WEBVTT - Ron Rivera Evaluates Rookie QBs 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:06.320 And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.039 What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. Dj Buck 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.560 back with you, Buck. What's going on man? Not too much, Djay. 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.360 Middle of the week, trying to get ready hump Day, 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:18.079 trying to get on the other side to get to 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:19.640 another exciting football weekend. 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.439 Yeah, looking forward to a fun weekend of football. We 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:27.080 are going to run a conversation I had yesterday with 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.920 our colleague at the NFL Media Group, Coach Ron rivera 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.120 those that don't know, Coach rivera former head coach of 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.800 the Panthers and the Commanders, played for Chicago Bears. Really 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.960 highly respected around the league, not only as someone was 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:43.680 a good player and a really good coach, but someone 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:47.240 who was really the highest character who's just very well 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.800 regarded for how he treats people and his leadership ability. 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.920 I had a chance to visit with him Buck really 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.120 right on the heels of the trade with the Jets 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.920 acquiring DeVante Adams, so we have a chance to discuss that, 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.000 as well as his thoughts on the rookie quarterbacks, including 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:04.960 one he could have used in Washington when he was there. 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.200 In Jaydeen Daniels. So, without further ado, here's my conversation 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:14.320 with Ron RIVERA well coach. He appreciates taking the time 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.720 for us today. I guess it's fortuitous that we're going 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:20.760 to have you on and we get a big in 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.160 season trade, which we don't see a lot of in 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.000 the NFL. But just a first reaction when you heard 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.040 the news DeVante Adams no longer Raider, he's going to 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:29.080 rejoin Aaron Rodgers. 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.160 Well, my first thought was good for New York. Honestly, 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.480 I really did think that, you know, Aaron Rodgers is 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.440 going to have somebody's very comfortable with, a guy that 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.680 already knows and knows his mindset as to what he 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:42.920 wants to do with wide receivers, how he wants to 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.600 use them, what he expects of them. But I also 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:46.880 think this is a guy that's going to help their 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.840 football team more so anything else. I believe that. I 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.840 believe the offense will get better. I think what will 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.080 happen is Aaron will play with more confidence. He'll also 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:00.840 play knowing that he's got his safety, his safety valve, 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.600 he's got a guy that's very familiar with him. And 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.480 then I think he's also going to know that DeVante's 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.480 going to help that young room of receivers. He's going 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.880 to help those guys grow and develop and be better 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.760 football players just by example that he's going to set. 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.919 It's going to help the running game as well, because 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.320 the running game will not have to face as many 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.800 eight men boxes. I think it'll also help the offensive 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.360 line because there are some quick throws that he makes 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.160 to DeVante that's going to get the ball out of 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.919 the quarterback's hands. The offensive line is not going to 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.720 have to sit there and try and protect as long 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.160 as he's had to, So I think that's the plus 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.080 as far as the offense concerned. Defensively, it'll help them 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:39.799 as well. Why because I think on some of them 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.280 third downs, the drivers are going to be extended. They'll 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:47.160 spend fewer plays on the field, the offense will handle 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:48.480 the ball a little bit longer, and I think eat 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:50.400 up a little bit more clock. I think overall this 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.400 is a good thing for the New York Jets as 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.160 far as the Raiders are concerned. I think now the 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.160 players won't have to deal with the question of, Hey, 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.160 when's DeVante coming back or does he really want to 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.440 get traded? That distraction is gone. I mean, so let's 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.320 be honest about that as far as that'll be a 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.119 plus for the Raiders. Plus they get a third round 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:07.919 pick that could become a second based on a couple 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:08.640 of things happening. 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.160 I always look at it from a team building side coach, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.240 and I've always said, I think it's important that you 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.400 know what window that you're in. You know, are you 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.920 in your win now window or is your window in 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.280 the future. And understanding that from the Raiders, I thought 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:22.560 it made a lot of sense. I mean, they're not 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.720 ready right now, they need a quarterback. Their window is 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.639 often the future, whereas the Jets with Aaron's age, I 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.680 think you could say, man, that window is it's open, 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.640 but man, it's closing quickly. So I thought from a 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.960 windows standpoint, you can make an argument this was a 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:37.680 no brainer for both of these teams. 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.360 Most certainly a no brainer because again, the Jets are 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:42.600 in that win now mode. You see it based on 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.360 the fact that they have Aaron Rodgers out on the 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.800 football field. They try to, you know, spend some money 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.360 to protect him, and now they spend some money to 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.280 get him his pass catcher and that's a big move and. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:53.960 For the Raiders. You're absolutely right. 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.160 It's a young football team with a young head coach 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:58.640 that's going to go through some growing pains. But why 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:00.680 not take the time, Why not go ahead and see 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.160 if we can get as much of this draft capital 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.640 as we can get this currency that we need to 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.240 be able to build this team and get into a 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.200 great position. If you look at what happened for the Bears, 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.120 look what happened for the Commanders. You know, these are 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:14.960 teams that had a lot of draft capital to come 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.200 into this past draft, and they were able to not 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.800 only get their quarterbacks of the future as we're starting 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.080 to see, but they were also able to get them 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:23.640 some offensive weapons. 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.240 And you led me right there. That's where I wanted 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.800 to go next, because what we're seeing right now with 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.320 these rooky quarterbacks, not only the performance, but in the 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.840 teams they're having success now Drake may Will put him 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.400 off to the side. He got his first start the 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.039 other day. Spencer Rattler as well. But let's focus on 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.400 the guys that the three guys that have played a 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.840 lot this year, starting from the jump with Jayde Daniels 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.000 and Caleb Williams specifically, let's start with those two. We'll 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.200 get the bow Nicks in a minute. But the team's 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.200 success to go along with the individual success. What's been 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:53.880 most impressive there from you? 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.160 Well, I'll be honest, I thought Caleb would start off 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.440 a lot faster. I really did. He got his win, 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.640 but it really wasn't his. It was the team's win. 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.080 The defense went out, played lights out, special teams made 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.680 a huge play for them. Against Tennessee. He collects his 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.760 first win his second game. 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:11.599 It wasn't no better. 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.560 They lose a game that they had a chance to win. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.679 But then since then, he's played very well. He's gotten 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.160 better progressively, and I think a big part of it 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:20.920 has to do with the fact that I believe they've 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.320 learned how to coach him. And by that I mean 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.000 there's a little bit of a formula that people have 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.599 talked about the best way to handle a rookie, and 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.400 that is make sure you have a good running game. Okay, 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.720 that takes a lot of pressure off him, It makes 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.640 for a better play action, which is a good friend 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.600 to a young quarterback. And then get get the ball 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.480 out of his hands with quick throws. Okay, so again, 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.160 protect him, get the ball out of his hands. With 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.600 quick throws, run the football, okay, and then use play action. 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:47.480 Well, when you. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:48.960 Look at it and some of these numbers are you 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.479 know that I have. I've been tracking it the whole year, okay, 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:53.920 and you look at this thing, and this is what's interesting. 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:56.000 Daniels Jayden. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:57.760 He gets the ball out of his hands two point 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.640 six seconds from snap to release, two points seconds. It's 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.720 the fastest in the league. The league averages at two 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.520 point seventy nine. Caleb Williams is at two point eight zero, 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.320 so he's right around the average, but he's getting this 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.800 out of his hands quickly. And it's been really cool 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.480 to see because of certain things. But the one element 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:16.359 that both these young quarterbacks have that helps them is 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.520 their ability to run. Okay, Because they run the ball 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.360 and because they can extend plays, a lot more teams 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.479 are playing zone against them as opposed to man. Okay, 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:27.280 Caleb got a lot of man early on. They got 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.799 a lot of pressure against him early on. But because 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.440 he's able to tuck the ball and run and either 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.360 extend the play thrill the ball downfield. Because both these 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:39.080 guys are playing with their eyes downfield or just run it, 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:41.960 teams are saying man we gotta play zone. We got 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.320 to keep our eyes on the quarterback. And because of that, 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:49.279 their separation for the receivers has been really good. Both 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.360 Daniels and Williams have three point eight receiver separation, where 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.320 the average is three point five. So well, that's not 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.119 that big. Well, actually it is, you know, because again, 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.440 just being a step or two away from a defender 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.440 gives what looks like a big target for the quarterback. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.960 And these guys have learned to throw the ball away 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:08.400 from the leverage. So if I got a defender on 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.120 my left, they throw the ball to the receiver's right. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.400 So these guys are very good at that already. So 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.160 that's another thing that's been helping these guys an awful lot. 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:16.640 And then you know, you go to you go to 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.520 the play action, Okay, and when you look at it, 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:24.160 for the most part, Daniels, they're using his completion percentage 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.360 seventy six point one, league averages sixty seven point one. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.800 Caleb's at sixty two point eight. But again they're both 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.960 around well, one's above average and ones just slightly below. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.400 That's just telling you. Play action has been big for 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.720 both these guys, but biggest for Jayden and with his 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.680 completion rate. So that's another big plus that's been going 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.480 on with the development of this young quarterback. 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.400 It seems like coaching I was watching them, you can 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.880 look at that there's differences. Obviously, I did think Jayden 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.640 would be a little bit ahead early on, just played 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.440 so much more football than Caleb had. I think that 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:56.480 was helped him get off to a little bit of 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:57.280 a faster start. 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:01.440 Jag, that's an amazing That's an amazing comment and fact 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.840 that you made, because when we were looking at these 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.880 guys coming out of college football, one of the things 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.000 we talked about was the fact that you know, Jaden's 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.320 bounced around, He's played in four different offenses, and he's 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.560 played for five years. Yeah, because of the COVID year, 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.240 he took advantage of that. Caleb has been in the 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:23.240 same offense throughout his entire college career, has been very 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.240 successful in the same offense. So what was interesting was 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.320 I had a conversation with Cliff Kingsbury one time. I 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.400 said to Cliff, I said, what did you do to 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.640 help Jayden so much? And he said, well, Coach, one 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.520 of the things that we did was, you know, we 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.440 reached out, We talked to those folks at LSU and said, hey, 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.480 what are some of the best things he did? You know, 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.120 what can we see on tape? What should we be 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.200 looking for? And they looked at those things and they've 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.839 taken that and they've incorporated into what Cliff does. I mean, 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.840 it's brilliant about what Cliff Kingsbury has done giving his 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.480 quarterback the best. You know, a situation now, when we 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.880 drafted Cam Newton number one. You know, kudos to Mike 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.920 Shula and Rob Shazzisky. They go down to Auburn and 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.920 did the same thing. They went out and they said, hey, 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.400 let's find out what he does best. Let's take it. 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.679 And this incorporated to what we want to do. And 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:11.000 we had that in our offense for the entire time 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:14.920 Cam was there, and his success was undeniable. I mean, 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:16.560 he was the NFL Offensive Player of the Year. 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:17.080 I mean he was the. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.760 MVP because of those situations, because our coaches took the 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.199 time to find out what does he do best, didn't 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:24.959 try to force him to do something he's. 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.200 Not good at. Yeah. Absolutely, And I think when you 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.839 also watch it, coach, if you talk about the ball 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:32.719 getting out of your hands quick, it feels like when 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.800 you're just going through these games inside the pocket, hey 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.880 balls out and they're using that orbit motion what Cliff's 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.040 doing an awesome job with all the orbit motion stuff. 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:42.920 The Bears really started doing a little bit more of 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.480 that where you've got like an RPO, you've got to give, 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:47.600 you've got the orbit and then they even had a 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.000 tunnel coming inside of it. So I mean, you've got 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.480 three options there, none of which are very difficult. So 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.400 it was like quick inside the pocket, and then if 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:56.839 we want to push and we want to stress the 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.560 ball down the field, now we can use the athletes here, 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.680 get them out outside the pocket. You've really you've cut 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.840 the field in half and now they've got options to 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.120 run or they can maybe get some shots. But not 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.320 asking these guys to sit back there. We're not taking 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.720 seven step drops and asking these guys to live inside 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:13.480 the pocket and read this thing all the way out. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:15.800 You know what's crazy about that, though, is if you 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.120 get a young quarterback that has that ability, and I 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:19.839 think Jayden has a little bit of that. I think 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.480 Caleb has the ability to do it as well. But 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:27.600 when you have that opportunity to take a seven step drop, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.280 take the snap and just back up and look at 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.600 the field and if you want to make that quick throw, 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.720 you can. But if you have time, or you can 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.720 create time by extending to play with your own ability 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.440 without it being called to move the pocket and find 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.640 those guys down. So you've seen that, and you've seen 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.200 it a couple times, and his obvious target has been 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.880 Terry McLaurin, who really has been really big for him. 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:52.959 He really has. And that's one of the things that 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.880 has been very impressive too, is just his ability to 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.200 extend plays and then create off the move. 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.440 Yeah, no doubt, And I think the thread line with 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.640 these guys has been poised. And I thought early in 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.160 the season you mentioned it, Caleb got heated up. They 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.240 couldn't run the ball, they weren't protecting, they weren't communicating 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.760 up front. He was getting hit a bunch. And if 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.000 you when you go through those games, there's misses, they 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.680 weren't huge misses. And that's why I was hopeful with 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.439 Caleb Man. Jayden's playing great and people are killing Caleb. 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.000 I'm like, well, you watch it, he's getting drilled and 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.400 they're just small misses. I'm like, if they can just 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:26.800 get a little bit more on the same page, a 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.959 little more protection, take a little pressure off, or run 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.280 the ball. And then when you have some success, coach, 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.080 it's like basketball, man, you see the ball go through 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:34.240 the hoop all of a sudden, Now you get a 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:35.640 little more confident. Well. 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:37.640 And one of the things that you know, when you 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.880 want to credit the Bears, you know you have to 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.120 look at the defense because one of the things the 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:44.959 Bears are doing is they're taking the ball away at 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.079 a tremendous rate right now, and not only taking it away, 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.400 but they're putting it in scoring position. So Caleb has 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.720 that benefit of being able to use a shorter feel. 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.120 Now he's taken advantage it. They've taken advantage as an offense, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.400 and they're scoring points. When you watch Jaden, and this 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.120 is where people talk about, you know, who could be 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:05.520 the rookie of the year. And I thought Caleb would 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.319 be in the lead right now. I was wrong. Jaden 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.000 has really stepped up. Initially, he's in the lead, but 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.160 he can also be considered as somebody to talk about 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.600 as league MVP or offensive MVP. And the reason I 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.720 said is because not only is he playing well in 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.200 the offense, but he is lifting the play of his defense, 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.240 you know, getting the leads like they've had early in games. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.959 The defense has been able to cut loose and really 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.160 go out and make plays and make things happen. So 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.800 I see that for Jaden, and on the other side, 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.320 I see Caleb. He being lifted by his defense. So 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.480 you're getting two different dynamics. But it's, you know, really 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:43.000 what you expect from from from a rookie quarterback as 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:44.840 far as Caleb is, and that is to rely on 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.880 his defense. But Jayden raising the play of their defense, 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:49.240 that's pretty special. 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:53.840 Yeah, no doubt and quickly coached on bow knicks. And 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.560 it's a different situation where he is right now. I 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.480 was curious with him and Sean. Everybody had said, oh, 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.960 he's got his Drew Brees, and I'm like, well, he's not. Fully, 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.200 he's obviously not going to compare him to Drew, but 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.240 he's got some Taysom Hill to him as much as 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.200 maybe he does kind of Drew to him. So they're 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.480 moving him around. I was at that called the Charger game, 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.720 uh this last week and saw him live. In the 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.560 first three quarters, they could not I mean, they didn't 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.520 do anything. They could not move the ball at all 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.280 and then the fourth quarter he had a little magic 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:24.200 where he was running around. But it's not it's not 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.080 as as smooth as sailing as we've seen with the 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:27.480 other two guys. No, it's not. 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.960 And it's been pretty tough. And I will say this 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.480 so and and again credit to to to what they're 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.520 doing on offense because because I really do think that 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.800 he's going to be a really good quarterback. And I 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.080 think Sean's going to figure out how to how to 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:47.040 incorporate his ability to move within the pocket, because you're right, 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.720 when that young man was moving, he was making things 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.120 happen downfield, he really hasn't. Again, as he continues to 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:54.839 grow and develop as a young player, we're going to 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.320 see a lot of positive things come from his growth 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:57.960 and development. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.480 Well. And no doubt, one last thing, Coach before I 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.200 let you go, you talked about Cam. We've always used 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.320 the word hope, man, like you could be a franchise 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.240 and you can be maybe drifting or going one way 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:10.960 or the other. But man, when you hit on the 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.160 young quarterback, what type of hope? What type of energy 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.720 does that give not only to downstairs, but really throughout 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.000 the whole building in the whole city of a fan base. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:20.120 We got our guy. 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.920 I mean, I'll be honest that if I spent four 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:28.160 years in Washington looking for a guy, you know, it's unfortunate. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:32.080 You know, Alex Smith was a guy and unfortunately had 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.480 the leg injury. Those are the kind of guys you 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.880 want to find because they're smart, they're athletic, they've got 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.360 great arms, they make great decisions, they can protect a ball, 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.680 they can make plays when you need them to make plays. 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.920 And when you have that guy, everybody always believes you 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.120 have a chance. Like you said, you have hope, and 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.720 that's really important because in that building, hope is a 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.640 very powerful thing. On the field, it's even more powerful 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.960 because if you have a chance to win and you 0:14:58.040 --> 0:14:59.760 believe you have a chance to win, you're gonna win. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.920 I mean, so when we got Cam we saw glimpses 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:05.520 of it from the very first game. He throws for 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.920 over four hundred yards his first two games. It was phenomenal, 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.560 and our players started to buy in and believe. The 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.680 next year we improved, we got better, and then our 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.720 third years when we won the division, and then we 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.720 win three straight divisions and go to a super Bowl, 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.600 all because of what was created by the hope of 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:24.200 having that quarterback, having your guy. This is a quarterback 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:28.400 driven league. Everything starts with your quarterback. You have a 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.720 guy that can be a game manager, can also be 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.520 a guy that needs to make plays when you need 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.800 to have them make plays, and can protect the ball. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.240 That's going to give you every opportunity and more importantly, 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.160 like you said, hope to win football. 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.600 Games, Well, that is absolutely one hundred percent of the case. 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.640 And you saw it firsthand. Coach, You've been generous with 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.720 your time today. It's great to have you as a 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.320 teammate here at NFL Network, and hopefully we can do 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:54.480 this again soon down the road. 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:54.840 Now. 0:15:54.880 --> 0:16:03.360 I appreciate it. We'll be right back after this, all right, Buck, 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.400 It's always great to catch up with Coach Rivera and 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.080 and you know, we use that word that you and 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.120 I have used a million times, hope. Right, you get 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.400 a quarterback, you hit on them. It just provides so 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.440 much hope and energy to the entire organization. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.560 It does. It gives you an opportunity to build it 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:20.320 the right way. 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.080 We talk about the league being a quarterback driven league, 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.000 and if you have a young quarterback, we can talk 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.160 about all the posities when it comes to the Savard cap, 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:31.480 But it's about position for a decade and being able 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.920 to have that security knowing that you have the right 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.040 guy to lead your franchise. You can build it, tear 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.800 it down, rebuild it because as the quarterback is transitioning 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.360 from manager to playmaker, he can help you sustain it 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.080 when you have to kind of turn the roster over 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.000 once you commit to the big payday. 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:48.640 Yeah. 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.280 I mean, look, I think it's what every general manager, 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:52.720 what every head coach is looking for. 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.320 You're looking for that QB one. It has elite potential. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.560 He talked about with Caleb. He thought the coaching staff 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.880 had learned more how to coach and how to use 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.720 him after some time with him. What did you see 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:05.800 in studying them in the lead up to your game 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.720 last week versus what you saw live in person there 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.720 against Jacksonville first. 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.639 Three games, it appeared that, you know, the Bears are 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.320 trying to have him run their system. They were trying 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.760 to kind of put him I won't see in a box, 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.800 but they're trying to make him play traditional NFL quarterback, 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.080 and Kayley Williams is not a traditional NFL quarterback. He 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.040 has the ability to do a bunch of that stuff. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.920 But he also has some added dimensions to his game 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.040 that you want to unlock and really utilize to take 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.320 your offense to another level. What I'm seeing now is 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.840 looking he always he already talked about. They simplified it, 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.399