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Speaker 1: on the same podcast feed. On Thursday, I was joined

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Speaker 1: by I guess are our biggest guest ever on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: Keith Law of the Athletic, longtime ESPN writer before that,

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Speaker 1: someone that I'm sure all of you already follow on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: for the Marlins offseason. So we're publishing that right after

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Speaker 1: the World Series ends, and before that, we're sticking with

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Speaker 1: This is asle four of off season shopping. This is

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Speaker 1: previous part. We brought up Ryce sale Iglesias as a

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Speaker 1: guy like this, but Hater, I mean he missed. He

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Speaker 1: misses his bats at even a higher clip based on

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Speaker 1: the number of endings that he threw. Yeah. I did

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Speaker 1: mention the fly ball tendencies because a couple of years

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Speaker 1: ago he did have a home run problem. There was

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Speaker 1: even one particular game I remember against the Marlins where

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Speaker 1: it was it was startling Castro and Mayben somebody else

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Speaker 1: that both took him deep, you know, like a meaningless

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Speaker 1: game down the stretch in twenty nineteen, and he have

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Speaker 1: fifteen home runs a couple of years ago, but only

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Speaker 1: three this past year in fifty eight in two thirds endings.

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Speaker 1: That's insane when you consider that he's not really putting

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Speaker 1: guys on base in the first place, just a pure dominance.

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Speaker 1: So he's a three time All Star. He is projected

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Speaker 1: in arbitration by MLB trade rumors to go for about

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Speaker 1: ten million dollars in salary next year, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: get a pay raise on top of that in his

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Speaker 1: final year of our eligibility. Then again, we did bring

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Speaker 1: up players like Rosella Iglesias last episode, and that he'd

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Speaker 1: be even more expensive than Hater. Hater is actually a

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Speaker 1: bargain compared to that for somebody that you tie all

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Speaker 1: this stuff together, and as good as he has been,

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Speaker 1: the limitations in his role I think would allow you

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Speaker 1: to acquire him without having to give up a Max

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Speaker 1: Meyer or even though jj a Bladey, they'd have to

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Speaker 1: give up several good prospects in their system, no doubt,

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Speaker 1: and they'd have to be really one of the big

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Speaker 1: impetuses of this deal from the Brewer's perspective, is cutting

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Speaker 1: some salary. So the Marlins would have to be of

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Speaker 1: that mindset of ready to pay, you know, an eight

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Speaker 1: figure salary to a reliever, which is not something they've

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Speaker 1: shown a willingness to do yet in a handful of years.

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Speaker 1: This would be someone to make an exception for.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, we especially you mentioned Ry Silleglazi's I

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Speaker 2: think him and Hater are you know if Hater is

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Speaker 2: dangled on the trademarket and we remember it was last year,

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Speaker 2: he was almost the Dodgers were almost at a deal

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Speaker 2: in place for him. They wind up getting Corey Canabel,

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Speaker 2: but they were in serious talks of the Dodgers to

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Speaker 2: kind of further help them build a Super bowlpen, which

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Speaker 2: you know, at early times in their and there in

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Speaker 2: their run of the National League West was a was

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Speaker 2: a weakness and gradually had become a strength. I think

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Speaker 2: Hayter would have only made that even better. I mean

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Speaker 2: just imagining a bullpen of you know, Hater and Dylan

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Speaker 2: Floro and you know, just the different looks that you're

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Speaker 2: gonna be seeing, You're gonna be seeing like a righty

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Speaker 2: who's cutting the ball, and then you're gonna see ninety

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Speaker 2: seven to one hundred with a with a wipeout slider,

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Speaker 2: which Hater offers. And here also one of those rare relievers,

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Speaker 2: and that can give you the option of going multiple innings,

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Speaker 2: and especially with the way the pitchers are used nowadays,

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Speaker 2: I think that makes him that much more valuable. I

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Speaker 2: would be scared for the Brewers sake just to wonder, like,

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Speaker 2: are they just gonna wait too long to trade him

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Speaker 2: and his return is just gonna further diminish. I personally

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Speaker 2: don't know if they're even a playoff team without him,

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Speaker 2: although they won that division relatively handily in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: But he is one of the just relative to their

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Speaker 2: team because of how they win games. He is arguably,

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Speaker 2: maybe especially Yelli Struggles, is the most valuable player on

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Speaker 2: the team. I mean in that that's maybe with some hyperbole,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean he definitely would be a lot

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Speaker 2: more affordable than Freddy Peralta. I mean, ten million dollars

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Speaker 2: for reliever is nothing, essentially, especially when you're talking about

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Speaker 2: somebody of that caliber and his ability to misbats that

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Speaker 2: he does almost on a religious level. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: move to the infield real quick. And there's two guys

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Speaker 2: that I was to talk about. One comes to mind

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Speaker 2: when I think about the Marlins need to and they're

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Speaker 2: yearning that they've said kim Ing and maddeningly had kind

504
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Speaker 2: of come out and said like, yeah, like this offseason,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna try and augment this roster and make it better.

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Speaker 2: The first guy that I had in mind was somebody

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Speaker 2: who's coming off an off year. And I say that

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Speaker 2: in air quotes because even his off year is still

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Speaker 2: almost good enough to be an All Star. They just

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Speaker 2: lost their manager in Oakland. Bob Melvin is going San Diego.

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Speaker 2: News was reported last week. Matt Chapman is kind of

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Speaker 2: been a guy that Oakland has somewhat dangled out there before.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there have been some minor talks about him

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Speaker 2: in the trade market. Really, if you think about it,

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Speaker 2: we kind of have like a poor man's Matt Chapman

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Speaker 2: and Brian Anderson. You know, it's when you talk about

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Speaker 2: good defense and above average offense, but Chapman, who's also

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Speaker 2: a hit in a ballpark in Oakland that doesn't always

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Speaker 2: play well to hitter. You know he had an off

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Speaker 2: here this year. You know, had a one hundred ops

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Speaker 2: plus was essentially league average four hundred and four to

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Speaker 2: or three slug three fourteen On base he only hit

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Speaker 2: two ten, but you know, you could throw a batting

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Speaker 2: average at the window. But it's not to forget He's

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Speaker 2: still put up three and a half Baseball Reference for

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Speaker 2: this year, still played elite Gold Glove caliber defense at

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Speaker 2: third base plus ten defensive runs saved. Oakland isn't a

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Speaker 2: stranger to trading MVP caliber and infielders. They traded Josh

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Speaker 2: Donaldson prior of the twenty fifteen season of the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 2: He went on to win the American League MVP. So

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Speaker 2: this wouldn't be that out of the ordinary. I mean

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Speaker 2: we also have to remember too, like coming up a

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Speaker 2: somewhat off here for Chapman, his market could be down.

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Speaker 2: So maybe Miami comes in and wow's Oakland with an offer.

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Speaker 2: Just given the fact that you know, Chapman shrunk out

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Speaker 2: two hundred and two times this year, he there are

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Speaker 2: some concerns that lie with him this swing and miss.

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Speaker 2: As they just said, you know, the two hundred plus

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Speaker 2: strikeouts is a concern. I believe every year except one,

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Speaker 2: he's had more strikeouts than games played, So swing and

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Speaker 2: miss is definitely a problem. I mean this year alone,

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Speaker 2: he had struck out in thirty two point five percent

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Speaker 2: of his plate appearances and twenty six point nine percent overall.

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Speaker 2: For an average, it's about I think it's like twenty

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Speaker 2: three percent twenty four percent. So he's going to strike

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Speaker 2: out an above average clip. But again, you can take

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Speaker 2: that when you have a career. He's a career OPS

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Speaker 2: plus guy of one twenty. He for the two years

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen twenty nineteen was almost was essentially an eight

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Speaker 2: or player on average. He was fifteen point five Baseball

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Speaker 2: fifteen point three Baseball Reference war. Uh, he's in the

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Speaker 2: ninety ten percentile and out above average ninety first percentile

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Speaker 2: on walk. So he's almost like a better version of

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Speaker 2: Joey Gallo. Where wherever you play him on the field,

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Speaker 2: the defense is going to be great the way that

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Speaker 2: Gallo's great in the corner outfield spots. Chapman's great at

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Speaker 2: third base. Can't even play shortstop a little bit. But

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Speaker 2: I don't want him to, you know, I obviously serve

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Speaker 2: him with his shrinks and keep him the third Yeah,

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Speaker 2: average eighty nine percent time on average exit velocity. Again,

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Speaker 2: he'll walk, but he'll strike out a lot. I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, if you don't get a guy to say,

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Speaker 2: like Chris Bryant, who is gonna be a free agent,

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Speaker 2: and we'll probably talk about him later in the show,

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Speaker 2: and you know, Chapman is an alternative who I think

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Speaker 2: his upside, especially now given he's around the same age

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Speaker 2: as Bryant, but he's shown in recent years that he

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Speaker 2: can be at times even better just because of where

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Speaker 2: his ceiling is. I think right now would probably be

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Speaker 2: the best time to kind of pursue a guy that,

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Speaker 2: especially because you don't know even you never know what's

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Speaker 2: going on, especially with their stadium.

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Speaker 1: I think we do know exactly what's going on at

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Speaker 1: this time. He will he will be available. That's the

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Speaker 1: feeling around Oakland that even if that stadium comes together,

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Speaker 1: they are gonna blow it up, you know, within the

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Speaker 1: next calendar year, whether it all happens this offseason or

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Speaker 1: whether they they like draw it out a little bit

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Speaker 1: to include next deadline. They might not being a rush

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Speaker 1: to blow it up immediately, but he's somebody that they

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Speaker 1: would at least listen on right now. Because of his

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Speaker 1: proximity to free agency and the fact that he does

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Speaker 1: even when he's coming off this off year offensively, he

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Speaker 1: does so much like he works miracles with his glove.

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Speaker 1: It is one of the great defensive third basement of

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Speaker 1: our era. It's really him and Nolan Aernato and they.

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Speaker 2: Are in the same high school, mind you exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that.

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Speaker 2: I believe Chapman played shortstop while Aeronado played third base.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean there's obviously a lineage to great

591
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Speaker 2: defense coming from California where they played. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: He's definitely an entertaining name. I don't even know what

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Speaker 2: it would take to get him. I mean, we don't know.

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Speaker 2: Billy Bean's almost kind of even checked out of his

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Speaker 2: duties in Oakland. I mean, there was at one point

596
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Speaker 2: in the offseason last year he had signed on to

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Speaker 2: join an organization for Lippo's, Like it was like a

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Speaker 2: minor league organization that helped secure players pay and you

599
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Speaker 2: had to you know, very complicated thing that we won't

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Speaker 2: even get in discussing here. So the chances are he's

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Speaker 2: not I mean, he's not even as involved as he

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Speaker 2: used to be Oakland's You know, as consistently successful as

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Speaker 2: they are, there always seems to be some internal fire

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Speaker 2: that needs to be put out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they have, as we have reasonable complaints about Marlin's ownership,

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Speaker 1: both past and currents. It's nothing compared to the A's.

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Speaker 1: They's quietly have maybe the worst ownership situation in baseball.

608
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Speaker 1: They just don't invest in their team. They make small issues.

609
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Speaker 1: In the big issues like they you got to feel

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Speaker 1: bad for them the fact that they don't even have those,

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Speaker 1: at least in the last couple decades. They don't have

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Speaker 1: those surprise World Series to hang their hats on. And

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Speaker 1: they made a lot out of a little for a

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Speaker 1: few years, and they did try to go for it

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Speaker 1: a little bit down the stretch this year, and now

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Speaker 1: that didn't work out him. The feeling is that they're

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Speaker 1: like setting the stage to like punt again on the

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Speaker 1: major league product. So it's sad to see. I do

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Speaker 1: think a lot of this would be contingent on what

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Speaker 1: the Marlins, what they have going on with BA, whether

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Speaker 1: it's concerns about him being ready for Opening Day and

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Speaker 1: knowing that they may need someone to just fill a

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Speaker 1: void at third base, or whether they're really comfortable with

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Speaker 1: having him try another position, whether that's most likely going

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Speaker 1: back to the outfield somewhere where he did show a

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Speaker 1: lot of promise, even though third base is his best

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Speaker 1: defensive position, or whether they think, on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: like in a corresponding trade, they feel that it's time

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Speaker 1: to part ways with him. And yeah, so I would

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Speaker 1: disagree with that. I hope they don't do that, but

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Speaker 1: I could, I could see it happening. I wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: surprised totally in that scenario either. So it would have

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Speaker 1: a lot to do with exactly what's going on with BA,

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Speaker 1: because you threw his name out here just a few

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Speaker 1: minutes ago. As well. Go into Chris Bryant, who is

636
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Speaker 1: coming off a three point three war season this past

637
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Speaker 1: year between the Cubs and the Giants. He early in

638
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Speaker 1: his career, he was with it during his first three

639
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Speaker 1: seasons in the majors. Like it's no exaggeration to say

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Speaker 1: he was on a Hall of Fame trajectory his first

641
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Speaker 1: three years. He won Rookie of the Year easily, he

642
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Speaker 1: won National League MVP, helped him to the World Series.

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Speaker 1: He was playing almost as well in twenty seventeen as well.

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Speaker 1: But I believe that was the first time that he

645
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Speaker 1: missed some significant time with injuries, so there is a

646
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Speaker 1: little bit of injury risk with him. He's been banged

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Speaker 1: up a little bit, most recently in twenty twenty. He

648
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: was bad in twenty twenty and he only played half

649
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: the year, and there were rumblings about whether the Cubs

650
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: might actually just like non tender him entering this final

651
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: year because of how low his stock was at that moment.

652
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: But he did have a really solid bounce back to

653
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: become a Was he All Star? Yeah, he was an

654
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: All Star selection this past year. He did tail off

655
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: a little bit at the very end with the Giants

656
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: in September October. He wasn't hitting the same quite the

657
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: same way, and overall, I think it is fair to

658
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: say that he hasn't totally returned to that form he

659
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: had at the beginning of his career. So it's in

660
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: a very weird position. So he's relatively young for this

661
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: three free agent class. He turns thirty right before right

662
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: after the new year passes, and he'll be looking for

663
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: I say, as a Scott Boris clients, he'll be looking

664
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: for a very big deal compared to someone like Castianos.

665
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: I think when you put them up side by side,

666
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: Costianos is coming off the better year overall, but Bryant

667
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: is just a much more multi dimensional player and he

668
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: has the higher ceiling if he does get back to

669
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: being that player that he was as recently as twenty

670
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: sixteen twenty seventeen. He primarily you think of him as

671
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: a corner infielder or corner outfielder, but he can also

672
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: fake it at center field. That shorts off a little bit,

673
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: but more so in center field. If you're especially looking

674
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: at this past year with Yeah, well before and after

675
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: the trade, he is still really athletic for someone at

676
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: that stage of his career. He still runs well for

677
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: someone in the middle of his career as well. I

678
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: think his injury issues have been more so to maybe

679
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: be in a shoulder also. Yeah, so his athleticism still seems

680
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: to be still there. The floor is pretty high with him,

681
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: The ceiling is extremely high with him, and I think

682
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: the price is going to be extremely high with him,

683
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: someone that will, I imagine, be looking for a longer

684
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: deal than even Castiana, a five year deal or a

685
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: six year deal. I wouldn't totally rule that out. We

686
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: just stretched out long enough and the average annual value

687
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: comes down just enough that I would probably label Chris

688
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Bryant as perhaps the biggest free agent that the Marlins

689
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: realistically might get. But we're going to talk about some

690
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: like Pie in the Sky dream players on next week's episode,

691
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: for sure. But if I'm being honest, knowing what I

692
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: feel like I know about the organization, that this is

693
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: kind of where I think they'll draw the line in

694
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: free agency. If there's gonna be anybody that they pay

695
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: one hundred plus million dollars too, it'd be somebody like

696
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: this that you can put in really like five different

697
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: positions on the field. We spoke of Chris Taylor on

698
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: the last episode, and Chris Bryant to me, is like

699
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: in the super version of Chris Taylor. At this point

700
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: you don't really think about them in the same category.

701
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: But to this point in his career kind of it's

702
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: happened very naturally that Chris Brian has developed this positional versatility,

703
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: and he does it while still hitting for good power

704
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: that could potentially be even moreer than what he what

705
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,479
Speaker 1: has shown in the last couple of years, and he's

706
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: there's yeah, there still is like deep within him a

707
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: scenario where he returns to being that kind of MVP

708
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: caliber player, he's he's worth taking, like pursuing all the

709
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: way to the wire. Will they get him? I think

710
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: that's unlikely, but he I wouldn't totally rule him out,

711
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: even being knowing the limitations that Marlins have spending wise,

712
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: don't totally rule out Chris Bryan.

713
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I personally think when you start, if

714
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: you're gonna when you're gonna start talking, you know, money.

715
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: As far as what he gets, the number I had

716
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: in mind was maybe something in the range of like

717
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: five years, one hundred and twenty five million, And if

718
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: you really want to get sexy with the numbers, I

719
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't go past, you know, one hundred and fifty just

720
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: because there's so many. Like you know, obviously, he provides

721
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: you the ability to play five or so positions. But

722
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: the one thing, I mean, there's the concerns almost in

723
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: some way with him. I mean, to be fair, Chris

724
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: Brian is one of my favorite players in the sport

725
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: as a non objective, you know, opinion, but there's there

726
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: are some concerns. I think he's serviceable in every position

727
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 2: he plays. I think personally, if you're gonna put him

728
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: in one position for the duration of a season and

729
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: expect the most out of him. Defensively, it's probably gonna

730
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: be like left field, although I do watch him play

731
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: first base in times and I'm like, you know, like

732
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 2: he's pretty you know, again, he's serviceable at every position.

733
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: But this year he was averaged to slightly below average

734
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: in defensive metrics by like total zone and defensive runs.

735
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: Save that being said, I still think he's, you know,

736
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: an excellent player, especially when you talk about the fact

737
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: that you know he's he's slugging almost five hundred and

738
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: this isn't even like v Chris Bryant that everybody remembers

739
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: he's getting on base. He gets on base, which is

740
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: what I love. I mean, we don't should forget three

741
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: sixteen nine OBP is a rookie. Then it goes gradually up.

742
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 2: I believe it's three ninety three and sixteen he wins

743
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: the MVP before he gets hurt. In twenty seventeen, he

744
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: has a four hundred four three four four OBP. So

745
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: this is a guy who is a track record of

746
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 2: making adjustments at the plate, and you know he ability

747
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 2: to get him It's just another one of those Vegas guys, Harper,

748
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: Joey Gallo him that just they just kind of like

749
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: know how to hit when they get to the big leagues,

750
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: you know, Gallop maybe to a lesser degree than the others.

751
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: The one thing I will say I am really concerned

752
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: about is the fact that one thing that has remained

753
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 2: consistent with Chris Bryan since twenty seventeen is his average

754
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: exit velocity. And I think a lot of that too,

755
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: comes from his swing. He has a very long swing.

756
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 2: Whereas guys like Mike Trout and even in his player

757
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: on a guy that Justin Upton were great hitters, and

758
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: because they their swings were so short and quick, they

759
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: were very like, you know, very like fast twitchy and

760
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: I but Chris Bryant's swing is so long that I

761
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 2: think it takes away and since twenty seventeen he hasn't

762
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: been above the thirty percentile an average exit v low.

763
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: And a lot of that too, is not even just

764
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: his swing, it's the stance he sets so wide. If

765
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: you watch him from the right handers batter's block, he

766
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: is so wide in his stance that I think he

767
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: you know, he has a tendency to get under some

768
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: baseball sometimes, which can take away from some of that power.

769
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: You know, even if you know, laun Jangle kind of

770
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: says like you you swing upper, you know, have an

771
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 2: uppercut swing, you're in pensive. They hit more home runs.

772
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: But Chris Bryant, you know, even if he's a two

773
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: to three win player, I think you know, you can't

774
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: necessarily be that disappointed when you consider the fact that

775
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: he's gonna give guys so much rest the kind of way,

776
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: the same way we talked about Chris Taylor. And I'm

777
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: a little less emphatic about Bryant because obviously there is

778
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: a track record and that goes about two three years

779
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: now excluding this year, where you just kind of don't

780
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: know where he is and where he'll be. You know,

781
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 2: perfect scenario, he gets a five year deal and he's

782
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: a four to six win player for half or two

783
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: thirds of that contract, but you know, he probably is

784
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: going to cost him about one hundred at least one

785
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty one hundred and fifty million. I mean,

786
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: I think that's where you start. And you know, I

787
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: think any team would be foolish to put a two

788
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: in front of that contract they give him right so

789
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: the next guy I wanted to talk about those another

790
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: Oakland A. I know, and again I know I've kind

791
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: of beaten the dead horses starting pitching, But I I

792
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: think that a guy like this can be affordable because

793
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: he only has one year left utili it's free agency.

794
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: Was an underdog cy young candidate before he got hurt.

795
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: Got hit in the head, and I'm talking about Chris Bassett.

796
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: Chris Bassett has quietly been among the better pitchers in

797
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: the sports since the start of twenty twenty. And I

798
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: have some of the numbers here at thirty eight games started,

799
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: a two ninety ERA over two hundred and twenty innings pitched,

800
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: and you know, he's about a league average pitcher when

801
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: it comes to striking out hitters. I believe this year

802
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: he only struck out about two more hitters than innings

803
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: pitch one hundred and fifty nine strikeouts and one hundred

804
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: and fifty seven to a third innings pitch. That being said,

805
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: a one oh five win. You know, the RA three

806
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: one five three point nine Baseball Reference war was having

807
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: the best season of his career before he got hurt,

808
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: and for an openand team. Again that we said about

809
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 2: when took discuss Chapman. That's kind of in flux where

810
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 2: you kind of don't know where they're gonna wind up

811
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: at the start of twenty twenty two. I don't think

812
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: Bassett's an expensive option, especially when you consider his age.

813
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: You really this thirty one thirty two, and the fact

814
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: that the team gets him, should he be traded and

815
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: that's and that should It's hypothetical at this point you're

816
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: only going to have him for one year, But I

817
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: think he would be a nice kind of like low

818
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: cost kind of bargaining guy. He does have one year

819
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 2: of arbitration left prior to free agency, so he probably

820
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: will cost a little bit more, But that being said,

821
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: that would possibly make you know, should a team who

822
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: acquires him take most of that salary, I think you

823
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: can get him relatively cheap, and he's not only going

824
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: to be a league averatrasy for you, he's got the

825
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 2: potential to be an All Star he was last year.

826
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: That's that's a great one I had. I kind of

827
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: just scrolled past his name without thinking too closely about it.

828
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: But the one year of control is just a great

829
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: sweet spot because it does really drag down the trade value.

830
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: Yet I think it makes a whole lot of sense

831
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: for the Marlins, knowing how much starting pitching they have

832
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: coming and that they are going to be apprehensive about

833
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: diving too deep into the free agents starting pitching market.

834
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: When we talk about somebody like Justin Verlander coming off

835
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: with Tommy John and being six years older than Chris Bassett,

836
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: five or six years older and probably getting a multi

837
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: year deal, then the prospect of trading for Bassett being

838
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: a small fraction of the salary in you know, giving

839
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: up what will be I'm sure multiple decent prospects, but

840
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: nobody that you really have nightmares about, like starring elsewhere.

841
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: That it makes a lot of sense. He, as you said,

842
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: three point nine wore this past season that would have

843
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: been over. He would have been outside this this tier

844
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: if he had simply not been hit by that freaky incident.

845
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: And he did come back at the very end of

846
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: the year, which gives him some closure. This is I

847
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: guess what we talked about with somebody like Pablo Lopez,

848
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: that you work your way and you come back at

849
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: the very end of the year, not quite enough time

850
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: for you to return to being fully stretched out and

851
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: like making a difference, But It gives that player a

852
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: lot of closure that you can have a normal off season.

853
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: He really is in that nice sweet spot for them. Again,

854
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: this is Marlins off season shopping. We are in Aisle

855
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: four looking at players between three and four war this

856
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: past season that the Marlins should be targeting this off season.

857
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: I have won. This is cheating. I'm going a little

858
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: bit outside our bracket because I don't think we brought

859
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: up J. D. Martinez on the last show, did we,

860
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: and he finished with exactly three point zero or last season.

861
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: I bring him up because he's yet another Scott Boris

862
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: guy in addition to Nick Cassianos and Chris Bryant and

863
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure several others that but I don't think all

864
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: of them are going to completely break the bank. There's

865
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: only just so many teams that have this big need

866
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: for an impact that he technically has one more year

867
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: of his contract if he chooses to stick with it,

868
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: like at nineteen and a half million, He's expected to

869
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: opt out of that, which is a little bit of

870
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: a borderline choice. But he is I think understandably expecting

871
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: that a team like the Marlins might be willing to

872
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: give him a multi year deal if assuming there is

873
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: that universal DH in the new CBA and starting next year,

874
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: that's kind of my premise, is that they are going

875
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: to have that, and him more so than Castianos. For Bryant,

876
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: it really is contingent on there being a DH because

877
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: that's mainly what he is. You put him in left

878
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: fields in an emergency, that would be exactly how the

879
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: Marlins would manage that. Well, we'd have to see. He

880
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: is even more so than Castianos. He is like a

881
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: genuine South Florida guy who has spent I think as

882
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: long as I can remember, he's spent his offseason training

883
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: in Miami, and he has a lot of disciples. At

884
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: this point, he's been such a consistently good hitter in

885
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: the majors now probably like eight nine years, that he

886
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: has a whole lot of disciples that are falling after him.

887
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: He fits that pattern that I've pointed out before of

888
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: guys who, yes, they were terrible in twenty twenty, but

889
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: they were their usual cells before the pandemic, and they

890
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: were their usual selves in twenty twenty one, which makes

891
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: you more comfortable writing off twenty twenty as a fluke.

892
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: He is someone that was very outspoken about how important

893
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: it was Tim have a specific routine during games, reviewing

894
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: game video in between at bats, and due to COVID precautions,

895
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: they had to get rid of that in twenty twenty,

896
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: and that messed with him. You can he wasn't able

897
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: to focus the same way that he used to make

898
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: the adjustments that he wanted to, and so in that

899
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty season he put up a six' eighty, ops

900
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: which is disastrous if you're mostly full TIME. Dh but

901
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: he bounced back this past year seventy three extra base.

902
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: HITS i think he led The American league in. Doubles,

903
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: yeah in addition to ni twenty eight home. Runs he's

904
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: just an awesome hitter who's like league average in the strikeout,

905
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: department but not much more than. That compared To i'll

906
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: keep referring to someone Like. Castianos he walks a little

907
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: bit more Than Nick castianos. Does he's just a more complete.

908
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: HITTER i don't think it's realistic to think he'll like

909
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: recapture HIS mvp candidate, status just because at this point

910
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: with his, age that becomes a. Factor he's thirty, four

911
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: turned thirty four In, august AND i think it's reasonable

912
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: to expect a steady decline from this. Point he could surprise.

913
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: Us he could be the Next Nelson. Cruise if you're

914
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: looking for a candidate that maybe defies this type of

915
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: that follows in The Nelson, Cruise David ortiz mold that

916
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: stuff only comes, around you, know once every few, years

917
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: and Maybe Jad martinez is that kind of, free amazing

918
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: hitter that is able to overcome. That but even if

919
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: you factor in some, DECLINE i would be totally down

920
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: for a big two year deal to have him really

921
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: solidify the middle of that.

922
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: LINEUP i think he's a guy that AND i don't

923
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 2: know if you do this, too but WHEN i look

924
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: at guys AND i look at the upcoming free agent,

925
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: MARKET i See Jad martinez a guy who will probably

926
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: sign a little bit later in the, offseason, because as you,

927
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: said he's still a very good hitter despite the off twenty.

928
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: Twenty every year he's been In, boston he's been about

929
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: thirty percent above the league. Average he was one twenty

930
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: six ops plus this year around was one forty in

931
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: THAT mvp, season if not even, better he's you, KNOW

932
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: i mean one seventy. Three so what DO i? Know

933
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: one thirty nine in twenty. Nineteen he has that track,

934
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: record especially and he we talked About. Detroit he hit In,

935
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: detroit so there's no expectation that he wouldn't be able

936
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 2: to do it In. Miami definitely am more a four

937
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: Then castianos because of the age and the fact that

938
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: you Know. Castianos you can play him in the, outfield

939
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 2: and while he may not be, GOOD i don't think

940
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: he'll be as bad as say a guy Like martinez

941
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 2: would be if he had consistent playing time in the

942
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: corner of the outfield. Spots BUT i don't, Know like

943
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: on a two, year twenty plus million dollars, deal just

944
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: to have him hitting fourth or fifth in that lineup

945
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: every day is would be a, treat AND i think

946
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: he would the way he Hit, DETROIT i think he

947
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: could kind of defy what it means to hit in

948
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: a pitcher's park and put up big numbers In, miami you,

949
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: Know and, HONESTLY i mean, again the WAY i think

950
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: he signs later, though is just its contingent on does

951
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: The National league have a UNIVERSAL dag and if it,

952
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: doesn't his market and a guy maybe Like Nelson, cruz

953
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: WHO i believe will play again next, year just because

954
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: when he was on the field he was still an

955
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: excellent hit offensive. Player but if teams will be willing,

956
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: to you, know bring guys like that along with all

957
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: the data that we have now knowing that they're going

958
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: to primarily be A. DH i, mean there may be

959
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: a time Where Jadie martinez would have to play the

960
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 2: outfield of an, emergency but his days of starting forty

961
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: to fifty games in the OUTFIELD i think are over

962
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: because of the, age because the metrics have never been

963
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: necessarily kind to. Him, YEAH i, mean he'd be. Power

964
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,959
Speaker 2: it'd be like a much needed power bat that again

965
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: wouldn't cost as much As. CASSIANOS i had another, guy,

966
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: Though Joey wendell with The rays could be a guy

967
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: that makes sense three point Eight Baseball reference war last.

968
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: Year he plays all over the. INFIELD i, mean we

969
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 2: talked about a guy Like taylor And bryant who can

970
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: give you innings at third, base the outfield positively first.

971
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: Place Joey wendell plays premium defensive positions in the infield third,

972
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: base second, base, shortstop and every single position of one

973
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 2: of those. Positions this year he graded at above average

974
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 2: and if he and it's not kind of like hype

975
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: verrbally to say that if he plays a full year

976
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: at say, shortstop which he, was he put up six

977
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: defensive run saved in like twenty five games started at that.

978
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: Position it's not apperpctly to say that he could possibly

979
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 2: be A Gold glove finalist at all three of those.

980
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: Positions and on top of, that he put up a

981
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: seven forty ONE ops and at one ten ops plus

982
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 2: did a little bit of. Power he had eleven home,

983
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: runs fifty four RPIs five hundred one played. Appearances so

984
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: he's a very interesting. PLAYER i think another one of

985
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 2: those guys That tampa just kind of gives a role

986
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: to and they're, like, oh, look you, know we'll find

987
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 2: a way for you to. Succeed and he has done

988
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: that for most of his big league. Career SO i

989
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 2: Like joey Went, ON i think he's even in an

990
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: emergency situation. Too he has some experience in the. Outfold

991
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 2: believe he's got one hundred fourteen plus and he's in

992
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: the outfield where he you, know isn't great the way

993
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: that he is at those infield, positions but can at

994
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: least give you average defense and say left or right.

995
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: FIELD i Like Joey wendell a, lot AND i wouldn't

996
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: be shocked The rays maybe, say, like, hey like we

997
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: can maybe get a decent return for a guy like,

998
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 2: this and it wouldn't cost The marlins as much as

999
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: it would for Say, bryant who will cost at least

1000
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 2: a qualifying offer samething With, taylor just given the fact

1001
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: that the compensation picks will be attached to those. Offers

1002
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: i'm a Big Joey wendell. FAN i, Mean i'm a

1003
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: fan of a lot of what The rays, do but

1004
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: he would be a nice kind of like accessory piece

1005
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: to have on that.

1006
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: Roster marlins fans should remember him pretty vividly as the

1007
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: guy that derailed The Anthony bass era before it even,

1008
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: started well exactly as it. Started he was the one

1009
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: that hit that home run that Blew Anthony bass's first

1010
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: save in that opening series this past. Season, yeah my

1011
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: question With wendell's how legit the bat? Is it really did?

1012
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 1: Crater after Like Memorial, day he hit what was it

1013
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: most of his home runs In april And. May it's

1014
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: six of his home runs in through what the first

1015
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: fifty games that he, played and then down the. Stretch

1016
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: if you go from the end Of may To, october

1017
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: he had six sixty. Ops he wasn't really getting on

1018
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: base or hitting for power down the. Stretch his defense

1019
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: was carrying, him the versatility was carrying. Him and in

1020
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: terms of really, affordable he's a bargain no matter. What

1021
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: in terms of salary, wise he was earning just over

1022
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: two million this, year so he'll learned a raise to

1023
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: a couple million more than, that and then has another

1024
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: year of arbitration eligibility after. That IT'S i mean no

1025
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: doubt that he's gonna be pretty valuable on the trade.

1026
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: Market but he's in that same suite spot with some

1027
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: of the other trade candidates we mentioned where you definitely

1028
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: do not have to give up any of your inner

1029
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: circle top prospects in order to get. Him there is

1030
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: a reasonable, compromise and he certainly if you do have

1031
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: concerns about one of ba Or, birdie especially if they've

1032
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: concerns about both of them being, ready then he is

1033
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 1: a pretty obvious. Target i'd have to dive a little

1034
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: bit deeper into what happened with the bat later in the.

1035
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: Year early in the, season he WAS i think that's

1036
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,479
Speaker 1: people remember The april And, may and that's what drove

1037
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: him to The All star. Selection from that point, forward

1038
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: he didn't do a whole lot to validate. That So

1039
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: i'm intrigued by. Him he wouldn't be a big priority for.

1040
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: ME i do have one final player THAT i had written,

1041
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: down and he's also on The, rays and his availability

1042
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: is a pretty complex question because of his. Contract their

1043
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: catcher this past, Season Mike zanino last year put up

1044
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: three point seven War he was simply one of the

1045
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: better catchers in baseball for someone that had been around

1046
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: a while but had always been off and, on and

1047
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: mostly off. Offensively that really limited his. VALUE i, mean

1048
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: the most defining characteristic of his major league career is

1049
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: that he strikes out so. Much so so much you

1050
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: have to really DEVELOP i guess if you're A marlins,

1051
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: fan you got a little used to it with What

1052
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: Adam duval did early in the, year but this is

1053
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 1: a an even higher. Clip it gets frustrating at. Times

1054
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: he was able to make up for this past year

1055
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: because he was one of the preeminent power hitters in

1056
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: all of. Baseball he was finally able to really find

1057
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: an approach that worked for him and he created an

1058
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: unusual contract situation for himself because it was originally slated

1059
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,959
Speaker 1: to be a four million dollar team option for next,

1060
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: year which for the raise would be to me pretty

1061
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: no brainer to pick. Up but there was incentives in

1062
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: there based on games played that he could earn up

1063
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: to three million dollars extra on that club option if

1064
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: he played at least one hundred, games and he played

1065
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: one hundred and, nine which raises the price all the

1066
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: way up to seven, million which again is really good

1067
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: value if you have one of the better catchers in.

1068
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: Baseball with The, rays they have a history of anybody

1069
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: that is in that. Territory they are, like they do

1070
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: not hesitate to, shop you to sell high on these

1071
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: type of, guys especially if they believe in their internal,

1072
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: options and they do have some solid catchers, internally and

1073
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: they certainly have the farm systems depth to trade for

1074
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: any of their own. Catchers SO i, YEAH i really

1075
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: don't have a great feel for exactly if they'll pick

1076
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: up the option or if they would trade. HIM i

1077
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: would lean towards the, FACT i would say more than

1078
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: fifty percent shot he's not on The rays next, year

1079
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: that they either decline the option or they do trade,

1080
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: him they pick up the option and then trade him

1081
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: to a team that is not as cost conscious as they,

1082
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: are and so that would be'd be on a one year.

1083
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: Deal and as a guy that the career stats really

1084
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: do make you. Nauseous he is a two to two career.

1085
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: Hitter he is a two seventy four CAREER. Obp and

1086
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: we've talked about some guys already on lower aisles that

1087
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: have shaky, obps and this one kind of takes the

1088
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: cake for being just. Awful so you are relying pretty

1089
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: heavily on his home run. POWER i have some faith

1090
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 1: that just because of the it's not just Like wall

1091
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: scraper home. Runs he has the type of really plus

1092
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: plus power THAT i feel would play, anywhere including At

1093
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: Loan Depot. Park so it's probably not thirty three home

1094
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: runs At Loan, depot but at a similar playing, time

1095
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: it could be close to thirty from the catcher, position

1096
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: AND i felt we needed to bring up at least

1097
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: one catcher in this episode because that's kind of our

1098
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: quota to bring up one, catcher just knowing That marlans

1099
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: have to turn over every rock to find. One so

1100
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: he's a complicated. Case i'm sure he's, divisive but if he's,

1101
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: available they need to at least take a look at.

1102
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: It AND i know they were looking at him last,

1103
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: year last year when he was temporarily in free, agency

1104
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: and they didn't quite pull the trigger on, that and

1105
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: they probably regret.

1106
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: It, YEAH i would have Mentioned Wilson, contrares but that'll

1107
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 2: probably have to wait for next. Week just because he

1108
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: finished at four point One Baseball Reference, war especially in

1109
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: a year or his offense didn't really do what you

1110
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: kind of expect from. HIM i, mean he's like an

1111
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: eight to fifty ops guy at his. Best the last

1112
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: Guy i'll. Mention and it's funny you mentioned. DUVAL i

1113
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: had him on my list as a possible reunion candidate

1114
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: just BECAUSE i, thought, like you, know there was a

1115
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: slew of inconsistencies while he was, here and there were

1116
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: times WHERE i watched him and you, know his approach

1117
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: absolutely frustrates me because there's one THING i cannot. Stand

1118
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: it's just hitters who lack the ability to kind of,

1119
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: wait to pitch around and take their. Walks duvall walked

1120
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,959
Speaker 2: thirty five, times shrug one hundred and seventy four, times

1121
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: but he plays elite, defense and he's A golobal finals

1122
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: in the right field to eighty ONE ovp four and

1123
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: any one slug, though so Like, zanino your kind of you,

1124
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: know his skill set is the power and the ability

1125
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: to play elite defense at his respective. Position And DeVault

1126
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: did it in, left right and even at times center.

1127
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: Field and he's playing centerfield For atlanta. Now three home

1128
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: runs in you, know fifteen postseason, games so he's shown

1129
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: his ability to hit in the. Postseason But i'm not

1130
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: going to really spend too much time on. Him the

1131
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: last GUY i TALKED i want to talk about Because

1132
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 2: miami needs a center. Fielder it's no mistake that you

1133
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: know we've Been Brian reynolds is like our big white

1134
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: whale at that position this. Offseason should The pirates want

1135
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 2: to dangle him and dred, talks you, know maybe he's

1136
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: a guy that gets moved to the winter. Meetings but

1137
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: if you want to, go maybe on the more affordable,

1138
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: side BECAUSE i think this team has the outfield depth

1139
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 2: to kind of recover from a loss of, him if

1140
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: you want to call it. That Harrison, bader you, know

1141
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: we've talked about him a lot at. TIMES i think

1142
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 2: he's an excellent player when he's, hitting and he's not always,

1143
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: hitting SO i understand the trepidation that some fans may

1144
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 2: have with. That but this, year and a lot of

1145
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 2: this came on, late especially during that big winning streak

1146
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: that they, wanted the seventeen game winning streak near the

1147
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: end of the season that got them into playoffs and

1148
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: losing that wildcard. Game you, know he hit two sixty

1149
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: four three twenty, four four to sixty while saving fifteen

1150
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: runs in center. FIELD i, mean he's probably other Than Kika,

1151
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 2: hernandez one, of if not the s center field defender in.

1152
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: BASEBALL i, mean you could probably stake a claim for

1153
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: a couple of other. GUYS i Mean Mookie, betts when

1154
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: he plays, centerfield always primarily a right, fielder is pretty

1155
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: good in. Center But, baier you, know he's a one

1156
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: sixteen ops plus guy with, elite elite centerfield. Defense i'm

1157
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 2: surprised he's never won to go glove because he's done this,

1158
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: before where he's put up fifteen defensive runs saved in

1159
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 2: center field. Before he's no stranger to being a wizard

1160
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: with the. LEATHER i don't know what it, costs just

1161
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i Believe he's got two years of club control

1162
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 2: before free, agency it could be, three so that may

1163
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: make him a little more. Pricey but the just, GIVING

1164
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 2: i think it too takes a lot of pressure off

1165
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: a guy Like brian dea La, cruz who played a

1166
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 2: lot of center field near the end of the. Season

1167
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: THOUGH i don't think he's a true center. FIELDER i

1168
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: think he his bat and his glove profile better in

1169
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: a corner. Left BUT i think and Then bata just

1170
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: covers so much. Ground he's so fast, Too he's a

1171
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 2: good base. Runner there's a lot of intangibles that he

1172
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 2: has three point Nine baseball, references so he just gets.

1173
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 2: In SO i love. HIM i think if we don't

1174
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 2: want to spend the money on A Brian reynolds in

1175
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: as far as prospect capital is, CONCERNED i think batter

1176
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: is a slightly cheaper, option AND i think he still

1177
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: allows us that flexibility to go out and get A

1178
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: Chris bryant Or Chris taylor if we want to entertain

1179
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: guys like. That, YEAH i mean he in a perfect

1180
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: world where there's a UNIVERSAL dh and we sign a

1181
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: guy Like Nick cassianos who could be a PRIMARY, Dh

1182
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: baterer takes that stress away of having, to you, know

1183
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 2: see castianas in the, outfield because it Gives Hey susanchez

1184
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: more time to. Play it gives us the opportunity to

1185
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: sign A. Jd martinez to be our EVERYDAY. Dh and

1186
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: when he, hits he's an above average offensive player AND

1187
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: i think that can only link in your. Lineup.

1188
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: YEAH i did not totally realize how valuable he was

1189
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: offensively this, year BECAUSE i do believe AS i dig

1190
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: into the specifics a little, bit that he got off

1191
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: to a pretty he got to a hot, start and

1192
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: then you know what he. Was he was just better

1193
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: THAN i realized. OFFENSIVELY i knew about the. Defense he

1194
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: plays a unique style of. Defense he's one of those

1195
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: guys that he gets to his spots so early that

1196
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: he jakes's weird angles to the ball because he's like

1197
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: already in. Place he gets the ball so efficiently that

1198
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: it sets him up to make like the best possible

1199
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: throws to the. Infield it is on another, level even

1200
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: compared to some of the pretty solid center fielders defensively

1201
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: that The marlins have had the past few. Years this

1202
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: is definitely on another, level just as a lot of

1203
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: these other trade candidates it's a question of. Availability but

1204
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: with anybody that, is we know within two years of free,

1205
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: agency those teams will explore all. Options and he may

1206
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: be one of the odd men out in with The

1207
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: cardinals because they already have like a solid outfield setup moving,

1208
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: forward and he might be a lower. Priority SO i

1209
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: would not totally real light. Out and we know that

1210
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: these teams did make pretty substantial trade just a few

1211
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: years ago With, ozuna so they are not a. Post

1212
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: and they made another one even more recently With Austin

1213
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: dean that was like a tiny trade as. Well there's

1214
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: that relationship, there and that's one thing THAT i always

1215
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: look at, too when you, know sizing up the possibility

1216
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: of making these. Trades as we wrap Up aisle four

1217
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: Of marlins offseason, shopping That's Lewis Addio, WEISS i, Mean Eli.

1218
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: Susman we still got one more to. Go and this,

1219
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: this this is gonna be the special. One this is

1220
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: gonna be the big bonanza because we'll be looking at

1221
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: all players that were for war and above this past

1222
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: season that there'll be those will be the really sexy.

1223
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: Names but if we're looking at this tier as, usual

1224
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: let us know if we overlooked anybody that we should discuss.

1225
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: Further i'll provide the links to people so that they

1226
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: could actually see the full list of eligibles that were

1227
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: in this aisle if we because we overlooked. Anybody if

1228
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 1: you haven't, ready just listened back to the previous aisles as, well, one,

1229
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: two and. THREE i think overall we've covered probably covered fifty,

1230
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: players more than fifty players at this, point so we've

1231
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: been pretty thorough and, You'll i'm sure you'll find somebody

1232
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: that you like listening back to those old episodes. Already

1233
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: keep it locked to this channel again for a special

1234
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: episode THAT i recorded of the pod With Keith law

1235
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: of The athletic that will bring us into the off.

1236
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: Season so plenty Of marlins coverage coming on Fits, stripes

1237
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: And i'm sure we'll have to at least acknowledge the

1238
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: braves achievement as well this year as he finally reached

1239
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: the end of this twenty twenty one, season and look

1240
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: forward to a, busy, busy busy. Offseason thanks us always for.

1241
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: Listening Go fish