WEBVTT - How Cannibalism Works

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should Know

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<v Speaker 1>from house Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast Josh and Chuck here Say hi, Chuck, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Chuck. Um. Have you been paying attention to that

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<v Speaker 1>that story that came out of Canada this past ually,

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<v Speaker 1>that that um grizzly murder on the on the Greyhound bus. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was It's you couldn't write something that ghastly. No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>you really can't. So well, I guess we should probably

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<v Speaker 1>fill in anybody who's not aware of it. There's this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>UM named Vince Lee who allegedly, out of nowhere, uh

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<v Speaker 1>leans over in this bus and the dark of night

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<v Speaker 1>that's just traveling down the planes of Manitoba thing uh

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<v Speaker 1>and he just leans over and um starts stabbing this

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<v Speaker 1>guy sitting next to him, who's never met before, and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently witnesses say that they hadn't even spoken. Now, completely unprovoked.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and just stabs him and stabs and stabs him,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody just starts fleeing the bus and they end

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<v Speaker 1>up locking this guy on there and he starts walking

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<v Speaker 1>around back and forth like kind of I got the

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<v Speaker 1>impression kind of like a caged animal. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>guess he gets the the idea to go back and

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<v Speaker 1>UM cut the victim's head off. He's not dead, but

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<v Speaker 1>he cuts his head off, and he's walking around with

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<v Speaker 1>the bus exactly and apparently he dropped this poor guy's

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<v Speaker 1>head um in front of the witnesses, like at the

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<v Speaker 1>steps at the front door of the bus, who were

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<v Speaker 1>these people were holding the doors closed to trap them on. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's this one other This is bad enough, right right, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's this he did something else that just I

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<v Speaker 1>think it makes everything kind of even worse. Um. He

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<v Speaker 1>he walked back and started cutting off pieces of the

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<v Speaker 1>guy and eating them. And this should have had a

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<v Speaker 1>little warning before this podcast this, yeah, maybe, so hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>from the title people will be a little prepared. So basically, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I started researching this. I had heard about it. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>this this incredibly ghastly murder. Uh. And I at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>I was writing or researching h an article how cannibalism works.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm thinking, you know, as as grim as it is,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is this is pretty good story to use

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<v Speaker 1>as a lead as an introduction for the article, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And the more I started researching it, the more I

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<v Speaker 1>realized I had this perfect line. It was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when uh, when Mr Lee, I should say, allegedly he's

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<v Speaker 1>been charged, but he hasn't been convicted. Um, you know

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<v Speaker 1>eight that that those bits of flesh. He went from

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<v Speaker 1>a mere murderer to you know, something like a monster,

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<v Speaker 1>like a cannibal. Right. But the more I looked into

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<v Speaker 1>this story, like, honestly, the cannibalism almost falls in line

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<v Speaker 1>with everything else he was doing. It was such an

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<v Speaker 1>unspeakable act that didn't stand out. The cannibalism was also

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<v Speaker 1>or almost muted by the rest of this stuff. So

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<v Speaker 1>instead I went with armand Mavus, right, which was another

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<v Speaker 1>really bizarre and ghastly story. It really was. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not nearly I don't find it nearly as disconcerting

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<v Speaker 1>as as um the greyhound bus story. Yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 1>a little more frightening. This is definitely definitely creepy, though.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this was a consenting adult, right, So you

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell them about Mr MAVs, Well, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a guy I believe he put an ad on

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<v Speaker 1>in the newspapers or on a website, personal's website. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>looking for someone who would allow themselves to be eaten

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<v Speaker 1>by this guy. And what's that's remarkable enough? But he

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<v Speaker 1>had he had a taker, well, he had he got

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<v Speaker 1>close a few times apparently. But yeah, this one guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Burnt Jurgen Brandis right, forty three wasn't exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>Mavas was looking for. Mavus was advertising in eighteen to

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<v Speaker 1>thirty year old well built guy and apparently, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a little less picky time on exactly. Yeah, Um, so

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<v Speaker 1>Brandis comes over and um, they basically get him drunk,

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<v Speaker 1>he's taken some painkillers and um Mr Mivas cuts off

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<v Speaker 1>his his penis and proceeds to cook it for the

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<v Speaker 1>both of them, for the both of them, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't put in the article, but what I gathered

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<v Speaker 1>was that they both ate some and didn't really like it. Right, So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>this by this time, Brandis, who's like totally concerning, fully

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<v Speaker 1>aware of what's going on, what's going to happen, that

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to die tonight. This is what he came

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<v Speaker 1>over for. Um, he goes to take a bath because

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<v Speaker 1>he's just bleeding everywhere. His penis is cut off right, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and he goes to take a bath and uh he

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<v Speaker 1>loses consciousness in the bath. So myvas is like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's you're done, and uh cuts the guy's throat

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<v Speaker 1>and actually had set up like a basically a butcher

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<v Speaker 1>room where he butchered guy and um, I guess made

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<v Speaker 1>steaks out of him flying over a period of time,

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<v Speaker 1>he ate ate his body, right, four pounds of this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's body over there over a few months. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>is he was he had totally gotten away with it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like there was the police had no idea this had happened. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no like missing person's report as far as

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<v Speaker 1>I know or anything like that. And the way he

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<v Speaker 1>was Um, the way he was caught was uh, some

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<v Speaker 1>some fellow chat room dwellers uh knew what Mivas was

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<v Speaker 1>doing and apparently got when that it had been successful

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever an alerted police and they found out and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh, yeah, totally, it was great. Right. So UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I think what's most remarkable about this story is not

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<v Speaker 1>only that this guy did this, but there was no

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<v Speaker 1>law against cannibalism at the time in Germany, so he

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<v Speaker 1>was tried from or is being tried for murder. First

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<v Speaker 1>they had him on UM. I think they had him

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<v Speaker 1>on manslaughter, right, and because you know other guy consented,

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<v Speaker 1>he consented uh And and there was such outrage in

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<v Speaker 1>Germany um against it that that they're they're retrying him

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<v Speaker 1>somehow for murder um. But yeah, there there is no

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<v Speaker 1>law in the books. I think there is now um.

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<v Speaker 1>And the same goes for the UK. I really really

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<v Speaker 1>try to could not find any federal statute outlawing cannibalism

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<v Speaker 1>in the US, but I did find vague references that

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<v Speaker 1>it is illegal, but I couldn't find any actual law.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing is, it's almost like you don't really

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<v Speaker 1>have to outlaw cannibalism because it's a taboo completely. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's beyond the law. It exists beyond the law.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something way worse than anything that we need to

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<v Speaker 1>sanction legally. You would think you would think, right, So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>what what Mivas and um Lee allegedly and Albert Fish

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<v Speaker 1>who is a murdering uh pederas cannibal of the nineteen twenties, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course one of the most famous of all,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Dahmer, what what they're what they were doing is

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<v Speaker 1>called pathological cannibalism, which basically that's that's psychology that has

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<v Speaker 1>very little to do with anthropology. The rest of cannibalism

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<v Speaker 1>falls very much into the realm of anthropology, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>been studied and study. It's actually one of the more

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<v Speaker 1>interesting fields of study, or sub fields of study, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>in in any aspect of anthropology. What what do you think? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, as far as cannibalism is religious custom and

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<v Speaker 1>offering up to the gods, that kind of thing with

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<v Speaker 1>the as, that's part of it. Yeah, there's there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of different Yeah, there's different subsets and different kinds

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<v Speaker 1>you know, probably disturbing. Well, I don't, I know, you

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<v Speaker 1>do you school me? Okay, So you've got survival cannibalism,

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<v Speaker 1>learned cannibalism, which is which is subdivided into endocannibalism, but

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<v Speaker 1>which is eating like members of your family or your

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<v Speaker 1>tribe or whatever, and exo cannibalism, which is the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>it's eating um, members of outside your tribe or family.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's mainly for a religious uh not necessarily. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to that in a second. Um, there's there's also

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<v Speaker 1>pathological right, and then There's another one that I find

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<v Speaker 1>arguably the most disturbing auto cannibalism. That's eating oneself. Correct, Yes, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I I didn't find any examples of some an actual

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<v Speaker 1>documented case of a person voluntarily eating themselves, aside for

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<v Speaker 1>from Jurgen Brandis, who apparently ate some of his penis

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<v Speaker 1>but didn't really like it. So usually cannibalism it's forced. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but what about like, I know, I bite my nails,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people think that that is it

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<v Speaker 1>is technically, Um, do you eat your fingernails clippings? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you just bought your nails? Because now, when I was younger, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was younger, I would swallow my fingernail clippings

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you would have like stomach problems and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>I would imagine. So so I'm not supposed to swallow. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I did those a little kid. I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that was a nervous kid. Kind of

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little more fortunate, I take it, so I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't do that anymore. I don't swallow. That's good.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you people do consider technically that biting your

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<v Speaker 1>fingernails is a form of auto cannibalism. UM. More often

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh, it's forced auto. Auto cannibalism is forced. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in like two thousand three or two thousand four, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>in in the Congo, some Congolese rebels were accused of

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<v Speaker 1>um killing pigmies and uh and forcing other pigmies or no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, forcing pigmies to eat parts of themselves before

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<v Speaker 1>killing them. And also you know, practicing cannibalism by eating

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<v Speaker 1>the pygmies themselves. Just some pretty terrible stuff going on

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<v Speaker 1>down in Congo. Yeah. And I know in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen thirties and the United States even they

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of racist fueled uh acts of auto cannibalism.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't think enough people know about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't heard about this guy until UM I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>this article. Claude Neil. Had you heard of him before?

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<v Speaker 1>And now I hadn't because you know, they don't teach

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff in historical no, and they really should, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's kind of up to us to to

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<v Speaker 1>to teach it. Right. So in in Florida, UM, about

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand white Southerners gathered and basically sacrifice this black

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Claude neil and they advertise that they advertised

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<v Speaker 1>in the paper. They sent out invitation, right, and so

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<v Speaker 1>all these people show up and it's like this um

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<v Speaker 1>uh just kind of orgiastic um sacrifice or ritual where

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<v Speaker 1>they basically, um, they tortured him. They they cut off

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<v Speaker 1>his penis and made him eat it. It was forced

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<v Speaker 1>auto came right. And one thing that didn't make in

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<v Speaker 1>the article is that they forced him to say that

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<v Speaker 1>he liked how it tasted. And then finally, after a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of hours I take it, um, they finally lynched him.

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<v Speaker 1>They killed they hung him. And the sad thing is

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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't go down as like a sacrifice or an

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<v Speaker 1>auto can ballistic. It's called the lynching, which it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lynching is bad enough, but this seems so much further

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<v Speaker 1>beyond well it is, and it's a way, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a way of even whitewashing. I mean, lynching is

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<v Speaker 1>bad enough, you're right, but when you don't hear about

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<v Speaker 1>those details, you think this guy was taking out and hung,

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<v Speaker 1>which is already horrible, but it just goes so far

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<v Speaker 1>beyond that. It's just it definitely isn't And like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't teach that in the history books, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think they should so, but um, those are the types

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<v Speaker 1>of cannibalism, right, Um, what about you knew much about

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<v Speaker 1>survival cannibalism, like Alive and all that. Yeah, Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>Donner Party was one of the earlier ones. That was

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<v Speaker 1>the group of settlers that were heading out west right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they splinter group went off in this year in

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<v Speaker 1>Nevada Mountains and kind of encountered some bad badness weather

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<v Speaker 1>and the like, and they resorted to cannibalism. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the film and book Alive about the soccer team that

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<v Speaker 1>crashed in the andies, I think, yeah, you're team yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And they ended up resorting to cannibalism from some of

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<v Speaker 1>their comrades who had who had already died. They survived

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<v Speaker 1>like seventy one days like that now, And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the more forgivable, probably the most forgivable. Definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>cannibalis definitely because it's survival. I'd say, you're you're you're surviving.

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<v Speaker 1>And then these guys wanted to do what they had

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<v Speaker 1>to do, but they you know, they needed to agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>And and this was in nineteen seventy two or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that I think, thank you. Yeah, it was the

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<v Speaker 1>early seventies. Um, so this is really really recent. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing is is this has been going, This has happened

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<v Speaker 1>many many times. The dinner party. Um, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>there was actually something in the nineteenth century called the

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<v Speaker 1>custom of the sea, right, which is where, um, you

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<v Speaker 1>know where you uh, you're not happy with your lot

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<v Speaker 1>in life. That phrase that actually comes from the customer

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<v Speaker 1>to see where you're drawing lots drawing straws. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>you you have the straws cut up two different lengths,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody draws them. And as as per the custom

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<v Speaker 1>of the sea, the person who drew the shortest straw,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is like if you were stranded, if if

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<v Speaker 1>you were shipwrecked and you were forced to resort to

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<v Speaker 1>survival cannibalism, whoever drew the shortest straw, um was that

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<v Speaker 1>person was tapped to die. And whoever drew the next

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<v Speaker 1>shortest straw was a person manity to kill them, and

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<v Speaker 1>then everybody ate the person that was killed. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like basically a codified survival canibalism because it happened. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just a fact of life when you were a sailor. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's because there were no rescuing parties or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that. I mean, like you may just if

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<v Speaker 1>you were rescued somebody stumbled upon you, you know, So

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<v Speaker 1>it did happen a lot, and like you said, it

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<v Speaker 1>is the most forgivable form, at least in the eyes

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<v Speaker 1>of Westerners. It's survival, canibell, and you did what you

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<v Speaker 1>had to do to stay a lot. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, um, it's kind of chilling in that how

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<v Speaker 1>how easy it seems like it it would be under

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<v Speaker 1>those circumstances to eat another person, you know, which kind

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<v Speaker 1>of points out that at any given point in time,

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<v Speaker 1>where like one plane crash or shipwreck away from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>eating one another. Yeah, it's it's a little kind of

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<v Speaker 1>spooky to realize, is that it's it's there. It's innate

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<v Speaker 1>in all of us, right, nobody would think that they

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<v Speaker 1>would want to do something like that. But when push

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<v Speaker 1>comes to shove and you face you're facing death, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a difference also, I mean, I guess you're a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in life that that story. You're actually killing somebody

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<v Speaker 1>to eat them. But in the case of the alive ones,

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<v Speaker 1>they they you know, they ate they ate the dead Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're falling comrades. So so that's that's a difference. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's survival cannibalism. And then you've got learned cannibalism, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the stuff that's like really heavily studied.

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<v Speaker 1>Um there's uh, basically they call it learned cannibalism or

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<v Speaker 1>customary cannibalism because it's it's a socially indoctrinated right. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>For with endo cannibalism, generally it's part of like a

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<v Speaker 1>funeral rite. The four A people in Peppua, New Guinea

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<v Speaker 1>and the Worry in the Amazon were very well studied

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<v Speaker 1>for their practices of cannibalism. Like the Worry for example,

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<v Speaker 1>what they were doing this. Uh, this anthropologist named Beth

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<v Speaker 1>Conklin found out that they were by eating there they're

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<v Speaker 1>um recently deceased, they were transforming them. The warrior were

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<v Speaker 1>really big on or are really big on changing their

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<v Speaker 1>surroundings so that they're not reminded. Now, actually it's for

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<v Speaker 1>the it's for them for the survivors. Uh. They they

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<v Speaker 1>were they're supposed to change everything that reminds them of

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<v Speaker 1>the dead person so they're not sad or depressed. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the way, their way of getting over grief and and

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<v Speaker 1>eating the dead body is um, it's a method of

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<v Speaker 1>transforming it. So that's a that's a pretty peaceful method

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<v Speaker 1>of cannibalism. That's endocannibalism, and the foray do the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing for slightly different reasons. They're actually looking to gain uh,

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<v Speaker 1>certain attributes like say wisdom or strength or that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. And it's very specific to the body part, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so like uh, and and only on certain people can

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<v Speaker 1>eat certain parts of a deceased relative. It's it's really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting how you know, over the course of centuries or millennia,

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<v Speaker 1>humans can really slap labels on all sorts of different stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, this kind of deserves to be broken

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<v Speaker 1>down because they're they're also different, you know, all the

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<v Speaker 1>different forms. So I don't think it's just willy nilly

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<v Speaker 1>the way they slap different names on the know, but

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<v Speaker 1>that raises the question why, like why why do people

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<v Speaker 1>you know, why do why do cultures around the world

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<v Speaker 1>have codified socially sanctioned UM cannibalism? And I think UM

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<v Speaker 1>really in the article I divided that between two approaches

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<v Speaker 1>and anthropology, it's materialism and idealism. Right, So material did

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<v Speaker 1>you get this far in the article? And actually I

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<v Speaker 1>fell asleep about at that point. I think I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>of our readers are or listeners are asleep as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my voice that has a very lolling uh. So basically, um,

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<v Speaker 1>the materialists say that cannibalism generated from necessity, like there's

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<v Speaker 1>a drought, that kind of thing, and um, some some

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<v Speaker 1>people who adhere to that are saying, you know, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it happens this cannibalism would would just be logical when

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you don't have a grocery store. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to tame crops and we were just hunter gatherers,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden there's a drought, so you

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<v Speaker 1>do survival cannibalism. Uh. And then the idealists say, no, no, no, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's we interpret the world through symbols and uh so

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<v Speaker 1>the human brain represents wisdom and that's and then cannibalism

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<v Speaker 1>came after we started interpreting things as symbols. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>nobody has figured out who's right. But I tend to

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<v Speaker 1>lean more towards the materialists. Yeah, I think cannibalism it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we were saying, it's it's I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>innate and all of us and when the chips are down,

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<v Speaker 1>I would eat you, you know. And his gibson already

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<v Speaker 1>told me that she would eat me. She called me meaty. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think i'd provide a hearty meal as well, you would.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think we're about on par Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, uh at the very least, arm in mipas

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<v Speaker 1>could live on us for a very long time. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hungry. I'm a little hungry too, Chuck. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to go get something to eat? That's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, nice rare burger might go with a salad.

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