WEBVTT - Criminal Injustice System 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.560 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKA up Daily with 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:18.400 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody reporting not So live from 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.960 my Brooklyn bunker. Folks, let me talk about the fact 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.479 that this week is going to be a doozy and 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:27.760 a couple of reasons. Why. Well, at the end of 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.520 last week, you saw that Steve Badden decided that, you know, 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.640 congressional subpoenas don't mean anything to him. They are a 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:37.120 kin to an RSVP, to a party that you really 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:38.920 don't want to attend, and think that there's going to 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:42.839 be no repercussions in doing so. Well, Chair of the 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:48.720 one six Insurrection Commission, Benny Thompson has decided that, guess what, Bannon, 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:53.320 you do have to comply with congressional subpoenas. And tomorrow 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.800 we're going to be seeing a vote in the Commission 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.040 and then in the entire House that is going to 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:04.800 recommend that Steve Bannon be processed for criminal charges and 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.000 that will go to the US District Attorney. So here's 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.399 the thing, folks, that is coming up for me and 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.280 continues to come up, and in my conversation with our 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.400 friend Glenn Kirshner, we will talk about this But here's 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.360 the reality. The reality is this, which we all know, 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:27.399 but it's becoming so damn obvious and stark, and what 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.480 is continuing to piss me off is that we do 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:34.360 nothing about it. Our criminal justice system has multiple tiers, 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:39.360 and depending on your wealth, depending on your class, depending 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:43.600 on your race, depending on your gender, depending on your 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:48.360 sexual orientation or your gender identity, you get placed in 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:53.160 different tiers. And who do we know exists at the top. Well, 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:59.160 that would be rich, wealthy cis gender, straight white men 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.559 who have powerful connections and can do whatever the fuck 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:09.400 they want. You know, here's the thing I wanted to know. Okay, 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.560 so Benny Thompson is saying we're going to pursue criminal charges, 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:18.400 then will we see a US Marshall go pounding on 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.680 fucking Steve Bannon's door, dragging his drunken ass out and 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.000 sitting him in a chair at Congress. No, we won't 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.440 see that, do you know? When we do see that? However, 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:30.960 when we do see police kick in the door of 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.880 people when they think that you know, they have drugs, 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.280 or they think that you know there is a search 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.520 out for them, or a warrant, right, a warrant out 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:44.200 for their arrest. That's what happened in the Brianna Taylor case. 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:48.120 If you all remember the Louisville, Kentucky, young black woman 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.280 who was asleep in her bed and then was riddled 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.200 with bullets and killed in her sleep because they were 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.800 supposedly a warrant out for her ex boyfriend, which no 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.640 longer lived in that home, right, but the cops felt 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.639 the need to kick in the door and shoot it up. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:12.040 They were wrong, they had the wrong address. But Brianna 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.360 Taylor is dead. No one has faced accountability or responsibility 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.320 for that, because we know that in this country, black 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.480 lives do not matter. We know that in this country, 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.040 if Brianna Taylor had been a Steve Bannon type, if 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:26.799 she had been wealthy, if she had been white, that 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.520 the cops probably would have called her ahead of time 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.520 and asked if it was the right time for them 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.640 to come over, and then she would have been able 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.080 to talk her way out of it or put her 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.400 very high paid lawyer on the phone to decide and 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.240 determine when and if and how she was going to 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:46.720 cooperate with authorities. You see, black and brown people and 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:51.160 low income people in this country don't get choices, right, 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:55.560 they are forced to adhere to a legal system that 0:03:55.680 --> 0:04:00.480 doesn't have their humanity, their dignity in mind. But you 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.640 see with Steve Bannon, oh we gotta follow the law. 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.680 We got to go through it with a fine tooth comb. 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.480 We have to make sure that there's no wavering because 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.840 we know that when you go after the wealthy and 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.600 the powerful and the well connected white men of the world, 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.839 then they come back at you ten times fold. And 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.680 you see Democrats in this instance are operating in the 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.159 way that they always have, which is through fear. Oh well, 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:30.080 what happens when Republicans gain power? What happens you know 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.719 to us? So we have to really walk a fine 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:38.520 line here. Well, here's the deal. You know what will happen. Republicans, 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.240 whether using the law or doing criminal shit, are going 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.520 to stomp you into the ground like they did over 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.320 the last four years under Donald Trump. You clearly didn't 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.200 learn your lesson there, and you clearly aren't learning your 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.080 lessons right now. You think that what they're going to 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:56.200 comply and that you get to look blustery in the press, 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.839 and then that is actually akin to you taking real 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.240 hard action. Well, in my conversation, with Glenn Kirshner. He 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.080 will go over the fact that there's a true two 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:09.200 track system that Congress can be taking right now, one 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.120 of which is criminal content, the other one is inherent 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.080 where they could throw his ass in jail for up 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.080 to thirty days or up to a year. Right and 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.320 people say, well, that's a law that hasn't been used 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.960 in a hundred years, So the fuck what, It's still 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.320 a law that's on the books. Use the power that 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.640 the people gave you, because you have no problem using 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.920 the power of the law to beat and suppress and 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:38.760 contort black people and brown people, right push them into 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.560 the ground, push them further into the margins of society. 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:47.080 Give them minimum maximum sentences, which we just saw that 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.920 Governor Gavin Newsom got rid of in California, among the 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.360 myriad of things that he is doing. You know why, 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.599 because we love to throw the book at low income 0:05:56.640 --> 0:06:00.320 people and people of color. Glen will talk to us 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.440 in this interview about the fact that you know the 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:09.480 DC prison system right where you hold people awaiting trial, 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:15.240 those jails are disgusting, they're ininhabitable. He's talked about this, 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:19.120 and many people have talked about this for decades, but 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.560 we don't care how black and brown people are treated 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.160 in our prison system because you know, it's set up 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.240 for their punishment. But now all of a sudden, we 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.200 have all of these white insurrectionists that are being held 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:34.920 and now judges want to do something about the prison 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:39.000 system and hold these prisons accountable for their conditions. Well, 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.440 why the fuck didn't you do that before? Oh, that's right, 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:46.440 because once again, black lives don't matter. Poor people's lives 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.400 don't matter, and you see, our systems are set up 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:55.200 to punish them to keep them down. You see, when 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:59.240 low level criminals do shit, right, what we find to 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.240 be true, it's at oftentimes the stealing, the drug dealing. 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.520 Those things are being done as a mode of survival. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.320 Am I saying it should happen, No, and that people 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:14.000 shouldn't be held accountable. Of course not. But what I 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.960 am saying is that you see, they're acting out of 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:23.160 desperation because they are trying to exist in a capitalistic 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:28.120 system that wants to grind them to a halt right, 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:32.200 that wants to ensure that they stay on the bottom 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.040 so that they can be the foundation for those that 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:40.040 are on the top. That we don't provide jobs or resources, 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:44.239 or education and housing, just the basics so that people 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.480 can thrive. No, we push them into situations where they 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.480 feel like they have no fucking options, and so the 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.160 harm that they end up doing is generally to themselves, 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:59.320 to their families. Right. But you see the harm that 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:05.600 Steve and Donald Trump, Mark Meadows, Cash Patel, David Skia, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.800 like all of these Trumpers. You see the harm that 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:15.480 they did, the embezzlement, the extortion, the cruelty in their 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:21.520 policies that harmed the entire country, That harms our democracy, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.320 which is on the brink. But we have to work 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:28.160 through certain procedures to make sure that we are following 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.880 the law to make sure that the criminal Steve Bannon right, 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.800 sees due process. What about everybody else's fucking due process. 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:42.040 You know what we've been shown over the past five years, 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:48.120 We've been shown just exactly how broken our democracy is, 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:54.319 how unjust our criminal justice system is, and how unwilling 0:08:55.240 --> 0:09:00.839 our elected officials are to do any goddamn thing. Eight 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:07.200 months of quote unquote negotiations were happening between Senator Corey 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:13.760 Booker and Tim Scott, the Republican Eight months of bullshit 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:18.960 performative efforts to do something about policing in this country. 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:26.679 After we all collectively watched George Floyd have his life 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:33.560 pressed out of him in broad fucking daylight, we thought 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.040 this was going to be the tipping point. Certainly, this 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.640 can't be acceptable and we must be able to move on. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:44.200 But what did the media do and what did police do? Oh? 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.440 They decided to hang out Derek Chauvin as that bad apple. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.160 He doesn't represent us really because he was the one 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:58.520 that was doing the trainings for other police officers. He 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:04.320 was the one that was teaching them the ropes for 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.199 close to twenty years of his work in the police department. 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.800 So how is he not you? He is emblematic of 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:16.240 the entirety of our justice system, of our policing system. 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.120 But they wanted to hang him out to dry to 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.040 assuage us right and lull us into the belief that, 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.200 you know, it's just a few bad apples. But as 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.079 I've said on this show and on others, it isn't 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:32.520 a few bad apples. It's a few bad apples that 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:36.600 are picked from a poisonous orchard that spans the entirety 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:43.160 of this country from sea to shining sea. But our 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:48.080 politicians given this momentous opportunity to actually do something to 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:53.920 show the American people that all people right deserve due process, 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:59.280 deserve compassion. I look all the time around New York 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:03.079 whenever I see police officers and they see their cars 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.520 rolling by, you know, their fucking motto about courtesy and 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.280 protection and respect, that's what they have on the side 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:15.280 of their cars. And it's laughable. It's almost an insult 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.439 to those communities that they patrol with such cruelty, with 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:27.920 such violence, with such content. But once again, our congressional 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:32.760 leaders fail to do anything that would actually help people, 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.920 that would make us believe that our tax dollars are 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:40.240 going to better our lives, not just pad the pockets 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:44.640 of their friends, the wealthy that want to do champagne 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.960 toasts in front of their little vacations into space that 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:52.280 are costing tens of millions of dollars, tens of millions 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.640 of dollars that could be used, you know, to help 0:11:55.679 --> 0:12:02.920 our strengthen our social safety nets, to strengthen ourblic education system, healthcare, 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.480 to fight against climate change. But we don't tax the 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.120 wealthy in this country. We don't even prosecute the wealthy 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.400 in this country when they do shady shit. Folks. The 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:19.840 Pandora Papers, which the international consortium of journalists six hundred 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:25.320 plush journalists around so many countries, collectively working together to 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:33.480 expose just how unequal our world really is, how the 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.080 rich and the wealthy are able to skirt the laws 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.080 to work for them so that they don't have to 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:45.400 pay taxes, so that they can have these offshore places 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:50.120 that harbor all of their wealth. We are learning about this, 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.320 and you would think that it would be breaking news. 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.800 You would think that it would be a consistent story. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.640 It's not. It has disappeared because we just shrug off 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.920 the that the rich and the wealthy and the powerful 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.040 are going to get to do whatever the fuck they want. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.480 And oh, if I were like them, if I were 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.520 in their shoes, i'd do the same thing. You see. 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:13.320 But I wouldn't, and neither would most of you, because 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:19.160 we function on conscience. We believe right in the collective. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.280 We're always told about pulling yourself up from your bootstraps, 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.640 and the retort to that is, well, what if you 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:33.680 don't have boots? It's always, oh, let's celebrate the uber 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:38.280 wealthy because they did it. Alone. I remember seeing the 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:42.040 youngest Kardashian, Kylie Jenner, on the cover of four Self 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.640 Made Billionaire. How's that bitch? Self made? She came from 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:53.240 a rich, white, wealthy family, right well connected, that had 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:57.240 access to all of the advisors, all of the top 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:03.920 business people, all of the media doors swing open? How 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.240 is that self made? What did she work herself up from? 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.400 But that's the fairy tale and the lie that we 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.320 tell ourselves about the wealthy. Oh my god, they're to 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:17.319 be celebrated. They're to be celebrated and revered for all 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.520 of the things that they have done. Does anybody ever 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.400 talk about the fucking hands up that they continue to 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.400 get that they got from the jump. These aren't people 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.160 that should be celebrated. Of course, you can do amazing 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.880 things when you have a fucking amazing foundation and all 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.680 the money in the world, or the right name and 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.720 the money in the world. And then you want to 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.920 turn around and give the rest of us tips on 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.640 how to be successful, Go fuck yourself. I am so 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.720 tired of those fucking stories from the uber wealthy and 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:52.000 the well connected wanting to tell the peons that you 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.760 too can become a self made millionaire. It just takes discipline. Oh, 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.120 I wake up early in the morning, But we don't 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:05.800 talk about the family that also wakes up early in 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:10.200 the morning, the parents that are working two and three jobs, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.280 that are taking public at transportation across hundreds of miles 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.800 because they can't afford a car to go from one 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.160 job to the next, that both are paying minimum wage 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.880 and combined are barely enough to get by. They don't 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.400 talk about the fact that that parent, those people are 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.960 doing the best that they can to also nurture their 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.560 children in a broken public school system that is probably 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.080 situated in a place that can already tell you that 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:41.640 the life expectancy of their children is decades off from 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:48.480 their wealthier counterparts across the tracks. We don't revere those 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.400 people that are literally making something out of nothing every 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:55.200 single day. No, we tell ourselves that the poor deserve 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.800 to be poor, that they're just lazy, and if only 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.080 they would take and adhere to the tips and tricks 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.880 of the uber wealthy, then they too would have something. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.720 But they don't have the right mindset. It takes an 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.080 extraordinary type of person to be able to wake up 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.560 day in and day out, put a smile on your face, 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:20.520 work service jobs that are poorly paid. People are largely 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:25.040 disrespected and continue to toil in day and day out, 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.800 just trying to put one foot in front of the other. That, 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.960 to me, is your success story, the fact that they 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:35.760 continue to march forward against a system, against a system 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:42.840 that was not built for their success. Talk to me 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:49.000 about the low income parents, the single mom that is 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:55.760 able to get a degree against all odds, a degree 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.760 that will most likely put them further into debt. But 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:05.840 what choices do they have. America doesn't give many. So 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.000 you get a degree, you put yourself into death because 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.200 you want to provide better for your kids. We don't 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:17.359 celebrate that. We celebrate those that were born with silver 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:22.600 spoons in their mouths. We celebrate their connections and call 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:27.600 them ambitious. You've been given everything. If you cannot succeed 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.040 when literally the field has been cleared for you, then 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.240 you are fucking pathetic. But those are not people to 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:40.200 me that should be celebrated and cheered on. I don't 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:53.960 want their advice. It is getting so difficult. It's becoming 0:17:54.320 --> 0:18:02.760 so difficult to be able to look for little streaks 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:07.840 of hope. We have workers. At the end of last week, 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:15.200 truck drivers that have decided to strike. We're seeing strikes 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:19.680 pop up all across industry. While people are telling us, Oh, 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:23.800 there's a worker's shortage, There isn't a worker's shortage, folks. 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:29.879 There is a shortage of empathetic employers. There is a 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.640 shortage of good quality jobs where you are not treated 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:38.159 like trash, that are paying you a living wage, that 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.400 are providing health benefits. And what we are seeing right 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:49.840 now is workers say fuck you pay me. And I 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:54.560 continue to say, I want to see strikes across industry. 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:59.080 I want all workers to revolt until they are given 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:03.120 live wages and not just fucking living wages. Why are 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:07.440 we always going after the bare fucking minimum. Why aren't 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:11.360 we setting up people so that they can thrive and 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.159 see that that trickle down is actually what it is 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:18.840 that we need in order to push forward. As one 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.600 of the superpowers, one of the wealthiest nations in the world, 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:29.119 we are as powerful as our weakest links, except we 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:36.080 are purposefully creating breaks in the links because we just 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.000 don't want to tell the truth that we only want 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:45.000 white people to thrive, we only want their success. And 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.440 then we gas like the funk out of everybody else 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.320 and make it believe that the only reason why you 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.399 don't have all of the things that you want is 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:57.960 because of your own actions and not the actions and 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:04.080 the policies that were created to ensure you're suffering. This 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.400 should be a fucking wake up moment for us all. 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:13.320 This should be an opportunity that Donald Trump and the 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:19.240 Republicans greed and cruelty exposed all the broken pieces of America, 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.880 all of the gaps that need to be filled, all 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.720 of the laws that need to be fixed in order 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:29.200 to have a thriving democracy, not just one that is 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:38.080 doing the bare minimum. We need to demand more. And 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:43.720 maybe that isn't with marches. Maybe it's with walkouts. Maybe 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.320 we need to flip the script on those that are powerful, 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.760 because the only reason why they have power and they 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:55.320 have wealth is because of how they have squeezed the 0:20:55.400 --> 0:21:01.359 little people. How they have squeezed us of our economic viability, 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:08.520 how they have squeezed us of our hope. We still 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:11.760 do have power. We are the cogs in the machine 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.359 that can grind the machine to a halt if we 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:23.040 so choose as a collective our time. Dear friends, Oh 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.919 it is on the horizon, I see it coming and 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.960 I hope that you do too. Coming up next is 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:34.520 my conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner about the latest 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:37.560 moves that the one six Commission is doing and whether 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:41.159 or not we are going to see Steve Bannon in 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:45.320 cuffs or Donald Trump in cuffs or Mark Meadows in 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:52.840 cuffs any fucking time soon. Folks. You know that when 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.000 I have the opportunity to be joined by our friend 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.959 MSNBC legal analysts and the host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner, 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:04.760 I am always thrilled. Glenn. You have thirty years of 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:09.679 federal prosecutorial skill underneath your belt, and any time that 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:16.760 news breaks about the direction of Trump's acolytes, sycophants and 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.679 subpoenas comes, I'm always I'm like a kid in a 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:23.960 candy store, just waiting to dive in with you. Each 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.960 week tell us breaking news as and I don't know 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:30.080 why it's breaking, because we all knew how this was 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:37.400 going to roll out, that Steve Bannon is bucking the subpoena, 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:41.480 the request for documents, and his presence at a deposition 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:45.280 for the one six Commission they head. The chair of 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:49.600 that commission, Benny Thompson, had signaled before, but definitely said 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:53.360 it this week. We are going after criminal charges. No 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:57.800 one has the right to just turn their back on 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:02.280 a congressional subpoena. What we are learning the American people 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.840 is that the cops are not going to bang on 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.840 Steve Bannon's door, are they. We're not going to see 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:11.440 him in handcuffs, doing a purp walk and being brought 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.560 into Congress and sat down in a seat. Tell us 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:19.280 why that isn't going to happen. Well, in part, it's 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:23.240 not happening because Congress is not getting as aggressive as 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:26.760 it is legally entitled to get. So, yeah, breaking news. 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:30.080 Steve Bannon's still a criminal, and Congress doesn't seem to 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:33.920 be all that excited about holding him to account. Here's 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:37.040 what's going on right now, and it is a positive 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:40.080 development because I think I can say that at least 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:46.560 the justice train is preparing to leave the station sometime soon. Right, 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:51.240 Here's what's happening with Bannon. He just thumbed his nose 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:55.399 at congressional subpoenas, both for documents and for testimony. We 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:59.520 all knew he would. So Congress has three ways to 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:02.720 deal with civil enforcement. Throw that one in the garbage can, 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.480 because that's what enabled Don McGann to run out the 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:09.000 clock from more than two years. Civil enforcement is dead 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:13.600 as a vehicle to enforce congressional subpoenas because the courts 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:17.280 allow themselves to be weaponized. The delay in the courts 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:21.200 system that leaves us with two alternatives. Congress has thus 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:25.520 far chosen one criminal contempt referral. Here's what that looks 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.239 like on Tuesday. And I am told, I am not 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:30.600 an expert on the rules of Congress, that they have 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.639 to give three days advanced time before they set this vote. 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:36.640 So it sounds like they're doing it promptly. They've set 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:38.840 the vote for Tuesday. They will vote to hold him 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.080 in contempt. That will get referred to the Department of Justice, 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:45.600 specifically the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia. 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:48.440 And here's how the law reads. The federal law says, 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.199 once it is referred to the US Attorney for the 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:55.800 District of Columbia, the US Attorney shall present it to 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:59.760 the grand jury for its action. That action will look 0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:04.000 like criminal indictment of Steve Bannon for contempt of Congress. 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:07.879 That here's the good news, Danielle, and don't let me 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.000 forget to talk about the third vehicle they have inherent contempt, 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.240 because I'm always excited to talk about inherent contempt and 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:18.200 why Congress is not using it. But here's the good 0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:22.080 news about him being indicted, being criminally referred for contempt. 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:26.439 Unlike Don McGann, Unlike Donald Trump when he's fighting the 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.880 production of his tax returns in his financial documents, which 0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:35.600 which inspires endless litigation up and down the appellate courts, 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.879 a defendant like Steve Bennon doesn't control the delay in 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:42.760 his own criminal prosecution. So this is something that can 0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:46.359 actually happen promptly. And let me tell you what the 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:49.440 law is. The Speedy Trial Act says, from the day 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:53.800 we indict somebody, the prosecutors have seventy days to bring 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:57.639 him to trial. Now, often the parties put into delay 0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:02.360 that and trials in federal court rarely proceed within seventy 0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:05.119 days of indictment. But that's what the law says, and 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:09.080 prosecutors can embrace that law and they can promptly take 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:12.880 Bannon to trial get him convicted. The punishment for one 0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.760 count of contempt of Congress is no less than thirty 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.840 days in jail. No more than one year in jail. Now, 0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:22.479 what is the end goal here? Is it to really 0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:26.960 produce truthful testimony from Steve Bannon. Steve Bennon is never 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:31.080 going to testify truthfully if it requires him to incriminate 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:35.600 Donald Trump. So a couple of ways this could play out. 0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:39.399 If he's indicted, he could negotiate a plea that says, Okay, 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:43.200 give me probation and tomorrow I will walk into Congress 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:47.840 and testify truthfully against Donald Trump. Unlikely, but that is 0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:51.320 one of the potential outcomes of this kind of a 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:55.040 criminal referral. But the other thing that you accomplish by 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.120 referring Steve Bennon for prosecution and putting him in jail 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:00.359 for up to a year is all of a sudden 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:03.960 Cash Patel and Mark Meadows are like, uh, okay, I'll 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:07.600 come in and testify, right because they're not likely to 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.160 go to jail for a year the way Steve Bannon 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.800 might be inclined to. So there are a couple of 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:19.240 different advantages to going this route, even if those advantages 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:24.560 don't really include getting truthful testimony before Congress out of 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.439