1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: Holly Frye. We talked about some autoimmune diseases. Sure did, 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: very real one real autoimmune diseases that we're talking about. 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: Because I'm so mad at RFK Junior. I listened to 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: this entire speech because I wanted, like I just had 7 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: seen clips of it where he was saying that he 8 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: had never heard of juvenile diabetes when he was a kid, 9 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: And I was like, Buddy, is it because the kids 10 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: that you would have known would have died because treatment 11 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: was not as as available or understood when you were 12 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: growing up. By that point, insulin did exist, children with 13 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: diabetes were living a lot longer by the fifties and sixties. 14 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: But like, it's still we have progressed since then. That 15 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: is a thing that could have happened. But so I 16 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: listened to this entire thing so that I could make 17 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: note of all of the other things. So here are 18 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: some more things that he said he had never heard 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: of besides the ones that we mentioned in the episode. Ezema, 20 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: what I mean, You're braver than me because I can't 21 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: handle watching all of it. I'll read a transcript, but 22 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: I can't. I did watch it on two time speed 23 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: so that it would be over with faster. And I 24 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: think this came out while I was in Japan and 25 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: I was here, you were in jama La la la, 26 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: la la la. I'm gonna live in Japan for the 27 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: moment and not yeah, not get too watted up in 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: things back home. Yeah, uh so, I after seeing the 29 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: clip in which he mentioned juvenile diabetes, which isn't call 30 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: that anymore. Out the whole thing. So in addition to 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: the things that we talked about, ezema and ADHD, I 32 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: don't remember exactly when those were first defined. But then 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: speech and language delay, Okay, that's a whole category, right, Autism, 34 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: Tourette syndrome, and then autoimmune diseases another whole category. And 35 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: I was just like, man, this but some of these 36 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: things are more recently described, But then you look back 37 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: in history and you see evidence of them earlier on, 38 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: and a lot of stuff like ADHD and autism, there 39 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: is growing awareness, which means more people are being diagnosed 40 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: when they may not have been diagnosed earlier on because 41 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 1: that awareness wasn't there, right, And if you look at 42 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: charts of things over time, sometimes there will be like 43 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: increases in diagnoses of things like autism and ADHD, but 44 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: declines in more broad diagnoses diagnoses of things like developmental delay. Right, 45 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: So a child that would have been diagnosed with something 46 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: like developmental delay, which is very general and broad, instead 47 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: being diagnosed with something more specific like autism spectrum disorder. Yeah, 48 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff there. So. Another thing that was 49 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: happening in this speech that I just got so frustrated 50 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: about it was that he made repeated mentions of his 51 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: uncle and when his uncle was president and his uncle, 52 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: and he was making it sound like his uncle was 53 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: evident of robust health and that his uncle's presidency also 54 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: a time of better health for the American people. John F. 55 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: Kennedy had multiple chronic diseases, Yeah, and also not a 56 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: time of great health for people. No, No, So John F. 57 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: Kennedy's various chronic diseases were not publicly discussed much in 58 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: his lifetime. One would think that being a family member, 59 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: RFK would have any idea of what was going on. 60 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: But like John F. Kennedy's medical records were released in 61 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: two thousand and two, he probably had some kind of 62 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: genetic autoimmune disease. Also, Robert F. Kennedy Junior's aunt Rosemary 63 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: was given a lie bottomy because exactly what I was 64 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: going to mention, I it just made me so angry. 65 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 1: He was talking about his own family as though they 66 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: and the time they were living through was exemplary in 67 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: terms of health. They lobottomized her. It seems like she 68 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: did have some kind of intellectual disability, maybe also a 69 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: mood disorder, but it also seems like some of this 70 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: lobotomy was about people just not liking her behavior. Yeah, 71 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: and that lobotomy affected her for the rest of her 72 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: life in a bad way. Yeah. It was like a 73 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: shameful thing that was hidden. Yes, so some of my 74 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: notes in this part of the thing are in all 75 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: capital letters, and there are swear words that we don't 76 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: say on the podcast. It made me just furious though. Also, 77 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: there's a plan to take artificial a number of artificial 78 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: food dies out of the food system, or like at 79 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: least voluntarily do that by there's a like I said 80 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: in the intro to the episode, there's a whole can 81 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: of worms about like what these food dies may or 82 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: may not be connected to. But there's discussion of replacing 83 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: them with so called natural food dies. Something being natural 84 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's better for you or safer, or 85 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: there are a lot of naturally poisonous things in the world. Yeah. Yeah. Also, 86 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: if the government in this administration were actually concerned about 87 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: pollutants that really do make people sicker and air pollution 88 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: that really does cause disease, if this was actually a 89 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: concern to the administration, they would not be making big 90 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: cuts to the EPA, and they would not be getting 91 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: rid of what they say are burdensome regulations on industries. 92 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: This makes me feral. Yeah, so angry. If you actually 93 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: wanted for people to be healthier, maybe a starting point 94 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: could be universal healthcare. Well that's hippie tuck trade. I know. 95 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: We also didn't put it in the I didn't I 96 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: wrote this. I didn't put it in the Crohn's disease discussion. 97 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: But like uh Dwight Eisenhower, thirty fourth President of the 98 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: United States and also a five star general. He had 99 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: surgery for a bowel issue in nineteen fifty six and 100 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: his symptoms are like it has some consistencies with Crohnes. Again, 101 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: can't really diagnose people from the past that way, But 102 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: he does seem to have had some kind of chronic 103 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: bowel issue going on, right, could be in this umbrella anyway. 104 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: We're just we're gonna lose our reputation as a podcast 105 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: that doesn't often say a lot of explicitly political things. 106 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: But RFK Junior doesn't know what he's talking about, and 107 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: he is making dangerous decisions that are gonna harm people. Yeah, 108 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: and I hate it. I hate it deeply. I hate it. 109 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: I know people who couldn't get their meds because they 110 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: were being wrongly used for COVID bad stuff. I also 111 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: know what it's like to have a family member who 112 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: has a disease so rare that when you go to 113 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: a neurologist the specialty related to their rare disease, you 114 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: have to explain to them the rare disease that your 115 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: parent has. Yes, I hate all of it. I hate it. 116 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: I hate it. But do you like it a little? 117 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: Not even a little, not even the tiniest bit. I'm 118 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: going to wind up on some kind of government list. 119 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: I think my vocal criticisms me this administration's decisions. Uh yeah, yeah, Uh, 120 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: It's totally possible that air pollution is contributing to rates 121 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: of various autoimmune diseases. Yeah. The solution to that is 122 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: not to roll back the air quality regulations, right. It's 123 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: also not to cut funding to research or to you know, 124 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: try to eviscerate medicare and medicaid and anyway. Anyway, not 125 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: happy with a lot of things as they're happening right now. 126 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: I feel like if I went and took my blood 127 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: pressure right at this moment, the machine would be like, 128 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: why what is are you taking it? But do like 129 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: a tech avery cartoon, smoke coming out before it blows 130 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: up with springy bits coming out of it. Yeah. So 131 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: you know, if you are as riled up about all 132 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: of this as I am, and you don't already have it, 133 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: and you live in the United States, there's an app 134 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: called five Calls will help you with contacting your reps. 135 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: I also send them physical things in the mail. Yeah. 136 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: Sometimes go out into the street and scream in a group. Yeah, 137 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: And also try to take some moments to ground myself 138 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: every day. I just got back from a week of 139 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: vacation in which I had minimal time of looking at 140 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: the chronic fire hose of news. I was not totally 141 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: cut off from the news, but it was like less 142 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: of a continual presence all day long. Yeah, and it 143 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: was a nice little chance for my brain to do 144 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: some other things. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I don't know. 145 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: I vacillate. I feel like so drastically between like trying 146 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: to run to things to give me joy and then 147 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: trying to acknowledge and stay on top of all of 148 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: the horrors. And I'm like, I don't know, is this 149 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: constant like switching bad? I don't know. I can't tell. 150 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: I don't know the right path. Yeah. One of the 151 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: things that I did on this vacation that I was 152 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: on was that I did some volunteer work, and that 153 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: really helped with my mind. So, if you are able 154 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: to spend some time with an organization that you you 155 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: believe in, it's doing work that's important to you. If 156 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: your job or your schedule allows you some time to 157 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: do that. I spent a couple of hours repackaging an 158 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: enormous volume of black beans into two pound bags of 159 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: black beans in a feedbank, and honestly, it was one 160 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: of the best things that I also find, like when 161 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: I have had in my early adult life, like jobs 162 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: that were kind of like monotonous, laborious jobs. I found 163 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: those oddly zen and kind of good for my brain. Yeah, Like, 164 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: unfortunately they don't pay a living wage often, right, But 165 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: like I remember for a while when I was in 166 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: college in the summers, I would work in resorts cleaning rooms. Okay, 167 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: which is a hard job, yeah, but there was something 168 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: very like zen about walking in and being like, Okay, 169 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: I need make order out of this chaos. It's low stakes, 170 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: Like I don't have any emotional attachment to any of this. 171 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: I can just like get the betting, get the linens 172 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: out to the laundry, I can put fresh things down, 173 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: I can just make this clean and get out. And 174 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: it was like very good for me. So I often 175 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: find when I have done volunteer work that's like that, 176 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: aside from knowing that it's good and you know, feeling 177 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: good that you're doing something right, like just doing a 178 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: repetitive task for a couple hours. Yeah, I feel like 179 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: I have seen Alison from the Aska Manager blog talk 180 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: about how doing a volunteer task that was very different 181 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: from her normal work, which is, you know, writing about 182 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: workplace advice. Doing a volunteer thing that was just dramatically 183 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: different from her day to day work life, like really 184 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: helped with burnout because it was a a productive task, 185 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: requiring a totally different area of her brain and a 186 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: totally different style of working than writing about work. I 187 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: think that's probably good and I should probably find a 188 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: way to do more of that in my regular life 189 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: than when I'm not on vacation. We talked about the 190 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: Library of Congress this week. Indeed, I sure love it. Yeah, 191 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: me too. There were several times where I got very 192 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: choked up about it, yep, because I worked in a 193 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: library for more than a decade. Yeah, and I worked 194 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: in a university of library that used Library of Congress cataloging. 195 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: My trajectory there was weird because I got hired initially, 196 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: I've had strange career shifts in my life. I had 197 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: been working in a salon. I was very tired of it, 198 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: and I got hired at this university library to repair 199 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: old books, which they hired me just because in the 200 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: interview it was a parent that I was very crafty 201 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: and I was willing to look up methods the things 202 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: that Library of Congress had developed in terms of presentation, 203 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: and so I did that and I loved that job, 204 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: and I was a little too fast about it, because 205 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: then they were like, well, we don't have enough books 206 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: needing repair to sustain a position anymore. We can either 207 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: we can eat kind of we can either let you go, 208 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: or we could teach you cataloging. And I was like, cataloging, please. 209 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: So I was kind of in a paraprofessional role that 210 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: probably would have benefited from a library science degree, but 211 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: I did not have one. But I was cataloging a lot, 212 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: and I it's one of those things that I think 213 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: people who know me were a little like, this is 214 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: a very anal retentive job that doesn't seem like you're 215 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: j I loved it. I loved cataloging. And then I 216 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: ended up getting moved over and kind of managing the 217 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: library's acquisitions after that, and it was just it was 218 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: a time in my life where I did not make 219 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: a lot of money, but I really really liked my 220 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: job most of the time. So I have deep fondness 221 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: for libraries, in particular Library of Congress cataloging. I don't 222 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: clearly remember exactly how this came to be. It I 223 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: think it was when I was in middle school. I 224 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: was in the strings class, and my middle school had 225 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: way more kids doing band than doing strings, and somehow 226 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: the only way to have enough kids for the strings 227 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: class was to put me, who was in the last 228 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: year of middle school, into a room with kids that 229 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: were only in there every other day. So every other 230 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: day I needed to be kept occupied some other way, 231 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: and that some other way was helping in the middle 232 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: school library, and most of what I did was tidy 233 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: up and wipe down the tables and shelf books that 234 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: had been returned or put on the little carts, and 235 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: sometimes reading the shelves to look for things that were missing. Yeah. Oh, 236 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: shelf reading is hard for me. Yeah, missshelved incorrectly shelved. 237 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: And then when I was in high school and we 238 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: needed to do some kind of service activity for National 239 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: Honor Society, one of the things I did was the 240 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: same work in the high school library. I have questions, Okay, 241 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: was your middle school library using LC or Dewey? Probably Dewey. Yeah, 242 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: they were both using Dewey. But then I in college, 243 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: the college library was doing Library of Congress. I've mentioned before, 244 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: I am married to a librarian. I think a lot 245 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: of people aren't really aware of like the scope of 246 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: different things that librarians do. Every once in a while, 247 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: there will be discourse that starts going viral on you know, 248 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: TikTok or Instagram reels or whatever where someone is looking 249 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: for a job and doesn't understand why a librarian needs 250 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: to have a master's degree because they think that what 251 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: a librarian does is scan the bar, Yeah, which might 252 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: be one of the tasks that a librarian does, but 253 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: there's also like cataloging and curating the library's collection. Uh, 254 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, being a reference librarian and a resource for 255 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: the people who come in. My spouse's job as a 256 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: librarian does not look anything like most people might expect 257 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: of a librarian because what he's doing is like curating 258 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: sets of data for researchers yea. And if he's going 259 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: into the stacks for something, it's literally defined a book 260 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: that I asked for. I don't think he ever goes 261 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: into the stacks for like the core of his job. Yeah, 262 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of reference librarian positions in 263 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: places you wouldn't expect that do things like that, like 264 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: he wass at a university, But like I have had 265 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: friends that have worked at like the libraries for like 266 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: big media companies where like their news channel comes to 267 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: them and is like, I need context for this thing 268 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: going on now, and they help pull. Yeah, academic journals sometimes, 269 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: but rarely books, but like, you know, things like newspapers, 270 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: et cetera that will help them build a story. Like 271 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: that's another thing that reference librarians do. Yeah, in those 272 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: specialty kind of libraries. It's been a while. We used 273 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: to get periodically emails from folks who were asking for 274 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: advice about how to research some like maybe a family 275 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: member and they know that their family member did something 276 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: related to their local history, or maybe they were involved 277 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: in a particular battle in World War One or World 278 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: War two or something like that. And usually my first 279 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: recommendation to the folks that wrote in would would be like, 280 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: so start by talking to the reference librarian, if your 281 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: local library has a reference librarian. Yeah, there are some 282 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: great stories from the reference desk that I have heard 283 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: over the years. Yeah, one of which I will retell 284 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: in the most nebulous ways so nobody comes in trouble. 285 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: One of my friends, who was working in a university 286 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: libraries from an academic library, had been working with this 287 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: woman who was older than like your average college age 288 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: student for a while on various projects, and she it 289 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: had come up in conversation at one point like, oh, 290 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: you know, are you did you decide to go back 291 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: to school for you know, blah blah blah. And that 292 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: is when we found out that she was in fact 293 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: doing all of the research and writing of her son's work. 294 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: Oh no, And it was like, oh, ma'am, this is 295 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: not what you should be doing at the library. Now 296 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: there are some there is one particular story that I found. 297 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: I don't charming. I don't know if it's endearing. It's 298 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: also like, dude, you gotta do the thing you gotta do. 299 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: We mentioned that the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence 300 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: had gone to Fort Knox during World War two. Yep. 301 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: But even before that there had been efforts to get 302 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: them moved, and that was to the National Archives, which 303 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: was founded in the mid nineteen thirties. But at that point, 304 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: Putnam was the Librarian of Congress and he couldn't bring 305 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: himself to part with those documents, and so everyone was like, 306 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: that's fine. And then he retired in nineteen thirty nine, 307 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: so I'm like, okay, now we can move those to 308 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: the National Archives. But then World War two happened, and 309 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: everything got really busy and dangerous, and so then even 310 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: like once things were going to come back, there were 311 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: protests from library staff. There was library staff that definitely 312 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: thought like, we have been the caretakers of these documents 313 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: and we want to retain them, And there was a 314 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: little bit of push and pull over whether they would 315 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: go to the National Archives, which they, yeah, eventually did. 316 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: The Library of Congress also does a lot of very 317 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: cool programming and has done a lot of very cool 318 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: programming over the years, one of which is a thing 319 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: that they did for a while I don't know if 320 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: they're still doing it called their mostly Lost Films programs, 321 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: where it would be like they would show pieces of 322 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: films that are not necessarily documented in terms of attribution, 323 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: who is in them, et cetera, and the audience could 324 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: actually help. Like a lot of Cinophiles would go and 325 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: they would be like, I have seen that actor in 326 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: this other movie. Can we cross reference him and figure 327 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: out his name so that we have credits for this movie. 328 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: Like it's like a really fun way to crowdsource people 329 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: who love movies into helping to create more robust and 330 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: complete records, which I love. And it also sounded like 331 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: just a super fun way to spend a night out. Yeah, 332 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: there are so many fascinating treasures. One of the things 333 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: that I love in every interview I've ever seen doctor 334 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: Carla Hayden do is she talks a lot about like 335 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: the incredible treasures that are actually in the Library of 336 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: Congress and in libraries in general, and like finding them 337 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: and making sure the public understands what those things are 338 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 1: and how they came to be in the library, and 339 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: how they tell the story of us as a people, 340 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: as a nation, as a global community, et cetera. Like, 341 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: there are just some incredibly cool things. The Bay Psalm Book, 342 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: which was published in sixteen forty is one of the 343 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: is that the first book that was actually completely published 344 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: in the North American colonies, I think, But they have 345 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: a one of the only surviving copies of it which 346 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: was bequeathed to them. It was loan to them, I 347 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: think in nineteen sixty five by missus Adrian Man Sindron, 348 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: and then when she passed it was bequeathed. It was 349 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: on loan until she died, and then the library took 350 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: ownership of it officially. But there are a lot of 351 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: little things like that that you think about that are 352 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: incredibly rare and interesting that are just lurking in libraries. 353 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: Some you can't necessarily see. Some are in special collections 354 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: that like you have to jump through some hoops to 355 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: get access to for reasons and preservation. But it's just 356 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: incredibly cool stuff in my opinion. Yeah, I love a 357 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: Library of Congress. Thing that we sort of alluded to 358 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: in the episode but didn't specifically talk about, was the 359 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: Chronicling America Historical Newspapers collection. Yeah, that you can get 360 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: to online, which is jointly done by the Library Library 361 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: of Congress and the National Endowment for the Humanities. There 362 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: have been obviously budget cut and other cut things affecting 363 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: both of these. The last I saw, there were concerns 364 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: about whether these cuts meant new items not being added 365 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: to this collection, and like, I don't know if there's 366 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: been a more recent update on that, but like the 367 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: that's something that I use for the podcast just continually. 368 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: It kind of goes back to what you were saying earlier. 369 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: I don't think people necessarily realized how much librarians do 370 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: and how many different sorts of services they offer. I mean, 371 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: even you know, in the case of the Librarian of Congress. 372 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: There are parts of that job that we might not 373 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: think of, Like that is who selects the poet Laureate, 374 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: which I'm sure to some people seems like a very estheteric, 375 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: lofty right, like removed from our immedia day to day doings, 376 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: But like that's an important role because that's a person 377 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: that represents a moment in time of our history, our 378 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: communal history, and our written history. And I just these 379 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: are important responsibilities in addition to all of the other 380 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: administrative stuff and being like the final word on decision 381 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: making and whatnot for the library. I really encourage anyone 382 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: who is interested in Carla Hayden to just do a 383 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: search for her online because you will find story after 384 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: story after story of colleagues of hers who talk about 385 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: her dedication, her understanding of the importance of libraries, her 386 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: just willingness to do the work whatever that requires. When 387 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,239 Speaker 1: she was in Baltimore working in a library like it 388 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: needed a lot of cleanup, and she did not hesitate 389 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: to get in there and do cleaning shifts with the 390 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: rest of the staff and make sure that like everything 391 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: was getting done and that there were just enough people 392 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: on hand and enough you know, arms to do the labor, 393 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,959 Speaker 1: and she is dedicated and that's why it really upset 394 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: me when she was fired. So lest I cry some more. Yeah, 395 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of another funny library story other 396 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: than you know, people doing all of the research work 397 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: for their kids to get a degree that they didn't earn. 398 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: I still marvel at that one. I'm like, have you 399 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: thought this through? Yeah? I feel like that kind of 400 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: feeds into the bigger, a bigger conversation that's going on 401 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: now about like the use of large language models and 402 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: things like chat GPT and kids using those to basically 403 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: write their papers. And it's like the process of writing 404 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: the paper is what's important here, Like, yes, it's the 405 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: that Like that's you're that's part of the learning and 406 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: the demonstration of what you have learned well, And it's 407 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: like I want to be like, look, I get it. 408 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: We essentially write a research paper every week some weeks too, yeah, 409 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: because that's our job and it can be arduous in 410 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: their days where you're like I don't want to and 411 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: I understand the impulse to give into that. Yeah, but 412 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: like you're I mean, I still in my mid fifties 413 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: having done this job for a while. I still feel 414 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: like I'm learning new ways to research all the time, 415 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: and about the new research resources, and all of that 416 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: is both illuminating and enriching, and like the hard parts 417 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: often result in, you know, a feeling of growth in 418 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: terms of even if it's just my grasp of what's 419 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: available to me. So I hate to think of people 420 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: cheating themselves out of that discovery, but that may also 421 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: sound very pie in the sky. I don't know anyway, Yeah, 422 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at our production calendar and I just 423 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: realized it is unplanned that Monday's episode was inspired by 424 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: that RFK junior speech, and this one is inspired by 425 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: the firing of the Librarian of Congress. Like that we 426 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: didn't come together and say let's have a really political 427 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: week of the show. No, And the thing is right, Like, 428 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: I know, I'm sure there are people for whom I 429 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: was thinking about this while I was working on this one, 430 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: that they'll be like, there are way bigger, scarier things 431 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: going on than the Library of Congress related stuff. And 432 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: I understand that this one really hit me because of 433 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: my background in working in university libraries and my fondness. Listen, 434 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: I have such fond memories of that AACR two manual, 435 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: which is not what's used anymore. That was the Anglo 436 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: American Cataloging Rules. I loved my AACR two manual. Now 437 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: that's it's replaced, is it resource description? I don't remember 438 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,239 Speaker 1: the name of the new manual. I'm sorry that came 439 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: out after I stopped cataloging, but like I just I 440 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: think about it because I in thinking about that and wondering, like, 441 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: are people going to think this is an unimportant aspect 442 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: of the avalanche of tumult that's going on. I remember, 443 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: at a pretty early age, I was either a senior 444 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: in high school or possibly a freshman in college, but 445 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,959 Speaker 1: I remember talking to my childhood best friend. And this 446 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: will sound like the silliest nerdiest conversation, but we were 447 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: literally having this conversation about what a miracle a book 448 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: feels like because you literally have at your fingertips a 449 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: portal into someone else's thoughts, and how it is such 450 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: a unique resource and such an amazing thing, and having 451 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: those kinds of things available to us, and particularly the 452 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: efforts that have gone on since doctor Hayden's appointment to 453 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: really open the doors of the Library of Congress, So 454 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: everyone has access to an entire universe of being able 455 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: to tap into the things other people have thought and 456 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: believed and questioned and discussed. That it That's why it 457 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: sort of hits me very very hard. It's like, don't 458 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: close that door. We need that one a lot. Anyway, 459 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking very high in the sky about my feelings 460 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: and books. But I hope everybody gets to read lots 461 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: of books they love. Listen. It doesn't have to be highbrow. 462 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: Reading is great. It's great therapy. It's great to make 463 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: your brain happy. It can be very soothing, it can 464 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: be enlightening. And if you're reading as audio books amazing great. 465 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm a big audiobook fan because I don't sometimes my 466 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: eyes are just tired. We read a lot for our jobs. 467 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes if it's my pleasure, true my pleasure, reading is 468 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: off in audiobooks because I could just sit and I 469 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: can do stuff in the sewing room or paint something, 470 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: or be driving or whatever, and I still get the information. 471 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: It makes me very happy. In any case, if this 472 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: is your weekend coming up and you have time off, 473 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: I hope that you get to read for pleasure, enjoy 474 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: an audiobook, whatever makes you happy. I hope that everybody's 475 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: cool to you, and that you can be kind to 476 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: everyone you encounter, and that nobody's a jerk. That may 477 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: sound like a very high bar, but I'm hoping. I'm 478 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: gonna hope every time. I'm gonna be optimistic about it. 479 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: If it's not your time off, I still hope that 480 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: everybody's cool to you, and that your responsibilities do not 481 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: preclude you from reading or listening to an audiobook or 482 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: doing whatever it is that makes you feel refreshed, renewed, revitalized, 483 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: and enriched. We will be right back here tomorrow with 484 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: a classic episode, and then on Monday we will have 485 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: something brand new. It may or may not be inspired 486 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: by current events. 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