1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 2: Machio Clerk is here. Did I say that right? 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: You did? 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 2: I asked you for an easy pronunciation for a Southern girl, 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: and you laughed. How would you pronounce your name? 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 3: It's a Dutch name, and dutchess Machio Marieu Clerk. Okay, 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 3: but at the moment I stepped on the US soil, 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 3: I had to give up that my name's pronunciation, so 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: Makael or anything that comes close to it. 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'll practice. I like the way you say it, 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 2: and I apologize that I cannot say it that way. 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: Seems like it would take a little practice for me. 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: But you are a licensed mental health therapist and international speaker, 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: a dream worker, an author, and a social entrepreneur. I 16 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: told you I've been reading your book Dream Guidance, and 17 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: so that's why you're here today to talk to us 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: about this book. I am fascinated by the world of dreams, 19 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: and I love the idea of dreams as a spiritual practice. 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: I had never thought of it that way, but I 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: am a very avid dreamer. I have dreams that often 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 2: will happen in the future, which kind of freaks me 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 2: out and I don't really know what to do with 24 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: So maybe you can help me navigate that a little 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 2: bit today. But let's start, for the listeners with how 26 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: you got even involved or interested in using dreams as 27 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: a spiritual practice. 28 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: Well, I've always had intense dreams and had a natural 29 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: inclination to somehow believe that there was something to it 30 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: or something in it. Yet really, in my early twenties, 31 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: I was in a pit, a dark place in my 32 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: life where I had not dealt well with the grief 33 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: about losing my father, who died when I was ten. 34 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 3: I didn't know what to do with my future. If 35 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: I imagined my future was just completely black, and I was 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: mainly sitting on the couch doing nothing, which I thought 37 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: would be great, which turned out not to be great. 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: And so that really was a depressive place with no 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: purpose and no future vision and riddled by grief that 40 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: I didn't even know how severe it was. And then 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 3: by some fortunate circumstances, I stumbled upon the works of 42 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 3: Carl Jung and the Yea is this Western psychologist that 43 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 3: wrote extensively about dreams, and so I used his work 44 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 3: to look at my own dreams, and I started to 45 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 3: see how my own dreams formed somewhat of a psychic 46 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 3: psychological X ray what really went on inside of me 47 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 3: and both the things that were dysfunctional as inclinations of 48 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: my own soul that were moving towards a certain direction, 49 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: and if I could align with the impulses or characters 50 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 3: my soul that were doing interesting things and look at 51 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 3: the shadow that I had, I started to get a 52 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 3: threat that helped me to climb out of the pit. 53 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: And getting out of that pit, life became much more colorful, interesting, 54 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: a sense of purpose, and of course life goes up 55 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: and down, but to have a sense of meaning and 56 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: purpose is so great that I've ever since held onto 57 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 3: the world of dreams and been exploring that's wrong. 58 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you mentioned Carl Jung and what about his work. 59 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: I know a little bit about it, But what helped 60 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: really kind of bridge that that territory for you or 61 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: where did you Why did you take his work and 62 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: your work as a therapist and then move into the 63 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: dreaming specifically. 64 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: Because his work made the most sense to me. He 65 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: wrote concept that he brought into the world that are 66 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 3: used well known or ideas around shadow work, synchronicity, archetypes, 67 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: and collective unconscious and really an idea about the human 68 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 3: psyche that is layered and that there are layers that 69 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: we all share and that we can access and that's 70 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: contain insight and information. And so it was a type 71 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: of psychology that really spoke to me. And what it 72 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 3: did for me is I lived in a very narrow world. 73 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 3: I didn't really know whether there was a life after 74 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: death or not, which had become important because my dad died. 75 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 3: I was missing my dad chronically, and when I started 76 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: looking at dreams, they manifested themselves as if life goes on, 77 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: it seems not to be bothered by the end. And 78 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: so I had dreams in which I reconnected with. 79 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 4: My dad and. 80 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 3: That was of course life changing for me. But even 81 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: the notion that life might go on after death gives 82 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 3: a lot of meaning to life, because then at once 83 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: it becomes what might be a criteria at dying that 84 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: die at that moment that is important. And then I 85 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: started to know it seems to have to do with 86 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 3: consciousness and development, bringing your gifts into the world. Once 87 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: you're aligned with bringing your gift into the world, life 88 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: gets colorful. 89 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: Right, So, okay, you mentioned the word consciousness a few times. 90 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 2: When you're dreaming, What is that your subconscious? Is that unconscious? 91 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: What is guiding your dreams? 92 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: Beautiful question, and I'm so stoked to hear that you're 93 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: a dreamer. So if you just take a dream, maybe 94 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: from last night or recently, or another dream that was intense, 95 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 3: and for everyone that is listening or watching, if you 96 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 3: go back to that dream and you can see that 97 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: you are in the dream, you are in a place, 98 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: You are in an environment. You are somewhere where you're 99 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: interacting in the environment. Maybe there's a car or a 100 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: cab driver or the neighbor, and you have a conversation. 101 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: So what we know from our own experience is that 102 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: in the dream we are in a world, and that 103 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 3: world would take for real on that we're locid and 104 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 3: then we know we're in the dream world. But we 105 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: take that world for real and we have an experience, 106 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 3: and so that is the dream of the dream experience. 107 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: And in that dream experience, actually how our mind is awake. 108 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: You you know that there is a cap driver, and 109 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: you add and you talk, et cetera. It's only not 110 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: aware that you're in the dream. So, uh, it's just 111 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: a world that you find yourself in at night where 112 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 3: you have this experience and this this world is built 113 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: up out of your own belief systems and thoughts and 114 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: expectations and intent and focus and some mystery force that 115 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: helps to create this imaginable world. 116 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: Okay. 117 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: And so that is that is a dream, and that's 118 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: the dream world. And uh, this world functions somewhat in 119 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: the same way, but that is a dream world. And 120 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: then you can have all kinds of different dreams where 121 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: you see, you have an experience of what might happen 122 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: in the future like you mentioned, or you you have 123 00:07:53,960 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 3: more your personal unconscious that manifests, so you're all all 124 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: kinds of ways that you can think about the dream 125 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 3: and what happens there. But a dream is the world 126 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: you find yourself in that it's built help out of 127 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: your personal and collective on conscious or so manifestation of 128 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: your soul that creates a world. 129 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: Okay. So it is it's almost like it's just another 130 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: part of you. Like you said, your mind is still there. 131 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: Like wherever this dream world is, your mind is too. 132 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: So even if you're sleeping, it's just a different what's 133 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: the word I'm looking for just a different part of 134 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: Is it a different part of your mind or is 135 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: it just like a do you see what I'm trying 136 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: to grapple with you or what I'm grappling with Like 137 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: I see it as as a part of you. But 138 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: at the same time, I'm like, but how am I 139 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: seeing things that are going to happen in the future, 140 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: Like my brain can see that? 141 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: Well? That that backs the question, and I think it 142 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: indicates a couple of things from your own experience. 143 00:08:59,559 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: Okay. 144 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: One is that there's something in you, whether it's you 145 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 3: or some or not you, there's something in you that 146 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 3: knows about the future. And uh, this phenomenon is active 147 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 3: in your dream and you cannot build a relationship with 148 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: this mystery, mysterious force that knows what is about to happen. 149 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 3: And this mysterious force knows actually even more things, that 150 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 3: knows a lot about you, what goes well, what doesn't 151 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: go well, what your wounds are, how you can live 152 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 3: a more healthy life, how you can bring your gifts 153 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: into the world. And I love that you, out of 154 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 3: your own experience, know, hey, there's something in me that 155 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 3: knows these things. 156 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 4: And so then you. 157 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: Can build a relationship with it for for more. So 158 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: that is that is one part of it. The other 159 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 3: way is I think that uh uh also to struggle 160 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: with even if it is you, it is you on 161 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: top of it in a world. So it's your own 162 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: mind that creates a world in which you find yourself. 163 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: And in that world you if you if you follow 164 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: your dreams, you encounter either this force that predicts accurately 165 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: the future, or you can encounter other figures that are 166 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: really intelligent and can tell you things about yourself that 167 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 3: you didn't know, or if you advise or give you 168 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: in a direction. So there are states of consciousness or 169 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 3: figures in your dream that seem not to be I 170 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: they have they seem to have information that is not Yeah, 171 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 3: the little. 172 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 4: Self or the eye. 173 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 2: Right I'm processing, so like whenever I'm dreaming, okay, because 174 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: you said you can learn to work with it. I 175 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 2: have had a big fear of this, Like when I 176 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: go to sleep, I'm like like, I don't you know, 177 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 2: Or if I wake up after an intense dream, I'm like, oh, 178 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: I hope that's not real. And it kind of can 179 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 2: produce a lot of fear in me. And so in 180 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: some ways, it's almost like I don't want to know 181 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: if that makes sense, And so you're saying use it, 182 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: work with it, and in your book, that's actually what 183 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: your entire book is about, is how to use our 184 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: dreams as a spiritual practice. So what about the people 185 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: who are listening that might be like me, that are like, yeah, 186 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: but I'm scared of that or that, you know, whatever 187 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: that is. What do I do with that? 188 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: Well, explore it and you can start having a conversation 189 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 3: with it. Just say, gosh, dream or mystery. I know 190 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: you're there, and I've seen that you accurately are able 191 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 3: to predict what happens, which is really remarkable. And I'm 192 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: also a little bit afraid for you or what you're 193 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: going to show. So let's let's tame it down a 194 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 3: little bit and let start small and maybe a dream 195 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: or mystery you can help me and show me one 196 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: thing I can do to love myself more deeply, and 197 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: then see what it does. And it is interested in 198 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 3: helping and educating, so it will show you something you 199 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: can do to love yourself more deeply, and then you 200 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: build a more trusting relationship with this force, and so 201 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 3: you have a better relationship and then you don't have 202 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 3: to be afraid for it. But of course, sometimes life 203 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: will will show things that we don't really like to see. 204 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 3: It could be an accident or a person dying, or 205 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 3: something that we don't really like, but it will happen anyway, 206 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 3: whether the dream shows it to us or not. So 207 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: if the dream shows it to us, we can find 208 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: ways to prepare for it or learn to learn to 209 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: engage with it in a way that is helpful for us. 210 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes total sense. And also, like sometimes the 211 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: things I was seeing, you know, even if I don't 212 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: like them, I think that's why I have fears, because 213 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 2: they would be things that were painful. But in reality too, 214 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: those were situations where I needed to make some different 215 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: choices and the awareness allowed me to see the truth. 216 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: You know. Maybe I didn't want to accept the truth 217 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: and it was painful, but like, ultimately, that's not in 218 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: my highest good to be in a situation that isn't 219 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: I wasn't either getting the truth or that you know, 220 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 2: wasn't in line with who I am or things like that. 221 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess it is better to lean into it. Well, 222 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: let's talk through your book really breaks down how people 223 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: can communicate with their dreams or communicate with themselves before 224 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: their dreams and ask questions, and there's all these different 225 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: steps that you go through, which is fascinating to me 226 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: because it makes it seem so simple. And so let's 227 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: break those down. First of all, what is dream incubation? 228 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: Is there an easy summary of that? Because you use 229 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: that term so often in the book, and I just 230 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: want to maybe if it does come up, I want 231 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: people to understand what that is. 232 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 3: Yes, So, dream incubation is a very old technique in 233 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: which people ask the dream a question before they go 234 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: to sleep, okay, in order for the dream to respond 235 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 3: to their question. And this has come back in almost 236 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: any spiritual and religious tradition around the world. The thoughts 237 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: are somewhat different of whether there is a god or 238 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: a divine or a spirit guide that answers in the 239 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: dream or the ancestors. But somehow every culture spiritual tradition 240 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: has figured out that there is a mystery force in 241 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: the dream, like you know, and that it knows things 242 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: about us and that we can proactively engage with it. 243 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: So some dreams by nature bring us something helpful. However, 244 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: we don't have to wait for the dream to come 245 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: to us. We can ask a question for anything that's 246 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: relevant to our live path. 247 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: So if we can ask any questions, how would we 248 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: know what questions to ask? 249 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: Yes, So any question that is a question that's in 250 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: your heart or on your mind that's relevant to your 251 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: life path that you can ask And so you could 252 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 3: do now for example and the people that listen, just 253 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: a really simple practice, and that is take a couple 254 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: of breaths and ask yourself what would I like to ask? 255 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 3: And then see what comes up. And I don't know 256 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: if you have anything that comes up and that you 257 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: want to share and if you want, great, If you not, 258 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: it's also fun. 259 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: I mean I have eight hundred questions. 260 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: Take the first one. 261 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: Okay. Career wise, I've sort of been like, what's the 262 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: next thing? Like what direction do I need to go in? 263 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: Because some things have shifted and I feel like I'm 264 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: being called to grow something but I'm not clear on 265 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: exactly what that is. But I don't even know how 266 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: to word the question. Does that make sense? 267 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 3: Now? But this is great? 268 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 4: That is step one. 269 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 3: You identify, Hey, there is something in me that feels 270 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: that there is a call to do something else or 271 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: something new Okay. Then in step two you can formulate 272 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: the right question and that is sometimes a little puzzle, 273 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 3: but you could sometimes it's clear, like you can ask, 274 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 3: is what direction would be soul? What direction do you 275 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: want to grow into? 276 00:16:58,760 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: Okay? 277 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: That that could be could also be that it is 278 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: a little bit too. 279 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 4: Broad, right, that. 280 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 3: You have to narrow it down and ask questions, what 281 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 3: could I focus upon right now that would be in 282 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 3: the benefit of the growth of my soul. Then you 283 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 3: get one thing and you just can focus on that 284 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 3: one thing that will be maybe a stepping stone that 285 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: gives you insight in the into what is next, because 286 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: maybe it shows you, maybe it shows you something in 287 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 3: general where you need to go, but your own soul 288 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,239 Speaker 3: wants you to figure it out a little bit on 289 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 3: your own. So what is the next step that I 290 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: need to focus upon? And then you will see what 291 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 3: that is? 292 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: Okay? 293 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 294 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 2: It does so because in the book you mentioned like 295 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: the way that you ask the question is really important 296 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: because especially if we ask a question that has two 297 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: questions within one sentence, it can really get confused in 298 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: our dreams or maybe you don't get the clarity that 299 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 2: you're looking for and so is that So maybe it's 300 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: like one of those things that you can try a 301 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 2: couple different times. Like if I had that question, then 302 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: I dream something and I'm like, what this doesn't make sense? 303 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: Could I just rephrase the question the next night? 304 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 3: You can always rephrase it. I always house people puzzle 305 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 3: a little bit, and you can say to the mystery, 306 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 3: thank you for entering makes no sense. 307 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 4: I'm gonna retry this, right. 308 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: It is always willing to help. But let's say that 309 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 3: you would ask the question, what could I focus upon 310 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 3: right now that would be helpful for the next step 311 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: in my career? Okay, that is one question. This is 312 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 3: just one question. If you would say what could I 313 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: do for my career? And how do I find a 314 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: great law or how do I be a better partner? Whatever, 315 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 3: then things get quickly conformed. 316 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, your dreams are like what do you want to know? 317 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: This is a lot, this is your whole life here. 318 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, throw everything at you and then you don't also 319 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 3: not know which part of the dream refers to the partner. 320 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 4: And to write and to money. 321 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: And okay, okay, so then let's talk about like what 322 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: is the importance that then you have a dream like 323 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: I actually tried this two nights ago and had the 324 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 2: weirdest dream. I have no idea what it meant, and 325 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: I already forgot it, So, like I guess, I think 326 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: in the book you really mentioned like the importance of 327 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 2: the second you wake up you have to write it down. 328 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: Is that one of the steps correct? 329 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct. And at night your short term memory 330 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: goes offline. Okay, that's why you don't remember your dreams 331 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 3: when it comes back when you wake up. So the 332 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 3: best thing to do is when you wake up in 333 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: the morning, repeat the dream three times so that you 334 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 3: that it gets stored back in your memory, and then 335 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 3: write it down at the minimum a couple of keywords, 336 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 3: but preferably the whole dream, because dreams evaporate and that 337 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 3: there's nothing to do with intelligence or willpower. It's just 338 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 3: that the brain doesn't store it correctly well in the morning, 339 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 3: So write it down and and and it's not Sometimes 340 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 3: it's very clear the dream response, but sometimes it's also 341 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: it gets information that you hadn't thought about yet, So 342 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: it comes from an angle that you hadn't pondered about, 343 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 3: and so it's it's new information, and it's very easy 344 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 3: to dismiss it. And if you just write it down 345 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: and come back an hour later, or you read the 346 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: dream to a friend and you say gosh, and then 347 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: you read it out loud, very often it's at once 348 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 3: oh oh, now it makes sense. 349 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember that. I do remember asking a question. 350 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: I wish I can't even remember the question now, but 351 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: I asked a question, and then I had the most 352 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: random dream and I was I think the reason I 353 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: didn't write it down is because I was thinking this 354 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: was really off. But maybe it was actually telling me 355 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: something that I just couldn't quite piece together. 356 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 3: That is my working uh, my working hypothesis. I'm radical. 357 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: I think that if you ask this mystery source within 358 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 3: that knows about the future and that knows about you, 359 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 3: a question that it will answer and and and so 360 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 3: I also consider it more intelligent than than humans. Right, 361 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: So it answers in usually a dream form, and dreams 362 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: are metaphorical by nature their environments and not just a 363 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 3: little letter to us. So it takes a little bit 364 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 3: of puzzling to figure it out. And we can talk 365 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 3: about how you can puzzle with your dream, but I 366 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 3: encourage people write it down, just treat it as if 367 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 3: you were meeting this wise, compassionate counselor that gives you 368 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: an answer. It might be a little bit riddled for 369 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 3: you when you wake up, and your consciousness might think 370 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 3: that is silly or that's weird, there's nothing to do 371 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 3: with me. Especially then write it down because it might 372 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 3: be coming from an angle that you didn't think about 373 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: and give you the answer that you were looking for. 374 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: Okay, this is feeling really so. I did a psilocybin 375 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: journey with a shaman. I guess this is about a 376 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: year ago now, and so much of this is feeling 377 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 2: really familiar to me because during that journey I had 378 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 2: all of these visions, but I couldn't really make sense 379 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: of a lot of them, and I wanted to write 380 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: them down at the end of the No, they'll they'll 381 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 2: reveal themselves when it's ready, and like it has been 382 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 2: so true, certain things will ping back to me and 383 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 2: they'll make complete sense. Or like, it's just so interesting 384 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: what came up not really being the thing that I 385 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 2: thought I needed to work through at the time, you know, 386 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: like it's always just so interesting that I think that 387 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 2: our minds are subconscious unconscious, all of these different things 388 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: are just so much more powerful than we actually even 389 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: ever know, and so we're just like walking around the 390 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: world trying to think our way through things, and it's like, no, 391 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 2: it's all there to be revealed if we just quiet 392 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: our minds enough to see it or listen to it. 393 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 3: I totally agree, and I think that a psilocybin or 394 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 3: a yauasca journey actually a journey into a similar realm 395 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 3: as to dream, and it's built up sim literally as dream. 396 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 3: So dreams are maybe little drops of mushroom journeys, yes, 397 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 3: ayahuasca journeys. Yeah, you can access the same states of 398 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: intelligence and consciousness, just in a much smaller dose. But 399 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: the way you can engage in the in the mushroom 400 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 3: journey with the environment and ask it questions and how 401 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: your thoughts co create the environment and how there are 402 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 3: sometimes figures that tell you things you didn't know. Same 403 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: same for the dream and at the end of the day, 404 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 3: same same for this reality. But this reality is super 405 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: dense and the dream and the hyahuascar world or the 406 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 3: mushroom world are much more fluid because it's form, it's 407 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 3: it's it's a it's a different form of imagination or the. 408 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: Soul or right it's just more amplified. Yeah, so you 409 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: mentioned the puzzle after you know, basically you write your 410 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: dream down. So I mean, are people oftentimes misinterpreting dreams 411 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: or like, you know, you can go find books and 412 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, I think I heard you on a 413 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: podcast say like a snake can mean many different things 414 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: and a dream. So if you go read these books 415 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 2: that are like dream interpretations, maybe that's not what your 416 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: mind was actually meaning. So how do we know if 417 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: we're accurately interpreting these dreams? 418 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the million dollar. 419 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: Question, right. I was hoping you could answer. 420 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: Some things that seems Carl you had this notion he said, 421 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: if you have the sense that it clicks, so that 422 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: your interpretation that it clicks is very often an indication. 423 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 3: It's not hundred percent the case because we all know 424 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: people who have a vision or an idea that really 425 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 3: clicks for them, and we can see that it is 426 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 3: not really uh accurate, so usually it clicks. 427 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 4: Method. 428 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 3: The other is the more you understand about how these 429 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 3: worlds get created, the easier it becomes to to to 430 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 3: to work with them. And for example, the dream world 431 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 3: is a combination between your personal unconscious beliefs and thoughts 432 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: and experiences and something else that mystery force that you 433 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 3: encountered that creates it. And so let's say, Uh, I 434 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 3: would have a dream in which my neighbor gets I 435 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 3: don't know, gets a new car and I'm jealous because 436 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 3: I wanted to have that car. 437 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 4: And then. 438 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 3: My previous friend John comes by, and that's the dream, 439 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: and uh and and then you would maybe ask what 440 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 3: do you associate to John? And would say, oh, John 441 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: is a previous friend who is. 442 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 4: Very jealous or envious. 443 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 3: And then uh, you could say, your your belief systems 444 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 3: and experiences take on form and shape of people and 445 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 3: objects that we know where we have a certain association to. 446 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: So John is jealous or envious. Maybe so and so 447 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 3: is Maybe my former boss is critical, so then he 448 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 3: comes in the dream as criticalness. But that's very personal 449 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 3: because your former boss, Uh, maybe you know, maybe you 450 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 3: would know John too, and we would say, oh, no, John, 451 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 3: I know John very well. John is generous, So you 452 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 3: have a different experience of John. So in your dream, 453 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 3: John would be the presentation of generosity, where in my 454 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 3: dream he would be envy. And so we could you 455 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: cannot say one thing or one character means the same 456 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 3: thing to everything. There's a personal layer. You get to 457 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 3: that personal layer by asking the question, what do I 458 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 3: associate to this figure? 459 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: Okay? 460 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 3: So that is one little technique, and that gives some 461 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 3: understanding of this dream work. Another is the question you 462 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 3: can ask is what is the function of this so 463 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: a car, what is the function of the car? Or 464 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 3: the car move me through life? Okay, so my way 465 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 3: of moving through life? And then I can look at 466 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 3: the dream what my way of moving through life is doing. 467 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: Maybe I can get the breaks to work or the 468 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: way I move through life, and I seem not to 469 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: be able to stop or to get to the steering will, 470 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 3: and I feel out of control. So those two things 471 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 3: can help people work with their dream without the need 472 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: to go to the dream dictionary. Because the tiger or 473 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: the snake means in one culture dish and on the 474 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 3: other culture death, and it could mean something, but it 475 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 3: also could not mean. 476 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: That, right, But how do we know? So I actually 477 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,719 Speaker 2: when you said the thing about I can't remember how 478 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: you worded it, but it reminds me of the gut, 479 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: like my gut always knows, like when I've had dreams 480 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: in the past, and they were so vivid that I 481 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: wished I could forget them, but I couldn't, and then 482 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: I would something would happen, and I'm like, oh, this 483 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 2: is what this meant. And I knew so clearly, like 484 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 2: it wasn't There was no question in my mind. My 485 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: body was very calm, even if it was negative things, 486 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: And so to me, that was when I knew my 487 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: dream was right. 488 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 489 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 3: I love that notion when you said, also, my body 490 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 3: was calm. I think that it's very often an indication 491 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 3: that there the hero on the right track. Yeah, it's 492 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: if it's something you don't plung or this person is 493 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 3: going to die, but if you feel very calm, it's 494 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 3: probably right. 495 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: The other thing I love that you mentioned in the book, though, 496 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: is like a dream isn't a genie because I think 497 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: a lot of times we associate Okay, well, if I 498 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: can talk to my dreams, I can get answers in 499 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: my dreams, I'm just going to ask for all the things. 500 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: Like a lot of times people associate prayer with that too, 501 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: write like dear God, give me a million dollars, like 502 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: you know, or whatever it is. So what is it 503 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 2: if a dream isn't a genie, what would you even 504 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 2: call a dream? Like, why do we need this for 505 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: our spiritual practice? 506 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 3: Because it really works for spiritual practice, and it doesn't 507 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 3: really work well for the million dollars in general unless 508 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: it belongs to your spiritual practice. 509 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 2: Okay. 510 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 3: And so they've done some research at Harvard University on 511 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 3: a dream incubation, and what they notice is that the 512 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 3: students who would ask questions that were emotionally irrelevant to 513 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 3: them or of medical nature would get a high percentage 514 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 3: of dreams that would make sense to their question. People 515 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 3: that would ask questions that were too conceptual not personally 516 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: irrelevant would not get an answer. So it looks like 517 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 3: this mysterious force that knows is interested in helping and 518 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 3: educating in you becoming you, or you working through your karma, 519 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 3: or helping you with your emotional life soul's purpose. Then 520 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 3: you get answers. But if you would ask what did 521 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 3: my neighbor have for dinner? How do I get the 522 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 3: ferrari or the million dollars? It just doesn't have to 523 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 3: do with the flourishing of you as an individual, and 524 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: that is what it wants to support. If you would 525 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 3: ask the question, how can I with my work, touch 526 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 3: more people that become more fulfilled, and that I can 527 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 3: earn a living with that. Oh there is the dream 528 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 3: at once is really interested because now it's going to 529 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 3: help you bring your gift in an optimal way into 530 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 3: the world. Yeah, and that you get paid for it 531 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 3: is also a regular thing. 532 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 2: Okay. I love that that piece of just like it 533 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 2: has to be in line with your soul's purpose and 534 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 2: your spiritual journey, because I think a lot of times 535 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: in our culture it gets lost that we're not all 536 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: on the same journey striving for the same thing. Like 537 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of times the picture is painted 538 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 2: of what success should look like like success looks like 539 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: a big house, a ferrari, millions of dollars, all of 540 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 2: those things. And it could but you know, your life, 541 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: in your spiritual path and your journey could call for 542 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: something totally different. And so what I hear you saying 543 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: is this dreaming and really tapping into your dreams and 544 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: working with your dreams is another form of really finding 545 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: your own uniqueness and going on your own journey and 546 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: not having to like map out your life based on 547 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 2: what everyone else is doing or what someone else tells you, 548 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 2: which look. 549 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 3: Like beautifully said. And indeed it's the it's the core 550 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: of this, this notion. And also that you have this 551 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 3: this this wise compassionate counselor insight that knows what that 552 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 3: can help you with your journey. So it gives tailor 553 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 3: made answers to your situation in ways that no other 554 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,479 Speaker 3: system really can do because it knows how you have 555 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 3: this wound. And in order for you to work with 556 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 3: this wound, you want to develop this or you need 557 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 3: this experience. And that is so unique. And there's only 558 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: the world is as only uniqueness. There's there's there's not 559 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,439 Speaker 3: even two flakes of snow who are the same. There's 560 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 3: no two humans who have the same path. Uh And 561 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 3: and so there is not really one guideline or one 562 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 3: book that can help a person. If you do this, 563 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 3: then you will be happy, right. 564 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 2: And it's interesting because that is how we live a 565 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: lot of our lives. I mean, I know that I 566 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 2: have like if you go through a bad breakup, well 567 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 2: I want the self help books that are going to 568 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 2: help me get to the other side. But every relationship 569 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: is different, every person is different, and there is no 570 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 2: one size fits all healing or journey. I love that 571 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 2: you mentioned like the only like the wound part, like 572 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 2: this is the one place that knows all of your wounds, 573 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 2: Like it is true more than even your therapist would it. 574 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 2: It can break down every piece of you that maybe 575 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 2: you're not even conscious of and work with that. Yeah. 576 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it can show you the next step. That's 577 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 3: just like what you asked with your career. Maybe what's 578 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 3: the next step? Because this step will lead you to 579 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 3: that and then you're there and then immediately saying you 580 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 3: need to be there, you know, it's like, oh, maybe 581 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 3: you first need to go to Atlanta before you actually 582 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 3: end up in Seattle, but there was something there, So 583 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 3: if I tell you you need to go to Seattle, 584 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 3: you might miss Atlanta. Right, So it will tell you 585 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 3: if you ask the next step, you say, oh, oh, 586 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 3: just that is it? Yeah, and with wounds the same 587 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 3: it were stuck in. I still this grudge about my ex. 588 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 3: How can I let go? What's one thing I can 589 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,280 Speaker 3: do to let go? And then your dream will show 590 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 3: a scene or an experience that you can mimic to 591 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 3: let go of the grudge. 592 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, this is fascinating to me. So I love. 593 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 2: When I was talking to your book publisher, she said, 594 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 2: one of the main topics that she loved is how 595 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 2: dreams can help with love, health, purpose, and personal development. 596 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 2: And so I feel like a lot of the listeners 597 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 2: like because when I read that, I was like, Okay, 598 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 2: how do I mean like help me in love? Like 599 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 2: what you know? And so is it just it's a journey? 600 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 4: Right? 601 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 2: I'm assuming this isn't like I'm going to go to 602 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 2: sleep tonight and figure my whole entire life out. I 603 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 2: wish that would be amazing. But is there a specific 604 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 2: place that you would suggest to listeners to start, because 605 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 2: I think even coming out of this this time, this pandemic, 606 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 2: all of this stuff, everyone is asking questions like do 607 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 2: I like this job that I'm in. We've really kind 608 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 2: of had this moment of evaluating our lives and what 609 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 2: we're putting our energy into. So it can be a 610 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 2: little overwhelming to be going on any sort of spiritual 611 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: journey right now. So do you have a suggestion of 612 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 2: just how to decipher where to start in your practice 613 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 2: with dreams? 614 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 3: Well, of course, individual for everyone. If you have a 615 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 3: burning question, take that question, and sometimes it's a huge 616 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 3: question that will be a process and to figure it out, 617 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 3: because let's say you want to have a great relationship, 618 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 3: most likely that's going to take a lot of steps 619 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 3: before you're there. 620 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, and. 621 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 3: Because there's so many components in it. But if people 622 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 3: are listening and they want to ask a question tonight, 623 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 3: things that have worked really well that I didn't studies 624 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 3: with a question as what is one type of food 625 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 3: that would be really healthy for me to eat? And 626 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 3: that that triggers an exceptionally high positive response with clear answers. 627 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 3: Another one that is that's always great is we talked 628 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 3: about before, what is one thing I can do to 629 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 3: love myself more deeply? And of course if I love 630 00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 3: myself more deeply, I can be open hearted and connec 631 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 3: are others more deeply, because it's very hard to give 632 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 3: what you don't have. And so those are two questions 633 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 3: that generally work really well that people can practice tonight 634 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 3: in order for them if they want to do that, 635 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 3: make sure you write it down because that seems to 636 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 3: be important. Create a little ritual, so talk to the dream, 637 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 3: make a drawing, write a letter, light a candle, dance 638 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 3: whatever comes up for you, but just that you communicate 639 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 3: to the mystery. I'd love to have some help. I 640 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 3: was listening to this guy talking to Kelly today and 641 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 3: I'm not sure dream if you can do this, but 642 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 3: would that be cool? Yes, please let me know if 643 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 3: you can answer. And then you just write down the 644 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 3: question and you'd be just honest in that relationship. You 645 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 3: tell it and then the next morning you have to 646 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 3: write it down. But otherwise it's gone, and that's not good. 647 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 3: Uh communication with the with the mystery and uh and 648 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 3: and you and probably you will have a tool, but 649 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 3: you can apply the rest for your life. How often 650 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 3: how little you want for challenges and uh and and 651 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 3: and quests. 652 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 2: That you're on. Okay, so what kind of food could 653 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 2: I help? What was it again? 654 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 3: What is one type that that is usually where it is? 655 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 3: Make it very simple? What is one type of food 656 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 3: that would be very healthy for me to eat? What 657 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 3: you would enjoy eating? And like my mother did do this, 658 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 3: and she was dreaming that she had all that. She was, uh, 659 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 3: we're all kinds of glasses with water on the table, 660 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 3: and she took a couple of chips and then she 661 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 3: she forgot about it. She was like, oh, yeah, I 662 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 3: very often start drinking water during the day. I forget 663 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 3: about it. But here are even eight glasses of water. 664 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 3: So let me make sure that I drink eight glasses 665 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 3: of water. 666 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 2: So she needed more water. 667 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 3: She needed more water. 668 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 2: I just wasn't. This is interesting because I remember I 669 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 2: was telling you before this podcast, I've had COVID and 670 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 2: I've just I have not really bounced back, and so 671 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 2: I'm going to try this one tonight. 672 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, or even with what is one thing I can 673 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 3: do to recover or heal from COVID? Okay, and then 674 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 3: internally something will know? Yeah, the old Greek tradition of Esclapists, 675 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 3: which was a thousand year tradition, people would go to 676 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 3: the temple of Esclapists with medical problems because they didn't know, 677 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 3: and somehow you will get something that will help you 678 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 3: to heal. 679 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 2: Right, my body knows. I just maybe am somehow not 680 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 2: in touch with that yet. Right, Okay, I'm gonna try 681 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 2: this tonight. I'll report back to you. The book is 682 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 2: called Dream Guidance, Connecting to the Soul through Dream Incubation, 683 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 2: And actually in the back of the book you give 684 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: people some questions to ask if they're getting stuck on 685 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 2: you know how. I kind of was like, oh, this 686 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 2: is overwhelming. What do I ask? And so you break 687 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 2: down like questions to ask in love and relationships, your 688 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 2: life path, personal growth, health finances, spiritual explorations. So if 689 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 2: you guys are listening and you're like I wouldn't even 690 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 2: know where to start, get the book. It's a really 691 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 2: good place to start. And it kind of just breaks 692 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 2: down your journey and how you came into this work 693 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 2: with dreams. So I highly recommend. I am fascinated with dreams, 694 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 2: and like I said, I've been a little scared of 695 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 2: my dreams sometimes, but I'm going to try to, you know, 696 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 2: accept that and know that my inner knowing wants to 697 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 2: tell me some stuff. 698 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that the inner knowing is really interested in 699 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 3: helping and educating, right, and that it wants to help 700 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 3: you live fulfilling life. 701 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always true. I say. There's you know, these 702 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 2: painful things that come up. But again it is the 703 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 2: stuff that's like if I stay here, my higher purpose 704 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 2: or my higher self cannot thrive. Like it's something that 705 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 2: needs to leave my life usually, and so it is 706 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 2: trying to help me, I think, but it's sometimes just 707 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 2: like damn it, you know, why isn't that different? That's 708 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 2: just life though? 709 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, nobody likes their own wounds, and but by 710 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 3: ignoring the wounds, we, as you mentioned, we remain stuck 711 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,720 Speaker 3: in those pockets. And the psyche, just like your body 712 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 3: will heal itself, the psyche will heal itself if we 713 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 3: engage with it, so we don't even have to figure 714 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 3: it out. It's just like the cut on your arm. 715 00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 3: You need to clean it. You don't have to figure 716 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 3: out how your skin regrows in a great way. The 717 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 3: same with internal bounds. Engage with it, clean it, and 718 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 3: then the soul will will recreate it in a way 719 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 3: that it doesn't hurt so much anymore. 720 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 4: Who doesn't want that exactly? 721 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you so much, you guys, go 722 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 2: check out this book. I'm going to put all the 723 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 2: description I'm gonna sorry, I'm gonna put the link to 724 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 2: this book in the description of this podcast. Is there 725 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 2: somewhere else that people can find you if they want 726 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,360 Speaker 2: to follow along on your journey? 727 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 3: Yes, they can. I often say, just type in dream guidance, 728 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 3: then probably my name in the book will come up. 729 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 3: You will find my website because my website is my name. 730 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 3: It's a little difficult. Dot com M A C H 731 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,839 Speaker 3: I L K L E r k dot com. Maybe 732 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 3: it's in the notes, or go to your platform j 733 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,760 Speaker 3: u n G platform. It's a company I started based 734 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 3: in a dream, out of a dream, and there was 735 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 3: a vocational dream that I've now been working on for years. 736 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 3: And there we provide great programs on shadow work and 737 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:11,359 Speaker 3: synchronicity and dream work and all kinds of spiritual psychological 738 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 3: programs for beginners and intermediate spiritual explorers in the world. 739 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 2: Amazing. I will put all of this in the description 740 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 2: of the podcast so you guys can easily find it, 741 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 2: but go check it out and mckaale no Machiel got it. 742 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 2: I knew I was going to get there. Thank you 743 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 2: so much for just helping us decipher our dreams. I'm 744 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 2: so excited to try this tonight and really dive into 745 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:41,919 Speaker 2: this kind of work. 746 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 3: Thank you, Kelly, it was a pleasure to be with you. 747 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 2: Thank you guys for listening. 748 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, 749 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: where we believe everyone has a little velvet in a 750 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 1: little edge. Subscribe for more conversations on life, style, beauty, 751 00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: and relationships. Search Velvet's Edge wherever you get your podcasts.