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Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning,

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Speaker 1: This is Laura, Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's

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Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one part of

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Speaker 1: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they

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Speaker 1: take their days from great to awesome and any advice

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Speaker 1: they have for the rest of us. So today I

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Speaker 1: am delighted to welcome Lauri Palau to the show. She

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Speaker 1: is the host of the Organized Life podcast, author of

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Speaker 1: the book Hot Mess, owner of the business Simply Be Organized. So, Laurie,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 2: I love sitting on the other side of a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Most absolutely, it's a totally different experience. So why don't

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Speaker 1: you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'll try to give it the quick, short version.

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Speaker 2: So I'm a mom to two grown ish kids. I

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Speaker 2: have a almost twenty two year old and year old,

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Speaker 2: so kind of in a new season of.

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Speaker 3: Life for my youngest.

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Speaker 2: Just graduated college and so that's bringing on a whole

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Speaker 2: different type of mothering. And then professionally, I run a

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Speaker 2: company called Simply Be Organized, where I write teach speak

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Speaker 2: all about decluttering all parts of your life, whether it's

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Speaker 2: the physical stuff in your home, whether it's more of

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Speaker 2: the productivity side of things where you're reducing things in

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Speaker 2: your calendar, or just kind of relational things that are

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Speaker 2: the mental block of keeping you stuck where you are.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, and I have a I had a podcast

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Speaker 2: for eight years, and I just made the decision that

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Speaker 2: when we talk about editing our lives and things that

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Speaker 2: you know we need to make changes, we just made

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Speaker 2: the decision that we are going to be ending our show,

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Speaker 2: which is scary and exciting all the things.

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Speaker 2: Where I am personally and professionally.

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Speaker 1: And how did you get involved in the organizing business?

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Speaker 2: So it was really by happenstance. I tell the story.

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Speaker 2: It was very anticlimactic in a sense that I was

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Speaker 2: just always somebody that was very organized. When my kids

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Speaker 2: were little, my husband traveled a ton, so I had

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Speaker 2: to create systems and strategies for my own sanity. That

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Speaker 2: was it, And I guess my brain just works that way.

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Speaker 2: And my past life, I was an executive recruiter and

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Speaker 2: I loved working with people. I always liked working with

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Speaker 2: people and finding out what motivated them, And in my

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Speaker 2: old world, it was although what motivated them for changing

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Speaker 2: their careers?

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Speaker 3: Was it freedom? Was it?

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Speaker 3: Was it? You know?

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Speaker 2: thousand and eight two thousand and nine, much of my

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Speaker 2: client work was impacted and a friend of mine who's

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Speaker 2: an interior designer, made the recommendation of like, hey, you

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Speaker 2: might want to try doing this professionally. And I really

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Speaker 2: took the skills that I was using with recruiting and

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Speaker 2: started working with people to find out about their motivation

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Speaker 2: And I found that there was a lot of overlap

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Speaker 3: It was just showing up differently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And one of the things you talk about, I

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Speaker 1: love the big phrase on your website, it's not about

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Speaker 1: the bins. So for those of us who think that organization,

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Speaker 1: you know, we like our bins, perhaps why is it

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Speaker 2: Because for me, and this is where I always put

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Speaker 2: the disclaimer that I pretend I'm a fake therapist, I'm

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Speaker 3: So with all and.

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Speaker 2: The utmost respect to anybody that has letters after their name.

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Speaker 2: But after doing this for fifteen years and just kind

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Speaker 2: really find that clutter is the symptom and disorganization is

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Speaker 3: And really I can give you the tools to meeting

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Speaker 2: but ultimately it's about how it makes us feel. How

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Speaker 2: That's just not the case. We have to really kind

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think the key to unlocking what

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Speaker 2: it like situational clutter versus crime clutter. Situational clutter is Listen,

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Speaker 2: But what where it starts to become a pain point

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Speaker 2: let's look at, well, what are the patterns of behavior?

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Speaker 2: How you communicating? Is it a problem with yourself? Is

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Speaker 1: I must say, is one of those c's children, yea,

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Speaker 3: And I get it, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, and that's why I always kind of lead with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well we're going to take a quick

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Speaker 1: ad break and then I will be back with more

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Speaker 1: from Louri Palou. Well, I am back talking with Louri Palau,

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Speaker 1: who's the owner of the business simply be organized, all right,

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Speaker 1: So I love practical tips on this show. We've talked

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Speaker 2: So, I mean there are some basics which are I

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Speaker 2: I could just sit with my thoughts. I've gone through

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Speaker 1: Louri Palou. Well, I am back talking with Lauri Palou,

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Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent, Well, Laurie, I always ask people on the

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Speaker 3: That's a really good question.

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Speaker 2: I really think it comes down to gratitude and just

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Speaker 3: That where you are is a gift. And you know, I.

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Speaker 2: And I'll yes, I was working remotely, but I just

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Speaker 3: That can really reframe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you can savor the good things that are

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Speaker 1: happening and sure get through the bed. So, Laurie, where

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Speaker 1: can people find you?

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Speaker 2: So best place to find me is my website, which

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Speaker 2: is the hub of all the things, and that's simply

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Speaker 2: the letter B like Boyorganized dot com and you can

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Speaker 2: connect up. There's a link for the podcast because even

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Speaker 2: though we're not doing new episodes, we have over five

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Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, Well, Laurie, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us. Thank you to everyone for listening. If you

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Speaker 1: have feedback about this or any other episode, you can

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Speaker 1: always reach me at Laura at Laura vandercam dot com.

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Speaker 1: And in the meantime, this is Laura. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 1: and here's to making the most of our time. Thanks

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