WEBVTT - From the Vault: Holiday Inventions

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And it's Saturday. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it's Christmas Day. Maybe it is Christmas, Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so this this episode originally aired on December. It was

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<v Speaker 1>about a holiday associated inventions. Yeah, yeah, and you know, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>Merry Christmas, Oh, Merry Christmas to you. Welcome to Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to Blow your Mind production of My Heart Radio. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say that it's almost Christmas time, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly what day this episode is going to be airing.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't fully worked that out yet. So it's sometime

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<v Speaker 1>within a couple of weeks of Christmas, right, well Christmas Day,

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<v Speaker 1>but certain it falls within the month of December or

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<v Speaker 1>like the three month radius of surrounding December. So it's Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the holidays. Bells will be ringing, meaning doorbells with

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<v Speaker 1>deliveries because that's uh, that's the kind of Christmas that's

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<v Speaker 1>going on this year. Yep, yep. A supply chain straining

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<v Speaker 1>holiday season. Yes, um so, yeah, you wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some Christmas related inventions, and I gotta say we

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<v Speaker 1>turned up some surprisingly weird and funny stuff on this subject.

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<v Speaker 1>I was pleasantly surprised with where this went. Yeah. Last

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<v Speaker 1>year in the Invention feed Back when Invention was its

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<v Speaker 1>own podcast, we focused on some popular toys, where they

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<v Speaker 1>came from, how they were invented, things that went under

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<v Speaker 1>the tree. This year, all of the inventions were discussing

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<v Speaker 1>are things that go on the tree? Which is uh

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<v Speaker 1>and and yeah these It turned out to be quite interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a tree up right now, Joe? We do.

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<v Speaker 1>It is fake. It is made primarily of petroleum products.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, what was once ancient organisms floating in the

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<v Speaker 1>seas have settled down and become oil and now they

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<v Speaker 1>are plastic and they're in my home and they make

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<v Speaker 1>it festive. Oh nice, Well, we too have our tree

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<v Speaker 1>up It is a a live tree, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>one that was was alive at some point and it

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<v Speaker 1>was cut free from the earth and uh so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>now it is in my living room and I run

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<v Speaker 1>a hose in from outside to give it more water

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<v Speaker 1>every day or so were you always a live tree person?

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<v Speaker 1>Or was that a transition. I've just always been a

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<v Speaker 1>fake tree family my whole life. We were always a

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<v Speaker 1>live tree family, and we would do this thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is something my family picked up in Canada

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<v Speaker 1>and then continued to do, and that is for a

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<v Speaker 1>for the the tree stand. Instead of having an actual

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<v Speaker 1>tree stand, we had a bucket of rocks. So you'd

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<v Speaker 1>put the tree stump in the bucket and then you

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<v Speaker 1>put big sizeable rocks around it, you know, to fill

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<v Speaker 1>it up, but there's still space for water, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we'd pour water are in and uh, I think we

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<v Speaker 1>did that till one year the tree tipped over and

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<v Speaker 1>rocks and water went everywhere, and then they decided, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's see about getting an art official tree, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they made the switch. But uh, I've done both

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<v Speaker 1>here in my own household. Um. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a trade off, right because the there's a

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<v Speaker 1>nice smell to the to the fresh cut tree. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>But then you have to pick up the needles, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to inevitably do a little song on it to

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<v Speaker 1>make it function in your house. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>I can go either way. I think conceptually, I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>much a live tree person. I've just never in actuality

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<v Speaker 1>been one. That's that's the power of habit and the

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<v Speaker 1>power of family tradition. Right, Like, if you were to

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<v Speaker 1>present me these options afresh, as if you know I'd

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<v Speaker 1>never celebrated Christmas before, I would definitely go live tree.

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<v Speaker 1>But now I think I'm gonna be plastic to the grave.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to like the idea of doing a small

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<v Speaker 1>tree because if you do a small little tree, it's

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<v Speaker 1>less less work, right, But now we have all of

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<v Speaker 1>the is We've accumulated all of these these family heirloom decorations,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, we've got to put those on the trees.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta have a large enough tree to hold them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a very good points as the ornaments that come

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<v Speaker 1>as Christmas gifts that people give you when they don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what else to give you for Christmas, as they

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<v Speaker 1>accumulate over the seasons, they really do start weighing down

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<v Speaker 1>those branches. Alright. So, like I said, everything that we're

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<v Speaker 1>discussing this episode, all the inventions are things that go

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<v Speaker 1>on a Christmas tree. So we really need to lay

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<v Speaker 1>the groundwork, especially for our first invention, Christmas tree lights,

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<v Speaker 1>electric Christmas tree lights. Now we always discussed what came before. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously we have to talk about just the

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<v Speaker 1>origin of the Christmas tree as much as we understand it. Um. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if a couple of different ways to consider this. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can think about the the use of control fire

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<v Speaker 1>itself for ceremonial purposes. Uh, this has a role in

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<v Speaker 1>every culture. But here we're talking more specifically about the

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<v Speaker 1>use of illumination technology combined with the form of a

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<v Speaker 1>tree or an actual tree. Now, I know I read

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<v Speaker 1>a legendary account. Something tells me this this might not

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<v Speaker 1>be necessarily true, but a legendary account involving Martin Luther

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<v Speaker 1>and the origins of lighting up a Christmas tree. Um. So,

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<v Speaker 1>so this story, I guess would post date the invention

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<v Speaker 1>of the Christmas tree itself because it assumes there's already

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<v Speaker 1>a tree inside the house. But the story is that

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Luther is out wandering one night, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>Protestant reformer Martin Luther. I'm sure he's uh, he's composing

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<v Speaker 1>in his mind some extremely scatological screed against the pope,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he's wandering and he sees trees, and he

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<v Speaker 1>sees the stars, behind the trees twinkling and shining through

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<v Speaker 1>the branches, and he's like, oh, how could I recreate

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<v Speaker 1>that at home? And the idea he comes up with is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's put a bunch of candles in the branches of

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<v Speaker 1>this evergreen. Yeah. It's a beautiful story, but as far

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<v Speaker 1>as I can tell, it's just a story, just made up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>much like another story, another myth concerning St. Boniface thwarting

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<v Speaker 1>a pagan ceremony and somehow turning it into a Christmas tree. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it makes for a cool origin story, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing to it now. There's certainly you get into

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<v Speaker 1>the myth making about the origin of the Christmas tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Another thing to keep in mind is that we

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of what you can think of as

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<v Speaker 1>auxiliary traditions. Uh. For instance, in England, prior to the

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<v Speaker 1>use of Christmas trees, there were fifteenth and sixteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>traditions involving bringing holly and ivy in during the winter

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<v Speaker 1>and doing things with holly and ivy. They are dreadic

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<v Speaker 1>traditions concerning mistletoe and we've explored those on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the winter may Pole tradition has also some similarities

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<v Speaker 1>according to historians. Yeah, the general ideas that you could

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<v Speaker 1>find something that was green in the wintertime, some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of evergreen branch, you know, if it was pine needles

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<v Speaker 1>or or holly or something, and you'd bring that into

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<v Speaker 1>the home around the winter solstice, and the green decoration

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<v Speaker 1>would help distress the family from the barren misery that

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<v Speaker 1>is winter time. But Christmas tree traditions themselves where you'd

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<v Speaker 1>actually cut down an evergreen tree and then bring it

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<v Speaker 1>inside the house or at least put it somewhere near

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<v Speaker 1>the house or in the barn or in the home. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That appears to begin among German speaking people's maybe around

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<v Speaker 1>the sixteenth century. That again, it's a little complicated because

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<v Speaker 1>that seems to emerge from similar older traditions. But but

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<v Speaker 1>the Christmas tree itself looks like it it comes around

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<v Speaker 1>the fifteen hundreds. And this was not the only Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>decoration tradition among German speaking people's at the time. Another

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<v Speaker 1>German classic was what came to be known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas pyramid. Though this name comes after Napoleon's adventures in Egypt. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not strictly a pyramid like the ones at Giza,

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<v Speaker 1>you've seen this before. It's sort of a tapering miniature

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<v Speaker 1>tower with platforms populated by angels with trumpets and other

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<v Speaker 1>critters of that stripe. It's a little I arama, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I don't know that I've seen this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've seen pyramid type constructions where they use points,

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<v Speaker 1>setta plants and kind of arrange them like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think one thing you could do when you're building

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<v Speaker 1>your Christmas pyramid is put some evergreen branches on it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of spruce it up and like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's maybe it's not winter. Here's something green. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>then of course U slay all the servants who helped

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<v Speaker 1>you erect it and placed them under the under the pyramid,

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<v Speaker 1>right scoop the brains out of the angels through the nose.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. Oh man, you know, an an ancient Egyptian

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<v Speaker 1>themed Christmas tree would actually be quite lovely. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure if you would put at the top, maybe a cyrus.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you could put in the sun disc. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's so much you could do. Now I want

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<v Speaker 1>to make one, except that I would not be permitted

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. Now I was looking more into the

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<v Speaker 1>the history here the tree, and you pointed to the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteenth century origins in Germany, and certainly that seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be when it was. We can really point to it

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<v Speaker 1>and say, like, here is the Christmas tree tradition in action.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was also reading from a book by Judith Flanders,

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Say Biography. She's a historian and writer with a specialty.

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<v Speaker 1>Her main especially, I think, is Victorian history, and she

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<v Speaker 1>says that we can we can think of of many

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<v Speaker 1>of these earlier traditions as again precursors to the Christmas Tree,

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<v Speaker 1>and an association that had been forged between winter traditions

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<v Speaker 1>and the tree we're already growing around this time, especially

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany. The origins, she says, seemed to take us

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<v Speaker 1>back to the early fifteenth century. In Germany, there are

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<v Speaker 1>records of a fourteen nineteen decorated tree in Freiburg decorated

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<v Speaker 1>with apples, flower paste wafers, tinsel and gingerbread flower paste wafers.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, so Flanders points to documented traditions of paradise

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<v Speaker 1>plays performed at the time and performed around Christmas. They

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<v Speaker 1>use that would have used an evergreen fur with apples

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<v Speaker 1>tied to their branches in place of the Tree of

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<v Speaker 1>Knowledge a k a. The Tree of the Knowledge of

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<v Speaker 1>Good and Evil, which of course is important to Judeo

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<v Speaker 1>Christian traditions and tied to the world tree myths in general. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So in the Paradise play, this would be reproducing the

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<v Speaker 1>the the myth of the Garden of Eden, where Eve

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<v Speaker 1>is tempted by the serpent to eat of the Tree

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<v Speaker 1>of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which Adam and

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<v Speaker 1>Eve have been forbidden from from partaking of. They can

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<v Speaker 1>eat of the Tree of life, and that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>live forever, but they can't know what's right and wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And and once they eat of the fruit, then they

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<v Speaker 1>realize they're naked, and all kinds of bad stuff happens.

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<v Speaker 1>God gets very angry. Yeah, it's a it's a whole scene,

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<v Speaker 1>trust me. But at any rate that this would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a tree standing in to represent that mythic tree,

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<v Speaker 1>and the decorations would have included wool thread against straw apples,

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<v Speaker 1>things like nuts and pretzels and yeah, pretzels, which makes sense, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You can make things out of pretzels, make curious shapes

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<v Speaker 1>and all. It sounds good and also feels authentically German.

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<v Speaker 1>This brings up a question I was talking about with

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel recently, and something about this has me still a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit steaming. Are you not supposed to eat a

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<v Speaker 1>gingerbread house. I'm getting mixed signals about what the whole

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the gingerbread house is, because if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to eat it, why are you making it entirely

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<v Speaker 1>out of edible foods? Uh? I guess that's a redundancy

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<v Speaker 1>out of edible things. And if you are supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>eat it, why is it treated I don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very confused. Well, I guess part of it is that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just you know, cookier cake, it's load bearing

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<v Speaker 1>cookier cake. Right. Um, yeah, I was always told you

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<v Speaker 1>were making a gingerbread house, but you can't eat it

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<v Speaker 1>because the gingerbread is obviously just sitting out on the

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<v Speaker 1>table and is not fit for consumption at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you turn the lights off at night,

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<v Speaker 1>you go to bed and you nestle in, You nestle

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<v Speaker 1>in and get all cozy. The roaches come out. They

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<v Speaker 1>crawl all over the gingerbread house, so they eat little

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<v Speaker 1>bits off of it, and then they scurry away in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning. So if you go and take a bite,

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<v Speaker 1>just know who you're eating after exactly. Yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>all a good reason not to trust it, unless I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you're very controlling with your gingerbread house. It goes

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<v Speaker 1>into the refrigerator when you're not using it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I could see that as working, and that could be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>But otherwise, you don't eat the house. You eat the men.

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<v Speaker 1>You eat the gingerbread men. Voiced by Gary Busey. Yeah, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>So this tree is becomes popular, In fact, it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>so popular it outlasts the popularity of these paradise plays,

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<v Speaker 1>and it becomes this holiday tradition. It is the it

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<v Speaker 1>is the Christmas tree. It is the the vi Knox bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>So Flanders right, So the oldest Christmas tree market was

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<v Speaker 1>apparently in Strassburg, just over the current German border in

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<v Speaker 1>France in the seventeenth century, and Flanders points to the

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<v Speaker 1>first decorated indoor Christmas tree as being is being tied

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<v Speaker 1>to sixteen o five. Again, the decorations seemed to include

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<v Speaker 1>things like apples and sweets, and they became quite popular

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<v Speaker 1>in the straws Burg region with Actually there were fifteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century laws put in place at one point to limit

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<v Speaker 1>the number of trees per household. Oh, this is not

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<v Speaker 1>the last place we're going to encounter laws regulating Christmas trees. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean people, you know, they get upset about the

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<v Speaker 1>War on Christmas, but wars must be waged against Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>to keep it from getting out of control, because it will.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a centuries long tradition. Yeah. Now, speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>of the traditions though, uh, you know, we we often

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<v Speaker 1>especially here in the United States, uh, and and certainly

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<v Speaker 1>in England, you think of it as being you know,

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<v Speaker 1>firmly rooted in English speaking people's right, But the tradition

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<v Speaker 1>didn't actually travel from Germany to England un till the

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<v Speaker 1>final quarter of the eighteenth century. Flanders points to the

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<v Speaker 1>Gurton novel The Sorrows of Young Worther from seventeen seventy four,

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<v Speaker 1>which was translated into English and includes a description of

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<v Speaker 1>a tree not only with organic decorations, but with lights.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had to I had to look it up,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can find this text in full on the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>In but it here's the juicy part. Quote. He began

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<v Speaker 1>talking of the delight of the children and of that

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<v Speaker 1>age when the sudden appearance of the Christmas tree decorated

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<v Speaker 1>with fruits and sweetmeats and lighted up with wax candles

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<v Speaker 1>causes such transports of joy. The tree lighted up with

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<v Speaker 1>wax candles is going to cause such transports of something. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So another big thing that was involved in the transfer

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<v Speaker 1>of the Christmas tree tradition to England. In seventeen nine,

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<v Speaker 1>the German wife of George the third suggested they erect

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<v Speaker 1>quote an illuminated tree according to the German fashion, and

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<v Speaker 1>and so you see it making the leap over into England. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as for the Christmas tree in North America, this is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Flanders writes that it may have been here in North

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<v Speaker 1>America as soon as seventeen eighty six. Quote in North

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina that year a member of the Morovian Brethren accused

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<v Speaker 1>an apprentice of cutting down a small pine tree Christmas Eve,

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<v Speaker 1>the day on which trees were customarily erected in Germany. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's also evidence of one in Georgia in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>o five. So this is this is interesting. We often

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<v Speaker 1>think of of of things sort of you know, establishing

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<v Speaker 1>themselves in England and then becoming a thing here in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. Uh, you know, but of course there

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<v Speaker 1>were people from from various European countries coming into North America,

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<v Speaker 1>so it ultimately makes perfect sense that the Christmas tree

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<v Speaker 1>would arrive here around the same time or even a

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<v Speaker 1>little earlier. Well. Yeah, so, based on what I've reading,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like Christmas trees really started making their way

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States, being brought with German immigrants, not

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<v Speaker 1>not so much coming directly from England. The few people

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<v Speaker 1>in England were trying to pick it up. Um, it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like the German immigrants would bring them in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, but they weren't taken up as

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<v Speaker 1>readily among the general population as you might imagine, And

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<v Speaker 1>there was basically a history of religious discrimination against Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>trees and other types of Christmas celebrations. After all, many

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<v Speaker 1>of the early settlers of eastern the eastern North American

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<v Speaker 1>colonies were English Puritans, who, most of the time, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not fans of the sort of you know, beastie old

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<v Speaker 1>pagan implications of a hallowed tree. You know, they were thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna put a tree up in your house,

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<v Speaker 1>why not just celebrate Christmas by having a decapitation contest

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<v Speaker 1>green Night. Uh So, and a few examples of this.

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<v Speaker 1>William Bradford, you know, the King of the Puritans, the

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<v Speaker 1>pilgrim governor of the Plymouth Colony. Uh. He was famous

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<v Speaker 1>slash infamous, depending on your point of view. Apparently in

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<v Speaker 1>one instance, Bradford just went ballistic and chewed out a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of people in the Plymouth Colony for trying to

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<v Speaker 1>take the day off on Christmas. So you know, Bob

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<v Speaker 1>Cratchit's out in the street hanging out on Christmas morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bradford sees him and just his eyes glow red. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he's writing incredulously that instead of working, he

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<v Speaker 1>found people on Christmas Day, quote in the street at

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<v Speaker 1>play openly, some pitching the bar and some at stool

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<v Speaker 1>ball and such like sports. And he regarded these celebrations

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<v Speaker 1>of Christmas as some kind of quote, pagan mockery of

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<v Speaker 1>God and the spirit of Jesus. So I think Bradford's

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<v Speaker 1>idea of Christmas is you go to work and then

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you go to church. But you you you do

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<v Speaker 1>not decorate, you do not play, you do not take

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<v Speaker 1>the day off, you do not sing. That that is

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<v Speaker 1>all satanic mischief. Yeah, he really sounds like the grand here. Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were some other examples that I found cited

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<v Speaker 1>in a in a history dot com article I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading called the History of Christmas Tree. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>them was about Oliver Cromwell, not in the colonies but

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<v Speaker 1>back in England, English Puritan leader, one of the victors

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<v Speaker 1>of the English Civil War and becoming Lord Protector. He

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<v Speaker 1>he did not like what he called the heathen traditions

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<v Speaker 1>of things like Christmas carols, or decoration of trees or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, running around acting Mary that that was all

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<v Speaker 1>kind of desecration of what he called the sacred event

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<v Speaker 1>of Christmas. Um And this article also says quote in

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen fifty nine, the General Court of Massachusetts enacted a

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<v Speaker 1>law making any observance of December twenty five other than

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<v Speaker 1>a church service a penal offense. People were fined for

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<v Speaker 1>hanging decorations. The Stern Solemnity continued until the nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>when the influx of German and Irish immigrants undermine the

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<v Speaker 1>Puritan legacy. Oh man, this this is rich again, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at some of the like legitimate angst

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<v Speaker 1>that emerges around you know, so called wars on Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>and so today, Oh well, it's this is funny because

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<v Speaker 1>while I was reading about this, looking at for these

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<v Speaker 1>historical sources, I also just happened to stumble across like

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<v Speaker 1>fundamentalist Christian blogs called things like Christmas Tree Truth and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. They're still railing against Christmas trees as

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<v Speaker 1>a as a trap door into some kind of covert

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<v Speaker 1>satanic mass. It was, Yeah, that that's a whole corner

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<v Speaker 1>of the Internet that is worth exploring. Yeah, Christmas trees

0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:19.720
<v Speaker 1>are just a gateway to find joy and other satanic concepts. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But so by the mid to late eighteen hundreds, there

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<v Speaker 1>there had been a real transition. By the late eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas trees started becoming popular in homes throughout the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>not just among German immigrants and their descendants. Christmas became

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<v Speaker 1>a federally recognized national holiday in eighteen seventy I think

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<v Speaker 1>that was signed into law by Grant. And so, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>as Christmas and Christmas trees became more mainstream, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not necessarily part of an immigrant community who has

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<v Speaker 1>a centuries long tradition of how exactly to festoon the

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<v Speaker 1>branches you know, going back to your grandparents and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>the question is going to become, how do you decorate

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<v Speaker 1>this thing? Well, you know, we're talking about Christmas tree lights,

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<v Speaker 1>so the immediate predecessor to electric Christmas tree lights, it's

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<v Speaker 1>of course going to be candles accentuated. This is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't really thought about this, but accentuated by special

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<v Speaker 1>glass beads that were strung around the tree. Uh Flanders

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned this, pointing out that to check glassblowers specialized in

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<v Speaker 1>these not only were they beautiful, but there were there

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<v Speaker 1>were something they were actually something on the tree that

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<v Speaker 1>would not burn if things got out of control. Because

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<v Speaker 1>of course, fire is a big risk when you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about decorating a tree with little candles, and it's it's actually,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I knew this innately, like that's dangerous. That

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like an out of control fire waiting to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>But I hadn't really thought about all the various ways

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<v Speaker 1>in which it is dangerous. Uh Flanders points out that that,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, with candle lights and hearth fires in general,

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<v Speaker 1>fire was just a much greater daily risk back then.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you had these little candles wired tied to

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<v Speaker 1>individual tree branches, which again in and of itself dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>But then as the candles melt, their weight alters and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and so so that's going to alter the tilt

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<v Speaker 1>of the branch that they're fixed to. Um, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, potentially move moving that little ball of fire

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<v Speaker 1>around and putting it in contact with other branches and

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<v Speaker 1>decorations and things. On top of that, wax is dripping

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<v Speaker 1>down from these candles onto lower branches, and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>and uh in increasing their weight as well. So the risks,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, go way beyond merely you know, a situation

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<v Speaker 1>of candles balanced in a dried out tree, it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>a moving system to contend with with with branches with

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<v Speaker 1>one candle slowly moving up branches beneath, slowly dipping down

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<v Speaker 1>with accumulating wax. Um. It's frightening, yeah, so Flanders writes quote.

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<v Speaker 1>A series of innovations and contrivances designed to hold each

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<v Speaker 1>candle in place with greater stability appeared over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>but a litt tree was never a safe tree. Many

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<v Speaker 1>households lit their candles only once on Christmas Eve, prudently

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<v Speaker 1>keeping the hand water and a stick with a sponge

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<v Speaker 1>on the end of it um, which sounds great, like

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<v Speaker 1>that that should be like a Christmas character, that should

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<v Speaker 1>be like have its own decoration like the the sponge

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<v Speaker 1>stick guy for putting out the tree fire calls to

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<v Speaker 1>mind weird associations with the crucifixion scene in the Sponge Yeah. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>so obviously again this is terribly dangerous situation. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is the immediate predecessor to the electric Christmas tree lights,

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<v Speaker 1>So this we can basically look back to the late

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen hundreds on this one. In eighty two, the Edison

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<v Speaker 1>Illuminating Company built the world's first electrical power station, and

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<v Speaker 1>four months later they lit up a Christmas tree. It

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<v Speaker 1>consisted of eighty red, white, and blue bulbs and was

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<v Speaker 1>installed in the home of Edward H. John, an inventor

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<v Speaker 1>and Edison's business partner. But at this point electricity was

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<v Speaker 1>simply not established enough for regular folks to get in

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<v Speaker 1>on the action. This was a special tree, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was only for special events and places such as an

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<v Speaker 1>electric tree erected in the children's ward of the New

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<v Speaker 1>York City Hospital or in the White House put up

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<v Speaker 1>an electric tree. This would have been Grover Cleveland's White

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<v Speaker 1>House hundreds of multicolored electric bulbs. According to the Library

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<v Speaker 1>of Congress. Some historians credit this tree was spurring the

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<v Speaker 1>acceptance of indoor Christmas tree lights. But still you had

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<v Speaker 1>to be either rich or an electricity nut, or I

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<v Speaker 1>guess ideally both to have this sort of lighting set

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<v Speaker 1>up at that time. According to the Library of Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>a light uh to light an average Christmas tree with

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<v Speaker 1>electric lights before nineteen o three would have cost something

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<v Speaker 1>like two thousand dollars in today's dollars. But but then

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<v Speaker 1>at the turn of the century, General Electric buys out

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<v Speaker 1>at A and and in nineteen o three they begin

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<v Speaker 1>offering pre assembled kits of Christmas lights. Okay, sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to imagine. So one of the things that pre

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<v Speaker 1>dated electric lighting indoors and homes was you would have

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<v Speaker 1>gas supplied lamps, right, so you'd actually kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>the wiring in today's home. You'd run gas pipes up

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<v Speaker 1>through the walls and they'd have a little output where

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<v Speaker 1>you could attach a lamp and that they would be

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<v Speaker 1>powered indoors. Could you have a gas powered Christmas tree?

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<v Speaker 1>So like the gas pipe runs up the trunk and

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<v Speaker 1>then it goes out through some of the branches, they're

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<v Speaker 1>just pipes around through them, and then they're just lamps

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<v Speaker 1>all up and down. I like this idea of an

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<v Speaker 1>unholy gas punk Christmas tree. Um I did not. She

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<v Speaker 1>does not mention it as being a reality. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>there's gotta be some wacky and inventor who who tried

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<v Speaker 1>it and exploded. If not, I really just doubt the

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<v Speaker 1>ambition of inventors in the eighteen eighties. Um So, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>they put out this kit and Fleming quotes the brochure

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<v Speaker 1>that comes with it. It says, quote, miniature incandescent lamps

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<v Speaker 1>have perfectly adapted to Christmas tree lighting. The element of

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<v Speaker 1>danger I have a present with candles. It's entirely removed,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the inconvenience of grease, smoke and dirt.

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<v Speaker 1>The lamps are all lighted at once by turning of

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<v Speaker 1>a switch, will burn as long as desired without attention,

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<v Speaker 1>and can be readily extinguished. No stick with a sponge required.

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 1>That sounds far preferable. Flanders details This is a string

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:32.119
<v Speaker 1>of twenty eight one candle power miniature Edison lamps. It

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:35.399
<v Speaker 1>costs twelve dollars and I believe that breaks down to

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:38.439
<v Speaker 1>something like three fifty dollars in today's money, which, to

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 1>be clear, is is the sort of some people are

0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 1>still paying and well beyond that for their various holiday decorations.

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 1>When you were growing up, was there anybody in the

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.560
<v Speaker 1>town where you lived who was like the house that

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:52.399
<v Speaker 1>everybody in town knew about it would just go bonkers

0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:54.880
<v Speaker 1>at Christmas and put up what looks like a million

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 1>dollars worth of Christmas decorations in the yard and everybody

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:00.879
<v Speaker 1>dry by at night. Yeah. Yeah, there were several of

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:04.120
<v Speaker 1>those grizzwoll households around you would have you would drive

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.480
<v Speaker 1>out to see them. They were destinations. Of course. Now

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.679
<v Speaker 1>we have so many inflatable decorations, which are cool, but

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that takes takes away some It doesn't

0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:16.360
<v Speaker 1>take anything away from the decorations, obviously, but uh, there

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 1>are all these other exciting ways to decorate a house

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:22.439
<v Speaker 1>for the holidays now that don't necessarily involve lights. But

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:24.879
<v Speaker 1>at the time, even in nineteen o three, it sounds

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 1>like you had some pretty cool options. Flaming points, uh

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>to some Austrian produced strings of lights quote with bulbs

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>shaped like fruit flowers and animals or snowmen or Santa's

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:40.000
<v Speaker 1>And the cool thing about these these were apparently battery

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:43.280
<v Speaker 1>powered and could be used in houses that didn't have electricity,

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:46.440
<v Speaker 1>which is which is again an interesting innovation because again

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteen o three, Yeah, and by the start of War

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:53.920
<v Speaker 1>War one, around nineteen fourteen, prices dropped to the affordable

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.919
<v Speaker 1>range of a dollar seventy five, So it just became

0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.800
<v Speaker 1>you can just see the situation. More and more houses

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 1>are getting electricity, more and more households are cool with

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 1>the idea of having electricity in in the home on

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 1>the Christmas tree. I also understand that there was an

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 1>insurance boost to having electric lights in your tree as

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 1>opposed to candles, and then it just becomes more and

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.159
<v Speaker 1>more affordable, so more and more people buy into this.

0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 1>According to the Library of Congress, American Albert Sedaka also

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>helped popularize tree lights. His family owned a novelty lighting store,

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 1>so he was well positioned to cash in on this

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 1>as a teenager in nineteen seventeen, he reportedly realized the

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:38.200
<v Speaker 1>demand and in nineteen twenty uh Albert and his brothers

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:43.639
<v Speaker 1>organized the National Outfit Manufacturers Association, or NOMA, which became

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>the Noma Electric Company, and they ended up cornering the

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Christmas light market until the nineteen sixties, and NOMA was

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 1>responsible for a number of key innovations during their reign

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 1>of Christmas terror, uh, including bubble lights. Do you remember

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 1>bubble lights, Joe? I don't know what that is now,

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:04.919
<v Speaker 1>you know? Okay? I believe I had an aunt or

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>two even that still had these on their trees when

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I was a kid. Uh. These were a nine innovation,

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>these were Uh. These consisted of liquid feel filled vials

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:20.720
<v Speaker 1>of toxic methylene chloride, and methylene chloride has a very

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.439
<v Speaker 1>low boiling point, so the heat of an electric bulb

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 1>is enough to make it bubble, which looks cool on

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a Christmas tree. But again, toxic vials of bubbling liquid.

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Methylene chloride is also known as di chloro methane and

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>it I think it is used as a paint thinner

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>or like a paint stripper. Yeah. So um, I'm I'm

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 1>not jealous that I don't have these in my house. Um.

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not sure there might be some more acceptable

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 1>form of bubble lights out there today, But I would

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 1>love to hear from anyone out there who has memories

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>of bubble lights uh or has some sort of updated

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>version of the technology now or just anybody who has

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>has memories of older models of Christmas tree lighting, because

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>of course nowadays it's all pretty much l ed. Uh.

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 1>They system seems to be pretty much refined, The technology

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 1>seems to be pretty stable, with just varying degrees of

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>like smart technology involved in how they function. Like I

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>think you can nowadays you can get an artificial tree

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.719
<v Speaker 1>with lighting still you know, already installed on it, and

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>you can just you can decide like the frequency of

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 1>the twinkle. You can decide like what the the colors

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 1>are gonna be, just you know, on the fly. Oh,

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>sorry to whip us back. I think I just remember

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>another use of dichlora methane, which I think it's the

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>liquid that's in the dippy bird. Oh oh oh yeah,

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 1>the the dippy bird, the the water drinking a bird automaton. Yeah,

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 1>well there you go. That makes sense. Well, anyway, I'm

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna order some dangerous vintage bubble lights. I'm sure you

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>can get the money. Oh, be careful, please be careful

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 1>out there. Um. You know, I'd also love to hear

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>from anybody who still decorates at all with candles. Um.

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I imagine some people still do this, at least for

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 1>that one lighting, But I just don't know. I don't

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 1>think I'm brave enough to try it, even if I

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 1>did have a sponge on a stick. Than okay, so

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 1>put down your sponge on the stick, because I want

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 1>you to picture another element of a classic Christmas tree picture,

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 1>like the vintage nineteen fifties American Christmas tree, the kind

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 1>of like you'd see in a Christmas story and that

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. But what do you see when you

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 1>picture that in your mind? Maybe these multicolored electric lights,

0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:33.720
<v Speaker 1>maybe big old ball shaped ornaments, kind of making the

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 1>branches all drooped down under their weight. And then there's

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 1>that other stuff, stuff that makes it look like the

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 1>tree is dripping shiny metallic gack like a cassette tape

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 1>has barfed silver pasta all over the festive branches. Yes,

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>and and over the floor and um and just over

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 1>the house in general. Uh. You're talking, of course, about

0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>about Tinsel or I think when I was growing up

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>we called him icicle Us for some reason. But Tinsel, Yes.

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 1>So I've got to start off by saying, I don't

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 1>know how many people still actually use this stuff, but

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I do know it still exists, you can buy it.

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 1>I looked it up, but I'm mainly associated with Christmas trees.

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 1>You would see an old polaroids from boomer childhood's. Yeah,

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>we we definitely used it. I was talking about tinsel

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 1>with my wife last night and in both of our

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 1>households growing up. Yeah, we just tinseled the hell out

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 1>of those trees, like it looked like somebody had and

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>just she lacked them with with with shiny metal drippings.

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 1>So what is tinsel and where did it come from

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and where did it go? Well, so remember that the

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>tradition of the Christmas tree, it ties into even older traditions,

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 1>but it goes back at least as far as the

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>sixteenth century in Germany. Um So, so what came before

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>tinsel in this context apparently literal icicles, because one thing

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I've read is that a common understanding of the purpose

0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 1>of tinsel is to resemble ice sickles hanging from the

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>branches of an evergreen tree and glimmering in the sun. Now,

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>if the tree is inside your house, it will not

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>do to have icicles hanging from it, unless you have

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 1>a really really cold house or you don't mind having

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>a really wet floor after they melt. So this is

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 1>the next best thing, right, shiny glittering filaments that reflect

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:24.959
<v Speaker 1>the firelight and make your tree twinkle with Christmas cheer. Absolutely,

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of an upgrading of those check beads

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>that we talked about earlier, right, right, those were glass beads, right, Uh,

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>so these are originally going to be very metal. I

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 1>was reading, um, not metal like metal music they've made

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 1>of metal. I was reading a Mental Floss article about

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>this by Michelle deb Chack about the history of of

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>tins along Christmas trees, and she puts out a few

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>interesting facts, one of which is that today tinsel is

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 1>very cheap, you know, I looked it up. You can

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>get it from Target for three dollars for a packet

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 1>or something. But it was once absolutely a luxury item,

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 1>much like Christmas lights themselves. In seventeenth century Germany, there

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>are records of trees being decorated with pressed strips made

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>from real silver. And remember, you know, one of the

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 1>classic appeals of silver and gold is the way they

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 1>could shine beautifully. They'd reflect the light in a way

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>that was pretty. And this was before the invention of

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>cheaper metal and plastic foils. So I was looking for

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>more on the history here of about tinsel, and I

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>found an interesting book by Bernd Brunner called Inventing the

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Christmas Tree, published by Yale University Press in and Brunner

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>has some interesting things to point out here. Brunner says

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:40.400
<v Speaker 1>that quote tinsel was probably inspired by the so called

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Leonie drata, which he says was introduced by Huguenots. From Leon,

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 1>I think Leonisha drata means Leonese wire, and this would

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>be quote silver or gold plated copper wire that was

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 1>originally a byproduct of metal work. It is reminiscent of

0:33:57.200 --> 0:34:00.720
<v Speaker 1>the silver thread that was woven into church estimates in

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the Middle Ages for a long time. Tinsel, also called

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 1>silver plated sauerkraut in colloquial German, was cut from tinfoil.

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>It is reminiscent of a thin icicle, but it could

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 1>just as well bring forth summary associations. And then he

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 1>quotes a German writer who's a like a German realist

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 1>author named Theodore Storm in a passage from eighteen eighty

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 1>four where he's describing some stuff going on around Christmas.

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>He says, quote on the Sunday before Christmas, my friend

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Peterson brought a sack filled with a marvelous silver thread.

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 1>The tree wrapped in this fine silver thread looked like

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 1>a flying summer. But Brunner also notes that a variation

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 1>on the silver tinsel was known as angels hair, fairies hair,

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:49.919
<v Speaker 1>or Baby Jesus's hair, and he says this was also

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:54.360
<v Speaker 1>a type of fine metal thread. Ah, now that's that's Internet.

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 1>First of all, I mean, I just I'm picturing Jesus,

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 1>adult Jesus with like a full head and beard of

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:03.320
<v Speaker 1>like straight up silver metal hair. But it also reminds

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 1>me um. I remember talking to some of them, the

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Czech Republican They're talking about the tradition of the baby

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Jesus lowering gifts down. I think kind of like a

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>golden or metallic string. So I wonder if that's connected

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 1>to this tradition, like Jesus with a fishing pole like

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 1>the man on the moon kind of, I guess I'm

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:25.360
<v Speaker 1>down Baby Jesus from on high using like the silver

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 1>corn really like a space elevator. That's very good. But

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 1>so to come back to this the silver tinsil, So

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:38.360
<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of problems with genuine silver tinseil.

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 1>One of the obvious ones I mentioned already is how

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 1>expensive it would have been. But also deb Check points

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>out another thing, which is that silver tarnishes very quickly,

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:48.399
<v Speaker 1>so if you put it up on the Christmas tree,

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 1>it might tarnish before Christmas actually came around. Okay, So

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 1>but then again, if you're if you're putting up your

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 1>tree on the like the traditional German Christmas Eve erection night,

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>then it makes sense. I mean, they don't call it

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:05.279
<v Speaker 1>erection night obviously, but I mean that is the night

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 1>that you erect the Christmas tree. Okay, Yeah, maybe I'm

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 1>not sure when exactly the tinsel would go up in

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>in what context. But but you know, there were problems

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 1>with it maintaining it's it's sheen for as long as

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 1>you would want it to, especially since it's expensive stuff.

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, this might be problems with trying to

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>use it year after year. If it was nade of

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 1>actual silver, you would probably want to do that, right.

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.680
<v Speaker 1>But in the early nineteen hundreds of manufacturers in the

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 1>United States were making tinsel out of cheaper and more

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 1>durable shiny metals like aluminum and copper, but there were

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:44.800
<v Speaker 1>still some problems with the new models because aluminum paper

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 1>based tinsel was highly flammable. Again, this is going to

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 1>cause problems when you want to light up your tree, right.

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:55.360
<v Speaker 1>But then also during World War One, copper was in

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 1>high demand for wartime production, and so that made it

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 1>a poor choice for you know, for of qlidies like

0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:04.319
<v Speaker 1>holiday decorations. So so what could come in to save

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the day? What other medals could come in to be

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:10.800
<v Speaker 1>your cuddle friend for Christmas time? Oh? I don't know, um,

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I know, you know where I'm going with this. Not lead, yep, lead?

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Uh So, to read from teb Jack's article here, quote

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:24.360
<v Speaker 1>lead revive tinsel from obscurity, and soon it was embraced

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:27.880
<v Speaker 1>as a standard Christmas component along with ornaments and electric lights.

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>It became so popular in the nineteen fifties and sixties

0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.280
<v Speaker 1>that tinsel is often thought of as a mid century

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 1>fad rather than a tradition that's been around as long

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:40.640
<v Speaker 1>as Christmas trees themselves. With so many synthetic decorations becoming

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:44.320
<v Speaker 1>available around Christmas time, tinsel made from metal was considered

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>one of the safer items to have in the home.

0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:50.840
<v Speaker 1>A nineteen fifty nine newspaper article on holiday safety reads

0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 1>quote tinsel was fairly safe because even if the kiddies

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 1>decided to swallow it, it will not cause poisoning. Uh. Folks,

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.919
<v Speaker 1>you you probably should not use tinsel based on lead

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>at all, and you definitely should not let the kiddies

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 1>decide to swallow it. Um. And this became quite clear,

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 1>obviously by the end of the sixties. I mean, starting

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>in the mid sixties you had great scientists like Claire C. Patterson, Uh,

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Lord of Lead, who we've talked about before,

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>talking about the the dangers of lead in the environment

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>and dangers of lead being incorporated into the body. By

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>the early seventies, the message was really out and there was,

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, widespread backlash against the total infiltration of lead

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 1>into every corner of our existence. I mean, this is

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>the era when you get like the banning of leaded

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 1>gasoline and things like that. Um. And of course, of course,

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.279
<v Speaker 1>this eventually also lead to the discontinuation of lead in

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:49.360
<v Speaker 1>many consumer goods, including tenseil. So if you buy tenseil today,

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 1>it's probably gonna be made out of milar or polyvinyl

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 1>chloride with the shiny finish. Uh. You know, you're gonna

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 1>get probably some kind of plastic product. But despite the

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 1>fact that you can still buy it, I have noticed

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't really see it very much anymore. I mean,

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:08.040
<v Speaker 1>obviously somebody still using it because you can still get it.

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 1>But like my question is what happened to tinsel? I

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 1>wonder if modern versions of it just have too many

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:21.200
<v Speaker 1>associations with like the post war plastic boom kind of energy,

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:25.319
<v Speaker 1>if it just seems too synthetic. Because Brunner writes of

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 1>a countervailing force against tinsel in all of its forms

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:31.320
<v Speaker 1>in In one paragraph in his book, he says, quote

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the eighteen seventies, there is documentation

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 1>from Corinthian gael Valley in southern Austria, that a thick spruce,

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 1>free of all decoration, was placed in the corner of

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a farmstead as a sign of silent joy. On frosty

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:50.320
<v Speaker 1>cold winter mornings. The tree, now covered with little icicles

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and illuminated by the sun's rays, shimmered like a Christmas

0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>tree covered in lights, without any tensil or fairi's hair.

0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:01.319
<v Speaker 1>The wild beauty of the tree suffice and this kind

0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:02.839
<v Speaker 1>of brings us back to what we were talking about

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 1>at the beginning, like the fake tree versus the real tree.

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel that real tree drive, even though

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 1>habits have prevented me from ever going there, and the

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.959
<v Speaker 1>real tree drive, I think feeds into a maybe maybe

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:20.279
<v Speaker 1>a more total rejection of things that remind you of

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 1>synthetic industrial products when you're decorating for Christmas. Yeah, I

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>do admire those really organic trees you see sometimes where

0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 1>they're they're using my strong popcorn around it, and and yeah,

0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:35.359
<v Speaker 1>maybe getting back to the use of apples and and

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:38.799
<v Speaker 1>so forth. Uh, you know it's yeah, I do like

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>that the idea that you could basically just eat the

0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 1>whole tree after after Christmas, just eat it up or

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>just I guess it's you know, completely compostable to some

0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>degree as well, that let the fungus have it. Uh.

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.480
<v Speaker 1>But there's one more passage I want to read before

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 1>we move on. This doesn't really have much to do

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 1>with tensil, but I was reading parts of this book,

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Inventing the Christmas Tree by Burned Burner, and um I

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:06.799
<v Speaker 1>came across one section where I met the hannibal lecter

0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 1>of Christmas, just the most astonishingly anal retentive Christmas fanatic

0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>in history. Do you mind if I read this just

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 1>because I thought it was let's let's do it, let's

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 1>lean into the holidays. Yeah, okay, okay, So this is Brunner,

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 1>This is Bruner himself writing this introduction to the passage.

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<v Speaker 1>Bruner says some specialists transformed decoration of the Christmas tree

0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:32.600
<v Speaker 1>into an exceptional skill. Among them was the German Hugo Elm, who,

0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 1>in his eight seventy eight Golden Christmas Book made a

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:40.720
<v Speaker 1>plea for quote a tasteful separation of the numerous decorations

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 1>on the tree. In order to avoid a bland hodgepodge.

0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>He suggested the following steps, precisely designed for the anatomy

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 1>of the tree and the load capacity of its branches,

0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 1>And here the quote begins. Decorations should begin with the

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:59.279
<v Speaker 1>heaviest objects, which are best placed near the trunk and

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a branch. Next one should place

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:06.879
<v Speaker 1>the nuts. Place silver and gold nuts, alternating about three

0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 1>to four pieces on the longer and two to three

0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:13.360
<v Speaker 1>on the shorter branches, and on the top smallest branches

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 1>only one each. The golden and silver pine cones, in contrast,

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 1>should be placed farther forward. In the second third of

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>the branch, as calculated from the trunk outward. Marzipan and

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 1>sweets are best placed in between two nuts. Shiny glass balls,

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 1>fruits and the like are to be placed preferably on

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 1>the upper branches in order to enjoy the effect of

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 1>their refracting rays of light. Metal coils and tinsel are

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.600
<v Speaker 1>spread out at the tips of the secondary branches, for

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.520
<v Speaker 1>these are thinner and are more likely to sway than

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 1>the thicker main branches, and small baskets and nets made

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 1>of paper are placed on secondary branches. The individual stars

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 1>should be distributed evenly, while the strings of alternating nuts,

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 1>draw stars, paper and similar are to be wound around

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 1>the branches, and distributed paper bags should always be put

0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:10.760
<v Speaker 1>on the tips of the branches, ideally beneath the lights.

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 1>At the top of the tree, one customarily puts a

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:17.359
<v Speaker 1>large star made of cardboard covered with golden paper, in

0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 1>which one glues either a self made or bought Christmas angel,

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:24.840
<v Speaker 1>a thick tone with golden fringe, and an old Gothic

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 1>script displaying the Sublime Christmas saying glory to God in

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the high also looks magnificent. Once the lights have been

0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 1>put on the tree. The tops of the branches can

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:38.799
<v Speaker 1>be covered with loosely pulled cotton and these then affixed

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 1>with silver thread. This is my design. Okay, so here's

0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:47.760
<v Speaker 1>my idea. Actually, in the tradition of Batman versus Superman,

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Freddie versus Jason, Godzilla versus King Kong, we've got to

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 1>have a big movie Christmas extravaganza. Hugo Elm versus William Bradford,

0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:02.239
<v Speaker 1>the Man who Hated Chrismus versus the Man who will

0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 1>kill you if you put the nuts and the stars

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:10.160
<v Speaker 1>in the wrong order. Oh wow, wow, Yeah, I love

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 1>that reading. It's just so um pedantic, so so tyrannical.

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Concerning the decoration of the Christmas tree. Right there at

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 1>the end though, he mentioned the star, the angel, the

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:35.920
<v Speaker 1>tree topper. Joe, what's what's your treetopper? Oh? Um, you know,

0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the answer. I could go check right now.

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Let me let me go check some waiting music in

0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the meantime. All right, I may have caught him in alive.

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:53.359
<v Speaker 1>There may be no Christmas tree and he's not coming back.

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:02.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh it's anticlimactic. The star, Yeah, the star and the

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 1>angel are are typical. You do see some other quirky

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Christmas tree toppers. I I have some family members to

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.759
<v Speaker 1>use a tartists at the top of their tree. They can.

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 1>They consider that the pinnacle um. But of course one

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 1>of the big ones is is either the star or

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the Angel. So for our final section in this episode,

0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk about the angelic tree topper. So

0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>remember when we discussed the Victorian Christmas tree. Apparently was

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:31.400
<v Speaker 1>during this time that the angel really became popular as

0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:34.320
<v Speaker 1>a Christmas tree topper, and it remains a popular choice

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 1>to this day. Though for the most part, these are

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:40.359
<v Speaker 1>generally the most boring sort of angelic depictions you could

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 1>ask for, never the fearsome or surreal angels that one

0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:47.960
<v Speaker 1>often finds another treatments and art and artistry, and even

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:51.680
<v Speaker 1>in um sacred literature. Now, these are generally like little

0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>dress up dolls with wings in a halo. This is

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:57.879
<v Speaker 1>not the terrifying messenger who carves the seven Pas into

0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Dante's forehead, right right, which again I say missed opportunity there.

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:04.359
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to hear from anyone who has a more

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:06.560
<v Speaker 1>terrifying angel at the top of their tree. I guess

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:08.400
<v Speaker 1>you could put. I know they have ornaments of the

0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:11.440
<v Speaker 1>what what are they? The weeping angels from doctor who?

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:14.399
<v Speaker 1>So maybe some uh, some doctor who fans out there

0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:16.400
<v Speaker 1>have have those at the top. Oh, that's not a

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:20.760
<v Speaker 1>bad idea, but uh, to discuss what came before this

0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:23.839
<v Speaker 1>this invention, basically reasoning, this is an excuse to talk

0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 1>about angels and Christmas tree angels. Basically, the angel at

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:29.279
<v Speaker 1>the top of the Christmas tree is there because the

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:33.319
<v Speaker 1>Angel Gabriel factors into the Christmas story. Gabriel is the

0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Angel of annunciation, the messenger of the Almighty God that

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 1>informs Mary that she is pregnant with the Son of God.

0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 1>And just to give you a taste of the the

0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:45.600
<v Speaker 1>original Bible literature here, this is from the King James

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:50.439
<v Speaker 1>version uh Luke one six three, and in the sixth month,

0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.360
<v Speaker 1>the Angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:57.960
<v Speaker 1>of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin in espouse, to

0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 1>a man whose name was Joseph of the House of David,

0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and the virgin's name was Mary. I believe it's also

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 1>in the Gospel of Luke that the Angel later at

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:09.360
<v Speaker 1>the birth of Jesus appears to the shepherds and tells

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:11.760
<v Speaker 1>them the good news that I'm unto them. My savior

0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 1>is born right, and I think that that if I'm

0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 1>not mistaken. That angel is not named, but it's often

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 1>assumed that it might be the same angel, or I

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:22.080
<v Speaker 1>guess maybe angels working for Gabriel. Uh, it's all a

0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 1>little vague, but but Gabriel is often referred to as

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.360
<v Speaker 1>the Harold a k A Harald Angel. You may have

0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:31.359
<v Speaker 1>heard of him. He's been heart the Herald Angel sings um.

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:36.080
<v Speaker 1>But Gabriel is also sometimes referred to as the Angel

0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 1>of Death or though the the one who will blow

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:41.319
<v Speaker 1>the final trumpet before the end of time. He's also

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:44.879
<v Speaker 1>sometimes described as a deathbad angel who eases people into

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:50.399
<v Speaker 1>the next life. Yeah, the actual characteristics and individual identities

0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:53.920
<v Speaker 1>of the angels and their hierarchies are not really explored

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:57.839
<v Speaker 1>in what's usually considered canonical biblical literature, but a lot

0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:01.360
<v Speaker 1>of sort of apocryphal and you know, extra canonical works.

0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Now here's a fun fact. According to Carol Rose, who

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:07.759
<v Speaker 1>often refer to for various mythical and uh, you know,

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:11.760
<v Speaker 1>fanciful creatures, Rose points out that the word angel derives

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:15.120
<v Speaker 1>from the Greek anglos and would have been pronounced with

0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:17.880
<v Speaker 1>a hard G up until the end of the thirteenth century,

0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:21.040
<v Speaker 1>in line with Old English and Teutonic traditions, but then

0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:25.239
<v Speaker 1>the French influence softens it. That's interesting now when you

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 1>see the word angel appearing in like the Bible, that

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:32.000
<v Speaker 1>comes from word that originally just means messenger, so like

0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 1>the angels are the messengers of the divine realm. Yeah, yeah,

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.839
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes that message takes the form of announcing a birth.

0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it's more than the destruction of an entire city,

0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:46.720
<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. But I have to say, growing

0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:50.319
<v Speaker 1>up in Christianity, I often gravitated towards the weirdness of

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:55.319
<v Speaker 1>angels because they were supernatural outsiders, demi god like travelers,

0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 1>and there's of course a ton of interesting material built

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.240
<v Speaker 1>up around them, from their depicture and throughout hard history,

0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:04.759
<v Speaker 1>to their place in occult magic, to their treatment in

0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:09.640
<v Speaker 1>modern popular culture, and also in the spiritual warfare fundamentalist

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:12.799
<v Speaker 1>theology that was popular back in the ninety nineties, and

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's probably still popular in some circles. But

0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:19.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, the angels were just this deeply weird concept

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:23.359
<v Speaker 1>that was just an accepted aspect of religious reality. Well, yeah,

0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:26.839
<v Speaker 1>there is a funny irony and like the insistence of

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the idea of monotheism, and yet there are these heavenly

0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:34.000
<v Speaker 1>beings called angels, and you might say, well, but they're

0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:38.279
<v Speaker 1>heavenly beings but not gods. And then you just get

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 1>into sort of like hair splitting over what the meaning

0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:42.160
<v Speaker 1>of God is because a lot of the things that

0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:45.399
<v Speaker 1>are called gods and what are openly acknowledged as polytheistic

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 1>religions actually in many ways are similar to what people

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:53.200
<v Speaker 1>believe about angels. And say Christianity, Yeah, because if you're

0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:55.319
<v Speaker 1>if you were like like I was, sometimes, if you're

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>board in church and you pick up the Bible and

0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:59.640
<v Speaker 1>you're like, well, I'm gonna read some angel stories, uh,

0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:02.320
<v Speaker 1>You're to be a little disappointed because there's there's actually

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:05.760
<v Speaker 1>not much angelic action in the Bible, just a handful

0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:09.680
<v Speaker 1>of occurrences, and there's nothing to explain why they exist.

0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:13.160
<v Speaker 1>There's no origin story or anything for the angels. Though,

0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:15.360
<v Speaker 1>if you want to get into stuff outside the biblical

0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 1>canon about where the angels come from and all that,

0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 1>you get some into some wild and awesome territory. Yeah,

0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:24.000
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of a lot of great fan fiction

0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:26.960
<v Speaker 1>that it emerged throughout history about this reveal, like we

0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:30.319
<v Speaker 1>gotta explain these guys where they come from? Um so,

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:32.040
<v Speaker 1>so I was looking into this a little bit for

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:35.960
<v Speaker 1>for this episode, and I read the archangel Gabriel in

0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 1>History and Tradition by Roxana Eleana yavashi Uh and you've

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:44.719
<v Speaker 1>actually points out that the reason that angels are basically

0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 1>taken for granted both in Judaic and Christian traditions is

0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:50.600
<v Speaker 1>that you did not need to explain them. They are

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:55.279
<v Speaker 1>already part of our supernatural understanding of everyday reality in

0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:58.319
<v Speaker 1>the world. The author points out that Hebrew ideas of

0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:04.000
<v Speaker 1>angels were influenced by Babylonian angelology and and also by Zoroastrianism.

0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:07.640
<v Speaker 1>So the idea, as they explain it is that while

0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:12.080
<v Speaker 1>angelic beings, demi gods and you know, various intermediaries that

0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:15.640
<v Speaker 1>serve primarily as messengers are sometimes agents of another sort.

0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:19.600
<v Speaker 1>They certainly factor into various religious systems, including the polytheism

0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:22.719
<v Speaker 1>of ancient Egypt. You know they're there, But but while

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:27.560
<v Speaker 1>they are, they factor into polytheistic um pantheons. They are

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 1>a necessity, they write for monotheistic religions, as the monotheistic

0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:36.280
<v Speaker 1>God is ultimately faceless, or at least does not reveal

0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:39.320
<v Speaker 1>its face to humans. So for a god of God's

0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:42.000
<v Speaker 1>to do human like things, it has to send a

0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:46.160
<v Speaker 1>human like messenger. Oh yeah, that's kind of interesting. Now,

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:48.759
<v Speaker 1>I would say that the idea of the monotheistic God

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:53.200
<v Speaker 1>is a like faceless, you know, disembodied kind of spirit

0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:55.600
<v Speaker 1>that has no form of its own. Is a much

0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:58.680
<v Speaker 1>later understanding of that. I mean, I think the earlier

0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:01.360
<v Speaker 1>visions of that God would give would give him a

0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:06.759
<v Speaker 1>body and give him much more recognizably humanlike features. Right, Yeah,

0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:09.160
<v Speaker 1>And as the author points out again, you have various

0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:13.200
<v Speaker 1>messengers and agents popping up in various polytheistic religions, And

0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:16.320
<v Speaker 1>of course I instantly thought about the avatars and Hinduism,

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:19.360
<v Speaker 1>by which a single divine entity may take various forms,

0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:22.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, some much more human than others. The author

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:25.720
<v Speaker 1>points out though, that you know that this ultimately shows

0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:29.200
<v Speaker 1>the continued role of transcendence in religion. There's this increasing

0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 1>distance in religious tradition between the world of the gods

0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:35.680
<v Speaker 1>in the world of humans. So if you look back

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:37.799
<v Speaker 1>to Greek myths, uh, you know, there was a lot

0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.400
<v Speaker 1>of interplay between the gods and humans a lot of drama,

0:52:40.480 --> 0:52:43.239
<v Speaker 1>direct drama between gods and humans. You look to the

0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Egyptian model, and there's also this sense that this is

0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:49.400
<v Speaker 1>all happening in the same world in our world. But

0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:51.959
<v Speaker 1>then there's this growing distance between the place where God

0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:56.080
<v Speaker 1>is and the place where humans reside, and it then

0:52:56.160 --> 0:53:01.000
<v Speaker 1>necessitates these holy intermediaries where stead of God showing up

0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:03.040
<v Speaker 1>and saying, hey, I'm a bit ticked at you over this,

0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:06.799
<v Speaker 1>and angels like, hey, um, God sent me. Yeah, yeah,

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.600
<v Speaker 1>he's not really happy about this whole apple thing, or

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:13.040
<v Speaker 1>he said to call off the whole sacrifice your kid thing. Yeah, yeah,

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:17.439
<v Speaker 1>I just got the message to middle management. Yes. Now,

0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:19.799
<v Speaker 1>just as angels don't really have a huge presence in

0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:23.600
<v Speaker 1>the Bible, uh, they're also rarely named. Gabriel is the

0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 1>first angel mentioned in the Book of Daniel, and he

0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:28.640
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have a lot of peers. I mean mostly

0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:31.760
<v Speaker 1>it's just Michael, the archangel as the other named angel

0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:35.279
<v Speaker 1>um and as the author points out here, Gabriel winds

0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:37.719
<v Speaker 1>up doing quite a bit of the heavy lifting. He

0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:41.239
<v Speaker 1>interprets Daniel's visions in the Old Testament, he appears to

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Zacharias and announces the birth of John the Baptist in

0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the New Testament, of course, appears to marry like we

0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:50.880
<v Speaker 1>already mentioned. And then in Islamic tradition he reveals the

0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Koran to the prophet Mohammed, and of course there he

0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:58.560
<v Speaker 1>has other adventures outside of these books as well, various

0:53:58.640 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 1>you know myths, legends, even you know pop cultural examples.

0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:04.880
<v Speaker 1>For instance, Uh, Gabriel shows up in various bits of

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Jewish legend and lore, various bits of Islamic legend and lore,

0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:11.760
<v Speaker 1>so he's associated with the Moon and early Jewish writings

0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:15.839
<v Speaker 1>as well as in medieval Christian astrology. In Moroccan traditions,

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:20.520
<v Speaker 1>he is a Sidna Jebri according to Carol Rose, and

0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:22.960
<v Speaker 1>is said to have delivered to Addam all the tools

0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:26.080
<v Speaker 1>that he needed to survive outside of Paradise, which kind

0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:29.160
<v Speaker 1>of makes him sound like a Prometheus figure. Oh yeah, totally.

0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Though also I would say in the Garden of Eden story,

0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:36.440
<v Speaker 1>the serpent itself is very much a Prometheus figure. That's right, Yeah,

0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:40.120
<v Speaker 1>I read that. In Northern English traditions, there's a We've

0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:42.759
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the wild hunt and various death dogs and hell

0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 1>hounds on the show before. Uh. There are also the

0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Gabriel Hounds, which are you know, basically just death dogs

0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.440
<v Speaker 1>of the wild hunt. And then, of course we have

0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:56.400
<v Speaker 1>some very memorable performances from from recent film history in

0:54:56.440 --> 0:55:00.239
<v Speaker 1>which somebody plays Gabriel. Uh. Tilda Swinton played a ubl

0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Gabriel in two thousand fives Constantine, which um was maybe. Yeah,

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I remember it as being fun. I haven't seen it

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:10.600
<v Speaker 1>since it came out. It's a probably an imperfect adaptation

0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:13.160
<v Speaker 1>of the comic book character, but it has a lot

0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:15.799
<v Speaker 1>of fun weirdness in it. I mean, Tilda Swinton as

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 1>a rebel angel Um, oh god, what's his name? Plays

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:22.879
<v Speaker 1>the devil? Oh? He played what's his name? He played

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:27.359
<v Speaker 1>Dino Velvet in Um eight millimeter? Hold on looking it up,

0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Vigo Mortenson. No, no, you're thinking of your thinking of

0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:37.640
<v Speaker 1>the next film we're going to talk about. Oh oh geez,

0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Sorry sorry sorry. Peter Stormar, Yes, yes, he plays a

0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:47.440
<v Speaker 1>wonderful kind of like coked up Satan in that film

0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:54.840
<v Speaker 1>We believe in Nothing Gabriel Nothing. Yeah. Yeah, he's a

0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:56.879
<v Speaker 1>lot of fun in that. And of course the other

0:55:57.000 --> 0:56:00.120
<v Speaker 1>big Gabriel performance that comes to mind, Christopher walk Can

0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:03.920
<v Speaker 1>as a rebel Gabriel in three out of five Prophecy

0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:06.920
<v Speaker 1>films with the with Vigo Mortenson as the devil in

0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:09.719
<v Speaker 1>that one. Yeah, the Vigo played the devil in the

0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:12.680
<v Speaker 1>first one, and um yeah, I think what who else

0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:15.000
<v Speaker 1>was in that? A number of actors showed up in

0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:17.600
<v Speaker 1>that franchise. Oh man, I'm seeing lots of names of

0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Virginia Madson of Highlander to fame, Eric Stolts, Eric Stults,

0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:28.759
<v Speaker 1>that's right, yeah, Elias Kotaus, Amanda plumber Well and for

0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:33.280
<v Speaker 1>a written and directed by the man who wrote Highlander,

0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:40.319
<v Speaker 1>So it has strong Highlander there. Yeah, that Cannon's I mean, well,

0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:42.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like like this, Like we've said before,

0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:45.040
<v Speaker 1>there's the idea that to understand the mythology, you have

0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:48.320
<v Speaker 1>to you have to accept all forms of the mytholo.

0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:50.600
<v Speaker 1>You have to include all forms of the myth So

0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:54.720
<v Speaker 1>we ultimately have to incorporate um the Prophecy films into

0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:58.840
<v Speaker 1>our understanding of of angelic lore. I was just thinking

0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.960
<v Speaker 1>about something that this kind about maybe the sexually isn't

0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:04.080
<v Speaker 1>all that interesting, just let me put it together. So

0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:06.960
<v Speaker 1>in order to have a really good understanding of a

0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:10.280
<v Speaker 1>mythological tradition, you need to know all of the versions

0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:12.239
<v Speaker 1>of the myth that you can and hold them all

0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:14.120
<v Speaker 1>in your head at the same time, understand where they

0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:16.040
<v Speaker 1>come from, how they fit together, and how the myth

0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:19.160
<v Speaker 1>varies in in all of its different faces. But as

0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:22.240
<v Speaker 1>we talked about last time, one way in which you

0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:25.480
<v Speaker 1>have to just pick one version of the myth is

0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:28.000
<v Speaker 1>if you're going to engage in storytelling, right, because you

0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:30.320
<v Speaker 1>can't tell all versions of the story at the same time.

0:57:30.360 --> 0:57:33.480
<v Speaker 1>That's not enjoyable as a story, So you have to

0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:36.240
<v Speaker 1>pick one way there. But the other time when you

0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:38.600
<v Speaker 1>really have to pick one version of the myth is

0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 1>if it's official dogma and people have to believe it.

0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:44.440
<v Speaker 1>If people have to believe it, they have to believe

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:47.160
<v Speaker 1>it one way or another, in which case you also

0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:49.640
<v Speaker 1>have to pick one version of the story. So I

0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:52.160
<v Speaker 1>think that's kind of interesting that whether you are trying

0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:54.320
<v Speaker 1>to keep a child entertained or whether you want to

0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:56.760
<v Speaker 1>lay down the law, that's when you have to pick

0:57:56.840 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 1>one version and ignore all the others. One exception of

0:58:01.320 --> 0:58:03.600
<v Speaker 1>this that I like that you you see occurring in

0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:07.400
<v Speaker 1>various treatments, but one of the most noteworthy is probably

0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:12.120
<v Speaker 1>um that second Batman from from Christopher Nolan the one

0:58:12.120 --> 0:58:15.440
<v Speaker 1>in which Heath Ledger plays the Joker. Uh, the Joker

0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:19.240
<v Speaker 1>gives his own origin story what a couple or maybe

0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:23.120
<v Speaker 1>three different times, and it's always different. It's a play

0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:25.760
<v Speaker 1>on that. Some say they came from such and such,

0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:30.200
<v Speaker 1>some say it was this, you know, establishing multiple possible

0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:33.920
<v Speaker 1>mythologies behind a character, which which I kind of like, Well,

0:58:33.960 --> 0:58:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that Joker is uh, that does sound really cool.

0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that Heath Ledger Joker is supposed to embody

0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:46.080
<v Speaker 1>chaos and canonical unity is order. Uh. You know what

0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:48.520
<v Speaker 1>that really means is in order to understand the mythology

0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 1>you need to understand the chaos of canonical diversity. Yeah,

0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:55.920
<v Speaker 1>all right, sounds good to me. Let's let's put that

0:58:55.960 --> 0:59:00.880
<v Speaker 1>on the tree, Chaos angel go right at the top

0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:04.360
<v Speaker 1>um because again, yeah, I'd love to see some some

0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Christmas Angel tree toppers that invoked some of these other ideas.

0:59:09.240 --> 0:59:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's some really beautiful, weird visions of angels

0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:15.960
<v Speaker 1>out there, and and certainly, you know, traditional artistic treatments,

0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:19.440
<v Speaker 1>but also more modern stuff. I'm thinking about the various

0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:24.760
<v Speaker 1>like the seraphims of of Michael W. Kluda. Um. Certainly

0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:26.680
<v Speaker 1>you could put a Christopher walking up there at the top.

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that would be great. All right, Well, uh, Joe,

0:59:30.000 --> 0:59:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I think we've completely decorated this Christmas tree for the year.

0:59:33.160 --> 0:59:36.160
<v Speaker 1>The trimming is complete, and now it really it only

0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:38.640
<v Speaker 1>remains for us to put some presents underneath this tree.

0:59:38.680 --> 0:59:41.280
<v Speaker 1>And by that, I of course mean listener mail. We

0:59:41.360 --> 0:59:43.760
<v Speaker 1>would love to hear from everyone out there if you

0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:47.240
<v Speaker 1>have some sort of a Christmas tree or holiday decoration

0:59:47.320 --> 0:59:50.320
<v Speaker 1>tradition that ties into what we've discussed here. We would

0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:52.600
<v Speaker 1>love to hear from you about it. Uh. You know,

0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:55.720
<v Speaker 1>it's certainly not just Christmas decorations. I'm oh, I'm very

0:59:55.720 --> 1:00:01.320
<v Speaker 1>interested in very secular holiday decoration traditions, or some version

1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:04.480
<v Speaker 1>of holiday traditions that also meld with other systems of

1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:07.720
<v Speaker 1>faith or mythologies or fandoms. I think that's all on

1:00:07.720 --> 1:00:09.680
<v Speaker 1>the table, and I want to hear about it. Does

1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:13.640
<v Speaker 1>anybody decorate their tree according to the strict instructions of

1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Hugo Elm with no deviations whatsoever? If so, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know about that. Oh, man, I want to see

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<v Speaker 1>a Hugo Elm tree. Now, you know, it's it's basically

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<v Speaker 1>like to come back to the Bible. It's like the

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<v Speaker 1>the the instructions of how to build the tent that

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<v Speaker 1>houses the Ark of the Covenant. You know, it's so specific,

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