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Speaker 1: Hi guys, welcome to Legally Brunette. I will be your

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Speaker 1: host today Emily Simpson and my co.

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Speaker 2: Host Shane Simpson.

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Speaker 3: All right, so first of.

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Speaker 1: All, we're going to go to just a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a brief update on the Menindez case. So, there

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Speaker 1: were two prosecutors, Brock Lunsford and Nancy Theeburg, who filed

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Speaker 1: notices of claim on Monday that they intend to sue

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Speaker 1: DA Hawkman and the Deputy District Attorney John Lewin for retaliation, defamation,

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Speaker 1: and discrimination. So these two prosecutors said that they made

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Speaker 1: a presentation last October arguing that Eric and Lyle Menindez

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Speaker 1: should be re sentenced in their nineteen eighty nine murders

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Speaker 1: of their parents, Jose and Kitty because their imprisonment no

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Speaker 1: longer served the interest of justice. Some high ranking La

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Speaker 1: County prosecutors disagreed with the move, including their supervisor. So

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Speaker 1: this is according to their notice of claim. Hawkman announced

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Speaker 1: his intention to review the decision after handily defeating Gascon

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Speaker 1: last November. So as we know they have, they have

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Speaker 1: a hearing coming up on March twentieth and the twenty first.

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Speaker 1: So these two das have been big supporters of them

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Speaker 1: being re sentenced, and they're saying that now Hawkman has

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Speaker 3: So one of them.

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Speaker 1: Says that he's now been moved to a calendar clerk

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Speaker 1: or something like that, and then the other one claims

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Speaker 1: that she received high regards in her position, but now

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Speaker 1: she's been moved to something else. So they're saying that

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Speaker 1: they've been retaliated against because they've been supporting the resentencing

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Speaker 1: of the Menendez brothers. Also, what's interesting is they're hearing

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Speaker 1: on March twentieth and twenty. First, if you guys have

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Speaker 1: not heard, they will be. They're supposed to be attending

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Speaker 1: this hearing in person, which will be the first time

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Speaker 1: in thirty years that they've been seen in public, so

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Speaker 1: that that will be a media storm.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And also are you gonna be there?

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Speaker 3: I would love to be there if I can get

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Speaker 3: a ticket.

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Speaker 1: And also I heard that they cannot wear regular clothing.

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Speaker 1: Like if you remember when Luigi made his first Luigi Mangioni,

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Speaker 1: he made his appearance, he was like decked in designer.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's gonna wear his prison uniform.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna they're gonna wear a prison.

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Speaker 4: Well, the reason is because he's already sentenced. He's they're

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Speaker 4: already in jail. So when they have someone on trial

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Speaker 4: innocent before proven guilty, right, so they don't Sometimes they

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Speaker 4: don't want the jury to prejudge by seeing them in like,

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Speaker 4: you know, an orange jumpsuit, right, so they have home

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Speaker 4: dress and then come into the court and then change

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Speaker 4: back into their jumpsuit or whatever the uniform is, go

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Speaker 4: back to prison weather and custody. So I'm guessing this

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Speaker 4: time it just doesn't matter because the judge already knows

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Speaker 4: they're in jail, and it's just a resentencing hearing. It's

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Speaker 4: not a guilty not guilty.

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Speaker 1: Right, and just a reminder that it's not the da

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Speaker 1: Hawkman who makes the decision for them to be resents.

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Speaker 1: All he does is make a recommendation to the judge

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Speaker 1: and then the judge ultimately decides right.

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Speaker 4: But important nevertheless, because he's still presenting evidence to the

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Speaker 4: judge right and making the case right.

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Speaker 3: Exactly the case.

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Speaker 1: Based upon everything that we've heard about Hawkman so far,

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Speaker 1: my gut feeling is that he's not going to be

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Speaker 4: Now. I saw him on TV like a couple months ago,

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Speaker 4: I don't know why because I wasn't following the case

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Speaker 4: as close as you. But he he made a good point.

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Speaker 4: He goes, I'm not just gonna just throw it in

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Speaker 4: all over media. He goes, I'm now in, you know,

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Speaker 4: he's kind of like, okay, now it's it's on my desk.

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Speaker 4: I got to review it. I gotta like, I can't

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Speaker 4: And that was true, but you know, only to come

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Speaker 4: to this point where it sounds like it's a little

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Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, all right, So we're gonna move on.

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Speaker 1: And we've already done two podcasts on the Blake Lively

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Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni mess.

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Speaker 3: That's what I call it. It is a it is

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Speaker 3: a p R.

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Speaker 1: It is a juicy mess. If you haven't listened to

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Speaker 1: our first two podcasts, go back and listen. We go

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Speaker 1: through up until today where we're going to start. First

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Speaker 1: of all, the last thing we have not spoken about.

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Speaker 1: They did have a hearing. It was a pre trial conference,

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Speaker 1: that was requested. They really wanted Brian Friedman to shut

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Speaker 1: up and stop talking. Brian Friedman, he's out there a lot,

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Speaker 1: he's out there on TMZ, he's he's doing podcasts, He's

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Speaker 1: talking a lot. And I find it really ironic that

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Speaker 1: that when they filed that initial complaint with the California

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Speaker 1: Civil Rights Department that they I mean, it looks to me.

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Speaker 3: Allegedly, it looks like they just colluded with the New

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Speaker 2: Reynolds wants it to continue to be one sided.

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Speaker 1: It was very It was very one sided. The article

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Speaker 1: And again, if you recall we've talked about this in

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Speaker 1: our first podcast, they gave Justin Baldoni's side, very very

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Speaker 3: Respond to this?

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Speaker 1: So anyway, what happened was and the hearing, the judge

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Speaker 1: basically said, let's just follow the you know, the professional

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Speaker 1: rules of responsibility, which is Rule three point six, which

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Speaker 1: says which basically bars lawyers from making statements publicly that

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Speaker 3: Of the trial.

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Speaker 1: First of all, to me, that is a very generalized

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Speaker 4: Well, I think, I know, I know, but I think

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Speaker 4: the ideas because you see them making press conferences all

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Speaker 4: I think the ideas they can. They're supposed to only

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Speaker 2: We're going to argue.

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Speaker 4: Zellously blah blah blah, not giving specific facts like they

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Speaker 4: can deny things, but you don't want them to come

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Speaker 4: in there and you know, give the you know, taints

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Speaker 4: the jury with evidence that may not be admissible in court,

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Speaker 4: but they're throwing it out there right public.

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Speaker 1: But what also is interesting is that Brian Friedman and

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Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni's team released the website two days before that

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Speaker 1: if you have the chance to look at it, what

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Speaker 1: he did was he put the amended complaint on there

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Speaker 1: There's text with him and Ryan Reynolds, there's all the

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Speaker 3: They're just putting it.

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Speaker 4: All out there, and they're probably arguing two cases, one

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Speaker 1: Well, that's absolutely and I would say at this point

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Speaker 1: he's winning in the public.

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Speaker 3: It's if this is.

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Speaker 1: A if this is the court of pr and publicity,

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Speaker 1: Baldoni is on.

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Speaker 2: Top of this team. Baldoni.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So also in this hearing, Justin Baldoni's attorney, Brian Freeman,

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Speaker 1: he also wants to depose Blake Lively quickly and get.

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Speaker 3: Right into discovery.

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Speaker 1: Then I also saw he did Brian Freeman did a

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Speaker 1: was making reference to Justin Baldoni. Basically losing four projects

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Speaker 1: because of these accusations against him. So when people are like, wow,

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Speaker 1: that's what's been lost. So Lively's attorney claimed during this

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Speaker 1: So I really thought when we recorded this podcast today

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Speaker 4: Who is Okay Lively is amending her complaints? Do we

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Speaker 3: Well, here's my thoughts.

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Speaker 1: First of all, if she's amending the content, like I

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Speaker 1: suspect because if you were originally going to file a

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't have held stuff.

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Speaker 4: So it's not an amendment to add evidence, it's just

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Speaker 4: an like cause of action. Well, because evidence is for trial, right,

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Speaker 4: So I mean it's probably yeah, you're right, it's probably

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Speaker 4: more causes of action.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what those are. I assume they would

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Speaker 1: to add Jed Wallace. He is the guy that is

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Speaker 1: that Blake Lively filed. Or he has some kind of

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Speaker 1: like astroturfing or bots or something like that. So Blake

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Speaker 1: Lively wanted to depose him in Texas. Then he filed

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Speaker 1: a seven million dollar lawsuit against her for I think,

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Speaker 1: for some type of defamation because she named him in

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Speaker 1: he was, you know, colluded us.

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Speaker 2: On the automation.

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Speaker 4: When it's in court, you have the immunity quasi immunity,

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Speaker 4: which you know, you're allowed to say things in court

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Speaker 4: make those accusations.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, maybe publicly she also threw it out there or something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he's named in this complaint and everybody's

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Speaker 1: talking about all these PR people that are all involved

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Speaker 1: in these smear campaigns, and so he got pulled into

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Speaker 1: this smear campaign against.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I want the deposition of Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, that's interesting you bring that up, because when

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Speaker 1: Brian Friedman did this podcast recently, Harry Harvey said to him,

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Speaker 1: you're you're clearly going to depose Taylor Swift, right, And

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, I don't know. We'll figure that

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Speaker 1: out at game time. And Harvey's like, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: Of course you're going to depose Taylor Swift. She was.

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Speaker 1: She was at their home on that January fourth meeting

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Speaker 1: when supposedly Ryan Reynolds be rated justin Belton the balcony

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Speaker 1: when they were having the conversation about this balcony scene

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Speaker 1: and they were all, you know, gung ho about Blake's

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Speaker 2: You think Taylor's sing. What the heck? Why did I

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Speaker 2: become friends with her?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I have read some things and this

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Speaker 1: is just alleged. I don't know exactly what Taylor Swift

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Speaker 1: So Blake Lively is now seeking Justin Baldoni's phone records

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Speaker 1: They're seeking records pertaining to Baldoni, the producer Jamie Heath,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that subpoena, but anyway, Jennifer Able

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't don't ever give up your cell phone.

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Speaker 3: No, race is like that. No, you just throw it.

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Speaker 1: If anything, they'd start to go for you throw it

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Speaker 1: The subpoenas seek the phone records Amable and publicist Melissa Nathan.

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Speaker 3: So there are so many PR people.

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Speaker 4: I know that's the way it's deviating. But do you

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Speaker 2: It creates so much like money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but but these.

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Speaker 1: Lively's lawyers also sent subpoenas to two internet providers, cloud

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Speaker 1: I anticipate that when she files her when Blakely, Blakely,

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Speaker 3: So that's been their thing the whole.

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Speaker 1: So Justin Baldoni, there was a recent podcast he was

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about the regular stuff. Have they been

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Speaker 4: Well, here's my thought on stuff like that. And you

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Speaker 1: I think it has to settle. Because do you think

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Speaker 4: we're going to court like Johnny Depp did. Johnny Depp

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Speaker 1: Of course, but he says, look, this is about a

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Speaker 1: And does the settlement mean hey, let's just figure this

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Speaker 4: Because if they settle and the terms are kept private,

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Speaker 4: Plus, if his reputation and his business is suffering, then

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Speaker 4: Someone provided facts, like you know, clarification of them? But no,

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Speaker 4: On another thing, I want to bring up, which I'm

442
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Speaker 4: probably throwing you off, that video that came out where

443
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Speaker 4: she says she just does whatever to get the job

444
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 4: and she acts like an actor. That's then I get

445
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 4: in and I infiltrate. Yes, that's oh my gosh. She

446
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 4: is terrible, she is nasty. She's an idiot for saying

447
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 4: that she is an idiot. What year was that?

448
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Speaker 3: That was in twenty twenty two, so that was idio.

449
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 4: Prior to her, she thought she was so smart, like,

450
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Speaker 4: she's clever like and then I get in and I

451
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Speaker 4: just do.

452
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Speaker 2: Whatever I want. Well, let me get into that and anything.

453
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Speaker 1: I could finish that video, all right, and here that's

454
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Speaker 1: next on my In a resurface interview from the twenty

455
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Speaker 1: twenty two Forbes Power Our Women's Summit, Lively said just

456
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Speaker 1: following direction as an actress was not fulfilling for her,

457
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Speaker 1: and that.

458
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Speaker 4: She's received to be nasty on top of it that

459
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Speaker 4: filling for me, and that.

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Speaker 1: She has received backlash for stepping in and trying to

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Speaker 1: be a part of costume design, writing and other aspects

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Speaker 1: of a project.

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Speaker 2: How would you want to do that?

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Speaker 4: I get paid twenty million dollars to act. I'm not

465
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Speaker 4: going to go above and beyond.

466
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to act because at that point, it's

467
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Speaker 1: an ego. It's not about actually doing your job and

468
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Speaker 1: staying within the scope of your employee.

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Speaker 4: I want to be bigger in Hollywood, right, you want

470
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Speaker 4: to be like, I'm a big executive producer on this

471
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Speaker 4: that now I'm going to do another movie?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: She said she has had writers, producers, and directors welcome

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Speaker 1: that and invite that, but she's also had others who

475
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Speaker 1: resented her for stepping on toes. She also said she

476
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Speaker 1: hasn't always been upfront with her plans to step into

477
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Speaker 1: other parts of a project where she has where she

478
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Speaker 1: was just hired as the actress, and that she wouldn't

479
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Speaker 1: reveal that I actually need to have authorship in order

480
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Speaker 1: to feel for filled. Sometimes that might have felt like

481
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Speaker 1: a rug being pulled out from under, you know. And

482
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: she admits that, she says, I'll I'll just pretend like

483
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna look cute, and I'll just stand here on

484
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Speaker 1: this mark because I'm the actress and I'm just doing that.

485
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Speaker 1: But really her intent is she wants to be involved

486
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Speaker 1: in the writing and she wants to be involved in

487
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Speaker 1: the costume And all I could think about when I

488
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: watched that video was that is exactly what she did

489
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Speaker 1: with this movie. Her first step was she took over costumes,

490
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Speaker 1: which was not a great step. That is where they

491
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Speaker 1: should have immediately been like, you don't know what you're

492
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Speaker 1: doing with this movie. You need to get your hands

493
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Speaker 1: out of the cookie jar. This wardrobe is a disaster.

494
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Speaker 1: No one reading this book pictured this woman dressing like

495
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Speaker 1: this or looking like this, and that's really where she

496
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Speaker 1: should have been roped back in. But you know what,

497
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Speaker 1: people from this whole scenario from beginning to end, and

498
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Speaker 1: all the text messages and all the complaints and everything

499
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Speaker 1: I've read, it tells a story. And the story is

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Speaker 1: this is a woman and along with Ryan Reynolds, and

501
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Speaker 1: I've said this before or they are surrounded by yes people,

502
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: and that is the problem with them.

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Speaker 3: There is no one like You're a no person, right,

504
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Speaker 3: you are?

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Speaker 1: Like I would say when people are like, oh, you've

506
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: been on TV for a long time, but you really

507
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: haven't changed.

508
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Speaker 3: I have. I can't because my husband tells.

509
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Speaker 1: Me every day that I am not a star, that

510
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Speaker 1: I am not famous, that I am not special, that

511
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Speaker 1: I am a mom.

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Speaker 3: I need to go make some chicken nuggets in the kitchen.

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Speaker 1: You're a civilian. I am a civil person. I am

514
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Speaker 1: a regular person. He tells me that daily, and I

515
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Speaker 1: have remained humble.

516
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Speaker 2: I'm the star.

517
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Speaker 3: Yes, I know, you are the star. I got it.

518
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 3: But the problem with Blake Lively.

519
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Speaker 1: And Ryan Reynolds is that everyone walks on eggshells around them,

520
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: and everyone is a yes person around them.

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Speaker 2: Her attorneys are yes people.

522
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Speaker 3: Yes.

523
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Speaker 4: Her attorneys are like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well we

524
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Speaker 4: got this, we got this, Okay, you know, give us

525
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Speaker 4: a blank check. Right, and then when those attorneys go

526
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Speaker 4: in public and they do the little uh you know,

527
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Speaker 4: press conference, and they say, we will fight this to

528
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Speaker 4: the end. No, we will fight this so long as

529
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Speaker 4: she keeps us and the until they those checks stop coming,

530
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Speaker 4: then we will not.

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Speaker 2: Fight it anymore. And that's all that. That means.

532
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: They don't really whether she's guilty or not. I mean

533
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Speaker 3: they should if she hires them, they should defend her obviously,

534
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: but there it's all about the money.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they're getting paid regardless of whether she has

536
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: a great case or whether she has a crappy case.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it makes no different exactly. You know how

538
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 3: much her bills are because you know they call all

539
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 3: like Lively and Reynolds are like constantly like here's another email,

540
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: here's this now I wanted to mend it.

541
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Speaker 2: When can we do this?

542
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Speaker 4: And you know they're just taking it's going to be

543
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Speaker 4: seven figures like big time.

544
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah absolutely. But here's the thing.

545
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Speaker 1: I don't think she wants to go to trials. So

546
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Speaker 1: how do they get out of this?

547
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Speaker 4: Well, if if you say she has this ego, she

548
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 4: may not settle, but.

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Speaker 1: She's already I have read and I'm sure it's true,

550
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Speaker 1: but allegedly she does not want Brian Friedman to depose her.

551
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Speaker 1: She wants if she has to be deposed, she wants

552
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Speaker 1: someone else. It doesn't work like that. Brian Friedman is

553
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Speaker 1: going to depose.

554
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Speaker 3: Her, and let's talk about depositions really quickly.

555
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 4: But her ego is going to be the death of

556
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Speaker 4: her if it's as you say, and as Kenny Rogers says,

557
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 4: he had no one to fold them, and he got

558
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 4: no one to hold them. Yeah, and she's got a fold.

559
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 4: But when your ego is there, you hold out maybe

560
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 4: just maybe maybe maybe I'll win, Maybe I'll win, and

561
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Speaker 4: then you don't.

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Speaker 1: I just want to talk about just quickly, like depositions.

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Speaker 1: She does not want to be deposed.

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Speaker 3: Well, explain what a deposition is, the basic structure of it.

565
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so basic structure would be Brian Friedman. He

566
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: can't wait to do Discovery. This man is like chomping

567
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Speaker 1: at the bank. He wants to do Discovery right now,

568
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: and he wants to He wants to depose everyone and

569
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Speaker 1: anyone that's on set that has anything to say. The actors,

570
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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, Ryan Reynolds.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this guy's chalking the.

572
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Speaker 2: Deposition, they sit down and they get to do Q

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Speaker 2: and A.

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Speaker 4: They get asked all kinds of questions, right, and the

575
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Speaker 4: questions can be they don't have to just be about

576
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 4: direct evidence, because it could be a question that my

577
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 4: lead to evidence. So they can ask all kinds of

578
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 4: questions about her relationship with Taylor Swift. And then if

579
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 4: she says the wrong thing, then like she starts to

580
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 4: open up the door to certain text messages, then they

581
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 4: might be able to subpoena Taylor Swift's cell phone carriers

582
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Speaker 4: and blah blah blah. So it can get really bad.

583
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 4: And then in work comp when we do depositions, sometimes

584
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 4: like they'll claim like erectile dysfunction, right, And then you're

585
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 4: like that's good because now in the deposition I get

586
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: asked them about all their sex life. And then usually

587
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 4: people are like, I don't want to talk about this

588
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 4: really because you made a complaint, you filed and said

589
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 4: you had ed so I got to figure out, you know,

590
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 4: what gets you off and what doesn't and why it's

591
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 4: not happening. And I'm telling you I've seen people they

592
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 4: ask them really deep because then the person's like, forget it.

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Speaker 3: Forget it, forget it, and they'll either drop it or

594
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: be quick to settle. Right.

595
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Speaker 1: And also in a deposition there isn't a judge there

596
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: where your side can object. The only thing really that

597
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: you can object to is anything has to do with privilege.

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00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: Well, you can object, you can you can object to

599
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 4: hear say and all the regular ones, but they still

600
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 4: have to answer the question. So you object in a

601
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 4: deposition to preserve it for when it goes to court

602
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: to be inadmissible. But so a lot of times when

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00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 4: we've done depositions, like their attorney will be like objection

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00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 4: and then the person's like thinking, oh, I don't have

605
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 4: to answer the question. Their attorney looks a him and goes, no,

606
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 4: you still got to answer the question. They're like what

607
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 4: They're like, no, that's just preserving my objection for court. Right,

608
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 4: So you can get really deep.

609
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Speaker 1: I would want to be a fly on the wall

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Speaker 1: if Brian Friedman has the opportunity.

611
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 4: And they might try to video it.

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Speaker 3: That is true.

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00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: It would be on camera, yes, absolutely, And I don't

614
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Speaker 1: know about media rules with depositions and recording it, but

615
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: knowing Brian Friedman and his concept of transparency, ye, it'll

616
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Speaker 1: be like live stream.

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Speaker 3: On the website.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to move on and we're going to

619
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Speaker 1: talk about a new case because this is a very

620
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: interesting case. A lot of people have been invested in this.

621
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Speaker 1: It is the Karen Reid case. Now Karen Reid is

622
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Speaker 1: going to go on trial again on April first, so

623
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Speaker 1: I wanted to do a quick just synopsis background. Her

624
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: first trial was a hung jury, so she is now

625
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Speaker 1: being retried and she goes a trial on April first.

626
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: So I know that there's going to be a media

627
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: storm around this trial and everybody's going to be invested

628
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: in it. So I wanted to take this time that

629
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Speaker 1: we can do kind of a background into the case,

630
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: the facts, where we're at, so we can all be

631
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: on the same page, so that when it start, the

632
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: trial starts April first, and we can follow it all.

633
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: Right, So what are the charges? It's criminal, right, Yeah.

634
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: So John O'Keefe had been an officer with the Boston

635
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: Police Department for sixteen years when he died January twenty ninth.

636
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: On twenty twenty two, he had been dating Reid. This

637
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: is Karen Reid, and she was an equity analysis at

638
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: Fidelity Investments for two years. According to the Norfolk County

639
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Assistant District Attorney Adam Lawley, troubles in the couple's relationship

640
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: appeared to intensify in the months before O'Keeffe's death, which

641
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: included during a New Year's trip to Aruba. Apparently, there's

642
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: text messages and voicemails that start to show that they

643
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: that their relationship was deteriorating.

644
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: Who are these people? Are they regular people?

645
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: They're just regular people. But he's a he's a police officer.

646
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: And this is his girlfriend, Karen Reid. And I'll tell

647
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: you this case is. People are very invested in this case.

648
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why this. Let me go through

649
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: it in the way.

650
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Speaker 2: What's the crime.

651
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: I'm getting there.

652
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: Just start with the crime.

653
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Speaker 3: I'm just giving you a background of who the people are.

654
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Speaker 1: He's an officer, this is the girlfriend. On January twenty

655
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Speaker 1: eighth and twenty twenty two, Reed's defense lawyer, David Yanetti

656
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: claims that the couple seem fine while they were out

657
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Speaker 1: at a bar in a Boston suburb. They're at out

658
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Speaker 1: at a bar with other current and former law enforcement officers.

659
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Speaker 1: After leaving the bar, Read later told first responders that

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Speaker 1: she had argued with O'Keeffe before dropping him off at

661
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Speaker 1: an after party at the home of Brian Albert, who

662
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: is a now retired Boston sergeant who had also been

663
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: at the bar. The next morning, Reed's lawyers have said

664
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: that she went out looking for her boyfriend.

665
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: She couldn't find him. She wakes up at like four

666
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: in the morning, and she realizes he's not home.

667
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: So he spent the night I know.

668
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: No, he did not spend the night. He got dropped

669
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: off at a party. This is what she claims.

670
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, she.

671
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: Claims that she dropped him off at a party. They

672
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: went to a bar. They're inebriated, they're drinking, she drops

673
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: him off, she's driving. Clearly, she's drove him to a house.

674
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 4: I'm already not believing this story. They went to a

675
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 4: party or a bar or whatever. Yes, I had a

676
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: bunch of drinks, her girlfriend and boyfriend, and then she

677
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: drops him off somewhere. They don't go home together, They

678
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 4: don't spend more time together.

679
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: No, Apparently she drops him off at a home that

680
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: was having an after party and the home is owned

681
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: by a former police officer.

682
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: Okay, and she doesn't go to the party no.

683
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: She leaves and goes home, sure and passes out or whatever.

684
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: Then she wakes up at like four in the morning.

685
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 4: He's already not believable.

686
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: Okay, why can I tell what hydern I even got

687
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: through the facts the case?

688
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: Yelty, Okay, go ahead, sorry.

689
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: Anyway, she wakes up, she realizes that she can't find him.

690
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: He never came home that morning. She she has some

691
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: friend that goes with her. They drive around, they go

692
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: back to the house, and she spots his body outside

693
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: of the home on the morning of January twenty ninth,

694
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: and then one of the women dialed nine to one

695
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: to one.

696
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: Oh, Keith, this is.

697
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 4: Okay, I know I got to ask these questions though,

698
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 4: So she gets her friends says, let's go look for

699
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 4: my boyfriend.

700
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: Yes, okay.

701
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 4: Why is she suspicious the boyfriend's missing because she text

702
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: him and he doesn't respond because he never came home,

703
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 4: so he didn't fall through whatever his routine was, and

704
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 4: he's missing.

705
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: He's missing, so he's not there. So she gets up.

706
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: It's early in the morning.

707
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 4: They drive I need to go get an alibi. So

708
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: she's like, hey, come with me to find my boyfriend.

709
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 4: He's on this lawn over there. Sorry, this is pretty obvious. Okay,

710
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 4: keep going. I don't know why I was ungury Okay,

711
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 4: go ahead, sorry you.

712
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: Are okay, go ahead, Karen read.

713
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: All right, So you got me all confused.

714
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: She went and found him on the lawn or something.

715
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: Yes, at like six am, they called nine to one

716
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: one the police calm, he's pronounced dead. They take him

717
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: to the hospital. He's pronounced dead at seven fifty am.

718
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: At the hospital, the medical examiner attributed his cause of

719
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: death to blunt force trauma to the head. Blunt force

720
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: trauma to.

721
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: The head, trauma to the rest.

722
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, the head, Yes, it could be to like your

723
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: your chest, your Yeah.

724
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 2: If she wants to kill him, she's gonna hit him

725
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: in the head.

726
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: Okay, in hypothermia. So, Reid was charged with manslaughter, motor

727
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: vehicle homicide, and leaving the scene of a deadly crash.

728
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: The prosecution alleges that Reid backed her Lexus SUV into

729
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: O'Keefe outside of the home, causing a skull fracture and

730
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: brain bleed, and that she left him there to die.

731
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, as a prosecution, right, that's a different story.

732
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: Basically, they got into a fight and she's aee breed

733
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: and he's a nee breed, and she's in the car

734
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: and she's pissed off and she backs over him and

735
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: then leaves him there. Okay, story, that's the prosecution story.

736
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: Even though Reid said she dropped O'Keefe off at Albert home,

737
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: the assistant DA said that no one at the after

738
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: party recalled seeing O'Keeffe inside.

739
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: See.

740
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: That was interesting to me because she claims that she

741
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: dropped him off at this house.

742
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 3: There's all these people at a party.

743
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 4: That was one of my first questions, except he kept

744
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: telling me not to ask questions. Was she drops off?

745
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 4: She claims to drop him off at a party where

746
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 4: there's all these witnesses. Ridiculous.

747
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: She was an idiot.

748
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 4: She should have said I dropped him off, like on

749
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 4: the corner where he wanted to walk or something.

750
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 2: Okay, But there's no witnesses.

751
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: Okay.

752
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: So this is where it gets moundy for me, because

753
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: I don't understand why if he went inside the house,

754
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: there's witnesses that can't confirm that he's ever inside this house.

755
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: But of course he didn't go inside the house.

756
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: You don't think he ever went sie?

757
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 4: Sorry, newsflash, No, No, she dumped him on the lawn

758
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 4: at what time, I don't know, after she ran him over.

759
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 4: Whatever she did, she puts him on the lawn at

760
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 4: the party. The party's probably over by now, or she

761
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 4: put them on the lawn hoping someone from the party

762
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 4: would see him. They clearly didn't. And then she grabbed

763
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: her friend as a witness so the friend could testify like, oh,

764
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, we were driving around, we found them,

765
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 4: she didn't touch them.

766
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: Okay, let's get back to the facts.

767
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: I like, how you figure this, figured this whole case

768
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: out before you could.

769
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: Get through it, and I need to be on the jury.

770
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah they was, Yeah, okay, they claim. So people in

771
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: this home claim that they saw the suv pull up

772
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: to the house then leave, and they assumed no one

773
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: from the vehicle was joining them. But vehicle data from

774
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: Reed's suv showed that at twelve forty five am, while

775
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: outside of Albert this is the other police officer at home,

776
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: the Lexus Trevel traveled backward for sixty feet at twenty

777
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: four miles per hour.

778
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: This is what the prosecution played.

779
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 4: Don't realize your car documents a lot. It's called an

780
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 4: OBD two sensor. It's not surprised her that you know,

781
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 4: regulated and all cars have them.

782
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: Does my car know how many times I've been through

783
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: McDonald's drive through? That's what I want to know.

784
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 4: Yes, it senses the egg mcmuffins and it reports it

785
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 4: to me. I have an app, no really, that has

786
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 4: an OBD two sensor and it documents. So if you

787
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 4: hard breaks air bags and a miles per hour, it

788
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 4: can I don't think GPS so much. That might be some,

789
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 4: but that's not required.

790
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: Okay, let me go on with the prosecution side, and

791
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: then we'll get into the defense. The SUV's tail light

792
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: was broken, and pieces of the light from the tail

793
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: light were later found outside of Albert's home.

794
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 4: And tail lights can be very distinctive, like sometimes they

795
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 4: have veins on them and stuff, so they can really

796
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 4: know which tail light, like which car goes to.

797
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: Okay, again, this is just the prosecution, so we're going

798
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: to get to the defense. The forensic testing showed that

799
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: O'Keefe's hair was found on the vehicle's bumper and his

800
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: DNA was found on the tail light. Investigators also found

801
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: the remnants of a cocktail that appears to have been

802
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: build on the bumper.

803
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: The prosecutor said.

804
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: She's built her cocktail. Oh or it probably is, huh.

805
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: O'Keefe was captured on video leaving the bar with a

806
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: cocktail in his hand, and bits of what the prosecutor

807
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: described as a drinking glass were found in the SUV's bumper.

808
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the defense. The defense. Yes,

809
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: there's always a defense. There was a hung jury. There's

810
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: clearly a defense.

811
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: Reed's lawyers developed a theory that Karen Reid did drop

812
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: off O'Keefe at the party, after which O'Keefe got into

813
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: a fight with someone at the party and was attacked

814
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: by the family dog. Because apparently there were scratches all

815
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: over his arms that aren't consistent with someone running over him.

816
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: Reed's defense brought in experts to say that O'Keefe's wounds

817
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: were consistent with a dog bite from a dog the

818
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: size of the one that lived at that home, who

819
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: had a history of biting people. And even if the

820
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: police didn't engage in a cover up, that's what they claimed.

821
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: They claimed because these people at this home were all

822
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: a lot of them were officers. It was at an

823
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: officer's home that this was a police cover up, that

824
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: maybe he got inside the house, he was there. Everybody's drunk.

825
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: He's drunk, he gets in a fight. He has blunt

826
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: forced trauma to the head because he got in a

827
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: fight with somebody.

828
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: Theory as someone else beat him up and killed them.

829
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: Their theory.

830
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they all wanted to cover up because they're men.

831
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: They're all conspiring because they're protecting each other. And that's

832
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: her theory.

833
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that on this phone doesn't have a ring camera

834
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 4: or something. Man, that would solve a lot of problems.

835
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 3: Right at the house. Yeah, aren't there neighbors that have

836
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: a ring camera?

837
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: Like someone's got we've got cameras on this house, Like

838
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: someone's got to have cameras somewhere these days. So this

839
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: is interesting. So the lead investigator in this case texted

840
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: inappropriate comments about Karen Reid to others, to like his

841
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: high school friends, his sister. Three different prosecution witnesses testified

842
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: that at crucial times, including the night of the killing,

843
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: their calls back and forth to each other were inadvertent

844
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: butt dials. So basically, there's these calls between these officers

845
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 1: the night that this happens. But they're saying, oh, these

846
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: were just accidental calls, like They weren't conspiring. They weren't saying,

847
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, hey, we've got to come up with this

848
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: story to say that you know, she ran over him.

849
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: They don't have the content of the call. They just

850
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: have phone logs.

851
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: They just have phone logs, and like one calls a

852
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: couple seconds, the other one's like twenty two seconds. So

853
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, that's the defense saying that they're the.

854
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 4: Calls are probably did you hear that car crash? It's

855
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 4: sound like she ran over someone. What's that tail light

856
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: over there?

857
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: All right?

858
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: So the lead investigator in this case, he's state Trooper

859
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 1: Michael Proctor. He's a Massachusetts State police trooper that led

860
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: the investigation in this car case. No, his name's Proctor,

861
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: Michael Proctor. He's the lead investigator. Oh okay, he's a trooper,

862
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: a police State police trooper. Karen Reid's lawyers said that

863
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: Proctor's investigation was biased, and they accused him of failing

864
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: to pursue other potential suspects and not disclosing his relationship

865
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: with the family, the Albert family, which is where this occurred.

866
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: So he has a relationship with the guy that owns right,

867
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: he's the lead investigator.

868
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: That's a fair that's a fair concern. Right.

869
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: So the defense is saying, look, not only is he's

870
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: sending inappropriate you know text that have to do with

871
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: this case. He called her a like a whack job,

872
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 1: and he said he texted.

873
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: Like sure, he called her all kinds of things.

874
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he also said like when he was.

875
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: Going through a killer called her that.

876
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: Well, he called her a whack job.

877
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: He also made reference to like going through her phone

878
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: and saying, oh, I couldn't find any news.

879
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I agree with the arguments biased and

880
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 4: it's a conflict of interests that doesn't negate my findings.

881
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 4: She's guilty.

882
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: You're so convinced she's.

883
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 4: Gold, right, they definitely you definitely need someone more neutral, right,

884
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: And that's a shame, Okay.

885
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: So in her first trial, So during this is Michael

886
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: Proctor again.

887
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 2: Wait when was the first trial?

888
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: So this trial, her.

889
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: First trial took place in twenty twenty four, So Michael

890
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: Proctor again, he is the lead investigator. And during his

891
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: testimony during the trial, Proctor read through a text conversation

892
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: that he had with a group of friends he'd known

893
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: since childhood on the evening of January twenty ninth, which

894
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: is the day O'Keefe died. After some discussion, a friend

895
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: wrote back, in this text, this group text, I'm sure

896
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: the owner of the house will receive some shit. Proctor responded, Nope,

897
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: the homeowner is a Boston cop too, So he's saying

898
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: in this text message, this guy doesn't anything to worry

899
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: about because he's a Boston cop, basically implying that he's

900
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: going to be protected.

901
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 3: So this came out during the trial.

902
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: He also told his friend that read waffled O'Keefe waffled.

903
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: I guess that means just is that like literal? Like

904
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: it looked like a waffle.

905
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: I don't know what mean.

906
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: That's what he said.

907
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 3: Verb it is now waffle is a verb? He waffled,

908
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: or she waffled.

909
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: O'Keefe's body, who was banged up and he saw it

910
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: at the hospital. When a friend asked, is she hot?

911
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: At least, Proctor replied, from all accounts, he didn't do

912
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: anything wrong. She's a whack job.

913
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 3: Then spelled out a vulgar word for a woman, which

914
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: we can all guess what that vulgar word is. It

915
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: starts with the sea, ends in a cat. Yes, cat,

916
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 3: I love that your micros.

917
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: Read's attorney objected and said, these are your words, and

918
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: then the judge said, these are your words, Trooper Proctor,

919
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: and he had him say the C word out loud,

920
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: which it's not cat, it's the cun t word. Proctor continued,

921
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: She's a babe weird fall River accent, though then added

922
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: a disparaging comment about her rear. So clearly this is

923
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: the lead investigator. He's making He's there's these text messages

924
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: where he's completely inappropriate. He's talking about how because the

925
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: guy who owned the house where this where this death occurred,

926
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: that he won't be in any trouble because he's a

927
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: Boston police officer. So basically that's enough for it. Now

928
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: this guy has to go to these disciplinary hearings. Yeah,

929
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: and he's removed from the case. He's been to two

930
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: disciplinary hearings. He has another hearing on March thirteenth, so

931
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: we'll see what happened.

932
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: A quick question, so, as a hung jury, do we

933
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 4: know how many voted or how they casted theirs?

934
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, But what came out later was that

935
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: the jury was unanimous on two of the counts, but

936
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: that was not made public, and I don't think the

937
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: judge do that. So what what her defense is trying

938
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: to do now currently is to get those two charges

939
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: dismissed because during that original trial, he's saying, throw those

940
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: two charges out because the jury was unanimous that she

941
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: wasn't guilty on those two charges.

942
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 4: When they have a second trial, because there's a little

943
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 4: bit of tainting on this investigation, I do agree that

944
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 4: it's unfortunately biased. Whether it affected the investigation or not,

945
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 4: it's still not a good look. Do they have a

946
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 4: new investigator, do they do anything different or do they

947
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 4: present the same evidence?

948
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that is a very good question,

949
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,479
Speaker 1: and that is something that we'll have to talk about

950
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: again when this trial starts April first.

951
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 3: How they're going to proceed for.

952
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 4: I always think I don't I don't have the experience,

953
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 4: but I certainly a second trial after Hungary is always

954
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 4: a little weird because they do it's a different delivery. Yeah, well,

955
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 4: when you almost should just get a new jury and

956
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 4: just have them watch the trial the original trials. They've

957
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 4: the can come up with a different response. I don't know,

958
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 4: because sometimes it happens. I've read in cases they can't

959
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 4: recall the top of my head. But the second case, well,

960
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 4: the second trial will not have this evidence. Oh it

961
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 4: was the Menendez one.

962
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

963
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 4: It was like, I G that was you that I

964
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 4: was talking about that I was trying to say.

965
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, the second trial and Mendez was

966
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: completely different.

967
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: It's terrible, it's completely different.

968
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't allow like ninety percent of the evidence

969
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: or the testimony to add to do with the alleged

970
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: abuse and all that.

971
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: Well that's one reason why.

972
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's the risk you take with the jury.

973
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 4: But with a judge, you'll never have a.

974
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 3: Hung jury, hung judge, no, you won't. Not to be

975
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: taken out of context, right exactly, Okay, all right.

976
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: So on June twenty eighth, twenty twenty four, this is

977
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: during her first trial, juror sent a note to Judge

978
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: Canoni telling her that they are deadlocked. The judge responded

979
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: that she did not believe that they had deliberated long

980
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: enough and asked them to continue trying to reach a verdict. Then,

981
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: on July first, twenty twenty four, the jury sent another

982
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: note to the judge for a second time, telling her

983
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: that they are unable to reach an unanimous verdict. The

984
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 1: jury said they are deeply divided, and the judge asked

985
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: them to return for one final round of deliberations. Later

986
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: in the day, a mistrial was declared due to the

987
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: hung jury. Hours after the mistrial was declared, Massachusetts State

988
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: Police announced that Trooper Michael Proctor, the lead investigator in

989
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: the case, has been relieved of duty.

990
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: So he's removed.

991
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we're going to.

992
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 3: Get to the retrials.

993
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: So the state's top court ruled that Karen Reid can

994
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: be retried on all the same charges and the death

995
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: of her Boston Police officer boyfriend. Prosecutors have sought to

996
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: retry Read this year on charges of second degree murder, manslaughter,

997
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: and leaving the scene of a crime. So Karen Reid's attorney,

998
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: Martin Weinberg, argued that five jurors later said that they

999
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: were deadlocked only on the manslaughter count and that they

1000
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: had unanimously agreed in the jury room that she was

1001
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: not guilty of the charges of second degree murder and

1002
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: leaving the scene, but they had they had never divulged

1003
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: that to the judge.

1004
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 4: I don't have the experience, but the whole hung jury

1005
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 4: and a second trial, second jury, it just never sat right.

1006
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: With me, it's like and then when the judges and

1007
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: I get that they they're not doing the wrong thing.

1008
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 4: But when they're like, no, go back in there and

1009
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: figure it out, because it's kind of like, oh, you're honor.

1010
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 4: Six of us, you know, think he's guilty and the

1011
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 4: other six don't. Oh well, go back in there until

1012
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 4: you change your minds. I mean, it's it's just and

1013
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 4: then you get a second jury. And then in this case,

1014
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 4: I get the argument which is like, look, you know,

1015
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 4: a jury of his peers, her peers has found out

1016
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 4: that she's not guilty on these two things, so they

1017
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 4: shouldn't be retried. I totally get that, But then you're

1018
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 4: can have a different jury talking about different It's just

1019
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 4: so flippant, and I.

1020
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: Don't like that. But I know that, you know, I

1021
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: don't know what the answer would be.

1022
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: So so Weinberg argued and the appeal that trying her

1023
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: again would amount to double jeopardy and urge the court

1024
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: to allow on evidentiary hearing where jurors could be asked

1025
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: whether they had reached final not guilty verdicts on any.

1026
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 3: Of the charges.

1027
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 4: That's right, double jeopardy because if they're found if a

1028
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 4: jury found them not guilty, found her not guilty on

1029
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 4: two things, and they say, okay, yeah, but we're gonna

1030
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 4: go have a net. We're going to charge you again, right,

1031
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 4: We're going to prosecute you again, right on the same

1032
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 4: because double jeopardy is on the same set of facts

1033
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 4: and the same crime, not just the same crime, the

1034
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 4: same set of facts. And in this case there are

1035
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 4: no new real facts as to the alleged crime.

1036
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: So she's going to go back to trial again on ape. Well, first,

1037
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they've determined whether she's going to be

1038
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: retried on all three charges or just on the one.

1039
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: I think that that is still the one being aslaughter,

1040
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: the one being manslaughter.

1041
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 4: I find out in due time. Yes, how old is

1042
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 4: Karen read by the way, how old are these people?

1043
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 3: Well? Do you want to know if she's hot and what?

1044
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 4: But I also I just want to know what they're like, like,

1045
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 4: do they have kids? How loo they've been together?

1046
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: Is this a crime of passion?

1047
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 1: It is? Right, Well, it's a crime of alcohol too. Well,

1048
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: that's what happens when everybody.

1049
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's crime passion, but it was

1050
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 4: between two lovers, two lovers.

1051
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, so she's going to go back to trial

1052
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: April first. But the judges ruled that she's going to

1053
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: go back and they're going to deliberate all three charges,

1054
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: even though there was evidence that jurors came forward and

1055
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: said that there was a unanimous.

1056
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 4: Argument that double jeopardy was overridden by the judge. Yeah, so,

1057
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 4: which is interesting. That's interesting. So what we learn, we

1058
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 4: think we learn is it's all or nothing. If we're

1059
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 4: going to retry the case, We're going to try it all.

1060
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 4: But it would go the other way around too. They

1061
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 4: found her guilty on certain charges and not guilty and

1062
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 4: hung on other charges. Again, they would throw it all

1063
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: out and have to start all over.

1064
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: The problem is is that I don't think the jury

1065
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: that might get appealed.

1066
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: The jury did not.

1067
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: I guess the jury wasn't forthcoming and what they were

1068
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 1: unanimous on. They just basically were like, we just can't

1069
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 1: come to a decision on all three. And then later

1070
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: it was determined that they did actually come to a

1071
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: decision on two. But I guess at this point in time,

1072
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't retroactively apply, and she has to be retried

1073
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: on all three counts again starting April first, which we

1074
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: will follow, So make sure that you continue to listen

1075
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: to the podcast because we're going to follow the Karen

1076
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: Reid trial, which I think will be really interesting.

1077
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 2: Question.

1078
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 4: Yes, during all this time, is she in custody or

1079
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 4: is she out on bail?

1080
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: That's what I want to know.

1081
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 3: Okay, So she's out.

1082
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 4: On bail, okay.

1083
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: And they were dating for two years and she is

1084
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: forty four, So those are your and you can google

1085
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: an image of her so that you can see what

1086
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: she looks like. All right, So there you go. That's

1087
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: a little brief. I know that if a lot of

1088
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: you followed the care and read trial, I know that

1089
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: there was a lot more involved. There were like seventy

1090
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: witnesses or something.

1091
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 4: I just looked her up guilty, Okay.

1092
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: So I understand that there's a lot more details. However,

1093
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: we wanted to do a brief overview just so that

1094
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: we could all kind of be on the same page,

1095
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Speaker 1: that we all have a basic understanding of what happened

1096
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Speaker 1: and where we're at, so that we can follow this

1097
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Speaker 1: starting on April first. So again, thank you guys so

1098
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Speaker 1: much for all the amazing feedback. So many of you

1099
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Speaker 1: have reached out and said that you enjoy listening. Also,

1100
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Speaker 1: you find Shane funny. I appreciate that Shane appreciates that

1101
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Speaker 1: I do all the work and Shane is the sidekick

1102
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Speaker 1: that asked the questions. But a lot of you say

1103
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Speaker 1: that you enjoy it because he asked the questions that

1104
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Speaker 1: you are thinking. So we appreciate the positive feedback. And

1105
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Speaker 1: just to let you know, we're going to release episodes

1106
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Speaker 1: every two weeks, so that is the plan going forward.

1107
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Speaker 1: So again, thank you so much for listening and we

1108
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Speaker 1: will see you next time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you bye people.

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