1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKA up Daily with 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody reporting not So live from 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: my Brooklyn bunker. Folks, let me talk about the fact 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: that this week is going to be a doozy and 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. Why. Well, at the end of 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: last week, you saw that Steve Badden decided that, you know, 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: congressional subpoenas don't mean anything to him. They are a 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: kin to an RSVP, to a party that you really 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: don't want to attend, and think that there's going to 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: be no repercussions in doing so. Well, Chair of the 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: one six Insurrection Commission, Benny Thompson has decided that, guess what, Bannon, 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: you do have to comply with congressional subpoenas. And tomorrow 13 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: we're going to be seeing a vote in the Commission 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: and then in the entire House that is going to 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: recommend that Steve Bannon be processed for criminal charges and 16 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: that will go to the US District Attorney. So here's 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: the thing, folks, that is coming up for me and 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: continues to come up, and in my conversation with our 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: friend Glenn Kirshner, we will talk about this But here's 20 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: the reality. The reality is this, which we all know, 21 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: but it's becoming so damn obvious and stark, and what 22 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: is continuing to piss me off is that we do 23 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: nothing about it. Our criminal justice system has multiple tiers, 24 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: and depending on your wealth, depending on your class, depending 25 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: on your race, depending on your gender, depending on your 26 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: sexual orientation or your gender identity, you get placed in 27 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: different tiers. And who do we know exists at the top. Well, 28 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: that would be rich, wealthy cis gender, straight white men 29 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: who have powerful connections and can do whatever the fuck 30 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: they want. You know, here's the thing I wanted to know. Okay, 31 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: so Benny Thompson is saying we're going to pursue criminal charges, 32 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: then will we see a US Marshall go pounding on 33 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: fucking Steve Bannon's door, dragging his drunken ass out and 34 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: sitting him in a chair at Congress. No, we won't 35 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: see that, do you know? When we do see that? However, 36 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: when we do see police kick in the door of 37 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: people when they think that you know, they have drugs, 38 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: or they think that you know there is a search 39 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: out for them, or a warrant, right, a warrant out 40 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: for their arrest. That's what happened in the Brianna Taylor case. 41 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: If you all remember the Louisville, Kentucky, young black woman 42 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: who was asleep in her bed and then was riddled 43 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: with bullets and killed in her sleep because they were 44 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: supposedly a warrant out for her ex boyfriend, which no 45 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: longer lived in that home, right, but the cops felt 46 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: the need to kick in the door and shoot it up. 47 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: They were wrong, they had the wrong address. But Brianna 48 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: Taylor is dead. No one has faced accountability or responsibility 49 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: for that, because we know that in this country, black 50 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: lives do not matter. We know that in this country, 51 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: if Brianna Taylor had been a Steve Bannon type, if 52 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: she had been wealthy, if she had been white, that 53 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: the cops probably would have called her ahead of time 54 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: and asked if it was the right time for them 55 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: to come over, and then she would have been able 56 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: to talk her way out of it or put her 57 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: very high paid lawyer on the phone to decide and 58 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: determine when and if and how she was going to 59 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: cooperate with authorities. You see, black and brown people and 60 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: low income people in this country don't get choices, right, 61 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: they are forced to adhere to a legal system that 62 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: doesn't have their humanity, their dignity in mind. But you 63 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: see with Steve Bannon, oh we gotta follow the law. 64 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: We got to go through it with a fine tooth comb. 65 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: We have to make sure that there's no wavering because 66 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: we know that when you go after the wealthy and 67 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: the powerful and the well connected white men of the world, 68 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: then they come back at you ten times fold. And 69 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: you see Democrats in this instance are operating in the 70 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: way that they always have, which is through fear. Oh well, 71 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: what happens when Republicans gain power? What happens you know 72 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: to us? So we have to really walk a fine 73 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: line here. Well, here's the deal. You know what will happen. Republicans, 74 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: whether using the law or doing criminal shit, are going 75 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: to stomp you into the ground like they did over 76 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: the last four years under Donald Trump. You clearly didn't 77 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: learn your lesson there, and you clearly aren't learning your 78 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: lessons right now. You think that what they're going to 79 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: comply and that you get to look blustery in the press, 80 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: and then that is actually akin to you taking real 81 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: hard action. Well, in my conversation, with Glenn Kirshner. He 82 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: will go over the fact that there's a true two 83 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: track system that Congress can be taking right now, one 84 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: of which is criminal content, the other one is inherent 85 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: where they could throw his ass in jail for up 86 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: to thirty days or up to a year. Right and 87 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: people say, well, that's a law that hasn't been used 88 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: in a hundred years, So the fuck what, It's still 89 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: a law that's on the books. Use the power that 90 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: the people gave you, because you have no problem using 91 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: the power of the law to beat and suppress and 92 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: contort black people and brown people, right push them into 93 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: the ground, push them further into the margins of society. 94 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: Give them minimum maximum sentences, which we just saw that 95 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: Governor Gavin Newsom got rid of in California, among the 96 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: myriad of things that he is doing. You know why, 97 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: because we love to throw the book at low income 98 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: people and people of color. Glen will talk to us 99 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: in this interview about the fact that you know the 100 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: DC prison system right where you hold people awaiting trial, 101 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: those jails are disgusting, they're ininhabitable. He's talked about this, 102 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: and many people have talked about this for decades, but 103 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: we don't care how black and brown people are treated 104 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: in our prison system because you know, it's set up 105 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: for their punishment. But now all of a sudden, we 106 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: have all of these white insurrectionists that are being held 107 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: and now judges want to do something about the prison 108 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: system and hold these prisons accountable for their conditions. Well, 109 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: why the fuck didn't you do that before? Oh, that's right, 110 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: because once again, black lives don't matter. Poor people's lives 111 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: don't matter, and you see, our systems are set up 112 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: to punish them to keep them down. You see, when 113 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: low level criminals do shit, right, what we find to 114 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: be true, it's at oftentimes the stealing, the drug dealing. 115 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: Those things are being done as a mode of survival. 116 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: Am I saying it should happen, No, and that people 117 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't be held accountable. Of course not. But what I 118 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: am saying is that you see, they're acting out of 119 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: desperation because they are trying to exist in a capitalistic 120 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: system that wants to grind them to a halt right, 121 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: that wants to ensure that they stay on the bottom 122 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: so that they can be the foundation for those that 123 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: are on the top. That we don't provide jobs or resources, 124 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 1: or education and housing, just the basics so that people 125 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: can thrive. No, we push them into situations where they 126 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: feel like they have no fucking options, and so the 127 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: harm that they end up doing is generally to themselves, 128 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: to their families. Right. But you see the harm that 129 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: Steve and Donald Trump, Mark Meadows, Cash Patel, David Skia, 130 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: like all of these Trumpers. You see the harm that 131 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: they did, the embezzlement, the extortion, the cruelty in their 132 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: policies that harmed the entire country, That harms our democracy, 133 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: which is on the brink. But we have to work 134 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: through certain procedures to make sure that we are following 135 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: the law to make sure that the criminal Steve Bannon right, 136 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: sees due process. What about everybody else's fucking due process. 137 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: You know what we've been shown over the past five years, 138 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: We've been shown just exactly how broken our democracy is, 139 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: how unjust our criminal justice system is, and how unwilling 140 00:08:55,240 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: our elected officials are to do any goddamn thing. Eight 141 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: months of quote unquote negotiations were happening between Senator Corey 142 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: Booker and Tim Scott, the Republican Eight months of bullshit 143 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: performative efforts to do something about policing in this country. 144 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: After we all collectively watched George Floyd have his life 145 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: pressed out of him in broad fucking daylight, we thought 146 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: this was going to be the tipping point. Certainly, this 147 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: can't be acceptable and we must be able to move on. 148 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: But what did the media do and what did police do? Oh? 149 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: They decided to hang out Derek Chauvin as that bad apple. 150 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: He doesn't represent us really because he was the one 151 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: that was doing the trainings for other police officers. He 152 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: was the one that was teaching them the ropes for 153 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: close to twenty years of his work in the police department. 154 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: So how is he not you? He is emblematic of 155 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: the entirety of our justice system, of our policing system. 156 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: But they wanted to hang him out to dry to 157 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: assuage us right and lull us into the belief that, 158 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's just a few bad apples. But as 159 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: I've said on this show and on others, it isn't 160 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: a few bad apples. It's a few bad apples that 161 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: are picked from a poisonous orchard that spans the entirety 162 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: of this country from sea to shining sea. But our 163 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: politicians given this momentous opportunity to actually do something to 164 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: show the American people that all people right deserve due process, 165 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: deserve compassion. I look all the time around New York 166 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: whenever I see police officers and they see their cars 167 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: rolling by, you know, their fucking motto about courtesy and 168 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: protection and respect, that's what they have on the side 169 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: of their cars. And it's laughable. It's almost an insult 170 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: to those communities that they patrol with such cruelty, with 171 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: such violence, with such content. But once again, our congressional 172 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: leaders fail to do anything that would actually help people, 173 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: that would make us believe that our tax dollars are 174 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: going to better our lives, not just pad the pockets 175 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: of their friends, the wealthy that want to do champagne 176 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: toasts in front of their little vacations into space that 177 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: are costing tens of millions of dollars, tens of millions 178 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: of dollars that could be used, you know, to help 179 00:11:55,679 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: our strengthen our social safety nets, to strengthen ourblic education system, healthcare, 180 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: to fight against climate change. But we don't tax the 181 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: wealthy in this country. We don't even prosecute the wealthy 182 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: in this country when they do shady shit. Folks. The 183 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: Pandora Papers, which the international consortium of journalists six hundred 184 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: plush journalists around so many countries, collectively working together to 185 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: expose just how unequal our world really is, how the 186 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: rich and the wealthy are able to skirt the laws 187 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: to work for them so that they don't have to 188 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: pay taxes, so that they can have these offshore places 189 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: that harbor all of their wealth. We are learning about this, 190 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: and you would think that it would be breaking news. 191 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: You would think that it would be a consistent story. 192 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: It's not. It has disappeared because we just shrug off 193 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: the that the rich and the wealthy and the powerful 194 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: are going to get to do whatever the fuck they want. 195 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: And oh, if I were like them, if I were 196 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: in their shoes, i'd do the same thing. You see. 197 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't, and neither would most of you, because 198 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: we function on conscience. We believe right in the collective. 199 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: We're always told about pulling yourself up from your bootstraps, 200 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: and the retort to that is, well, what if you 201 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: don't have boots? It's always, oh, let's celebrate the uber 202 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: wealthy because they did it. Alone. I remember seeing the 203 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: youngest Kardashian, Kylie Jenner, on the cover of four Self 204 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: Made Billionaire. How's that bitch? Self made? She came from 205 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: a rich, white, wealthy family, right well connected, that had 206 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: access to all of the advisors, all of the top 207 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: business people, all of the media doors swing open? How 208 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: is that self made? What did she work herself up from? 209 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: But that's the fairy tale and the lie that we 210 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: tell ourselves about the wealthy. Oh my god, they're to 211 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: be celebrated. They're to be celebrated and revered for all 212 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: of the things that they have done. Does anybody ever 213 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: talk about the fucking hands up that they continue to 214 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: get that they got from the jump. These aren't people 215 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: that should be celebrated. Of course, you can do amazing 216 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: things when you have a fucking amazing foundation and all 217 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: the money in the world, or the right name and 218 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: the money in the world. And then you want to 219 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: turn around and give the rest of us tips on 220 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: how to be successful, Go fuck yourself. I am so 221 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: tired of those fucking stories from the uber wealthy and 222 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: the well connected wanting to tell the peons that you 223 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: too can become a self made millionaire. It just takes discipline. Oh, 224 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: I wake up early in the morning, But we don't 225 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: talk about the family that also wakes up early in 226 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: the morning, the parents that are working two and three jobs, 227 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: that are taking public at transportation across hundreds of miles 228 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: because they can't afford a car to go from one 229 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: job to the next, that both are paying minimum wage 230 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: and combined are barely enough to get by. They don't 231 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: talk about the fact that that parent, those people are 232 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: doing the best that they can to also nurture their 233 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: children in a broken public school system that is probably 234 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: situated in a place that can already tell you that 235 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: the life expectancy of their children is decades off from 236 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: their wealthier counterparts across the tracks. We don't revere those 237 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: people that are literally making something out of nothing every 238 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: single day. No, we tell ourselves that the poor deserve 239 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: to be poor, that they're just lazy, and if only 240 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: they would take and adhere to the tips and tricks 241 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: of the uber wealthy, then they too would have something. 242 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: But they don't have the right mindset. It takes an 243 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: extraordinary type of person to be able to wake up 244 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: day in and day out, put a smile on your face, 245 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: work service jobs that are poorly paid. People are largely 246 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: disrespected and continue to toil in day and day out, 247 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: just trying to put one foot in front of the other. That, 248 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: to me, is your success story, the fact that they 249 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: continue to march forward against a system, against a system 250 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: that was not built for their success. Talk to me 251 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: about the low income parents, the single mom that is 252 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: able to get a degree against all odds, a degree 253 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: that will most likely put them further into debt. But 254 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: what choices do they have. America doesn't give many. So 255 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: you get a degree, you put yourself into death because 256 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: you want to provide better for your kids. We don't 257 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: celebrate that. We celebrate those that were born with silver 258 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: spoons in their mouths. We celebrate their connections and call 259 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: them ambitious. You've been given everything. If you cannot succeed 260 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: when literally the field has been cleared for you, then 261 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: you are fucking pathetic. But those are not people to 262 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: me that should be celebrated and cheered on. I don't 263 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: want their advice. It is getting so difficult. It's becoming 264 00:17:54,320 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: so difficult to be able to look for little streaks 265 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: of hope. We have workers. At the end of last week, 266 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: truck drivers that have decided to strike. We're seeing strikes 267 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: pop up all across industry. While people are telling us, Oh, 268 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: there's a worker's shortage, There isn't a worker's shortage, folks. 269 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: There is a shortage of empathetic employers. There is a 270 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: shortage of good quality jobs where you are not treated 271 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: like trash, that are paying you a living wage, that 272 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: are providing health benefits. And what we are seeing right 273 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: now is workers say fuck you pay me. And I 274 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: continue to say, I want to see strikes across industry. 275 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: I want all workers to revolt until they are given 276 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: live wages and not just fucking living wages. Why are 277 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: we always going after the bare fucking minimum. Why aren't 278 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: we setting up people so that they can thrive and 279 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: see that that trickle down is actually what it is 280 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: that we need in order to push forward. As one 281 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: of the superpowers, one of the wealthiest nations in the world, 282 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: we are as powerful as our weakest links, except we 283 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: are purposefully creating breaks in the links because we just 284 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: don't want to tell the truth that we only want 285 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: white people to thrive, we only want their success. And 286 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: then we gas like the funk out of everybody else 287 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: and make it believe that the only reason why you 288 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: don't have all of the things that you want is 289 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: because of your own actions and not the actions and 290 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: the policies that were created to ensure you're suffering. This 291 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: should be a fucking wake up moment for us all. 292 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: This should be an opportunity that Donald Trump and the 293 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: Republicans greed and cruelty exposed all the broken pieces of America, 294 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: all of the gaps that need to be filled, all 295 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: of the laws that need to be fixed in order 296 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: to have a thriving democracy, not just one that is 297 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: doing the bare minimum. We need to demand more. And 298 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: maybe that isn't with marches. Maybe it's with walkouts. Maybe 299 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: we need to flip the script on those that are powerful, 300 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: because the only reason why they have power and they 301 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: have wealth is because of how they have squeezed the 302 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: little people. How they have squeezed us of our economic viability, 303 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: how they have squeezed us of our hope. We still 304 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: do have power. We are the cogs in the machine 305 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: that can grind the machine to a halt if we 306 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: so choose as a collective our time. Dear friends, Oh 307 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: it is on the horizon, I see it coming and 308 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: I hope that you do too. Coming up next is 309 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: my conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner about the latest 310 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: moves that the one six Commission is doing and whether 311 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: or not we are going to see Steve Bannon in 312 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: cuffs or Donald Trump in cuffs or Mark Meadows in 313 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: cuffs any fucking time soon. Folks. You know that when 314 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: I have the opportunity to be joined by our friend 315 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: MSNBC legal analysts and the host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner, 316 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: I am always thrilled. Glenn. You have thirty years of 317 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: federal prosecutorial skill underneath your belt, and any time that 318 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: news breaks about the direction of Trump's acolytes, sycophants and 319 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: subpoenas comes, I'm always I'm like a kid in a 320 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: candy store, just waiting to dive in with you. Each 321 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: week tell us breaking news as and I don't know 322 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: why it's breaking, because we all knew how this was 323 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: going to roll out, that Steve Bannon is bucking the subpoena, 324 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: the request for documents, and his presence at a deposition 325 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: for the one six Commission they head. The chair of 326 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: that commission, Benny Thompson, had signaled before, but definitely said 327 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: it this week. We are going after criminal charges. No 328 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: one has the right to just turn their back on 329 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: a congressional subpoena. What we are learning the American people 330 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: is that the cops are not going to bang on 331 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon's door, are they. We're not going to see 332 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: him in handcuffs, doing a purp walk and being brought 333 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: into Congress and sat down in a seat. Tell us 334 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: why that isn't going to happen. Well, in part, it's 335 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: not happening because Congress is not getting as aggressive as 336 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: it is legally entitled to get. So, yeah, breaking news. 337 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon's still a criminal, and Congress doesn't seem to 338 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: be all that excited about holding him to account. Here's 339 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: what's going on right now, and it is a positive 340 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: development because I think I can say that at least 341 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: the justice train is preparing to leave the station sometime soon. Right, 342 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: Here's what's happening with Bannon. He just thumbed his nose 343 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: at congressional subpoenas, both for documents and for testimony. We 344 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: all knew he would. So Congress has three ways to 345 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: deal with civil enforcement. Throw that one in the garbage can, 346 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: because that's what enabled Don McGann to run out the 347 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: clock from more than two years. Civil enforcement is dead 348 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: as a vehicle to enforce congressional subpoenas because the courts 349 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: allow themselves to be weaponized. The delay in the courts 350 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: system that leaves us with two alternatives. Congress has thus 351 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: far chosen one criminal contempt referral. Here's what that looks 352 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,239 Speaker 1: like on Tuesday. And I am told, I am not 353 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: an expert on the rules of Congress, that they have 354 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: to give three days advanced time before they set this vote. 355 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: So it sounds like they're doing it promptly. They've set 356 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: the vote for Tuesday. They will vote to hold him 357 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: in contempt. That will get referred to the Department of Justice, 358 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: specifically the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia. 359 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: And here's how the law reads. The federal law says, 360 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: once it is referred to the US Attorney for the 361 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: District of Columbia, the US Attorney shall present it to 362 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: the grand jury for its action. That action will look 363 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: like criminal indictment of Steve Bannon for contempt of Congress. 364 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: That here's the good news, Danielle, and don't let me 365 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: forget to talk about the third vehicle they have inherent contempt, 366 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: because I'm always excited to talk about inherent contempt and 367 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: why Congress is not using it. But here's the good 368 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: news about him being indicted, being criminally referred for contempt. 369 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: Unlike Don McGann, Unlike Donald Trump when he's fighting the 370 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: production of his tax returns in his financial documents, which 371 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: which inspires endless litigation up and down the appellate courts, 372 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: a defendant like Steve Bennon doesn't control the delay in 373 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: his own criminal prosecution. So this is something that can 374 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: actually happen promptly. And let me tell you what the 375 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: law is. The Speedy Trial Act says, from the day 376 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: we indict somebody, the prosecutors have seventy days to bring 377 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: him to trial. Now, often the parties put into delay 378 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: that and trials in federal court rarely proceed within seventy 379 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: days of indictment. But that's what the law says, and 380 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: prosecutors can embrace that law and they can promptly take 381 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: Bannon to trial get him convicted. The punishment for one 382 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: count of contempt of Congress is no less than thirty 383 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: days in jail. No more than one year in jail. Now, 384 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,479 Speaker 1: what is the end goal here? Is it to really 385 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: produce truthful testimony from Steve Bannon. Steve Bennon is never 386 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: going to testify truthfully if it requires him to incriminate 387 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. So a couple of ways this could play out. 388 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: If he's indicted, he could negotiate a plea that says, Okay, 389 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: give me probation and tomorrow I will walk into Congress 390 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: and testify truthfully against Donald Trump. Unlikely, but that is 391 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: one of the potential outcomes of this kind of a 392 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: criminal referral. But the other thing that you accomplish by 393 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: referring Steve Bennon for prosecution and putting him in jail 394 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: for up to a year is all of a sudden 395 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: Cash Patel and Mark Meadows are like, uh, okay, I'll 396 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: come in and testify, right because they're not likely to 397 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: go to jail for a year the way Steve Bannon 398 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: might be inclined to. So there are a couple of 399 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: different advantages to going this route, even if those advantages 400 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: don't really include getting truthful testimony before Congress out of 401 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: a guy like Steve Bannon. Let me go back to 402 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: inherent contempt because you asked a perfect question. We all 403 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: knew this was coming. Why isn't somebody locking up Bannon, 404 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: bringing him to the Select Committee and forcing him to testify? 405 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: There is this lawful power of inherent contempt of Congress 406 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: that enables Congress to do just that. Let me read 407 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: what the Supreme Court said two hundred years ago about 408 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: Congress's power of contempt. The Supreme Court emphasized the importance 409 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: and value of Congress's contempt power in eighteen twenty one, 410 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: in the case of Anderson versus Down, The Court said 411 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: Congress's power to quote hold someone in contempt is essential 412 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: to ensure that Congress is not exposed to every indignity 413 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: that rudeness, caprice, or even conspiracy may make against it, 414 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: And the courts in the nineteen twenties in the nineteen 415 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: thirties affirmed that Congress's inherent power of contempt locking somebody 416 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: up and forcing them to testify is lawful and constitutional. 417 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: Why in the world is in Congress doing it? Danielle, 418 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: If we look back at the end of our republic 419 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: and we say, you know what, Congress never pulled the 420 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: inherent contempt weapon out of its arsenal to try to 421 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: use it to defend our democracy. How in the world 422 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: is everybody going to feel about that? So I have said, 423 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 1: proceed on two tracks. Criminal referral. Let's put Bannon in 424 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: prison for a year for the crime he just committed, 425 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: contempt of Congress and inherent contempt. Let's also try to 426 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: put his butt in the chair right now, Congress, you 427 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: have the tool, use it? What Glenn okay, let let's 428 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: which I never do on this show, but I have 429 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: a desire to today, Let's play Devil's advocate. What is what? 430 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 1: What could possibly be the negative response? What do you 431 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: think that the long game is for Congress as to 432 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: why they wouldn't want to use inherent contempt? Because let's 433 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: be clear, Democrats only work in reaction, right, They don't 434 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: ever assert anything. That's their problem, and that's the difference 435 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: between Democrats and Republicans. One of the many in this instance. 436 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 1: I believe that they continually look at, well, what happens 437 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: when we're not in power, and then Republicans are in power, 438 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: and then they have the same ability, and then they 439 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: use it against us. What is your response to the 440 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: tepidness with which Democrats react to the ability to use 441 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: all the power that the Constitution has granted them. Okay, so, 442 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: first of all, the Republicans will crush the Democrats by 443 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: any means necessary, lawful and unlawful, once they retake power. 444 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: So I'm not persuaded by the argument that if we 445 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: do something aggressive, lawful but aggressive, then the Republicans will 446 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: do it to us. Guess what They're gonna do it 447 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: and they're gonna do unlawful stuff. Do you yet we 448 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: saw Trump and company do it, So please don't make 449 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: that argument to me Democrats as a reason not to act. 450 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: Here are the two reasons that I can see why 451 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: they will not pull inherent contempt out of their toolbox. 452 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: One is political, one is legal. The political reason is 453 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: the one you just articulated. We would seem maybe not 454 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: just we are worried that the Republicans will do the 455 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: same to us. We're afraid of being perceived by our 456 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: bass heavy handed, overreaching, you know, punishing people and not 457 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: giving them their due process rights, to which I respond, 458 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: that's the exact wrong calculation, because if you don't do 459 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: everything you can to save your democracy, that's where you're 460 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: going to alienate your base. Take it from me, Take 461 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: it from you. Right, here's the legal that's the political right. 462 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: The legal is people say, and there's been some stuff 463 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: on the Twitter sphere about this. Well, it hasn't been 464 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: used in a hundred years, since the nineteen thirties, and 465 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: we don't really have the processes in place. So what 466 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: we need to do is put together committees and task 467 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: forces and study it and come up with proposals and 468 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: try to adopt those proposals and maybe five years from 469 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: now it will be pristine enough for us to try it. 470 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: And otherwise there's too much litigative risk. Guess what you 471 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: do all that for five years and you put if 472 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: we still have a democracy and put all those process yeah, centers, yeah, 473 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 1: and safeguards in place. There's still litigative risk because the 474 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: first time you do it again after a hundred years 475 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: of not doing it, it's going to get attacked in court. 476 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: Let's do it now, the Supreme Court, Danielle has said, 477 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: it's a lawful tool of Congress. Let's do it now. 478 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: Let's take the litigative risk now. If not now, when 479 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: is going to be a more important moment. Yeah, this 480 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: litigative risk now, I predict we will win on the 481 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: litigation risk front because we've got Supreme Court precedents saying 482 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: we can do it. The timidity and the handwringing and 483 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: the legal naval gazing will kill us, Danielle, and it's 484 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: killing our democracy. And there's no argument, there's no persuasive 485 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: argument that they should leave inherent contempt in their toolbox, 486 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: not take it out, not dust it off, and not 487 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: start to use it. No argument. That is it. For 488 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: today's Woke After Daily podcast. To hear more from today's show, 489 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: including my full interview with Glenn Kirshner, Support me on 490 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: Patreon at patreon dot com. Slash Woke AF Power to 491 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power, get woke 492 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck.