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Speaker 1: I also think she was afraid. Crystal Lee, a longtime

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Speaker 1: But could they have thwarted a murder? Joining me Karen Smith,

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Speaker 1: the case, Dave Matt, what more can you tell me

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Speaker 1: Mommy's remains are. Here's the big drama. Can the killer fiance,

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Speaker 1: What does it take to terminate parental rights? Right now?

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Speaker 1: all their heads. Jerky says the video is proof Parker

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Speaker 1: is innocent. However, in another twist, Parker has a husband intigue.

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Speaker 1: According to documents, mister Parker says a year ago his

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Speaker 1: wife told him she was going to become a member

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Speaker 1: of a cult called Wicca. He says she created a

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Speaker 1: fake Facebook page to secretly communicate with strange men associated

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Speaker 1: with the organization. We found the profile where Parker disguises

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Speaker 1: herself as Zoe Singer. One photo posted says don't try

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Speaker 1: to figure me out. I'm a special kind of twisted,

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Speaker 1: and another as a witch. I have three sides, the

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Speaker 1: quiet and sweet side, the fun and crazy side, and

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Speaker 1: the side you never want to see. Yeah, I wish

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Speaker 1: I had never seen it, but sadly we are joining

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Speaker 1: me Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned LA side analyst, Karen Smith,

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Speaker 1: forensics expert, joining us out of the Florida jurisdiction. Atlanta

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Speaker 1: felony Prosecutor Kenya Johnson, of course, Alan Duke joining me

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Speaker 1: from LA in the studio and here in our studio,

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Speaker 1: Jackie Howard, I want to go to doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: you know, like Alan. I'm looking at her pictures right

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Speaker 1: now and she looks like, you know, some wholesome mom

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00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: that just pulled a dozen chocolate chip cookies out of

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Speaker 1: the oven wrong. According to the sheriff there, Freestone County

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Jay Shipley, he says quote she was online talking

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Speaker 1: to multiple guys in Morocco trying to get it set

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Speaker 1: up for she could take her little girl over there

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Speaker 1: with her to them wisely, detectives obtained a search warrant

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Speaker 1: for all of Ambramshell Parker's electronic devices. But let me

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Speaker 1: get to the forensics in just a moment, and then

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Speaker 1: I'll follow up with the legal angle with Kenya Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, this is an eight great reading teacher.

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Speaker 1: What in the h a double L is going on

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Speaker 1: in her head? Okay? So an aspect of sex trafficking

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Speaker 1: that I think is little known, and we see this

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Speaker 1: unfolding in abusive households across the nation is women who

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Speaker 1: give up their own children or younger female relatives to men,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily for money, but because they're using the children

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Speaker 1: as bait to get the affection of the man. So

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Speaker 1: we think of sex trafficking as motivated by money, but

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's motivated by a narcissistic need for attention or

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Speaker 1: to exploit the child to get access to other men.

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Speaker 1: And one when I've read this story, I was wondering

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Speaker 1: if this woman is one of these attention hungry, personality

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Speaker 1: disordered women who will do anything to get the attention

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Speaker 1: of men. She goes to another country, almost like a

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Speaker 1: sex tourist. We see men do this often go to

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Speaker 1: third world country so they can have access to people

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Speaker 1: who are in more vulnerable positions. She goes there and

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Speaker 1: she offers up her own niece in order to get

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Speaker 1: access to these men. Now, the side benefit is she's

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Speaker 1: going to get paid, right, she gets all these new relationships.

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Speaker 1: She feels like important in that society. But it's at

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Speaker 1: the cost of her own child. But don't think that

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Speaker 1: this just happens in sex trafficking cases. This happens on

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Speaker 1: a more mundane level in many households. You see sometimes

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Speaker 1: mothers who will maybe date or marry a pedophile or

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Speaker 1: somebody who has a lured interest in their own child

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Speaker 1: because they think that the child will be like the

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Speaker 1: bait for the man. And that's just what That's an

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Speaker 1: aspect of this story. I keep wondering about an eighth

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Speaker 1: grade reading teacher thirty seven years old is now a

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Speaker 1: suspect trying to sell her underage relative into sex slavery

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Speaker 1: in Morocco, posting lurid photos of the little girl online

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Speaker 1: dressed in lingerie with her chest exposed. If you have

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Speaker 1: children listening right now, please send them out of the room.

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you a ten count warning, Okay, because I'm

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Speaker 1: about to read what we have obtained in the sheriff's warrant. Again,

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Speaker 1: if you have a child around you right now, please

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Speaker 1: send them out of the room. The sheriff's warrant that

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Speaker 1: we have obtained states that Amber Michelle Parker this has

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Speaker 1: found pursue it to search warrant on her electronic devices.

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Speaker 1: Quote talking about the little girl, she the little girl

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Speaker 1: wants to peel your uniform off of you, cuffew and

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Speaker 1: lick your abs. Okay. Then she goes on to discuss

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Speaker 1: with the two men there in Morocco about flying to

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Speaker 1: the US to have relations with both her and the

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Speaker 1: minor girl. This eighth grade reading teacher goes on to

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Speaker 1: tell the men online how well the little girl is

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Speaker 1: and that she is a virgin. Soon after, the men

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Speaker 1: began trying to have Parker and the minor girl travel

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Speaker 1: to Casablanca, Morocco. This is according to the warrant and

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Speaker 1: they're reading it straight off everything Amber Michelle Parker was typing.

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Speaker 1: They say that while monitoring the conversations, more photos were

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Speaker 1: sent to the men. All of this is being orchestrated

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Speaker 1: by this teacher that Parker had coached the little girl

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Speaker 1: to take these photos, telling her what positions to be in,

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Speaker 1: what parts of her body to expose. It goes on

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Speaker 1: and on and on, and this is all obtained through

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Speaker 1: search warrants for electronic devices. Now that McLennan County Sheriff

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Speaker 1: Parnell McNamara says, they have been watching Parker for some

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Speaker 1: time before they obtained all this information. You know, I

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Speaker 1: want to go to Karen Smith, ensis expert. What do

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Speaker 1: you have to do in order to dig up all

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Speaker 1: of this electronic information? It's like leaving a path a

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Speaker 1: mile wide for the police. It sure is. And you know,

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Speaker 1: family members were the people who tipped off the police

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Speaker 1: that something was amiss. So once they had that information

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Speaker 1: and they found this secret Facebook page that Parker had created,

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Speaker 1: that started the ball rolling. Once they started finding all

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Speaker 1: of that public information, they could get the search warrant

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Speaker 1: and then do that deep dive into her data. See

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Speaker 1: that big footprint she was leaving. Find out all of

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Speaker 1: the information on likely her cell phones. We listen, we

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Speaker 1: live and die with our electronic devices. I don't go

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Speaker 1: anywhere without my cell phone and likely she didn't either.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just her laptop or home computer she was

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Speaker 1: doing this stuff remotely. She was doing it on her

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Speaker 1: cell phone, So all of that information is coming into

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Speaker 1: play and they're going to bring it all into court

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Speaker 1: and it's going to tell the entire disgusting, despicable story.

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Speaker 1: According to warrants we have obtained from police, Mahia teacher

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Speaker 1: teaching eighth grade reading tells trafficking victim how she should

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Speaker 1: pose for men on line. I mean, doctor Bethany, let

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Speaker 1: me come back to you on how that's going to

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Speaker 1: affect this little girl the rest of her life. But

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Speaker 1: to Kenya Johnson more urgently, Felony prosecutor in the Atlanta jurisdiction,

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Speaker 1: what charges can be leveled against this reading teacher Ambra

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Speaker 1: Michelle Parker, You know it's gonna there's so many unanswered

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Speaker 1: questions to decide all the charges. But right now we're

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Speaker 1: looking at a sexual exploitation. We're looking at a sexual battery,

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Speaker 1: depending upon how the young lady was positioned for the pictures.

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Speaker 1: I've persecuted child molestation cases before, and I've seen pictures

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Speaker 1: of child pornography and the looks, the hollow looks in

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Speaker 1: the little girl's faces as they're eight and nine and

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00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: made to look sexy and suggestive poses. It's just haunting

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Speaker 1: and I'll never forget what those look like. And I

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Speaker 1: can only imagine what those young ladies feel like having

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Speaker 1: to pose and such such suggestive poses. And so a

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00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: lots more questions to be asked for right now, we're

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00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: already looking and law enforcements should be looking at what's

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Speaker 1: going on with the young ladies life right now? Is

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00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: she already being abused? This may only be the tip

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Speaker 1: of the iceberg. Has she already encountered sexual exploitation? And

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Speaker 1: so those are some of the questions that we'd be

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Speaker 1: asking to formulate all the charges to charge. To doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, I remember the first time. I well, I

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Speaker 1: prosecuted so many child molestation cases, but I remember some

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Speaker 1: of my first ones. White hold On. I remember my

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Speaker 1: first one that I took to trial, and it was

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Speaker 1: the father that molesting the little girl. And this hollow

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Speaker 1: look in the eyes of the little victims. I saw

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Speaker 1: it then, but just as a trial lawyer, I saw it.

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Speaker 1: I noticed it, but I didn't know what it meant,

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Speaker 1: that hollow look that Kenya Johnson's describing. What is that, Well,

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Speaker 1: the hollow look is that they're very dissociated or disconnected

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Speaker 1: from themselves that they can't even bear to be in

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Speaker 1: their own bodies. And we know that sexual child sexual

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Speaker 1: abuse is the one type of trauma that, even when

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Speaker 1: it's only perpetrated once against a child, scars the child

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Speaker 1: for the rest of their life. A child can be beaten,

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Speaker 1: a child can be starved, left on the school steps

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Speaker 1: not picked up. All kinds of other trauma usually takes

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Speaker 1: multiple incidents to affect a child, but child sexual abuse,

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Speaker 1: one incident changes the psychology, the physiology, the psycho You

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Speaker 1: have a child permanently, even resilient children. So that hollow look,

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Speaker 1: I think it's shock. And i'd a layer to this

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Speaker 1: that wasn't this teacher of female relatives. So this is

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Speaker 1: somebody with whom she had a trusted relationship who was

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Speaker 1: exploiting her. That's a whole other layer of trauma right there,

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Speaker 1: and it's something that goes with you for the rest

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Speaker 1: of your life. And as jarry and upsetting as this is,

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Speaker 1: the little girl was saved by the local sheriffs. She

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Speaker 1: was taken away before she got sent to Morocco to

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Speaker 1: be with all of these men that the school teacher

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Speaker 1: was setting up to Alan Duke joining me from La Alan.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing about trafficking. We always think of it,

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Speaker 1: you know, as some guys from some other country kidnapping

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Speaker 1: people taking them away. It's not like that. It's happening

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Speaker 1: right under our noses. Yes, I know, we've done these shows,

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Speaker 1: we've done these interviews, but we've also seen it up close,

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Speaker 1: because it's in every small town you're reporting, my reporting.

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Speaker 1: We've seen the tragic situations to where the shops in

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Speaker 1: town are being staffed by people who are not there

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Speaker 1: under their own will. It's not just sex trafficking, it's

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Speaker 1: people being forced into labor, passport's taken, smuggled into the country.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge problem. Here in Los Angeles where I

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Speaker 1: am right now, there are thousands of people who are

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Speaker 1: considered to be slaves. And you know what, not just

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Speaker 1: La but all over the US it's happening in this time.

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Speaker 1: It was an eighth grade reading teacher. Listen to our

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Speaker 1: friend at kWt XTV. This is Russa's foursomes, provocative photo exchanges, witchcraft,

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Speaker 1: Strange details of a Freestone County human trafficking case are revealed.

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Speaker 1: Thirty seven year old Amber Parker, an eighth grade reading

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Speaker 1: teacher at Mahead resigned Thursday and connect with an alleged

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Speaker 1: incident back in November involving her underage female relative. According

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Speaker 1: to the affidavit obtained by KBUTX, Parker was sending sexual

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Speaker 1: three way messages to two Moroccan men on behalf of

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Speaker 1: the victim. Police say Parker talks about the men flying

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Speaker 1: to the US to have sex with both her and

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Speaker 1: the victim. While the men suggests the females come to Casablanca.

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Speaker 1: Parker provides the victim's age, marketing her as a virgin,

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Speaker 1: according to the affidavit. Then Parker takes and sends semi

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Speaker 1: nude photos of the victim, even directing her on poses

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Speaker 1: to quote keep the male interested in her, Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend,