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Speaker 1: This the One Bill's Live, presented by Calllida Health.

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Speaker 2: All right, how's everybody doing here on this snowy Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown seems answer with you One Bill's Live. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining us, making us a part of your afternoon.

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Speaker 2: And uh, I'm officially done. I'm done with the snow

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Speaker 2: and it's just gonna keep on keeping on. Who knows

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Speaker 2: how long.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready to keep going. Let's just keep going. Let's

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Speaker 3: make it's like how far you want to go? It's

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Speaker 3: like North of the Wall in Game of three. Let's

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Speaker 3: just stay winter gear around constantly. I don't want any

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Speaker 2: Uh. I know, I know one animal species that's had

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Speaker 2: enough of this snowfall. It's the deer. I know you

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Speaker 2: have plenty around your neighborhood. I know you call them vermin.

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Speaker 2: And they're eating the bark off of my bushes because

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Speaker 2: there's nothing green and leafy for them to eat. So

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Speaker 2: my name, my neighbor chases them out of the yard

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Speaker 2: with his sling shot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my property has been My property has been mistaken

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Speaker 3: for a deer ranch at times, So yeah, I know

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Speaker 3: exactly what you mean.

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Speaker 2: They are vermin, and they they don't care that it's

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Speaker 2: like they're they have no natural predators. Dude, I A

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Speaker 2: would have coyotes. We used to have coyotes out here

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Speaker 2: in Lancaster. We don't have any anymore. I guess there's

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Speaker 2: still some in Niagara County. But we need some more

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Speaker 2: natural predators out here.

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Speaker 3: We're in the we're considered out in the in the

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Speaker 3: country in East Aurora, and we we have a couple

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Speaker 3: of We have coyotes every so often, not all you

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Speaker 3: do jcovery, not wide ranging, and they're not prevalent. We

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Speaker 3: have foxes. But I'm I'm I plow my own drive

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Speaker 3: right because I'm the only guy I can trust. And

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Speaker 3: I'm out there and this thing tooling around and this

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Speaker 3: you know, my plow makes a lot of noise, and

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Speaker 3: it's you know, is an open actually you know it's

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Speaker 3: a human being in there. And the deer are just

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Speaker 3: off my driveway, chewing on tree bark, like you said,

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Speaker 3: just looking at me, like like clear off. What are

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Speaker 3: you like? They expect me to clear them a path?

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Speaker 3: The swine I'm I hate them, absolutely hate him. I

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Speaker 3: got and I go out there and there'll be deer

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just oh they come that close.

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Speaker 3: Oh they're on my if you turn I've turned my

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Speaker 3: it's so bad. It's so bad. It's so bad. I

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Speaker 3: hate deer. I mean, you spend money landscaping. I know,

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Speaker 3: it's just playing some stuff. You spend money getting the

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Speaker 3: guys that come in and put it, you know, do

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Speaker 3: stuff to it and all that, and they just come

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Speaker 2: I hate that, especially this time of year because usually

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Speaker 2: in the summertime, we have enough untouched forest area where

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Speaker 2: I live where they'll just spend their time there and

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Speaker 2: there's plenty to forage on. But this time of the year,

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Speaker 2: when everything's covered up by the snow, they start venturing

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Speaker 2: in here. It's like you're coming down your street and

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Speaker 2: next crew to come through. So now you're just waiting.

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Speaker 2: It's like you're at a stoplight in your own neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: I live in close approximation to Knox Park, down in

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Speaker 3: I've learned too, and everybody knows this and who lives

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Speaker 3: at night or at dusk or even in the day whatever,

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Speaker 3: of you don't watch the deer that you cross. You

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Speaker 3: How do how does it? Yeah? Why do they run

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Speaker 3: I believe it, Yeah, I mean, I believe it. It's horrible. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So they're out and about and they could care less

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Speaker 3: I could any of them could have spit on them.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, I'm usually my wife, God bless her. So uh,

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Speaker 2: my wife, old school Italian. She goes walking out there

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Speaker 3: She does not does not, she does that.

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Speaker 2: I was so mad I didn't get my phone up

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Speaker 2: had a riot with that two giant pasta pots.

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Speaker 3: That is hilarious. She's that is total Italian. I'm sorry. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Really, it was effective. I can't knock get at work.

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Speaker 3: To Oh my gosh, that's that is too funny. That's

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Speaker 2: I really regret not capturing it on video because it

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Speaker 2: if there's a part due to the pots and pans

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Speaker 2: chase away technique, I'll be sure to get it on video.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even play it on the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we live out far enough.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I've had I had one of my guys that that

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Speaker 3: he goes, he's looking at me like, you know, what's

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Speaker 3: He goes, you're living in You're living in Disney World here,

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Speaker 3: And I go, what are you talking about? He goes,

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Speaker 3: I'm coming in your driveway. There's a fox, there's rabbits,

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Speaker 3: and there's deer, and there's a cardinal bird driving.

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Speaker 2: Up your dress.

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Speaker 3: It's like you're snow white out here, Tralla, lying with

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Speaker 3: the wildlife. So yeah, that's yeah, that's how far out

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, doctor Doolittle might have to be a

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Speaker 2: pseudonym for you. We'll have to see. But we do

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Speaker 2: have plenty to get to as far as around the

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Speaker 2: NFL is concerned, which is brought to you by Kalida Healthy,

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Speaker 2: official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills, and it begins

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Speaker 2: with actually a couple of former Bills Steve. The first

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Speaker 2: being Stefan Diggs, who, as we know, was traded to

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Speaker 2: Texans lasted all of eight games before he tore his

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Speaker 2: ACL with a knee injury, out for the rest of

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Speaker 2: the year. But now we are hearing from the general manager,

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Speaker 2: Nick Cassario. He had a radio interview down in Houston

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Speaker 2: yesterday and he basically left the door open for Stefan

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Speaker 2: Digs to return and re sign with the club. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: a lot we'll have to do with how ready that

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Speaker 2: in October. He's thirty one years old. You know, you're

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Speaker 2: looking at probably eight to ten month rehab. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: something they're going to have to assess with their medical

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Speaker 2: staff obviously. But basically Casario said, quote, we have good

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Speaker 2: relationships with Steph and his representation. We enjoyed having Steph

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Speaker 2: of players have expressed sentiments and interest in potentially returning

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Speaker 2: So we're going to be open minded. As for those

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he he gave him eight games, that's all he

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Speaker 3: got out of the season, and that's yeah, it's too bad.

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Speaker 3: I mean, nobody wishes that an injury on anybody, even,

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Speaker 3: you know, no matter what the circumstances of the separation were.

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Speaker 3: So it's as rough. That's a rough season, and it

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Speaker 3: it doesn't surprise me that the Texans. So, yeah, he

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Speaker 3: can come back. I mean it's still just eight games

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Speaker 3: other teams interested in signing staff. At thirty plus years old,

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Speaker 3: So there's not this year any But the guy can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, how quickly he bounces back is going

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Speaker 2: one year deal if he's still available. In other former

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Speaker 2: Bills news, former Bill's center slash guard John Feliciano announced

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Speaker 2: his retirement today on social media. He said he still

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Speaker 2: has the fire to play, but he knows his body

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Speaker 2: will not hold up for a full season anymore. So

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Speaker 2: he thanked every club he played for. Here's what he

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Speaker 2: said about his time with the Bills. After four years

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Speaker 2: as a raider, I took my talents to Buffalo. It

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Speaker 2: was finally my time to lead. My three years in

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Speaker 2: Buffalo were some of my favorite times in my life.

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Speaker 2: I dragged Lee Smith with me and we helped turn

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Speaker 2: that bleep around along with some guy named Josh, having

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Speaker 2: deep playoff runs in back to back AFC East Championships.

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Speaker 2: The city of Buffalo is a unique place I will

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Speaker 2: always call home. Thank you, Buffalo for all the love

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Speaker 2: you showed me my family and support staff. So that

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Speaker 2: was kind of cool that he spoke glowingly of Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: And I think he was one of those gritty guys.

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Speaker 2: You know, he was probably Alec Anderson here before Alec

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Speaker 2: Anderson because he was in the middle of everything when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was different than Alec Anderson. He was a

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Speaker 3: bit like Alec Anderson. He has some grit and he

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Speaker 3: of it. And this team needed that, remember that back then,

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Speaker 3: and he was that guy. He was a salty customer

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bills and Eagles were among some of the

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Speaker 3: For tickets and maybe a see in a parking space,

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Speaker 3: You're gonna you're gonna puke up nine hundred million dollars

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Speaker 3: All you get. Yeah, they're not giving this will.

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Speaker 3: Right, you don't even you probably don't even get to

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Speaker 2: For nine hundred million, we'll give you closed camera access.

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Speaker 3: Now they will do that. Either you don't get anything.

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Speaker 3: Here's what you're gonna do. We'll give you. We'll give

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Speaker 2: You don't get ten percent off of the bottom line.

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Speaker 3: So when the I can't remember who owns the forty

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your money, but we're going to give it

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Speaker 3: Listen. That's I I've heard guys. I've heard people who

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Speaker 3: But goodness great, you don't get anything but some nice

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Speaker 3: build the new stadium on the footprint of the astrodome,

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Speaker 3: which is kind of they share across the street. Yeah,

433
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Speaker 3: but it's a parking lot. Yeah, So they build the

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Speaker 3: stadium where the Astrodome is and then knock NRG down

435
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Speaker 3: when the other one's finished, like they're doing here in Buffalo,

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Speaker 3: and like they did in Giant Stadium, and like they

437
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Speaker 3: did in San Francisco, although those stadiums are far apart,

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Speaker 3: so they build it while they're still in this They're

439
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Speaker 3: not going to tear this one, the NRG Stadium down

440
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Speaker 3: until the new one's ready. You know. It's kind of

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Speaker 3: one of those deals because this astrodome is is right

442
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Speaker 3: next to it. It's like what two hundred yards away. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean they could do it. They got the space.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge complex down there. But yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: it'll come down to it'll come down to numbers and money, right, But.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see altimate what they do and are geez beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's a gigantic facility.

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Speaker 3: It's maybe that's umungus. Maybe that's it. Maybe they want

449
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Speaker 3: just they need to change it and different, maximize it more.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they've got some numbers or some analytics that say

451
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Speaker 3: we could maximize it twenty percent more if we cut

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Speaker 3: ten thousand seats down, made every seat a lot better

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Speaker 3: and reconfit, blah blah blah, all of that stuff. I

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Speaker 3: don't know, mate.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of what the Bills are doing with their

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Speaker 2: new place, yeacause capacity is going to go down by

457
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Speaker 2: about ten thousand the new state.

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Speaker 3: The stadium, this stadium we're in. I mean, you go

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Speaker 3: back years and I can give you some speci because

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Speaker 3: I knew this when Ralph Wilson owned the team. He

461
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Speaker 3: said I need a big because back then it was

462
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Speaker 3: ticket sales that drove revenue, right, so he knew that eight. Right.

463
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Speaker 3: It's say it'sat eighty thousand, two hundred and fifty, and

464
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Speaker 3: that was when I first got to Buffalo. It is

465
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Speaker 3: eighty thousand and two fifty. And so you went from

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety through nineteen ninety nine, any year in that

467
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Speaker 3: decade that started with a nine. The Bills won more

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Speaker 3: games in the nineteen nineties than eight franchise in the

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Speaker 3: National Football League, won more games than any franchise in

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Speaker 3: the league. And you think well, okay, and it's for

471
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Speaker 3: the most part. It's true that fans show up, but

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Speaker 3: the stadium is so big compared to the size of

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Speaker 3: the market that it was tough. So you look back

474
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Speaker 3: and even though the team was so good during the nineties,

475
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Speaker 3: they only sold out fifty seven percent of their games. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because it's so big.

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Speaker 2: And then when they and then when they brought in

478
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Speaker 2: the business backs the Bills Committee in ninety eight and

479
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Speaker 2: build out the dugout suites, the capacity got reduced to

480
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Speaker 2: about seventy one thousand, and that's kind of where it

481
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Speaker 2: has sat ever since then. So there and so now

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Speaker 2: places will be like sixty two and change, and then

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Speaker 2: there'll be some standing room only options, I guess.

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Speaker 3: At times, and you know, and I know that's too.

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Speaker 3: You know, we don't know until we get in there.

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Speaker 3: But you can you can look around and see how

487
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Speaker 3: it went in other stadiums and other cities, and people

488
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Speaker 3: are worried that they're not gonna be able to find.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna be able to find to see if you

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Speaker 3: want to go to the game, You're gonna be able

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Speaker 3: to go to the game, and you're gonna be able

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Speaker 3: to afford it too. And it's gonna be much more.

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Speaker 3: The amenities are going to be miles ahead of where

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Speaker 3: they are in this stadium, so it'll it'll be worth it.

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Speaker 3: But you know, these the new stadiums, I really feel old.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Bills are the team that went down

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Speaker 3: and opened up Joe Robbie Stadium against Miami. It was

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Speaker 3: a preseason was it a preseason game or first regular

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Speaker 3: season game? I guess it was. The Bills were in

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Speaker 3: Miami for the opening of that after they left the

501
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Speaker 3: Orange Bowl. I never played in the Orange Bowl in fact,

502
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Speaker 3: so that and the you know, all these new stadiums goodness.

503
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Speaker 3: I played in Candlestick, I played in in in Community

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Speaker 3: what is the name of it in Baltimore Community Park,

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Speaker 3: City Park, the based King Dome, the Kingdome. I played

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Speaker 3: in Seattle Kingdome, LA Coliseum. I never played in Oakland.

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Speaker 3: They were the lh LA Raiders when I was When

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Speaker 3: I was playing, all right, I played in Uh did.

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Speaker 2: You play in Anaheim Stadium against the Rams?

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Speaker 3: Yeah you did, yeah, yeah, in a preseason game. I

511
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Speaker 3: played in Jack Murphy in San Diego, Old I played

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Speaker 3: in I never played in Shay. I always played in

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Speaker 3: Meadowlands Yeah, Old Meadowlands, the Old Meadowlands. Then I played

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Speaker 3: uh Sullivan Field, Cleveland Stadium. Sullivan did you, oh Man,

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Speaker 3: I was in.

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Speaker 2: Ninety in your last year in ninety seven, you played

517
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Speaker 2: in the Liberty Bowl, right Mephis Tennessee Oilers, Memphis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a fun trip.

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Speaker 3: What a dump? But yes, I did play in it.

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Speaker 2: It was a dump, it was It was a fun trip.

522
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Speaker 2: I went to Graceland and be King's Blues Club.

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Speaker 3: That was a good weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that is around the NFL presented by Colida Health.

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Speaker 2: Topic of discussion for you today, how should the Bills

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Speaker 2: balance filling their roster holes this offseason? You know the

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Speaker 2: means by which they can do that free agency draft trade,

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Speaker 2: but how should that balance figure out? Like what should

529
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Speaker 2: be the heavier what should do the heavy lifting in

530
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: filling the roster holes for the Bills this offseason? To me, Steve,

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Speaker 2: this is an interesting discussion because I think there's a

532
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Speaker 2: healthy number of fans that believe the Bills are right

533
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Speaker 2: there and on the cusp of getting to the Super

534
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Speaker 2: Bowl and winning that thing. And those people might lean

535
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Speaker 2: in favor of give me proven veteran players to plug

536
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Speaker 2: and play and let's go and get over the hump finally.

537
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Speaker 2: And I think there are other people that feel the

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Speaker 2: team needs to get younger and more athletic and add

539
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Speaker 2: more speed to the roster, and those people might be

540
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: leaning draft. We want to know which way you're leaning

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Speaker 2: eight oh three zero, five point fifty one eight at

542
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Speaker 2: eight five point fifty two five fifty. But you can

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Speaker 2: see there's there could be a difference of opinion there.

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Speaker 3: I'm here's the thing, there's there's a couple of ways

545
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Speaker 3: to look at it. One, this is the organizational way

546
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Speaker 3: they're doing it right now. They got to swing at

547
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: it every year and look at the way it has

548
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: ended at times. And that's why it's so frustrating. And

549
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 3: it's hard to be patient in eras like this because

550
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 3: you've come so close so many times, and at the

551
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: end of it, you're still you're a different eighth of

552
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Speaker 3: an inch shy every time. The spot on fourth down

553
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: this last year, the spot on third down this last

554
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Speaker 3: year in the AFC Championship game, there's an argument to

555
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Speaker 3: be made that you know, that's what kept you out

556
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Speaker 3: of the Super Bowl, But the fact that you've won

557
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: five straight division titles you've gotten a swing at the

558
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: brass ring five or six straight years, six to eight

559
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: straight years or whatever, six of eight years, and you've

560
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Speaker 3: got every reasonab believe you can get back there again

561
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Speaker 3: this year, particularly since this last year where you got

562
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Speaker 3: further than you had the three previous years. You were

563
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Speaker 3: supposed to be in a rebuilding mode, so you know

564
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Speaker 3: you got it under the hood to get there and

565
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Speaker 3: get there again. I'm I'll say it again. This team

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Speaker 3: has been good enough to go to and win it

567
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Speaker 3: for five years. If you start going all and pushing

568
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Speaker 3: your chips to the table. You know, if you start

569
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Speaker 3: going in, going out and given two first for Miles Garrett,

570
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Speaker 3: given two ones and a two and a player for

571
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Speaker 3: Max Crosby, and you can just go down the list.

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Speaker 3: If you do something outlanding like make the big swing,

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Speaker 3: you're still writing in the same spot. I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: still no guarantees. What are you gonna do If you

575
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Speaker 3: get Miles Garrett and then he blows his ACL on Thanksgiving, Well,

576
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Speaker 3: now you're right back where you were, and then your

577
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Speaker 3: future after that is even more precarious. It's gonna be

578
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Speaker 3: even harder to get back to where you have been.

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Speaker 3: Every year doing it the way you're doing it now.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's what you do. You don't if

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Speaker 3: the swing makes sense, if you've got a shot at it,

582
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Speaker 3: and it's not gonna hurt you with draft, with your cap,

583
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Speaker 3: with all that stuff, do what you can do, but

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Speaker 3: do not mortgage anything and jeopardize your ability to be

585
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Speaker 3: good by putting it all in one year. I think

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Speaker 3: that's a mistake, all right, But you.

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Speaker 2: Would only really be giving up on the future via trade,

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Speaker 2: as you're suggesting. There are ways to do it in

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Speaker 2: free agency without giving up capital and things of that

590
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: nature to compromise your future player pipeline.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you've got to. Yeah, I mean it

592
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: comes down. It comes down to exactly what it always

593
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: comes down to. You got to pick the right guys.

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Speaker 3: If you get the right guys, yeah, and pay them

595
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Speaker 3: veteran minimum. You can win the Super Bowl twenty million

596
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: dollars under the cap. But that's hard to do. That's

597
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: hard to do, and you don't know for sure that

598
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: the free agent market is going to is going to

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Speaker 3: have that kind of talent in it that is affordable

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Speaker 3: for your cap in the year in which you have

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Speaker 3: money to spend or whatever money you have to spend

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Speaker 3: that year, and you don't know if that talent's going

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Speaker 3: to come through. And also it's the same thing as

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Speaker 3: the draft. Your drafting this year looks like maybe almost

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Speaker 3: ten guys the Bills are going to have out of

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Speaker 3: this draft class. You don't know if any of them

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Speaker 3: can play.

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Speaker 2: Right, which is why some people might lean toward free

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Speaker 2: agent vets with a proven track record in this league.

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Speaker 2: And that's the question we posed to you today. How

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Speaker 2: should the Bills balance filling their roster holes this offseason

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Speaker 2: more free agency, more draft? Do you slip in a trade?

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Speaker 2: How would you break down the percentages with the three

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Speaker 2: avenues by which the Bills can acquire players? Eighth three,

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Speaker 2: five point fifty one, eight, two fifty. We've got open

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Speaker 2: lines for you there, and we're wide open for your

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Speaker 2: phone calls for the next half hour. Second hour of

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Speaker 2: the show, we're gonna catch up with the founder and

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Speaker 2: managing editor of spot track dot com. That's Mike Janitti.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to him about a Miles Garrett trade move

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Speaker 2: and how the Browns can get out from under that

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Speaker 2: contract if they decide they want to, among other topics.

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Speaker 2: Here on one Bill's Live taking your phone calls next,

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Speaker 2: stay with.

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Speaker 4: Us, all right, welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you and asking you how

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Speaker 2: to divvy up the acquisitions for the Buffalo roster this

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Speaker 2: off season. How should the Bills balance filling roster holes

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Speaker 2: this off season? Maybe you covet the draft Choicesuffalo has

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Speaker 2: and feels that the Bills should build with youth and

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Speaker 2: athleticism to make them faster on defense for next year.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you want proven veteran players who have done it

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Speaker 2: at this level and would rather have them acquire more

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Speaker 2: free agents for the rosters so they're more game ready

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Speaker 2: from week one. Right from the jump, you let us

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Speaker 2: know how those percentages should fall in player acquisition this

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Speaker 2: offseason for Buffalo. Eight H three h five point fifty

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Speaker 2: one eight eight eight five fifty two five point fifty

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Speaker 2: are the numbers to get on board. We do have

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Speaker 2: open lines for you. If you don't have time to

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Speaker 2: give us a phone call, you can always hit us

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Speaker 2: we'll crack the tweet sheet open now just to get

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Speaker 2: the official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. And

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Speaker 2: from Football is Life, they say, D line most resources,

648
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Speaker 2: draft capital, cap space, boundary players, cornerback and wide receiver.

649
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Speaker 2: Supreme value presents itself. So it looks like looks like

650
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Speaker 2: from Football his Life wants corner and receiver in the draft,

651
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Speaker 2: D line cap space, use your free agents.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they want. They want to spend most of their

653
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: resources on the D line apparently that And I get it.

654
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Speaker 3: They're hard. Those getting good on the defensive line, really

655
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Speaker 3: good is hard. You need got you need big guys

656
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Speaker 3: who are skilled, motivated, durable, the whole thing. And it's

657
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 3: it's a hard needle to thread to find a bunch

658
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Speaker 3: of those guys. And like I said yesterday, I think

659
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Speaker 3: it was most teams are happy when they got one

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Speaker 3: game wrecker. You know, the Eagles had a couple this

661
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Speaker 3: last year. They and they came from inside and outside,

662
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Speaker 3: and then they got guys who elevated near the end

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Speaker 3: of the season, like you know, sweated Josh Schwet did.

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Speaker 3: But most teams, you got Max Crosby, your your they're

665
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Speaker 3: figure your pass rush is set, you know, Miles Garrett. Yeah,

666
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Speaker 3: that's all we need. Let's just get some guys to

667
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Speaker 3: fill it in and after that. Most teams are in

668
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 3: that mode, you know, that's and you know the Bills

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Speaker 3: would like to get there. Basically, we don't have a

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Speaker 3: game wrecker. We've got some good, solid players who are

671
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Speaker 3: dependable that you know, and even some durable a Japanessa Rousseau.

672
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: Those guys don't miss any time, but they're not affecting

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00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 3: the quarterback consistently enough to be considered in the class

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Speaker 3: of these other guys. And that's who you're trying to get.

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Speaker 3: So spend a ton of assets, draft picks, free agency money,

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Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, get a bunch of

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Speaker 3: them and sift through them. See if you can get

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Speaker 3: to the point or at least close to the point

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Speaker 3: where some of the teams with these game wreckers are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it would seem that the proven pass rushers

681
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: are in the league now. And I wonder if there

682
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: is some recency bias too. We know that every time

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Speaker 2: a team wins the Super Bowl, everybody tries to look

684
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Speaker 2: at what they did and copy it. I mean, they

685
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: drafted their two starting outside Corners last year and Quinnon,

686
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Speaker 2: Mitchell and Cooper.

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Speaker 3: Dejen So.

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Speaker 2: Can you decide that corner you can get in the

689
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Speaker 2: draft and you can plug a guy in who's ready

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Speaker 2: to start right away. Well maybe maybe if you get

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Speaker 2: the right guy. But I think we can all agree

692
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Speaker 2: that finding the big guys up front is harder because

693
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Speaker 2: there are fewer of them. You got more five to

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Speaker 2: ten one hundred and eighty pound guys running around than

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Speaker 2: you do six five three hundred pound guys running around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yes, there. Think about it. You go

697
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: to a Bills game a couple of years ago, and

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00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: you've got a future Buffalo Bill watching the game from

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Speaker 3: the stands in Joe Andreesen. You know. I mean, they're

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Speaker 3: you know, they're guys out there in the general population

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Speaker 3: who are good enough athletes to get out there, you know,

702
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Speaker 3: because they got high speed, athleticism whatever. And they're young guys.

703
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: They're they're coming up. Those guys are Those guys are plentiful.

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Speaker 3: They're just they're normal sized guys who happen to be

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Speaker 3: fast and athletic. There's not that many guys that are

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00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 3: six five three Bills or more who can outrun most people.

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Speaker 3: You know, they just they just aren't out there. So

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Speaker 3: that's they're They're hard to find, you know, so it

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Speaker 3: you got to spend to get them, find them and

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Speaker 3: develop them too, because rarely are they a finished product

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Speaker 3: when you get them. One of these guys we're talking

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Speaker 3: about in the trademark, we'll talk to, you know, Mike

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Speaker 3: Janetti when we get him on from spot Track about

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Speaker 3: how likely it is that a guy like you know,

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Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson or Max Crosby or Miles Garrett, no matter

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Speaker 3: how bad they want out of their current deal or situation,

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00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: you know, how likely is it everybody would love them,

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Speaker 3: love to have them, but not everybody can afford them

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Speaker 3: and not and the Browns themselves may not be able

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Speaker 3: to make it happen. Maybe not even the Raiders. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's tough. They're just hard to find.

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Speaker 2: Tom on the tweets sheet says Bean will sign everyone

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Speaker 2: the team needs in free agency, so there is not

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Speaker 2: a specific need when they go into the draft. Smart

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Speaker 2: way to play it. Yeah, I get that, Tom, and

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Speaker 2: that is true. That has been his mo. Try to

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Speaker 2: reduce pressing, glaring needs as much as possible in free

728
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: agency so you don't feel compelled to lean that way

729
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Speaker 2: in the draft and maybe reach for a player when

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Speaker 2: you shouldn't. Totally get that and respect that approach. I'm

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Speaker 2: just wondering for roles like, let's just say outside corner

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Speaker 2: where Rasul Douglas is a free agent and may not

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Speaker 2: be back starting safety, where DeMar Hamlin's a free agent

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Speaker 2: and may not be back defensive tackle, where there might

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Speaker 2: not be a single defensive tackle to play the one

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Speaker 2: technique on the roster, knowing who's who are free agents

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Speaker 2: right now and who could be a cap casualty, so

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Speaker 2: specific starting roles, you want to fill those with all

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Speaker 2: three of those spots on Buffalo's defense with free agents,

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Speaker 2: or do you want to go one free agent, will

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Speaker 2: spend big, be really good up front, and then let's

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Speaker 2: just draft the rest and hope some of those guys

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Speaker 2: are starting caliber by the time we get out of

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Speaker 2: the preseason.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you, Brownie, I get that. But here's the thing,

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Speaker 3: and he's said it before, and they're right. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Tom is right from the tweets sheet. They will not

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Speaker 3: go into the draft with any positional emergency where they've

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Speaker 3: got to get a guy where they have to get

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Speaker 3: an outside corner where they've got to get a defensive

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Speaker 3: line or one technique of three technique. They will not

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Speaker 3: go into the draft without every spot on the roster

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Speaker 3: at least having a stop gap guy at least if

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Speaker 3: not a guy who can compete. They will not do

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Speaker 3: that because when you get in the draft, if there

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Speaker 3: is a positional hole in your draft card, in your

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00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: roster before you hit the draft, it's it's a old saying.

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Speaker 3: Need is a horrible evaluator. And if you go into

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Speaker 3: the draft got to have an outside corner, well you're

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Speaker 3: gonna get a guy who's either you're gonna draft a

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Speaker 3: number one round a first round guy who really should

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Speaker 3: have been a late second because you gotta get him.

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Speaker 3: Now you've wasted all that value between the first round

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Speaker 3: guy and a late second round guy, that all that's

765
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Speaker 3: all gone away. And if you're if the guy you

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Speaker 3: take is just a guy, it's a waste. So you

767
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Speaker 3: can't go into the draft, and he won't. He will

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Speaker 3: not go into the draft with any position on the

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Speaker 3: team that is an emergency. And so you know, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna have guys to line up when the draft hits,

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Speaker 3: but they're gonna need some guys who can step in

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Speaker 3: and play too. I mean, that's that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just kind of wondering what the percentage breakdown's

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Speaker 2: gonna be. Is it gonna be sixty percent free agents

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Speaker 2: and you know thirty percent draft choices and you know

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Speaker 2: ten percent trade or you know what's that breakdown? Get

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Speaker 2: it's not gonna be. It's not gonna buy this time

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Speaker 2: we get the training camp.

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Speaker 3: It'll be. It'll there's there's gonna be if if they

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Speaker 3: have like signed right now, and I don't know what

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Speaker 3: the number is how many guys are on the roster

782
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Speaker 3: right now. I can check spot track, but if you

783
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 3: look at how many guys they're they're have under contract

784
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Speaker 3: right now, and the Bills right now have.

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Speaker 2: Six fifty two or sixty sixty, right.

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Speaker 3: So they've got, you know, enough to fill out a roster,

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Speaker 3: but only the top fifty one count at this time

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Speaker 3: of year, right m So if you're gonna get up

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Speaker 3: to you know, max is sixty nine guys, it's fifty

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Speaker 3: three roster and.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen well, no, it's ninety in the offseason.

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Speaker 3: Right Okay, so you're gonna get ten draft picks, So

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Speaker 3: there's thirty percent of the guys you have left to sign.

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Speaker 3: If you get ten draft picks, that's that's ten of

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Speaker 3: the thirty guys you're gonna sign. You're gonna get twenty

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Speaker 3: free agents in here, twenty of them because they're gonna

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Speaker 3: sign them all. Maybe someone will be rookie free agents

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Speaker 3: like that, preferred free agent all that, But that's that's

799
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Speaker 3: gonna that's gonna be it. You've only got so many

800
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Speaker 3: draft picks you can pick, so there's gonna they're gonna

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Speaker 3: have to get bring in twenty guys. If they get

802
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Speaker 3: ten draft picks, there's room for thirty more guys on

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Speaker 3: this roster. They're gonna get them all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's undrafted too, that cold factor into that

805
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: as well. Undrafted rookies gonna be a part of that

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Speaker 2: equation too. Gotta step aside. Take a break here, but

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Speaker 2: your phone calls and tweets when we come back, how

808
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Speaker 2: should the Bills balance out filling the roster holes this offseason?

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Speaker 2: You let us know. Next here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: presented by Colid of Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Back

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Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with

812
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Speaker 2: you and topic a discussion today how should the Bills

813
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Speaker 2: balance filling roster holes this off season? But we go

814
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Speaker 2: to the phones at eight oh three oh five fifty

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Speaker 2: and lead off with Lisa in New York. What do

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Speaker 2: you have first, Lisa, And.

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Speaker 5: Again I don't have a question that for kains to

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Speaker 5: the one that you're asking. But my question is back

819
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Speaker 5: to the chief Bills game, and why are the fishes

820
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 5: not required to attend press conferences like the coaches and players,

821
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Speaker 5: especially in controversial moments like you killed the Chiefs Bills

822
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Speaker 5: for downd call. I understand that while fishes are not

823
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Speaker 5: mandated to speak, I understand that the press can request

824
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Speaker 5: that they be present. However, there were no pull reports

825
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 5: of this case, and why didn't any of the press

826
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Speaker 5: reps from the Bills? Can't make that request high stakes

827
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Speaker 5: of the game, It's a little irresponsible.

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Speaker 2: It's a valid question, and it was asked right after

829
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Speaker 2: the game as well, like the next day people are

830
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 2: asking why was there no pool report? The player rep

831
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Speaker 2: either for the Bills, Buffalo media, Buffalo based media or

832
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: Kansas City media have to request that prior to the

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Speaker 2: end of the game, and then the pr rep for

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Speaker 2: the home team then sets that up with the officiating crew.

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Speaker 2: Clearly nobody made that request, so unfortunately getting the thoughts

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Speaker 2: from the official was never provided. So yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: it probably should have been asked in light of the

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Speaker 2: level of controversial calls that existed in that game, and

839
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Speaker 2: unfortunately that did not take place.

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00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So usually it's the league doesn't want to have

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Speaker 3: the officials be affected by what they might have to

842
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: say say after the game. They want them to get

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Speaker 3: the call right as quickly as they can, as close

844
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Speaker 3: as they can. It's a tough job, we know it,

845
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Speaker 3: and in that moment if they miss it, particularly in

846
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: today's era of replay review, they know that somebody can

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Speaker 3: fix it. And if if they can't fix it, with

848
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 3: all the cameras and stuff, how wrong could they have been.

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Speaker 3: And they're not gonna they're not gonna make these officials

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Speaker 3: go out and rak these guys over the coals after

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00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: they're you know, after the games, because they don't want

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Speaker 3: it to affect how they feel about it going into

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Speaker 3: a game. And you could have a situation where guys,

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00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: a crew's got a game in New York and they

855
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 3: know that after the game, no matter what, they're gonna

856
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Speaker 3: get raked over the coals by the New York media,

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Speaker 3: whereas if they're in Green Bay or Buffalo or New Orleans,

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00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 3: nobody's gonna say anything no matter how bad it gets.

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Speaker 3: So they're not going to do that as a league

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Speaker 3: and expose these officials to you know, open hostility after

861
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: a game like that.

862
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it would just be one single reporter who's

863
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: known as the Pool reporter, and he would singularly ask

864
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: the questions that the media wants answered, which would presumably

865
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 2: be the failed fourth down sneak by Josh and the

866
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: catch that didn't appear to look like a catch from

867
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: by Xavier Worthy when the ball hit the ground. And

868
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 2: all the head official would do is explain what they

869
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: saw and witnessed on the field and through replay and

870
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: why they made the call that they made. But yes,

871
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: an explanation would have been appreciated, Lisa, it's a valid question.

872
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: It's unfortunately the media chose not to.

873
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 3: It's the spot of the ball. And I can we

874
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: can all all of us, every one of them, even you,

875
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 3: Lisa in New York City. You can recite what the

876
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 3: explanation's gonna becaus I thought he was short. Yeah, that's it.

877
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 3: That's all it's gonna.

878
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 2: That's all you would have gotten from the pool report.

879
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: That's all there is to say about it. And yeah,

880
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: the catch maybe I the catch. Yeah, I'd like to

881
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: listen to that explanation. Absolutely, because that and because even

882
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: the on field official he, it was reviewed by he

883
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: and an official in the sky up in the booth.

884
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 3: So both of those guys came back saying, yeah, that's

885
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: not a catch. But they both came back and said,

886
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: now let the call stand. And they had as good

887
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: an angle of that as you could have. And I

888
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: don't know why that doesn't get reversed. That should to me,

889
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 3: it should have.

890
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 2: Let's go to Dennis in Williamsville next. What's up Dennis?

891
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, I just had a question about Rasul Douglas.

892
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 6: You know, in roster construction. I believe his contract is up.

893
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 6: He's going to be a free agent, right, And then,

894
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 6: you know, if you're being you're kind of looking at

895
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 6: the future too and seeing that Benford is probably going

896
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 6: to be burning for sure, a top five cornerback contract

897
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 6: probably coming up the year after. So I mean it's

898
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 6: a I think that maybe this whole offseason kind of

899
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 6: starts with the decision with Rasseull Douglas and where they

900
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 6: go if they decide to sign them. I mean, I

901
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 6: think we all agree that we need defensive line help.

902
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 6: That's probably the direction will go in the draft. But

903
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 6: if we choose not to sign them, I feel that,

904
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 6: like now, that opens up a door to potentially maybe

905
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 6: drafting a first round corner because we're certainly going to

906
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 6: need to replace that, and I don't think he's going

907
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 6: to want to put you know, whatever Russell Douglas might

908
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 6: cause him, say, it's a couple of years twenty million

909
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 6: dollars on the books, and then have to pay Benford

910
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 6: the same thing the following year or more. Right, So,

911
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 6: it's an interesting position that they're in with the direction

912
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 6: that they might want to pay these corners and where

913
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 6: to start with that.

914
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a valid point, Dennis, because you have somewhat

915
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: of a domino effect there, and you lay it out

916
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 2: pretty well, because I think we would all agree that

917
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: Christian Benford's play has put him in line for a

918
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: respectable second contract where he's gonna make big money and

919
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna probably be paying somewhere in the top I

920
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: don't know, ten to fifteen corners in the league, maybe higher.

921
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: And if you know you're committing those dollars to that

922
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 2: position already, and you have Tarn Johnson on a contract

923
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: that's about eight million a year, you're probably gonna be

924
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: looking for cheap labor on the other side. And to me,

925
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 2: that says draft. Sure, you might draft if you don't

926
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: bring Douglas back, and you might get a veteran in

927
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 2: free agency that's affordable quote unquote, but you're looking for

928
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: a frontline starter probably somewhere on the first two days

929
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: of the draft.

930
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get the idea, Dennis, but it's not Rasoul

931
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: Douglas who starts the conversation. It's the it's the corner

932
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: opposite Benford who starts the conversation. Doesn't have to be Resoul,

933
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: can be any of the free agents. They got to

934
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: bring guys like Rasouli in. They gotta bring guys like

935
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: Daikwan Jones, like uh Dwan Smoot, Jordan Phillips. They got

936
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: to bring guys like those and not those names, but

937
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 3: people in those positions. They got to sign all those

938
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 3: guys in free agency to get them to a spot

939
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 3: where they don't have to take player A B or

940
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 3: C in the draft because they may not be in

941
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 3: a position to draft a B or C in this draft.

942
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 3: I get your point. And if you'd start at corner

943
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 3: opposite Benford, I get it. But that corner's name, and

944
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 3: that's what free agency is all about. That corner's name

945
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 3: does not have to be Rasul Douglas. It can be

946
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: whatever name you want. Yeah, but I get your point,

947
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 3: and it's well taken, and you're right. I would you know,

948
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 3: the draft is where you get good, young, big dudes

949
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: with traits.

950
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it'll be a financial decision, I think, primarily

951
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: because you know Benford's going to be getting his payday

952
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: at some point, maybe not right now, but maybe in August,

953
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 2: and you've got to account for that on your cap

954
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: going forward. And if you feel you've got to go

955
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: cheap labor, you're probably leaning draft, even though you might

956
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: sign a budgetary free agent in case all else fails.

957
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: You know, with the draft pick you choose, got to

958
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: take a break here up against the clock when we

959
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: come back, Founder and managing editor of spot track dot com,

960
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: one of the best salary cap salary team websites out there,

961
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: Mike JENITTI gonna join us talk to him about Miles

962
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: Garrett and how the Browns get out from under his

963
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: contract if they want to move him, among other things

964
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: pertaining to the Bills cap as well. Next here on

965
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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live presented by Colida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

966
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: The One Bill's Live presented by Calllida Health.

967
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: All right, back for our number two Chris Brown, Steve Tassier,

968
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Speaker 2: and please to be joined here in our number two

969
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Speaker 2: by the founder and managing editor of spot track dot Com.

970
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: It's one Mike Janitti joining us. Mike, good to have

971
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: you back. And it is that time of year where

972
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 2: as you know, nflgms are going to be crunching the numbers,

973
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: and I'll begin with probably the topic of discussion that

974
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: Bill's fans are most interested in. Everybody would love to

975
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: have Miles Garrett on their roster, no matter which team

976
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: you're talking about in the league. But really this is

977
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: a bigger hurdle for the Cleveland Browns, who currently have

978
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: or woulden curve a thirty six million dollar dead cap

979
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: hit if they moved him off their roster prior to

980
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 2: June first. So take it from the Browns perspective, if

981
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: you could, Mike what if they do come to the

982
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: decision like, all right, the guy doesn't want to be here,

983
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,959
Speaker 2: let's move him. What is their best course of action

984
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: to change those dynamics to make a trade palatable for

985
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: their salary cap.

986
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's not a great one. It's a it's the

987
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 7: right point to be starting with here. And that's why

988
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 7: the Browns are so adamant outside of the fact that

989
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 7: he's an all pro right and they're trying not to

990
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 7: rip this band aid off as quickly as humanly possible.

991
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 7: But look, the answer to your question is they're going

992
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 7: to have to take that thirty six on if they

993
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 7: plan on acquiring twenty twenty five draft picks, which means

994
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 7: this offer has to be so insurmountably blowing them away

995
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 7: that it just doesn't matter that they're going to take

996
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 7: basically a sixteen and a half million dollar bath to

997
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 7: do this from a cap perspective. So you know, when

998
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 7: you have enough teams involved, five six contenders, all these

999
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 7: names that I think we're hearing are pretty real, because

1000
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 7: this is one of those unicorns that has been dangled

1001
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 7: out there now before March twelve.

1002
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 3: It just takes a lot.

1003
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 7: It takes five six draft picks, maybe a couple of

1004
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 7: players coming back to offset this thing a little bit

1005
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 7: and stop the bleeding quite a bit. But you're not

1006
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 7: wrong and how you frame this, Brownie, this is a

1007
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 7: gigantic hit and more loss for them from a financial

1008
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 7: perspective to go along with certainly the Deshaun Watson mess

1009
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 7: that they've been and out for the better part of

1010
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 7: three years.

1011
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 3: It really doesn't make a difference either. Now that the

1012
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: cap might be as high as two hundred and eighty

1013
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 3: one and a half million, I mean, that's just you know,

1014
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 3: it just makes it. It might squeeze off an extra

1015
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: what five or eight million bucks that they didn't think

1016
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 3: they were going to have on their cap. It does

1017
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 3: lessen the blow a little bit that way, But still

1018
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: the dead money's dead money.

1019
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, it's bonus that's been paid out. There's nothing

1020
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 7: they can do about it. But you're right, that does

1021
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 7: help because if this is going to be they take

1022
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 7: your medicine year, it won't be because next year it

1023
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 7: will be for DeShawn. So if this is going to

1024
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 7: be part of it this year, for what they're going

1025
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 7: to do, you know, you can sort of sleep better

1026
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 7: knowing you've got four top one hundred draft picks that

1027
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 7: are completely going to change the course of your financial

1028
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 7: situation over the next four to five seasons, which is

1029
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 7: the right process for the Browns to be in right now,

1030
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 7: which is why I think so many people believe this

1031
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 7: actually gets done despite these numbers we're thrown out there

1032
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 7: right now.

1033
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: And as Steve mentioned, you know with the memo going

1034
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 2: out that the CAP's going to go up between twenty

1035
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: two and twenty six million this year. It's anticipated that

1036
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 2: the cap, with the media streaming deals coming down the

1037
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: pike in the not too distant future, they're going to

1038
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: drive the cap up even further and maybe at an

1039
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 2: even higher rate than we're already seeing. So my question

1040
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 2: to you is this, Mike, do you believe that affords

1041
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: the Bills and other clubs maybe to be more aggressive

1042
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 2: in going after more high priced star players, backload those

1043
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: contracts knowing the CAP's going to be astronomical few years

1044
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: and it's less likely to put them in cap jail

1045
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: for lack of a better term.

1046
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 7: Look, the cap rising, the numbers you're spewing out there,

1047
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 7: which are correct, right, the gambling money, the streaming money,

1048
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 7: it's not going away. Indefinitely, and the fact that the

1049
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 7: Philadelphia Eagles just won the Super Bowl maybe the most

1050
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 7: aggressive cap team of the past ten to fifteen years.

1051
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 7: I think all those things collectively combined mean yes, mean

1052
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 7: Detroit and Buffalo, and to a certain degree, Kansas City,

1053
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 7: even though they've been a little bit more paused with

1054
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 7: what they've done, are going to have to probably ram

1055
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 7: things up a little bit more than they're used to,

1056
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 7: than they're comfortable with, especially when it comes to players

1057
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 7: like this. Like I said, this is not a unique

1058
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 7: situation that we see every single offseason. This is maybe

1059
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 7: a one of one on the defensive line. But you know,

1060
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,959
Speaker 7: we've seen it happen with quarterbacks. We've seen it happen

1061
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 7: for some weapons, and I think there are times in

1062
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 7: places where the league can value out.

1063
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 3: This is one of those times, you know what I mean.

1064
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 7: The Bills that are affording themselves million extra then they

1065
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 7: had a week ago, maybe six, maybe ten days ago.

1066
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 7: This is the type of player you're uberly aggressive foreign

1067
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 7: you don't even think twice about it.

1068
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 3: How do you anticipate the Bills getting cap compliant?

1069
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 7: Well, it's gonna have to be a little bit of pain,

1070
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 7: you know, there's six or seven legitimate contract extension candidates.

1071
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 7: I'd expect that's where the majority of the work is done,

1072
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 7: is just adding two to three years to a lot

1073
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 7: of these contracts, whether that's James Cook, whether that's Christian Benford.

1074
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 7: Maybe something significant happens with Josh Allen over the next

1075
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 7: couple of weeks here. I know something will happen because

1076
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 7: he's only owed fourteen and a half million dollars cash.

1077
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 7: So something will happen, but to the significance of a

1078
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 7: brand new contract. Will wait and see. So that's plan

1079
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 7: A is extend some players, lower some capits that way,

1080
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 7: and then you get into the mess of cap casualties

1081
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 7: and some salary conversions, which you know where last year

1082
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 7: this time I was on with you guys, we had

1083
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 7: a laundry list maybe a dozen players of legitimate cap casualty,

1084
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 7: most of which ended up coming to fruition. As you know,

1085
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 7: this year, it's much more tempered, right, it's going to

1086
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 7: be maybe he's even von Miller. I think the preeminent

1087
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 7: cap casualty cannady here for Buffalo is a maybe. Because

1088
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 7: if he's willing to do what he did last year

1089
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 7: with a renegotiation and then centim based contract. I think

1090
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 7: everybody's willing to play ball with that to a certain degree.

1091
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 7: So he's certainly the top of the list. Daykmon Jones

1092
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 7: thirty four years old this upcoming season almost nine and

1093
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 7: a half against the cap. He's certainly on this list,

1094
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 7: even though he can still produce at some decent level here.

1095
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 7: And then you start to get interesting, right you start

1096
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 7: to talk about players like Taylor Rapp who have injury histories,

1097
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 7: and even in Epanessa who has a slight guarantee in

1098
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five. But you know where this team wants

1099
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 7: to get younger and cheaper over the course of the

1100
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 7: next two offseasons, so you can start to sort of

1101
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 7: play some games there. And then Mitchell Trubisky, the backup quarterback,

1102
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 7: who I think is on a very reasonable backup quarterback contract,

1103
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 7: and it's certainly a position of need obviously for the Bills,

1104
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 7: but if you want to get you know fit, you know,

1105
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 7: funny with three and a half million dollars there, that's

1106
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 7: a contract you can move on from and then replace

1107
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 7: it quickly in the offseason.

1108
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: What do you do with contracts with valued locker room

1109
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,479
Speaker 2: leaders like Dawson Knox and Matt Milano, who have high

1110
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 2: cap figures, probably not in line with what they provide

1111
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: the team in terms of production. I mean not to

1112
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: I love Dawson Knox as much as the next guy,

1113
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: but it's hard to justify fourteen point three million for

1114
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: twenty eight receptions. I know he does more than that,

1115
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: And look, we heard coach McDermott and Brandon Bean speak

1116
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: glowingly about what Knox means to that locker room. So

1117
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: how do you restructure those to make them a little

1118
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: bit more acceptable.

1119
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, Unfortunately, almost all of his nine million dollars salaries

1120
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 7: fully guaranteed in terms of Dawson Knox here, So when

1121
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 7: he extended out his contract for some cap purposes last offseason,

1122
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 7: it was with the idea that twenty twenty five was

1123
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 7: going to be in play, and I still believe that's

1124
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 7: the case. I don't think he's a trade candidate, which

1125
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 7: would certainly free up the most cap at the end

1126
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 7: of the day here. But this is one of those

1127
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 7: aggressive moves that I don't think Brandon Bean makes two

1128
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 7: years ago, but makes it now, which is you just

1129
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 7: take the eight and a half that's guaranteed, you make

1130
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 7: it a signing bonus. You utilize the void years you

1131
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 7: have on the contract already and you lower this cap

1132
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 7: it and sort of take your medicine with it. And

1133
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 7: I'd say the same with Milano, knowing that the injuries

1134
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 7: are sort of annual.

1135
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 3: At this point in time.

1136
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 7: But you're right, this is just one of those situations

1137
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 7: where he's guaranteed in twenty twenty five. You know what

1138
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 7: he brings even when he's not on the field, And

1139
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 7: from a cap perspective, you just have to take care

1140
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 7: of the roster as a whole and lower these things

1141
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 7: with a conversion or two here and there. So it's

1142
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 7: not going to be as aggressive as last year. These

1143
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 7: are probably moves that Brandon Bean doesn't make on a

1144
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 7: regular basis. But this is not a regular offseason for

1145
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 7: the Bills. This is an offseason of aggressiveness, maybe over

1146
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 7: aggressiveness in a lot of areas, because this is one

1147
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 7: of the top three Super Bowl contenders seating it in

1148
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five.

1149
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you bring up a good point because there are

1150
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 3: those who who respond to us, interact with us on

1151
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 3: the show about it. Listen, listen. They're saying it's time

1152
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 3: to push all your chips to the to the middle

1153
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 3: of the table. You've been you know, this far away

1154
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 3: for five years. You haven't been able to get over

1155
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 3: the hump. Yeah, on and on and on and on.

1156
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 3: It's time to go for it. Well, the reason they

1157
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 3: are where they are is because they have a way

1158
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 3: of doing business and getting a shot at it every

1159
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 3: single year. You've got number seventeen Josh here, and they

1160
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 3: went further than they've gone in the last couple of

1161
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 3: years with a rebuild roster. Right, So what's to keep

1162
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,959
Speaker 3: them from pushing their chips to the table and going

1163
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 3: in with for some talent or keep on like they

1164
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 3: have been, knowing they're going to have a shot at

1165
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 3: it at the end of it. Anyway, just keep on

1166
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 3: the way they've been going. What's what's your take on

1167
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 3: pushing your chips to the middle of the table or

1168
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 3: do what has got you this far?

1169
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 7: Except there's two ways to look at it, and maybe

1170
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 7: only from my perspective because I live in this weird,

1171
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 7: you know, numbers world. But the pushing your chips and

1172
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 7: can be you love your players enough that you're willing

1173
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 7: to convert some salaries and take some dead cap down

1174
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 7: the road, right, that's that's step one, and it seems easy,

1175
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 7: but it's not right. You've got teams right now who

1176
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 7: are literally in purgatory right now because they've been doing

1177
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 7: that for years and years and years, and they're not

1178
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,919
Speaker 7: Super Bowl contenders, right, so the Bills are. That's That's

1179
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 7: one side of it is you're just gonna do the

1180
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 7: knocks and the Milana move because it's the time and

1181
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 7: it's the contention and window to do it. The other

1182
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 7: aggressiveness is you go out to free agency and maybe

1183
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 7: you're reckless in some areas, right to some degree, that

1184
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 7: von Miller signing was a bit reckless. That's kind of

1185
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 7: the move that the fans are always looking for, right,

1186
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 7: is that splashy you're beating out big teams to get

1187
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 7: the guy in your door.

1188
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 3: I still don't think that's what.

1189
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 7: This organization is, right, even even with the pedigree that

1190
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 7: they have, and I just think they've been able to

1191
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 7: draft fairly well. There's been some misses for sure, especially

1192
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 7: in the first round, but you know, the top one

1193
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 7: hundred draft picks have kept this thing afloat, especially in

1194
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 7: twenty twenty four, right when there was so much subtraction.

1195
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 7: In March and April, and you knew that guys had

1196
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 7: to step into roles that they maybe weren't ready for.

1197
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 7: So I think they trust enough of their balance to

1198
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 7: not have to go and swing gigantically in free agency.

1199
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 7: With that said, there's going to be a player or

1200
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 7: two that they have on a board somewhere that they

1201
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 7: will simply not get out bid for, and I believe

1202
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 7: that that is what they're looking at, whether that's the

1203
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 7: acquisition of a player like Garrett or maybe you know

1204
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 7: Max Crosby if he gets in the fold, or if

1205
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 7: it's a bigger weapon, right, a singular weapon that isn't

1206
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 7: going to ruffle too many feathers, like a dk Mechav

1207
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 7: out of Seattle or to some degree a Deebo Samuel

1208
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 7: type player who I think both are probably on the

1209
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 7: block slash falling off rosters here in the next couple

1210
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 7: of weeks. So there's options, but they aren't traditional Brandon

1211
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 7: Bean options. So whether he's willing to step out of

1212
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 7: his element for one of these moves remains be seen,

1213
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 7: but this is certainly the offseason to do that move.

1214
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 2: James Cook put it out there on his social media

1215
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: before removing at all that he'll be looking for fifteen

1216
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: million a year on an extension. This is clearly posturing

1217
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 2: by him and his agent. I mean, knowing that Saquon

1218
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: Barkley's deal averaged a bit over twelve million a year,

1219
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs gets a one year twelve million dollar deal

1220
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 2: from Green Bay, and both of those players logged about

1221
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: one hundred more carries than James Cook did. Who is

1222
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: likely to see Ray Davis and Ty Johnson continue in

1223
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 2: supporting roles to take the load off of him Cook?

1224
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 2: It best is looking at what ten and a half

1225
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 2: twelve tops on average annual value on an extension here, right, That's.

1226
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 7: What the math says, right, And by the way, I

1227
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 7: just love that he threw a number out there. Can

1228
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 7: we get so little of that that we get to

1229
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 7: actually play off an actual number instead of just sort

1230
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 7: of guessing at it. But you're not wrong. You know

1231
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 7: that the stats don't lie, the production, the snaps don't lie.

1232
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 7: He's obviously proved that he's got some value to this

1233
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 7: offense and some value to a Josh Allen run offense

1234
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 7: as well. So the timings great. You mentioned the Barkley,

1235
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 7: you know, the Henry, the Josh Jacobs. We just had

1236
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 7: a gigantic off season of back money, and he's kind

1237
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 7: of the lone wolf now to capitalize on whatever the

1238
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 7: momentum we have this coming off season. Right, there's not

1239
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 7: really another running back out there in a position for

1240
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 7: an extension or really a free agent splashy contract, So

1241
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 7: he's he's calling a shot at the right time.

1242
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 3: Let's put it that way.

1243
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 7: In the NFL, can you make a fifteen million dollars

1244
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 7: per year contract actually look like at twelve?

1245
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1246
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 7: You can, right, you can. There's a lot of funny

1247
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 7: money and stuff that gets built into these things. Sakuon

1248
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 7: Barkley is not even a twelve million per year guaranteed

1249
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 7: running back at the end of the day, and a

1250
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 7: lot of what he's going to do is have to

1251
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 7: be incentive based. So you take that as a model.

1252
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 7: You build in what you need to build in at

1253
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 7: the end of the day. Is he guaranteed twenty million

1254
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 7: over the next two years. That's probably enough, and then

1255
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 7: you build in some escalators and things like that that

1256
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 7: he can earn based on his production or maybe a

1257
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 7: higher snapcount going forward. But I just love that we

1258
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 7: have this fifteen million per year to work off of

1259
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 7: because it's Look, it's not crazy, right. The cap just

1260
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 7: went up twenty two percent, twenty two million dollars nine

1261
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 7: to ten percent, So anything that happened last year is

1262
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 7: on a nine percent increase this year. That's just how

1263
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 7: a lot of these agents and players are going to

1264
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 7: be looking at it. And he's not incorrect to say

1265
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 7: something like that.

1266
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 3: So one of the most intriguing teams this offseason is

1267
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 3: going to be the Cincinnati Bengals. They paid Joe Burrow,

1268
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 3: they got him under contract, Jamar Chase t Higgins, pass rusher,

1269
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson, and when people brought up Miles Garrett, I thought, yeah,

1270
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson is a better candidate to get traded than

1271
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett is. And so is Max Crosby. Although I

1272
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 3: don't think Pete Carroll's going to sign up for taking

1273
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 3: a step backwards in Vegas at seventy three years old.

1274
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 3: But those two, that's kind of those guys seem more

1275
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 3: likely than Miles Garrett. How do you think Cincinnati handles

1276
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 3: the t Higgins, Jamar Chase, Trey Hendrickson scenario this offseason? Not? Well,

1277
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 3: this is not their area of expertise. Let's put it

1278
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 3: that way.

1279
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 7: They kind of like the slow play things they always have,

1280
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,439
Speaker 7: and it's to some degree it's to their credit. They've

1281
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 7: been sort of slowly building this thing back up after

1282
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 7: a bunch of years, kind of impurgatory than themselves. But

1283
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 7: you know, the guaranteed portion of their contracts have never

1284
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 7: been overwhelming, Let's put it that way. And unfortunately that's

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Speaker 7: all that matters right now, and we'll see what happens. Certainly,

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Speaker 7: the second tag rumors for t Higgins is a good

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Speaker 7: start because that at least buys them time to at

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Speaker 7: least understand what they have there and or make a

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Speaker 7: splashy trade and get some draft compensation back to sort

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Speaker 7: of replenish some other positions financially. That will help offset

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Speaker 7: what they're about to do, which is, in my opinion,

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Speaker 7: Jamar Chase has to sign the next highest non quarterback

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Speaker 7: contract in the history of football. That's just what he's

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Speaker 7: done for two and a half three seasons now, and

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01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 7: there's really no getting around that. So when you start

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Speaker 7: talking about one hundred hundred and ten million guaranteed that

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Speaker 7: justin Jefferson just locked in. That's what we're talking about

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Speaker 7: for Chase, and Henderson has just been a machine. I mean,

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Speaker 7: there's no mathematical equation that can downplay with Trey Hendrickson means,

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Speaker 7: even at his age, even at his growing you know,

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Speaker 7: almost thirty years old age here. So you're gonna have

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Speaker 7: to be smart about how you do this. You know

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01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 7: a lot there's a lot of people, a lot of

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01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 7: front offices that are looking at this saying how did

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Speaker 7: you ever let it get to this point where all

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Speaker 7: of these players at one time need the contract. You've

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01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 7: got to be able to stagger this so that you're

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Speaker 7: doing this, you know, one at a time every offseason.

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Speaker 7: But it's what you're talking about here is if you're

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Speaker 7: trying to keep all on multi year contracts, you're talking

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Speaker 7: about close to three hundred million dollars guaranteed at signing

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Speaker 7: money that has to go into an escro account immediately.

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Speaker 7: And that's just an absurd thing to think that the

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Speaker 7: Cincinnati Bengals will be doing over the next two months.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you touched on and last one for me here, Mike.

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Speaker 2: You touched on extensions for you know, Benford, maybe Cook

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Speaker 2: gets one as well. But there's more to this young

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Speaker 2: core than just those two guys. To Rell Bernard, Greg

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01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 2: Russo Khalil Shakir. These are guys that are all in

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Speaker 2: line for second contracts here. Otherwise the Bills could be

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01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,799
Speaker 2: in a similar position that the Bengals find themselves, albeit

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01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 2: without top of the market elite players. So who do

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01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: you believe makes the most fiscal sense for the Bills

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 2: to lock up based on call lost end position? Benford,

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01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 2: Bernard Cook, Russeau Shakir.

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Speaker 7: It's a really tough call on You're right, the Bills

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01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 7: are sort of headed towards a similar situation that they're

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Speaker 7: going to have to use that staggered approach with Believe

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Speaker 7: it or not, My ANSWER's Cook, And here's why. I

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Speaker 7: think it's the absolute right time A to keep him happy, right,

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Speaker 7: But b he's young, he's relatively inexpensive. He did just

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Speaker 7: get a basically a three million dollar raise with his

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01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 7: performance bonus on the rookie contract, so you know, you

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01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 7: can actually move around some cap situations with his extension

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Speaker 7: as well. But I think it's the right time to

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Speaker 7: put a two year guarantee on your running back. You

1337
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 7: know what you have with Ray Davis, that's probably going

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01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 7: to be a growing situation, and then you'll have two

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01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 7: years of Ray Davis at basically cost and value after

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Speaker 7: you have to move on from James Cook maybe in

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01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 7: the twenty twenty seven season. So it's a situation. Not

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01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 7: a lot of james will get themselves into ever paying

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Speaker 7: the running back, especially when you have the quarterback money

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 7: that you have going forward here. But that's my number

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01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 7: one is I would lock in James Cook to two

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01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 7: guarantee at around that twenty million dollar mark, twenty one

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Speaker 7: million mark, and then I'm probably looking at Benford because

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01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 7: it's just one of those positions you can't replace quickly

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01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 7: and easily. I know there's injury concern, I know there's

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01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,799
Speaker 7: the concussion situation hanging over them now unfortunately, but another

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Speaker 7: one that the age is right, it's twenty four going

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01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 7: on twenty five. You lock them into two and a

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01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 7: half years guaranteed and you hope for the best because

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01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,600
Speaker 7: that's just a position of importance that I'm not going

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01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 7: to easily go and replace even in the next couple

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Speaker 7: of drafts here.

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Speaker 3: Perfect Mike, Thanks thanks for spending some time with It's

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01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 3: always interesting, and now with this cap jumping the way

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01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 3: it has, I think it's gonna be a lot more

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01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 3: fun this offseason for all these teams my pleasure.

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Speaker 7: Guys always appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: That's Mike Janitdi, founder and managing editor of spot track

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Speaker 2: dot Com. We'll take a break here, get back to

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Speaker 2: your phone calls, where we'll lead off with Jeff in Rochester.

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Speaker 2: When we return here, All one Bills Live presented by

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Speaker 2: Kill Out of Health it s Buffalo Bill's Radio. Got

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Speaker 2: to get right back to the phone and Teo're on

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live at eight O three oh five fifty

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Speaker 2: one eighty eight five fifty two five fifty. We do

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Speaker 2: have open lines for you. Is we're talking with you

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Speaker 2: today about how the Bill should balance filling their roster

1372
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 2: holes this offseason. Maybe you're leaning heavier towards free agency

1373
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 2: because you want ready to play veterans to get this

1374
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: team over the hump. Maybe you want to go draft

1375
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 2: because you think the team needs to get younger and

1376
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 2: more athletic and add more speed to the roster. You

1377
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 2: tell us where you fall in that debate. Eight O

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Speaker 2: three oh five fifty one eighty eight five fifty two

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Speaker 2: five point fifty. As promised, we leave this segment off

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Speaker 2: with Jeff in Rochester. What do you got for us?

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Speaker 3: Jeff?

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Speaker 8: Thank you so much, I want to talk about the

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01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 8: salary cap because it feels like we're planned by a

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Speaker 8: different set of rules than the people that go to

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Speaker 8: the Super Bowl. And what I mean by that, like

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01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 8: the last five Super Bowl Tampa, kc, LA, Rams, Silly

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Speaker 8: this year went over and above the salary cap by

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01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,560
Speaker 8: you know, one hundreds tens of millions of dollars. We

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Speaker 8: always stay in the salary cap. So I think in

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Speaker 8: the window of Josh Allen right now, we do whatever

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Speaker 8: it takes to get Hutchinson, Max Crosby or Miles Garrett

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Speaker 8: and then go above and beyond that as well, because

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Speaker 8: that's the formula to win a Super Bowl. I think

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01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 8: the last five years we just got to go all

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01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 8: in and however you do it, you structure on the

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Speaker 8: back end or whatever. And I think that's what Steve

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01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 8: was alluding to when asking the cap expert, this is

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Speaker 8: the time to go all in. And I just think

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Speaker 8: based on last five Super bowls LA went crazy above

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Speaker 8: the cap when they want it, Philly did this year.

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Speaker 8: And I think if we got one of those major

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01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 8: defensive ends, that would be and then we get if

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01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 8: he's still available, Harvey from Florida on the draft.

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Speaker 6: That would be amazing.

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Speaker 8: What do you guys think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not opposed to it. I mean, that's kind

1407
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 2: of why I asked Jannitti that question too. Steve followed

1408
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 2: up and because I initially asked him, Hey, look, you

1409
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,879
Speaker 2: got these streaming deals coming down the pike to inflate

1410
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 2: you know, the cap increases I think even more than

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01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,719
Speaker 2: what we saw this year in just a couple of years.

1412
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 2: The gambling money that's coming in. I mean, what was

1413
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 2: it thirteen point seven billion, Steve taken home by the

1414
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:17,799
Speaker 2: gambling outfits in this past calendar year across the country.

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01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: That's an exorbitant number, and the NFL is getting a

1416
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 2: cut of that through sponsorship revenue. So I think if

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01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 2: you forecasted properly and you have proper analytics people gauging

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01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 2: where the cap is headed, you're gonna quickly come to

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01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 2: the determination that you can probably be a little bit

1420
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 2: more aggressive backload some deals that come do when the

1421
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 2: cap does go up exorbitantly, So maybe you can be

1422
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 2: more aggressive. I think we're in a position now where

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01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 2: that can happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say this though, I mean for the cap

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01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 3: for the year twenty twenty five, the Bills. I mean

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01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 3: they're theirs. Their cash out is two hundred nine eighty

1427
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 3: five million right now. I mean that that's not the cap.

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01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:05,759
Speaker 3: That's how much they spent in cash.

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01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Bills. Yeah, it's a counter Jeff's point.

1430
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 2: He says, Oh, the Bills don't spend.

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01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 3: The Bills are over the cab.

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01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 2: They spend usually in the top eight teams in the

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01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 2: league in terms of cash spending cap might be different.

1434
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're how you work the cap is one thing,

1435
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 3: but the cash out there you get because some of

1436
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 3: this can be deferred. As we all know, the Bills

1437
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 3: are top five in the league and spending every year.

1438
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 3: I mean they're they're what I just looked at and

1439
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 3: on spot track where Mike Janetti is, the Bills spent.

1440
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 3: The Bills spent two hundred and ninety five million bucks

1441
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 3: in cash last year, which is way over the cap.

1442
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 3: So if you don't think they're putting their money where

1443
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 3: their mouth is, yeah, that they are. The problem is

1444
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, way, it doesn't. It does matter because

1445
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 3: it limits you. But the crux of the equation isn't

1446
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 3: the money you spend, it's what you spend the money on.

1447
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:05,879
Speaker 3: You gotta pick players. You can't miss on first rounders,

1448
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 3: you can't miss on second rounders, you can't miss on

1449
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 3: a bunch of third rounders. It's great that the Bills

1450
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 3: have gotten third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh rounders UFAs who

1451
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 3: have come in out of nowhere and played extremely well. Yeah,

1452
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 3: but you gotta get value for those draft picks as well.

1453
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 3: It's all about picking players, and then after you pick

1454
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 3: the right players, then fit them under the cap, find

1455
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 3: a way. But that's always what it's about. It's finding

1456
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 3: the right players. You can always if you've got the

1457
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 3: right players, you can spend as much money as you

1458
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 3: want to fit them under the cap for that year.

1459
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 3: But you got to you gotta find the right players.

1460
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 3: That's all there is to it. That's why this draft,

1461
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 3: that's why this free agent market, that's why it's all important.

1462
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 3: You gotta find players that are better than the ones

1463
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:51,919
Speaker 3: you had last year when he went to NFC Championship.

1464
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 3: You gotta find better guys. It's hard to do. You

1465
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 3: can fit them under the cap, sure, because you'll get

1466
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 3: guys like Josh and you go down the list, all

1467
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 3: these guys, Milano, all of them, all of them will

1468
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 3: will take it, you know, will help you with the cap.

1469
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 3: I mean, you're not taking money out of their pocket.

1470
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 3: You're just pushing the cap number down the road. They'll

1471
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 3: all take their money later. But you gotta get the

1472
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 3: right guys, you know, Josh Vaughn, at Oliver, Dion Dawkins,

1473
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 3: Matt Mlano, Dawson Knox, Greg Russaud, Kwon, Jones, Connor, all

1474
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 3: these guys will help you with the cap. It's never

1475
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 3: it's not. The cap is what. You gotta fit the

1476
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 3: best players under you Gotta find the best players first

1477
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 3: and foremost. That's the problem. It's not the cap. The

1478
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: problem with the is finding the good players. That's the problem.

1479
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 2: But right, But the point I think that Jeff and

1480
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to make here is you know there are

1481
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 2: you know who the good players are. Some are more

1482
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 2: available than others. And maybe now is the time to

1483
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 2: be more aggressive, spend a little bit more on a

1484
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 2: big money player because the cap in successive years will

1485
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 2: be in a place where you can stomach some of

1486
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 2: those larger salary numbers because the CAP's going up exponentially

1487
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 2: every year. So be aggressive now because you're forecasting seismic

1488
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 2: jumps in the cap in the next few years, so

1489
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 2: be more aggressive than you've been.

1490
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 3: We thought that the cap was gonna be where Brownie

1491
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 3: two fifty six.

1492
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 2: No, I think two sixty five to seventy.

1493
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 3: He got an extra ten million bucks to work with. Yeah,

1494
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 3: let's say let's say ten million bucks. Okay, that's that's

1495
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 3: easier to fit it under.

1496
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm not talking about this year. I'm

1497
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 2: talking about twenty twenty eight, twenty twenty nine. Because you

1498
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 2: get Miles Garrett in a trade, now you have to

1499
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,759
Speaker 2: sign him to an extension. You can backload the money

1500
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 2: he's getting paid thirty eight million in twenty twenty eight.

1501
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter because the Caps three fifty.

1502
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 3: Well you know what I mean, in twenty twenty eight,

1503
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 3: like three six, at seven ten, you'll have fifteen guys

1504
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 3: on this year's roster. Fifteen of the sixty guys on

1505
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 3: their contract, you got fifteen of them day. So you're

1506
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,560
Speaker 3: telling me he's a guy you so high. Yeah, but

1507
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 3: that doesn't matter. You're gonna have to find You're gonna

1508
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 3: have an entirely new roster anyway. That's the way it works,

1509
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 3: I know.

1510
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 2: But I'm saying fat numbers. I'll only be sat half

1511
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 2: of a contract. I don't want to matter as much.

1512
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 3: I don't want to be ESPN here and just have

1513
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 3: this this yelling debate. You don't do it any different

1514
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 3: than you've been doing it. You're the team that has

1515
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 3: won five straight division titles, have won more games than

1516
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 3: any other franchise save the one that you're trying to

1517
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 3: get past. You're the team that in a rebuild year

1518
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 3: went to the championship game and got messed by a

1519
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 3: spot of the ball. You don't do anything different. And

1520
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 3: I get all these these people out there that are

1521
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 3: so smug, they go, oh, you do the same thing

1522
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 3: and expect different results. That's stupid, that's stupid. You're not

1523
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 3: doing this. Doing this doing the business the right way

1524
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 3: is the right way to do business.

1525
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: Right.

1526
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 3: There's seven million things out there that you can't control.

1527
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 3: You do it for the right reasons and the right way.

1528
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 3: Everything else changes around you. So you're not doing You're

1529
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 3: not expecting the same results or different results doing the

1530
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 3: same thing. Everything changes all the time. You've got to

1531
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 3: do it the way it's gonna work all the time,

1532
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 3: not once in a lifetime, all the time. You've had

1533
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 3: six shots at this thing better than anybody of any

1534
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 3: other team in the league. And now you're gonna change it.

1535
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 3: That's stupid. That's not stupid.

1536
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 2: I'm not saying to change it. I'm saying, because of

1537
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 2: the dynamics of the league and where the cap is going,

1538
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 2: you can deviate from the same way you've been doing

1539
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 2: it the last several years and do a little bit

1540
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:07,560
Speaker 2: extra now because where the cap is going affords you

1541
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 2: the opportunity to be just a little bit more aggressive,

1542
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 2: and by being a little bit more aggressive, you might

1543
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 2: put yourself in a position to finally get over the hump.

1544
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm not saying. I'm not saying to throw out the

1545
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 2: baby with the bath water here, and I'm not saying, hey,

1546
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 2: with the way Brandon Bean is doing it isn't getting

1547
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 2: the job done. They're right there. I completely agree with you.

1548
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, with the way the CAP's going up exponentially,

1549
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: I think you can get ahead of the curve here

1550
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 2: and do a little bit more, be a little bit

1551
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 2: more aggressive.

1552
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 3: Difference, that's you being in a casino and putting more

1553
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 3: money on a bet that's the exact same bet that

1554
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 3: you do.

1555
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,879
Speaker 2: Because what you should look Sean.

1556
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 3: That's for people who don't know how to do it

1557
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 3: right the first time. You're you're getting benefit now from

1558
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 3: the cap going up. That use the benefit now, well,

1559
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 3: you don't have to like, yeah, you have to you No, No,

1560
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 3: you're not saying that. You're saying, do more than you

1561
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 3: would have been doing. Do it exactly a little bit

1562
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 3: more aggress the league. No, that means you're smarter because

1563
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 3: you got the money now, and a team like like

1564
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 3: New Orleans, they're still stuck, like Cleveland, they're still stuck.

1565
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 3: Cleveland is getting all this cash, they're getting twenty ten,

1566
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 3: well the ten we thought about, they're getting the ten

1567
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 3: extra million dollars in cap space. They're still stuck with

1568
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 3: a thirty six million dollar, two hundred and thirty six

1569
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 3: million dollar guaranteed contract to a quarterback. You can't play.

1570
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 3: They're still stuck. And that's where you're gonna get if

1571
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 3: you start doing it different. You can't. No, no, you're

1572
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 3: better than everybody else already.

1573
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 2: Well not everybody, because you haven't won the whole thing yet.

1574
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,799
Speaker 3: That's because it's there's five million things you can't control,

1575
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 3: and one of those things being a two officials who

1576
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 3: can't spot a ball.

1577
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 5: Do it to you.

1578
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 3: That's that's what's gonna happen to all thirty one teams, Brownie.

1579
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 2: That's right. So get the talent that overcomes those officials

1580
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 2: calls like and I know Philly's gonna be used as

1581
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 2: an example time and time and time again. But they

1582
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 2: have a list players on their roster. To their credit,

1583
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 2: they've drafted a handful of them, but they've also traded

1584
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 2: for a couple. Aj Brown signed them to big money deals,

1585
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 2: you know, and so and they and they acquire and

1586
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 2: sign Saquon Barkley. So I'm just saying by being a

1587
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 2: little bit more aggressive and getting the two to three

1588
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 2: elite players on each side of the ball that Sean

1589
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 2: McDermott himself said teams need to have to really have

1590
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,600
Speaker 2: a chance at winning the whole thing. I think with

1591
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 2: the cap going up exponentially, it opens the door to

1592
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 2: spend that kind of money and get.

1593
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 3: Those years where here's where our disagreement is. The cap

1594
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 3: went up what say what twenty percent? He said, of

1595
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 3: what ten percent went about eleven percent? The cap goes up,

1596
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 3: you can be eleven percent more aggressive, not fifty.

1597
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ten. Well that's what I said. What did

1598
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 2: I say a little bit more aggressive. So maybe the years.

1599
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 3: Past that does different decisions. You just have eleven percent

1600
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 3: more assets to work with.

1601
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what I'm saying is, whereas last year, if

1602
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett's available and he wants to sign a contract

1603
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 2: for one hundred and eighty million dollars over five years,

1604
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 2: and you balk at that because you're like, well, you know,

1605
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 2: it's a little too rich for our blood. We're gonna

1606
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 2: get in trouble in three years. You're not getting in

1607
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 2: trouble in three years anymore, because the CAP's gonna be

1608
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty million dollars.

1609
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna and Miles Garrett's gonna be playing with

1610
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 3: Billy Bag of Donuts and Tommy Schmeg mahoyten No, he's

1611
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 3: not afford Yeah, but his cap hits sixty million, so yo.

1612
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 3: So now the CAP's right back to two hundred and

1613
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 3: fifty and you're in cap jail. You're in cap jail.

1614
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think you would be in

1615
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 2: cap jail the same way we see teams in cap jail.

1616
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 3: Now, that's exactly how they get into cap jail. Ah No,

1617
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 3: we'll redo it then, will it'll never happen to us.

1618
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 3: It's always somebody else. That's exactly how you get in

1619
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 3: cap jail, Brownie.

1620
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 2: I'm saying that the salaries right now are not keeping

1621
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 2: up with where the cap is going. So you take

1622
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 2: advantage of it now before those cap increases hit and

1623
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 2: the space is created already for you.

1624
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 3: Being Thereney, there ain't gonna be no space because every

1625
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 3: contract you signed between now and then is gonna be

1626
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 3: under the new numbers. They're all gonna get bigger. You're

1627
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 3: gonna be paying a punter six million bucks a year

1628
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 3: now you're now, you're done. It's the same thing the

1629
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 3: cap shrinks because you got the same number of guys

1630
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 3: getting a and the guys who don't have it now

1631
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 3: are gonna get it. The punter that the.

1632
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 2: Listen punter is probably not the best example.

1633
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 3: The franchise number for a punter right now placekicker punter

1634
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 3: is six point two million. It'll be ten next year,

1635
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 3: it'll be ten. The year after that's gonna be fifteen.

1636
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 3: That's what a corner's making now, you know what I'm saying.

1637
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 2: That's that's based on what what punter's signed for. An't

1638
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 2: gonna franchise million this year.

1639
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:33,719
Speaker 3: That's the franchise tag.

1640
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,520
Speaker 2: That's which is the average of the top ten salaries.

1641
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 2: Nobody's paying ten guys eight million dollars to punt the deep.

1642
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 3: Yet they will in in three years they will. Yeah,

1643
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 3: but you've.

1644
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 2: Already got the contract signed this year on Garrett for

1645
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 2: a four year deal.

1646
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 3: That's what you're forgetting, Brownie. When you sign these guys, Yeah,

1647
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 3: it's gonna be great. In five years. The fifty three

1648
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 3: guys that are on your cap are gonna be filling

1649
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 3: your cap. You're not gonna not sign a guy because

1650
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 3: he's gonna say, hey, you got room to spare, give

1651
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 3: me the money. That's the way it works. You're gonna

1652
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 3: the rest of the roster gets more money when the

1653
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 3: cap is bigger. You're talking, there's no way that you

1654
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 3: should be doing things different than you've been doing them

1655
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 3: exactly like you have been, because now because you're you're

1656
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 3: gonna be right at the cap every year and maybe

1657
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 3: spend a little more on different years because the guys

1658
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 3: that you got, like I said, there's only gonna be

1659
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 3: ten guys from this roster in three years, and all

1660
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 3: the new guys that you signed between now and then

1661
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,679
Speaker 3: are gonna get twenty percent more than the guy they replaced,

1662
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 3: and this guy's gonna get thirty percent more than the

1663
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 3: guy he replaced. There's not gonna be any more room.

1664
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 3: That's the way it works.

1665
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't go thirty percent. Though thirty percent is an

1666
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:46,759
Speaker 2: enormous figure.

1667
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 3: You get my point. The point is still use.

1668
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 2: I'll use the von Miller contract as an example of

1669
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 2: where we'll be in three years because they signed him in.

1670
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 3: Which guy's gonna take an eight million dollar haircut? Which

1671
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 3: of those guys gonna take an eight million Nobody Vaughn

1672
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 3: is one.

1673
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 6: Of Von.

1674
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,719
Speaker 2: Right, Well, you don't know that, but I'm just saying

1675
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 2: that they did that back then for one hundred and

1676
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars, and they managed it under a cap

1677
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 2: that went that was just off the heels of going backwards.

1678
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 2: And here we are three years later, and yes, he

1679
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 2: took a haircut and he renegotiated, but they worked it out.

1680
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 2: And my point is the CAP's going to be going

1681
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 2: up even more year over year, which affords you even

1682
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 2: more wiggle room. I think it's more wiggle rooms, So

1683
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 2: to me, that makes it more doable.

1684
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 3: Jason or Jason Area. We got to take a break

1685
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 3: because we're about out of time. But but remember they

1686
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 3: did all that, signed Vaughan and then two years later

1687
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 3: or one year later, now it was a rebuild year.

1688
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 3: Now they maximized it. They did great, but it was

1689
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,600
Speaker 3: a rebuild year because of that. All right, we can

1690
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 3: go to break, Yeah, break time for us.

1691
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 2: We'll close it up next here on One Bill's Life.

1692
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 2: All right, back here on One of Bills Live, Chris Brown,

1693
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker. Just to make it clear, the only point

1694
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 2: I was trying to make with the Von Miller example

1695
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 2: was that Brandon Bean, when Von Miller became available, chose

1696
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more aggressive at a time

1697
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 2: where the cap wasn't going up exponentially. Now we know

1698
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:32,799
Speaker 2: the cap is going up exponentially. I think it invites

1699
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 2: him to be a little bit more aggressive.

1700
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 3: Again, exponential is a big word. It was up ten percent.

1701
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 3: So I gues it's all about picking players, and that

1702
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 3: von contract led him into a rebuild. And are they

1703
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 3: maximized and they did good, but you got to get

1704
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 3: rid of some guys.

1705
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 2: That's it for us today. We'll be back tomorrow with

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Speaker 2: Frank Schwab from Yahoo sports. We'll see him one