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Speaker 2: Well, I do still watch the news.

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Speaker 1: Practice is over, but the writers of Patriots dot com

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Speaker 1: have you covered what did I miss yesterday? Now here

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Speaker 1: to review today's practice the writers of Patriots dot com.

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Speaker 2: We have an extra writer of Patriots dot com today,

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Speaker 2: not just Mike Dusseau and Paul Pearl, but Evan Lazarre

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Speaker 2: making his debut on the Training Campcast today on a Sunday,

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Speaker 2: A beautiful Sunday, probably our best weather day of camp

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Speaker 2: thus far. Gorgeous. I agree with you, like missus h

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Speaker 2: from heart to heart. Some some slight changes to the attendants.

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Speaker 2: A couple of guys missing today in addition to Thi Montgomery,

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Speaker 2: who's out for his second day second practice. Also didn't

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Speaker 2: see kaishon booty today, and I did not see Jake Andrews.

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Speaker 2: That's correct, Okay, so we're all in agreement on the

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Speaker 2: on the attendance, yes, but so we get the book

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Speaker 2: keeping out of the way. I thought, Dare I say,

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Speaker 2: boys that it was a little bit better today offensively? Sure? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna go I'll go I'll go with me.

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Speaker 2: It's deuced. Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think, you know, I guess we can

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Speaker 3: talk about the last period, which wasn't so great. But

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Speaker 3: I thought overall, some of the eleven on eleven stuffy.

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Speaker 3: They moved the ball a little bit, I thought, Mac

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Speaker 3: that's the most functional of the offense has looked thus far,

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Speaker 3: So you know why you're not overreacting to certain things.

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Speaker 3: I had them basically going for at the end, so

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Speaker 3: you know, some some baby steps. I thought, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a little extra pep in my step

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Speaker 4: today after practice. I don't know if it was the

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Speaker 4: weather being so great or Sunday, I don't know, but

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Speaker 4: I think what really the reason is that the offense

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Speaker 4: to see. Mac Jones talking about last week how you

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Speaker 4: training camp. You don't want it to be all one

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Speaker 4: sided in either direction. I thought today the offense punched

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Speaker 4: back a little bit for Mac. The highlight to me

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Speaker 4: you make the football IQ plays? And that we talked

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Speaker 2: No nobody uncovering down there in that last series, and

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Speaker 3: We got more reps today than the first started to

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Speaker 3: It looked like he was He hit all his field goals.

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Speaker 4: Let you I'm excited about it, but I'm trying not

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Speaker 4: And it's so Patriots to just stumble into a wide

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Speaker 2: Oh I do it happened one other time.

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Speaker 4: Once the pads come on, we can really get excited

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Speaker 4: about tomorrow Douglas. But watching him out here in these

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Speaker 4: now he's starting to catch on with some more frontline

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Speaker 2: So one last thing I will just add. Since the

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Speaker 2: the Patriots did reportedly have a meeting with Ezekiel Elliott,

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Speaker 2: so they're still in that sort of backup running back market.

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Speaker 2: No word on you know how productive that meeting was.

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Speaker 2: I know Ian Rappaport from NFL Network reported that he

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Speaker 2: eye on the backup running back market that looks like

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Speaker 2: Lennon Ford and now Zeke, so we'll see if they

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Speaker 2: go back and you get tied to Dalvin Cook. But

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Speaker 2: my guess is I think Monday, when the pads come on,

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Speaker 3: see them kind of struggle in the red zone, you know,

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Speaker 3: can can you get another big body back?

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Speaker 2: Who can?

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Speaker 3: I know he's not the receiver, maybe that he might

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Speaker 3: have been at one time, but I think just that

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Speaker 3: those are the kind of guys they need to give

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Speaker 3: him a little bit more of a presence and a

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Speaker 3: backup at least to Remandre.

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Speaker 4: It just looks like we were talking about this on

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Speaker 4: the live stream the other day. There's one point where

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Speaker 4: I looked up because Pierre Strong was working with the

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Speaker 4: special teamers and it's three guys, right, It's just Remandre,

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Speaker 4: Kevin Harris, and JJ Taylor and then obviously Pierre Strong

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Speaker 4: in there as well. But at the at the very least,

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Speaker 4: it feels like they just need another body to get

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Speaker 4: through the summer. But if it's a guy like Zeke

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Speaker 4: that maybe can contribute as the RB two or backup

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Speaker 4: top backup to Ramandre Stevenson, that's not a terrible one

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Speaker 4: two punch. And although he doesn't have the juice that

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Speaker 4: he had early on in his career. I think short yardage,

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Speaker 4: goal line, those types of situations, I think Zeke can

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Speaker 4: still be really effective. I'm not gonna expect him to

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Speaker 4: be who he was the first couple of years of

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Speaker 4: his career. I would expect him to be somebody that

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Speaker 4: can carry the ball though one hundred hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: times and maybe take some of that workload off.

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Speaker 2: All right, So we're expecting pads. You know. Bill Belichick

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Speaker 2: spoke before the practice. He was asked flat out and

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Speaker 2: he said, yeah, yeah, probably it wouldn't give you a definitive,

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Speaker 2: but I'm expecting it to be in full pads on Monday,

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Speaker 2: and we will have you a live Patriots Unfiltered will

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Speaker 2: do our fourth and final live show, so the gang

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Speaker 2: will be back together one more time. So we will

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Speaker 2: be back tomorrow in full pads, guys,