WEBVTT - The Future of Radar

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Forward Thinking. Hey, they're and welcome to Forward Thinking, the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that looks at the future and says I was

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<v Speaker 1>seriously thinking about hiding the receiver when the switch broke

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<v Speaker 1>because it's old. I'm Jonathan Strickland and I'm Joe McCormick.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we're going to be talking about radar, right

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<v Speaker 1>and uh. And and just for our fans who are

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<v Speaker 1>my age or older, we're not talking about the popular

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<v Speaker 1>character from the movie and television series Mash unfortunately not.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're talking about the actual technology radar, which is

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<v Speaker 1>nothing new. No, it's it's it's been around for quite

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<v Speaker 1>a few decades. But it's super cool. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different applications for it that are really interesting, and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently there are going to be some new applications for

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<v Speaker 1>it in the future. Yeah, and even if there is

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<v Speaker 1>a future, well, it's on my radar. Uh, it's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Might as well get it all the way early. The

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<v Speaker 1>neat thing is the way that the technology is is

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<v Speaker 1>changing over time. Like there it's being married with other technologies.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll get into that, Okay, Well, let me. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me explore the layman's view of radar. What is radar

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't know, it has something to do with

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<v Speaker 1>a circular screen that has a line that sweeps around

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<v Speaker 1>it and goes you've mistaken ever sonar? Oh no, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, hold on. It has something to do with

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<v Speaker 1>like a little antenna that spins around really fast. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's closer, and there can be around around screen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just the bloop is totally indicative of sonar ups

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to radar. You could make a radar display.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloop could incredible. Future looking is one of the easiest

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<v Speaker 1>things to program. Look, I've I've I've studied screenplays, and

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that if you make it blue, you have

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<v Speaker 1>confused your audience. So but no. The other interesting thing

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<v Speaker 1>that we want to talk about before we actually get

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<v Speaker 1>into what radar is now it works is the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that it used to be an acronym and now it's

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<v Speaker 1>not anymore. It's one of those words like laser, laser

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<v Speaker 1>was like this wasn't it? Sure was? Yeah, so it

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<v Speaker 1>used to be. It used to stand for something and

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<v Speaker 1>won't stand. You could walk into them. The President of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States could walk into our room. Radar is

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna get up right, It's just like it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a lowercase word. You don't even capitalize it. What did

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<v Speaker 1>it originally stand for? Radio detection and ranging. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Navy referred to it and the r

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<v Speaker 1>A of radio were capitalized because it wasn't in the

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<v Speaker 1>day when they would just add extra random words and there,

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't to make the really cool Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want and they didn't want to call it nar. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so so turn on the dar. Yeah that did not

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<v Speaker 1>That did not fly. So they went with radar. But

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<v Speaker 1>today it's just radar. It's just a little lowercase word

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<v Speaker 1>radar because we we say it so much, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, boy, if I had a nickel for every

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<v Speaker 1>time I talked about radar in your average week. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's explain how radar actually works. It's actually a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>simple principle. Yeah, it's actually very similar to echolocation, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's based on a very so and and in

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<v Speaker 1>fact sonar it's it's based on similar principles, except in

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<v Speaker 1>stuff of sound. We're talking about radio waves, which by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, don't work so well underwater, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>great above water. So, uh, Essentially, what you're doing is

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<v Speaker 1>you're sending out bursts of radio waves or microwaves, like

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking super short bursts, like microsecond long bursts. And

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<v Speaker 1>you do that often whatever direction you're looking at, and

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<v Speaker 1>if those waves encounter and object, some of them will

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<v Speaker 1>bounce back towards the source of the transmission. So you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to You've got transmitter and the receiver. You turn

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<v Speaker 1>on the transmitter, you send out a blast of radio waves,

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<v Speaker 1>you switch off the transmitter, you turn on the receiver,

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<v Speaker 1>and when those returning waves come back one, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that there's an object out there that the waves have encountered.

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<v Speaker 1>And too, you know how far away it is because

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<v Speaker 1>you can measure the time it took from when the

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves went out of the antenna to when the

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<v Speaker 1>echo came back in, and beyond that, you can actually

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<v Speaker 1>tell whether or not the object is moving towards you

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<v Speaker 1>or away from you using the Doppler shift, right, the

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<v Speaker 1>Doppler effect that we're all familiar with from hearing police sirens. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so when you hear a police siren approaching you, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's getting this high pitch noise. It gets higher and

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<v Speaker 1>higher and then after it passes you, you know that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly gets lower, right, And the reason it does that

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<v Speaker 1>the Doppler effect applies to all waves. It's not just

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<v Speaker 1>sound waves, it's also radio waves. And what's happening is

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<v Speaker 1>essentially those waves are being compressed ahead of the moving

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<v Speaker 1>object when it's coming towards you, so the frequen s

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<v Speaker 1>is increased. And when the frequency increases with sound, that

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<v Speaker 1>means the pitch goes up right, And when the object

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<v Speaker 1>passes by you, then the waves are being elongated. So

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<v Speaker 1>now the pitch has decreased, it's gone down. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you were standing right next to the to a stationary

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<v Speaker 1>police vehicle while it was having the siren go off,

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<v Speaker 1>it would sound in between those two well relatively speaking. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact, you can even observe this with visible light,

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<v Speaker 1>say like in astronomy, the disena moving away from us

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<v Speaker 1>faster and faster in the galaxy or in the universe

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be red shifted. Right. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>also this is really part of what sonic booms. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>why we have a sonic boom. If you're if you

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<v Speaker 1>have an object that's moving faster than the speed of

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<v Speaker 1>sound at whatever altitude you happen to be at. Because

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<v Speaker 1>sound speed depends upon the medium it's traveling through, and

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<v Speaker 1>with atmosphere, it could be affected by lots of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like humidity, the air density, the temperature, all that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. But anyway, if we're talking about something moving

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<v Speaker 1>faster than the speed of sound, all of those sound

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<v Speaker 1>waves get compressed so so flat that if you're in

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<v Speaker 1>front of that object and it's coming towards you, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to hear anything. You might, yeah, you might

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<v Speaker 1>say what's that before it gets past you, And once

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<v Speaker 1>it gets past you, then essentially all that sound is

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<v Speaker 1>unleashed and a catch us up, glorious boom of fury

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<v Speaker 1>and then and that's where the sonic boom comes in.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually the sonic boom rolls along as long as

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<v Speaker 1>the object continues to move faster than the speed of sound. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>with radio waves, we don't get the sonic boom because

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about radio frequencies, we're not talking about acoustic waves.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we can see is that if the frequency

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<v Speaker 1>of the returning echo is greater than that what we

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<v Speaker 1>than the frequency we sent out, then we know the

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<v Speaker 1>object that we're looking at is moving toward us. If

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<v Speaker 1>the frequency is less than what we sent out, we

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<v Speaker 1>know the object is moving away from us. And by

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<v Speaker 1>sending out series of these signals, we can tell in

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<v Speaker 1>what direction and at what speed the object is moving exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And because each of these verses like a microsecond in length, here,

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<v Speaker 1>you can you know, you can do this several times

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, you know, depending upon what your system is

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<v Speaker 1>looking for and uh and how you're focusing on that

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<v Speaker 1>particular section of sky. Usually yeah, and so if I

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<v Speaker 1>remember correctly, you'll probably be able to tell me mostly

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<v Speaker 1>radar is going to be operating in the microwave frequency

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<v Speaker 1>of the e M spectrum. That's that's largely what we

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<v Speaker 1>see today. A lot of radio radar works in the microwaves,

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<v Speaker 1>but it can't work in other other parts of the

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<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic spectrum. And I think originally a lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>was in radio. Yeah, right, so that would be yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you imagine the the e M spectrum, like

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the longer wavelengths than visible light or microwaves,

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<v Speaker 1>and then even longer than that or what we usually

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<v Speaker 1>call radio waves. So yeah, and and the frequency would

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<v Speaker 1>be you know, the greater the frequency, the greater the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of information we can get back, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>you want to use higher frequencies if you can. But

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get into that later, which is part of why

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<v Speaker 1>we talked so much about microwaves in another episode. We

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, if you can get more information from

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<v Speaker 1>higher frequency, why don't we just use gamma rays. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of reasons why. One is that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want a lot of incredible hulks running around. Yeah. Well, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, honestly, obviously, gamma radiation would be inably dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>even if we could generate it easily without pouring tons

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<v Speaker 1>of energy into whatever system we had created to make gama.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my guess. Is just that it's harder to

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<v Speaker 1>make and that it would also kill you. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>two combined are really good reasons why we don't go

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<v Speaker 1>into it. Okay, Well, let's look back at the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the early days of radar, the juvenilia of radar,

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<v Speaker 1>well back when radar was just a gleam in a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of engineers eyes. The you gotta look at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the twentieth century. So a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>groundwork was laid in the nineteenth century, where you had

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<v Speaker 1>people discovering and experimenting with radio waves, but it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>until the early twentieth century that we started seeing people

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<v Speaker 1>figure out, oh, we might be able to use this

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<v Speaker 1>in order to detect things. Uh. There was an engineer

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<v Speaker 1>in Christian hulls Meyer who invented a system that allowed

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<v Speaker 1>ships or trains to avoid collisions on foggy days. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The uh, the source I was reading, which was the

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<v Speaker 1>APS Physics website, referred to it as crude. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>it was not a very refined system. Sure, but but

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<v Speaker 1>you can immediately see or not see. Is the case?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the benefit that radio waves have over electromagnetic light

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<v Speaker 1>waves well sorry, visible spectrum, sure waves on a foggy day,

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<v Speaker 1>because you can't see through fog, right, Yeah, you have

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves can bounce right through if light is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be reflected off the fog bank ahead of you,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't. You can't really count on that being an

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<v Speaker 1>effective signal to any other vehicles. So yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>certainly something that was useful. The U. S. Navy had

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<v Speaker 1>begun to a experiment with radar, although it wasn't called

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<v Speaker 1>that at the time, to search for ships. But actually

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<v Speaker 1>that research was largely overlooked in the United States, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it was a group of researchers within the Navy that

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<v Speaker 1>was doing a lot of this work, but because it

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<v Speaker 1>was viewed as experimental, it wasn't thought of as particularly

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<v Speaker 1>practical at that time. So it's kind of like they

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<v Speaker 1>were left to do their own thing, and no one

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<v Speaker 1>was really thinking it would ever come to anything. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's amazing because it seems so clear to us now

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<v Speaker 1>how useful something like radar is in warfare, Like you

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<v Speaker 1>can have real time updates about the position of enemy

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles in the moment, you know, as soon as they're

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<v Speaker 1>advancing on you. You can see them in long distances well,

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<v Speaker 1>especially things like aircraft, which would be particularly useful. And

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, over in the UK research was going on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in various places, but largely we have to

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<v Speaker 1>thank Sir Robert Watson What, who was actually a descendant,

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<v Speaker 1>a relative and distant relative of of the famous what

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<v Speaker 1>What did all the steam engines at any rate? Uh So,

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<v Speaker 1>Sir Robert Watson Watt began to work with radio waves

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<v Speaker 1>um as a means of detecting aircraft, but first had

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<v Speaker 1>been working in the Meteorological Office to develop systems to

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<v Speaker 1>detect lightning strikes because lightning can give off radio waves.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, lightning strikes do give off radio waves, so

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a detector, then you can start to

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<v Speaker 1>detect thunderstorms, and that was considered to be very useful

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<v Speaker 1>the UH, the United Kingdom at the time, wasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>concerned with developing radio detection systems. But what happened was

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<v Speaker 1>there was a rumor going around that the Germans had

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<v Speaker 1>developed a death ray using radio waves, and so the

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<v Speaker 1>UK government came to Watson. Watton said, if that's a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna need one of those. Can you even make

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<v Speaker 1>one of those for us? And so he started looking

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<v Speaker 1>into it, but very quickly he said, you know, there,

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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't seem feasible at all from everything I've learned.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't make sense. However, maybe we could focus on

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<v Speaker 1>radio detection instead of radio destruction. And he really began

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<v Speaker 1>to push for this means of using radio to bounce

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<v Speaker 1>waves off of objects so that you can detect them remotely,

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<v Speaker 1>and he got some support and it was very important

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK at the time because we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>getting into World War two and the UK was heavily

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<v Speaker 1>involved and obviously the fears of Germans German aircraft coming

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<v Speaker 1>over and bombing England were warranted, so they the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to get people out of an area when they saw

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<v Speaker 1>when they saw craft coming huge absolutely necessary. Yeah. Funny

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<v Speaker 1>side note to this, This is actually sort of related

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<v Speaker 1>to the myth that carrots give you super eyesight. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you know this? I wrote a brain Stuff episode about this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fascinating little historical blip. So yeah, Apparently one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons that the British Royal Air Force was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty successful in repelling UH access air raids against the

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<v Speaker 1>British was that they had on board radar. So like

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<v Speaker 1>these these planes were equipped with you know, radar systems

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<v Speaker 1>that could tell them when enemy aircraft were approaching from

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<v Speaker 1>a very long distance. But of course they didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to let onto anything like that, so part of their

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<v Speaker 1>misinformation campaign. Yeah, well, I think that's one theory. Other

0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.559
<v Speaker 1>people have different explanations for why they said this, but

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, the British government said, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>reason our pilots can see so well is because they

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<v Speaker 1>eat lots of vegetables rich in vitamin A like carrots.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the same time, of course they were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get people to eat carrots because that was like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the you know, one of the foods, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the few foods that was plentiful in England at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, to and to grow victory gardens quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>victory gardens that in which carrots were quite easy to grow. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting, Yeah, oh well, you know, but so it

0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.360
<v Speaker 1>turns out it was a lie, you know, the pilots

0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:13.000
<v Speaker 1>suggesting that they just had super keen eye sight. At

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, vitamin A is very important for maintaining normal,

0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:21.200
<v Speaker 1>healthy eye sight. So so we eat your carrots, kid. Well. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>going back over to the United States, during the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>the Navy continued to develop radar and in fact named

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<v Speaker 1>it such, creating the first US radar and it was

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<v Speaker 1>called the x A F. It was installed on the

0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.040
<v Speaker 1>U s S New York battleship in nineteen thirty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously the earliest uses of radar were in military applications,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not a huge surprise, I mean it was

0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:47.560
<v Speaker 1>that was where it was very much useful. But shortly thereafter,

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<v Speaker 1>once the war ended, we started to see radar get

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<v Speaker 1>used in lots of different applications, including a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>commercial ones, so air traffic control aboard aircraft itself, like

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<v Speaker 1>like you were saying jokes for commercial aircraft, not just um,

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<v Speaker 1>military aircraft also uh, commercial ships, UM and other means

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<v Speaker 1>as well. And and of course going back to what

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<v Speaker 1>Watson Watt was originally studying, we began using it for

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<v Speaker 1>weather detection, yeah, and forecasting. And this is uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like Doppler radar. You hear it all the time, especially

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<v Speaker 1>here in Atlanta. Again they're so proud of their Doppler

0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.800
<v Speaker 1>radar UM, but yeah, it's Doppler radar. Is is using

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<v Speaker 1>the Doppler chef to detect moving weather patterns. And honestly,

0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:36.040
<v Speaker 1>what they're mostly looking at is precipitation. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the radar, the radio waves or microwaves will bounce back

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<v Speaker 1>from precipitation telling you, oh, well there's a front moving

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<v Speaker 1>in and we can keep track of it. We can

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<v Speaker 1>even map out the shape of it. And so when

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<v Speaker 1>you see the radar imagery that's based off the data

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<v Speaker 1>that's coming back from that, that uh the signals which

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty cool. Uh. The radar transmitters for Doppler radar

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<v Speaker 1>for weather are pretty powerful. They use food watts of

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<v Speaker 1>electricity when they're blasting out signals. I gotta be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea how much that is. A regular

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<v Speaker 1>microwave oven is one thousand watts, So multiply a regular

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<v Speaker 1>microwave oven four fifty times and you get what. But however,

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<v Speaker 1>this particular radar technology isn't used, you know, It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like they turn it on and it's blasting out radio

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<v Speaker 1>waves for like hours at a time, right right, It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's more like defrost mode on your microwave where it

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<v Speaker 1>sends out kind of little blips and and then collects them.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, It's it's to get a composite. It's spending

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<v Speaker 1>most of its time listening rather than blasting. So it'll

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<v Speaker 1>send out a blast of radio waves in a very

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<v Speaker 1>short amount of time of fraction of a second, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it listens for a good long while for the

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<v Speaker 1>echoes to come back. So we're talking about um such

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<v Speaker 1>a short amount of time that the source I've read

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<v Speaker 1>said it transmits for about seven seconds in a typical hour.

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<v Speaker 1>So it sounds like if they just leave this thing on,

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<v Speaker 1>the army could have the death ray they wanted. Well,

0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:15.960
<v Speaker 1>they could at least drain the power grid nothing else. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that it would necessarily do anything else besides, um,

0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.520
<v Speaker 1>you know it could it could probably jam communications with

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<v Speaker 1>that many radio waves going out, but that'd be about it. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we used to think about radar as this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like high tech, expensive military technology, and it

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<v Speaker 1>used to be that. Yeah, but but now you see

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<v Speaker 1>it all over the place, right Yeah. Now it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>making its way into consumer technology. So I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not going to be in your smartphone, but it

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<v Speaker 1>might be in your car yet. Yeah. So autonomous cars

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<v Speaker 1>obviously need to have a lot of of sensors, right

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<v Speaker 1>in order to to note what is in their particular

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood so that they know, you know, whether they can

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<v Speaker 1>merge over, change lanes, speed up, slow down, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, right, And you can use different kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>waves to do this. For example, one thing we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>employed a lot in autonomous cars is lidar, yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, it's laser oriented as opposed to using

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<v Speaker 1>radio frequencies. But radar is also used. Uh. There are

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<v Speaker 1>lots of different systems where radar is used to maintain

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<v Speaker 1>a safe distance between the vehicle, the vehicle itself and

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<v Speaker 1>any vehicles around it. So you know, like the rule

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<v Speaker 1>of thomb being that if you're behind a vehicle, you

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<v Speaker 1>should be able to count to three uh when it

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<v Speaker 1>passes a landmark before you pass that landmark to Well,

0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:38.960
<v Speaker 1>these kind of systems will make sure you maintain that

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<v Speaker 1>safe distance at whatever operating speed the vehicle happens to

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<v Speaker 1>be at. So yeah, and I think you you talk,

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<v Speaker 1>you go into a little bit more detail about that

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<v Speaker 1>one in the video version, yeah, our radar episode, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I specifically talk about dynamic cruise control, which is something

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of a it's like a stepping stone between

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<v Speaker 1>the cars we have now and truly autonomous cars and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of vehicles right now have dynamic cruise control UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And the basic principle is that you set the cruising

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<v Speaker 1>speed of your vehicle, but it also has this radar

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<v Speaker 1>system so it can maintain the proper distance between any

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<v Speaker 1>cars in front of it, and if it starts to

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<v Speaker 1>get past a certain threshold of safety, the system will

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<v Speaker 1>automatically apply the brakes to slow down your vehicle, but

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<v Speaker 1>you'll still be in cruise control so you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to hit Yeah, you don't have to hit a break

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<v Speaker 1>or an accelerator to turn it off. You can just

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<v Speaker 1>let it keep going. And you know, if traffic starts

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<v Speaker 1>picking up, then obviously you would take it off of

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<v Speaker 1>cruise control, but otherwise you just let it go. I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is an interesting application of radar because if

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<v Speaker 1>you look back at the history of it, what it

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<v Speaker 1>was originally great for was seeing stuff that is very

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<v Speaker 1>far away. You know, it's sort of like extending our

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<v Speaker 1>vision beyond where we could where we can naturally ever

0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.720
<v Speaker 1>hope to sense with our puny, little human senses. But

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<v Speaker 1>now it's more about having cheap, controllable, short range options.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh sure, especially in that consumer space, right Uh, seeing

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of technology mature, we we tend to see

0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.480
<v Speaker 1>this kind of approach, this kind of a pathway. You know,

0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:12.440
<v Speaker 1>some technologies probably won't ever follow that pathway, just because

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<v Speaker 1>either they'll never get inexpensive enough or there's not a

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<v Speaker 1>practical consumer application for them. But this is one case

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<v Speaker 1>where there is a practical application, So that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are other practical applications that are go a

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<v Speaker 1>little beyond being in your vehicle, yeah, less on the

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<v Speaker 1>consumer end. Other other cool stuff is happening in radar,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, radar in space. Fu um so starting background,

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<v Speaker 1>NASA in the e s A had teamed up and

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<v Speaker 1>began launching synthetic aperture radar devices into orbit. Are we

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<v Speaker 1>sure this isn't from portal? No? No, no, synthetic aperture. Yeah,

0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.840
<v Speaker 1>they're like synthetic aperture telescopes. It's a. It's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a yeah. Yeah, it's totally think it's a really cool thing. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Synthetic aperture means that the radar equipment is on a

0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:11.200
<v Speaker 1>moving vehicle, which, to simplify the science ridiculously like almost criminally,

0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.440
<v Speaker 1>means that the aperture of the antenna can be as

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<v Speaker 1>long as the vehicle's flight path. And let me let

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<v Speaker 1>me explain that a little bit, because it makes absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>no sense the way I just said it. Okay, picture

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<v Speaker 1>a dish antenna, right, It's aperture is its diameter. Okay. Uh,

0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.159
<v Speaker 1>the greater the size of the dish, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>greater the size of the aperture, the more data the

0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.840
<v Speaker 1>dish can take in. Uh, Thus the finer the resolution

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.399
<v Speaker 1>of the final image that it creates. It's similar to

0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.440
<v Speaker 1>how film cameras work. You know, like if you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a wider lens aperture, more light can come in and

0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.280
<v Speaker 1>you can take a higher resolution photograph. Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>one reason we can't say, resolve images of things that

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<v Speaker 1>are really, really really far away. We just can't build

0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:58.479
<v Speaker 1>telescopes with an aperture wide enough. Right. If you if

0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.560
<v Speaker 1>you could imagine like in you know, infinitely large aperture,

0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:06.159
<v Speaker 1>you could technically probably resolve almost anything out there. But

0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.840
<v Speaker 1>this is totally like the yes, now zoom in. No,

0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:13.040
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't always work like that. Zoom and enhanced zoom right,

0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:15.840
<v Speaker 1>zoom and enhanced. Yeah, yeah, we usually zoom in. But

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like it'd be impossible to build something that

0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:22.800
<v Speaker 1>had a physical aperture that big, right. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you put an antenna on a vehicle like an

0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:27.920
<v Speaker 1>airplane or satellite, it means that you're limiting the physical

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<v Speaker 1>size of the antenna to what that craft can carry.

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<v Speaker 1>But by putting the vehicle in motion and including a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of processing capacity, the flight of the vehicle

0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:41.800
<v Speaker 1>can act like the total aperture of the antenna. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of crazy. Yeah, So it's like a virtue

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<v Speaker 1>I got Oh now I got the virtual aperture. Okay,

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's like exactly what you called it earlier

0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:56.159
<v Speaker 1>on Synthetic said synthetic. UM and and this is really

0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 1>cool physically just in terms of the pure science of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's all so awesomely practical. For example, it's used

0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:06.840
<v Speaker 1>currently to monitor situations like where to natural environments and

0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 1>and damage done in disasters and illegal logging and stuff

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:13.119
<v Speaker 1>like that. UH and researchers are also looking at ways

0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:16.200
<v Speaker 1>to bend it to even more different kinds of work,

0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:21.160
<v Speaker 1>like like structural monitoring of infrastructure that the tech can

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:25.080
<v Speaker 1>detect movements of mere millimeters, so it can look for

0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:29.239
<v Speaker 1>problems in in places that no human person might go

0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:31.960
<v Speaker 1>out to for you know, however long it takes to

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<v Speaker 1>send someone out there. Yeah, I've actually seen this used

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.800
<v Speaker 1>in UH in mapping features as well, in order to

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<v Speaker 1>do topographical mapping that kind of thing. Uh And in fact,

0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:43.320
<v Speaker 1>the image I saw was of Florida, and it was

0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:47.919
<v Speaker 1>amazing the amount of resolution there. UM Another really cool

0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:50.640
<v Speaker 1>thing that we're seeing, and it involves a space agency,

0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:54.439
<v Speaker 1>but not a space application. NASA and the Department of

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<v Speaker 1>Homeland Security partnered in an initiative called Finding Individuals for

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<v Speaker 1>Disaster and I'm urgency Response or Finder, and it's a

0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:07.800
<v Speaker 1>low powered microwave radar that looks it's it's used by

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:10.480
<v Speaker 1>rescue workers who are looking for survivors in the wake

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:14.119
<v Speaker 1>of a disaster, and recently it was used in the

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:18.520
<v Speaker 1>wake of the massive earthquake in Nepal. So obviously there

0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:21.560
<v Speaker 1>was a huge tragedy and a lot of people went

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<v Speaker 1>to try and help and one of the groups had

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<v Speaker 1>this this low power microwave radar, and it can actually

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<v Speaker 1>detect survivors by detecting their heartbeats. They're using radar to

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<v Speaker 1>detect heartbeats through rubble, like up to thirty ft of

0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:41.280
<v Speaker 1>rubble or twenty feet of concrete or a hundred feet

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:45.159
<v Speaker 1>of open space, and the fluctuations of the heartbeat or

0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:49.080
<v Speaker 1>the fluctuations of your chest just from breathing are enough

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:52.119
<v Speaker 1>for the radar to pick up the difference, the differences

0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:56.080
<v Speaker 1>in that Doppler shift and tell the rescuers there's somebody

0:24:56.160 --> 0:25:00.919
<v Speaker 1>down there, which is pretty phenomenal. So you know, we've

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 1>covered radar looking at whether we looked at radar looking

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:08.600
<v Speaker 1>at massive areas of the Earth and also just radar

0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:13.400
<v Speaker 1>looking for a single person in rubble, which is pretty

0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:17.800
<v Speaker 1>amazing to me. But so uh, these are all current

0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:21.639
<v Speaker 1>applications of radar. What about the future? Oh, I got it,

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:27.359
<v Speaker 1>I got it, radar, home cooking appliances like a radar

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Panini press radar. No, okay, never mind, Lauren, what's the

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 1>future of radar? Well, Joe, Uh, sorry, sorry to tell you,

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:38.919
<v Speaker 1>there are no Panini presses that I'm personally aware of

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 1>in the works using radar. But uh, Modular radar is

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:47.239
<v Speaker 1>a thing that of few research and development firms are

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 1>working on. See right now. Radar systems mostly have to

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 1>be custom designed for any given application. Um Now, I

0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>will say a key feature of modern military radar at

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 1>any rate is the use of a ray of transmitters,

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 1>which allow the capacity to broadcast multiple beams that work

0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 1>in tandem to cover a greater range um and also

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:12.240
<v Speaker 1>help escape signal detection by other parties, which is pretty cool. So, so,

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:16.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're talking about extra bits that you

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 1>add to radar, you could say that an array is

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 1>sort of modular in a way, but that's not what

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about. So you mean just modular by like

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 1>adding parts like lots of little little bits that you

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:32.280
<v Speaker 1>add together. Well see there. There are also definitely systems

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:36.639
<v Speaker 1>for building your own um necessary power and type of

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:40.199
<v Speaker 1>radar using interchangeable parts on a on a on a

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 1>base kind of unit um but as far as I

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:46.920
<v Speaker 1>can tell, it wasn't until the two thousands that patents

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:51.359
<v Speaker 1>began appearing for something closer to to like plug and

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 1>play modular radar, wherein each unit is the same and

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 1>can can interact with other units to adapt to particular

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 1>tax asks. So instead of having to commission a a new,

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:11.119
<v Speaker 1>uh customized radar system for whatever application you have in mind,

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:15.959
<v Speaker 1>you could go back to this basic modular approach and

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:19.400
<v Speaker 1>build it from that, which I would imagine dramatically decreases

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 1>the cost. Yeah. Yeah, you can just order rather than

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.640
<v Speaker 1>having to order an entire system, or even an entire

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:28.119
<v Speaker 1>system that you can kind of customize, you can just

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 1>order a certain number of these units and they'll wind

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:36.120
<v Speaker 1>up working together. That the Navy, via contract with Raytheon,

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 1>has been developing the scalable radar system that The building

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 1>blocks of these systems are called radar modular assemblies, and

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 1>each unit is a two foot square block that contains

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 1>everything it needs to function alone, but when grouped together

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:55.879
<v Speaker 1>their power is multiplicative, which is so cool. Uh. This

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 1>is meant to replace the Spy one radar, which is

0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:02.360
<v Speaker 1>currently in use on naval ships UM, which supports air

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 1>defense and weather data collection and ballistic missile defense and

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 1>can help counter other forces search and track capacity. So

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 1>good stuff all, um, But nine of these modular suckers

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 1>could replace the Spy one, which is about twice as

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>large as as this array of modular things would be

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 1>being a twelve ft octagon. Just by one is a

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 1>twelve ft octagon? Is it is an octagon? Yes, because

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:34.159
<v Speaker 1>apparently we are living in Battlestar Galactica, either that or

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 1>the UFC. You know, ray Theon really sounds like it

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 1>should be the name of a house and Game of

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Thrones totally trying to figure out how to do that joke,

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>thank you, but I can't argue with that. But so,

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:51.239
<v Speaker 1>so that's so that's nine of these modular units. If

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 1>you go up to thirty seven units, Raytheon says that

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 1>you can find a target half the size at twice

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>the range of a Spy one. And if you've got

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 1>sixty nine of the units, you could find a target

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>half the size at nearly four times the range um

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 1>or you know, if you wanted to, you could just

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>stick a single unit on a smaller vehicle. Uh. The

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 1>system is set for release in two sixteen, and as

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>of like today, which is May. Uh. Raython says that

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>the system has passed an internal and naval critical design review,

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>So it's moving forward, y'all. Radar is coming. I want

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 1>to hum so badly right now, tell us more, Laura,

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I shall, I shall. Northrop Gremman, who was also in

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>competition for the Navy's contract on these modular units, seems

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:47.400
<v Speaker 1>to be working on a vaguely similar system for the

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Air Force UM and hey, you know, this sort of

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 1>thing would be also great for smaller, perhaps commercial applications

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 1>like running security on campuses and on streets and in shipyards,

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 1>a special using frequencies that can penetrate precipitation and stuff

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 1>like that. So all of this is thanks you know,

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 1>to technological advances in in both receiver and transmitter technology,

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 1>but also to lots of other tech that we've talked

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 1>about on the show before, like like modular robotic research

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and semiconductor research and software and algorithmic improvements. So it's

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>how it's it's it's fascinating seeing all of these industries

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 1>coming together to create these relatively easy to use products

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>that can be used in so many ways. Yeah, I

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>think that's uh I I had no idea about this,

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>and this is interesting. That's another application of the sort

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 1>of like modular principle like we talked about in the

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Modular Robotics episode. I like this idea of lots of

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 1>little minions that come together to become something greater. Okay, well,

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, and some of the other stuff that we

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 1>need to talk about are some of the challenges that

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 1>come along with radar. And one of the big ones

0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>is that you know, you've got a transmitter and risk

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>either your receiver is essentially a giant antenna that's trying

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 1>to pick up very faint signals. Sure, but the more

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 1>sensitive your receiver is, obviously the more junk it's gonna

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 1>pick up. That's that's a real issue, right, how do

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>you tell the stuff you want from all the junk

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>that you're getting as well? So in other words, like

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to find out whether or not you know,

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>a stealth vehicle is flying overhead, but all you're picking

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 1>up is the Zoo Cruise radio show. Uh, you know

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>that's that's three miles down the road. Uh. That's obviously

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 1>for for the sake of levity, but really, I mean

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 1>there is this problem of how do you separate the

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 1>signal from the noise? And you know, depending upon the

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 1>application you're using, it may not be that big of

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 1>a deal. It may be pretty simple. But the more

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 1>refined you get, the more difficult it becomes to make

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>this separation. So let's say that you're using a microwave

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 1>UH radar system and you want to have a very

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 1>high resolution of the data that you're getting back. That's

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 1>actually pretty challenging. Uh. And there is a team of

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>researchers in Italy who have been trying to make it

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 1>easier using a photonics system. Now, photonics, if if you

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>break down the word, you you know that obviously it

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 1>has to do with light. It's some sort of optical system.

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 1>They're actually using lasers and photonic diodes in order to

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>generate radio frequencies. And the reason they're doing it is

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 1>because if you're using a like traditional radar system, you

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>typically begin with an analog signal. Then you have to

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>convert that analog signal into a digital signal, So use

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>a converter to convert it to digital, and then you

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>want to blast that out as your as your means

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:46.480
<v Speaker 1>of trying to detect stuff. But you also want to

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 1>use a very high frequency if you can, because that's

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>where you're going to get the higher resolution data back.

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 1>But this approach is usually limited too, limited to around

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>two giga hurts and frequency. If you want to go

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>beyond that, you have to put that signal through what's

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 1>called an up converter. It's essentially boosting the signal. Yeah,

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>we can do that, and you can boost the signal

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and send it out and when it comes back, now

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 1>you've got to read it, and you can't read it

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's in that up converted format. You actually have

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>to run it through down conversion so that you can

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:20.280
<v Speaker 1>read this signal. And the problem is every single step

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>in that process, from changing the analog to digital to

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>up conversion to down conversion can introduce more noise, meaning

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 1>that whatever you're getting back is getting harder and harder

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 1>to actually analyze. So the photonic system gets around that

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>by using this uh this optics system to generate those

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 1>radio frequencies, and the researchers say they can do a

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 1>much broader range of frequencies, including much higher frequencies than

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 1>any other system can make at the moment, and do

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 1>it in a much more stable way that they don't.

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 1>It's not got. It doesn't have this problem of introducing noise,

0:33:56.600 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>and they don't have to down convert the returning echoing

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.480
<v Speaker 1>signal in order to analyze it because they're using the

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 1>same system to generate and receive the messages. They've even

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:11.760
<v Speaker 1>said that you could switch this to a communications system

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 1>if you needed to, So not only would it become

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>a transmitter and receiver for radar, but it could become

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 1>a communications device where you could communicate with other stations. Um,

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 1>so pretty cool. They call it POE dear p h

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>O d I R and uh. They build a prototype

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:34.240
<v Speaker 1>device and it worked, so they're now working on turning

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 1>it into more of a practical tool, because there's a

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.440
<v Speaker 1>big difference between a prototype and something that would actually

0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 1>work for anybody, of course, of course, yeah, but pretty yeah,

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.280
<v Speaker 1>just everything today sounds like a Game of Thrones character

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>right that. Yeah, okay, so so what are some other

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 1>problems that we need to solve in in radar technology. Well,

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>a similar one to what we just mentioned is that

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the returning echoes can be very, very faint, particularly if

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.240
<v Speaker 1>we're looking at something that does not want to be found,

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 1>like a stealth plane. So you know stealth planes. The

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 1>reason why their stealth is not it's not that they're

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 1>hard to see. They're usually pretty easy to see when

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:14.240
<v Speaker 1>they're on the ground. It's that they're hard to detect. Right.

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Their surfaces are designed so that they disperse incoming radio

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>waves so that they don't reflect back to the the

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:23.840
<v Speaker 1>point of origin. So it makes it much harder to

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:28.080
<v Speaker 1>detect with a radar station. So now people are saying, well,

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:29.880
<v Speaker 1>how can we detect it? You know, some of the

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 1>radio waves do get reflected back, but they're usually so faint.

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 1>There's so few of them that it is hard to

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 1>to say that's an actual hit versus a false positive

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>or noise random noise. So some researchers at the University

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:50.359
<v Speaker 1>of York came up with a clever way of improving

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:55.800
<v Speaker 1>the sensitivity of radar receivers using our old buddy quantum physics.

0:35:55.800 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh Joe, I, since you have some uncertain to you

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 1>about physics. Okay, that was your third pun for the episode.

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 1>It was also the second time i've I've referred to

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 1>that joke, because I did that in the video episode two.

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, although I don't know if they may have

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 1>cut that, the video episode hasn't got live yet, so

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>um at any rate. So the way that they're using

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:21.439
<v Speaker 1>quantum physics is through entanglement, quantum entanglement, and we've talked

0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:26.319
<v Speaker 1>about that on this show before, but generally speaking, uh,

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 1>this gets this gets pretty complicated. We're gonna use the

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:33.720
<v Speaker 1>super simplified way of saying it. Quantum entangled entanglement involves

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 1>coupling two particles or waves in such a way that

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 1>their states complement each other. So if we think of

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 1>it in photons, we usually talk about or or electrons.

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about electrons, you know, usually talk about electron spin.

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 1>So if one electron is spinning up, the other electron

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 1>is spinning down, and they are coupled this way, no

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 1>matter how far apart, you may move the two particles,

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 1>as long as you don't make the system collapse on itself,

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>in which case the the tanglement ends and they no

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 1>longer ares Yeah, they have nothing to do with each other.

0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 1>So another way of putting it is that if you

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 1>know something about one of these particles, you know something

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 1>about the other one right at that moment in any rate. Yes,

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:17.880
<v Speaker 1>So in this case they are coupling a microwave beam

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>with an optical beam. And the way this works is

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 1>the optical beam is more or less contained within the

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 1>radar system itself. There is some detection that goes with that,

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.240
<v Speaker 1>but it gets way too complicated for me to understand,

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>let alone describe. So to simplify it, the optical beam

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 1>is contained within the system. The microwave beam is used

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 1>to beam out at wherever direction you're looking at. When

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:44.400
<v Speaker 1>returning microwaves come back in, you can compare those echoes

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>against the optical beams. The optical beam acts like a reference,

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and because the two were entangled, there's going to be

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 1>certain points where they correlate. If in fact, that is

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:58.280
<v Speaker 1>the same microwave beam you beamed out in the first place,

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.240
<v Speaker 1>and that would tell you, yes, there is in fact

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 1>something there, because these are the same beams you sent

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>out in the first place. And you could be sure

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 1>of that because the odds of these two different beams

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 1>matching up randomly are so astronomical as to be unthinkable.

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:17.960
<v Speaker 1>So in other words, if you send it out and

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:21.400
<v Speaker 1>you get a very faint reading, you might say, ah,

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a stealth vehicle flying toward us based

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 1>upon this reading. And the only reason we can be

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 1>sure is because it the the qualities of this microwave

0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:34.319
<v Speaker 1>beam reflect the qualities of the optical beam that are

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 1>already in the system because they were a coupled together earlier,

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:41.319
<v Speaker 1>which is pretty amazing stuff. It blew my mind when

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<v Speaker 1>I read into it, because, uh, you know, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even think about the possibility of entangling two very different things,

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<v Speaker 1>an optical beam and well, I mean, obviously they're both

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<v Speaker 1>electro magnetic radiation, but you don't really associate them together, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the only time I associate microwaves in light

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<v Speaker 1>or when I opened up the microwave door in the

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<v Speaker 1>little comes on. Otherwise it doesn't happen. It's a different

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<v Speaker 1>kind of entangled. Yes, as I have often been entangled

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<v Speaker 1>with microwaves, but that's more of a core issue. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>At any rate, I thought it was really cool to

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<v Speaker 1>see kind of this emerging technological development, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even this this system of radar, which you wouldn't really

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily think has evolved that much since it was first

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, designed and engineered. You would figure, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a very basic principle. I don't. I could see

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<v Speaker 1>where we could get better and better at detecting it,

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<v Speaker 1>but how do we go beyond that? It's pretty amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and when you get whenever you get to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where you're incorporating quantum mechanics, and it really

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<v Speaker 1>gets pretty uh heavy in my book. So at any rate,

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<v Speaker 1>this was really fun to talk about. It was an

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