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Speaker 1: the back a lot of pressure. Yes, Marvin is here
Speaker 1: as well. Paulie yours truly and the back room guys.
Speaker 1: Last night, that was a homework assignment. The Vikings over
Speaker 1: the Bears. The Vikings now twelve and two. The Bears
Speaker 1: dropped to four and ten. The Falcons won, but if
Speaker 1: you're a Falcon fan, I don't think that felt like
Speaker 1: a victory. You're now seven and seven. They're very comfortable.
Speaker 2: It feels like with seven wins, haven't they had seven
Speaker 2: wins the previous three seasons. The Raiders now two and twelve,
Speaker 2: and thankfully they didn't screw it up and win a game.
Speaker 2: But two and twelve, still in line to get the
Speaker 2: number one overall pick. But fifteen to nine the ending score,
Speaker 2: Falcons over the Raiders. News the Lions lost their workhorse
Speaker 2: running back David Montgomery looks like he's done for the year.
Speaker 2: A couple of colleges looking at Michael Vick that came
Speaker 2: out of nowhere Norfolk State and Sacramento State looking at
Speaker 2: Michael Vick. We'll have more on that coming up, but
Speaker 2: tonight it's the Cup. That's all Fritzy's been talking about.
Speaker 2: It's the Cup.
Speaker 3: It's a big deal.
Speaker 2: The bucks and the thunder for the Cup.
Speaker 4: Comes down to this.
Speaker 2: Yes it does. There's a lot of money at stake
Speaker 2: as well. Ratings are down with the NBA, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if you can pinpoint a reason. I always
Speaker 2: go back to if they don't care, I don't care.
Speaker 2: I think load management has turned people away. I don't
Speaker 2: know if we're glued to a TV set going I
Speaker 2: can't wait to watch that game, and even if you do,
Speaker 2: you don't even know who's playing. But ratings have declined,
Speaker 2: and I know they try to spice it up with
Speaker 2: the Cup in season tournament, not enticing me if you say, hey,
Speaker 2: we're gonna have, you know, put some money at stake here,
Speaker 2: So wait a minute. They don't really try hard, but
Speaker 2: now they're really going to try hard. Therefore now I
Speaker 2: should watch. That doesn't work with me. I love the NBA,
Speaker 2: grown up with the NBA, but there are times when
Speaker 2: I go, I don't care you don't care. And that's
Speaker 2: the feeling I've gotten. Actually it's you don't care the players.
Speaker 2: I don't care either, but I'll watch you. I would
Speaker 2: watch anyway. It's a good game, but just because it's
Speaker 2: for the Cup. And I know Rob Manfred has gotten
Speaker 2: roughed up a little bit in the media. A lot
Speaker 2: of people say, what are you talking about with this
Speaker 2: goldenet bat? Where you can use that anytime you want.
Speaker 2: Maybe I've Aaron Judge, you know, he gets the bat
Speaker 2: twice in an inning and people will go, what, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, the purity of the game, what are you doing? Okay,
Speaker 2: we're past that. This is about getting eyeballs. And this
Speaker 2: is what Adam Silver is going to have to do.
Speaker 2: At some point, he's going to have to take a swing.
Speaker 2: He's going to have to have a Goldenet bat. He's
Speaker 2: going to have to have something that is interesting, intriguing, different,
Speaker 2: a tune in factor.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: They've tried to do this with the basketball courts, and
Speaker 2: I'm fine with it. You know, you're looking for a
Speaker 2: younger audience. I get it. But maybe we add something
Speaker 2: to those colorful courts. You know, maybe there's a blinking
Speaker 2: three point line. Maybe there's something inside. Like I was
Speaker 2: told during the pandemic, and I was told by a
Speaker 2: great source that the NBA was looking at creating courts
Speaker 2: that would resemble pinball machines so it would be a
Speaker 2: little bit more live.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: I know it sounds gimmicky, but I think you've got
Speaker 2: to get to the point where can we keep up?
Speaker 2: Can we keep our place in the sports landscape here?
Speaker 2: Because we've seen sports that just fall off horse racing, boxing,
Speaker 2: they fall off baseball, that was America's pastime, fell off
Speaker 2: the NBA. They're kind of trying to hold on for
Speaker 2: dear life. The NFL is just bulldozing everybody. I get that,
Speaker 2: But you can still maintain your place at least you
Speaker 2: hope to on the sports ladder. But you know, the
Speaker 2: NFL is up all the way at the top, and
Speaker 2: then you got people down the totem pole here. What
Speaker 2: are you going to do? What are you going to
Speaker 2: do when Lebron leaves? What are you going to do
Speaker 2: Lebron steph k d leave? Are you going to go
Speaker 2: and trust the game with the joker? Luca Jannis? Great players,
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame players. But then you got guys like
Speaker 2: John Morant, you can't trust him. Wonderful talent, can't trust him.
Speaker 2: Zion Williamson reportedly, you know available if you want to
Speaker 2: trade for him. So you're looking at what is the future.
Speaker 2: You know, Cooper Flag coming in like there's always going
Speaker 2: to be you know, fresh blood in there. The question
Speaker 2: is who is a tune in factor person. The WNBA
Speaker 2: struck gold they got Caitlin Clark. The NBA needs somebody
Speaker 2: somebody like that. And I think this is where Adam
Speaker 2: Silver is going to have to, you know, have a
Speaker 2: golden it back type thing of swinging for some things
Speaker 2: and trying some new things. Remember with baseball, the pitch clock,
Speaker 2: Oh god, the base is going to be a little
Speaker 2: bit larger. H Nobody complains about him. Now, we actually
Speaker 2: had guys who stole bases. Games were quicker, like there
Speaker 2: seemed to be more movement in the game. He's trying,
Speaker 2: and I think that's what you want, you know, football,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what they do. This commissioner can't screw
Speaker 2: it up. Hey, we're going to do this to the kickoff. Now,
Speaker 2: imagine if we were doing this years ago, where we said, hey,
Speaker 2: this is what we're doing. Even you can't touch a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Imagine if we did that years ago. Oh, what's the
Speaker 2: game devolved in? I don't want to watch this. Put
Speaker 2: a skirt on him. Now we're like, no, you got
Speaker 2: to protect them. You got to protect my homes. Mantua
Speaker 2: the kickoff like aesthetically when you watch it, it's still
Speaker 2: weird to see you're just standing there, you know, like
Speaker 2: you know, you're guarding the queen, just standing there until
Speaker 2: and gout and then you you know, it's really silly looking.
Speaker 2: But the NFL can do no wrong. Hey, we're going
Speaker 2: to outsoort, We're sending games out of the country they do. Hey,
Speaker 2: we're going to have you play three games in eleven days, okay,
Speaker 2: can't do any wrong, doubleheaders on Monday. You know we're
Speaker 2: like yeah, okay. But I think with the NBA, I
Speaker 2: think we're going to have to start looking and going, okay,
Speaker 2: where are we going? What is the future of the NBA?
Speaker 2: And you got ask these hard questions. We see what's
Speaker 2: happening in college football, like it happened quick and it's
Speaker 2: still evolving, and that's what you have to be able
Speaker 2: to get ahead of, you know, these kind of decisions
Speaker 2: or these seismic shifts that you have in sports. Crazy,
Speaker 2: but I think that's what the NBA. They're gonna have
Speaker 2: to have one of those what ifs. Hey, there's no
Speaker 2: bad ideas here. Let's just put stuff out there and
Speaker 2: see what can we do.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: The first thing I would say is I want to
Speaker 2: know who's playing. That's it. Are you playing? But don't
Speaker 2: tell me, Hey, they're playing for money. Now, if you
Speaker 2: said the Bucks in Thunder had to put in their
Speaker 2: own money. Today in the middle of the court, commissioner
Speaker 2: brings a wheelbarrow out and says, they're playing for this money,
Speaker 2: and the Bucks and the Thunder put up the money. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's interesting, not going to happen. But just because they're
Speaker 2: playing for money doesn't mean anything to me. I want
Speaker 2: you to play hard, not hey, we're playing hard because
Speaker 2: we can get some money. I've don't do anything for
Speaker 2: me other than I guess they're really trying. Now. It's
Speaker 2: like Baseball tried back with the All Star Game and
Speaker 2: Fox goes, nobody's watching the All Star Game? How about
Speaker 2: home field advantage for the World Series? Silly idea, But
Speaker 2: they were trying. I'd rather have that commissioner who's trying
Speaker 2: to do something Now. I don't want change for the
Speaker 2: sake of change, but I do want ideas, and I
Speaker 2: think we're not beholding to records anymore. It's not like
Speaker 2: you go, oh my god, you've got the bases larger. Well,
Speaker 2: that's not the same with Ricky Henderson. We got all that.
Speaker 2: I get that, but I think you got to try.
Speaker 2: You got to be experimental or willing to be flexible there.
Speaker 2: Because our attention span is getting shorter and shorter, you're
Speaker 2: gonna flip through. It used to be you would just watch. Well,
Speaker 2: now you really have to give me a reason why
Speaker 2: I'm watching this game. I'd like that the Bucks, Jannis
Speaker 2: and Dame are playing well, and Doc Rivers seems like
Speaker 2: he's going to keep his job. Okay, the Thunder when
Speaker 2: they get cheded Holmgren back. You know, Sga is a
Speaker 2: really talented player. Not enough for me to tune in
Speaker 2: for that, and I love basketball, So I do think
Speaker 2: the NBA will have to look at some thing. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if you start to hear, hey, they're
Speaker 2: considering this, or they'll float it out, They'll leak it
Speaker 2: in the media and saying, hey, we're thinking about this
Speaker 2: what and then all of a sudden we discuss it.
Speaker 6: Yes, Martin, Yeah, I would have lost some money because
Speaker 6: if we had made a bet at the end of
Speaker 6: last year's playoffs, I would have said, Anthony Edwards is
Speaker 6: the guy you have to hit your wagon to, just
Speaker 6: because they had such a great run in the playoffs
Speaker 6: and he's such a great personality.
Speaker 3: And I don't know what.
Speaker 2: I don't I mean, once again, I don't go all
Speaker 2: the Timberwolves are playing. I'm going to tune in, but
Speaker 2: if I do tune in, I know that he'll stand out.
Speaker 2: They're above five hundred. But the Lakers, the Lakers, you
Speaker 2: know that roster is not a winning roster. You know
Speaker 2: they're an eight seed team. It feels like but Lebron's
Speaker 2: going to be done in a year, Steph in maybe
Speaker 2: two years, KD a couple then then what I mean,
Speaker 2: these are all first ballot Hall of Famers, top fifteen
Speaker 2: players of all time. Trying to get guys nowadays who
Speaker 2: are going to play, want to play win championships. The
Speaker 2: fact that Zion is available right now. I mean, the Pelicans,
Speaker 2: they almost had it, they almost did, and now they
Speaker 2: don't have anything. They're terrible. They're in last place. Zion
Speaker 2: couldn't miss. He's gonna be a star. I don't even
Speaker 2: know if he wants to play. I don't know how
Speaker 2: much it matters to him. John Moran's got everything until
Speaker 2: he doesn't have anything. Anthony Edwards can be wonderful, but
Speaker 2: what did it come down to in the Olympics, those
Speaker 2: same three old guys. Joker's great, but he's just great
Speaker 2: to watch. So I don't know. I think the NBA
Speaker 2: has got a challenge here ahead of them because the
Speaker 2: last ten years the ratings have been going down steadily,
Speaker 2: a steady decline, and this year not good either. And
Speaker 2: who has the philosophy of a sport where you go, Hey,
Speaker 2: our season starts in October, but wait till Christmas and
Speaker 2: then we're gonna have some really good games. I'm going
Speaker 2: to take a couple of months off. It's not a
Speaker 2: great game plan for me if you're the commissioner. Hey,
Speaker 2: this season starts Christmas Day. I think we all feel
Speaker 2: that way. That's what he was trying to do this
Speaker 2: with the NBA Cup. It's about the Cup, Todd.
Speaker 3: It's the Cup tonight. Fucks thunder for it all. For
Speaker 3: some of it, not all of it.
Speaker 6: The Cup, yes, Marvin, and the NBA isn't even more
Speaker 6: trouble because the NFL's like, no, no, no, we got Christmas.
Speaker 2: Yes, they roped them up too, like.
Speaker 6: That was their primetime. Hey, guys, the seasons here are
Speaker 6: big matchups. We got five great games with ten great teams.
Speaker 6: And NFL is like, I guess you.
Speaker 2: Know, you know what the NFL said, Hey, we're gonna
Speaker 2: have our guys play on like two days rest. You
Speaker 2: guys have for it. Sure you want to play football
Speaker 2: and Christmas be away from the family. Sure, yeah, Paulie.
Speaker 7: I think after listening to everything you just said, what
Speaker 7: really stands out to me is the NFL is always
Speaker 7: pushing it and feeling more intense and playing more games,
Speaker 7: and their players are playing Nobody sits out as a
Speaker 7: healthy scratch. What bothers me about the NBA, And for
Speaker 7: listening you talk about this for the past few minutes,
Speaker 7: the games lack intensity no matter. They have star power.
Speaker 7: They have lots of star power, a lot of recognizable names.
Speaker 7: When I tune into a game, I watch guys running
Speaker 7: up and down, jacking threes and running back down and
Speaker 7: jacking threes and that's what it happens for about two hours.
Speaker 7: There's very little intensity. I don't need fighting or punching,
Speaker 7: but intensity of the game they feel. The games feel casual,
Speaker 7: especially the first half.
Speaker 5: Of the season.
Speaker 2: I watched the Knicks and the Hawks the other night,
Speaker 2: and I watched most of the game and really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: There was a feel to it, but that's because the
Speaker 2: Trey Young in the Garden against the Knicks, and that
Speaker 2: is this standalone game. I'm not saying you're going to
Speaker 2: get that all the time, but I'd like a little
Speaker 2: bit more of that where it feels like it really
Speaker 2: means something to the players, and it just feels like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, we're going to work, gotta go out there.
Speaker 2: I got to play, you know, about thirty four minutes
Speaker 2: and then we're on to the next game. I shoot
Speaker 2: a couple threes and then that's it. It doesn't feel
Speaker 2: and maybe there's too many games. We talked about that,
Speaker 2: but once again, I'm not beholden to the records the
Speaker 2: way I once was. I don't know if the American
Speaker 2: public is either, but I do think you're going to
Speaker 2: need a commissioner, and this commercial commissioner is a very
Speaker 2: bright man to maybe start to look at things, and
Speaker 2: I think the courts that kind of had a shock
Speaker 2: value to it. You're like, whoa, what's this? Okay, do
Speaker 2: you want to do that all season long?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Like what the All Star Game is not worth tuning into?
Speaker 2: Now we're tuning into what the three point shooting contest?
Speaker 2: But we're bringing in the WNBA with the NBA and okay,
Speaker 2: you're trying. They can't do anything with the All Star
Speaker 2: Game unless it's the United States against you know, everybody
Speaker 2: else in the world. Maybe that would be interesting. I
Speaker 2: just don't know if you'd have the depth. You probably
Speaker 2: have five or six really really good players from around
Speaker 2: the around the world, and then it would be a
Speaker 2: drastic fall off there. All right, we'll get started here.
Speaker 2: Got a pull question, Yes, Paul, we.
Speaker 7: May have to play an impromptu good idea bad idea
Speaker 7: later today where we say what we would give an
Speaker 7: idea to Commissioner Silver. Hmm, Like, let's say, like you said,
Speaker 7: there's no bad ideas, all hands on deck.
Speaker 2: Well, he has, you know, to his credit, he has
Speaker 2: enacted some of the things I proposed to him, and
Speaker 2: that is you must play a certain number of games
Speaker 2: to qualify for postseason awards. And I think that that
Speaker 2: does help. Like you know, you almost have to dangle
Speaker 2: a carrot and say, come on, you gotta play, gotta play.
Speaker 2: And we took away from the positions on first, second,
Speaker 2: third team. He did that as well. Those are two
Speaker 2: things I asked him to do. Basketball's position lests take
Speaker 2: him off, you know, first, second, third team, and let's
Speaker 2: have a requirement of to be eligible for postseason honors,
Speaker 2: you got to play in a certain number of games.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't be that way, but that's what it is.
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Speaker 2: He is Maurice Jones, Drew, NFL network analyst, RAMS Radio
Speaker 2: color analyst and former NFL running back. Good to see
Speaker 2: you again, Good to have you on the program. How
Speaker 2: threatening are the vikings? Mojo?
Speaker 5: Well first and foremost, Dan, great to be back. Second,
Speaker 5: No jaguars Lander will be allowed while I'm on here.
Speaker 5: No more jaguars Lander. We've had enough. Okay, okay, We've
Speaker 5: had enough. Stat of the day, you know, unless it
Speaker 5: is positive we don't want to talk anything negative about
Speaker 5: the Jags, all right. Stat of the day was a
Speaker 5: little that was a little tough for me to hear
Speaker 5: you say that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've learned my lesson. I'll try to be nice.
Speaker 2: Let me see if I can find something nicer. How
Speaker 2: about what I was gonna say.
Speaker 5: It's okay. We can move on, you know, you know,
Speaker 5: Jags near and dear to our hearts here and the
Speaker 5: Jones Drew household. Been a tough season, but we can
Speaker 5: move forward.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't have this one. The Raiders have trailed
Speaker 2: by double digits in all fourteen games this season.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that doesn't That doesn't help either. That doesn't help.
Speaker 5: But we're going the wrong way. Let's talk about the Vikings.
Speaker 2: Okay, how threatening are the Vikings to me?
Speaker 5: I think the Vikings when Sam Darnold is playing the
Speaker 5: way he's playing, they can beat anyone, especially in the
Speaker 5: in the NFC North. Now with Detroit going through all
Speaker 5: those injuries, and I know Dan Campbell's fired up about
Speaker 5: the the challenge that will be for his team. But
Speaker 5: in the NFL, it's about the Krim, Dela Krim. It's
Speaker 5: about the talent that you have on that roster, and
Speaker 5: miss is so many guys that they have right now
Speaker 5: on defense, David Montgomery out for the season. Uh, that's
Speaker 5: gonna be tough to overcome. And I'm not saying they
Speaker 5: can't do it. But the way the Vikings are playing,
Speaker 5: they're my favor right now to win the NFC North.
Speaker 2: What would you do with Sam Darnold's contract moving forward?
Speaker 5: I would I would actually sign Sam to a two
Speaker 5: to three year deal, continue to let JJ McCarthy sit
Speaker 5: and learn, very similar to what kind of the Packers
Speaker 5: do with Jordan Love. Uh. If Sam co continue to
Speaker 5: play this way, I think the Vikings have a great
Speaker 5: chance to contain to build a roster with him and
Speaker 5: then obviously move on from him in a year, two years,
Speaker 5: and then put JJ McCarthy in there. And you're reading
Speaker 5: a role you got to you had a winner, So
Speaker 5: to me, I think they put themselves in a position
Speaker 5: out Let me be honest. I wasn't a believer in
Speaker 5: Sam Donald. I don't think many were because of what
Speaker 5: he did in New York and I know he played
Speaker 5: better in Carolina. I know he sat with the Niners,
Speaker 5: but what we saw from him as a full starter
Speaker 5: in New York was tough to watch right, a lot
Speaker 5: of turnovers, a lot of mistakes being made. But kudos
Speaker 5: to him for working on himself, working on his game
Speaker 5: and going into Minnesota into a situation where you have
Speaker 5: a lot of weapons around you, and he's really taking
Speaker 5: advantage of this opportunity. So to me, he's earned the
Speaker 5: right to play again next year, especially being what where
Speaker 5: they're twelve and two right now and you have a
Speaker 5: chance to win the North. To me, that's a huge
Speaker 5: accomplishment for not only does the Vikings organization, but for
Speaker 5: Sam himself.
Speaker 2: Pritty give Mojo the pole question.
Speaker 4: The pole question is which NFL franchise feels like it
Speaker 4: is in the worst shape? Bears, Giants, Anthers, Raiders, Browns, Jaguars, Titans.
Speaker 4: What in that group, who's in the worst shape moving forward?
Speaker 5: You know, again, I told you no Jaguars Lander my mistake,
Speaker 5: so you didn't have to put them in there. Also,
Speaker 5: Brian Callahan is a great friend of mine, and slander.
Speaker 5: I feel like that franchise is on the rise, that
Speaker 5: they have a good defense, they're rolling. To me, it
Speaker 5: has to be the Giants, and the reason being is
Speaker 5: you let go of I want to say two or
Speaker 5: three players in free agency that are playing well for
Speaker 5: the McKinney in Green Bay obviously Saquon and Philly, and
Speaker 5: I wanted to say there was another player that's actually
Speaker 5: playing really well that they let go of free agency.
Speaker 5: You just can't let talent hit free agency and not
Speaker 5: bring them back. You just can't do that. And a
Speaker 5: lot of that was because they paid Daniel Jones a
Speaker 5: ton of money. Now you let you you let him go, right,
Speaker 5: And now you're sitting there in disarray trying to figure
Speaker 5: out what's going on. Another tough season for them. And
Speaker 5: what makes it worse for me is that they did
Speaker 5: the offseason hard knocks and the way they were talking
Speaker 5: about their players right, and that to me just is
Speaker 5: this kind of like, I don't know. Now, Yes, the
Speaker 5: Browns have a tough situation. I think all those teams
Speaker 5: are in pretty follow tile situations. But to me, the
Speaker 5: Giants just how it went about it, what it looked
Speaker 5: like from the outside, and then getting a peak on
Speaker 5: the inside and it looked exactly what we thought it
Speaker 5: was going to look like, and then the season you have,
Speaker 5: it just doesn't work well for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really surprised that they allowed those behind
Speaker 2: the scenes phone calls and you have the you know,
Speaker 2: the GM talking to Saquon Barkley, and it just it
Speaker 2: was embarrassing because I mean, not having you know, read
Speaker 2: the room, understand what you're saying. You're saying it on
Speaker 2: TV cameras and you're basically saying to Saquon Barkley, Yeah,
Speaker 2: go ahead and see if somebody likes you, but you know,
Speaker 2: come back to us and let us know. Man, I'd
Speaker 2: be out the door be like, nope, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to look back on this.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, shout out to the scout too, or the
Speaker 5: one of the personnel people were like, are you sure
Speaker 5: you want to do this? Right? He was there to
Speaker 5: make sure, like are you sure you want to let
Speaker 5: saque walk? And they were kind of like, yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 5: we're not going to pay a quarterback for thirty million
Speaker 5: dollars to turn around and hand off to a thirteen
Speaker 5: million dollar back Like, well, guess what, Philly is more
Speaker 5: than happy to do that. And you know, to be
Speaker 5: quite honest, he shouldn't be. He should be paid ten
Speaker 5: times that amount to what he's done for Philadelphia in
Speaker 5: their offense. Right in a situation where he won them
Speaker 5: a couple of games while guys are heard and he's
Speaker 5: been the focal point of that offense. He needs to
Speaker 5: go back. You know, if it's me and I'm I'm
Speaker 5: glad I'm not his agent, because we'd be going back
Speaker 5: to the table, Sir. I'd be knocking on the door,
Speaker 5: like we need a couple a little bit more of
Speaker 5: this pie that you got going around here, you know.
Speaker 2: Maurice Jones Drew, NFL network analyst, I don't know if
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins is your friend, but I have to ask you,
Speaker 2: is it time to bench Kirk Cousins in Atlanta?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Okay, So this is the thing we had this conversation.
Speaker 5: I do a show every Monday for the people in
Speaker 5: the UK and Ireland for NFL, and it's we do
Speaker 5: a Monday night show. We talk about it, like, Kurt
Speaker 5: is a great guy. He's great in the locker room,
Speaker 5: but you can't continue to earn the ball over at
Speaker 5: the rate he turned the ball over. And to me,
Speaker 5: I believe, look, if you want to if you're fighting
Speaker 5: for this spot and you want to win, and maybe
Speaker 5: you feel like, hey, Michael Pennix is a ready yet
Speaker 5: or I gotta go see that. I can't sit back
Speaker 5: and have this guy and I throw a touchdown for
Speaker 5: what four or five weeks, continue to lose games that
Speaker 5: are winnable games and put us in a position where
Speaker 5: where we're not playing well. Now, he does do a
Speaker 5: great job off of play action pass, but they've been
Speaker 5: in some drop back passing situations where he's just made
Speaker 5: bad decisions. And to be quite frank with you, I
Speaker 5: don't know if he's still hurt or if follow timas
Speaker 5: tied up to him, but sometimes when he throws the
Speaker 5: football doesn't seem like he has a lot of that
Speaker 5: pozazz that he had on it when he was in Minnesota.
Speaker 5: And so for me, I just think it's time to
Speaker 5: see what we have. And I know they're in the race,
Speaker 5: and I know they're still winning, and I love rahiem Moore,
Speaker 5: so I'm gonna believe and trust in him. But if
Speaker 5: I was the coach, I would have pulled Kirk a
Speaker 5: while ago and and saw the young guy was going
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 2: What's the difference with Josh Allen this year as opposed
Speaker 2: to maybe the last couple of years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, So first and foremost, I think he's just
Speaker 5: playing with the confidence and understanding of this offense, and
Speaker 5: it must be the same offense, you know. Obviously Joe
Speaker 5: Brady there in their connection. But watching him versus the Rams,
Speaker 5: so you gotta remember this is again, I worked, he said,
Speaker 5: I worked for the Rams, big Rams fan. That's why
Speaker 5: I said, no slander for the Rams, Jags, Raiders, we
Speaker 5: refuse that. And the Titans because my guy Brian Callahan
Speaker 5: and Nick Holts. But I saw Saquon Barkley versus the Rams,
Speaker 5: and I was like, this is the best player I've
Speaker 5: ever seen football. And my god, like this is crazy,
Speaker 5: you know. Then double back a couple of weeks later,
Speaker 5: the next week or something crazy like that, here comes
Speaker 5: Josh Allen and I was like, no, this is the
Speaker 5: best player ever right. He was throwing the ball. He's
Speaker 5: had a couple of throws. If they were arrows, they
Speaker 5: would have killed some of those receivers. Away just hit
Speaker 5: him square in the chest like he was putting the
Speaker 5: ball in positions. The Rams defenders were in great position,
Speaker 5: and he was the throw to mac Hollins for a touchdown.
Speaker 5: A couple of throws from Mark Cooper and then his
Speaker 5: ability to take off and run and he's again, you're bigger,
Speaker 5: he's your biggest runner, right, so the goal line opportunities.
Speaker 5: Then you see the way he's running and taking the time, Well,
Speaker 5: he picks his spots when he wants to be Superman.
Speaker 5: If that makes sense, I think that's that's what's the
Speaker 5: difference we've seen between Josh Allen now and Josh Allen before.
Speaker 5: He always wanted to be Superman, always wanted to make
Speaker 5: the throws, always wanted to do all these things. Now
Speaker 5: he allows the game to come to them, meaning they're
Speaker 5: going to run the football. He's not going to take chances.
Speaker 5: And then they have play calls where they probably talked
Speaker 5: to him throughout the week like all right, this is
Speaker 5: where you could be Superman if you need to be.
Speaker 5: These are the moments where we need you to be Superman.
Speaker 5: We need you to run the ball here, We need
Speaker 5: you to extend the play and throw the ball down
Speaker 5: the field here on this third down, Like there must
Speaker 5: be a code word that they tell him where he
Speaker 5: turns from you know, cark into Superman. And he goes
Speaker 5: out and does it. And again a guy like like
Speaker 5: I said, he's clearly right now, you know Obviously, I'm
Speaker 5: a running back enthusiast and I love RBS and I'm
Speaker 5: all over. But what he's done the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 5: scoring forty points in back to back games against defenses
Speaker 5: that have played really well throughout this season. And I mean,
Speaker 5: what's that? Who had forty eight last last week? He
Speaker 5: has forty two the week before, whatever it might have been,
Speaker 5: like like my goodness, And so to me, he's just
Speaker 5: he's really learning his when the moment is for him
Speaker 5: to go out and show what he can do, but
Speaker 5: he's relying on his teammates. And that's what's great to see.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you as always, hope you're doing well.
Speaker 5: Always well, we'll get going. Look listen, I'm gonna be
Speaker 5: honest with you. I had youth football, I had high
Speaker 5: school football. We lost the state championship game to the
Speaker 5: number one team in the country. I'm still haven't moved
Speaker 5: out of my bed in three days. Did you?
Speaker 2: Did you cryn pride?
Speaker 5: Just I just you know, replay the game over and
Speaker 5: over and over again. But our kids played really well.
Speaker 5: We just we did. We had some opportunities we didn't
Speaker 5: take advantage of. And so I watched the tape. I'm
Speaker 5: sitting here. I mean I I silent cried, which means
Speaker 5: I ain't like boohoo, but like a couple of tears
Speaker 5: dropped because you know, just losing. Losing is hard, but
Speaker 5: you can learn from losing. And I'm learning that I'm
Speaker 5: a terrible loser. And I'm again we're getting back to
Speaker 5: the drawing board. We're ready to go see the kids
Speaker 5: in a couple of weeks. You know, is Uh going
Speaker 5: to do Christmas? He's gonna get Christmas this year. Sanna
Speaker 5: doesn't come to losers houses, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So the kids already know like Senda doesn't come. He
Speaker 5: doesn't like that. He loves winners. So we gotta we
Speaker 5: gotta read, We gotta figure this thing back out again.
Speaker 2: Is your son being recruited?
Speaker 5: He is. He is being a recruited as offers by
Speaker 5: cal in Utah right now, as a couple other schools
Speaker 5: talking to him. So, uh, he's a sophomore, but he
Speaker 5: had a he had a really good sophomore year. And uh,
Speaker 5: we're getting ready for our junior year here, like I said,
Speaker 5: back back to it. No Christmas this year. Good to
Speaker 5: talk to it, Good to talk to you as well.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Mojo.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 2: He's Greg Olsen, NFL on Fox Analyst and he called
Speaker 2: the Cowboys Panthers. On Sunday, He'll be doing the Ravens
Speaker 2: Texans Christmas Day that's on Netflix with our good buddy
Speaker 2: Iron Eagle kickoff at four point thirty Easter. Beyonce, by
Speaker 2: the way, halftime performer Greg joins us, Now, do you
Speaker 2: get to meet Beyonce before? After during?
Speaker 3: You know, I think that's a great question.
Speaker 10: I actually, uh, last time I was involved in a
Speaker 10: game that Beyonce was also involved in, I lost the
Speaker 10: Super Bowl in Santa Clara, who was the halftime show?
Speaker 3: So I have mixed feelings.
Speaker 10: Hopefully, hopefully, hopefully the result goes better for me this time.
Speaker 2: What's it like when there's somebody performing that a lot
Speaker 2: of people would probably want to go out of the
Speaker 2: locker room. Did did anybody sneak out to see Beyonce perform?
Speaker 7: Not?
Speaker 10: Not to my knowledge, but you know, a couple of
Speaker 10: years ago, you know, when I called the Super Bowl
Speaker 10: in Arizona. Rihanna was the halftime show, so, I mean
Speaker 10: the excitement of the crew. So we get ready to
Speaker 10: go to halftime in all week, We're like, you know,
Speaker 10: it'll be cool, We'll get to watch Rihanna.
Speaker 3: Got great.
Speaker 10: I mean, we've got the best seat in the house,
Speaker 10: fifty yard line up in the box. And then like
Speaker 10: the second to last player the last series of the
Speaker 10: second quarter, Mahomes gets rolled up on, he gets his
Speaker 10: ankle rolled up on, he gets limped in. So the
Speaker 10: whole halftime now, instead of being able to sit down,
Speaker 10: catch our breath watch Rihanna for five minutes, we had
Speaker 10: to scramble and do the whole Oh my gosh, could
Speaker 10: you imagine if Pat Mahomes doesn't come out for the
Speaker 10: second half of the Super Bowl? And thankfully he did.
Speaker 10: So I'm excited to watch Beyonce. I love Beyonce. I
Speaker 10: think it's going to be fun. I think the entire
Speaker 10: experience is going to be super cool for everyone that's participating.
Speaker 10: And I know our crew, Noah and I are super
Speaker 10: super pumped to get together, work together for the first
Speaker 10: time and kind of see what happens.
Speaker 2: Can you see Mahomes modifying his style. I mean, we've
Speaker 2: had the ankle injury every year, almost had a severe
Speaker 2: knee injury as well. But he's not a runner. I
Speaker 2: call him an opportunist. But can you see him maybe modifying,
Speaker 2: you know, I just think at.
Speaker 10: This stage in your career, it is so hard to
Speaker 10: just change your play style. I think, you know, so
Speaker 10: much of what makes Mahomes so special and so such
Speaker 10: a generational player is his ability to play off script. Right,
Speaker 10: It's almost the entire underlying of their entire offense is
Speaker 10: his ability to extend plays, move in the pocket, remain
Speaker 10: a passer. To your point, he's not necessarily a scrambler
Speaker 10: in the sense of I'm looking to run with the
Speaker 10: ball to convert He's he will run, he will pick
Speaker 10: up first downs. But it's his ability to stress the
Speaker 10: coverage because he just holds onto the ball so long
Speaker 10: without getting sacked. And I think that's kind of the
Speaker 10: balance that every team in the league's trying to saying.
Speaker 10: It's one thing to hold the ball, it's one thing
Speaker 10: to stress the coverage. But as you're stressing coverage, you're
Speaker 10: also stressing protection. So it's finding that balance that's what
Speaker 10: makes Mahomes and Josh Allen and now Jayden Daniels and
Speaker 10: you know, Lamar and just some of those guys are
Speaker 10: just such a handful because even when you defend everything,
Speaker 10: you still haven't defended everything. So I just don't know
Speaker 10: if there is any going back. Injury is part of it.
Speaker 10: Hopefully he dogged a bullet here with the ankle, and
Speaker 10: you know, obviously his style of play is just incredible.
Speaker 2: We have a poll question, Fritzi, would you give Greg
Speaker 2: the wording on the pole question?
Speaker 4: Which team right right now in the NFL is in
Speaker 4: the worst shape now and going forward in the near future?
Speaker 4: And we had the Bears, Jaguars, Browns, Texans, Giants.
Speaker 3: Where are you on that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 10: So I think it's combination of, you know, what does
Speaker 10: the current winning culture look like in the building? Are
Speaker 10: they doing it multiple years in with the same coaching
Speaker 10: staff in regime? And then where are they in terms
Speaker 10: of finding their future quarterback?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: So, those are all the things.
Speaker 10: You give first year coaches, you give first year rookie
Speaker 10: quarterbacks like I see what's going on in Chicago. I
Speaker 10: think that's an example of Obviously, the season's gone off
Speaker 10: the rails ever since they lost on the Hail Mary
Speaker 10: to Washington. It feels like things have fallen apart. I
Speaker 10: think they've lost eight in a row or whatever. But
Speaker 10: they've got Caleb Williams. They're going to get a new
Speaker 10: coach in there and a new staff. They've got you know,
Speaker 10: good pieces in place. So that should be a pretty
Speaker 10: you know, that should be a pretty popular destination, I
Speaker 10: would imagine in this hiring cycle. But then you look
Speaker 10: at the Giants and I like Dable, you know, I
Speaker 10: thought he did an unbelievable job his first year making
Speaker 10: the playoffs. Go on the road to Minnesota. I called
Speaker 10: that game and they come out with the with the
Speaker 10: upset victory. Since then, it's been a bit of a disaster.
Speaker 10: And you know, but then you look there and you say,
Speaker 10: not only have they had a culture of losing, they
Speaker 10: let Daniel Jones go, they don't have their future quarterback
Speaker 10: on the roster, and now they've got to start all
Speaker 10: over again. So, you know, I, as much as I
Speaker 10: hate to say this because I just love Dable, love
Speaker 10: who he is as a guy, as a coach, I
Speaker 10: think they're pretty far removed from having an ability to win.
Speaker 10: They're in a really tough division. It doesn't like Philly's
Speaker 10: going anywhere, Dallas will bounce back. Washington's obviously the prized
Speaker 10: team in the league. They've got a tough division, don't
Speaker 10: have their quarterback, and they're you know, losing at a
Speaker 10: historic greata.
Speaker 3: Other than that, Other than that, things are good.
Speaker 2: How much coaching has done on an NFL level from
Speaker 2: the head coach as opposed to coaching in college.
Speaker 10: I think it's different in every franchise model. So I
Speaker 10: think you look at the coaches that are also the
Speaker 10: play callers. You know, you look at a team that's
Speaker 10: having a ton of success. We saw him last night,
Speaker 10: you know, on National TV on Monday Night play, you know,
Speaker 10: Chicago with Kevin O'Connell and the Vikings. So you look
Speaker 10: at what Kevin O'Connell is doing on a week by
Speaker 10: week basis. Aside from delivering messaging and addressing the team
Speaker 10: and putting together the plan and keeping the locker room
Speaker 10: and culture and vision intact, he's also in the in
Speaker 10: the weeds of the game and he's you know, on
Speaker 10: the sideline. He's charting plays and he's formulating his play
Speaker 10: call and getting his opening script done. So he's part
Speaker 10: offensive coordinator, part head coach. That's very challenging, right, That's
Speaker 10: Andy Reid, that's Kevin O'Connell, that's Sean McVay, Kyle shannan,
Speaker 10: you know of those sense. So those guys are in
Speaker 10: the weeds coaching on a day to day basis. X's
Speaker 10: and o's in plays. Then there's other coaches where their
Speaker 10: impact on the team is just as great. They're just
Speaker 10: not actually the ones on game day calling the plays directly,
Speaker 10: you know, to the to the quarterbacks headset. But you know,
Speaker 10: you look at Dan Campbell, he's not necessarily calling the plays.
Speaker 10: He's got two very good defensive offensive coordinator Aaron Glenn,
Speaker 10: Ben Johnson, maybe two guys that are gonna get head
Speaker 10: coaching opportunities this cycle. But he's involved in every single
Speaker 10: thing they do. Talk to him during the week, we
Speaker 10: can ask them about the offensive plan, the defensive plan.
Speaker 10: He knows both sides of the ball, like he's actually
Speaker 10: gonna call the plays on Sunday. And then of course
Speaker 10: he handles all the game management and the motivation and
Speaker 10: the speeches before and after the game. So I think
Speaker 10: every coach is a little bit different as far as
Speaker 10: what their role is but the best coaches are the
Speaker 10: best communicators. The x's and o's and the plays. That's
Speaker 10: stuff Wall take care of itself. The best guys are
Speaker 10: the best communicators. They deliver the message, they put out fires,
Speaker 10: and they galvanize a group. And you know, you look
Speaker 10: around to the best teams in the league, it's not
Speaker 10: a coincidence that they also have some of the best leaders,
Speaker 10: some of the best messagers.
Speaker 3: It's a huge part of NFL football.
Speaker 2: I'm talking to Greg Olsen NFL and Fox. He'll be
Speaker 2: on the call on Christmas Day. The game is on Netflix.
Speaker 2: It'll be the Ravens and Texans kickoff at four thirty Eastern.
Speaker 2: Speaking of these two teams, which one's more threatening come
Speaker 2: playoff time, Ravens or Texans.
Speaker 3: It's a good question.
Speaker 10: I've kind of started diving into them this week just
Speaker 10: in preparation for next week's game. And you know, I mean,
Speaker 10: you start with Baltimore obviously, you know we've seen them
Speaker 10: do it, MVP Lamar, they add Derek Henry. I mean,
Speaker 10: that is a that is a scary group. And I
Speaker 10: would say when play well, you've come out of that
Speaker 10: game saying that's the best team in the league.
Speaker 3: And then there's been some other games.
Speaker 10: Where you go, okay, like they're good, but can they
Speaker 10: just put the pedal down and just dominate somebody? And
Speaker 10: I think their defense is getting a lot better. I
Speaker 10: think their defense is much improved. Earlier in the year,
Speaker 10: they had some ups and downs. They've started to string
Speaker 10: together some good performances here of late. So I think
Speaker 10: as long as you have Lamar, I think Harbaugh is
Speaker 10: a fantastic coach.
Speaker 3: I think they had a.
Speaker 10: Culture initation of winning, which again to our ear to
Speaker 10: your earlier question, is so important in this league. Guys
Speaker 10: expect to win, they expect to show up and have success,
Speaker 10: and that's very powerful. And then with Houston, I think
Speaker 10: what's what's so unique about them is last year all
Speaker 10: that talks about CJ. Stroud and he busts them onto
Speaker 10: the seam as a rookie and he was incredible. They
Speaker 10: win the division in him and Demico Ryan's first year
Speaker 10: and everyone saying, oh my god, he's incredible. This year,
Speaker 10: it's been the defense. I mean, that defense is young,
Speaker 10: they are good. They can rush the passer. Daniel Hunter,
Speaker 10: will Anderson. They've got two really good young corners Derek
Speaker 10: Stingley might be the best in the league right now.
Speaker 10: And then Lassiter, who's the young rookie on the other side.
Speaker 10: So they're young, they're talented, they can rush the passer,
Speaker 10: they can dominate at the line of scrimmage, and then
Speaker 10: the offense is opportunistic.
Speaker 3: It's you know, last week they.
Speaker 10: Force four turnovers against the Dolphins and they score seventeen
Speaker 10: to their twenty off of turnovers. So they're they're making
Speaker 10: the plays they have to. They're not as dominant offensively
Speaker 10: as they were, even though I love their skill positions.
Speaker 10: Their offensive line is the question mark. They struggle up front,
Speaker 10: they struggle to pass protect, and then everything kind of
Speaker 10: goes from there. So I think it's a fascinating matchup
Speaker 10: on paper. To me at this stage, it's Lamar and
Speaker 10: thattt Ravens offense against this Houston defense led by Timiko
Speaker 10: Rans Like, that is the matchup, and I think it's
Speaker 10: gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2: Level of concern for the Lions is what, gosh.
Speaker 10: You know, you just you can't help but just feel
Speaker 10: for him because four or five weeks ago they were
Speaker 10: the best team in football and it was just because
Speaker 10: of the offense. It wasn't just because you know, golf's
Speaker 10: playing at MVP level and the offensive line has been
Speaker 10: good there for a long time, and of course Ben
Speaker 10: Johnson's the bell of the ball, He's the coach everyone's
Speaker 10: looking for, and the skill players unlimited.
Speaker 3: And then on the defensive side, they were so good.
Speaker 10: Obviously with you know, losing Hutchinson and then losing Azeloni,
Speaker 10: Aaron Glen's held it together as long as he could.
Speaker 10: But you go back to like the top two of
Speaker 10: their robster depth early in the season, I don't think
Speaker 10: anyone is left. And then of course the other night
Speaker 10: in that awesome game, you know, they lose Alee McNeil,
Speaker 10: they lose Carlton Davis, they lose more starters, and then
Speaker 10: now the words coming out with Montgomery the back alongside
Speaker 10: Gibbs that he might be now out for the year.
Speaker 10: So it's just it's unfortunate that this is the way
Speaker 10: it happens. But we see it all the time. There
Speaker 10: is an element of luck to NFL runs. There is
Speaker 10: an element to the teams that stay healthy the longest
Speaker 10: make their run. But listen, if we've seen anything about
Speaker 10: Dan Campbell, he's going to alter his approach he's going
Speaker 10: to get super aggressive, he's not going to apologize for it,
Speaker 10: and they're gonna have to try to make up for
Speaker 10: what they're missing on defense.
Speaker 3: That they are going to have to carry the load.
Speaker 10: Hence why he on side kicked with ten plus minutes
Speaker 10: to go in the game like that was not just
Speaker 10: an arbitrary gut reaction. He understands the efficiencies of the defense.
Speaker 10: They can't stop anybody, So why is he gonna let
Speaker 10: teams go eighty five yards for a touchdown when just
Speaker 10: let them go the short way and get.
Speaker 3: The ball back.
Speaker 2: I mentioned Josh Allen was like a better throwing Cam
Speaker 2: Newton when Cam won the mvpick. That fair to either
Speaker 2: of these both of these guys with that comparison, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's very fair.
Speaker 10: I think you know, when you look at a lot
Speaker 10: of the things that Josh is doing, it's a very
Speaker 10: similar play style to how Cam played. I would argue
Speaker 10: that Cam was maybe used more consistently, especially those first
Speaker 10: five years or so, in the run game, and then
Speaker 10: it was quarterback power, it was quarterback run, it was
Speaker 10: downhill like they used Josh. I think really smart, like
Speaker 10: the way they activate him as a design quarterback runner.
Speaker 10: It's red zone, it's short yardage, it's perimeter runs, it's
Speaker 10: spread QB draw. They do a great job saying, Okay,
Speaker 10: we're not going to just run him into the ground,
Speaker 10: but when we need them, ball is going to be
Speaker 10: in his hands because he's the best player in the league.
Speaker 10: So I think in that regard, they're both physical. They're strong,
Speaker 10: they can outrun you, they're powerful, they can protect themselves.
Speaker 10: I think that's an element that people are starting to
Speaker 10: see with. Yes, the quarterback run is such a weapon,
Speaker 10: and when you have a guy like Josh Allen and
Speaker 10: you have a guy like he's silly not to use it.
Speaker 10: But what guys are finding is, over the course of
Speaker 10: a season, are you able to sustain it? Do you
Speaker 10: have a guy that is built to take those hits
Speaker 10: and can be a runner. If your quarterback every time
Speaker 10: he's in space to get hit just gives him stuff
Speaker 10: up and he's not willing to run through contact, you
Speaker 10: lose the advantage of running your quarterback. And that's where
Speaker 10: Cam was so unique is when he got in the
Speaker 10: open field, they didn't want to tackle him.
Speaker 3: Can't they Bigger?
Speaker 10: Cam was at more risks standing in the pocket, getting
Speaker 10: to get injured, getting guys at his legs blindside than
Speaker 10: when he was actually on the offensive as a runner.
Speaker 10: And I would say the same thing about Josh, and
Speaker 10: then obviously his Josh's ability to throw off platform and
Speaker 10: throw from outside the pocket, and some of those throws
Speaker 10: he made the other night on the run against Detroit
Speaker 10: were just I mean, they were just out of this world.
Speaker 10: So I think he's the MVP. I think I can't.
Speaker 10: I mean, I can make an argument for Lamar, I
Speaker 10: can make an argument for Golf. I just what Buffalo's
Speaker 10: doing right now there. You could argue they're the best
Speaker 10: team in the league right now, and he's the best player.
Speaker 2: I was amazed when I first met Cam how big
Speaker 2: he is, like when you when you see quarterbacks, like
Speaker 2: he's probably bigger than you.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Cam's eye to eye with me.
Speaker 10: And when we were both playing, we were probably within
Speaker 10: I don't know, anywhere between five to ten pounds of
Speaker 10: each other in any direction at any kind of Yeah,
Speaker 10: Cam could have played defense, event, Cam could have played
Speaker 10: tight end. Cam could have played outside edge rusher. When
Speaker 10: you talk about just unique physical specimens that have come
Speaker 10: through the NFL, Cam Newton's at the top of the list.
Speaker 10: The first time I ever met him in training camp,
Speaker 10: I had just gotten traded to Carolina from Chicago, and
Speaker 10: I walked into the training room, and of course watched
Speaker 10: him at Auburn and watched him win the national Championship
Speaker 10: and the Heisman and all that. And then but again
Speaker 10: to your point, when you see him in person, you
Speaker 10: don't realize just how imposing he really is.
Speaker 3: And you know, when I saw him, I was like, whoa.
Speaker 10: And then obviously he gets out in the field and
Speaker 10: the way he's able to run, and he was long
Speaker 10: legged but powerful, and obviously he could just rip it.
Speaker 10: He was a unique physical product. But yeah, just his
Speaker 10: sheer size was very unique.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Happy holidays to you, and our
Speaker 2: best to Iron Eagle. On Christmas Day on Netflix, it'll
Speaker 2: be the Ravens and the Texans, four thirty Eastern. Thank you, Greg.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. It was good to see it.