1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, A production of I Heart Radio, 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Well Together Everything. So don't don't geez, Cody, I don't know. 3 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: I I disagree. I mean I don't. I don't think 4 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: our listeners are are foolish dukes. Um, that's that's really 5 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: that's really harsh. Well, I mean, I can't believe that 6 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: came out of your mouth. The marketplace of ideas and 7 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 1: I'm just like giving you know, options for the market, right. 8 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: I think maybe they maybe they are, maybe they're not, 9 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: but I think it's worthy worthy of debate. Well, this 10 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: is really going to hurt our chances to go public, 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: which we were planning to be the first podcast to 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: be publicly traded. Thanks Cody, we still can we don't. 13 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: Just don't have to air this part. Well, that would 14 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: have to start the whole show over again. Hey, speaking 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: of dishonest, you know who's not the most honest man 16 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: who has ever existed? It has been Shapiro. Do you 17 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: have anything vaguely related to Ben Shapiro to share with 18 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: us today? My? Oh, let me check, let me check 19 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: my my websites. Oh oh wow, here's oh wow. Here 20 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: is Ben Shapiro's first published book, A book of short stories. 21 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: Now I cannot believe you did this instance. But do 22 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: you mean to tell us all that Ben Shapiro, the 23 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: author of True Allegiance, Yeah, has a previous fiction publication. 24 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: Oh his premier before you, the incredible H much loud, foundational. 25 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: Let's yeah, Jackson, and give some context because this is 26 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: a different show. UM, and I think there's probably are 27 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: some of some of our listeners perhaps don't know what 28 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about. We did a different show for a 29 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: year straight on a different on We for a year 30 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: straight on Robert's other show, Behind the Bastards. Uh. Cody 31 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: and I would intermittently come on and he would just 32 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: read aloud to us sections of Ben Shapiro's awful novel. UM. 33 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: I don't think we need to debate that. UM. I 34 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: think that people can go back and peruse that library 35 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: if they want to catch up over the fun holidays. 36 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: But for now, what we are going to be presenting 37 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: to you over a number of episodes are Ben Shapiro's 38 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: short stories. Uh. This is uh, this I believe was 39 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: self published. Baby use an e book. I self published 40 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: a book to you know? I no, no, no, nothing 41 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: that Um it is no longer available. Uh, where e 42 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: books are available. I believe that virus. I started looking 43 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: just like seeing and I there were all these links. 44 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: I was like, not clicking that, not clicking that. Hour 45 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: later Cody is like, oh my god, I caught it. 46 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: There are Yeah, there are many many bad links out there, 47 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: ones like a Google doc that you can go to 48 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: like somebody. Yeah, um but I found that's extremely funny. 49 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: Safely it is virus free and um so you think 50 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: until you start reading still you crack that motherfucker open, 51 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: and that's when the virus part of virus. Yeah, there's 52 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: there's already some guy in Macedonia like going over cody 53 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: social Security number, transferring cash out of his bank accounts. 54 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: It will be worth it. Um. Yeah, so it's here. Uh, 55 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: we're very happy he clearly, I think just because it's 56 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: self published. I don't think there's an editor. I think 57 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: he just didn't want people to read it. Is there 58 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: like a description of any sort of the book that 59 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: it doesn't have that on the version I have, But 60 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: that's extra writing. You're not gonna give that up for free. 61 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: But I think there is a yeah here, I'm gonna 62 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: go to good Reads, where again it is not available. 63 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: But because this is hard to find. Yeah. Um, But 64 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: in What's Benja Pier releases his first book of short stories, 65 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: Explanation Point and What's Fair. An incredible invention leads to 66 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: bloody brutality when an unsatisfied brother to size he hasn't 67 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: received what he is owed. Wow, really wearing your beliefs 68 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: on your sleeve there, ben And from the pit an 69 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: adventure shrinks to microscopic size to clean up the environment. 70 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: But this is going to go himself targeted for murder 71 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: when he accidentally ingested the body of a mysterious employer. 72 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: Sorry Katie Wood. So like a HONEYI shrunk that kids 73 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: kind of vibe, but like kind of mixed with that 74 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: what's the what's the movie where they go inside the 75 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: fantastic voyage or something. It's like that mixed with that, 76 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: mixed with like environmentalism. And I'm going to guess for 77 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: all of these here's my my prediction. Weird and not 78 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: at all relevant Biblical like like bizarre and uncomfortable biblical 79 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: comparisons like I'm gonna guest have to be like really yeah, 80 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 1: really allegories like oh, I see what you're trying to say, 81 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: because you're telling me, um yeah, really like on the 82 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: nose surface level allegories. For example, in Utopia, a man 83 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: of Bandon's paradise when he realizes that periods up to 84 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: be is it utopia or like utopia? It's just utopia utopia? 85 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: But is this the threat to that paradise? Oh my gosh, 86 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: I bet, I bet the Utopia is like lefty but 87 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: not secretly it's yeah, it's not going to be so 88 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: nice and that lefty heaven. From science fiction to parable, 89 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: from love to violence, Shapira's exciting stories capture the imagination. 90 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: I bet, thank you. And then there's a list of 91 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, his other books um uh, and you know 92 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: labeled brilliant by Russia, Limbaugh, a Warrior by Globeck, and 93 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: a foe of extraordinary polemic agility by the Washington past God, 94 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: the Washington Who at the Washington Who Cody? Whom the post? 95 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: What is that quote? I'm looking that up right now. 96 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: Who writes the good Reads page? What is the A 97 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: foe of extraordinary polemic agility? A foe of extraordinary polemic agility? 98 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: As when you just do a search for that, all 99 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: of them are the book What's fair? See here's the 100 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: thing and I here's what I think somebody here because 101 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: and I believe true allegiance. Yes. Uh, the one of 102 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: the blurbs says, meet our new Iron Rand, and that's 103 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: the quote that is used in the book. But if 104 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: you google that you find that it's part of a headline, 105 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: and the full headline is meet our New Iron Rand, 106 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro's ham fisted propacanda fiction. Even worn it's so funny, 107 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: cod it's so funny and it's it's look, I would 108 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: not be surprised if it was like the actual quote 109 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: was like Ben Shapiro likes to see himself as exactly 110 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: because I I have just gone through within a like 111 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: the different permutations, just basically doing different like quote searches 112 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: for for that phrase and adding Ben Shapiro the post 113 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: You think, just words from that phrase, nothing comes up 114 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: at all. But but like really sketchy book links about 115 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: the book, What's fair, no Washington Post Water. I have 116 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: no idea who who said this about him or if 117 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: he said it over at dinner once. Yeah, but I 118 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: need to back up because the way read it over 119 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: time a foe of agility and so like it's written 120 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: like enemy of that or is it a bad guy 121 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: that has all of that, you know what I mean, Like, 122 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: either way, what is that doing on your book? But 123 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: it no, it frames him like he is the enemy 124 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: of extraordinary And this is this is why Ben Shapiro 125 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: is such a consistent, beautiful thing for us to cover, 126 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: because we haven't even gotten into the book and we 127 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: are we already have so much to discuss, to discuss 128 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: please continue. So is that and then you know whatch 129 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: appears widely considered one of the most prominent young conservatives America. 130 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: Can't argue with that. Uh, this volume contains his first 131 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: foray into the fiction world and not his last. I 132 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: had that last little bit. No, they didn't know at 133 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: the time. They didn't know what he didn't know at 134 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: the time. He definitely wrote himself. Well yeah, yeah, I 135 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: actually I think one thing we can say about Ben 136 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: Shapiro is it is unlikely that he plagiarized anyone else's writing. Yeah, 137 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: I think I think that's very obvious by reading the sentences. Um, 138 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,359 Speaker 1: author of six non fiction books, including New York Time, Pestler, Bullies, 139 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: Editor of Daily Wire, Editor at large a Breitbart News 140 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: that's no longer true. Uh uh, probably not. You could 141 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: have an entire show that is just reading. I feel 142 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: like his nonfiction is going to be like way harder 143 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: and more frustrating. Yeah, it's like his opinions, but like 144 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: him just saying them as opposed to like him trying 145 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: to like be a little little clever writer. Guy Um. 146 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I I will say, because we here at 147 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: uh behind the Bastards, Sophia and I are going over 148 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: his book that he wrote about sex um and it 149 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: is a porn book. It's the porn Generation, the book 150 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: in which he cites as an example of how teenagers 151 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: are acting in two thousand four, a book by Norman 152 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: Mailier about a fictional uh electric electric cool Tom wolf 153 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: a book by Tom Wolfe about a fictional college student 154 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: as evidence of like how actual college students behave because 155 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: if anyone in two thousand four understood millennials, it was 156 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: Tom wolf like a work of anyway. So that's the 157 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: description of the book. The actual book itself is called 158 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: What's Fair Colon and Other short Stories. I will say 159 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: that there are only three short stories, and they're each 160 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: about twenty pages, and each page is kind of like 161 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: that goose Bumps font you know, where it's like you 162 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: fit like two and a half paragraphs on a page. Um, 163 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: so you know that's fine. The short stories, it's fine. Um, 164 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: no judgment there. Um. I will uh challenge everybody as 165 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: we go to a quick ad break and come back 166 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: to read the first short story called What's Fair? Uh 167 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: guess the first sentence of a short story by Ben 168 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: Shapiro called What's Fair in a collection called What's Fair 169 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: and Other Short Stories. Oh boy, I bet it's gonna 170 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: be happy. Families are all alike. Oh, I bet it's 171 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: what's fair? Question Mark, you're Katie's closer in the right direction. 172 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back to find out the answer together. 173 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: Everything break today. Alright, Cody, we're finally doing it. We're 174 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: gonna cut that album. I think I think that's the sign. Robert, 175 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: Robert and Cody sing a totally while looking at their 176 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: laptops during a zoom call the album mumble lyrics to 177 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: a song that doesn't exist, but that doesn't exist. Keep 178 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: it all in, We're back. Snack from space. Hey, everybody, 179 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: welcome back. Wow. Narrative polemics of Ben Shapiro. Yeah, and 180 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: I before we get into his book, I do think 181 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: it's worth acknowledging the courage of releasing your first ever 182 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: fictional debut and choosing three short stories to be the 183 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: whole thing. Yeah, He's like, yeah, I think that's it. 184 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: Most people. Look, I've written some fiction, and there's a 185 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: lot of fiction that I wrote and nobody ever saw 186 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: that came out that I put together before the first 187 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: thing that I published. And I'll just say I respect 188 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: the hutzpah. Ben Shapiro shows by never once doubting that 189 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: these three short stories zero needed to be published, utter 190 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: confidence in himself that I don't need to work on this. 191 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: That's the thing about his his book, like every page 192 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: seems like nobody edited it, like it was a first 193 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: draft that he said, good, it's done. Because I feel 194 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: like with True Allegiance, uh it does read like it 195 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: wasn't edited, but I think it was, and I'm pretty 196 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: sure this absolutely was not. Uh So, I'm curious the 197 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: divide there. I'm curious what that first line is. Well, 198 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: do you have any other guesses you want to shout 199 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: in your phone? Uh So the first sentence, So, what's fair? 200 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: I've always thought of myself as a fair man, and 201 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: I just think that's so fucking funny, you're just saying 202 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: it's all laid out. Um, no no time to no wavering. 203 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: All right. So I've always thought of myself as a 204 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: fair man. That's all I ever wanted. What was fair 205 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: when the plow was done and when it was time 206 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: for supper. All I wanted was the same as what 207 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: everybody else got. God, the same as okay, fair, I 208 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: always say, God, damn you okay. As what everybody else 209 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: got was that it was a couple of sentences. It 210 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: was a couple he's got. He's got some periods in here. 211 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: He uses words the way drunk people use cars, and 212 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: it's just very sad to see words going through. Wait 213 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: till you here the next sentence. Oh, good, new paragraph. 214 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: I remember a time when I was a kid that 215 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: Dad gave me and Jim Christmas presents. What I remember 216 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: a time when I was a kid that Dad gave 217 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: me and Jim Christmas presents. So no one edited this. 218 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: You're right. He gave Jim a risk watch and he 219 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: gave me a hunting knife. Uh, we'll find out, I hope. 220 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: Why don't you introduce your relationship with this guy to start? No, 221 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: Ben understands that the key to good fiction is keeping mystery. 222 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: You want to keep the audience guessing who is this 223 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: person they're getting Christmas? This is? This is uh, you know, 224 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to come to Ben's defense here in this 225 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: marketplace terrible ideas, because uh, I feel like in true allegiance, 226 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: it would be like I remember a time when I 227 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: was a kid that dad gave me and Jim my 228 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: brother Christmas presents. Whereas yea christ presents, I assume it's 229 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: his brother, because who else his dad given Christmas presents to? Um? 230 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: He actually assume it's Jim Jones. It's very well fingers 231 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: trust we'll see, it's not very long. How do we know? 232 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: All right? But he did give jimmy griss watch, and 233 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: he gave me a hunting knife. Boy, it was Jim 234 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: taken with that wristwatch. He'd wear it around every day, 235 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: rain or shine, always careful to keep it clean, to 236 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: keep it sound. If he scuffed it up, he'd buff 237 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: that scuff right out. Incredibly engaging writing bit. He'd spent 238 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: hours with a handkerchief, spitting on it and rubbing it, 239 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: spitting on it and wiping it until spitting on it. 240 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: Because audio we've been sharing spitting on it, And that's 241 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: what your brother was doing, wiping it sting. I didn't 242 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: really like my hunting knife. I wasn't big like Jim. 243 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: Then it wasn't very context very people's sizes, and here 244 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: always has to be pretty big. Well, here comes the moment. Yeah, 245 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: I I just love We've we've found the origin of 246 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: beIN Shapiro writing in a in a very sad way 247 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: about someone brother. Does he have one? I don't Jim? 248 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: Does he have a Does he jerk off his watch 249 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: all the time? His middle name is Aaron. Now he's 250 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: a sister Apple Gail. Maybe um, maybe he's Jim. And 251 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: this story anyway continue. Well, he wasn't big like I 252 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: wasn't big like Jim. Then it wasn't until later that 253 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: I hit my growth spurt. Every they always he can't 254 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: even he was praying for that growth spurt. Great, his 255 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: prayers were not answered. But you know, that's very funny. 256 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: That's that's incredibly funny. Okay, it's right there. But Dad 257 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: kept after me to try it out, and I wanted 258 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: so bad to please him, so I headed out to 259 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: the woods to see if I could catch something. Sure enough, 260 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: I found me a rabbit. When I pounced for him, 261 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: though he was faster than I was. Yeah, he's a rabbit, 262 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: and he skittered away like his tail was on fire. Okay, 263 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: really good rust stuff. But I wanted to show Dad 264 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: that I knew what to do with a knife, so 265 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: I chased him and chased him. He chased your dad, Yeah, 266 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: this is this is where they're like the poor. Like 267 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: an editor would help. Yeah, yeah, said, it's a new paragraph. 268 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: We haven't mentioned the rabbit in this paragraph. I wanted 269 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: to show Dad chase him and chase him. This isn't 270 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: the only spot. This isn't where it starts. I couldn't. 271 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: I would have used an editor from word one. I 272 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: remember a time when I was a kid that Dad 273 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: gave me and Jim Christmas presence. Kind of an awkward phrasing, 274 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: um right off the bat, But I chased him, chased him, 275 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: and I finally cornered that old rabbit in a rocky 276 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: little dead end. He'd moved to his left, and I'd 277 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: moved to my right to cut him off. He'd moved 278 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: to his right, and I jump with him, but he 279 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: was too smart for me. He charged straight at me, 280 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: and before I knew it, he'd gone right between my legs, 281 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: like that ball Buckner missed in the series. I love 282 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: because he's very clearly trying to be like folksy and 283 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: like found me around classical, grew up in the country. 284 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: Number one, he doesn't get the way people talk right 285 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: at all. But number two, Uh, it's very clear that 286 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: all of his knowledge about how to like chase and 287 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: hunt down a rabbit comes from Looney Tunes cartoons. It's 288 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: literally like a Looney Tunes he's describing there, or like 289 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: playing basketball. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it doesn't bear. Also, 290 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: it would be not like rabbits are very easy to skin. 291 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: That's one of the nice things about rabbits. A gigantic 292 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: hunting knife would be like a weird tool in any 293 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: instance to use on a rabbit. But okay, whatever, its 294 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: good to have around at random, I mean all times, 295 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: but random times you just have specific wealth of knowledge. 296 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: You mean this short story like, well, do you like 297 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: you would never use that tool? Yeah, I mean like 298 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: when even like butchering like a sheep or something, you're 299 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: not using like a giant hunting knife like he's describing, 300 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: like there's like specialized like you could but like smaller anyway, whatever, 301 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: you want to impress his dad, you know, yea psychopathic maybe, yeah, 302 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: I mean if you If I was going to make 303 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: it more realistic, I would have like, you know, him 304 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: going out hunting with his dad, and his dad's you know, 305 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: given him a hunting knife or bought him a twenty 306 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: two or like something that actually makes a little bit 307 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: more sense than him just like wandering out alone with 308 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: a knife to like, yeah, catches catch the rab the rabbit, 309 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: and then his dad's like skin the rabbit and he's 310 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: like too squeamish to do it, or yeah, sure, yeah 311 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: like it. I like, okay, my my my ex wife's 312 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: little brother grew up in the middle of nowhere, Texas 313 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: and would hunt rabbits and stuff. But it was always 314 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: like trapping them because like tex just better. And so 315 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: maybe he like traps a rabbit, but he's too squeamish 316 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: to actually like kill it or knife. There's a number 317 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: of ways that that a writer this work, right. The 318 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: the issue he's running into now is like a the 319 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: rabbit like ran through my legs, Like you didn't get 320 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: a chance to use the n nonsense. Yeah, okay, please continue, Cody, 321 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: this is very full. I turned around and there was 322 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: that rabbit sitting there staring at me like he was laughing. 323 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: And I got so mad that I took that hunting 324 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: knife and I threw it at him like James Coburn 325 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: in The Magnificent Seven, just about took his head off. 326 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: But that rabbit moved like lightning. He was gone, and 327 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: I heard him. That's not just about taking its head off, right, 328 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: It got away, didn't just about to take his head. 329 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: I just got to point that out. Yeah, if it 330 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: touched the rabbit, maybe maybe I feel like, you know, 331 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: nicked him a little bit. I didn't, but he didn't 332 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: that he was gone. And I heard a plunk from 333 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: a creek that ran through the woods. Wait, okay, I 334 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: heard of plunk from a creek that ran through the woods. 335 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: The knife was gone, too, Well, you could find a knife, um, 336 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: like you threw the knife, you know, all right? Whatever. 337 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: When I got for the knife, yeah, the rabbit didn't 338 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: didn't like scarpor off again, continuing to sound like Looney Tunes. 339 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: When I got back home that night, I was too 340 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: embarrassed to tell Dad what happened to that knife. But 341 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: the next morning, when Jim got up, he found that 342 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: his watch was dented. He couldn't buff that out? All right, okay, 343 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: great new section of the book skips a line. This 344 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: is so bad. Wait a minute, just that thing like, 345 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: but when I woke up, Jim's watch was dented. Couldn't 346 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: buff that out? What? Yeah, that's not okay, that's certain 347 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: that happened alight, I'm not to know what happens next. Well, 348 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: what happened next is I met em Dash, Emily, that 349 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: is Dash. When I was a senior in high school. 350 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: She was about the cutest thing you've ever seen, No, 351 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: strawberry blonde with a knockout body and a button nose, 352 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: blue eyes too, like a miniature of Britney Spears on 353 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: the team. Okay, back up, she smiled at me breastily. 354 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute. I 355 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: made that lineup. I made that up. That's not like you. 356 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: You might not have is the thing? Um that's intentionally 357 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: in there? Sure? But then so after he meets this 358 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: cutest thing you've ever seen, strawberry blonde hair with a 359 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: knockout body and a button nose, blue eyes too, like, 360 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: manage your Britney Spears. She was on the cheerleading team. 361 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: By then, I'd hit that growth spurt I mentioned, and 362 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: I was a big burly kid the full back onto 363 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: he actually say that growth spurt, he did say, And 364 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: by that I had hit that growth spurt I mentioned 365 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: where I had edited, I would say, hey, Ben, there's 366 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: no reason to mention in the growth spurt earlier. Just 367 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: say then I hit a growth spurt, and save yourself 368 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: some words, and don't introduce a fact until it's actually meaningful. Yeah, 369 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: that's a good note. If anything, don't say that you 370 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: mentioned it, because we know it was two paragraphs that 371 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: she's mentioned two times. Here's what I'm going to say 372 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: is it's been mentioned two times in this very short 373 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: story already because that's so important to him. It's so 374 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: important to him, and it's the thing he never got. Yeah, 375 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: and like absolutely no shade at people at any heights. 376 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: We love you. It's him because he's so preoccupied with 377 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: people's heights. And you know what I mean. Anyway, If 378 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: you don't know what I mean, go back and listen 379 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: to all of us talking about single chapter. Every time 380 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: we've ever talked about the really short terrorists and they 381 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: really tall. Everybody else, Ah, the bad Guy's classic. That's 382 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: big burly kid fullback on the team. I was barreling 383 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: kids over, I mean steamrolling them, and coach said I 384 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: was a sure thing for All State. The minute I 385 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: laid eyes on M, I knew she was the girl 386 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: for me. I knew she liked me too. You see, 387 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: she wasn't. It's so awkward. Sorry, she wasn't the first 388 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: girl I'd ever gone out with. When you're the star 389 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: fullback on your high school football team in a small 390 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: town like Jefferson, there are plenty of girls after you, 391 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: Comma looking for something to tell their daughters about twenty 392 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: years from now. Yeah, but M with something special. When 393 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: I was on the field, she'd cheer and she'd look 394 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: at me, and I felt like I was playing just 395 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: for her. That's nice. One night after the game, ME 396 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: and M got to talking. Don't ask me what we 397 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: talked about. I wouldn't know. Probably a game, or her 398 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: classes or something else. Love story for the ages, said, 399 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. By the time we looked around, 400 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: the sun had gone down. It was late. She looked 401 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: up at me with those big eyes through her eyelashes. 402 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: Good god, Good god, Ben, have you ever cared about 403 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: a person? Honestly, I could see, she'd combed them special 404 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: for me. Yeah that's what you noticed. Yeah, I noticed 405 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: that she did her She's looking through them with her 406 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: big eyes, her big blue eyes, thankfully, and she asked 407 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: me to walk her home. Of course, being no fool, 408 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: I said sure. She lived in a nice area of 409 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: town and I lived near the fields, so we had 410 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: to walk past my house to get to hers. As 411 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: we walked by, I pointed at our house. We have 412 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: to admit I had some guilty thoughts about m and 413 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: I knew that Dad and Mom weren't home. My guess 414 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: was right, Oh, this is weird. There's like a double 415 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: indentation for this paragraph. Yeah, because he again he's never 416 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: read anything that he's written. Yeah, this is this that 417 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: this is a really new paragraph. It's like he hit 418 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: tab like three times one paragraph. All right, my guess 419 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: was right. She wasn't shy either. She batted those eyelashes 420 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: and told me she'd love to see the house. Could 421 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: I show her around? She didn't have to ask me twice. 422 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: That's a new paragraph. And then here's another new paragraph. 423 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: We walked up to the door and I took her 424 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: in my arms, and that's when Jim opened to the door. 425 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: He was back from State where he was studying agricultural engineering, 426 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: and he looked at me, laughing with his eyes and said, hey, brother, 427 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm home. When I finally we confirmation Jim's brother. When 428 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: I turned back to introduce M, she was looking at him. 429 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: They were married six months later. This is so bad. 430 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: It's bad news for this guy talking right. Oh you 431 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: mean the writing also? Yes, yeah, the writing is quite bad. 432 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: He spends so much time on dumb details and zero 433 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: time on where the story is. Like it understands that 434 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: the least important thing about the story is that there's 435 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: a story. Right. Yeah, well I think he's gonna You know, 436 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: Jim just gets everything he wants right. And it's not fair. 437 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: I've read the first sentence of this U this short story. 438 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: All is fairer to be close enough. I always thought 439 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: of myself as a fair man. But a new section. 440 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: We've the passage of time. Uh. This is after they've 441 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: been married six months later. Uh. The next summer, Dad 442 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: died in an accident. Mom was walking around like a ghost, 443 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: and the farm was going to ruin. Jim and M, 444 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: who were off living near state, came home to help 445 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: take care of Mom and the farm. Dad had left 446 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: him in charge since he was the first born. Jim 447 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: and M moved into the house with us. The farm 448 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: was still workable well, Jim was m moved into the 449 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: house with you. Jim lived there. I think, I mean, hey, brother, 450 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm home moments doesn't know whatever. Jim and Man moved 451 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: in the house with us. The farm was still workable, 452 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: and Jim figured that he could save up enough money 453 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: to buy some machinery. Jim took over the master bedroom 454 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: with M and Mom moved into Jim's old room. I 455 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: stayed where I had always been. It was pretty terrible 456 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: to be around the house, what with mom haunting is so? 457 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: Oh say it differently, man, So I spent most haunting 458 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: it like that bit like haunting them for stupid dead 459 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: Uh So. I spent most of my extra time in 460 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: the weight room at school, classic bulking up for next year. 461 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: I didn't like to be near Mom. It made me 462 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: feel depressed inside. I was a high school graduate and 463 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: I was getting invited to all the best parties. Anyway, 464 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: One night, Jim and M asked if I could take 465 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: care of Mom for a while so they could go 466 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: out and grab dinner. I said sure, I was downstairs 467 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 1: watching TV when I saw the water dripping through the ceiling. 468 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: It turns out the mom was in the bathtub, her 469 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: head under the water, not breathing. I had learned some 470 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: basic mouth to mouth and I was able to get 471 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: her breathing again. But she was never the same after that. Now, 472 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: Jim and m and I had to help her get 473 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: to the bathroom, shower herself, feed herself. What the fuck? 474 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Wait a minute. He is just going through 475 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: so much. It's a lot going on. Yeah, this is 476 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: a I mean, it's actually Ben's pitching his full length 477 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: family drama. It's actually just like the treatment for it. 478 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: He's doing this thing that like upper like money, having 479 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: a coastal elite, Conservatives do to pretend that they're not 480 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: coastal elites because Ben is, as far as I know, 481 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: a California boy. Um, and it's they're doing this thing 482 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: where they imagine and I don't think Ben has ever 483 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: spent a particular amount of time near working class or 484 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: even poor. He grew up in Burbank. Yeah, he grew 485 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: up in Burbank. And he's doing this thing that conservatives 486 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: in his position do, where in order to try to 487 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: separate themselves from the liberal coastal elites that they demonize. 488 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: They imagine, they imagine they actually know anything about what 489 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: rural life is like. And in Ben's case, he's imagining 490 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: this like constant train of horrific disasters and tragedies and 491 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: folksy nonsense, and it's it's just like, yeah, because you 492 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: don't know, you don't actually know what the actual like 493 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: struggles in in rural America are. Like if you did, 494 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: I think he would be spending less time on trying 495 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: to take Karama and more time talking about like like 496 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: even if you're going to focus on like your mom's 497 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: health issues, the lack of like actual medical care of 498 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: hospitals and whatnot in rural areas, the difficulty in actually 499 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: like getting someone to treatment when you're out in the sticks, 500 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: um how to like like it kind of glosses over, 501 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: like how they actually got her treatment. Okay, Like you 502 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: pull her out of the bathtub, Now where do you 503 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: take her? You're an hour and a half away from 504 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: the hospital, Like do you have gas? Do you maybe 505 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: only have one car and your brothers away in the car, 506 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: and so you can't do anything for a while, Like 507 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: every year, if he knew anything about what it was 508 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: actually like dealing with problems for people. But he's imagining, Yeah, 509 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: now suddenly, okay, we've taken care of Ma, and yeah 510 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: that's the thing. Um, it's not good. It's it's like 511 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: Jade Vance, right, yeah, it's that stuff. It's like, oh yeah, look, 512 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: I can imagine the hardships. Um, but now they have 513 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: to they know, now they have to, you know, get 514 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: into the bathroom, shower herself, help, help help, he feed yourself. 515 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: I imagine something. I imagine it's time for an act 516 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: for a time for a nat break. Oh well, we'll 517 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: find out soon. What happens at State State is always 518 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,479 Speaker 1: capitalized and it's unclear where. Um it's like the state college. Right. 519 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: It's like it's like he's trying to keep it as 520 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: vegue as possible, because like Lincoln, Americana Midwest. Yeah yeah, 521 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: but you know, we'll be right back. We will together everything, 522 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: so don't don't. And then we came back, and it 523 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: was this moment back we did. We didn't come back. 524 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: We we buffed our watch, we shined it, we like 525 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: rubbed it more, we spat on what I did little more, 526 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: and then we came back. I walked on out to 527 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: that forest, and I easily found the knife I chucked. 528 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: Just took a minute of me like you just left 529 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: it there? Because yeah, like I remembered that I threw 530 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: it and it didn't hit the rabbit, but like the 531 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: general area where I threw it, and I was able 532 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: to find it and come home with it, and now 533 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: I still have it. Oh good good? After that sounds easy? Uh, 534 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: Like you would only need like a short ad bricks 535 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: worth of time to go find that knife that you threw. Honestly, 536 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: any who uh that fall starting for State? I blew 537 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: out my knee there with the scholarship offer to State? 538 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: How did you out your knee? Say? Yeah, how did 539 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: you like? What was the move? You know? Haven't again? 540 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: A thing a writer would do is describe, you know, 541 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: the excitement of this big game, how much it meant 542 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: to you. You've got like this girl who's like super 543 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: into you, and they're about to be you know, your 544 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: whole future is writing on this pivotal moment, and then 545 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: you describe the actual scene. You know, you're running the 546 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: ball sailing overhead, and as you leap up to catch it, 547 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: somebody like comes in and tackles you and get you 548 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: like right in the side, and you land as he 549 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: pulls you down. You land on your right leg and 550 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: it fucking pops your knee out and it tears, and 551 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: you you know, and the story you cry in the 552 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: game and point out it's not because it hurt. It's 553 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: because I knew that I wouldn't be able to play anymore, 554 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: Whereas the way this is written, it's like, yeah, and 555 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: then I blew up my knee and then the scholarship 556 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: was gone, and I balled like a baby. But like, 557 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: it's not connected to the game or the event. It's 558 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: connected to like losing the scholarship, but that he wouldn't 559 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: be able to use a font that's true. This is 560 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: you are correct. This big, this incredibly important event in 561 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: this person's life is two sentences long. You are here. 562 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: Here's the central issue that Ben keeps having. He is 563 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: he thinks that he is making an emotionally affecting story 564 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: by having sad and difficult things happen to a family 565 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: of characters. But all he is doing is listing sad things, 566 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: rather than making us inhabit a moment in which something 567 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: difficult and sad happens. And it's because he understands the 568 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: broad strokes, Oh, yeah, your mom can get sick and 569 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: you don't have much money. You could you can hurt 570 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,919 Speaker 1: yourself while playing in a game and not be able 571 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: to to go pro. But he doesn't understand enough about 572 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: what it actually means to be poor with a suffering, 573 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: sick family rout in the middle of nowhere, or what 574 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: what sports are to write scenes in which things happens 575 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 1: happen emotional. This is the epitome of facts don't care 576 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: about your feelings. Feelings, and this happened, this happened, and 577 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: like there's no attempt at like an empathetic approach to 578 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: it to like you're saying, like, yeah, get into this story, 579 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,959 Speaker 1: get into the characters and like live these moments. Yeah, 580 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,479 Speaker 1: well then this happened, and that's what that's that's bad. 581 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: So when facts don't care about your feelings, you're it's 582 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: you can't like, it's not human, it's not Yeah, like 583 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: maybe maybe have this guy going through the ship with 584 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: his mom and like like set up how difficult his 585 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: life is as he's you know, seventeen eighteen about to 586 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 1: go into college and then like his coach sees him 587 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: stressed out and he's like, hey, man, don't worry like 588 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: their scouts out there, You're so good. This is gonna 589 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: set you up for life, like you're you're you know, 590 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: you're going to move through this. All your hard work 591 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: is going to pay off. And then we have the 592 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: scene where he actually injures himself, and then maybe there's 593 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 1: like at least some kind of emotional connection. Maybe maybe 594 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: maybe you established the suffering and make him hope for 595 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: this moment before it falls apart, right, and like even 596 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: like describe like him playing football when he's not big 597 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: and burly and like he just really wants to, like 598 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: he loves he loves the game, you know, and then 599 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: it finally gets to play it and describe that feeling. 600 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: The title of this series should be editing Ben Shapiro's 601 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: book for him. Oh my god, it's a task, but 602 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: somebody needed to do it. Also, actually, now that I 603 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: look at it, the very first paragraph is also intended weird. Yeah, 604 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: and the second one. I just mean, you guys are 605 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: pitching great notes, great feedback. It's just like you might 606 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: make this a story. Feedback to Ben would be write 607 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: a story. Yeah, Like if you're like, if you want 608 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: to write a short story. I would recommend that you 609 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: write a short story, um as a list of sad 610 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,399 Speaker 1: things that has a list of sad things with a 611 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: lesson that he wants people to gain from. I'm sure 612 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 1: we're building to it. We're getting there. I mean, I know, 613 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: I know from the title in the first fair Yeah, 614 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: fairness is bad. What I get it? Sucking Ben, But 615 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: like it's it's written like a parable. It would be 616 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: something where he has to take something for himself because 617 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: he stopped being fair. He's been fair as a life 618 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: or some ship. Let's get yeah, like, yeah, we're gonna 619 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: learn that fairness. I'm excited to get their cody. But 620 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: the important thing is I came home Comma quit state period. 621 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: I was there for football anyway, not for my studies. 622 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: When the football went, so did my shot at the 623 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: big time? Well yeah, the big time was the football? 624 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: Like what sorry, yeah, okay, fine, bad sentence. We're moving on. 625 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 1: And was like a saint. She took care of mom 626 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: and me and she made sure we got what we needed. 627 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: Jim would farm and he'd got right and he'd come 628 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: back at night. No, I don't even mean it like that, 629 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: Just like anyway, go ahead, the caretaker. Yeah she was. 630 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,439 Speaker 1: She filled her role katie you see. Um, and he'd 631 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,879 Speaker 1: come back at night and would have dinner already for him. 632 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: There we go exactly. Uh. Pretty soon I was able 633 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: to get around on my own. I'd never be able 634 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: to run fast again, but I could at least help out. 635 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 1: Jim used me mostly for field work, and he handled 636 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,399 Speaker 1: the sales and the accounting and the marketing or whatever 637 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: the hell else need to be handled. Wait, that's weird. 638 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't Jim do that because you're injured? Whatever. I 639 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,479 Speaker 1: thought it was pretty cush of him to sit there. Okay, 640 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: here we go. I probably I thought it was pretty 641 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: cush of him to sit there in the air conditioned 642 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:27,280 Speaker 1: office and make the decisions while I sweated. Mm hmmm yeah, yeah, 643 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 1: yeah again. Another piece of advice would be learned how 644 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,720 Speaker 1: to use the words that just like the words also 645 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: like it's it's one of those things where like you know, 646 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 1: if you like uh center, like if you align the 647 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: text so it's like lined up on the left and 648 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: the right and it sort of spreads out the words. 649 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes it'll it'll split words and have a dash by 650 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: the line, so like this is sweat dash new line ed, 651 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: which is like, it's like really highlighting that it's the 652 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: wrong word anyway, uh, and make the decisions while I sweat. 653 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: But there wasn't much I could do to complain. He'd 654 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: been to college, he knew his stuff. We got along 655 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: like that for a few years. Things hummed along, or 656 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: I guess mosy along is more like it. Same thing. 657 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,959 Speaker 1: There is the thing that he does that he doesn't 658 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: seem to care about, and I try to remind I 659 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: give people a pass if it happened sometimes, but he 660 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: doesn't all the time. Writer right every so often in 661 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 1: a book that's beautifully written, it's unavoidable. And you see 662 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: a word twice really nearby. These important absolutely so important 663 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,879 Speaker 1: to me. When I write a couple of sentences, like, 664 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: I do a pass specifically to make sure there's no repetition. 665 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed for him that it's like, yeah, it's the same. 666 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: It's reading somebody's rough draft, but it's reading a ninth No. 667 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: When I was a ninth grader, I wrote better fiction 668 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: than this. It wasn't good, but it was better than this. Sure, 669 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: but like an average ninth grader maybe no, you're right, 670 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: I think an average ninth grader. I remember like the 671 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: cartoons and ship my friends would draw, and they all 672 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: had better grip of story structure than this. No, this 673 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: is like sixth grade, fifth grade ship. Yeah, things hummed along, 674 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: mosey along, it's more like it. Because those different those 675 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: those different folksier Cody Mosey is what rural that much folong? No, no, no, 676 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: But I also hate the conceit of um the same thing, 677 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: like in a tweet or anything when someone goes like 678 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: corrects themselves and then keeps it. Do you know what 679 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: I mean? That concept that structure of like things hummed along? Well, 680 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: I guess mosey along is more like it. Edit it. 681 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: It makes mosy to long? Do you know what I mean? 682 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: That's like again trying to be cute. See, it's a 683 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: tactic that I'm always like out of here with that. 684 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: If you're trying to make it feel like authentically you know, 685 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 1: rule and down home. UM don't have the character self 686 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: editing his own thoughts to make himself. We're hearing your 687 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: thought process been as a man whose only time outdoors 688 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: has been that one time you couldn't get to a 689 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: rest stop driving off the five and you had to 690 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 1: pee by the side of the road and you got 691 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 1: scared because of the wind, like bad. Come on. I 692 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: I used to write these like, uh, spooky short stories. Uh. 693 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: They were like half like there was like gross and 694 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: silly and like kind of terrible on purpose, and the 695 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,919 Speaker 1: narrator was like bad and I would do like comed 696 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 1: along or I and more like like I guess I 697 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 1: don't know the word for it actually anyway, and like 698 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,439 Speaker 1: I would do because you're making fun of that. Yeah, 699 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: and mosy is the kind of word today you would 700 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: more often here from like I don't know, somebody who 701 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,439 Speaker 1: got rich in the Bay Area and decided to move 702 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: to a town outside of Reading in the middle of 703 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 1: nowhere in order to feel more authentic cowboy where torn 704 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: good will fucking car hearts but whatever mailed that Robert, 705 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:27,840 Speaker 1: I'm delighted by this episode so far. Yes, m hm anyway, 706 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: continuing to repeat this again, we got along like that 707 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,919 Speaker 1: for a few years things hummed along or I guess 708 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,760 Speaker 1: mosey along. It is more like it period until Jim 709 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: had his idea period and then we skip a couple 710 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 1: of lines. It's a new section of time. It struck 711 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 1: him one day while he was taking don't. You don't 712 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: need to skip this, you can just like it's to 713 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: compete a new paragraph. This is weird, all right. It 714 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: struck him one day while he was taking a look 715 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: at the wheat the wheat crop. That night at dinner, 716 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:07,359 Speaker 1: we couldn't stop him from running on at the mouth. Okay, okay, 717 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: that's all right. I'm gonna oh, finally a conversation M. 718 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: Like I've been waiting, like showing interaction with between these people, 719 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: like what would what would one person say to the 720 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: other in a room together? We haven't any dialogue, But 721 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: finally some dialogue. M. Tommy, you won't believe this, he said. 722 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: Hold on, Jamie said, M. Mom's drooling. She wiped it 723 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: Mom's mouth while Jim babbled onto her. He never was 724 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: good at listening. The plow is just not aerating the ground, baby. Okay, 725 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: Well now he's sounding like the guy from Chrue Allegiance. Yeah, yeah, 726 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: that's how. Okay, good Good can take a bullet for you, 727 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: fucking baby, get run over by a tractor for you, baby. 728 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,320 Speaker 1: He whipped out a piece of odd from his pocket. Jimmy, 729 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: take that dirt away from the table, said in his pocket. 730 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,879 Speaker 1: In his pocket okay, because he's so goddamn folksy, he's 731 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: so down home fucking country boy that he keep his 732 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,839 Speaker 1: motherfucking here. Look at how dance it is. Look how 733 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: there isn't any oxygen getting in there. What if there 734 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,720 Speaker 1: was a plow that was even finer about aerating the ground. 735 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 1: My god, we could feed the entire world with machinery 736 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: like this makes rain cheapest dirt. He's the Tony Stark 737 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: of farms. Yeah. The only issue with everywhere not being 738 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: able to grow all the grain they want is the 739 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: soil is to dents d you gotta make it. Yeah, okay, 740 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: then the farm nowhere, Ben Shapiro, just like you didn't 741 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: have to do this, man, you could have whatever. I mean, 742 00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are yes. Soil is a makes the 743 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: only i mean, the only specific of farm life that 744 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 1: we're getting is this conversation about soil aeration. That's obviously bullshit. 745 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: You know, Like, but he started diagramming charts at the table. 746 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: My head was spinning, and I wasn't paying attention, So 747 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 1: why was your head spinning? Like what? Sorry? If you're 748 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: like it's like you're like, if you're not paying attention, 749 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 1: then it's not like, oh, my head is spinning, like 750 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: so many things, like no, you're not paying attention, You're 751 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 1: like blanked out, like whatever, It's fine, Who cares. My 752 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: head was spinning and I wasn't paying attention. I don't 753 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: think m was either. She was wiping it Mom's mouth, 754 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: and I have to admit I couldn't take my eyes 755 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,319 Speaker 1: off of herky. I've never seen Jim so excited. He 756 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:50,280 Speaker 1: wasn't the excitable type. Different word, man, use a different word. Uh, 757 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: he wasn't the excitable type. You understand, he got straight 758 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: a's through school. That doesn't mean you're not excitable. What 759 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: he was always teacher's pet. That also doesn't mean you're 760 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 1: not excitable. What. Everybody knew he'd go to college and 761 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: make a name for himself. Like nobody excitable. Ever, and 762 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 1: Jim knew it too. Ever, since he came back to 763 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: the farm, he'd been in a funk, like farming was 764 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: too low for him, I see, unlike Burbank's own, Ben Shapiro, 765 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: Austin's now right and again, one of the funniest things 766 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: about this is that, like the actual like buying tractors 767 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,360 Speaker 1: is a fucking nightmare right now, because John Deere has 768 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: such domination of the market, and they do all sorts 769 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: of fund up ship to like make it illegal to 770 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: repair your own tractors a good like for example, say 771 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,800 Speaker 1: someone competent like Cory doctor. Would it take on the 772 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: story with aspects of these themes. It would probably be 773 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: about how somebody figured out an incredible way to increase 774 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,879 Speaker 1: crop efficiency and productivity by improving their tractor, and then 775 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 1: the John Deer Corporation came after them and destroyed their 776 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,320 Speaker 1: life for legally modifying their own piece of equipment. Like again, 777 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 1: an author with something to say could take elements of 778 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 1: this and make a story. But this has been so 779 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess magically, the fact that the tractor, the 780 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: fact that there's a huge barrier to entry and even 781 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,120 Speaker 1: manufacturing tractors, the fact that John Deere keeps it on 782 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 1: such like, all this stuff, I'm gonna guess is not 783 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: at all a factor in the stories. Would that be correct, Cody, 784 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,400 Speaker 1: what you're saying being I would say that is correct. 785 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: This yard boy just make a tractor that gets huge. 786 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: Despite what you're describing seeming to me to be a 787 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,360 Speaker 1: bit unfair, Yeah, it does seem I mean it seems 788 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,439 Speaker 1: like you could make a great story called What's Fair 789 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 1: about You? Maybe his dad raises him with these strong 790 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: energy fairness and they're farming family and aspects of John 791 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: Dear's intellectual property ship fucks them over and sure to 792 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: get Bench Shapiro this episode, I think he's going to 793 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,759 Speaker 1: be really yeah, yeah, anyway, just been I guess my 794 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 1: other piece of advice, my third piece of advice to 795 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: you this episode is have something to say. Yeah, oh, well, 796 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 1: get to what he has to say. I shouldn't be 797 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: telling him, just dying to know what is fair? Mhm, 798 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 1: nothing's fair. Life's not fair, I assume, and shouldn't be, 799 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: is what I assume he is about to say. But farming, 800 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 1: it's too low for Jim, is what I've gathered. I 801 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: always think that's why he hold up in the office 802 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,360 Speaker 1: and let me do the grunt work. But now he 803 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: was excited again. Wait, he said he wasn't excited. He was, 804 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: and he's not excitable. You said he wasn't excitable and 805 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,800 Speaker 1: that he never liked that, he never liked farming. So 806 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,359 Speaker 1: he's excited about farming again. Two paragraphs earlier quote, I'd 807 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: never seen Jim so excited and then so now here 808 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 1: we are, but now he was excited again. Great, the 809 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: energy coming off him like the buzz in the air 810 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: after a lightning strike, Unlike anything before, except apparently some 811 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,800 Speaker 1: other time that I'm remembering. He was drawing diagrams and 812 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: he was grabbing him. This is so god like. Delete 813 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,440 Speaker 1: one of those sentences. He was drawing diagrams, and he 814 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,840 Speaker 1: was grabbing him around the waist and singing little songs 815 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,720 Speaker 1: to her. And he was even holding up those drawings 816 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: so Mom could see, even though she wasn't really seeing anything. 817 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: Too many evens in there. Uh. Then he came around 818 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,880 Speaker 1: and gave me a hug around the neck. It was 819 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: the first time he'd hugged me since we were in 820 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,040 Speaker 1: elementary school together. Tommy, he said, we're gonna be rich. 821 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: The productor's name is Tommy. Okay, okay, uh. Moving on 822 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,040 Speaker 1: through time. As much time as he had spent in 823 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: the office, he was now spending it in the barn, 824 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 1: messing with our mechanical plow. Every time I'd go in there, 825 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,719 Speaker 1: he'd be underneath the thing, a hammer or a wrench 826 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 1: in his hand, bashing away at the thing, not the thing, 827 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: things tightening something here screwing something there. Yeah, I shouldn't 828 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 1: have called it the thing twice in a row, real 829 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 1: close together. It's just and like it's just awkward. Every 830 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 1: time I'd go in there, he'd be underneath the thing, 831 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,279 Speaker 1: a hammer, a wrench in hand, bashing away. It's the 832 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,760 Speaker 1: thing awful, it really, it's like nails on a chalkboard. 833 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,080 Speaker 1: To me, I don't interject every time it happens, but 834 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: it's like something twinges in my spine. Not again. The 835 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 1: finances went to the dogs. Okay. One time I signed 836 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: a check at the grocery and we were overdrawn. Another time, wait, 837 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,319 Speaker 1: you can't overdraw the check? Bub how did you know? Yeah? 838 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 1: All right. Another time, I mean maybe they can, maybe 839 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 1: there's something, but go on. Another time the mortgage man 840 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:41,919 Speaker 1: came down the road, fucking kidding me. Another time, that's 841 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:47,600 Speaker 1: like that's our version of tax man or whatever. Another 842 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 1: time the mortgage man came down the road and asked 843 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,200 Speaker 1: if we needed more time on the payment. We didn't. 844 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,040 Speaker 1: Jim had just forgotten to pay him. Even m was 845 00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: getting worried about his absent mindedness. And with Jim out 846 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: of control, everything's fun. Out of control. Oh fuck, that's 847 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 1: good that's just good clean fun. Cody, That's that's just 848 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:21,320 Speaker 1: good clean fun. That's we no notes on that clean. Yeah. 849 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,319 Speaker 1: Well let's splut this into a part two. Yeah, we 850 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 1: can do part two. We can continue this on into 851 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,880 Speaker 1: the fucking new year. Um. I would do this the 852 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: rest of my life because I mean, be careful. That's 853 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:41,719 Speaker 1: how we get ourselves into another new show. Like, let's 854 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:47,239 Speaker 1: not say anything. We can't take good Katie can't. We're like, 855 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,799 Speaker 1: we're good at it. And then let's just do it 856 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: every day and the souls are dead. Um, there's not 857 00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 1: like a good like time jump coming up for another 858 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 1: couple of pages. Um, although we stop it here. Uh, honestly, 859 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,960 Speaker 1: we can stop it. Uh yeah, and with gim out 860 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,960 Speaker 1: of control, it seems like a good stopping spot. Agree, 861 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:18,640 Speaker 1: you guys are yeah everything yeah, don't with everything out 862 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,879 Speaker 1: of control on this podcast, don't let yourself spin out 863 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:28,960 Speaker 1: of control until next time when this is though. What 864 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:35,239 Speaker 1: an amazing writer. Yeah, this is a Christmas holiday miracle, 865 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,640 Speaker 1: a miracle we tease something fun for you guys, and 866 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,839 Speaker 1: this is this is what you've you've you deserved this 867 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 1: after the year. This is like it's like either a 868 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,720 Speaker 1: compliment or a threat like yeah, I don't know which 869 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 1: all is fair. Maybe we deserve this, you deserve this. Yeah, 870 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,200 Speaker 1: I can imagine us like patting a patting an exhausted 871 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 1: nurse on the shoulder and saying you deserve this, and 872 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,520 Speaker 1: also staring at like an n f T brow and 873 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:08,480 Speaker 1: going you deserve this. You and your ape show UM, 874 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 1: so yeah, I think um with gmatic control. Everything's when 875 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,400 Speaker 1: I control. And we'll be back, uh next time to 876 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,320 Speaker 1: find out the rest of this paragraph. And I can't wait. 877 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:35,839 Speaker 1: Oh everything, so everything, So I tried. Worst Year Ever 878 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,480 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio. 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