WEBVTT - Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:20.320 Hello, Jason and I am dear Old Rosier. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:22.960 Tonight from the World. 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.200 Of Ancients and Dragons and welcome back to Answer vision 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.960 of the podcast where we dive deep to your favorite shows, movies, 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.440 comics of pop culture. Company from our podcast where we 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.440 are bringing you three action pack episodes a week plus news. 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:39.720 In today's episode, we're doing a little Airlock time capsule 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.559 mash up. We rewatched the very underrated Dungeons and Dragons 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.680 Honor among Thieves movie, very exceptionally charming movie with a 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:51.200 delightful cast, which, in case you missed it in theaters 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:56.720 as many people did, is now available on Netflix to stream. 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.080 So we're gonna be talking about that. We're gonna roll 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.880 for initiative. Was this movie successful and feeling like an 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.200 actual game of D and D. We will be tapping 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.920 in super producer and D and D DM Aaron, and 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.280 we got a little quick facts about the movie. We 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.720 got a delightful omnibus coming background on D and D. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.320 So basically, you guys asked us for D and D. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.720 We did the listener service and guess what we're D 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.240 and D delivering. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:30.520 Let's go, okay, let's talk about this movie. We open 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:37.280 D and d Hat with Edgin Darvas played by Chris 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.480 Pines parole hearing, he and we get and in this 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:46.280 parole hearing, which is wonderfully structured, we get the entire 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:53.840 download of how the rascal Edgin Darvis managed to end 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.480 up in this prison. He was once a Harper, which 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.720 is kind of like the Magic Cia, but like with Country. 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:02.720 All the time. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.480 Though when I was, I was like, you were just 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.880 an You were like a little informant, huh, okay. 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:08.520 A little bit. 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:09.160 So. 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:15.120 The Harpers are a secretive network of like very learned people, spies, scholars, 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.640 and folks who do good. They go across the land 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:23.640 fighting corruption and tyranny across Farren, which is like the 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.800 the main setting of Dungeons and Dragons the world, uh 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.480 and they and specifically a lot of this takes place 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.600 in an area called the Forgotten Realms. Edgin is a 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:35.560 good guy. He spied on a lot of people. As 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.800 Rosie mentioned, he informed on a lot of people. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.560 In the context of the movie, they were bad. Okay, 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:42.200 they were bad guys. 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.720 They were bad. He lived an honorable life, and he 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.040 had a beautiful wife and a wonderful baby daughter. And 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.840 he lived according to a very strict moral code. But 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:56.480 then he steals like a cursed thing from the Red 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.040 Wizards of Theay and he didn't understand that they could 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.200 track it wherever it went, and he brought it home 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:05.760 and that ended up with his wife getting murdered in retaliation. 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.720 He blames himself for this. He gets very very depressed, 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:14.000 and he ends up in a life of crime, which 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.640 is how he meets Holga played by Michelle Rodriguez, who 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:22.200 is our barbarian. She gets exiled from her tribe because 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.600 she falls in love with an outsider. She carries a 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.280 very heavy axe, and she knows a lot about axes. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:35.880 She is emotionally distant, and they immediately become fast friends. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.840 Crucially and one of the things I love about this movie, 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:46.760 not romantically, another film, another story in more hacky hands, 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:48.840 would have been like, we need a love We need 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.960 a love story between Holgan and Gano. They are just 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:57.760 very very good friends, patonically great friends. It's wonderful. So 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:04.920 Holga helps Edgin raised Kira, his daughter, and you know, 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.960 they go around robin Hood stuff they steal from the rich, 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.600 and they steal a lot and they're getting away with 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.800 it for the most part. Until they get involved with 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.200 the hest that goes wrong. Fairly simple job. It seems 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.240 like infiltrate a high security. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.560 Going to be that lost job the classic of course, 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.320 classic classic, I mean the last job. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.360 Infiltrate a high security magic vault to steal the tablet 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.960 of Reawakening, which is a magical item that can resurrect 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.080 the dead. And of course Edgin wants this to bring 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.560 his wife back so his daughter can have a mother 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:46.560 and his Their team includes Simon. 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.200 I love him, Justice Smith like. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:59.799 A magic guy, a magician with you know confidence, yes, 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:04.000 so Fina who is a red wizard who why did 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:08.200 they trust her? I don't know? And Forge Fitzwilliam played 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.880 by Hugh Grant, who is the charming rogue who you 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.520 know you should not try. I guess them as a 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:15.040 con man. 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.320 So it's like they knew what they were getting into. Yeah. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.359 Also is the bread rige. Was she in the crew 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.160 or was she the one who hired them to steal it? 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.360 Unclear? But it's not going well for them basically. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.599 So the high school sideways. So Fina turns on them, 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:38.480 reveals that she's an necromancer and very very evil. Forge 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:42.280 turns on them as well, and when Edgin hands him 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:47.080 the tablet, Forge says, I'll find a way to save 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.080 you all. I'll return and get you back. And he turns, 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.480 runs out of the trap and is fucking never seen. Nope, 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.279 he double crossed them. Just like that, Edgen and Holg 0:05:56.320 --> 0:06:00.720 are arrested, tried, sentenced to a number of year in 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:05.240 Revel's and the maximum security prison in the frozen Wastelands 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.800 that they are currently in having their parole hearing. And 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:09.560 that's it. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:11.800 We have to talk about the plan because this is 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.760 one of the funniest things about the movie is like 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.640 he keeps talking about this one guy, Jonathan. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:18.360 Jonathan, Jonathan. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.560 He knows Jonathan. Where is he? 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:22.559 He's supposed to be on the parole board. 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.680 I feel like Jonathan would really be vibing with my 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.240 sad origin story. Now I have to say, the funniest 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:32.479 thing is that Jonathan does turn up and they jump 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:36.240 out of a window using him to fly just as 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.080 the parole board says, we approved your parole. 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.480 They didn't need to do it. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.440 But Jonathan, he survived even though they used him like 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.880 a giant, you know, kite. And now they're back in 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:50.480 never Winter. What an opening. 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.400 I think the opening to this movie is like one 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:52.840 of the. 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:57.320 Best, wonderful, great does the you know, Jason, you know 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:01.800 this as storytellers, I always remember Karen Gillen years and 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.120 years ago on Twitter being like, never do. 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:05.840 The how did I get here? 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.800 Like rewind kind of you know, a media as opening. 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:11.960 But this is a great way to do that kind 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.920 of exposition without it feeling like tired or doing like 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:19.640 a rewind, like here's how I got here. It's so fun. 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.800 I love the Jonathan jokes. Chris Pines, It just absolutely 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.360 the delivery is so good. He's like, oh and then 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.960 my wife died and they're like, wow, that's so sad, 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:30.440 and he's like, you know, I would find it really sad. 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:31.880 Jonathan. Where's Jonathan? 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.160 Yeah, Like he is so good in this role, and 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.840 I just the whole cast is honestly fantastic. 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.440 So they escape, good for them, and Jonathan's still alive. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.520 So they end up back in never Winter and they 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:47.560 eventually discover you know what Forge has been up to 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:52.600 since he betrayed them. He is now running never Winter 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.600 as the Lord of never Winter. Is basically it's like 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.600 petty dictator, although everybody loves him for whatever reason, because 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.040 he's just he is a very charming guy. Yeah, and 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.480 in these years he has been raising Kira as his 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:11.400 own daughter, who he apparently has very strong feelings for, 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:16.680 like he loves her in his version of what love is. 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.960 For all his issues. One thing you cannot say. This 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.360 man looked after the door when Chris Pines was not there. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.080 I can't tell you her she was raised. But we 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.160 also learn that he has been lying to her and 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.280 claimed midtime that you know, they ran away because they 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.920 wanted riches, even though we know that it was for 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.200 the tablet to bring back her dead mum, which again 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.560 not a good idea. We've all lived that kind of 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:45.400 monkey's poor story many at times. But Borge is also 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:50.120 revealed to be in cahoots with the Red Wizards, and 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.960 Sophina just like lives with him. She's like his personal magician, 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:55.320 personal wizard. 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:59.000 Bodyguard, right hand person, although she, as will be revealed, 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:00.319 has her own plot. 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:01.600 Oh yeah, you grow. 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.679 So now it's very personal of course, between Edgin Forge 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.520 and Hulga. Edgan wants the tablet to bring his wife back, 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.760 he wants his daughter back, he wants his entire life back, 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.360 and so in order to do that and bring down Forge. 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:19.760 He needs to assemble a team capable of doing all 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.199 those things. So we get Simon. He's back the self 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:29.199 deprecating sorcerer with serious self esteem issues, serious imposter syndrome issues, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:34.680 and like a magical heirloom that he is scared that 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:36.600 he doesn't have the skill or power to use. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:38.520 We meet Doric. 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:39.760 Played by Sophia Lillis. 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:46.240 Wonderful costing you want to cost Jean Gray incredible, so excited. 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:47.320 It's not going to be. 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:49.160 Enough. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:50.920 But maybe she's young, Jean, I don't know. 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:51.320 Doric. 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.600 Yeah that it says that's kill a costing, And I 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.440 feel like, as somebody who is not well versed in 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.959 D and D, I've I've dipped my toes and I 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:00.680 have lots of friends who are I have a friend 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.600 who's helping me DM a game called Jewels. He's amazing. 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:09.880 But I felt like once Doric is introduced, I really 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.400 felt like we were in D and D. Now you 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:16.280 know the kind of transformation teefling really good stuff. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:21.240 So Doric is a teefling Druid. Teeflings are part human, 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.800 part infernal. They have horns, they have tails, they have 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:30.520 magical ancestry. And they can shape shift. Doric is also 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.559 a resistance fighter and she is working to protect the 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:38.440 forest and forest communities from the industrial sprawl in the region. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:43.800 She does not like humans, and they are various plans, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.760 but she decides to sign on. So the entire the 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.960 job that they take on is relatively straightforward. Break into 0:10:52.960 --> 0:11:00.480 the vault, get the tablet, escape, clear Edgan's name on 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.760 Edgin's side, get Kure back, and bring his wife back 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.480 to life. Okay, but this is D and D and 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:12.840 it just goes immensely sideways ways. So the first thing 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:16.480 they need is some sort of magical item in order 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.080 to bypass the vault. This turns out to be the 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.600 Helm of Disjunction. In order to get it, they go 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:28.520 to Holga's ex flame, ex husband Marlman Bradley Cooper, who 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.760 shows up for a really, really fun and sincere and 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.439 heartfelt five minutes of this movie. 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:39.720 Yeah, it's absolutely wild how every single diversion feels like 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.120 it is necessary to the emotional plot of the movie, 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.439 even though it absolutely is the kind of nonsense diversions 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.080 that you go on when your DM's like what do 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.400 you want to do and you're like, well, actually I 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.000 need to go back and talk to my lover who's 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.120 half my size, so I can't go on this shid like, okay, cool. 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.319 He leads them to a bunch of dead guys who 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.640 died in a battle who our friends need to talk 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.640 to to tell them where the helm ended up at 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.600 and that really fun talking to the dead guys. Sequence 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:17.760 leads them to leads them to Zenc Yendar played by 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:24.520 Reggae John Page of Bridgertren fame. He is a human paladin, 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:29.360 basically a holy warrior with uh divine stuff going on. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:30.680 Now. 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.200 Zenk is from Thay. He's one of these stadans, but 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.880 he's like a nice guy, an honorable guy, not an 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.880 evil Red Wizard. He does not lie, he does not 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:47.040 cross his morals or any kind of ethical lines. He 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:51.480 is like the most sincere good guy. Imagine that he's sick. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.560 He is a very good fighter, and he agrees to 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.640 help the team access the under Dark in order to 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:02.160 retrieve the helm because again, he's a right and he 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.680 believes in the honor of their quest. Meanwhile, Sofina, what's 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.000 her plan? What's the Red Wizard's plan? They they have 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.720 a much larger plan. So the Red Wizards are of 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.120 They are bad, they are necroanswers, they are sickos. They're 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:22.120 like if the sith ran an entire magical region, and 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.920 Forge is relatively simple. He wants money and power and 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:30.920 then really that's it. But Sofina is using Forge's political 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:37.000 ascendancy to unleash a Red Wizard plot. She wants to 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:42.480 cast this like death spell over a packed colisseum and 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:47.400 in never Winter and turn all the civilians there into 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:52.160 like a magical zombie army. And so the vaultice turns 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.160 into like a basically a save the world mission, from 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.720 like a very personal like found Family mission into like 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:02.920 something much more important. The final heist is classic D 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.960 and D. It is overplanned, none of the plans work, 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:11.160 and it's full of improvisation. So the plan is to 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.319 use the High Sun Games, which is like a gladiator 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:19.520 style festival hosted by Forge, to distract the masses as 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:24.680 cover for the heist. While the crowd is watching you know, 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:30.840 basically death games happening in front of their eyes, the 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:35.280 team will sneak into the vault using Simon's freshly met 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:39.520 mastered magic and the helmet of Disjunction, but Forges rigged 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.320 it he's aware that this might happen. He moved the treasure, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.680 and he set the vault as a trap, so instead 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.560 of breaking in, the crew walks into a magical prison 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:53.640 and it looks like game over until Edgin the barred pivots. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:59.280 They escape by exploiting a portal painting Simon created earlier, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.240 which they attach to a moving cart of fish and 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:07.120 it's a whole wonderful set piece. And as they are 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.840 doing this, they use it to the portal to transfer 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:14.360 Forger's stolen treasure directly into the colisseum. The crowd turns 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.840 on Forge. Forge loses the people and he decides to 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.840 flee with as much treasure as he can carry. He 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.640 makes for the docks. He snatches Kira. He's like loading 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.720 a boat with all the loot in the fucking gold. 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.560 But then Edgin and the crew get there and they 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.280 stemy him in humiliating fashion, and eventually he will end 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.000 up in the very same prison that Holga and Edgin 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:42.240 escape from. So Fina then makes her move. She reveals 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:46.280 herself as a necromancer. Zomba Fies begins to zombafi the 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.960 arena and hear what's so wonderful about the structure of 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.880 this movie, in the climax in particular, is like much 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.360 like what makes Marvel's The Avengers work is you have 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.880 a lot of characters here, but all their emotional arc 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.880 pretty much they all pay off. So Simon is like 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:09.840 now confident in his magic, he you know, locks into 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.320 his power and gets into a spell duel with a 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.200 red wizard where he holds his own. Doric is no 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.080 longer like turning into animals to run from the fight. 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:22.160 She's turning into like her full owl bear form in 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.840 order to get into the fight, and she like rag dolls. 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:30.360 Sofina at one pint Holga basically sacrifice a strong one, 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:34.160 sacrifices herself to protect Kira, takes a fatal wound and dies, 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:39.720 and Edgin basically for the first time in the course 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.360 of the movie. He had realized this earlier before he 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:46.160 lost his family, but now he's discovering it, realizes that 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:52.080 it's about this. It's about this found family is more 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.600 important than any personal goal that he has. So they 0:16:55.600 --> 0:17:02.760 defeat Sophina through trust and teamwork, and they're leveled up abilities. Uh, 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.919 the treasure falls, the curse breaks, our heroes win and 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:07.840 now Edge in his face with this terrible choice. What 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.280 to do with the tablet. He can bring his wife back, 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.000 which he's been planning to do this whole time, but 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.439 of course instead he brings Holga back and she's like, 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.159 why did you do this? But we know why he 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.280 did it because, like this found family is so important. 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.840 And also, let's be real, bringing back somebody who's been 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.800 dead for like five years, it's never gonna go well, 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:26.960 that basically gonna be a big goog. 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.320 Just just bringing her back. It's like alone, nap, It's 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:32.520 a slight hiccup. 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:34.000 She'd been dead ten minutes. 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.560 Fine, she hasn't started like blessing yet. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.840 So our heroes succeed. They get statues, Kira knows the truth, 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.160 she loves her dad, they have a relationship again. Zinc 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.960 Uh you know, wanders off into the into paletin legend 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:53.359 and our heroes walk off into the next campaign. A 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.679 wonderful movie. All in all, Forge ends up back in prison. 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.760 He tries to escape with a very similar scheme that 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.280 our friends used and let's just say it goes poorly. 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.160 That wonderful movie, let's talk about it, Rosie, your thoughts, 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:10.200 your feeling. 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:11.560 I mean, I love this movie. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.280 D and D Hat Hat D and D hat give 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:15.360 me the hat, I will wear it. 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:16.280 I love this movie. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.360 I think it's super charming, so many good fantastic creature effects, 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:25.440 practical effects, creature designs. Even as someone who doesn't play 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:26.960 a lot of D and D but wants to get 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.320 into it more, I've read a lot of module books, 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.080 and I've read a lot of like fan versions and 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.960 homebrews and Star Wars ttpg's and stuff. 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.720 So I just loved this movie. I could watch like 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.200 twenty of these films. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.040 It kind of reminds me how I felt when I 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.600 first watched the Toby maguire Spider Man movie in the 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.040 movie theater, and I literally turned around to my friends 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.119 and was like, I could watch a hundred of these. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.000 You could just make this every year with a new villain, 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:53.000 a new quest, and. 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:53.639 I would watch it. 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.840 And obviously I spoke that into existence, and now we 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.280 watch one Spider Man movie every year, and I'm blessed. 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.520 But in this case, I loved it. Fantastical world building, 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.040 incredible cast. I don't think there's a week link in 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.400 the movie. It doesn't have bad CGI. It's not even 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.120 a week two minutes a week. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:14.400 Like this is so watchable. 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.000 I've watched it since it came on Netflix, even before 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.240 the show, and yeah, I just I think it's a 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.600 brilliant movie. I'm really happy we're getting to talk about it. Also, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.439 one of my biggest takeaways though from watching it for 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.960 the pod this time, I had not played Diablo for 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.720 when this had come out originally, so I'm watching it 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:33.600 and I'm like, yeah, go for it, guys, you can 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.840 stop the evil Necromancer. But this time I was like, guys, 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.879 maybe maybe she needs to necromance those zombies, Like maybe 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:42.480 she needs. 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:43.000 Them to help her. 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.840 Because I am always a necromancer and Diablo. I've played 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.240 as different things, but I always go back to necromancer. 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.239 So I was definitely having some Sophina empathy where I 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:52.399 was like, oh, you know. 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:54.560 What, maybe she just really needs her zombies guys. 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.840 Like I've been there, I've turned people into zombies, like 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.199 I need an army of skeletons. I know. 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.360 It was very fun. I love it. 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:06.280 It's also fun like watching it again understanding more. For example, 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.679 there's a boulders Gate name drop in here, and just 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.600 some of the little Easter eggs that have transcended the 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:16.120 pop culture kind of realm that even I understand, which 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.080 is kind of I guess how other people feel watching. 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:21.520 MCU movies and getting one of the more obvious easter eggs, 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:22.760 because I'm always. 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.879 Like ten layers deep making it up in my head 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.439 that I think it relates to. But this was just 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:32.000 so much fun and yeah, I'm really excited to talk 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:35.240 more about it and to tap in super producer Aaron, 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.359 who will join us after this break where we will 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.960 roll Natural twenties and then to be doing vicious mockery 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:44.920 or something on our sponsors. 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.320 And we're back. We'd like to welcome now our super 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:06.520 producer Aaron to tell us how this movie is actually 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:10.560 structured like an actual run of D and D. 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.119 Yeah, and I think I loved your recap, Jason. I 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.520 think one of the things you said in there was 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:20.760 perfect for why this movie really does capture Dungeon and 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.720 Dragons experience like playing the game, because it is all 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.720 about overplanning and all of those plans going horribly wrong 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.480 and then you creatively figure out what to do next. 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:36.240 That the Dungeons and Dragons is cooperative storytelling with your 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.360 friends that you're sitting around the table with and then 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.520 you get to play some elaborate and exaggerated character, and 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:47.200 you as a group exhibit absolutely horrible problem solving throughout 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.520 the entire experience, and. 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:52.240 Every choice is like the wrong choice or like a 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:53.680 choice that's just a bit too late. 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:57.399 Yes, yes, and you sit there with your group of 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:00.760 friends talking through what the possible solution. One of my 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.960 favorite scenes in this is the bridge scene where they 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.760 have to get across the bridge. There's a very elaborate 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:09.840 set of steps you need to make. It's every fifth stone, 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:12.200 and then you go laterally until you meet the middle, 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.320 and then it's every third stone you go laterally the 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:18.240 other direction, And while he's giving this explanation, Simon just 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:21.040 absent mindedly puts his foot on the wrong stone. The 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.240 bridge collapses, and the party now has to figure out 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:28.120 how do they get across this chasm? Yeap, And this 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:30.800 is like a perfect example of something that will happen 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:33.520 in a D and D game where you are presented 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.880 with an obstacle. The DM dungeon master has probably come 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:38.720 up with a pretty easy way for you to figure 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:42.159 it out, and without knowing, your party just messes it 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:45.000 up someway and you have to figure out something new 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:49.080 and so In this scene where the party's trying to 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.760 figure out how to get across, Houlgas suggests tying a 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.560 rope to her axe and throwing it across the chasm 0:22:55.880 --> 0:23:01.880 to the floating platform and everyone climbing across her makeshift 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.919 hook shot. Basically, and this, this kind of solution to 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:09.199 me is the Bob Dylan or Boondock Saints poster that 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.960 every college male had on their wall and the late Oughts, 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:15.760 where like every D and D group at some point 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.800