Speaker 1: Welcome to Playback a Variety podcast. On today's show, we're
Speaker 1: talking about varieties ten actors to watch who will be
Speaker 1: honored at the Hampton's International Film Festival this weekend, as
Speaker 1: well as this week's big controversial release, The Birth of
Speaker 1: a Nation. A little bit later, I'll be talking to
Speaker 1: Bleed for this and Sully star Aaron Eckhart. So stick around, Okay, everyone,
Speaker 1: I'm here with Janelle Riley again, and beginning today is
Speaker 1: the Hampton's International Film Festival. Yes, well you're listening to this.
Speaker 1: I will be on a plane. You'll be on a plane.
Speaker 1: We'll get there safely, heavily drugged, I'm sure. But we
Speaker 1: talked about that on the podcast that I can't fly
Speaker 1: flying thing because I think that I don't have a
Speaker 1: fear of flying. I have a fear of crashing. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I always say people. People say. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not scared of heights, I'm scared of falling from
Speaker 1: a great height. I also have a little bit of claustrophobia,
Speaker 1: so being in a metal tube is not easy on me.
Speaker 1: It's but it's a wonderful airline, I believe, and I
Speaker 1: will probably finally have time to watch Love and Friendship.
Speaker 1: Oh good, yeah, delightful, little charmer. Well you'll be there.
Speaker 1: You're you're going to be doing a Q, Q and
Speaker 1: A with Aaron att Cart and varieties. Creative impact Oh shoot,
Speaker 1: I'm going to mess us creative impact in acting. Yes,
Speaker 1: and obviously Aaron isn't bleed for this and Sully this year.
Speaker 1: I'll be talking to Aaron later on in the podcast. Actually,
Speaker 1: so there you go. There're synergy for you, perfect um.
Speaker 1: But regarding Hampton's variety, will be unveiling our ten actors
Speaker 1: to watch for this year there, yes, um, I mean
Speaker 1: we've already announced it, but they're featured in this week's
Speaker 1: issue and wondering not unveiling them. And at least five
Speaker 1: of them will be in attendance for A Q and A.
Speaker 1: I'll be doing with them on Saturday afternoon. So yes,
Speaker 1: Friday I spend with Mr Aaron Eckhard. Saturday will be
Speaker 1: with our amazing actors to watch. Uh. Super of these? Well,
Speaker 1: there's rizam Ed who I think we both were huge
Speaker 1: fans of A Nightcrawler and we had actually selected him
Speaker 1: for this list I think before Night Of premiered. And
Speaker 1: so now everyone kind of knows the name a little better.
Speaker 1: But he's also in Jason Borne, He's in obviously Rogue
Speaker 1: one coming out. It's going to be huge. Um an actor,
Speaker 1: I think I have talked a lot about and I
Speaker 1: know my friends are sick to death of hearing his name.
Speaker 1: Herschel Ali um so amazing in Moonlight. Um. I think
Speaker 1: he should be a slam dunk Oscar nominee. Does he?
Speaker 1: I keep wondering because he thought he was. But the
Speaker 1: problem is there's the whole cast is fantastic and they're
Speaker 1: all in supporting and so it's it's really hard for
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and he's like one of the
Speaker 1: three segments he's well, I don't think any male actor
Speaker 1: is in more than one segment. Naomi's the one who's
Speaker 1: in the whole thing, which gives her an edge. Uh.
Speaker 1: And one thing that works from me Herschela in that
Speaker 1: movie is he when he's gone, you miss him, keep
Speaker 1: wanting him to come back to keep thinking like maybe
Speaker 1: they'll flashback or something. But he's having a hell of
Speaker 1: a year. He's in Luke Cage right now. He's the
Speaker 1: villain in that. He has this indie film called Kicks
Speaker 1: coming out and he is Taraji p Henson's love interest
Speaker 1: in Hidden Figures, which is interesting because he made his
Speaker 1: film debut as her love interest in Benjamin Button making
Speaker 1: out with Taragi on film. I guess he is so fantastic.
Speaker 1: He was also in Free State of Jones earlier this year,
Speaker 1: and I thought he was really good in that and
Speaker 1: embarrassingly and I have apologized to him repeatedly. I'm not
Speaker 1: a regular House of Cards viewer. But right after we
Speaker 1: announced this list, he received an Emmy nomination for his
Speaker 1: work on House of Cards in the guest category. He
Speaker 1: was unable to attend the Emmy uh ceremony they do
Speaker 1: it the week before the televised because he was in
Speaker 1: Toronto with Moonlight. But he didn't win anyway, So what
Speaker 1: does it matter? Lucas Hedges, Lucas Hedges, So is he
Speaker 1: a nominate? Do you think? I think he's a strong
Speaker 1: contended a lot of people. He's It's a great character.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of that character is Kenneth Lannigan,
Speaker 1: just like just you can tell in the writing of
Speaker 1: how he's constructed the character and how the character interacts
Speaker 1: with people, that's Kenny. Because he's just dour and just
Speaker 1: he's got this thing, but Lucas nails it, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of a hard disposition to really nail. And he's
Speaker 1: great sparring with Casey in the movie, and there's emotional
Speaker 1: moments to come for the character that are really unexpected,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I think he's going to be a real
Speaker 1: strong player. He has one scene in particular where he
Speaker 1: I don't think it's given anything away to just say
Speaker 1: he's like kind of having a panic attack, and it
Speaker 1: is fantastic. It like it is so realistic. And that
Speaker 1: was kind of the movement. Because I was so into
Speaker 1: the movie. I didn't think about it at the time,
Speaker 1: but looking back, I was like, that was really fantastic,
Speaker 1: which too is how Casey's handling him in that scene,
Speaker 1: because Casey's playing a completely different thing. They're like the
Speaker 1: kids having his panetic attack, but Casey is in like,
Speaker 1: oh crap, I don't know how to handle this territory,
Speaker 1: and he's just as someone who has had panic attacks
Speaker 1: and been around people with pan attacks, I've seen both
Speaker 1: sides and they nail it. And um, speaking of getting
Speaker 1: on planes, I've witnessed panic attacks on planes. Moonrise, Kingdom
Speaker 1: is I think that was my favorite Wes Anderson movie
Speaker 1: when it came in that I forgot is Lucas in
Speaker 1: that too. Ye, Lucas has a small part. I brought
Speaker 1: it up regarding Kara Haywards. Yes, carries on our list here,
Speaker 1: but I didn't realize Lucas was. I think Lucas has
Speaker 1: a small part in it because when I was sort
Speaker 1: of researching him. But yes, Kara Hayward was obviously the
Speaker 1: lead in moon Rise Kingdom she is has a small
Speaker 1: part in Patterson this year, but really um is very
Speaker 1: good in another small part in Manchester by the Sea.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of great performance as a Manchester by
Speaker 1: the Sea. He knows how to put together actors. John
Speaker 1: Legend has a small role in La La Lad. It
Speaker 1: is a small role, but it's actually the third biggest
Speaker 1: role because that movie is so much Ryan Gosling and
Speaker 1: Emma Stone that even though John Legends role as small,
Speaker 1: if you actually look at the breakdown of the cast,
Speaker 1: John Legend is kind of the third league. And we
Speaker 1: were just talking right before we started recording. He does
Speaker 1: a lot with his his limited time. Yeah, he's just
Speaker 1: very charming and charismatic and I don't want to give
Speaker 1: anything away because I know most people haven't seen the movie,
Speaker 1: but he has one scene in particular that I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not easy to hold your own in
Speaker 1: your film debut. Opposite Ryan Goss all the nar and reck,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be hearing plenty of Obviously I don't apply,
Speaker 1: and that was a no brainer from Hail Caesar. We
Speaker 1: saw Hail Caesar, and he was like, this guy has
Speaker 1: to go on the list. And then he became the
Speaker 1: new Hans solo and has the Warren Baby movie coming out.
Speaker 1: Was he end like a year or two ago? He listen.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is what you're thinking of,
Speaker 1: but Beautiful Creatures. Actually I saw it on a play. Um,
Speaker 1: so maybe I was heavily drug but I actually really
Speaker 1: like that movie. I haven't seen it, but I remembered
Speaker 1: hearing a lot of good things about him in it. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: he's really good. The lead girl, sorry woman, is really
Speaker 1: good and Emma Thompson is very funny. Like like, I'm
Speaker 1: that's a movie. I'm a little bummed because I think
Speaker 1: there were maybe plans for sequels and it just didn't
Speaker 1: do that well. And I'm going to read a couple
Speaker 1: of these last Ones, Tavy Givinson, Yes, from on stage
Speaker 1: in the Crucible. I saw her in the Crucible. She
Speaker 1: was fantastic. And we have Anna d Armis, Yes, Hands
Speaker 1: a Stone and war Dogs, Yes, Will and Blade Runner,
Speaker 1: Rachel Brasnahan Yes, Agnom, House of Cards, Patriots Day later
Speaker 1: this year, Yes, which I'm you know, have have really
Speaker 1: hopeful expectations far. We talked about it last week. We
Speaker 1: we like Peter Berg. Indeed, I'm saying again, Peter, please
Speaker 1: do my podcast a Janeomie King for she's in How
Speaker 1: to Get Away with Murder on TV, and she's also
Speaker 1: in Birth of a Nation, which is coming out this week. Finally,
Speaker 1: after everything, I'm so curious to see how it does.
Speaker 1: Did you see Nate Parker's sixty minutes interview? I did.
Speaker 1: It's it's I mean, I have so many emotions and
Speaker 1: feelings about the subject at Birth of an Asian a
Speaker 1: movie both of us really liked. I think neither one
Speaker 1: of us was expecting to like as much as we did.
Speaker 1: Um and I. It is painful to watch Nate Parker's
Speaker 1: self destruct. He seems to be doing everything wrong. He
Speaker 1: isn't the way he's answering questions that. I guess they
Speaker 1: did this interview initially in June and had to come
Speaker 1: back to all how they cut it together too, because
Speaker 1: they tried to act like it was one interview, but
Speaker 1: he clearly, you know, he had a mustache in the
Speaker 1: recent one. He looked about thirty years older. Acted differently too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was so happy in the June stuff, and then
Speaker 1: the obviously the more. It's strange to me that sixty
Speaker 1: minutes of all people missed that. Yeah, I mean, did
Speaker 1: they miss it or do they choose not to bring
Speaker 1: it up in June? I can't imagine they weren't. Would
Speaker 1: they would not have It's I mean, I don't know. Look,
Speaker 1: news media today has entertainment, so it's like even a
Speaker 1: beacon like sixty minutes can do something stupid like that.
Speaker 1: But I think they might have just not seen it.
Speaker 1: They saw this great story of a black filmmaker telling
Speaker 1: a black story and how well it did and sun
Speaker 1: Dance and all of that, and to be a much
Speaker 1: different story. That was the narrative people were going with
Speaker 1: for a long time until gosh, about a month ago.
Speaker 1: And now we're just left with seeing how the public
Speaker 1: is going to respond, if at all to this movie.
Speaker 1: I weirdly, I don't know about you, but I never
Speaker 1: wavered in believing that it would still be a factor
Speaker 1: in the Oscar Race because it is such a good
Speaker 1: movie and um, the power of the film itself and
Speaker 1: with you know, so many Best Picture nominations between five
Speaker 1: and ten, I figured it would get in. Now I
Speaker 1: really don't know. Yeah, I mean, it depends on how
Speaker 1: radioactive something like that becomes. I mean I have said
Speaker 1: it here before. I've had conversations with voter who really
Speaker 1: just aren't looking deeply into that. They kind of want
Speaker 1: to look at the art, not the artist kind of
Speaker 1: a deal. But you know, the bottom line is if
Speaker 1: the movie comes out tomorrow and just tanks, well there's
Speaker 1: just nothing to build on, and so we'll just have
Speaker 1: to see how that goes. I would like to just say,
Speaker 1: I don't know what your personal feelings are and what
Speaker 1: you've read in the media about this case, but if
Speaker 1: you have an interest in seeing this movie, I think
Speaker 1: you should see this movie. It's a really good movie. So, um,
Speaker 1: I made the joke I feel like maybe on one
Speaker 1: of our first podcasts that the person who benefits the
Speaker 1: most from the birth of a nation scandal might be
Speaker 1: Mel Gibson because he has a movie coming up this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he does, and he's kind of on the forgiveness tour.
Speaker 1: I just saw tax Outrage. I just did. I was
Speaker 1: so unprepared for how much I would love it. I um,
Speaker 1: you know, I like all genres, but war films are
Speaker 1: probably my least favorite genre because of the violence or
Speaker 1: because of what it's partially the violence. Again, I have
Speaker 1: no problem with lens as long as it's not against dogs. Um.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know that there's anything new to
Speaker 1: uncover in a war movie. There's a lot of tropes
Speaker 1: that just give exactly UM. And I I've always thought
Speaker 1: Andrew Garfield as a good actor. He's particularly fantastic. I
Speaker 1: saw him on stage and Death of a Salesman, so
Speaker 1: I really knew what he could do. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've seen him as really the
Speaker 1: lead of a movie, carrying a film. He's got silence
Speaker 1: on the way, So I just did not I thought that.
Speaker 1: And I know Mel Gibson as a great filmmaker. I
Speaker 1: actually really love Apocalypto. It's amazing that Parkalypto is a
Speaker 1: fantastic movie. I don't care. Yeah, so I expected it
Speaker 1: to be a good movie. I don't think I expected
Speaker 1: greatness and the story that it tells, you know, of
Speaker 1: this conscientious the conscious conjector I haven't had my coffee yet,
Speaker 1: who you know wanted to go to war to be
Speaker 1: an army medic but refused to carry a gun. You know,
Speaker 1: the first half of the movie is almost a little
Speaker 1: like courtroom drama to something stent where they want to
Speaker 1: court martial him and and there's humor in it, like
Speaker 1: they're like, you're there's some era cheese going on earlier.
Speaker 1: You're establishing the characters a little bit too, it kind
Speaker 1: of because it's like g Gali fortis territory. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: once it gets into the actual battle, yeah, um of
Speaker 1: hacks All Ridge. It's it's, uh, a lot of those
Speaker 1: tropes come into play, you know, the saving Private Ryan stuff.
Speaker 1: I really do not like Saving Private Ryan. So for
Speaker 1: me to like love this movie as much as I did,
Speaker 1: why don't you like saving right? Oh my gosh. William
Speaker 1: Goldman actually wrote an excellent essay um years ago that
Speaker 1: nailed all my feelings about it. Um, I mean, look
Speaker 1: as an as a directorial achievement, it's amazing. The acting
Speaker 1: is fantastic. But like I would just say, read William
Speaker 1: Golden's article, It's sort of sums it up for me.
Speaker 1: But I have a feeling I agree with some of it.
Speaker 1: I've always thought it's on a bit of a pedestal.
Speaker 1: I mean, the book ends I have a real problem with.
Speaker 1: I want everyone to know that the life just turned.
Speaker 1: But but we didn't even blame, and we didn't blame,
Speaker 1: we just went. We cannot see each other right now.
Speaker 1: That is not a bad thing I am. I mean
Speaker 1: no events to you. I look great. You know, you're fantastic.
Speaker 1: You don't look like a newborn's father who hasn't slept
Speaker 1: in days at all. Saw Ridge. Uh yeah. When it
Speaker 1: gets into the into the gnarly stuff, and there are
Speaker 1: gnarly moments in the movie, but it ends up in
Speaker 1: a very emotional place too, obviously, when it inevitably transitions
Speaker 1: to the real life. Desmond Dass a name that I
Speaker 1: feel like should have been taught in schools and I've
Speaker 1: never heard of him. I mean, the in fact that
Speaker 1: he saved seventy people in that battle, at least seventy
Speaker 1: because a gun. Yeah, and did you like Vince Vaughn
Speaker 1: in it. I did. I thought it was woefully miscast,
Speaker 1: but I love Vince Vaughn. It just I was looking
Speaker 1: at the guy from Swingers aged a couple of years
Speaker 1: and playing this drill sergeant. It didn't really work for me.
Speaker 1: And I didn't love Hugo Weaving either, as his father.
Speaker 1: I didn't at first because it is I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: lie like it is very heavy handed in the beginning
Speaker 1: and very like, yes it get it gets a lot
Speaker 1: more subtle um and Hugh Hugo Weaving won me over. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how that does. It's the
Speaker 1: lines of Gate movie we've talked about. They have a
Speaker 1: lot of movies this year. There's nothing else like it
Speaker 1: this year. I feel like I think it could do
Speaker 1: really well. It's got crazy great reviews. You liked it.
Speaker 1: You probably didn't love it as much as I. But
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. And it's because Milkipson knows how
Speaker 1: to make a movie. And you don't see there's certain filmmakers.
Speaker 1: When you see them make a movie, you can tell
Speaker 1: that they know how to visually story to them and
Speaker 1: and he knows how to do it really well. And
Speaker 1: we talked about Apocalypto. I that was one of my
Speaker 1: favorite movies that year. Andrew Garfield mentioned I spoke to
Speaker 1: him last week and that was like one of the
Speaker 1: movies he brought up, and I was like, I'm so
Speaker 1: happy you brought that up because it does not get
Speaker 1: enough credit. Uh, best actor? Should he be in the conversation, Yes, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he should too. But and you know, it
Speaker 1: might be one of those things where he's amazing and
Speaker 1: Silence as well, and has that become you know, so
Speaker 1: so I don't know if he'll be nominated for Hacksaw
Speaker 1: having not seen Silence, maybe that will override it. But
Speaker 1: I he plays a tough part because he's Jimmy Stewart
Speaker 1: in the first part, you know, and then I don't
Speaker 1: even know what you would say he is in the
Speaker 1: second part. It's a unique movie and a unique story,
Speaker 1: and funnily enough, I'm talking to Andrew next week on
Speaker 1: the podcast. A nice little plug for next week. In
Speaker 1: the meantime, stick around for Aaron eck Card this week.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back all right as made and devil
Speaker 1: as it can. County Momorial Hospital tonight with a fractured neck.
Speaker 1: If you let me do the fusion. I can guarantee
Speaker 1: you'll be able to walk again, and he'll be able
Speaker 1: to fight again and not fusing my neck. We're not
Speaker 1: done him any the whole world outside the ring. Are
Speaker 1: you sick of people talking nothing like him? Did? Okay?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight again. No, you ain't beat Vid? No? No,
Speaker 1: I mean you just don't know how to give up. No.
Speaker 1: I know exactly how to give up. You know what
Speaker 1: scares me, kivid, is that it's easy. Come on, this
Speaker 1: is insane. Yeah, show me how you do things, Show
Speaker 1: me how you live, Show me who do you want?
Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone, I'm here with Aaron Eckhart, who uh
Speaker 1: probably was excited to see that. Tell your right film
Speaker 1: festival lineup this year at both of your films there.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming here. First of all, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: being on the show. What do you think? I tell
Speaker 1: you right, that's my favorite festival I go every year.
Speaker 1: What did you think? I had a great time? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, because it's just such a beautiful place
Speaker 1: when you're flying in there and all the beautiful aspens
Speaker 1: and you know, the gondola and the beautiful sort of
Speaker 1: main street Um, so it was a pleasure to go
Speaker 1: there first of all. But then, as you said, I
Speaker 1: had two movies there, um Sully and Lead for This,
Speaker 1: and UM I love both of the films and was
Speaker 1: there with great people, and UM, I couldn't imagine a
Speaker 1: better scenario world premiers for each. Uh you know, I
Speaker 1: want to start with Sully. That's the movie in theaters now,
Speaker 1: people can go see it. Now, people are seeing it. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I think it's doing pretty well at the box office
Speaker 1: so far, and Bleed for This is around the corner.
Speaker 1: But working with Mr Eastwood, you know, I'm always curious
Speaker 1: because he has a different kind of workflow. I think
Speaker 1: kind of the one two takes, move on kind of
Speaker 1: a thing. And I'm always curious how how actors respond
Speaker 1: to that. Do you ever feel like you'd like a
Speaker 1: couple more cracks at it? Or does it instill confidence
Speaker 1: to be that thrifty Well, I think that, um, you know,
Speaker 1: going into it, obviously, Clint is a whole different animal.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is an icon. He's been working in
Speaker 1: this business sixty plus years. At the top. He knows
Speaker 1: what he's doing as an Academy Award winning director. Um,
Speaker 1: there is UM Uh. You know, there's an admiration for
Speaker 1: him built into him that that other directors just don't have,
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, So you go in there very very
Speaker 1: um compliant, UM, and you want to please him. He
Speaker 1: also surrounds himself with his family, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: his crew has done multiple films with him. Um. You know, yes,
Speaker 1: he has a reputation, but he also has implicit trust
Speaker 1: in the people who he hires. And you know that
Speaker 1: going in he hires the best and and so he
Speaker 1: his whole thing about rehearsal and and and takes his
Speaker 1: I've hired you, I have total trust in your ability
Speaker 1: to give me what I want and UM, and so
Speaker 1: just do what you do. There's never any talk about
Speaker 1: one or two takes. It's you know, Clint said to
Speaker 1: me many times because he goes, I know what I
Speaker 1: have and you know, UM, I know when you've you've
Speaker 1: given me what I want. UM, and you just don't
Speaker 1: question that. There were times when I felt like I
Speaker 1: needed another one, uh, and he gave it to me. UM.
Speaker 1: But the sense of the sense on the set is
Speaker 1: it's just so easy, it's so effortless. Um. Everybody's working
Speaker 1: at their best and UM, you know, you get into
Speaker 1: a rhythm really quick, and you learn to to you know,
Speaker 1: trust yourself, um in in in in these circumstances and
Speaker 1: and so it's never you never feel like you're being
Speaker 1: robbed of takes. You feel like um, rather, you feel
Speaker 1: like you're being led into the family and UM. For
Speaker 1: an actor, obviously that's the most important thing, because trust
Speaker 1: is the most important atmomsphere, on the set and um.
Speaker 1: Sometimes directors don't know how to um uh create that
Speaker 1: sense of trust, that safety zone, you know, where you
Speaker 1: can do whatever you want to do. Also, we have
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks, who is, um, you know, one of our
Speaker 1: greatest actors, has given us some of our greatest films
Speaker 1: and performances and UM. So here and you know, you
Speaker 1: have Clint So he's the general and then you have
Speaker 1: Tom and um, everybody's working off these two guys. I'm
Speaker 1: working off Tom the whole time. I'm doing what Tom
Speaker 1: does uh you know. So he's setting the tone on
Speaker 1: the set for the performance, for the performance of the film,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's working with Clint. So I learned
Speaker 1: in this sort of circumstance. I learned pretty pretty quickly
Speaker 1: in my career what to do which is laid back
Speaker 1: watch observe, see what Clint, how Clint works, see how
Speaker 1: Tom works. And then I just sort of, Um, I
Speaker 1: just sort of worked my way into that and it
Speaker 1: works out pretty good. I've always heard that he doesn't
Speaker 1: really call action, that it's just like, all right, here
Speaker 1: we go and you just kind of go into the scene.
Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah, that's true. And that's just one
Speaker 1: of that's a great thing because I guess the story
Speaker 1: is that, Um, when he was doing his television show
Speaker 1: Clint and early in his career, they were always on
Speaker 1: horses and they reacted, they reacted that they would always
Speaker 1: scare the horses. So Clint finally said, why don't you
Speaker 1: just you know, put up your finger or something and
Speaker 1: we'll go right into it so you don't scare the horses. Um.
Speaker 1: And it really works because you know, in real life
Speaker 1: when we're talking, when you started this interview, you didn't
Speaker 1: say action. You know, people don't say action when they
Speaker 1: when we're talking. I mean, it's, um, it's sort of
Speaker 1: an unnatural thing that movies have, um, you know, and
Speaker 1: with Auto Preminger and all these guys in the past
Speaker 1: with the bull horns and all that sort of stuff
Speaker 1: that does nothing to create atmosphere on the set. And um,
Speaker 1: you know, actors prepare for a scene and a lot
Speaker 1: of times this preparation includes deep emotion and you know, hurt, sensitivity,
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. And when you when you
Speaker 1: when you get all that and you're ready to go,
Speaker 1: and then somebody yells action and it's not even usually
Speaker 1: the director, it's the first a d um it. It
Speaker 1: disturbs that emotion that you've that preparation that you've created,
Speaker 1: so um, and it feels like work when you yell
Speaker 1: action or cut and Clint doesn't do that, so it
Speaker 1: never feels like work. And I think what I was
Speaker 1: with doing Erin Brockovich was Soderberg. I don't think he
Speaker 1: did either. Yeah, it was just a very easy and
Speaker 1: you know the way with Clint is that after the
Speaker 1: day's done, whether that day is a six hour day,
Speaker 1: an eight hour day, or a twelve hour day, you
Speaker 1: never feel like you were at work. You feel like
Speaker 1: you just want to have fun with a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys and girls. You know, everybody knows each other and um,
Speaker 1: and I think it's reflective in the performances. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was just on the set of a Western recently, and
Speaker 1: they mentioned that actually that the horses will kind of
Speaker 1: react to that. Um. You know both of these films,
Speaker 1: you're playing real people. You're playing Kevin Rooney, the Great
Speaker 1: Boxing Trainer and Bleed for This and the Unsung co
Speaker 1: Pilot Jeff Skiles and and and Sully. Uh. Where is
Speaker 1: the line I'm curious between you know, uh, accuracy and essence.
Speaker 1: I guess you know there's you want to be true
Speaker 1: to the real people, but you also are playing characters
Speaker 1: who have dramatic thematic purposes. Yeah. I think what the
Speaker 1: responsibility for an actor is. Um, there's two responsibilities. One
Speaker 1: is to um not ruin the person's life that you're playing,
Speaker 1: you know, because these movies are seen by millions of people,
Speaker 1: and you want to You want it so that they
Speaker 1: can be proud of the film and that they can
Speaker 1: go see it and talk to their friends about it
Speaker 1: and feel good about it. Um. In order to um
Speaker 1: uh take off that box. Uh. You know you obviously
Speaker 1: you have to do research and get as close to
Speaker 1: that person as you possibly can in the in the U.
Speaker 1: In both of these instances, with believe for this and
Speaker 1: solely I wasn't able to be with them. Uh. Jeff
Speaker 1: Skiles is an active pilot today, so he was working
Speaker 1: and didn't have time. And UM, Kevin Rooney was in
Speaker 1: the hospital with um dementia. So I had to go
Speaker 1: on the internet. I had to find everything I could,
Speaker 1: all the old interviews and get close to the people
Speaker 1: and and for bleep. For this I I worked out
Speaker 1: with his son. I went to Freddie Roach, the great
Speaker 1: boxing trainer, allowed me to be a fly on the
Speaker 1: wall in his training camp with Pacie versus Bradley, and
Speaker 1: I was at his camp every single day and UM,
Speaker 1: and then I went to Vegas for the fight. I
Speaker 1: was ringside. I was in the hotel before, I was
Speaker 1: in the UM. I was in the locker room before
Speaker 1: and after UM, so anyway I could get connected with boxing.
Speaker 1: I also met all the promoters. I met, you know,
Speaker 1: all those characters you know, UM. And so that's how
Speaker 1: I got into Kevin Rooney. UM. And I stayed with
Speaker 1: him twenty four hours a day. I had his voice
Speaker 1: in my head. I had his He's got a lot
Speaker 1: of tape on him UM when he was with Tyson UM.
Speaker 1: And then afterwards and then for Jeff Skiles, I, UM,
Speaker 1: you know I talked to Jeff on the phone. Um,
Speaker 1: and then I did my research again. You know, you
Speaker 1: have the great thing about is you have a script,
Speaker 1: right and you no matter what, you have to abide
Speaker 1: by the script. So you have a template, you have
Speaker 1: a guideline of blueprint. Um, you can get away with behavior.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna give you exact behavior, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you as close as I possibly can.
Speaker 1: For example, Kevin Rooney, the way he stands, the way
Speaker 1: the look, um, the way he talks. UM, that's pretty close. UM,
Speaker 1: I mean I pretty I worked really hard to get
Speaker 1: that close. Um. Uh. And uh, you know with Jeff Skiles,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I did okay with that too.
Speaker 1: And UM, sooner or later, the real people they have to, um,
Speaker 1: they have to buy into the fact that this is
Speaker 1: a movie and that we're actors and we're not going
Speaker 1: to get it perfect and it's not going to be
Speaker 1: the exact story or exactly what they did. That's just
Speaker 1: not possible. Um. But I think that I try to
Speaker 1: get it as close as I possibly can. And with Bleed,
Speaker 1: you you know, you're you're dashing, good looks had to
Speaker 1: take a back seat. Because you got the big receding hair,
Speaker 1: and did you put on weight for them? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: put him out forty pounds. I just went another version
Speaker 1: of good looking and that you know, some some uh
Speaker 1: some women you know dig that look. Uh yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: But more so, I mean, I think when people talk
Speaker 1: about the weight and the hair and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: to say, oh, it's you know, they look at it
Speaker 1: in terms of what I did as an actor. But
Speaker 1: that's not the important thing. The important thing is how
Speaker 1: do you get close to the real Kevin Rooney? You know,
Speaker 1: this was the state that he was in, and he
Speaker 1: wasn't always like that. He was a boxer, He was
Speaker 1: a good boxer, training with Custom Moatto. He had a
Speaker 1: he had an amateur and professional career. But after Don
Speaker 1: King took uh took over Tyson and and put you know,
Speaker 1: Kevin Rooney out on the street. Um he was a
Speaker 1: big drinker, a gambler, he lost his way, he got depressed.
Speaker 1: Um you know, he really didn't have a career after that.
Speaker 1: So his weight and his attitude was a reflection of
Speaker 1: what was going on in his life. And um, me,
Speaker 1: gaining the weight and doing that put me in that mindset.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask if it's something, if it's that
Speaker 1: kind of thing when you go through a physical transformation,
Speaker 1: if it just only helps you further, or if it
Speaker 1: feels like another layer you kind of have to act
Speaker 1: for you. It's exactly the opposite. In fact, anything that
Speaker 1: you can do, anything that any impediment that you can
Speaker 1: give yourself as an actor that allows you to not act,
Speaker 1: to not have to think about that thing is great. Um.
Speaker 1: For example, uh, and Kevin Rooney, he has a particular walk.
Speaker 1: In this walk is a result of his weight and
Speaker 1: his mindset. Um, he's back on his heels. He doesn't
Speaker 1: move his upper body a lot, he just uses his arms.
Speaker 1: He doesn't do too much movement. That's all the reflection
Speaker 1: of his physics, of his physical um, the weight and
Speaker 1: all that. So if I put on the weight and
Speaker 1: then go back on my heels, then I don't have
Speaker 1: to think about that anymore. I can concentrate on what's
Speaker 1: in front of Miles or Vini passiens, or or what
Speaker 1: I have to do in the scene. So um, and
Speaker 1: even if the if the audience doesn't see the impediment.
Speaker 1: For example, if you put a rock in your shoe,
Speaker 1: you know something as simple as that. And I have
Speaker 1: a limp, why wouldn't I put a rock in my shoe?
Speaker 1: And then I can forget about the limp. The limp
Speaker 1: is going to be natural, right because I don't want
Speaker 1: to step on a rock in my shoe, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a better experience for the audience. So I'm
Speaker 1: into that totally. And you've played with your look before.
Speaker 1: You talked about Aaron Brockovitch. Earlier you had the biker
Speaker 1: main going on. Yeah, the hair. I've gained weight three
Speaker 1: times over forty pounds for your friends and neighbors. And
Speaker 1: then another movie I did, and you know, uh, each
Speaker 1: time it's put me in the mindset of the character.
Speaker 1: And also when I look into the mirror in the
Speaker 1: makeup trailer or at home, I don't see me anymore.
Speaker 1: I see this other thing, you know. Um, I see
Speaker 1: the character and and and people see the character. The
Speaker 1: other actors do too. And that's the one thing about
Speaker 1: green screen or computer generated like for example, The Dark Night. Um, yes,
Speaker 1: I for two faced. I had makeup on this side
Speaker 1: of my face, But it wasn't the computerated computer generated
Speaker 1: makeup that I that the film eventually got to So
Speaker 1: let's say that you're Gary Oldman or your Christian or whoever, um,
Speaker 1: and you have to see two faces face for the
Speaker 1: first time. Had you seen that computer generated face, you
Speaker 1: would have had a different reaction because it would have
Speaker 1: been horrifying, right, because it was so good. So it's
Speaker 1: also good for actors who are playing opposite you, so
Speaker 1: that they don't have to act that they can truly
Speaker 1: be horrified or feel however they need to feel about
Speaker 1: you as an actor. Um. So, I mean it's been
Speaker 1: a tool since you know, I mean Bella, go see Shakespeare,
Speaker 1: since the Greek That's why the two the masks, right, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But you mentioned your friends and neighbors there. I wanted
Speaker 1: to venture out a little bit. Did you have trouble
Speaker 1: getting dates after in the Company of the Men? Yes,
Speaker 1: I I from the second that movie was in Sundance
Speaker 1: and nobody had seen the film coming up on twenty years.
Speaker 1: That's twenty years I've been in this game pro and
Speaker 1: um wow, And uh sorry, I didn't you put a
Speaker 1: number on it? No, I actually I just I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about that because I'm forty eight and I got
Speaker 1: into started doing movies. I was twenty seven when I
Speaker 1: did that movie. And but it's been a good twenty years.
Speaker 1: It's been an interesting twenty years from me. Um, but
Speaker 1: your friends and neighbors are in the Company of Men.
Speaker 1: They came out of Sundance, you know, the people that
Speaker 1: saw it came out and there I got the reactions.
Speaker 1: I mean just I mean, if they could have spent
Speaker 1: on me, they would. And I did have one instance where,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was months or years after,
Speaker 1: in the Company of Men, girl comes up to me
Speaker 1: and she goes, she and she was working with me
Speaker 1: in some way, and she says, she said, um, she said,
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I just had this anger,
Speaker 1: you know, towards you. And I didn't know why. And
Speaker 1: I just felt sick when I would look at where
Speaker 1: it's sick, was wrong where, But you know what, I
Speaker 1: look at you, and she was I realized that it
Speaker 1: was from me in the Company of Men's compliment. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean in that case, yeah, basically. And my actually
Speaker 1: my my girlfriend at the time, who's actually in the movie, uh,
Speaker 1: Emily Klein. She uh, her mom called her up after
Speaker 1: the first time she saw that movie, and she goes,
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't know if I can trust there
Speaker 1: and anymore so. I mean, that's the power of the movies.
Speaker 1: That's the power of the script that Neil wrote. It's
Speaker 1: I love it so much. I think I saw it
Speaker 1: in film school for the first time. So naturally, but
Speaker 1: you think you'll work with Neil again. He's been doing
Speaker 1: some TV lately. I think I just talked to Neil
Speaker 1: the other day. Um, Neil's doing a play. He wants
Speaker 1: to do a play on Broadway and asked if I
Speaker 1: wanted to be in it, and unfortunately I can't. But
Speaker 1: we're still very good friends. And you know, Neil has
Speaker 1: been very very good to me. Uh and um, you know,
Speaker 1: he always tries to include me and whatever he's doing. Uh.
Speaker 1: The problem is it's just that, you know, schedules and
Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. But we will definitely
Speaker 1: work again. Awesome. I want to talk about Any Given Sunday.
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of Any Given Sunday. I hope
Speaker 1: you had a good time making the movie, because I
Speaker 1: would like to talk about it. It's one of those movies.
Speaker 1: It's it's so busy and like to me a good way.
Speaker 1: It's like it looks like he shot a ton of
Speaker 1: film and like, what's laying around that's not in the movie.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh my gosh, working with Oliver Stone, What
Speaker 1: was that experience like for you? I loved it, you know,
Speaker 1: shooting a lot of film. I guess in those it
Speaker 1: was on film, right. Um, he had three units working
Speaker 1: at all times, Oliver. I remember one time I was
Speaker 1: way up in the uh in the in the in
Speaker 1: the coach's box up at Dallas Stadium, and I get
Speaker 1: up there and and the other people were there to
Speaker 1: do the scene and and but Oliver wasn't there. And
Speaker 1: I was like it was a pretty major scene, you know.
Speaker 1: I like, it's like, when's Oliver coming? Because Oliver's in
Speaker 1: the locker room shooting Jamie Fox. They're doing this. But
Speaker 1: so like a lot of times, all everyone wasn't there
Speaker 1: because he was hooked into the monitor and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: So we did that scene without Oliver. Um. But that's
Speaker 1: his style, I mean, the whole thing. I'll tell a story.
Speaker 1: You like story I do. Let's hear it. Uh. We've
Speaker 1: shot in on Miami Beach. It was it was in
Speaker 1: s h um you know, uh pound sign t show
Speaker 1: uh and Um. I went to set in the beginning,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't working that day. I just went to
Speaker 1: go look at it. And out in the fields, Pacino
Speaker 1: was was working and they weren't shooting a scene, a
Speaker 1: football scene. He was coaching and and Dennis Quaid was
Speaker 1: over there, and and Oliver comes up to me and
Speaker 1: he goes, He goes, you're ready for the big time eron.
Speaker 1: I'm already scared of all of her, right, So I
Speaker 1: was like, um, okay, yeah, sure. And he goes go
Speaker 1: out there and say something to out and I go, Oliver,
Speaker 1: I'm not even working today. I hadn't been through makeup.
Speaker 1: I wasn't in costume or anything. He goes, he goes,
Speaker 1: go out there and say something to him. I go,
Speaker 1: so he he didn't care. So I go out there
Speaker 1: and I have no idea what to say that you know,
Speaker 1: Al's you know, Al doesn't know anything about football, right,
Speaker 1: you know, at the time. So we're doing a scene
Speaker 1: and and then so Oliver goes go over there in
Speaker 1: the background and uh and coach these players, right, these
Speaker 1: big football players. So I was like, okay. And what
Speaker 1: happens is that they're, um, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: coaches would throw the ball to the other they'd run
Speaker 1: and give the drop the ball off and we threw
Speaker 1: it and they would just go around in a circle.
Speaker 1: And um, so we're doing it, you know, Oliver says
Speaker 1: action we're weigh in the background, and and uh. And
Speaker 1: halfway through the scenes, these guys quit, they quit the
Speaker 1: doing their little practice, and I freaked. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: their coach, right, So I get up in their faces
Speaker 1: and I go, if you guys ever quit again, if
Speaker 1: you ever stopped, I didn't tell you to stop. I'm
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. Right. Well, these football players
Speaker 1: had no idea who I was. They had no idea
Speaker 1: what was going on. So all the film rolling on,
Speaker 1: all of this, yeah, oh yeah. We were in the
Speaker 1: middle of the scene and and so one of the
Speaker 1: football players comes up to me goes, you ever talked
Speaker 1: to me like that again, I'm gonna kick your you know,
Speaker 1: And I said, I'm your coach. I'm an actor. Oliver
Speaker 1: never introduced me to anybody, and so and then finally
Speaker 1: when they when they said, I said, I'm playing the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in this movie, then they all, you know,
Speaker 1: we all had a good laugh for the first impression.
Speaker 1: But that's the way Oliver works, and there's a there's
Speaker 1: a method to his madness. I mean, he really gets
Speaker 1: people to just go crazy and to give their best,
Speaker 1: and he creates this atmosphere that it's uh, it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's an animal atmosphere that you know, you know, because
Speaker 1: you know football. The reason why you like that movie,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I mean, you tell me is that it's
Speaker 1: just it's madness. I mean football is mad. All the Gladiator,
Speaker 1: the stuff they cut into it, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: the essence of it. And he creates that offset. So
Speaker 1: the whole set is like that. Um, you know, people
Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing. People, and he shoots forever.
Speaker 1: We were doing twenty hour days for weeks and weeks, um.
Speaker 1: But he gets results and that's why Olive are so great. Um.
Speaker 1: I would definitely work with him again. Uh. Twenty years later,
Speaker 1: I know a little bit more than I knew that,
Speaker 1: you know, because I had just come off in the
Speaker 1: company of men. But it was a great time. You're
Speaker 1: a football fan, Oh yeah, who's your team? Raiders? Raiders? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: So what do you think of the Rams being back here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's good. I mean I'm I would prefer that they
Speaker 1: create l A's own team. You know, I know that
Speaker 1: the Rams were here at one time, but you know,
Speaker 1: I like that they're building a state stadium in the
Speaker 1: middle of town. I'd like that so that everybody can
Speaker 1: participate in the we don't have to go out for um.
Speaker 1: I like football. I love football, so I'm happy that
Speaker 1: they're here. I'm still a Raiders fan, and if Raiders
Speaker 1: go to the Vegas I'm still going to be a
Speaker 1: Raiders fan. Yes. Are You're from Kuppertina, right from A Yeah. Way,
Speaker 1: So the Dark Knight you mentioned earlier, I think it
Speaker 1: looms large on you know, anybody's filmography that was a
Speaker 1: part of that film. Uh, I'm curious your thoughts on
Speaker 1: just the ballooning sort of comic book franchise status quo
Speaker 1: of the industry right now. You are kind of a
Speaker 1: part of the most ideal scenario with that. You this
Speaker 1: ohtour filmmaker who had a blockbuster sensibility, dictated what he
Speaker 1: wanted to do with his trilogy and then got out
Speaker 1: of it. Chris is an independent filmmaker and art who
Speaker 1: makes the biggest movies in the world. So he the
Speaker 1: essence through the atmosphere on the set. Is an independent film, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you have three of the largest green screens on
Speaker 1: the planet, you have two of the only Alimax cameras made.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the Batmobile, all this sort. But
Speaker 1: he does it as an independent filmer, and he is,
Speaker 1: as you said in our tour, he's the closest thing
Speaker 1: that I've ever seen to what I felt like. Hitchcock
Speaker 1: was at the consummate filmmaker, the consummate storyteller with his
Speaker 1: own style, Chris. And then we had Heath who is
Speaker 1: giving a performance. Uh, that wasn't a superhero performance. That
Speaker 1: was a psychotic villain performance. Is psychotic like a method performance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was real. It was visceral.
Speaker 1: You know. You know he wasn't putting on a show
Speaker 1: for the comic book. He was. I mean, anybody that
Speaker 1: can take the joke Jack Nicholson's joker and then make
Speaker 1: it his own has done a good job. You know,
Speaker 1: Chris really gave us a novel for a script. When
Speaker 1: I read that script, it was the scenario where some
Speaker 1: guy goes to your house and waits in the garas
Speaker 1: in the driveway while you read the script, and I thought,
Speaker 1: how can Okay, I'll be two faced, but how can
Speaker 1: you possibly with all these other characters, can there be
Speaker 1: any room for character development as two face? And it
Speaker 1: was all there. I mean, it was a novel. Um.
Speaker 1: He managed to put all these subplots and characters and
Speaker 1: give them all something to do, make them real characters,
Speaker 1: and um, and weave them in the story. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: as you said, that's it was different that trilogy because
Speaker 1: of Chris, I think had more depth to it, It
Speaker 1: had more social importance. Especially look at what's going on
Speaker 1: today this very day. Um. Uh you know. Uh, So
Speaker 1: I don't know that the other filmmakers out there are
Speaker 1: doing have the vision that Chris does. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're trying to solve the same problems that
Speaker 1: Chris is and trying to teach us like Chris is. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know. Um, here you have Gotham City that is
Speaker 1: being overrun by a mob, by a personality you know. Um,
Speaker 1: people are afraid to walk the stre reads, the old
Speaker 1: lady can't go out, the police force is either bought
Speaker 1: off or scared. Um. These are real issues that are
Speaker 1: going on today. Um. You know. Uh, the threat was
Speaker 1: very very real in the Dark Night, I don't know
Speaker 1: that the threat is as real. And other super superhero movies,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they even have the intention of
Speaker 1: doing and the goal seems to be everything is shackled
Speaker 1: by I P Really it's it's kind of like, we
Speaker 1: need this thing that has a fan base that we
Speaker 1: can create a product around. And that's what it feels
Speaker 1: like in the industry. You know, I don't know how
Speaker 1: much teaching is being done in superhero films. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Now I'm forty eight, I'm not thirteen years old. I
Speaker 1: mean I went to Greece, man, I went to Rocky,
Speaker 1: but when I saw Rocky, I went out of there
Speaker 1: going I can do it if I want. Well, that's
Speaker 1: one of the themes, um, you know, David versus Goliath.
Speaker 1: You know all these things that it made me a
Speaker 1: better person Rocky did. Um, I don't know, and you
Speaker 1: could tell me maybe better this Are these kids going
Speaker 1: out of those movies better people? Are they learning something?
Speaker 1: Are they using it in their real lives? Um, it's
Speaker 1: a fair question. What are movies for? You know? One
Speaker 1: thing about solely bringing it back to solely is you know,
Speaker 1: when I read comments. You know, if I'm on Twitter
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, you know, reading comments about the film,
Speaker 1: people I think are getting something from the film. Um
Speaker 1: And and the same thing with Bleef for this. You know,
Speaker 1: Vinny was was a champ, broke his neck and and
Speaker 1: and and out of his own desire, this maniacal desire
Speaker 1: to box. He built himself back up and became five
Speaker 1: time champ. I can learn something from that. Um So,
Speaker 1: I don't look at things like an alien movie or
Speaker 1: a superhero movie, or a drama or a comedy. If
Speaker 1: somebody dies in an alien movie, it's the same to
Speaker 1: me as they die in a drama. It's the same
Speaker 1: acting as an actor. Um you know, flags that go
Speaker 1: off in my head. I'm going to treat that as
Speaker 1: a real death. You know. Maybe that maybe that's why
Speaker 1: I'm where in my here because I haven't gotten a
Speaker 1: freaking message. But um So, you're not compelled then to
Speaker 1: to join into these big cinematic universes and be a
Speaker 1: part of though. I'm more compelled to go direct and
Speaker 1: write my own voice and find my own voice. I
Speaker 1: don't need to have. Um Look, I mean, as we said,
Speaker 1: I'm twenty years into this, I'm getting older. UM, My
Speaker 1: whole thing would be to teach kids to um, to
Speaker 1: be better people and to have the tools to weather
Speaker 1: the storms that are coming through adolescence. And you know,
Speaker 1: I've always I have in fact, an idea to write
Speaker 1: my own superhero movie. But it has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with superpowers. It has to do with I don't even
Speaker 1: want to say, but it's it's tools that kids if
Speaker 1: they learn them today as kids, they're there. There's social
Speaker 1: interaction tools that if they apply these, they actually can
Speaker 1: feel like superhero. UM. Well, I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: because we were starting to I'll close here. We were
Speaker 1: starting to talk at the beginning before we recorded about
Speaker 1: the project. Here. We're trying to get off the ground
Speaker 1: as a director. So that's you're interested in in? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: creating definitely. I feel that you know. Yes, I want
Speaker 1: to tell stories. UM. I want to have my own
Speaker 1: voice out there. I also don't want to I want
Speaker 1: to be free. I want to do what I want
Speaker 1: to do in the movies and not have any talent
Speaker 1: telling me that I can't do it. Um. I also
Speaker 1: want to work with actors. I I want to What
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a director is Yes, the atmosphere of
Speaker 1: trust and all that sort of stuff. But I want
Speaker 1: a director to say, it's not good enough. Go further,
Speaker 1: go further, you can do better, you can do better,
Speaker 1: you can do better, and push me even if it hurts,
Speaker 1: so that afterwards, when we see the product, I say, wow,
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was capable of that, Thank you.
Speaker 1: And I work with actors, and I look at other actors,
Speaker 1: and I look at the demands or the lack of
Speaker 1: demands that actors put that directors put on actors because
Speaker 1: directors oftentimes do not know what to say or how
Speaker 1: to push an actor. Oftentimes directors are afraid of actors,
Speaker 1: so the actors aren't getting the best of the director.
Speaker 1: You know, um, and I would like to take actors
Speaker 1: and push them hard so that we can get to
Speaker 1: a place that we never imagined, so the audience can go, damn,
Speaker 1: that was real. I felt that. I think a great
Speaker 1: example of that is um is thirteen, the movie thirteen
Speaker 1: by Katherine Hardwick. You know, she told me I was
Speaker 1: working with her, not on a movie but something else,
Speaker 1: and and she told me that, And you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're taking people and giving the best performances of their lives.
Speaker 1: What did it take to do that? How did the
Speaker 1: actors buy into it? Didn't hurt? Was it uncomfortable? Um,
Speaker 1: because I'm okay with uncomfortable. I'm okay with payne. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know if it gets as closer to where we
Speaker 1: want to be. Um, And so that's why I want
Speaker 1: to direct. Awesome. Well, good luck with that, man, I
Speaker 1: hope you do it, And good luck with these two films.
Speaker 1: Everybody go see Sully. Pleave for this is around the corner.
Speaker 1: And thanks again for coming by today and really appreciate it.
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