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Speaker 1: Hello, Jason and I am dear Old Rosier.

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Speaker 2: Tonight from the World.

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Speaker 1: Of Ancients and Dragons and welcome back to Answer vision

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Speaker 1: of the podcast where we dive deep to your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 1: comics of pop culture. Company from our podcast where we

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Speaker 1: are bringing you three action pack episodes a week plus news.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we're doing a little Airlock time capsule

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Speaker 3: mash up. We rewatched the very underrated Dungeons and Dragons

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Speaker 3: Honor among Thieves movie, very exceptionally charming movie with a

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Speaker 3: delightful cast, which, in case you missed it in theaters

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Speaker 3: as many people did, is now available on Netflix to stream.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna be talking about that. We're gonna roll

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Speaker 3: for initiative. Was this movie successful and feeling like an

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Speaker 3: actual game of D and D. We will be tapping

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Speaker 3: in super producer and D and D DM Aaron, and

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Speaker 3: we got a little quick facts about the movie. We

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Speaker 3: got a delightful omnibus coming background on D and D.

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Speaker 2: So basically, you guys asked us for D and D.

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Speaker 3: We did the listener service and guess what we're D

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Speaker 1: Let's go, okay, let's talk about this movie. We open

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Speaker 1: D and d Hat with Edgin Darvas played by Chris

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Speaker 1: Pines parole hearing, he and we get and in this

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Speaker 1: parole hearing, which is wonderfully structured, we get the entire

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Speaker 1: download of how the rascal Edgin Darvis managed to end

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Speaker 1: up in this prison. He was once a Harper, which

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Speaker 1: is kind of like the Magic Cia, but like with Country.

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Speaker 2: All the time.

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Speaker 3: Though when I was, I was like, you were just

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Speaker 3: an You were like a little informant, huh, okay.

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Speaker 1: A little bit.

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Speaker 1: The Harpers are a secretive network of like very learned people, spies, scholars,

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Speaker 1: and folks who do good. They go across the land

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Speaker 1: fighting corruption and tyranny across Farren, which is like the

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Speaker 1: the main setting of Dungeons and Dragons the world, uh

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Speaker 2: In the context of the movie, they were bad. Okay,

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Speaker 1: They were bad. He lived an honorable life, and he

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Speaker 1: He blames himself for this. He gets very very depressed,

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Speaker 1: is how he meets Holga played by Michelle Rodriguez, who

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Speaker 1: is our barbarian. She gets exiled from her tribe because

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Speaker 1: she falls in love with an outsider. She carries a

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Speaker 1: She is emotionally distant, and they immediately become fast friends.

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Speaker 1: Crucially and one of the things I love about this movie,

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Speaker 1: A magic guy, a magician with you know confidence, yes,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan, Jonathan.

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Speaker 2: He knows Jonathan. Where is he?

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Speaker 1: He's supposed to be on the parole board.

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Speaker 2: They didn't need to do it.

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Speaker 3: But Jonathan, he survived even though they used him like

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Speaker 3: never Winter. What an opening.

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Speaker 2: I think the opening to this movie is like one

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Speaker 3: Best, wonderful, great does the you know, Jason, you know

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Speaker 3: this as storytellers, I always remember Karen Gillen years and

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Speaker 3: But this is a great way to do that kind

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Speaker 3: I love the Jonathan jokes. Chris Pines, It just absolutely

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Speaker 3: the delivery is so good. He's like, oh and then

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Speaker 2: Jonathan. Where's Jonathan?

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Speaker 1: So they end up back in never Winter and they

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Speaker 3: For all his issues. One thing you cannot say. This

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Speaker 3: not a good idea. We've all lived that kind of

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Speaker 1: So now it's very personal of course, between Edgin Forge

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Speaker 1: Played by Sophia Lillis.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful costing you want to cost Jean Gray incredible, so excited.

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Speaker 3: But I felt like once Doric is introduced, I really

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Speaker 1: So Doric is a teefling Druid. Teeflings are part human,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's absolutely wild how every single diversion feels like

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Speaker 1: Reggae John Page of Bridgertren fame. He is a human paladin,

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Speaker 4: to be fair, I think he actually may have missed

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Speaker 4: this session. But we were running a a like a

437
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Speaker 4: scene in a town, and I had a bunch of

438
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 4: goblins that were disguised magically as little kids. So there's

439
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 4: all these little kids running around the town and I

440
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 4: wanted they all looked very suspicious. They were all wearing red,

441
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 4: and I wanted our party to like investigate who these

442
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 4: little kids were. And one of the players rolled really poorly,

443
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 4: and he happened to be like investigating the kid that

444
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 4: was standing next to the well, and I was like,

445
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 4: you rolled a one that is like that's a natural failure,

446
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 4: critical failure. I have to punish you. And so his

447
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 4: punishment was that he went to investigate this child and

448
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 4: accidentally bumped into them and they fell down the well.

449
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 4: And it was just like that was not the plan

450
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 4: at all, but you did so poorly, something had to happen.

451
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 4: So there are so many great things where you're reacting

452
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 4: and you come up with all these plans, things don't

453
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: work out as a group, you figure out something new

454
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 4: and you move on, and so in that way it

455
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 4: does really the movie to me felt so much like

456
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 4: playing a game with your friends and everyone has these

457
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 4: like I said, exaggerated character traits, you know, like Simon

458
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 4: is so unsure of himself and Poulga is so like

459
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 4: cut and dry. Zenke is like Drax where he doesn't

460
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 4: understand any sort of sarcasm or anything.

461
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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

462
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Speaker 4: And then the other thing is like they use magic

463
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 4: really well in this and and it's very good representation

464
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 4: of playing it in the game in particular, like you

465
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 4: see little uses of spells, Rosie, like you're talking about

466
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 4: like these easter eggs that maybe you wouldn't notice, like

467
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 4: Sophina uses frost touch to chill Hugh Grant's tea where

468
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 4: she her finger becomes iced and she just sticks it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you're what I was going to say, Aaron,

470
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 3: another thing that I really that bring true to me

471
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: about this and I haven't. This is really just such

472
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: a silly thing. But it was one of those things

473
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: that you can't plan for where when our DM Jewles

474
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: was DM in this mini game with me and Nick

475
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: and Jewles was playing and dming, I had written that

476
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 3: my worst you know, your secret enemy, I had written

477
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 3: that his name was Larry, And then when we finally

478
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 3: got to play, Nick's character was called Larry completely coincidental,

479
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 3: and then we had to essentially like write in a

480
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: storyline about why I hated him and he was my nemesis,

481
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: and it was just because we both chose the same name.

482
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Speaker 3: So I do think that there's this kind of chaotic

483
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 3: collaborative nature of D and D that I really love,

484
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 3: because there is an aspect to it where you can

485
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 3: really never.

486
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Speaker 2: Know what people are going to do.

487
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Speaker 4: And speaking of names, whether or not they did this intentionally,

488
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 4: Jarnathan is the exact kind of name that people come

489
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 4: up with in the midst of the game when they're like, oh,

490
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: who's my character, It's JARNI. I don't know that's such

491
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 4: a name that someone would come up with in the

492
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Speaker 4: middle of.

493
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Speaker 1: The game trying to think of something.

494
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Speaker 4: And one other like really cool Easter egg with the

495
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Speaker 4: magic I thought was a lot of spells and dungeon

496
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Speaker 4: and dragons require concentration, so when you cast something, you

497
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 4: can only concentrate on one spell, and if your concentration

498
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 4: is broken, the spell ends. Not every spell requires this,

499
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: but a lot of the really powerful ones do, and

500
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Speaker 4: so for instance, Sophia in the beginning of the fight

501
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 4: at the end casts animate objects on I think it's

502
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 4: the statue in the fountain and that comes to life

503
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 4: and it's attacking everyone, and then Doric uses like a

504
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: thing of garlic or whatever and just slingshots it at

505
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: Sophia and it hits her. She loses concentration and the

506
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 4: animate object ends. So it's a nice like example of

507
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: how that works in game, where you don't have to

508
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 4: do something super damaging, but if you can just knock

509
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: them out of concentration, you can end their spell, which

510
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 4: is a really fun way of interacting in battle.

511
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jason, you have some You did some really good

512
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: fun facts with this, and I think a great one

513
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: of why we're even having this conversation is the fact that,

514
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Speaker 3: like the directors are like massive nuts.

515
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: That's true. More on that in fun facts, Aaron, thank

516
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. Let's go to quick

517
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: let's go to fun facts quip facting. Yeah, okay, first up,

518
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: fun facts. Box office for this movie Dungeons and Dragons

519
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: hat ninety three million domestic, one hundred and eleven international,

520
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: two hundred million worldwide. This is working off a budget

521
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: of a reported hundred and fifty millions. Are you're talking about,

522
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, three hundred something million? It was not a hit,

523
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: not a flop. But if you're wondering why we haven't

524
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: seen Dungeons and Dragon two, it's because it didn't make any.

525
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Speaker 3: It didn't make half a million dollars, which is what

526
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: they always want a movie to make. And yeah, as

527
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: we were kind of hinting at in the half a billion, yeah, yeah,

528
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: And so as we were talking about, the film is

529
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: co directed by Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daily, who

530
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Speaker 3: is sad and if I'm not mistaken, that is the same.

531
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Speaker 3: They're the same to people who wrote Spider Man Homecoming,

532
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Speaker 3: I believe when so like they are banger writers. I

533
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: think that that's a big part. They obviously love games

534
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 3: and gaming. Game Night held another hilarious movie, and I

535
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: would say like, yeah, this this film kind of has

536
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: that emc unice to it, but complimentary because I do

537
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: think when this first came out the trailer, people were like, Oh,

538
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: it's trying to be like the MCU, it's trying to

539
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 3: be quippy. But I actually think it's much more of

540
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: like a princess bride type situation.

541
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: I think that, Yeah, I think you're right. I think

542
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: they establish basically I think Goldstend and daily their voice

543
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: in Game Night, which is lots of heists, lots of action, comedy,

544
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: really fun story set pieces, and always a collection of

545
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: emotionally wounded weirdos. Chris Pine. In this movie, Chris Pine

546
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: took the role of Edg and the Bard because he

547
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: wanted to make a fantasy movie that his kids could watch.

548
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: And he's described the tone of this movie as quote,

549
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: Rosie's your point, the Princess Bride meets Monty Python meets

550
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones.

551
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I like it, And also aesthetically I understand

552
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: what he means. It's like, what if there was a

553
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: PG thirteen version of Game of Ferns that you could

554
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: watch with your kids, even though we all know kids

555
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: watch Game of Ferns.

556
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: That's right.

557
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 3: Oh, this was another one you pulled out that I

558
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: absolutely loved that I did not know, but obviously as

559
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: the number one little guy lover, I was impressed by

560
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: the fat dragon. I love the comically overweight dragon. I

561
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: love that he's just eaten it up having a good time.

562
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: And his name in the law is Thember Child. What

563
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: a name, Okay, And he's a real monster in D

564
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: and D Law, known for guarding the dwarf and City

565
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: of Gratsluff and for being well, large and unmotivated, reliable.

566
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: He's basically like the Garfield of the Dungeons and Dragon universe,

567
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: which you know I'm always supporting.

568
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: This is a film in Hugh Grant's villain era, maybe

569
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: his best errors. He would describe it his freak show era.

570
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: In the last decade, Hugh Grant has pivoted from his

571
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: early kind of rom com sweetheart roles to a bunch

572
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: of roles in which he is a scene stealing scoundrel.

573
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: He's played a fraudster in Paddington II, he has played

574
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: a sleazy pi and the gentleman, a sociopathic husband in

575
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: The Undoing I love that, and now the double crossing

576
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: con man and jungeones and dragons. Quote. This is what

577
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: I get offered these days, Hugh Grant said during the

578
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: press run for Willie Walker. Quote, I'm in the freak

579
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: show phase of my career. I do baddies, psychopaths, weirdos,

580
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: perverts and now believe we hope it continues.

581
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: Never media trained this man. You cannot media train this fan.

582
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: He never allow And it's very interesting because obviously also

583
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: most recently he took that to a new level with Heretic,

584
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: where he was kind of, you know, the true true

585
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: villain rather than these.

586
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 2: Kind of like odd maybe you root for them villains.

587
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: I think this is one of his best villain era

588
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: performances because he plays the con man so well. Speaking

589
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: of people playing parts well, Reggae John Page in this

590
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: What Happened.

591
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: He's playing lawful good. He should have been a hero

592
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: after Bridgeton made him a global star.

593
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: He left the show after season one, which is why

594
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 3: we have never seen him again. Very sad because it

595
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 3: probably would have just been a cameo. But also I

596
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: understand that breaking through in a show like that, you

597
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 3: might worry about getting pigeonholed. So he left the show

598
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: aiming for leading man status. But Jason, let's talk about it,

599
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 3: because he was in the gray man flop from the

600
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: Russo Brothers. Dungeons and Dragons wonderful but did not get

601
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: him to kill me to break yeah, and Dungeons and

602
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: Dragons like it did not.

603
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: Break him out. He's not a main character.

604
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: He is kind of your perfect straight man, this kind

605
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: of dead pan hilarity and as we kind of we

606
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 3: talked about this in prepro but the buzz on Regge

607
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: has noticeably called He's still circling major projects like the

608
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: Saint reboot interesting and Butch Cassidy series of Dot's Very

609
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: Interesting is going nowhere right now.

610
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: But also I just.

611
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: Think my theory that I have that I've talked to

612
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: many people about, and I mentioned it in the discord,

613
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: I think at one point I'm pretty sure he was

614
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: announced as being like a potential cast member and an

615
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: MCU thing, but they didn't.

616
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 2: Say who, and then that was kind of pulled.

617
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 3: I think that they should have cost him as read Richards,

618
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: though we got Pedro Pascals.

619
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Speaker 2: I'm feeling happy about that.

620
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 3: But I also do think that for a time they

621
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 3: were probably considering him for the Casper Cole version of

622
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 3: Black Panther, who's like a cop, an African American cop,

623
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: and he took over the mantle for a little while.

624
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: Was not particularly beloved, So I think it makes sense

625
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: that they didn't go in that direction.

626
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: But this movie reminds you reggae. He could be a

627
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: movie star.

628
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: He could have been he could have been a star,

629
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: He could have been somebody we got a note of, sir.

630
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: All you had to do was.

631
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 3: Just show up once every season in Bridgeton and keep

632
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: that money going, keep your face on those posters in

633
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: that Netflix smart.

634
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 2: Category that everybody loves so much. But you know what,

635
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: good for him?

636
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: I feel like he every time I watch him in

637
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: something great like Dungeons and Dragons, I'll be all the

638
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 3: first season of Ridgeton. I'm like, sir, you can do this.

639
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: You got a You know, he probably could have been

640
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 3: in Gladia It too. I think he has that kind

641
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: of juice.

642
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: Instead, he was in the Great Man flop Dungeons and

643
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: Dragon's Hat. Good movie, but a cameo and a and

644
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: a ad for Audi cars.

645
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: Oh my god, get together? Who is your agent? Get

646
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: a new agent? So you're very fantastical. You can do it.

647
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: Oh listen if you want to hear some Hollywood scuttle

648
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: but rumors. I apparently like his team was in turmoil

649
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: about this decision to lead Bridgerton, and there was It

650
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: was not like a unified team decision. Like one part

651
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: was like, don't do it, another part was like do

652
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: it and we see the results next up. The magic

653
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Speaker 1: and the effects in Dungeons and Dragons hat mostly practical.

654
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Speaker 1: Over eighty creatures were built with practical effects by Legacy Effects,

655
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Speaker 1: the same team behind The Mandalorian and Iron Man and

656
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: other films including The Tobacxi. The Cat People were practical

657
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 1: actual costume Jonathan actual costume, the Dragon Guard animatronic head.

658
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: We love practical effects, as you know here at Extra Vision.

659
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: So this is all. I think.

660
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: You can see it in every single shot where there

661
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 3: is some brilliant creature work. I just think it's such

662
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: a high point of this movie, and I think it

663
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: will continue to be a part of why this film

664
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Speaker 3: is gaining that cult kind of following. It's interesting because

665
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 3: we've talked about this a lot on the podcast. But

666
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: you know, in the olden days, when me and Jason

667
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: were young, you could make a movie like Scott Pilgrim

668
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Speaker 3: that did not hit at all on in the theaters.

669
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Speaker 3: It did not make the money back, but it made

670
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Speaker 3: a ton of money on home video. Now, of course,

671
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Speaker 3: the streaming version of that is you put it on

672
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: Netflix and it gets a certain amount of views, but

673
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 3: that does not necessarily give the creators or cost any

674
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Speaker 3: extra money.

675
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Speaker 2: It's not the same as DVD.

676
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: Sales and home video sales, which you know Matt Damon

677
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 3: and Ben Affleck have kind of spoken quite extensively about

678
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: being the reason they were able to make a living

679
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: in Hollywood because their movies would do really great on

680
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Speaker 3: home video. I hope that the popularity of this on

681
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Speaker 3: Netflix and the conversation it is garnering means we will

682
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: get more D and D storytelling, and that is our

683
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: final fun fact is as of now, there's no official sequel,

684
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Speaker 3: though there was talk of a TV spin off.

685
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Speaker 2: But Chris Pine is he the best Chris. I don't know.

686
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Speaker 2: We got a lot of Chriss, but he's doing. He's up.

687
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: He's one of our great chris Is.

688
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Speaker 3: And he was in an interview with games Radar he

689
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: was basically like, I don't know anything, but I feel

690
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: pretty confident that it may happen, and asked if he

691
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 3: would be happy to return. He replied absolutely, because he's

692
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: smart and he can know a good thing when he

693
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Speaker 3: sees it.

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Speaker 1: Next up the Omnibus, and now the Omnibus where Laura

695
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: and Understanding come together. Let's talk about dungeons and Dragons

696
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: as a as a piece of culture, and I'm talking

697
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: about the original dungeon Dragons. The Blueprins change, whether you

698
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: know it or not, the kind of ore text for

699
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: many video games, many styles of story. It's many comic books,

700
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: any kind of tale that begins with you enter a tavern,

701
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: what do you do? Owes itself to D and D

702
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: is a game, but it is also, you know, an

703
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: incredible cultural institution and also a generator of both joy

704
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: and also significant panic in the culture. Let's talk about

705
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Speaker 1: the origins. Game was born in the early nineteen seventies

706
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin and was created by the legendary Gary Geax,

707
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: who was doing like the nerdiest pre computer thing that

708
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: you could do, which is designing a designing tabletop war

709
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: games in his basement. He meets a guy named Dave Arnison,

710
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: another gamer from me Minnesota, and together they create this thing.

711
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: What if instead of commanding armies as table tabletop games

712
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: were doing at the time, stuff like that. Yes, players

713
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: controlled a single character in a fantasy world, collaborating with

714
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Speaker 1: other characters on quests, and that idea individual character, characters,

715
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: collaborative storytelling, party based adventures was a big bang for

716
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: so many other things. In nineteen seventy four, they released

717
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Speaker 1: the first edition of Dungeons and Dragons, three little rule

718
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: books in a white box. It cost ten bucks you know,

719
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: it had very low production value, like it looked it's

720
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Speaker 1: like giving.

721
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Speaker 3: Nothing teenage may Ninja thous issue one where it was

722
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Speaker 3: just like something. It looks like the home made it

723
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Speaker 3: and then sent like five hundred compets at the comic shops.

724
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's giving like small town accountant spreadsheet vibes. But

725
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Speaker 1: it was the beginning of a genre, and it quickly

726
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: spread like wildfire through hobbyist circles, through college dorms, high

727
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: school kids. And this was a time when you know,

728
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 1: fantasy fiction was starting to find its second era legs.

729
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: You know, Tolkien and others had started the movement some

730
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: forty years earlier now at this point. But because of

731
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 1: the Lord of the Rings paperbacks, because of the Lord

732
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: of the Rings animated very weird animated movie, because of

733
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Speaker 1: other cultural references like led Zeppelin dropping multiple Lord of

734
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: the Rings references in multiple songs, all of a sudden,

735
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: you have this generation of post hippie era kids who

736
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 1: are smoking weed.

737
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: They in that mom's bayfield. That's what you need.

738
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't feel like they fit into the kind

739
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: of like jock business suit hierarchy. They're weirder and they're

740
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: looking for something much weirder, but also that brings a

741
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: community together, and then you have the explosion of D

742
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: and D through the seventies and eighties, new campaigns, new rules.

743
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Speaker 1: Kids are creating entire worlds and binders drawing maps in

744
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: math class. If you watch a Strange Stranger Things, then

745
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: you've gotten a whiff of this.

746
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: No, so you Stranger Things is so deeply, deeply inspired

747
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 3: by dungeons and dragons.

748
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Speaker 1: So you know, this little kind of lark that Geegax

749
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: and Anderson started begins to make millions and millions of dollars.

750
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: And that is where the fear sets in. We go

751
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: to the eighties, it's Reagan's America, meaning very conservative, very moralistic.

752
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: We're worried about outsider threats, including the devil Satan.

753
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: Maybe it's there, and it's stage.

754
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: It absolutely sucks, destroys America for a long time.

755
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: Across the country, this wave of moral panics starts to

756
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: set in, and the fear is basically, okay, what if

757
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: Satan is reaching our kids through culture through heavy metal music,

758
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: through rock music, dungeons, through.

759
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: Dungeons and dragon called dungeons.

760
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: It's obviously ebol that prisoners should be in there, so.

761
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: Wild claims begin to circulate that D and D was

762
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: tied to suicide, that it was tied to mental illness,

763
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: that it was a gateway to devil worship, and this

764
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: panic kind of crested with a real life tragedy. James

765
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: Dallas Egbert, who is a college student, disappeared in nineteen

766
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: seventy nine. The rumors that circulated said he's got lost

767
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: in the university's steam tunnels because he was involved in

768
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: a D and D like LARPing event, when in reality,

769
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: he was like a kid who was struggling with depression

770
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: and D and D had nothing to do with it.

771
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: But the stories about his death kind of stuck. Then

772
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: came Mazes and Months made for TV movie starring Yeah

773
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: Young Tom Hanks, where D and D style gaming literally

774
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: drives one of the characters insane. In the real world,

775
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: groups like badd bothered about Dungeons and Dragons sprang up

776
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: to fight what they saw as like satanic indoctrination for

777
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: the youth, with various activists making wild claims, including that

778
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: like spells, these spells in the game were real and

779
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: that could like actually turn your kid. Your kid could

780
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: be unleashing actual email like satanic yea through the magic.

781
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: It just absolutely bizarre stuff, but it was enough for

782
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: sixty minutes ye to do an episode on it like

783
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: this was this was a real moment in American history.

784
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: The publishers like incredibly sad because, as you said, it

785
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: started as a place where people could be outsiders, but

786
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: then that outsider community was othered in this space. And

787
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 3: this led not only obviously to like you were saying,

788
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: the kind of story that came out when James Dallas

789
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 3: Eggbert died, but also this idea of D and D

790
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: and Satanic panic, and it was a key part in

791
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: the West Memphis three being arrested and then imprisoned wrongly

792
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: for you know.

793
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: Two decades, Watch Paradise Lost.

794
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: Those are great documentaries, and also the later documentary that

795
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: was made by none other than Peter Jackson. And I

796
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: think often about how sad it is that and this

797
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: is something the last season of Stranger Things I think

798
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: did get right was how sad it is that this

799
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 3: can be such a powerful, incredible space for people, but

800
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: then from the outside it just ends up making them

801
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 3: like more marginalized or seen as a threat.

802
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: And it's really sad because it's just storytelling.

803
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 3: You know, but the Satanic Panic movement was was really

804
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: real and really dangerous.

805
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: To be to be fair to these freaks who were

806
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: worried about the Satanic Panic. You know, rock bands and

807
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: metal bands of the era were playing with that fristen

808
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: of danger, using satanic imagery, using satanic uh wording and

809
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: references in their lyrics where they actually Satanists. No, nonetheless,

810
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 1: you know, we're not talking about the the Nordic death

811
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: metal mounded people like, right, right, yeah, we're not talking

812
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: about that. So, you know, these people who are worried

813
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: about this so called Satanic panic, we're seeing things that

814
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: they believed were truly.

815
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: Even being pushed by that pushed that that idea was

816
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: pushed onto them by the media as well.

817
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: That they were sincerely they were sincerely deluded.

818
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: You know.

819
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: Now the publishers at TSR were forced to do damage control.

820
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: Now they removed references to demons, they were references to devils.

821
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: They toned down some of the artwork, renamed monsters. Tried

822
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: to weather the storm, and they did. D and D

823
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: of course survived. The panic eventually burned itself out. Studies

824
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: various studies debunked the claims the movement itself just kind

825
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: of petered out because it once the hearings started, Once

826
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: congressional hearings on music and culture and the influence of

827
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: the Devil actually started in front of people that people

828
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: could watch on TV, it became manifestly ridiculous. And a

829
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Speaker 1: lot of the kids who played D and D are

830
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: now the kids who are moving culture, running culture, and

831
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: D and D went mainstream. Fast forward to now, Dungeons

832
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: and Dragons is just like in a whole different thing.

833
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: It's an institution now, celebrities play it, actors film campaigns

834
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: for Twitter and YouTube. There are podcasts, the various hit

835
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: podcasts that have people playing D and D on it, cartoons,

836
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Speaker 1: merchandise conventions.

837
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: Currently Etway Dungeons and Dragon show twenty sided Tavern that

838
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 3: I believe is an official Dungeons and Dragons show that

839
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: they bring people in to do different campaigns. Now it's

840
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: part of the cultural lexicon in a way that I

841
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: think no one could have perceived when it was created.

842
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: That's right, and D and D has in fact become

843
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: integral to the way we tell stories and we perceive stories,

844
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: video games, novels, movies, even the way we think about

845
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: like teamwork and assembling teams and making progress and leveling

846
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: up characters. It all bears the stamp of Dungeons and Dragons,

847
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: and the cultural legacy is enormous. The level up mechanic

848
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: that's baked into any number of things, video games, movies,

849
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: et cetera. In fitness apps comes from D and D.

850
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: The idea of a campaign, a shared, serialized, collaborative narrative

851
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: that unfolds organically over.

852
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 2: Time, came from DNA D.

853
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: The iconic polyhedral dice set from the from the earliest

854
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: humble D four to the mighty D twenty. It didn't

855
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: just shape tabletop gaming. It rewired how video games are structured,

856
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: how video games structure, chance stats, criticals, character builds. All

857
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: that stuff comes from d D. Why does your elden

858
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: Ring characters damage range have a ceiling and a floor.

859
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: Why do you sometimes miss an attack that you have

860
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: an eighty seven percent chance to hit because your character

861
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: has high accuracy? Thank or blame Dungeons and Dragons for this.

862
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: When early computer games like Ultimar Balder's Gates started adapting

863
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: tabletop mechanics, they brought that dice logic with them. Hit points,

864
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: armor classes, defensive stats, offensive stats, et cetera, and all

865
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: of that has stuck around today. Whether you're specking out

866
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: a character in like Elon Musk Path of Exile, or.

867
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Speaker 2: Or hoping.

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Speaker 1: Or hoping your your critical attack lands in Final Fantasy,

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Speaker 1: you're basically just doing the virtual version of rolling the

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Speaker 1: dice in Dungeons and Dragons. Even the way we relate

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Speaker 1: to fiction has changed. D and D trained an entire

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Speaker 1: generation to collaborate on stories, to improvise within cis josure.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it. I don't think it's an accident

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Speaker 1: that a lot of the ascendancy, this, this post eighties

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Speaker 1: and nineties ascendancy of Dungeons and Dragons involves people who

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Speaker 1: are involved in improv theater and improvisational comedy. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: the game has been through it, and it's come through.

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Speaker 1: It was banned, but now it's here. It's part of

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Speaker 1: a cultural institution, which I think is a hopeful thing.

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Speaker 1: Look at it, look at look at Dungeons and Dragons.

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Speaker 1: It can be attacked, it could be misunderstood, it can

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Speaker 1: be almost banned, and it can still be a major

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Speaker 1: pillar of our of our culture. We've we did Andrews

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Speaker 1: of Dragons here to stay, to.

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Speaker 3: Stay, Baby, you can't get rid of it because all

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Speaker 3: you need is a friend and a basement and an imagination.

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Speaker 3: It's incredibly accessible and that's why it's still here.

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Speaker 1: In the next few episodes of X ray Vision, we're

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Speaker 1: diving into Daredevil Born Again episode seven, and then Friday

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Speaker 1: our reactions to everything that happens in Nintendo Durren that's

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Speaker 1: in for this episode. Next You're listening. X ray Vision

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Speaker 1: is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight and is

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wax.

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Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and Heidi.

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Speaker 2: Our disc called moderate, though