1 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, has been a chaotic week again in the news. 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: All sorts of things are happening. But today I want 3 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: to suspend that little time highlighting what the fuck is 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: going on with Donald Trump's cabinet. Seriously, what the bleep 5 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: is happening with these people. It's like, Secretary's gone rogue, 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: Secretary's gone wild. We're gonna have a great show. We're 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: gonna talk about it, one by one, some of the 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: best or worst moments of some of these secretaries, because 9 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: I think it's you know, it's so much that I 10 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: kind of feel like the cumulative insanity of it all 11 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: we are missing. So let's break it down. So listen. 12 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: I have found it cringe, as the young people say, 13 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: amusing discuss the whole thing. I mean, it's just insane. 14 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: I can't overuse the word insane when it comes to 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: Trump's misadministration. But this cabinet in particular, it is so 16 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: different from Trump's cabinet in his first term. I mean, 17 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: that was bad enough, but at least there were people 18 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: in that cabinet who were qualified, who had some sort 19 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: of moral compass. Most of them ended up getting fired, 20 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: of course, when they didn't do exactly what Trump wanted 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: and they didn't generflecked enough. So Trump term two, he 22 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: has surrounded himself by yes men and women, highly unqualified, 23 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: some of them highly immoral, doing performance art for him 24 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: on a daily basis. And I think we should talk 25 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: about some of them. First. Let's start with our dear 26 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: Secretary of Commerce, the honorable Howard Lutnik. Okay, so, Howard 27 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: Lutnik is a very wealthy finance guy from New York, 28 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: been a friend of Trump's for decades from the New 29 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: York circles. But here's the part I want us to 30 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: focus on. So last year, in twenty twenty five, late 31 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: last year, he was on this podcast because it turns 32 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: out Howard Lutnick and Jeffrey Epstein were next door neighbors 33 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: for like a decade in New York. One of them 34 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: lived on nine North nine East seventy first Street, the 35 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: other one lived next door eleven Et seventy first Street. 36 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: Maybe we should start doing tours of New York where 37 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: we go and see these infamous mansions. Anyways, Howard Lutnek 38 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: goes on this podcast late last year and he goes 39 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: on and on and on for five minutes talking about 40 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: how he had met Epstein once and how he and 41 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: his wife had been so disgusted and creeped out and 42 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: just found him so itchy and gross that one time 43 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: that he had never again been under the same roof 44 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein the rest of his life, not in 45 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: financial circles, not philanthropy, not social circles. That's all. It 46 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: took one time, and I thought to myself, you know, 47 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: that's pretty impressive of Howard Lutnik accept that. As the 48 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: new batch of Epstein documents were released in early February, 49 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: we learned that he was lying. Not only was he lying. 50 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: At some point the Lutnix contacted Epstein to ask Epstein 51 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: for the coordinates of his island, Okay, so that they 52 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: could dock their yacht on that pedal island. They took 53 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: their children, they took their nannies, and they went to 54 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: lunch there, and they ended up having had much more 55 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: of a relationship than Howard Lutnick first admitted to. This 56 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: is one of these cases where the Secretary doth protest 57 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: too much, because, frankly, if he hadn't gone on that 58 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: rant trying to be holier than that when it came 59 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,119 Speaker 1: to Epstein, he wouldn't look as stupid, in as much 60 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: of a bold faced liar, and as hypocritical as he does. 61 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: Once we saw what came out from the Epstein files, 62 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: this latest batch of the Epstein files. God knows what 63 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: else might come out on the if and when we 64 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: see the remaining files. Okay, so that's Howard Lutnick. Now 65 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: let's move on to Secretary of Homeland Security Christy Nome. Okay, So, 66 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have heard about this, 67 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: but she's got this acting senior advisor who's practically her 68 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: chief of staff. His name is Corey Lowandowski. I actually 69 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: know him because I worked with him on he was 70 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: a CNN contributor for a hot five minutes. We coincided. 71 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: I didn't like him then, I don't like him now. 72 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 1: But it turns out that Christinome apparently likes him a lot, 73 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: like a lot. Word on the street is they are 74 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: having an affair. I think Lowandowski's married. I don't know 75 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: about Christinome, but the whole thing is pretty sordid. But 76 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: here's where it gets even better. Here's where the telenovella 77 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: takes a curb. Oh and by the way, he's in 78 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: some sort of special role, unpaid advisory role that he 79 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: can only be at for one hundred and thirty days, 80 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: which he's well passed. But forget government ethics. Who needs 81 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: to worry about little things like that when you have 82 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: important things to worry about, like the Secretary's safety blanket. 83 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: So the story came out the Lowandowski fired a US 84 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: Coastguard pilot of a plane after Christy Nome left her 85 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: blankie on the plane and it got lost when they 86 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: moved to a different plane. The best part about this, though, 87 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: was that apparently they had to rehire the Coastguard pilot 88 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: because they had nobody to fly the plane. So that's 89 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: a problem if you're gonna fire the pilot on the spot, 90 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: if you're going to go on a crazy tirade and 91 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: get pissed over your lost security blanket. Which reminds me 92 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: of that character in Peanuts. Do you all remember there 93 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: was like the one little boy who always carried his 94 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: little blanky with him was JB. Linus. Okay, so we've 95 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: now got Secretary of Homeland Security Linus from the Peanuts 96 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: comic strip. If you're gonna fire your pilot, you better 97 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: have another pilot unless you can fly your own plane. Okay, So, 98 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: not to be outdone, We've talked about Lutnek, We've talked 99 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: about gnome deportation Barbie as I like to call her. 100 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: But not to be outdone, let us now talk about 101 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: RFK Junior. Oh yes, RFK Junior, How can we forget him? 102 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: Just a couple of weeks ago, he was on a 103 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: podcast with THEO Vaughn talking about the good old days 104 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: when he used to snort cocaine off toilet seats. Yes 105 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: you heard that, But if that wasn't enough. A few 106 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: days later, he dropped a video on social media where 107 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: he is shirtless wearing jeans doing a folk workout with 108 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: Kid Rock. I think they're like in asana or something, 109 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: and RFK the human the Health Secretary is there in 110 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: his genes, which I think is weird. For somebody to 111 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: be working out in genes and shirtless strikes me as weird. 112 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: Even more weird is when he goes on to do 113 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: a cold plunge in the same genes and shirtless, and 114 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: he's like on this sauna thing doing a sauna routine 115 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: with Kid Rock and they're drinking. It is crazy that 116 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: the Secretary of Health and Human Services would be engaging 117 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: in this kind of behavior and that nobody would say 118 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: to him, sir, maybe you shouldn't post this on social 119 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: media because maybe you don't give people confidence on your 120 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: advice when it comes to health and human services. And 121 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: you look ridiculous. I mean, where is his wife? Are 122 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: there no people around him telling him that this is 123 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: stupid and inappropriate and cringey? And all right? So now 124 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: we've talked about Lutnick no rfku. Oh, yes, how could 125 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: I forget the Lady macbeth of the entire cabinet, Pam Bondy. 126 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: And you know, I've known Pam Bondy for a long time. 127 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: I knew her when she was Attorney General of Florida. Folks, 128 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: I don't recognize this woman who I see doing the 129 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: performances that she does. They look like high school auditions 130 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: for Cruella Deville. When she is in the you know, 131 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: testifying in front of the Senator, in front of the 132 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: House of Representatives. The last one she was in front 133 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: of the House of Representatives, but they had her number. 134 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: She had you know, her burn book where she comes 135 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: up with oppo research on each and every Democrat on 136 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: the committee that she can retort with and humiliate them with. 137 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: But they knew what they were doing. They'd seen her 138 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: do this already in front of the Senate, So the 139 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: act seemed infantile, seemed old, seemed stupid. I thought the 140 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: worst part of it all for me, frankly, it wasn't 141 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: her theatrics and her burns and insults at Hamin and 142 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: insults which I think have no place in a place 143 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: like a congressional hearing, particularly from the Attorney General of 144 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: the United States. These are positions that are supposed to 145 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,359 Speaker 1: have gravitas and be serious, and I think they require 146 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: some level of decorum and respect for the office. But 147 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: to me, that wasn't the worst part. The worst part 148 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: about the Pambondi testimony was the fact that there were 149 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: Epstein survivors, women who had been young girls and victimized 150 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: by Jeffrey Epstein, who were sitting in that hearing, sitting 151 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: a few rows behind her in that hearing, and they 152 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: were asked to get up at some point, to stand 153 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: up and raise their hands if any of them had 154 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: offered to give testimony, to give their testimony to Department 155 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: of Justice, and they all said they had all offered. 156 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: Then they were all asked if the Department of Justice 157 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: had contacted any of them, and they all with that exemption, 158 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: said no, none of them had been contacted by Pam 159 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: Bondi's DOJ. But the worst part was that Pam Bondi 160 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: never once turned around to so much as acknowledge their presence, 161 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: to look them in the eye and apologize, apologize for 162 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: what her Department of Justice hasn't done and has done, 163 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: like not redact their names, hasn't done, like not meet 164 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: with them, not take them up on their offer to 165 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: meet with the Department of Justice officials, but also the 166 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: things that have been done by other Department of Justices. 167 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: These women have been let down, have been failed, not 168 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: just by the Trump Department of Justice, but you know, 169 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: by the Biden Department of Justice, and the Bush Department 170 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: of Justice, Bush and the Obama Department of Justice. But yeah, 171 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: it was it was to me pretty shocking to see Pambondi, 172 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: who I knew as a regular person, as a as 173 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: a nice woman, someone I like to socialize with, somebody 174 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: that was fun to go have drinks with. We would 175 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: talk about her dog, we'd talk about, you know, our 176 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: dating lives, we would talk about our lives. She was 177 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: a nice girl, okay, And to see her turn into this, 178 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: into this caricature of an evil witch, not even willing 179 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: to turn around and acknowledge those victims, to look up 180 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: her nose, look down her nose in disdain and contempt, 181 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: was just I think a particularly a particular low moment 182 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: for a cabinet that's had a low low of lows, 183 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: a high of lows, a lot of lows. Let's just 184 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: say so. When I tell you that it's a particular 185 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: low moment by the Trump cabinet, that's a really high 186 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: bar to cross. But okay, so we are leaving my 187 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: former friend Marco Rubio for last. Like with Pam, I've 188 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: known Marco way before any of this. In fact, I 189 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: knew Marco for many years, even before knowing Pam Bondy. 190 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio and I grew up in South Florida Republican circles, 191 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, knowing the same people, going to the same 192 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: political events, volunteering and supporting the same campaigns. His first 193 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: job out of law school was with my husband. 194 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 2: Uh. 195 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: He worked with my husband. My husband helped him get elected, 196 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: uh supported him when he was Speaker of the House 197 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: in Florida. So bottom line, what I'm trying to tell 198 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: you is Marco and I are the same age, and 199 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: we've known each other since we were teenagers. I supported him. 200 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: I thought I found him to be an inspirational, eloquent figure, 201 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: young new blood, so proud of him as a Hispanic, 202 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: and then he's turned into this, and I just, you know, 203 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: I just think that time and time again. What we 204 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: are seeing with this Trump cabinet is people who, because 205 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: they are so drunk with power, they are so enamored 206 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: with the trappings that come with being part of a cabinet. 207 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: The planes and the titles, and the invitations to mar 208 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: A Lago and the invitations to the White House state 209 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: dinners and being around in the cabinet room. It's heavy stuff. 210 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: Power being in the circles of power is heady stuff. 211 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: And the things they have to do in order to 212 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: stay on Trump's good side, in order to stay in 213 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: those circles of power is frankly sell. Their souls become 214 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: completely different people than they have been, have completely differ convictions, 215 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: if they have any then they held before, if they 216 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: had any before. I look at Marco in particular, I 217 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: look at Pam Bondie in particular, I don't recognize these people, 218 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: these people whose phone I had, who we used to 219 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: talk to, we used to talk and see each other 220 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: on a regular basis. They are irrecognizable for me and I. 221 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: You know, I hope I hope that people, and that 222 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: we teach our children and that we ourselves have a 223 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: level of a red line in our internally. We all 224 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: need to have internal red lines that we are not 225 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: willing to cross just in order to please a boss, 226 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: even if that boss is the president. The Marco Rubio 227 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: and Pam Bondie I knew, happy to say, I never 228 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: knew RFK, I never knew Lutnik or Christinome. But Marco 229 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: and the Pam BONDI I know, have compromised everything they 230 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: once stood for. But anyways, Marco was in Europe. He 231 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: was talking at the Munich Security Conference. He gave a 232 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: speech very different than what Jade Vance had given the 233 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: year before when he was there. But you know, it 234 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: kind of feels like Marco is very hands on and 235 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: very involved when it comes to the Western hemisphere, Latin 236 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: America in particular. That's obviously an area of interest for 237 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: him and one where I think he has been instrumental 238 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: in getting Trump to bomb boats off the coast of 239 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: Venezuela to go in and extricate Maduro from the bunker 240 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: in Karakas. Now they're in the midst of an all 241 00:16:54,480 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: out pressure campaign on Cuba, basically cutting off Cuba from 242 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: all oil supplies. Cuba lost Cuba had like a preferential 243 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: deal of the Cuba. One of the things that Maduro 244 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: did was sell oil to his cronies, including the government 245 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: in the dictatorship, the regime in Cuba. That's been cut 246 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: off now that the US and Rubio are running basically 247 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: the petroleum agency in Venezuela. They've also threatened Mexico with 248 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: sanctions if Mexico sells oil to Cuba. So Cuba is 249 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: very quickly approaching a crisis moment. They are running out 250 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: of electricity. The country can't run without oil. The country 251 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: the cars can't run. With the cars can't run, there's 252 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: no tourism, the planes can't land. So they are going 253 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: through an incredibly tough time and it will be even tougher. 254 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: I guess the endgame is to try to bring this government, 255 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: this regime, to its knees and have them do what 256 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, leave I don't know what the I 257 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: don't know what the long term plan is, and I 258 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: don't know how this is gonna play politically. I you know, 259 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: I have my questions about this because there's been several 260 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: waves of Cuban immigration. I'll tell you my husband's generation. 261 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: He came when he was a little kid in the sixties. 262 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: That first wave of Cuban immigrants. They are all for 263 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: a hardline policy towards Cuba. Cut them off, make them cry, uncle, 264 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: make them give up, have them all leave. But there's 265 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: been a lot more Cubans and a lot of other 266 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: waves of Cubans that have come more recently, and those 267 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: people still have family in Cuba. 268 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: The guy who. 269 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: Drives me around in Miami, my Uber driver, who I 270 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: now use whenever I go to events and things in Miami, 271 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: he's got three children in Cuba, and so those kids 272 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: are now not able to get around. Food prices are 273 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: far more expensive because of the lack of oil and 274 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: the transportation costs going up so much. They don't have 275 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: electricity to run appliances in their homes. And that guy's 276 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: a Trump supporter, the guy I'm telling you about. And 277 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: so there's a bunch of Cubans in Florida now an 278 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: important state politically for Republicans. It's a bunch of more 279 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: recently arrived Cubans and Cuban Americans, most of them who 280 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: staunchly supported Donald Trump, that have ties to the island, 281 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,959 Speaker 1: either economic or family, ties to the island that the 282 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: wave of Cubans, the hardline old generation ogs who came 283 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties do not have. So I don't 284 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: know that this is going to be as good at 285 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: political play as they think as Trump and Marco think. 286 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: It may be not to mention that some of these 287 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: Cubans who have been longtime residents of Florida are getting 288 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: deported to places like Sudan and as Wa Tini, wherever 289 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: the hell that is. So yeah, So keep all of 290 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: this in mind, pay attention to what's happening. Let's remember 291 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: Cuba is ninety miles off the coast of Florida. There 292 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: have been times when there's been very deep crisis in 293 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: Cuba and it's ended up in flotillas and massive exodus 294 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:49,239 Speaker 1: of Cuban immigrants through the straits of Florida looking for 295 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: freedom and looking for food. Want the I want freedom 296 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: for the Cuban people. I don't know what the best 297 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: way to achieve it is. It's been over sixty years 298 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: of tatorship. But things are happening right now because of 299 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: American foreign policy, and we got to keep an eye 300 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: on it. We have a summit on March seventh, a 301 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: Latin American Leader's Summit happening in Miami, and let's all 302 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: keep an eye on what happens regarding our own hemisphere. 303 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: So back in January, I had a chance to sit 304 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: down with Maria no Josa. Maria is a journalist host 305 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: of the longest running Latino news show in the country, Latino, 306 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: you would say, it's called And one of the things 307 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: I really wanted to pick her brain about because I, 308 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, I like to talk about with a Hispanic 309 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: about Marco Rubio, a Hispanic that doesn't know him like 310 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: I do and doesn't have the biases that I do 311 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: when it comes to Marco. So we've got that for you. 312 00:21:53,320 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: Right after the break this week, we have our inaugural guest, 313 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: a great guest, somebody I'm very excited to have on 314 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: one of these people, Maria, you know, Hosa. Let me 315 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: just say her name and say it over and over 316 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: again and Maria, you are one of these people who 317 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: I feel like I know, but incredibly our paths have 318 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: never crossed until today, and it's it's a joy to 319 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: be with you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so 320 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: proud of the trail blazer that you are, the doors 321 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: that you have opened. You wear so many hats, Like 322 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: you just said to me, you're Mexican. You've got sixteen jobs. 323 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: So you are a professor, you are a journalist, you 324 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: are a host. You are the host of the longest 325 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: running Latino themed show called Latino USA, which is now 326 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: part of iHeart. 327 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 2: So Me and Nida Maria. 328 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: So the show is called bleep because I'm often bleeped 329 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: out for things I say, So, what's your favorite word 330 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: that would get you bleeped? 331 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 2: Is it going to be bleeped? No? 332 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: Oh good, it's iHeart. That's the beauty of this. 333 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: So in Spanish, you're swinging ma la lada. How do 334 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: you say? I have a potty mouth? Right? And I 335 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 2: have to kind of warn people because you know, they 336 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: see these journalists with all these awards and they're like, 337 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 2: and I'm like, please, I have swim la lada right now. 338 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: When the question is asked, what is my favorite? Look? 339 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: Maybe la. 340 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: Okay, which means son of a bitch just means son 341 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: of a bit, but it feels better and sounds better, 342 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: and it does. 343 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: But you know, I'm Mexicans, so you know, not jingis 344 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: you know chingada, you know, is one of my favorite. 345 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: Sometime I watch the news right now, the first word 346 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: that comes out of my mouth of ca. But that's 347 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: just that, that's just me responding to the news. But 348 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, you were just talking about being a journalist 349 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: and having awards. One of the things you have is 350 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 1: a bulletzer. So the question I have for you is 351 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: would you be willing to donate that bulletzer to Donald 352 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: Trump if it would get him to shut up? Because 353 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I just think his fixation is such that 354 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: we should all donate any type of award we've received 355 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: in our lives and send it to sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. 356 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: Like I have a few honorable mentions and participation awards. 357 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: I've never won anything athletic, but I can give him those. 358 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: So I have one that I got for participating in 359 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: a pickleball tournament that you know I'm willing to send. 360 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: Would you part with your pulletzer. What are you willing 361 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: to part with for him pracayarlo to shut him up 362 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: and have. 363 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 2: Him act like I think the notion that giving him 364 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 2: something is going to make him be quiet, or make 365 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 2: him change, or make him better is an illusion. I 366 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: would never in my life ever give Donald Trump my bulletzer, 367 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: my Peabody, my two Robert F. Kennedy Awards, my Edward R. 368 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: Murrow Award, my four Emmys Hamas, because I feel like 369 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: it is feeding a monster. 370 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: It's funny you say that it's not funny, because it's 371 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: really poignant. Of course, what we're making reference to is 372 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: Maria Corina Machialo, the Venezuelan opposition leader who did win 373 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: the Nobel Peace Prize and had to take it to 374 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: the White House and offer it at his altar in 375 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: order to appease him, in order and in order not 376 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: to be shut out of the entire transition process, you know, 377 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: and going on in Venezuela. He's got all the leverage, 378 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: but all these European leaders who for the first year 379 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: all they did was flatter him and kowtow to him 380 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: and bring him gifts and trinkets and invite him to 381 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: dinners with the King and things that make him feel 382 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: have learned after a year that giving in to the 383 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: bully is never going to satisfy the bully. 384 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: Is sack them in there. And what's happening is that 385 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: the whole world is watching this. That's where I think 386 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 2: the world is shifting before our eyes, Anna, and that 387 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 2: is something that we live in interesting times, yes we do, 388 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 2: but to watch what is happening with our country being 389 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 2: led by this person. I think that Prime Minister Canadian 390 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: Prime Minister Carne in his speech, and it hurts me 391 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: to say this, but he hit the nail on the head. 392 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,239 Speaker 2: He said, we have to stop with the illusion that 393 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: the United States is the greatest country in the world 394 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 2: being led by a great leader. And the more we 395 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 2: kind of keep the sign going that no, no, but 396 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 2: we have to follow the United States is going to 397 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 2: be our downfall worldwide. So that you know, I'm trying 398 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 2: to think about what does this mean for my kids? 399 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 2: You know, how long will I be around to witness 400 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 2: what the aftermath of this is. Pro te Digo Nkosa 401 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: one of my favorite so this is the opposite of 402 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: swear words. My favorite detro from Mexico is Noe mil 403 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: Keburbia Nowega. This is the worst of times, but something 404 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 2: extraordinary is going to happen when we come out of this. 405 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: More people know about ice, they know about border patrol, 406 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 2: they know about the abuses that I've been reporting about 407 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: for decades. They know now this country will change because 408 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: of this, and it's going to change for the better. 409 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: To me, this is I want us to talk about 410 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio, And to me, this is very interesting because 411 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: I know Marco. I have known Marco since we were 412 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: practically teenagers, were basically the same age. We grew up 413 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: in the same political activism circles in my Miami. I 414 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: don't recognize the man I see, and it's particularly hurtful 415 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 1: to see his silence after he had been so vocal 416 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: on immigration issues. You know, that's where I come from. 417 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: On Marco. I feel I feel personal betrayal of our community, 418 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: and I feel I feel personal betrayal because I helped him, 419 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: I supported him, I believed in him, I donated to him. 420 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: You know, he was somebody that at one point I 421 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: found incredibly inspiring. So as another Latino, but who didn't 422 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: grow up with Marco. How are you seeing it. 423 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: The word that stands out of everything your lead up 424 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: is his silence. This is where I'm just like Yelo, Marco, 425 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: and I have no proof of what I'm about to say, 426 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: but he does not look well. When I see Marco Rubio, 427 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, what happened to this smile? What happened to 428 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: the light in your eyes? What happened to your energy? 429 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: To your determination whether or not I agreed with you. 430 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: You were a political leader who had a backbone, literally 431 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: would stand straight and talk and pontificate about issues. And 432 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: now it's like he's a shadow of himself in the 433 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: way he looks down. His eyes are always looking down. 434 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: The way that he is embarrassed by Donald Trump. Just 435 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: happened recently. Marco Rubio wrote a note to him and 436 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: was like, hey, boss, changed the subject, and then Donald 437 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 2: Trump reads the note out loud and Marco Rubio again, 438 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: you just see him if being becoming smaller and smaller. 439 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: So when you say you feel personally betrayed, I understand 440 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: that from the outside, I'm saying, I'm watching the withering 441 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: away of a man again. Is this yet another human 442 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: being who is going to lose all credibility and will 443 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: never be able to recuperate because of Donald Trump. 444 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: You and I are seeing him that way. Yet on 445 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: the right correct they are seeing him as a leader 446 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: who's building a profile, making him viable to run for president. 447 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: When you hear the right wing talk about the successors 448 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump, the names you hear are JD. Vans 449 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: versus Marco Rubio and basically who's going to be on top? 450 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I feel like Marco has 451 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: compromised every conviction and principle I thought I believed at 452 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: one point he stood for. I think in his mind 453 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: he's probably he's probably justifying it by seeing things like 454 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: the removal of Maduro from Venezuela, something that has been 455 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: very important to him, something that he has worked on 456 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: his entire career, something that's frankly very important to our 457 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: South Florida community. People always say, nobody voted for this, 458 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: nobody voted for what Donald Trump is doing. Well, I 459 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: actually know people who voted for Donald Trump because they 460 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: believed he would get rid of Maduro and Ortega, Nicaraua 461 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: and the Canale in Cuba. And I think Marco comes 462 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: from that, right. He was His first job in politics 463 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: was working for my husband, who was the chairman of 464 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: the Republican Party of Florida and had a law firm 465 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: in Miami. He became commissioner city commissioner of a tiny 466 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: little community called West Miami, heavily Cuban American and heavily 467 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: immigrant and Latino. He then became a state legislator, became 468 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: the Speaker of the House in Florida under Jeb Bush. 469 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: They were incredibly close, was his mentor. He went on 470 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: to betray Jeb and stab him in the back by 471 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: running against him in that twenty sixteen Republican primary. So 472 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,239 Speaker 1: what I've learned about Marco is that his ambition is 473 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: greater than his principle. There is nothing he is not 474 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: willing to compromise on or do, and no level he's 475 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: not willing to stoop to in order to reach his ambition. 476 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 1: And I think he loves this. I think he loves 477 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: showing up at Mara Lago for the holidays, and I 478 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: think he loves having his own plane a secretary of 479 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: State and having Trump tell him what a great secretary 480 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: of State is. And I do think he has been 481 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: able to I think he's been able to amass a 482 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: lot of power under Trump. If you remember when the 483 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: administration began, Rick Grinnell, you know that nutcase was this 484 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: special envoy to Venezuela and was determining a Venezuela policy, 485 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: and Witkough was running around the world a special envoy 486 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: to this, and special envoy to that, and special envoy 487 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: to everything. All of a sudden, Marco became National Security 488 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: Advisor and Secretary of State and head of USAID, and 489 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: now he's Viceroyal of Venezuela. So he's wearing a lot 490 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: of hats. And it seems to me that he has 491 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: been able to learn Trump speak and how to whisper. 492 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: He's become the Trump whisper, so that Trump listens to him. 493 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,959 Speaker 1: Because I think the entire Venezuela operation was all Marco 494 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: Rubio telling Trump, you can get rid of Maduro. He's 495 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: gonna get scared very quickly. So start dropping a few 496 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: drones and a few bombs on these fishing boats, and 497 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: Maduro's going to shit his pants and next thing you know, 498 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: he's going to take his bags and his wife and 499 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: he's gonna, you know, be in Russia or Turkey or 500 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: name the country. Never expecting that it would take months 501 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: and months of drones and bombs and deaths and one 502 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: fourth to one third of the US Navy parked off 503 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: the coast of Venezuela. Billions of dollars. We still don't 504 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: know what the cost of this entire thing has been. 505 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: And I think Donald Trump was losing patience. But now 506 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: Venezuela and that operation is something that I think has 507 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: emboldened Trump and changed him. Don't you see a change 508 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: in Trump after extricating. 509 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 2: I don't know if I can say I see a 510 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: change in that sense. 511 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: Do you think he would have been threatening Greenland or Island, 512 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: picked the country or Norway? 513 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 2: But it's we also know Anna, right, And I've lived 514 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 2: through so many US interventions, right, and sadly history has 515 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 2: shown us that they don't end well. Right, So my question, 516 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: and I understand, I don't understand Osa. I've never had 517 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 2: to live through something like Ugo Chavez or Maduro. I 518 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 2: did see Ugo Chavez when he spoke here at the 519 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: United Nations and on ESTAMENTA. I was very unimpressed. I 520 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 2: mean again, I've seen world leaders and I was just like, 521 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 2: can you just give me a full sentence, just a 522 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 2: full sentence with a full thought. And he was In fact, 523 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 2: he reminds me of Donald Trump in that sense of 524 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 2: just getting up there and talking but not really yeah, 525 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 2: and just not saying anything except having this whole kind 526 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 2: of aura around him. I think what's going to happen 527 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 2: with Venezuela is that it's not going to that hope 528 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 2: Gitanto's Mannezolano's dinin. I think it's going to be very 529 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 2: short lived. You don't see. I mean, they took out 530 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 2: the head of the tick, right, they took out the head, 531 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 2: but the body is still there. It's still swarming around. Yes, 532 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 2: they have released political prisoners. This has been documented. 533 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: They have all them, not all of those. We're talking 534 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: hundreds of political prisidenters. 535 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 2: Thousands right probably, and the journalists who are still there 536 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 2: are still under threat. So I don't see this as 537 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 2: being the moment of liberation for Venezuela, and so it's 538 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 2: going to be, in my view, yet another letdown. I 539 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 2: just I don't unless Delsi agrees to open in free 540 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,959 Speaker 2: elections like now or in six months, which I don't 541 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 2: think she's going to do. 542 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: You're referring to Madula's vice. 543 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 2: President, Madudo's vice president who just slips in. How is 544 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 2: it possible that that Marco Rubio or Donald Trump are like, yes, sure, sure, sure, 545 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 2: you're the vice president of Maduro, and sure you can 546 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 2: just step in, like even in the case. 547 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: Because that's what I tell you, I think. I think 548 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: in theory, Marco Rubio thought and convinced Trump of this, 549 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: that Maduro and his circle would all flee the country 550 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: as has happened before, happened with Somosa in Nicarawa, happened 551 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: with Battista in Cuba, happened with Baby Doc and Hay, 552 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: happened with Asad in Syria. Him and his people are 553 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 1: living in the lap of luxury in in in Russia. 554 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 2: It's a misunderstanding, right of. 555 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: They never they never thought that that that Maduro would 556 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: would not leave and that they would have to go 557 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 1: and pluck him out and only be able to pluck 558 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: him out. 559 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 2: And and by the way, it's gonna you know, the 560 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 2: trial of Madudo is going to take place here in 561 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 2: New York. We're in Manhattan, Midtown, Manhattan. He's in Brooklyn. 562 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 2: His trial will be in Brooklyn Federal Court. And what's 563 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 2: gonna happen. You know, you have a lot of people 564 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 2: now who are aware of the politics of Venezuela. I've 565 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 2: been into enough of these trials that I don't think 566 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 2: it's gonna be a shoe in in terms of finding 567 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 2: him guilty or not guilty. We don't know. That worries 568 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 2: me and it could happen, and then what And then 569 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 2: the United States has even more shame and egg on 570 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 2: their face when a jury of New Yorker says you 571 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 2: were wrong, we'll bring you back. 572 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: To talk about that trial. So every week I like 573 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: to do something called Call to Courage, and it's something 574 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: it's a person or an event that has inspired me. 575 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: And this week I want us to talk about Jesse Jackson, 576 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: who passed away earlier this month. He battled cruel decease 577 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: similar to Parkinson's. But let's not think about Jesse Jackson 578 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: in the last few years. Even though even with the disease, 579 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: even battling that that horrible neurological progressive disease, he was 580 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: still an activist and fighting until his dying day. Jesse Jackson, 581 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things, and I don't a 582 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: with him on a bunch of things, particularly when it 583 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: came to foreign policy. He's far more progressive than I was. 584 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: But as I got older and learned more about him, 585 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 1: have met some of his children, have met people who 586 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: worked for him, who he inspired. One of my great 587 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: friends is Donna Brazil. One of my good friends is 588 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 1: Mignon Moore. He opened up so many avenues. He really 589 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, people talk about breaking glass ceilings and Jesse Jackson, 590 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: who was controversial, and there were controversial aspects about his 591 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 1: history that I don't think should be glossed over because 592 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that I think makes him unique. 593 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: He was not a perfect person, He was not a 594 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: perfect man. Controversy followed him throughout his life, but even 595 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: despite all of that controversy, he got shit done. I 596 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: think we throw around the term glass ceiling breaker a 597 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: little too loosely sometimes and pioneer a little too loosely. 598 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: He truly was, you know. I was talking to Donna 599 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: Brasil about him, and he opened the doors for a 600 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: lot of young black women who have gone to be 601 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: some of the most respected political operatives, people like Donna, 602 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: people like me yan More to have a place around 603 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:29,399 Speaker 1: the table, to have a place running campaigns, to have 604 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 1: an input on policy, not just tokens, but to really 605 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: be running things and be influential, and Jesse Jackson was 606 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: really the first to do that, and I think it 607 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: has changed our political landscape. He changed our history and 608 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: he changed the political landscape. He walked so Barack Obama 609 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: and Kamala Harris could run. And if we have a 610 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: call to courage of the week and a courageous person 611 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,800 Speaker 1: of the week, we also need to have a coward 612 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: of the week. And for me, this week's uh coward 613 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 1: of the week, it's actually he's not this week's coward. 614 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: He's a fucking coward every week since he's been in power. 615 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: Is the Ayatola of Iran Ayatola Homini. I hope I'm 616 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: pronouncing it right, and if I'm not, I don't care. 617 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: Because John McCain used to say about at Modinajad, I 618 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: refuse to learn how to pronounce this son of a 619 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: bitches name. But the Ayatola, who is older than dirt 620 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: at this point but is still holding on to power 621 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: in his grubby little hands. He's in power because basically 622 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: he is slaughtering his people. There have been estimates from 623 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 1: human rights organizations and doctors that range from somewhere anywhere 624 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: between five thousand people slaughtered by this regime to over 625 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: thirty thousand people. And the reason we don't have a 626 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: precise number and we don't know the count is because 627 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: there is an information shutdown. So people went out to 628 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: the streets protesting, didn't uprising, trying to get rid of 629 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: this regime, trying to ask for freedom and justice. I mean, 630 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: we forget because practically my entire lifetime, since the nineteen 631 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: seventies I was born in seventy one, my entire lifetime, 632 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: Iran has been this place ruled by the Iatolas. But 633 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: Iran used to be a world capital. It used to 634 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: be a burgeoning place, a place where there was equality, 635 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: and there was tourism, and there was fashion, and there 636 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: was freedom, and women drove and women wore mini skirts 637 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 1: and had normal lives. So yeah, I think he's a coward. 638 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: I think he's a piece of shit coward because in 639 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: order to stay in power, you've got a kill your people. 640 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,839 Speaker 1: You are no leader, You're just a cow. I want 641 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: to thank Maria I know Hoose again for being the 642 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: first guest La Memea on our show, and thank you 643 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: all for listening, and we'll see you next week. 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