly of tight ends? Do we think

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Speaker 1: too much of some rush ends? Do we think too

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Speaker 1: much of some cornerbacks? You know, That's all the things

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Speaker 1: we need to get into. But first off, Dane, welcome

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Speaker 1: back off the road. Nice, it's good to be back.

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Speaker 1: It's I know, get some responses. You guys doing a

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Speaker 1: draft show? Given up the season already? No? No, no,

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Speaker 1: the draft. No matter if the Cowboys go on to

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Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl or lose the rest of their games,

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Speaker 1: the draft still happens next April. We have plenty to

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Speaker 1: talk about, plus a lot to review from this past draft.

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Speaker 1: What maybe you know, based on what we saw what

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Speaker 1: we scouted in college compared to the first five games

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Speaker 1: of the season, you know, our opinions different. Uh, sometimes

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Speaker 1: based on where these prospects end up. That skews our

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Speaker 1: opinion of the player because of a favorable situation. We're

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Speaker 1: on the opposite side of that. So definitely a lot

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Speaker 1: to cover here, just as we recap and them look forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah oh sorry, Brian, I would point out we did

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Speaker 1: this show during the bioweek last year when the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: were I believe five and one, so right, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were. This is not a give up show, No,

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Speaker 1: we just want to wanted to take an opportunity to,

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Speaker 1: like Dane says, review what you have just draft nerds

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Speaker 1: talking about. This is just guys that have an hour

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Speaker 1: to kill today and enough enough people that want to

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Speaker 1: to do something like But but David, welcome aboard as

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Speaker 1: well as always, I always appreciate your your line of

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Speaker 1: thought here. I you know, I I was sitting there

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Speaker 1: thinking about, uh, you know, I'm thinking about the Cowboys draft,

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Speaker 1: and you know, here's a team right now that is

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Speaker 1: two and three, you know, not as favorable as the

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Speaker 1: five and one that we saw last year at this time,

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Speaker 1: but they are playing a lot of young guys. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're there, there there, and that's really what the NFL

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Speaker 1: is now. It's about taking those young guys and go

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Speaker 1: ahead and putting them on the field. We've seen a

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Speaker 1: lot of young quarterbacks have to play we've seen a

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Speaker 1: you know a lot of young running backs have success.

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Speaker 1: I mean when you look at and this is not

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Speaker 1: a way of knee jerking, This is not my way

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Speaker 1: that's good. I have no prom playing young players. I

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Speaker 1: for that matter. And now you're sitting there thinking. And

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Speaker 1: going you know what, the scouts would bring up what

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Speaker 1: But if you look at things, the whole idea is

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Speaker 1: we don't. There's another guy we like. So it goes

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Speaker 1: both ways. But if you look at right now and

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Speaker 1: the thing with what his production was against the Browns

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Speaker 1: I'm saying though that this is where, you know, if

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Speaker 1: think about some other teams and where they thought guys

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Speaker 1: we all know how we felt, you know, whether Taco

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Speaker 1: it's it's going to be interesting watching t J Watt

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Speaker 1: but if you liked them that much, you could trade

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Speaker 1: so it'll be something to watch as we move forward

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Speaker 1: in a big part of that will be Taco's development

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Speaker 1: Uh maybe when we look back at this draft will

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Speaker 1: so I want to know, you know, five weeks in Brian,

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Speaker 1: assume Dan's not really studying the tape of the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: the way that you are. Through five games, Taco Charlton

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Speaker 1: I said, I said four sacks would be a successful

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Speaker 1: completely honest, again, as somebody who I was more on

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that he hasn't measured

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Speaker 1: and I wonder if that's fair. I think disappointing is

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Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, Dane, because you scouted him

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Speaker 1: just as much as I did. I was surprised he

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Speaker 1: get him to at least come with a pass rush move.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember. I remember I remember him

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Speaker 1: winning at Michigan. But was he winning more on effort

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Speaker 1: helped him quite a bit going up against big ten tackles.

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Speaker 1: I mean the second line of my report on Taco

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Speaker 1: unimaginative pass rush sequence, predictable spin move. I mean that, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he does a lot of it here. Yeah. See that's

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Speaker 1: where that that's where I think that to me, I

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna win. I didn't you know, he's not

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Speaker 1: a quick guy. He's not an explosive guy off the ball.

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Speaker 1: the differences between preseason and regular season football, but in

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Speaker 1: Rank them how they were, how they are right now,

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Speaker 1: Taco O Woozier, Lewis Switzer Woods and Brown. Lewis won

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Speaker 1: different story, and we talked about that. He played nickel there.

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Speaker 1: They're playing him at nickelback. They've played him in dime,

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Speaker 1: They've played him at regular old safety. Uh, he's played

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Speaker 1: special teams and he's shown up. He didn't do a

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Speaker 1: lot against the Packers, but throughout this season had a

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Speaker 1: great pass break up against the Cardinals. Um, he's made

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Speaker 1: some nice hits and and again you got him in

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Speaker 1: the sixth round. I think that that weighs heavily in

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Speaker 1: my mind as well. That's why I kind of rank

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Speaker 1: him aside. How do you feel you feel about the

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Speaker 1: same way. Yeah, Taco is the tough one because again,

436
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Speaker 1: it's a potential pick. It's you know, you've said that,

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Speaker 1: You've said that, you've been fair about where he is

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Speaker 1: right now. It's not going to be first round value.

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Speaker 1: That's just that's who he is. When we look back

440
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Speaker 1: at this in a year, will fuel differently. Yeah wish,

441
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Speaker 1: I wish, I wish he would shown up like Lawson.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, we knew that wasn't gonna happen. No, no no,

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Speaker 1: but but that's what I'm saying, right, I mean, you

444
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Speaker 1: wish he'd just shown up and been the best pass

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Speaker 1: rusher in the rookie class. Well no, but but I

446
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Speaker 1: know on our one oh five three board we had

447
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Speaker 1: lost in the first round I loved Yeah, yeah, yeah,

448
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Speaker 1: ahead of Taco. So yeah, it's yeah, what Carl Lawson's

449
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Speaker 1: doing right now with the Bengals does not surprise any

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Speaker 1: of us. And that's what I'm saying. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: wish you wish it picking him at twenty eight, that

452
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Speaker 1: he would he would have that kind of production. I look,

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Speaker 1: this is no disrespect to anyone that works for the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys and the personel department. Any coaches. You're gonna say

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Speaker 1: something about why aren't you No, No, but what when

456
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Speaker 1: I come up through this business, and I relied on

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Speaker 1: some GMS and scouts to really groom me and teach

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Speaker 1: was taught was don't assume for a second just because

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Speaker 1: they have a GM title, just because they have a

461
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Speaker 1: certain title, coach, whatever, that they know more than you

462
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Speaker 1: and all the work that we do. We knew about

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Speaker 1: Karl Lawson, that was didn't shock us. We knew about

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Speaker 1: Taco Charlton. So sure you wish that Taco Charlton would

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Speaker 1: have the impact that Karl Lawson is, but we knew

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Speaker 1: that wasn't realistic. Carl Lawson, I still haven't gotten a

467
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Speaker 1: great response about why he fed all the fourth round.

468
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I mean, we we know he

469
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Speaker 1: had the injury stuff, but players with far worse injury

470
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Speaker 1: histories have gone a lot higher than the fourth round,

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Speaker 1: So that one's a mystery. You should have at least

472
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Speaker 1: gone in somewhere in the second or third day too,

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Speaker 1: But with Taco, again, it's just it's a lot. You know.

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Speaker 1: We I didn't like to pick, I don't think you

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Speaker 1: in fairness to see what happened the situation. Let's let's

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Speaker 1: play it out. Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, we're gonna take our

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Speaker 1: It would be good one day. We're kind of going

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Speaker 1: through things. We reviewed what the Cowboys picks were, uh

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Speaker 1: this year, and just kind of an idea of what

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Speaker 1: we think, uh, you know, what direction these guys are going.

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Speaker 1: We seem to feel like that that Taco is a

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Speaker 1: guy that needs uh you know, further evaluation, you know,

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Speaker 1: needs further opportunity, needs to play better. Just in all

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Speaker 1: fairness to him. You just you got some young guys

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Speaker 1: You need to play better. You need to play better,

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Speaker 1: need to show reason to be out out there more

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Speaker 1: snaps than five or six a game. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: be a guy to go out there and get it done,

560
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Speaker 1: and he really just hasn't done that. But I'm going

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Speaker 1: to focus in on some guys that have been getting

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Speaker 1: it done from around the league. And we saw a

563
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Speaker 1: guy last night play quarterback for Chicago Bears, Mitch Trubiski.

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Speaker 1: Much was talked about him, you know, with the in

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Speaker 1: the comparison him or Deshaun Watson. I think guys feel

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Speaker 1: pretty good about what Deshaun Watson has been able to accomplish.

567
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Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so mad because I'm gonna wind up

568
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Speaker 1: losing a bet to Dane on a technicality because I

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Speaker 1: said during draft weekend that Deshaun would start sixteen games.

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Speaker 1: I was technically wrong because he did not start the opener,

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Speaker 1: start fifteen and a half, clearly thanks to Bill O'Brien's stubbornness.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be wrong because Deshaun Watson is great. Texans

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Speaker 1: look incredibly smart. Well, credit to the Texans with the

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Speaker 1: way that they're molding the playbook to fit Deshawnt. Sure,

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Speaker 1: we're seeing zone Reid, we're seeing option, We're seeing uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, allowing him to use his legs, his mobility,

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Speaker 1: and that sets up the past downfield, which so far

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Speaker 1: the Shaun has taken advantage of all the credit in

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Speaker 1: the world as Shaun Watson and the Texans for the

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Speaker 1: way they're hand handling that situation. That's what we don't

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Speaker 1: see enough of with these rookie quarterbacks. We saw last

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Speaker 1: night with Chicago or Monday Night Football with Chicago. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, watching Mitchell Trubisky with you know, the boots

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Speaker 1: and the waggles exactly. That's what his strength, his athleticism,

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Speaker 1: the way he can throw on the move. We're not

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Speaker 1: seeing that enough. I mean, I think the perfect examples

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Speaker 1: watch Cleveland right now with the right which the way

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Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson. The Browns are just ruining the situation with

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Speaker 1: and a half games with the Shawan Kaiser who has

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Speaker 1: not played well, but the moment you started him from

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Speaker 1: the season opener, you punted on your season. Sure you

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Speaker 1: know you committed to developing the young quarterback, not winning games,

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Speaker 1: and now the Browns are kind of yeah, they're they're

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Speaker 1: worried about flirting with another en sixteen season like they

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Speaker 1: did last year, and so they're gonna go with probably

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Speaker 1: with Kevin Hogan. It's not officially yet, but I imaginely

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Speaker 1: go with Kevin Hogan, an undrafted player from last year,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see. But you know, the Browns fans better

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Speaker 1: get used to the name Sam Darnold. Josh Rosen sure

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Speaker 1: does Trubisky. It's funny. I believe Trubisky was selected from

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Speaker 1: a pick that the brown the Browns had, and I

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Speaker 1: also I believe Watson was selected a right. Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: was Carson Wentz. I'm sorry it wasn't. Trubisky was Wins right,

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Speaker 1: So it's Watson and Wins with a two that were

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Speaker 1: The Dane's point, though, it's the age old you know,

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Speaker 1: it's the age old question that you can't really answer,

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Speaker 1: like how good would those guys be right now? And

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Speaker 1: it's sad because that's why the Browns hired Hugh Jackson. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: his ability with quarterbacks and his play calling, and so

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Speaker 1: far that's the two biggest issues with that team. And

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Speaker 1: so when you're one in twenty as a head coach

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Speaker 1: with a team, you're not gonna get many more opportunity.

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Speaker 1: You're not not at all. Just kind of go through

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Speaker 1: that first ten. Miles Garrett coming back off some injury,

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Speaker 1: like a number one pick, like he was playing on

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Speaker 1: taking Trebisky at one, yeah, they got a stud at

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Speaker 1: number one with with Garrett, So there you can't look

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Speaker 1: Solomon Thomas for the forty nine ers. That's the Cowboy's

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Speaker 1: next opponent, you know him going the third of our

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Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette at four. Hey, does Leonard Fournette him with

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Speaker 1: that we're talking about with the Runners now, with the

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Speaker 1: but props to Leonard Fournette because like he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: he's not just cranking out yards the way Zeke did.

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636
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Speaker 1: last year. But I mean, Fournette has scored a touchdown

637
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: in every game of his career and has flirted with

638
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: one hundred yards if if not gotten there, and then

639
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: I think he almost hit two hundred because he had

640
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: a ninety yard run at the end of that game

641
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: last week. I'm sure y'all had to have seen that

642
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: highlight of Hyeah welcoming the contact. Oh my god, that

643
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: was incredible. It was. And hey, credit to the Jaguars

644
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: is again, if you're gonna Tom Coughlin going for the

645
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: tough back, if you're gonna make that type of commitment

646
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: in the top five, you better better hit it your

647
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: offense to Oh, they're help at Bortles. Bortles is your guy. Yeah,

648
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: Bortles is a guy that Jeff Kavanaugh loves to get

649
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: on me about. And he's not perfect, you know, I mean,

650
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: but they do have him a running game and they

651
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: do it, and they've built a little bit of defense

652
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: there too. There's a good enough to beat the Steelers badly,

653
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: big time beat the Steelers going down Christian McCaffrey. I

654
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: actually I looked his stats up specifically, and maybe I

655
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't be surprised, but these numbers jump off the page

656
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: to me. One is that he has not hit one

657
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: hundred yards rushing yet on the season. The other is

658
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: that he's already got twenty seven catches. Yeah, that's what

659
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: we always thought he can do. Yeah, no, for sure, Yeah,

660
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: totally fits his skill set. But it's still kind of

661
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: amazing when you see that two hundred and thirty receiving

662
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown. I think when he was drafted

663
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: by the Panthers, I predicted he'd be offensive rookie of

664
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: the year and he still could be, but maybe not

665
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: quite as fast as start as I thought, but it's agree. Yeah,

666
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: it looks like the Panthers are starting to figure it out, though,

667
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: because I know he had his best game of the

668
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: year in this most scored his first touchdown. But you know,

669
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart's still getting the lion's share of the carries.

670
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see how they used McCaffrey

671
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: shovel the other day for a touchdown. Do a little

672
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: shovel passed him underneath. One of Dane Brugler's favorite players

673
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: in this draft was Malik Hooker, safety from Ohio State.

674
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: He ends up going fifteen to the Colts. How how

675
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: does that happen? He's got three interceptions for you already.

676
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: It's the most unsurprising thing ever that he would have

677
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: three interceptions and his first three starts like that's all

678
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: he did at Ohio State. And yeah, there were safeties

679
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: who were taking you know, of course the Jamal Adams

680
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: was taking ahead of him. He's Jamal Adams has done

681
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: a nice job. He got beat by David Njoku, the

682
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: Browns tight end rook another first round rookie, for a

683
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: touchdown on Sunday. But for the most part, Jamal Adams

684
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: has had a nice rookie year so far. But Mallie

685
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: Cooker but not better than the Lake Hooker though, right,

686
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: I mean when you factor in what he can do

687
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: in coverage, that's just it's it's a game changer. Mallie

688
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: Cooker can change a game with him being back there.

689
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: Picks or how you establish a name for yourself as

690
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: a safety, well he'll be on the whole. Yeah, yeah,

691
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: all rookie thing all rookie team. Jonathan Allen talked about

692
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: him dropping down to seventeen. That was a surprise Redskins.

693
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: You'll see him. He's had a good, good rookie year

694
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: so far, He's not. That was another one of those picks,

695
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: like Malie Cooker, you were thinking, now, this guy's going

696
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: top three, top four. Yeah. I mean maybe there were

697
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: people that had Jonathan out and maybe because of the

698
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: shoulder though too right, that was a big thing. But

699
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: there were some people that had Jonathan Allen ahead of

700
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: Solomon Thomas in this draft. I remember some people some

701
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: rumblings about should he go ahead of Miles Garrett, you know,

702
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: because he's he was the more proven player, the more bright,

703
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: productive player. But you know, he's had a good, solid

704
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: year the Redskins. You know, at seventeen overall, that's a

705
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: great value. That's a great value pick. Look down there. Okay,

706
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: this is where it starts getting a little murky for

707
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: me because O. J. Howard goes to Tampa at nineteen.

708
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: I think that's the first time I've heard his name

709
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: since the season started. Well, I mean the Thursday night

710
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: game was one of his only targets of the year

711
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: and the final pass that he wasn't even look. But

712
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: isn't that surprising though, we I mean we thought about him.

713
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: I mean people were talking about, boy, he could be

714
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: a well he'd be great to have here at the Cowboys. Yeah,

715
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: there wasn't him as he's seen the field, but it's

716
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: as a blocking type. Yeah, So it's it is a

717
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: little surprising that they haven't incorporated him a little more

718
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: into the offense. Give him a few targets, let him

719
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: run some routes. Uh, yeah, he could help this team. Yeah,

720
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: she surely could. At least he's used to that, you know,

721
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: coming coming from Alabama. Then then you get down into

722
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: you get down going into the draft. We've talked about Okay, Dan,

723
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: and you're you're the really the polarizing guy in this trap,

724
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: you know in a in a way that kind of

725
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: got us all arguing back and forth. And you're you

726
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: watched the Browns quite a bit talk about Jabrill Peppers though,

727
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: and really what what his and if you want to

728
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: project him like you did Taco, if you want to say, well,

729
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: he's they're playing him out of position or well they are,

730
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: and I think the Browns they playing a running back

731
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just beating up on the Browns.

732
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: But they misevaluated him because they're using him as a

733
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 1: free safety. Yeah, they're using him thirty forty yards away

734
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: from the line. You can't do. You got to be

735
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: up on the line with him. Yeah, exactly. And so

736
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: if they wanted a free safety, if they wanted a

737
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: center field type, then you stay at the thirteenth pick

738
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: and you take Milie cook Cooker. I remember that. Yeah,

739
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: they traded away. I mean we talk about the Shawn Watson.

740
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: They trade away from him. They also trade away from

741
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: Millie Cooker, who if they wanted at that center field type,

742
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: that's who you take. You don't take Jabrill Peppers, who

743
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: has never been your Coverage has never been his strength

744
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: as a player. He's a great athlete, we know that,

745
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: but he's also a much better player downhill or a

746
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: guy that if you want to cover the tight end,

747
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think he can get better in that area.

748
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: But as a true center field type, that's just not

749
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: his game. And so I think the Browns are misusing

750
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: him right now, and because of it, he's there are

751
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: a lot of negative plays on his tape, mistackles, poor angles, Uh,

752
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: he's late anticipating, and you know that just it goes

753
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: to you know, the mistake by the Browns if they

754
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: mis evaluated him from the start. Hopefully they can correct that.

755
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of interesting names in the

756
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: late first whether or not the Cowboys had a chance

757
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: on him one of them. Now I want to talk

758
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: about Evan Ingram. Yeah. I was a little a little

759
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: tough on this pick because you know, of course Giants

760
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: didn't need any more firepower. And now you look at

761
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: it now, the lone guy stand exactly. Yeah. And Evan

762
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: Ingram has been solid. Yeah, I mean, but were we

763
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: wrong to say that maybe Ryan Ramsick would have help

764
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: that team more? Yeah? Yeah, he has had nineteen catches

765
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: for two hundred yards, one touchdowns. He's off to a

766
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: phenomenal start. And we all love Dave Evan Ingram as

767
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: a player, and so this isn't a knock against a player,

768
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: it's just the Giants. Is that really what you needed

769
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: to kind of put you over the hump? Or could

770
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: you have used some offensive line help or could you

771
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: use some help on defense? So you know, it is

772
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: ironic now that Evan Ingraham is probably Eli Manning's top

773
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: target left standing. So it's yeah, we're talking about because

774
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, because ram Check goes to the Saints

775
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: at thirty two, and then after that you get Jacksonville

776
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: takes Cam Robinson at thirty four, and then you go

777
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: down a little bit further though, that's when the forest

778
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: lamp goes, uh, you know, to the Los Angeles Chargers.

779
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: I thought of Dan immediately when that guy tore his aca.

780
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: Fortunately no more lamp for him, it does. So but okay,

781
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: well we go down, we go down through now we'll

782
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: think about it into the second round. Here some guys

783
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: Kevin Cook the other day from you know, we got

784
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: we got to see Kevin Kevin n I still think

785
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: of the tight end the Cowboy that could have been, Yeah,

786
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: Kevin King. You know, okay, watched I you know what

787
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I watched Kevin King or Taco right now.

788
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: Maybe now maybe you don't draft well, and we we

789
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: talked about this, but then maybe you don't get us.

790
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: We talked about this on Cowboys breakheading into that Packers game,

791
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: which is you know you certainly it was the age

792
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: old argument and and there isn't enough evidence to suggest

793
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: that they were right or wrong. But they took Taco

794
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: because they thought that they could get DBS later on,

795
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: and that certainly looks to be true. You feel really

796
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: good about Lewis, and good so far about cheetoh, all

797
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: things Lewis. We think because of the court case, right,

798
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: sometimes you need a little look. Yeah, right, well sure,

799
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, but they thought that they thought that

800
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: they could get really quality DBS later in the draft,

801
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: and they were right as the doors right now. Who

802
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: knows if Taco pans into anything. But if you're saying, okay,

803
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: well maybe you should have after Kevin King, then you're

804
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: going back to Terrell Basham. You're going back to Derek Rivers.

805
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: Derek Rivers who is on IR right now. So we

806
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: really have no idea how he would be performing. Yeah,

807
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: I don't. I'll be completely honest with you. I have

808
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: no idea if Terrell Basham is making any noise at all.

809
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: I haven't heard his name, Yeah, not very much at all. Um. So,

810
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: and you know, draft logic suggests that you're more likely

811
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: to find Yeah, if you expect your pass rusher to

812
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: make a difference early on, you're more likely to get

813
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: him at twenty eight than you are at ninety two. Right,

814
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: So I have a hard time faulting the strategy involved there,

815
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: even though Kevin King certainly seems like he's on his

816
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: way to being a good player looking down the line

817
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: about this A two forty one Dalvin Cook, Dalvin Cook hate,

818
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: it's terrible if he had a Terris acl out for

819
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: the year, just a bad way start his career. We

820
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: talked about injuries with him. It's just it's unfortunate. Didn't

821
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: necessarily have the body armor that you look for in

822
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: a run back. I meant, yeah, who knows if he's

823
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: gonna be injury prone the rest of his career, hopefully not,

824
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: Hopefully comes back and he's the same Dalvin Cook, because

825
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: when he's on, I thought he was the best running

826
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: back from this class. Uh, you're going into the draft

827
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 1: and then you know, through four games only Kareem Hunt

828
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: to me, was having a better season. Kareem Hunt. Yeah,

829
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: I wanted. Now we'll go down into that third round

830
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: talking about that. Those backs. Alvin Kamara was a guy.

831
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: You know, he gets secret selected three sixty seven by

832
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: the Saints, already already off to a good start, and

833
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: then it only looks more promising now than Adrian Peterson

834
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: is no longer something. Yeah, twenty catches for one forty seven.

835
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: You know he's only got eighty three yards Russian right now.

836
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what he did at Tennessee though. Use

837
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: him out of the backfield as a receiver, that that's

838
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: his specialty. Use him as a punt returner so much

839
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: more than just uh, you know, hand hand the ball

840
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: off type of running back. Cooper Cups should have gone

841
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: higher than he went three sixty nine to the Los

842
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: Angeles Rams. Yep, he's a better please a you look

843
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: at some of the receivers that were taken in the

844
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: second round, you know, like a Schuster Smith right was

845
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: a guy comes to mind. Yeah. I also think about

846
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel, what he's done, you know, with with with Carolina,

847
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: and Cooper Cup was such a you have to have

848
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: a specific position in mind for him, yeah, like play

849
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: him well, but I just Cooper Cup put him in

850
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: the slot. Yeah, and you know he can be that guy.

851
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: Not every team needs a slot receiver, but if you

852
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: did have a need for a slot Cooper Cup was

853
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: that perfect target to have in the second third round

854
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: at the Rams, I think, ye, they got themselves a

855
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: really good player, and it didn't take long for Golf

856
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: and Cup to develop that chemistry. You could see it

857
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: right away in the preseason. And we're gonna see we're

858
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about Golf the Cup, I think for

859
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah. I that's a perfect receiver for

860
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: a young quarterback. And he's a young player himself. I mean,

861
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: he's a players dropped a touchdown yesterday round Sunday. Actually,

862
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna I've seen it makes some incredible catches.

863
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen often, not gonna happen very often

864
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: at all. You're right about that. You talked about Basham.

865
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: He's played five games for the Colts. It only has

866
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: one tackle. Yeah, So you know, maybe all these defensive

867
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: ends that we were talking about, Harris McKinley, you know,

868
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: they're all like I think everybody around the league is

869
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: probably a little disappointed in their defensive ends, with the

870
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: exception of Cincinnati. Cincinnati, we're broken records around here. But

871
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: it's a hard position to acclimate too quickly. I mean,

872
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: when you're Miles Garrett and you go first overall, maybe

873
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: you get two sacks in your in your debut. Yes, TJ.

874
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: Watt certainly looks like that. That's you know, if if

875
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna second guess it, I'm tired of hearing it

876
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: at this point, but I at least have to admit

877
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: that as of right now, you have a point, you

878
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like t J. Watt looks like

879
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: a player. He looked like a player in the preseason.

880
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: He's made some noise. I know that he made a

881
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: lot of that production against the Browns, but he's just

882
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: he's making a difference for the Steeler. He's got eighteen tackles,

883
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: three sacks, an interception, and a couple of past defense. Yeah,

884
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: none of us are surprised. That's that's nuts for a

885
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: rookie taken at the back end of the first round, honestly,

886
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know so if you want to sit

887
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: there and say they should have taken t J. Watt

888
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: over Taco, I really don't have much recourse, you know

889
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: what I mean? You know, right now, let me ask

890
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: you this. And I had somebody had a scout tell

891
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 1: me this, not a cowboy scout, but another scout just

892
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: in passing. You know, do you do you buy into

893
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: just take players? Just take I mean, don't think about oh,

894
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: is he a scheme fit or not. If the guy

895
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: is a good player, take him absolutely. I mean you

896
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: know that, Oh, well he can't do this. He can't.

897
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 1: We've never seen him put his hand on the ground.

898
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: He's that. I think there's a I think there's a

899
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: phrase for that that Dane and Jeff Kavanaugh would like

900
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: to use. Trust the trust, Trust the tape, Trust the tape.

901
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: But see, that's what I'm saying, sometimes we get too

902
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: caught up in the oh, he's not a position specific guy.

903
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: There's take the damn player. I'm I'm trying like there's

904
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: there there's some exception. Yeah, I just mentioned Cooper Cup.

905
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd had the same success on the

906
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: outside as he would in the slot. I think the

907
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: way Cooper Cup can manipulate the middle of the field. Yeah,

908
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: but they put him on the field, he's gonna make plays, right,

909
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: But I don't think he'd be as successful outside. And

910
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 1: so with that said, I do, like like David said,

911
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: I think there are some exceptions where you know, there

912
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: are such thing as as scheme specific players. T J.

913
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: Watt was not a scheme specific specific player in my opinion,

914
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: because you saw it put his hand on the ground

915
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: in Russia a little bit. Plus you can tweak your

916
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: defense a little bit, so if you want him to

917
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: stand up, move around a little yeah, yeah. Yeah. In

918
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: this day and age, the Cowboys are one of the

919
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: only teams in the league that just does the boring

920
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: flour down linemen and guy, I mean left end, right end.

921
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: Those teams have no idea what that even means. The Packers,

922
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: I watched the tape of them heading into that game,

923
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: like they use one and two down linemen regular base.

924
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: Sure they'll they'll put Kenny Clark on the nose and

925
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: then just have five other guys kind of moving around

926
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Uh no, But well, on one

927
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: guy that comes to mind, I have no idea what

928
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: he's doing. I think he's in Miami. But Cordrea Tankersley, Yeah,

929
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: that's you know, he might be the best cornerback in

930
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: the world for what they do, but I don't know

931
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: that he would be successful here. Sure, you know, press

932
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: press man guy. Yeah, I don't know that that works

933
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: with how the Cowboys like to play their dbs. So

934
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: I think there is scheme matters a little bit. Yeah,

935
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: but if you rush the pass or you rush the pig,

936
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: don't you get disrupt, don't overthink? All right? Yeah? Yeah,

937
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: And the last guy I want to get to because

938
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: I want to get to Dane. I'm gonna give Dane

939
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: some time to kind of run through some tell me

940
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: more guys. We talked about cream Hunt three eighty six,

941
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: Kansas City, unbelievable. Then John Dorsey gets fired. He looks,

942
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he looks every bit to them, like what

943
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: Zeke looked like? Here he is there Dak Prescott this

944
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: year isn't Yeah? Yeah, the late the third fourth round guy,

945
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: take it. We talked about him in Mobile. We liked them.

946
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: We liked them a lot. I mean I feel foolish

947
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: for giving him a third round grade because you know,

948
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: why would you feel foolish? I mean that's because we

949
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: like but that's why. That's where the Chiefs got him.

950
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: But why not why I battle with this because okay,

951
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: why didn't I have him hire? You know what traits? Yeah,

952
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: that's a that's a thing. What traits? What traits put

953
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: him in the third round? Don't you like? You can't

954
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: beat yourself up like that, though in the same way,

955
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: so you can. It's it's part of self evaluation. It

956
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: is self evaluation, figuring out, Okay, why didn't we have

957
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: him higher, and you know, trying not to overcompensate moving forward,

958
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: you know, try to learn from them. You always want

959
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: to learn from But I say, it's the same thing.

960
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: If you redrafted twenty sixteen right now, you'd probably take

961
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: Dak first. Overall, he's going first. Does that mean that

962
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: everybody who said anything about quarterback was wrong? Or does

963
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: that mean that you know, you identified the trades, you

964
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: identified what he does well and what he doesn't do well,

965
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: and then you put him in a situation that's just like,

966
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, a match to Kindling. He's got a great

967
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: offensive line, he's got a scheme and a coaching staff

968
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: that know how to work with him. He's got a

969
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: run that coaches staff. With Westbrook, those guys Sproul, I mean,

970
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean only that's Sprouls, but no Westbrook, they had

971
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: those guys. Slippery player. It's it's this would Kareem and

972
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: maybe he would be, But would you know, would Kareem

973
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: Hunt be doing this if Alex Smith wasn't having the

974
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: best season of his life. I think he's helping Alex Smith.

975
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,479
Speaker 1: He most certainly is. I'm not trying to take credit

976
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: away from anybody. I guess he's the reason why Alex

977
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: Smith's yards per throw has gone up if every time

978
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: he throws him the ball he seems like he ghosts. Well,

979
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: and we're also probably not talking about Karem Hunt right now.

980
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 1: If Spencer Ware doesn't get hurt, sure and Spencer aware

981
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: was going to be the starter, I mean, will you

982
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: still would have seen Kareem Hunt? But that matter? What

983
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: if Tarik Hill wasn't scaring the crap out of every

984
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: defense that he lines up against because he's so fast. So,

985
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: I you know, to some degree, you grade the player,

986
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: you identify him, you figure out what he does, well,

987
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: you slot him. Sometimes you're gonna be dead on right

988
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: and sometimes you're gonna be drastically long. Well, it's different

989
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: with I think like a quarterback like Dak who you

990
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: know that was that was tough to predict. I don't

991
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: know anyone that thought that would see this coming. But

992
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: with Kareem Hunt, are we really that surprised because we,

993
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: like we thought he was capable of this. So that

994
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: one I'm I you know, bothers me having a third

995
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: round grade on him having some running backs ahead of him,

996
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: But I mean, none of us are surprised with when

997
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: he's a good player. I guess, I guess my point. Really,

998
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, you weren't wrong in the sense that you

999
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: put him right where the NFL thought he would go. Right,

1000
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: you had a third round grade on him. He was

1001
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: drafting the third round. He's wildly exceeding those expectations. And

1002
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: sometimes stuff like that happens. Sometimes sometimes Laquon Treadwell still

1003
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have ten catches and we all thought he was

1004
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: the freaking man. Yeah, that's about that. That's the one

1005
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: where you know, you remember remember the missus more? Do

1006
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: you remember the hits? I trust me on that. I

1007
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: loved that guy. Yeah. I was watching the Vikings last night.

1008
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm just like, God, this is embarrassing. He doesn't even

1009
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: get on. I struggle with that one because that's I

1010
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: look at a big, strong receiver now and I think, yeah,

1011
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: you gonna be like like one treadmill, what truck will now? Yeah? What? Yah?

1012
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,719
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1013
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,799
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Speaker 1: club back here of the Draft show from the SWBC

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Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios. Brian brought us, Dan Burglar, David Hellman William

1054
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: Boykin's helping us out with all the uh, the moving

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00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: and shaken in that control room. Dan, I just want

1056
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: to kind of flip the show over to you. I

1057
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: had about ten minutes or so kind of talk about

1058
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: you've you've already hammered through a bunch of guys. David myself,

1059
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: we get started this thing around the first of December

1060
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: and met the earlier of things happened. All right, let's

1061
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: not be defeatist here now, defeat I used to get

1062
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: started on the first of December. You got started in

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00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: the first of December in twenty fifteen when they were four.

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00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: And I did it last year too, Did you really

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00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it again? I do. I get the

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00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: itch to see, but kind of go through you know,

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00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: and you don't have to be positioned specific but just

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00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: some of the guys and and if if there's a

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00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: couple of guys like, hey, keep an eye on this

1070
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: guy from Utah or keep an eye on this guy

1071
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: from Colorado State that might might tickle our fancies. Well,

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Speaker 1: first thing I'll say, and I hate to say this,

1073
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: but I don't think this draft class is gonna be

1074
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: as talented as this past draft class. Or as deep,

1075
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: which hopefully I'm wrong. Hopefully the junior class, underclassman will

1076
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: really help us out with the seniors. But I think

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00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: and the names at the top two you know, Miles Garrett,

1078
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: we knew all along was the top player this year.

1079
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: We don't have that top guy, that clear cut top guy.

1080
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: But I think there are five players, five college prospects

1081
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: for me, who were kind of in that upper tier

1082
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: that are going to be looked at very favorably. You

1083
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 1: have two quarterbacks, Sam Darnold from USC and Josh Rosen UCLA.

1084
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: Then you have a running back, say Quon Barkley from

1085
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: Penn State. Oh he's good, he's great. And then two

1086
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: dbs Minca Fitzpatrick from Alabama and then Derwin James from

1087
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: Florida State. I think those five players have a chance

1088
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: to be big time studs, go high in the draft.

1089
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: And then after that there are a lot of potential guys.

1090
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: A guy like arden Key from LSU, A player like

1091
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson from Louisville who you know, you watched the highlights,

1092
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: the flashes. He's a right handed Mike Vick, but as

1093
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: a downfield pastor, a lot of question marks, a lot

1094
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: of things we still have to figure out with Lamar Jackson.

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00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of names, uh you know,

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00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: on these on these lists that are worth following, guys

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00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: that can help this team out a lot of teams down.

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00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: But you know, I just don't think as it's going

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00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: to be as deep as past years. Do you have

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00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: a position though that maybe has I mean we've had

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00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: drafts before where we've had three or four quarterbacks. A

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00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, the Dak Prescott Draft, we had

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00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: three or four quarterbacks that where people were talking about,

1104
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: is there is there a position wide receiver, cornerback. I

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00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: know you just said there wasn't a deep but maybe

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00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: a position that you know, hey, some team's gonna get

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00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: lucky because there will be offensive tackles there. I mean,

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00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: the New York Giants have to clearly be looking and saying,

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00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: oh wait, give me every guard tackle on that board

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00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 1: right now. I haven't been excited about this tackle class

1111
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: for a second year in a row. But you look

1112
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: at the quarterbacks and the junior class who comes out,

1113
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. I mentioned darn Old and Rosen, Lamar Jackson.

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00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: You also have Josh Allen from Wyoming who is going

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00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: to be what's happened to him. It's been a rough,

1116
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: rough patch for him, hasn't it a little bit? He's

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00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: going to be the toughest discussion in war rooms. This

1118
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: more tougher than Mahomes. Yeah, I think so because at

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00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 1: least Mahomes. You know, Mahomes had the production. You look

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00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: at his stat line and you that makes you go woa, yeah.

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00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: But with Allen, you still have a raw player without

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00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: the production, and a big part of that is the

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Speaker 1: supporting cast and the circumstances around him. But how do

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Speaker 1: you factor all that in? Because when you look at

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, he's elite from a size, arm strength, athleticism perspective. Okay, Wentz,

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Speaker 1: this is it the same evaluation that we had North

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00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: Dakota State. We're gonna we're gonna hear that comparison a

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Speaker 1: lot because they're coached by the same guy too, Rick

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00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: boll Right. But with Wentz, you I think you just

1130
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: saw more natural passing instincts with Wentz, even though he

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00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: only started a year and a half and a big

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00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: thing for Josh Allen will be senior Bowl. He's a

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00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: Richard junior, but he's on pace to graduate and if

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00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: he graduates by December, he can get an invite to

1135
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. That'll be big for him to have

1136
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: a week with NFL coaches. Everything I hear from the

1137
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: makeup the character is great. But again, you just at

1138
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: some point you have to see him play better than

1139
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: his supporting cast, uplift his receivers who aren't helping him.

1140
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: He lost seventy percent of his completions from last year,

1141
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 1: so you know, we can call him excuses. I call

1142
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Speaker 1: it context. All of this matters in the evaluation. He

1143
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: will be the toughest discussion that teams have when they

1144
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: discussed the quarterback Cowboys need to pass rush yourself about

1145
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: And I was going to ask you about arden Key.

1146
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: I mean on it, like you want to talk about incomplete.

1147
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: Arden Key hasn't had a season yet. I think he

1148
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 1: played against Florida and they won and he did some things.

1149
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: He's gotten pressure on quarterback when he's played, but he's

1150
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: been hurt. He had surgery right before the season. He's

1151
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: been been in and out of the lineup to the

1152
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: point where like it feels like he hasn't even really

1153
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: gotten started yet. And you know there's still two months

1154
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: left in the season. So there are a lot of

1155
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: questions about how much is he Randy Gregory. Sounds like

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00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: he's got some Yeah, there are quite those questions that

1157
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: are gonna follow him. He's gonna be a scrutinized guy,

1158
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: let's put it that way very much so. But then, okay,

1159
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: are people now gonna are they gonna blackball in because

1160
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: of Randy Gregory? I just called him Randy Gregory. Well,

1161
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: straight up, I don't. I don't have enough of an

1162
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: idea of him to want to paint him in that light,

1163
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I know, between the injury

1164
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: and the maturity issues, he took a sabbatical from football

1165
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: basically in the off season, and we're seeing that now

1166
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,479
Speaker 1: because he's not in football. Shit. Yeah, uh, he's gonna

1167
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: be heavily scrutinized. I'm not ready to call him Randy

1168
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: Gregory again. I mean, I watch LSU as a fan

1169
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: on Saturdays, but I'm not studying players the way that

1170
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: we do during the off season. So I know he's

1171
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: ridiculously talented based on talent alone, I mean, in a

1172
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Speaker 1: Randy Gregory since you probably think he's top ten in

1173
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: terms of talent coming out of this draft, class, but

1174
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: everything else is going to play into it. I have

1175
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: no idea what to expect. Could that runner at Penn

1176
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: State be the first overall pick. I think he could. Yeah,

1177
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: and that's something we haven't seen in over twenty years.

1178
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: Could John Carter State guy? But you know we've seen

1179
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: Curtis Enis he went later. No, I'm just yeah, Penn

1180
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: State running backs that didn't pan out, that's funny, you know.

1181
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love to tell my Fred Taylor stories. Yeah,

1182
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin, he wanted to draft Curtis Enis and like,

1183
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 1: and then the Bears took him, and he like through

1184
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: the phone. He picked the draft phone and threw it

1185
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: at the wall and then and then drafted Fred Taylor. Unbelief.

1186
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: How about that? Uh? I mean he is that type

1187
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: of player. Uh, He's He's not the same in pass

1188
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: protection as Zeke. He's not the same blocker, but he's

1189
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: just a little more special when it comes to his movements,

1190
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: his ability to create with the ball in his hands.

1191
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: And that's saying something compared. You know how much we

1192
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: like Ezekiel Elliott. The last two drafts, we've seen a

1193
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: running back go four overall. This year. I think we're

1194
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: gonna see a running back go top three. Question is,

1195
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: and it depends on who has the top three picks,

1196
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: but how it all works out? Is he better than

1197
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: any running back that's come out in the last three

1198
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: or three or four years. My comparison for him, and

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Speaker 1: I don't say this lightly because it's a Hall of Famer,

1200
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: but Ladinian Tomlinson. Wow, So I'll do this. Whoa. I mean,

1201
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: it's he's definitely in that discussion. Uh, you know, we

1202
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: can debate him and Zeke and I think he's better

1203
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: than he running back I saw last year, so that

1204
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: includes four Nette and Cook McCaffrey. But you know it's

1205
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to put him too high on a

1206
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: pedestal just yet, but you know, he's he's a player.

1207
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about a lot going high, I know.

1208
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: So I know we're running out of time. We're good.

1209
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my thing that I typically do and

1210
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: turn this to the Cowboys real quick. Yeah, I'm thinking

1211
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this coming into this show. Your

1212
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: draft needs right now? How do you feel about that

1213
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: for this team? You better? I'm yeah. You mentioned pass

1214
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: rush arden Key, that's great, and about linebacker well, so

1215
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: we don't know what's gonna happen with de Marcus Lawrence. Yeah,

1216
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: he's he's heading into free Ah. Maybe he's a franchise

1217
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: tack guy. Maybe he's not Taco Charlton certainly doesn't look

1218
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: like a guy that you're building. You're you know, you're

1219
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: not thinking of him as your cornerstone right now. Everybody's

1220
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: holding their breath right now. So defensive end, sure, yeah,

1221
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: but I'm taking a heavy, heavy look at linebacker. I

1222
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: am too. And guard, yeah, this team guard. They need

1223
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: a guard, Brian, they need a guard. Yeah. And I

1224
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: you know, you think you know Constant. I think he

1225
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: just told you the tackle class is weak. Well, luckily,

1226
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't think you need a tack no. No, but

1227
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying if you wanted to move, if you wanted

1228
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: to move, wow Collins back to guard. I don't know.

1229
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: All I know is Dane says this all the time.

1230
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: The offensive line is the strength of your team. So

1231
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: just keep pumping recent Oh yeah absolutely. Yeah. So if

1232
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: you wanted to tell me that a guard is the

1233
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: first round pick for this team in twenty eighteen, I'm

1234
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: fine with that. If the guy is good with an

1235
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: offensive line, you're only as strong as your weakest link. Exactly.

1236
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: That's a top ten pick. You go and guard, I mean,

1237
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: don't you can't. Yeah, well I'm just asking leave it

1238
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: at this. There there is a guard, Quentin Nelson from

1239
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Notre Dame. Okay, could they go Notre Dame

1240
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: offensive line again? Uh? He is arguably a top ten player.

1241
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: This They gotta tackle there too, Right to me, he's

1242
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: more of a second round guy. Yeah. If this team

1243
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: is picking in the top ten, which for the record,

1244
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: I don't expect that to happen. Okay, they better get

1245
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: a pass rusher because that's all we said last year

1246
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: was yeah, well you you can't find a pass rusher

1247
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: at twenty eight. Those guys are all on top ten. Yeah,

1248
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 1: you're right, so go get Art and Key right hub,

1249
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: NC State, Yes, that's they're they're gonna you're drafting top ten.

1250
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: You want a pass rusher, that's the guy to know.

1251
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: And hey, chub right North Carolina State? Hub, Yeah, that's

1252
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: not to be confused with the chub that runs the

1253
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: ball for Georgia right there. Cousins, their cousins are cousins. Um,

1254
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: But you look at the Giants they're ending towards the

1255
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: top five pick. Could what sae Quon Barkley in this division?

1256
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: Oh jeez, could they maybe go to the quarterback of

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Speaker 1: the future. Oh didn't they Jeff Davis Webb? I said,

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Speaker 1: quarterback of the future. You love Davis Webb? No are

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Speaker 1: you really? Are you really not gonna draft Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: because you have Davis Webb? Just no way, no way.

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Speaker 1: I think Josh Rosen I minds me a lot of

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning several ways, so I go that could that

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Speaker 1: could fit? All right? There are Ruben Foster in this draft. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean Ruben Foster. Yeah, he was a little different.

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Speaker 1: But Alabama does have another big time linebacker, Rashaan Evans.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's quite I guarantee he'll have his

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Speaker 1: shoulder problems, a knee and a broken rib. Evans that

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Speaker 1: time he gets the combine, he'll have all those things.

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Speaker 1: Kuan Smith from Georgia. Two big time linebackers. I'm ready

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Speaker 1: for Mobile, guys, let's do it. We got we got

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Speaker 1: some days before Mobile. Hey Dane, thank you man. Get

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Speaker 1: back on the road. Scout some more for us. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we need some more. David Hellman, thanks Brian, keep your

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Speaker 1: eye on that h that list as well. So hey,

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Speaker 1: all right, that's good at all to be able to

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Speaker 1: do today here on the Draft Show. Thanks to everybody

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Speaker 1: out there that is hanging with us. Thanks for always

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Speaker 1: appreciating the draft and and studying it hard, working hard

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Speaker 1: about it. We will be back with you guys after

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Speaker 1: the first of the year, right before the week before

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, we will have a couple of shows

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Speaker 1: and then we'll start the journey all over again. So

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Speaker 1: from my scouting buddies Day Burglar, David Hellman, William Boykins,

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Speaker 1: executive producer, I'm Brian Brons. Thanks for joining us here

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Speaker 1: in the Draft Show and we'll see you in January.