Speaker 1: You're tuned into The Gangster Chronicles with James McDonald, Rexie
Speaker 1: Reich Jr. And Alex tormonso on the Digital Soapbox Network
Speaker 1: material witness on an aggregated battery. I was a hang
Speaker 1: gun and um they believe this m being retaliated to
Speaker 1: her testimony. What's up, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another
Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles episode forty seven. Today. I'm not here with
Speaker 1: my co host Alex Alonzo. Uh, he had to take
Speaker 1: a break and go to court today. You know, he's
Speaker 1: working with the court, so, uh, it's just me and
Speaker 1: the day. I figured it was a good time for
Speaker 1: me to bring my brother in law here and and
Speaker 1: have him talk. I got, I got two guys actually here.
Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to that I call positive
Speaker 1: black Man, and this is what I do this show
Speaker 1: for versts. Is Harry. Harry, you want to introduce yourself
Speaker 1: to the people. Okay, my name is Harry Jackson. I'm
Speaker 1: the CEO and founder of Jackson Family Human Services, and
Speaker 1: U'm here today to talk about our business and how
Speaker 1: we're working with kids and giving people in our area
Speaker 1: access to different resources that they would have not gotten
Speaker 1: unless they win you know, was exposed to it right right,
Speaker 1: and and when I when I heard his story. First,
Speaker 1: let me give you a little background on it. The
Speaker 1: manage is not even thirty five years old yet, his
Speaker 1: wife is not even thirty five years old yet. Yet
Speaker 1: they take care of how many kids? Would you say? Okay,
Speaker 1: so we take care of eight kids, and um, we
Speaker 1: also have a family home. They care at the house
Speaker 1: where we have anywhere from nine extra kids to kids
Speaker 1: in one household. So um, we're blessed. Imagine that though,
Speaker 1: but they find he's also a firefighter. Uh, but they
Speaker 1: make time to take care of other people, other people
Speaker 1: kids were as well as they own at the same time.
Speaker 1: And it was it was so crazy listening to and
Speaker 1: talk to me and and listening to the things that
Speaker 1: he's he has a let's say, accomplished and ain't even
Speaker 1: thirty five years old. You know, y'aut there taking care
Speaker 1: of kids where it ain't too many of us out
Speaker 1: there doing it. And now that he's starting his own company,
Speaker 1: you know, to further and to get more kids. Imagine
Speaker 1: twenty one kids in your house at one time. I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, and a lot of us wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: But I wanted him on this show so he can
Speaker 1: so he can elaborate on how he's doing it and
Speaker 1: why he's doing it. And he just opened his company
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna let Harry tell you how how you
Speaker 1: doing this? Okay? So what we are is we're a
Speaker 1: U a behavioral supportive services company, and we have a
Speaker 1: daycare where we take care of kids that UM in
Speaker 1: some situations had hard time being placed at other day cares. UM.
Speaker 1: Some of our kids have their from types of behavior
Speaker 1: and they're misunderstood and we typically UM work with them.
Speaker 1: We have a board certified analysis, which is equivalent to
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist will say and UM, we believe that there's
Speaker 1: no bad kids. We don't turn away any kids. We
Speaker 1: will bring any kid in even if he was not
Speaker 1: successful at two or three daycares. UM. A lot of
Speaker 1: times people are not trained to deal with behaviors. A
Speaker 1: lot of times people don't have the patients to deal
Speaker 1: with any type of kid that's not you know perfectly,
Speaker 1: I mean according to society being perfect. UM. So that's
Speaker 1: what we do for the daycare side. UM. As far
Speaker 1: as UM our behavioral supportive services company, we are, we
Speaker 1: send behavioral therapists out to different families homes and we
Speaker 1: train families on different types of behaviors and UM it's
Speaker 1: very very important to our community and in the consumers.
Speaker 1: We serve to understand that sometimes when people have different
Speaker 1: behaviors that people are saying, like, let's any for instance,
Speaker 1: if you had a kid and he was in school
Speaker 1: and he was getting in trouble, getting in fights, there's
Speaker 1: only so many reasons why that kid is doing that.
Speaker 1: And what we would do as a company is we
Speaker 1: will come out with our behavioral analysis UM analysts, sorry,
Speaker 1: and she will do about a six to twelve hour
Speaker 1: observation and in an observation, she's going to take an
Speaker 1: account for what the behaviors that UM, this child is exhibiting,
Speaker 1: teenager child, anyone up to twenty four UM. And we
Speaker 1: try to figure out why you think you can shave
Speaker 1: a kid that's tuning for years old. It gets harder
Speaker 1: as a kid gets older. But we can't because what
Speaker 1: we do is we we target the behaviors. We create
Speaker 1: a whole behavior plan. Okay, in our in our company,
Speaker 1: we have a behavior m b c B, a board
Speaker 1: certified analysis which I said has been a lot of
Speaker 1: time in school, which is equivalent to almost a psychiatrist almost,
Speaker 1: I mean not exactly the same psychiatrists deal more with
Speaker 1: um the way you think, and medications and things of
Speaker 1: that nature. What we do is we take that B C.
Speaker 1: B A. She is very educated, and then we have
Speaker 1: a master's level consultant underneath her who also helps out.
Speaker 1: And then underneath that you have a clinical trainer will
Speaker 1: alongside a clinical trailer, and then you also have behavior therapists.
Speaker 1: This whole group as a team, and this team will
Speaker 1: believe me, we get deep into it, but we pretty
Speaker 1: much look at the behavior, we look at the family environment,
Speaker 1: community environment, and we come up with a plan to
Speaker 1: help that child, and we will target the behavior and
Speaker 1: we'll teach that child coping mechanisms. You know, you actually
Speaker 1: believe that, Yes, I believe we can save in most cases,
Speaker 1: we can save a kid. Yes, we can stop that
Speaker 1: kid from you know, because a lot of times in
Speaker 1: our community kids are misdiagnosed, and the misdiagnosed can be
Speaker 1: anything from getting kicked out of school. They'll just say
Speaker 1: you're a bad kid. You know, that's how I go.
Speaker 1: You kicked out of school, sent to jail. Okay, not
Speaker 1: be able to have relationships, and it starts at a
Speaker 1: young age. You know, you might have a kid that
Speaker 1: might have some type of too much energy, let's say,
Speaker 1: and that kid might be suffering from or you know,
Speaker 1: have a real diagnosis and never ever get it treated
Speaker 1: at a young age, so therefore he goes to kindergarten.
Speaker 1: You could have shaved me just shaped answer. Let's go
Speaker 1: back to when I was in the third grade and
Speaker 1: I got a major issue, family issues, and I go
Speaker 1: to school. I'm fighting my teachers at this time, I'm
Speaker 1: taking butcher knives to school. I'm just a bad kid.
Speaker 1: You honestly think or you would take your time out
Speaker 1: to help that kid. Yeah, so, James, the real whole
Speaker 1: focus on our company and someone that's exactly like you,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's more to it than just you
Speaker 1: doing that. No behavior comes without some type of a seeding,
Speaker 1: and that the seedy means why it's happened. So we
Speaker 1: would have have come into your life, okay. Our analysis
Speaker 1: would have analyzed the whole situation, and if your family
Speaker 1: needed let's say, family therapy, we could have pointed you
Speaker 1: in a in a direction to where family therapists could
Speaker 1: have came in and we would oversee that. Okay, if
Speaker 1: you need to behavioral intervention, we would have created a
Speaker 1: plan to stop you, to figure out why are you
Speaker 1: fighting your teacher. See, people don't just want to fight
Speaker 1: their teacher. You don't. It's just not how it go.
Speaker 1: Like you know, typically kids want to please adults. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I can just guess a lot of times you
Speaker 1: do stuff, you would have did stuff for attention. And
Speaker 1: the more attention you get kids, I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 1: he with the business. He that's a bad man like
Speaker 1: And a lot of times you would do more and
Speaker 1: more because the more attention you getting, the more acceptance
Speaker 1: in our community. A lot of times it was raised wrong.
Speaker 1: I need to say it like, it's just how it is,
Speaker 1: and that's what that's what everybody needs to raw un
Speaker 1: cut of where we're at today. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons why I try to
Speaker 1: do what I do here to reach out to the
Speaker 1: kids that are like me and they don't have to
Speaker 1: be like me, they don't have to grow up like me.
Speaker 1: And that's why you here today to say I got
Speaker 1: I gotta visit and I focused on kids like you,
Speaker 1: and and it was a must and and if we're
Speaker 1: gonna do it, let's do it right. And my whole
Speaker 1: thing is, man, I want people to understand that just
Speaker 1: because you're a badass kid today don't mean you could change.
Speaker 1: And and look where I'm sitting there right now. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I don't went to Australia September.
Speaker 1: I'll be in Scotland. You feel me? So this has
Speaker 1: changed me dramatically all the way around a one hundred
Speaker 1: so um, waking up and not wanting something and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: I can't get it. How what hustle am I choose
Speaker 1: in the day, It's what what I put on, how
Speaker 1: I'm feeling. I'm gonna go get it to get that.
Speaker 1: I don't have to do that no more. So I'm
Speaker 1: I'm loving this. And how do people m get to you?
Speaker 1: Is it just Victorville or y'all? How far do this? Okay?
Speaker 1: So um, right now we're we're in the We're predominantly
Speaker 1: in Victorville, but we service the whole in an empire. Um.
Speaker 1: We also are partner with behavior Genius, who serves everyone
Speaker 1: from Ontario all the way down to l a okay. UM.
Speaker 1: Typically if if you want to to you know, get
Speaker 1: services or have I mean we can even if we
Speaker 1: can serve you and your located some worlse if you
Speaker 1: even called us, emailed us, send us a message on
Speaker 1: Jackson Family Services on um Instagram, we can point you
Speaker 1: in the right direction. Because a big part of our
Speaker 1: company is and this is not something that we're charging for,
Speaker 1: is we give people access to resources, okay. And the
Speaker 1: resources a lot of times can be family maryor's counseling,
Speaker 1: drug addition counseling. Okay. We have a huge network and
Speaker 1: there's so many acts resources out here for everyone. It's
Speaker 1: just a lot of times we don't know where to
Speaker 1: go get those resources from. So UM definitely you can
Speaker 1: reach our company at Jackson Family Jackson Family Human Services
Speaker 1: dot com okay, or you can reach us at Jackson
Speaker 1: Family Services at instagram, um dot com. I don't know
Speaker 1: that's where we got you here to let people and
Speaker 1: from real and everything. This is this is information that
Speaker 1: I think everybody in our community neighborhood is need because
Speaker 1: if you think that your son or your daughter, but
Speaker 1: it's up to the parents first and foremotion to get
Speaker 1: that here but a kid. If they don't want their kid,
Speaker 1: I'll run in the street, going out the window with
Speaker 1: Tenny eleven o'clock that night, hanging out with the hommies.
Speaker 1: You gotta be a responsible parent and don't want your
Speaker 1: kids in the situation such as I was in and
Speaker 1: everybody else. And one of the biggest things that we
Speaker 1: do is we do parents training, because if we implement
Speaker 1: a full plan and the parents are not on board,
Speaker 1: then it will not work. We look at the whole
Speaker 1: family and community environment as a whole. But sometimes you
Speaker 1: don't need the parent for the kid to get in.
Speaker 1: The kid wants to hear someone tell him that ain't right.
Speaker 1: Yes you can do this, and you don't have to
Speaker 1: be just because your daddy whooped your ass a certain
Speaker 1: kind of way. You don't have to be a bad kid.
Speaker 1: I waited for that all my life, but I didn't
Speaker 1: get it. So I'm gonna kick his ass because my
Speaker 1: daddy will mind. And I continued on the wrong path.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of kids that don't don't ain't gonna
Speaker 1: listen to the parents. But if you got that kid,
Speaker 1: that's what you need. Those mentors like that brother over,
Speaker 1: those motivational speakers like that brother right there. Good as
Speaker 1: to your chaine to have him talking to these young
Speaker 1: kids and let them kids know, Man, I've been here
Speaker 1: and this is what it is. You don't want to
Speaker 1: do that. And you know, and I'll segue into this.
Speaker 1: You know, my cousin here when we were about let's
Speaker 1: say eighteen nineteen, I remember talking to him telling him,
Speaker 1: you know, if you were to take the same effort
Speaker 1: you put into game banging and you know, being out
Speaker 1: here in these streets, you can be the President United States. Bro.
Speaker 1: That's just how smart he is, you know, just just
Speaker 1: being serious, always on time, geral tolerance type of person.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people like that in our
Speaker 1: community that jail dead, homeless on drugs, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's a whole issue within itself. But it's very very
Speaker 1: important for us to try to work with kids when
Speaker 1: they're younger, you know. And I don't think you can
Speaker 1: reach your tunity for you know, he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: reach yourself. Yes, uh, we're giving them already set in
Speaker 1: my ways to where ain't no counselor's gonna help me
Speaker 1: because I ain't gonna listen to nobody that don't know me,
Speaker 1: make me lay down and listen, or just tell my
Speaker 1: life story. It wouldn't work. It didn't work in the
Speaker 1: third grade when I day I had to see a psychiatrist,
Speaker 1: you know. And and my whole thing was drawing these squares, triangles,
Speaker 1: octagons and all that. I put each and every last
Speaker 1: one of them, the pieces on the piece of paper
Speaker 1: and took the pencil and traced them. Motherfucker's I'm smart
Speaker 1: enough to do that. That's a genius to me though.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, not sitting there trying
Speaker 1: to draw a start. I'm not gonna do that. I've
Speaker 1: said it on the table and I traced it in kindergarten,
Speaker 1: put your hand on the paper and just going money,
Speaker 1: So I learned it. So getting these kids and and
Speaker 1: and I mean, is it? Is it? Do they have
Speaker 1: to spend money? Do they? So we we do not
Speaker 1: charge their parents for anything other than daycare services maybe,
Speaker 1: but for behavioral supportive services. No. UM typically is going
Speaker 1: to be paid through your medical insurance. Okay, um, how it?
Speaker 1: And if you don't have medical insurance then we were
Speaker 1: walking you through the process of getting medical insurance and itself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's medical insurance out here right now for everybody
Speaker 1: out of it. Though, what I'm saying is you don't
Speaker 1: have no excuses to bring your child and to get help. No,
Speaker 1: it's just help out for yourself. Yes, yes, most definitely,
Speaker 1: it's it's help out here for you and um and
Speaker 1: I'll say it over and over again. You know, you
Speaker 1: gotta take the first step, you know. And I've and
Speaker 1: I've seen twenty four year olds change. But a lot
Speaker 1: of times we're just giving them the tools, and sometimes
Speaker 1: the people realize, like, this is not how I want
Speaker 1: to live, you know, Like for me perfectly, you know,
Speaker 1: I always want to strat out of fence. I wanted
Speaker 1: to be halfway in the streets. I wanted to I
Speaker 1: thought as a kid, I was gonna be the biggest
Speaker 1: drug dealer in the world. That's just what I thought
Speaker 1: as a kid, you know. But what ends up how happening,
Speaker 1: is exposure. You know. I was exposed to so many
Speaker 1: different type of people and I realized, like, that ain't
Speaker 1: the life I want to live, you know. But I
Speaker 1: always wanted to bring people up with me because what
Speaker 1: happens is being a firefighter, which I'm no longer working
Speaker 1: for the fire department. I'm working for myself, my own company,
Speaker 1: because I realized, yeah, I'm doing fine, but I look
Speaker 1: down and I don't see nobody else that looked like
Speaker 1: me or resembles me, think like me in my circle.
Speaker 1: So what I by me come create my own company.
Speaker 1: I can hire, educate. I have to go back to
Speaker 1: my community and help because there's no other reason than
Speaker 1: all of us coming up than just me. You know,
Speaker 1: show let everybody know how we can get in touch
Speaker 1: with Harry. And now how long you've been married to
Speaker 1: your wife? First, we've been married. I think we've been
Speaker 1: married for about six years. Six years. Yeah, you might
Speaker 1: have asked you years four years old. I'm for unfortunate,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, the wife I have is you know,
Speaker 1: she's very supportive. If I come up with a plan,
Speaker 1: she's gonna do everything she can to help us get there.
Speaker 1: You know, Um, I thought I was up and I
Speaker 1: would tell you like I thought I was up until
Speaker 1: I got me a black woman in my life that
Speaker 1: was real black woman. You know, it's a lot of
Speaker 1: females out here, and I'm not saying everybody's not just
Speaker 1: not for everybody. You know, when you have a true
Speaker 1: partner in your life. Your life will change. Well, y'all
Speaker 1: are not what I say, materialistic people, and y'all strive
Speaker 1: off each other, and that's what makes a relationship work.
Speaker 1: Y'all was actually friends before y'all got married. I mean,
Speaker 1: it ain't too many of us. I'm talking about Black
Speaker 1: people that that's in a relationship like that, that that
Speaker 1: can honestly say they love their wife. You know, the
Speaker 1: average black motherfucker get married and I know this. You're
Speaker 1: gonna stay married for two years until you get tired,
Speaker 1: and then you're going about your business. But but, but,
Speaker 1: and then. I just want to say to you that
Speaker 1: that you are man. You are you are somebody to
Speaker 1: to to the neighborhood. That ain't the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: Very important to thank you much. I appreciate it. No,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you because if we had you, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be no me, wouldn't be no bullshit, it would we
Speaker 1: we all be good and and thank god we had
Speaker 1: the resources that we got now, such as you and
Speaker 1: your wife opening your extending your arms and your homes
Speaker 1: to two kids y'all don't even know, and helping them.
Speaker 1: That that that gives us a chance that helps us
Speaker 1: stop little cats like myself growing up to be idiots,
Speaker 1: assholes or whatever they getting. They actually got an opportunity
Speaker 1: and a chance not to be taught. And this ain't
Speaker 1: to be racist, but when I when I had a
Speaker 1: side chadres, when I went to see the site, every
Speaker 1: last one I had was white. This is nobody on
Speaker 1: my level that understands where I'm coming from. Now we
Speaker 1: had that. You see, you see what I'm now we
Speaker 1: have that, and man, I applaud you one hundred. I
Speaker 1: want you to tell everybody where they can go. I
Speaker 1: want you to if they got a number that they
Speaker 1: can call anybody he's just starting out. Anybody in the
Speaker 1: in and Empire that have UH and need help with
Speaker 1: the children called Harry. Mr Jackson, you got a man
Speaker 1: just just when you meet the man you see and
Speaker 1: and and this is a young man, this man. I'm
Speaker 1: twenty years older than this young man and yet to
Speaker 1: have a hit on my shoulder like this dude. Man,
Speaker 1: That's why I have to applaud it. So give everybody
Speaker 1: your number, your information. So our phone number is UM
Speaker 1: you can call us Jackson Family Human Services. Our phone
Speaker 1: number is four or four two three to seven nine
Speaker 1: one into. You can reach me at h Jackson at
Speaker 1: Jackson Family Human Services dot com. You can reach us
Speaker 1: on Instagram at Jackson Family Services at instagram dot com.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to receive where once you call
Speaker 1: the number, and I'm I'm gonna call. You have a
Speaker 1: whole staff of people who can um. Once we get
Speaker 1: a call, we don't turn anybody away. We will help
Speaker 1: you in any way we possibly can. I mean, we
Speaker 1: overrestend ourselves to everyone. Okay, and that's white, black, Asian, Latino,
Speaker 1: old young give us a call and we'll see what
Speaker 1: we can do for you, right right, and and and man,
Speaker 1: to my pleasure, Harry Brown his cousin here today and
Speaker 1: when when he got out the car. In the car,
Speaker 1: Harry was telling me about this guy. This guy did
Speaker 1: five years and y well, I'm gonna let him explain
Speaker 1: his story. Harry, that young man communis so give me
Speaker 1: a second. Let this guy come and sit down. And
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, this is man, this is not my doing.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this was gonna happen. I didn't know
Speaker 1: what was going on. I had Harry, but to to
Speaker 1: my edition, this young brother coming here and man he's
Speaker 1: another black young man story that needs to be told.
Speaker 1: I think, so let everybody know who you is. I
Speaker 1: think against the chronicle world. My name is R. C.
Speaker 1: Or Oar Salon. I go by R. C. R C Osborne, right,
Speaker 1: And he was telling me outside you did time? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did about uh about five years by the time
Speaker 1: I was fourteen to twenty. And I see why now now, now, this, this,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the killer part for everybody such
Speaker 1: as myself, that say we can't do it. I didn't
Speaker 1: have no choices. I don't We don't have excuses for
Speaker 1: where we want to go in life. And this brother
Speaker 1: is a prime example. What what tell us a little
Speaker 1: life history of getting out of jail after five years? Okay,
Speaker 1: well I was, you know, I was running the streets
Speaker 1: to San Diego, involved in different gangs and activities, not
Speaker 1: different gangs of gang activities. Uh. You know, come from
Speaker 1: a broken home. You know a story that's that's that's
Speaker 1: so so familiar. So what made you change? Uh? You
Speaker 1: know I didn't change right away. I actually uh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, once I got out of wire, I tried
Speaker 1: to stay away from the politics, but moving right back
Speaker 1: into the neighborhood when I was nineteen. It kind of
Speaker 1: sucked me back in. So I end up doing a
Speaker 1: couple of county bids and they're actually going to prison
Speaker 1: for about two years. And you know what really made
Speaker 1: me change was, honestly was my my my family, you know,
Speaker 1: particularly my nieces, and uh, just being tired of being
Speaker 1: in jail, just feeling that need to change your life
Speaker 1: for your family, like yeah, well, you know I had
Speaker 1: never felt like, like me, feel in love for another
Speaker 1: human like that deep, you know, my nieces, and I
Speaker 1: was seeing my nieces being born, not not being there
Speaker 1: like I never felt that before. So I was able
Speaker 1: to go through those whole you know, consecutive years because
Speaker 1: I didn't really feel nothing. I didn't really have no, no,
Speaker 1: no attachment to anything. So um, it was it was
Speaker 1: two parts. It was. It was me finally you know,
Speaker 1: starting to recognize my feelings for something, and then just
Speaker 1: you know, being in prison and seeing the politics like
Speaker 1: you know, like like, uh, I was set up by
Speaker 1: the cops, you know, for me and one of my
Speaker 1: enemies to basically kill each other, and he talked some
Speaker 1: sense in me. I was like, yeah, we're not about
Speaker 1: to do this. And uh, well, y'all like face to
Speaker 1: face pistol up. Yeah, yeah, well we got we had
Speaker 1: we had got into it, and they sent me to
Speaker 1: the whole and then pretty much when I got back,
Speaker 1: for some reason, I was in the same same class
Speaker 1: that he was in and that ain't supposed to happen,
Speaker 1: you know, but I had was getting into it with
Speaker 1: the staff. I was young and hot headed, so that
Speaker 1: I guess they wanted to see us go at it.
Speaker 1: So they put us in a in a room with
Speaker 1: nice and and all that, you know what I mean, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're doing to you. So I was so young, I
Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on. I just knew I
Speaker 1: wasn't about to go out. And this dude was like
Speaker 1: he was like thirty thirty two, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: and here I am like one. He pretty much he said,
Speaker 1: you see what's going on? You know? Yeah? And you know,
Speaker 1: you know, so I think that brother because um, you
Speaker 1: know that that that was a turning point. You know
Speaker 1: his name, I don't know, I just know it. We
Speaker 1: just gonna shout that brother man he didn't take this
Speaker 1: man life. Yeah, yeah, I don't know his name, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to put him out there, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I know his gang name, but I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, I don't know his name. But so
Speaker 1: it was that. And then I always had a desire
Speaker 1: to play basketball since I was young and go to college.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, even though I was you know, any institutions,
Speaker 1: I always they dreamed and and kind of visualize myself
Speaker 1: on the court. Well, day dreaming, you actually made your
Speaker 1: dream come true. Yeah. Yeah, So that's what I did.
Speaker 1: As soon as I got out of prison, you know,
Speaker 1: I and I educated. That's that's the most important part.
Speaker 1: I educated myself. I read books, I learned about my history.
Speaker 1: I learned that, you know, we just don't come from slavery,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I learned about my heritage,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, a stolen legacy, you know.
Speaker 1: And and and once I pretty much became familiar with myself,
Speaker 1: and I got to know myself, and I got to
Speaker 1: experience the emotions that I that I just you know,
Speaker 1: kind of put to the curve for so long. It
Speaker 1: was then when I was able to grow and and
Speaker 1: and take take my life seriously, you know, and not
Speaker 1: by denouncing anything, you know, it's just but just kind
Speaker 1: of showing you you have to denounce, especially and and
Speaker 1: I think that's where your man who had come from,
Speaker 1: and showing them that you've been a man and responsible
Speaker 1: of yourself. It's to denounce. I don't care how motherfucking
Speaker 1: choose to use it. And I use the word motherfucker loosely. No,
Speaker 1: but I'm being honest, I'm and and And the reason
Speaker 1: why I'm saying that it's because if you're letting these
Speaker 1: cats know, these people know that you're working with the homies,
Speaker 1: if you let them know I'm done, it's pretty much
Speaker 1: denouncing that I'm not just ain't me no more. So
Speaker 1: you have to really give that part up. You can't
Speaker 1: be a halfast crook. No, you can't get a halfast homie,
Speaker 1: you know, So you gotta be done with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know I'm done with it. It's just the
Speaker 1: fact that, you know, I never wanted to be done
Speaker 1: with where I came from there, not necessarily the gang part,
Speaker 1: but tied to the culture because so many of us
Speaker 1: we get rich, we get smart, we get money, we
Speaker 1: get married, and we move away and we forget rather
Speaker 1: mentally or physically, and we don't we can't. It's like
Speaker 1: a disconnect. That money becomes a disconnect, that position becomes
Speaker 1: a disconnect, you know, and that that's what I mean
Speaker 1: by that. Like and like you said, it was an
Speaker 1: eternal force, you know, battling like oh you know that
Speaker 1: that ego in that pride. But yeah, So after I
Speaker 1: got out of prison, you know, like four months later,
Speaker 1: I was enrolled in college City College, San Diego, you know,
Speaker 1: started playing basketball. I got a scholarship, stayed at City
Speaker 1: for two years, a scholar athlete, you know. UM shout
Speaker 1: out to coach Mitch a City College. He took a
Speaker 1: chance on me. He didn't you know, and I just
Speaker 1: had raw talent. I know how to set a pick properly,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. He just throw me and getting there,
Speaker 1: you know the type deal. And um. And then that
Speaker 1: led to a scholarship out to uh A private university
Speaker 1: of private Christian university in Oklahoma. So I did about
Speaker 1: three years out there and obtained my bachelor's in behavioral science,
Speaker 1: you know, came back to San Diego. Um, by the
Speaker 1: grace of God and some some help from my towards
Speaker 1: Adrian ascanise Um you know, Maria senor um no la
Speaker 1: Bride Butler Bride. We you know, they helped me get
Speaker 1: into a master's program called CBB Community Base Block in
Speaker 1: San Diego State, and I took it seriously and I
Speaker 1: earned a you know, a m A and education and
Speaker 1: so um from there I got you know, that took
Speaker 1: me different places, you know, helping helping that colleges are interning,
Speaker 1: to becoming an academic counselor advisor, to eventually teaching my
Speaker 1: own classes. So um, so you're teaching like like actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: actually teaching, Yeah, actually got a actually got a professor
Speaker 1: uh title, associate professor title, you know, going into these
Speaker 1: classes at that point in time in my life, and
Speaker 1: um and and teaching you know, teaching college prep one
Speaker 1: on one, teaching transfer, you know, teaching community college kids
Speaker 1: are student there. So do you go around telling people
Speaker 1: you could be what you want to be and didn't
Speaker 1: let them know where you came from? I mean you
Speaker 1: you're a prime example what we need to be, uh,
Speaker 1: what we need to understand about ourselves. I don't care
Speaker 1: how bad we've been, I don't care what we've done.
Speaker 1: The only person can fix that is God itself. But
Speaker 1: where down here I can make it better? And and
Speaker 1: half of us don't don't think like that because we
Speaker 1: don't know. Half of us don't understand because we have
Speaker 1: no one in our ear to teach us where. Man,
Speaker 1: you could be anything you want to be. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So yeah, I know I feel that
Speaker 1: is good. Man. You you went from prison two teaching.
Speaker 1: This is where we need to understand. This is where
Speaker 1: we need to go. And that's a cold asked message
Speaker 1: for anybody. You know, we don't have We as black men,
Speaker 1: do not have any excuses to fail just because we felt.
Speaker 1: We can't blame that motherfuck over there. We can't blame it,
Speaker 1: say its slavery fucked us up. We didn't even live
Speaker 1: the ship. For number one, what we had is, man,
Speaker 1: we got to get better with ourselves and and get
Speaker 1: into our kids and teaching our kids a better way.
Speaker 1: And then guys like you and my I mean you
Speaker 1: and myself that went through it can come and sit
Speaker 1: down at the round table and say, okay, this I
Speaker 1: had enough. This is what I'm doing now. You educated
Speaker 1: yourself by reading books. You know, It's it's crazy that
Speaker 1: only some of us get it. You feel me and
Speaker 1: and man, it's a good thing that that you came today.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even expecting this, y'all. I want to I
Speaker 1: swear to God, I wouldn't expecting this. To get a
Speaker 1: brother that's been on that level and can sit here
Speaker 1: next to me and say, man I did five years,
Speaker 1: did I d in two years? Then down I had enough?
Speaker 1: And then he could sit here and say his education
Speaker 1: took him places, you know what I'm saying. At that age,
Speaker 1: and at that time, after doing prison time, they tell
Speaker 1: you can't you can't get a job after prison, which
Speaker 1: was kind of true trying to be a security guard.
Speaker 1: After you get out of prison, they're gonna give you
Speaker 1: ninety days and they're gonna fire your ass. That's all
Speaker 1: you got is ninety days. So you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: keep doing it or you're gonna go to a warehouse.
Speaker 1: But man, I really, I really really appreciate that, and
Speaker 1: I want everybody to know it's a whole lot of
Speaker 1: us out there that's trying to get that education, that
Speaker 1: didn't give up, that that that got mentors, that that's
Speaker 1: helping other people, you know what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 1: it's it's like that paid forward ship. Let's do that
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I'm trying to do. And I
Speaker 1: know you're doing that. You're talking to kids. I know
Speaker 1: you've been boy, you're so blessed. It's pathetic. And and
Speaker 1: us as black man need to grab a grip, grab
Speaker 1: a hole to what we are, understand who we are
Speaker 1: become in You're not just a man when you turned
Speaker 1: eighteen and twenty. We're not men because we don't understand
Speaker 1: what it's about, what it what it means to be
Speaker 1: a man. I got a brother over here, he understand
Speaker 1: what it what it means should be a man. And
Speaker 1: here I am fifty five and didn't understand I'm a man.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I went looking at it
Speaker 1: like that. But this is where we gotta get our
Speaker 1: little brothers on. This is where we gotta get our
Speaker 1: little sisters on. We gotta stop applying our little sisters,
Speaker 1: paying them twenty dollars to twerk. We gotta man all
Speaker 1: of this bullshit. We degrade ourselves. Ain't nobody helping us
Speaker 1: do the ship. We're doing it to ourselves. Man, And
Speaker 1: I appreciate you to sit down and just really say
Speaker 1: where you came from. It ain't everybody business, but it's business.
Speaker 1: It ship that everybody should know. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy talked people. It's kind of funny, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know I really that's the hammer I hit home,
Speaker 1: like you can do anything that you put your mind to.
Speaker 1: And you know you hear it when you're young, right,
Speaker 1: but it's just like so repetitive you start thinking like,
Speaker 1: oh that that's just another slogan like Nike, you just
Speaker 1: do it. But I really believe that. And not only
Speaker 1: do I believe it, but I preached that, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever wherever I'm at, I let the the young, the
Speaker 1: young kids, young students. I let even older people older
Speaker 1: than me um to know that your past don't define you,
Speaker 1: that that's just that's just something that you know you
Speaker 1: went through. And so I don't let none of my
Speaker 1: homeboys are none of my family, are not none of
Speaker 1: my friends. I should say, take that skategoat because so
Speaker 1: many people ask me how do I do it? That's
Speaker 1: amazing and here I am this whole. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: it was hard times. I don't through so many emotions
Speaker 1: trying to get through to where I was at, but
Speaker 1: it was relatively easy. I'll share that with you. It
Speaker 1: was relatively easy. I had a passion, I had a
Speaker 1: real passion, and I was doing what I loved, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I never went to high school,
Speaker 1: never went to high school, just straight out and I
Speaker 1: was playing basketball, which helped me. I was doing what
Speaker 1: I loved and everything fell in line. And that's so
Speaker 1: and that's that's just my message, you know. So some
Speaker 1: of these classes, I also taught classes of like restorative
Speaker 1: justice class to formally incarcerated students. Right, So they put
Speaker 1: a like at a college called Maracoasta, we kind of
Speaker 1: put a program together to targeting students who have been
Speaker 1: formally incarcerated from eighteen to forty and they're giving them
Speaker 1: the tools to succeed, because education is a cold, cold
Speaker 1: piece of work if you used the right way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that that's what I'm on now, and I'm more into, um,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to motivate and speak, motivational speaking, trying
Speaker 1: to make my own lane and that um and that yeah,
Speaker 1: in that lane, trying to make my own lane. And
Speaker 1: so do you go to the to the to the
Speaker 1: back to the neighborhood to see if you can help
Speaker 1: one of the homies. Uh, get out of his situation.
Speaker 1: Let them know that this ain't what you. You don't
Speaker 1: have to do. Yeah, man, I still stay in San Diego.
Speaker 1: I still stay in the city of San Diego. Only
Speaker 1: time I moved away as when I was when I
Speaker 1: went to Oklahoma. Okay, I'm always around. I didn't talk
Speaker 1: that San Diego City College right in the hardest San Diego.
Speaker 1: You know you're a young cat too. Man, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to these young cats coming in there is alway educated
Speaker 1: and ship. I don't want to ask you how old years,
Speaker 1: but I know you're under thirty thirty five. You know
Speaker 1: your fault. No, no, no, I'm not younger than that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all about the same age. Yeah, okay, well yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my cousin. And he told me, you know, he told
Speaker 1: me I was kind of dabbling, dabbling in different things
Speaker 1: and uh, while all my path and he told me,
Speaker 1: if I don't use my purpose, God gonna take me off.
Speaker 1: God gonna take me off this earth. Oh man, that's
Speaker 1: the cold thing. And that's true. That's always stuck with me.
Speaker 1: And you know, and one thing you learned, you can't
Speaker 1: take everybody with you. Everybody ain't gonna get your Uh,
Speaker 1: you can't take care of everybody. That if Man, God,
Speaker 1: God got a message for all of us. And you know,
Speaker 1: you just gotta know when he's using you. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You realize he using you. Harry realized
Speaker 1: that he has a purpose and and his passion and
Speaker 1: his love is for kids, not just his own kids,
Speaker 1: his what they all he is. I see how you
Speaker 1: interact with him. Everybody in that house is is his
Speaker 1: is his kid and it ain't too many, which I
Speaker 1: said earlier. We need to get back to that. We
Speaker 1: need to learn how to love and take care of
Speaker 1: each other instead of fighting and killing each other, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And if we get a bunch
Speaker 1: of a bunch of y'alls, a bunch of young men
Speaker 1: with their head on that, that should I say to
Speaker 1: get out there. If they get in one car and
Speaker 1: just roll to certain places and speak on it, then
Speaker 1: we're good. I think we need to reach uh the
Speaker 1: juvenile hall system. Having them kids is acting for help. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But they won't let me
Speaker 1: up in there with my record, They not even they
Speaker 1: won't even I tried. I was in there for a second,
Speaker 1: and then the person that brought me here almost got fired.
Speaker 1: And and and that's the cool thing about it. Right now,
Speaker 1: I've been out of prison since and it's still something
Speaker 1: that this California won't allow me to do. Man, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They let me go to Australia
Speaker 1: though they slipped up. But but seriously, though, your your
Speaker 1: your your history, your past history shouldn't even matter if
Speaker 1: if you're doing the things you're doing, it's this is
Speaker 1: me now. It doesn't matter what I did. I paid
Speaker 1: for that, So society tell you right now today, I
Speaker 1: don't care if you went to prison or not. It
Speaker 1: ain't your dad is not paid. And they won't let
Speaker 1: you forget it. And that's the cool thing about our
Speaker 1: system about us about black men. You get a record,
Speaker 1: they ain't letting it go. And that's why I hopped
Speaker 1: in education because they ain't. They aren't discriminating there. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it could be fixed. It's got his
Speaker 1: ups and downs and problems with every other institution. But
Speaker 1: you hopping there, man. They came and from when they
Speaker 1: came Tony, you your your your bachelor's degree. They can
Speaker 1: deny your associates. They can't deny what you've done. They
Speaker 1: can't going to different places, just like you weren't gonna
Speaker 1: trying to go into a facility and then your background,
Speaker 1: your check come, Oh no, he can't get in here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What I did in the past is the past. I
Speaker 1: paid for my I paid my debt. And you know
Speaker 1: they don't see it that way. And that's why we
Speaker 1: still have problems getting and trying to move forward to
Speaker 1: the go to the next level, because they still got
Speaker 1: his handcuffed and half of half of us. It's just
Speaker 1: on some fucking it don't matter. And I'm speaking about
Speaker 1: me too, because I was like, man, I'm out of prison,
Speaker 1: and what's that the shie night? What's that? I gotta
Speaker 1: get a job. I got a family, I got kids,
Speaker 1: so a certain job. Then they fired you after that
Speaker 1: ninety days. You know what I'm saying, Uh, I was.
Speaker 1: I was a security guard with my own pistol. Y'all
Speaker 1: ain't got to give me no pistol. I'll be out
Speaker 1: of here en night. But I had my own goddamn pistel.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't stupid. I ain't gonna walking around nobody building
Speaker 1: all night and around that creepy ship what I want,
Speaker 1: so just to say that they don't they My my
Speaker 1: past kept coming up every everywhere and everything that I did,
Speaker 1: and then it frustrates you. It frustrated me, so it
Speaker 1: made me give up saying funk that selling dope was easier,
Speaker 1: you know, on a new drug ship and taking from
Speaker 1: others get what I wanted was easier. So I don't
Speaker 1: have to deal with these people. The only person I
Speaker 1: had to deal with is the police. And that's some
Speaker 1: catch me if you can ship and we wind up
Speaker 1: back where we're at the lady are gonna around and
Speaker 1: get caught. You know, It's funny, man, I have that mentality.
Speaker 1: And I was actually trying to change my life when
Speaker 1: I got out of y like mentally, but it didn't work.
Speaker 1: And I had that same mentality like well I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do this, and I ended up on the bus to
Speaker 1: prison with my dad, shockle with my dad. We went
Speaker 1: to prison with me and my dad went to prison
Speaker 1: the same on the same bus. That make me think,
Speaker 1: damn pops in prison with your something. Man. I was
Speaker 1: just so happy to be going to prison, honestly, like
Speaker 1: to have that stripe my dad. Look, I was like, yeah, Pops,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm about to do this. When I hit the yard,
Speaker 1: I'm about to do this. He's looking now that I
Speaker 1: look back, and he looking at me like what is
Speaker 1: wrong with this boy? You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: but you know it will definitely take you on a
Speaker 1: couple of trips. I mean, I didn't do no time
Speaker 1: with my pops, but you know, uh, you know, us
Speaker 1: as little boys growing to young men sooner later. Man, man,
Speaker 1: I didn't have a father to look up to, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And that was probably one of
Speaker 1: my problems then. But you know I still don't it
Speaker 1: is we don't have to continue to have our sons
Speaker 1: grow up and be One thing I said when I
Speaker 1: was game banking now one of my sons, but not
Speaker 1: ever get called sagging now one of my sons ever
Speaker 1: put a Pierce day ears, I didn't have that. You
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be like me. I did everything that uh
Speaker 1: my mama, husband whatever father didn't do. So that was
Speaker 1: a reversal to me. I had enough sense to my son,
Speaker 1: is I'm not gonna introduce him to gangs and he
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be out here because that's the worstest thing
Speaker 1: getting that phone call. Your son just got killed around
Speaker 1: the corner. So that was that was one of the
Speaker 1: things I said. At least I did do right. Both
Speaker 1: of my sons went to college. What I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say, I spent a lot of money
Speaker 1: and they helping him get there, but they got there,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I did contribute to it.
Speaker 1: I did what I can do as a father, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And and me and my sons
Speaker 1: have a cool relationship right now in today. You know,
Speaker 1: UH about to get my youngest son a card because
Speaker 1: he decided to go back and get his degree. So
Speaker 1: so for that, I can get you a card. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I can help you do what
Speaker 1: you're doing. You don't have to struggle, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. My oldest son, he tastes care of his
Speaker 1: his daughter. She's twelve years old and he'd been raising
Speaker 1: her since she was day one. The mother walked out
Speaker 1: to the hospital when they said y'all can go home,
Speaker 1: and he's been having her every since. So he they
Speaker 1: they're good boys. My daughter something difference. She Wow, she
Speaker 1: got her daddy and her mom and her and she
Speaker 1: can't quit now maybe I need to get hurt. Right
Speaker 1: when when when when? When? When she come home? So
Speaker 1: but man, I appreciate you all coming in and and
Speaker 1: really just man sitting down and just conversation with me. Um,
Speaker 1: Like I said, you was a bonus for me today
Speaker 1: because I was gonna talk to Harry and I know
Speaker 1: Harry don't talk that much and I knew he wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna give me no hour and a half, so he
Speaker 1: was a bonus from me. But right, man, I appreciate you. Man,
Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing. Man. You know, a long
Speaker 1: time ago I wouldn't say thank you Jesus, and I
Speaker 1: didn't bless God at all. But today, right now, today,
Speaker 1: from from seventeen years now, I am not ashamed of God.
Speaker 1: And man, I thank God for the day. I think
Speaker 1: all my blessings brother, and I appreciate you all for coming. Harry,
Speaker 1: get you out there, yeah, let you know where you are.
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Speaker 1: the ball rolling. Okay that I'm gonna make a joke.
Speaker 1: Y'all see this guy. Just hold up me, let me
Speaker 1: pitch my ship real quick. You did that. But man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate everybody, uh for for for coming out. Harry.
Speaker 1: I hope you all don't get loads leaving his mother
Speaker 1: and man gachronos Man, we got a lot more to come.
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