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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Now, normally, what happens when you have a

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Speaker 1: dramatic win like the Dodgers had previously, where they come

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Speaker 1: back down five two, Cody Bellinger with a three run homer,

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Speaker 1: Mookie bets the game winning RBI, and everybody thinks, Okay,

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Speaker 1: now's when momentum happens. And there's a baseball adage of

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Speaker 1: baseball saying momentum is the next day's pitcher. Momentum is

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Speaker 1: only good as good as the next day's pitcher. Jim

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Speaker 1: Leland used this back in the mid eighties a lot.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure who gets credit for it. Might be

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Speaker 1: Earl Weaver, former Oriol manager, but we keep thinking, oh,

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Speaker 1: you got that momentum. Well, when you run into a

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Speaker 1: good pitching staff or good pitcher, that's your momentum stopper

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Speaker 1: right there. You know, the lineups change everything. You know

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Speaker 1: the time you're playing, who you're facing, righty, lefty. You

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Speaker 1: keep thinking that, oh my gosh, we're blowing somebody out.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to start hitting again. And that wasn't

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Speaker 1: the case again last night. Two hits for the Dodgers starters,

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Speaker 1: and now your season is on the line Game five

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Speaker 1: Braves at the Dodgers. The Astros rolled the Red Sox

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Speaker 1: nine to one and they're now up three games to two.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't want Braves fans to take this personally,

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Speaker 1: even though you have, because I keep hearing reading seeing

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Speaker 1: where you're saying, why are you rooting for the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: and the Astros. I don't have a rooting interest other

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Speaker 1: than what is the story that I can tell nationally

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Speaker 1: on this show. That's it, Dodger Astros. I can tell

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Speaker 1: that story. People are interested in that story. The Braves

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Speaker 1: are a good story. They picked up some players of

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Speaker 1: the Trade Deadline who have been great, but it's not

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Speaker 1: a national story. The Red Sox, they're not a national story.

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Speaker 1: Good story, but not a national story. I just don't

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Speaker 1: want you to take it personally. You know. It's not

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Speaker 1: like I like the Astros, but I like the Astros

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Speaker 1: in the World series because it's a great story to

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Speaker 1: tell given what has happened. If they face the Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: it's a great story to tell. And I stopped rooting.

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Speaker 1: And I've said this before on the show, but for

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Speaker 1: those who are new, I'll reiterate. Once I started doing

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Speaker 1: this at ESPN. When I started doing this full time,

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Speaker 1: I put my allegiance to the side. I grew up

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Speaker 1: a Reds fan, Cleveland Browns fan, later a Cincinnati Bengals fan.

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Speaker 1: I don't root for those teams now. Do I root

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Speaker 1: for a good storyline Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Joey Vado with the Reds. Yeah, it's a good story,

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Speaker 1: but I don't root for them the way I once

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Speaker 1: best story, even if it means something bad happens to

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Speaker 1: the Bengals or the Cincinnati Reds. So if it's the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers in the Astros, I think it's good for baseball,

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Speaker 1: but don't take it personally. If you're a Red Sox fan.

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Speaker 1: By the way, for you Socks fans who keep booing Correa,

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Speaker 1: Altuve and Bregman, you do know your manager was part

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Speaker 1: of the cheating scandal. Just I just want to let

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Speaker 1: you know details. Yeah, I know they're like booing Altuve

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Speaker 1: and Bregman Correa and then oh, that's right, our manager

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Speaker 1: was on the Astros in twenty seventeen. So just letting

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Speaker 1: you know. It's kind of silly. You're gonna boo those guys. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: the former Chicago Bear offensive lineman hrutzl crutz Um, he

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Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers calling out the Chicago Bears

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Speaker 1: saying I own you. And Olan Creutz, the former Bears

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman, had this to say. When you see Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers run into the end zone and he apparently was

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Speaker 1: flipped off and he tells the crowd, I still own you,

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Speaker 1: I still own you. I've owned you my whole banking life.

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Speaker 1: How does that make you feel? I like to punch

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Speaker 1: him his face. Yea yeah, I like to punch him

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Speaker 1: in his face. When you see that, that's your first reaction, right, Um,

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Speaker 1: That's how we all know. This is the kind of

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Speaker 1: Soldier Field. You know, just because you're right, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: make you right for doing it. Okay, Like, there's so

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Speaker 1: many more important things than what Aaron Rodgers did not

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Speaker 1: does own you. Oh he did is reiterate that. Do

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Speaker 1: you realize this happens all the time. It's just the

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Speaker 1: cameras were rolling on him, and Aaron Rodgers said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I said, this woman flipped me off. And then you

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Speaker 1: had pictures of people flipping off Aaron Rodgers. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: just one person. It was a couple of people, like

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Speaker 1: He didn't yell at the Packers crowd that week. Well

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Speaker 1: apparently his teammate maybe didn't say, you know, I own you.

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Speaker 1: But wow, there are just so many other things so

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Speaker 1: that are so much more important than this. Yeah, I'd

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Speaker 1: but man, I saw that. I was like, really, do

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Speaker 1: you see where Tom Brady congratulated Aaron Rodgers. I'm becoming

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Speaker 1: was great too, Hey, I want to congratulate Aaron. You

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Speaker 1: Bucks and the Chicago Bears. I love that. Yeah, Paul,

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Speaker 1: I was watching that clip of Brady and he's got

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Speaker 1: good material. Yes, mclovin doesn't feel like Aaron Rodgers seems

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Speaker 1: awfully happy in Green Bay this year. No, well, I

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Speaker 1: did see this, whether it's true or not. Would the

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Speaker 1: Now you better know that Aaron Rodgers is gonna stay,

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Speaker 1: because knowing Rodgers would be like, hey, I didn't tell

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Speaker 1: but I saw where would they trade him? Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 1: I've been saying all along that Miami wants him, Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: they can get de Shaun Watson. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: Does he get suspended? Which doesn't seem fair? Why not

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Speaker 1: Do you suspend him for eight games or however long

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Speaker 1: Miami can you ask the commissioner is he gonna how

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Speaker 1: long will he be suspended? If we trade for him?

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Speaker 1: What are the draft picks I have to give up?

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Speaker 1: little bit later on Yeah, Paul, I was wondering if

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Speaker 1: Roger Goodell, off the record and get information like where

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Speaker 1: Would that be a competitive advantage off one owner new

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Speaker 1: Hey off the record. No, it's not off the record,

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Speaker 1: because once I tell you, then you're gonna tell somebody else.

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Speaker 1: That's how it works. Then that person can use your quote.

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Speaker 1: I can't off the record. I don't think you can

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Speaker 1: go to Carolina. But I can't give the Dolphins a

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Speaker 1: somebody who then would leak it to the Dolphins. Yeah, Levin,

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. I don't think they have the slightest what's

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Speaker 1: the commissioner could say that, you know, we're going to

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Speaker 1: down a third base. That kind of baseball we've missed.

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Speaker 1: It's strikeouts or hit home runs where this has been

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Speaker 1: discussed forever and it's it's unfortunate. And the other thing

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Speaker 1: that that was surprising to me, and I, you know,

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Speaker 1: think about it, the ratings. I get into the ratings

427
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Speaker 1: Tuesday night, that was a great baseball night. Bellinger hits

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Speaker 1: the home run and then the Red Sox and Astros

429
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Speaker 1: it's two, it's one one, and it's two one Red

430
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Speaker 1: Sox top of the eighth. Those ratings for those games

431
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Speaker 1: you would think would be really good, and they were

432
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Speaker 1: decent four million, But the NBA didn't do that much worse.

433
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Speaker 1: A matter of fact, Lebron and Curry had ten thirty

434
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Speaker 1: did like three and a half man and the Red

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Speaker 1: Sox Astro game did like four point two. Wouldn't you

436
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Speaker 1: think a baseball playoff game in our era were Berry

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Speaker 1: an NHL or an NBA regular seed. I know it's

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Speaker 1: Lebron and Curry, but geez well, I got highest rated

439
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Speaker 1: individual game in World Series history. You know when it is? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's the Red Sox reds isn't it in Game six

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Speaker 1: when it had seventy five million people watching it? Nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty Game six, that's yeah, you're right. Philly's Royals had

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Speaker 1: a forty rating. Yeah, that's right, you had Reds against

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Speaker 1: the Red Sox was almost a forty rating. The Dodgers

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Speaker 1: when they swept the Yankees um in sixty in sixty

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Speaker 1: sixty three nineteen eighty six. The most viewed game Game seven,

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six, the Mets over the Red Sox that

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Speaker 1: had a thirty eight point nine. So yeah, those are

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Speaker 1: monster monster numbers where now you're getting a you know,

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Speaker 1: a twelve maybe, and you're happy with the twelve. You know.

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Speaker 1: I think baseball in each town can produce that. The

452
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Speaker 1: problem that baseball has is that, you know, if the

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Speaker 1: Pirates are in the World Series, the Pirates locally will

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Speaker 1: get that kind of rating. But the problem is Pittsburgh

455
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Speaker 1: doesn't care about Dodgers braves, so they get no carryover

456
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Speaker 1: in other words, and if the Steeners are out, they

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Speaker 1: care about Green Bay, Tampa, or they care about you know,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City and Buffalo. In the AFC championship game, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna watch the towns in which their teams have been eliminated.

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Speaker 1: They don't get into the next round when their team

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Speaker 1: isn't in it. And I think that kills the rating

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Speaker 1: because you know, locally, if your team is in the

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Speaker 1: postseason in baseball, your rating is gonna be great. They're

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Speaker 1: watching the games in Boston, Houston, Atlanta, but when their

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Speaker 1: team is out and they're not in the postseason, they

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Speaker 1: follow it. They know what's going on, but they're not

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Speaker 1: gonna sit there for three and a half hours and

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Speaker 1: watch the game. What Chris, They don't gamble. Who's gambling

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Speaker 1: in the maze. They don't gamble that much of the

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Speaker 1: baseball Yeah, I was wondering. It's not like the football.

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Speaker 1: Football they gamble everything, first quarter, second quarter, points, overs,

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Speaker 1: prop bets, catches by receivers, you know, halftime, they do everything.

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Speaker 1: Baseball they don't do that as much. And I think

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Speaker 1: that I think, you know, I think that's a major factor.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's the local I think the fan

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Speaker 1: interest is great. I just don't think the fan interest

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Speaker 1: once their team is out of it, there's no carry over,

478
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Speaker 1: while in football there is and I think that hurts

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Speaker 1: Hurst Sport. And I don't know how you solve that.

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Speaker 1: How do you solve that problem? I don't know how

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Speaker 1: you solve it. He's Chris mad Dog Russo mad Dog

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Speaker 1: unleashed on Sirius XM. That's Channel eighty two and host

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Speaker 1: of High Heat on Major League Baseball Network head Bob

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Speaker 1: constaus On yesterday, and he was talking about gambling. His dad,

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Speaker 1: of course, used to be a bookie. Oh I know,

486
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Speaker 1: and I and I said to him, Okay, you got

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Speaker 1: one Hall of Fame vote Pete Rose, Roger Clemens, Verry Bonds.

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Speaker 1: Do you know who he took? H If he had one,

489
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Speaker 1: he should have taken Rose. Did he take him? Yeah? Yeah, Rose, Bonds, Clements.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I can buy that. Yeah, I think the same order. See,

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Speaker 1: if you take Bonds, you gotta take Clements, So you

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Speaker 1: do only have one. It's you know, they have both

493
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Speaker 1: group Bonds and Clements with the same steroid blush, so

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Speaker 1: it's hard to differentiate. Yeah. The fact that Rose isn't

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Speaker 1: in the Hall of fame. I listened. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: all know that Rose at times, we understand you know,

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Speaker 1: he's not a choir boy and Rose, you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know it's bad what he did. But Rose bet

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Speaker 1: as a manager, not as a player, and we're putting

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Speaker 1: him in a Hall of Fame as a player. Plus,

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Speaker 1: Rose never bet on his team to lose. And if

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Speaker 1: anybody it's the same thing, they're nuts. The nineteen nineteen

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Speaker 1: nineteen White Socks bet on their team will lose. Rose

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Speaker 1: never did. Rose is too competitive to every want to lose,

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Speaker 1: so he bet so. To me, that's a huge difference. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about it. Betting is

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Speaker 1: bad anyway, if you're involved in the sport. I'm not

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Speaker 1: denying that, but there is a major difference. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to flow the game to lose, then you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm going to bet on myself because they

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Speaker 1: can want to win. There's a major difference. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I can't put Pete in until I put shoolas Joe

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Speaker 1: Jackson in. That's fair too. I mean he had three

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Speaker 1: seventy five in a series where you know he was

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Speaker 1: you know, reportedly took money. I mean, imagine if Yeah. Now,

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Speaker 1: I imagine if he didn't take money when he would

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Speaker 1: have hit. That's an excellent point. But excellent point. Joe

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Speaker 1: Jackson had a great world series. The problem is he

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Speaker 1: took five hundred bucks. But he had a great world series.

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Speaker 1: So how do he very hard not as very very

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Speaker 1: hard to differentiate. But listen, is anybody think that Pete

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Speaker 1: Rose And here's anything that drives me crazy. We got

523
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Speaker 1: everything from the Big Red Machine in that Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: We got Pete's cleats, we got his back that he

525
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: used to beat Thye Cobb. We have everything that you want,

526
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: got the hitting streak when he hit from forty four straight.

527
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: Everything you want about Pete Rose. You want his glove,

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Speaker 1: you want us uniform, you want to cleats. You got

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Speaker 1: everything you want by Pete Rose. Oh but by the way,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to put Pete in. So we can

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Speaker 1: walk through Cooperstown and see everything that has got paraphernalia

532
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Speaker 1: that relates to the Big Red Machine and Pete Rose.

533
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Speaker 1: But Pete doesn't get a day. I really, but don't

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Speaker 1: you think he's benefited more crisp by not being in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, Because if Pete got in the

536
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. No one would care. He does keep

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00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: his name in circulation. He's made more money by not

538
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Speaker 1: being in the Hall of Fame. You know, you can

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Speaker 1: make the argument because people are so curious and they

540
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Speaker 1: feel that. But let's face it, I mean ask you

541
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Speaker 1: a question. Should peep in the Hall of Fame? I

542
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: view it as he cheated in grad school, So I

543
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: can't take away his undergraduate degree until I I if

544
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: I think that he bet on baseball as a player,

545
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Speaker 1: then I would not have him in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Now I've said this before on my show. My bookie

547
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: used to take some of Pete's bets when I used

548
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: to bet, so I knew what Pete was doing and

549
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: how frequent he was doing it and how bad he was.

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Speaker 1: Do I think that he bet as a player? Absolutely?

551
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Speaker 1: Is there any proof? No, not that I've heard. But

552
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Speaker 1: as a manager, I can't take away what I saw

553
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: on the field. You know, It's like Reggie Bush with

554
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Speaker 1: a Heisman trophy. You know what he did off the field,

555
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: he still won a Heisman. On the field, you can

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Speaker 1: take it away. He's still a Heisman Trophy winner. And Pete,

557
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Speaker 1: I just I got to see him. I grew up

558
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Speaker 1: in Sacinnati. I mean, we loved Pete. You know, we

559
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: wanted to wear number fourteen. We slid head first, like

560
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: everything about it. I just Pete never read the room. Well, Chris,

561
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: if he read the room, he would have thrown himself

562
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Speaker 1: on the sword and said to Bud, yeah, knew, Oh

563
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: he just needed to do this. And I've talked to

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Speaker 1: Commissioner Seelea about it. I'm going to go through the

565
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: minor leagues on my own dime and talk about the

566
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Speaker 1: dangers of gambling. I'm I'm going to do that because

567
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: you know what, I need to give back to the game.

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00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: Pete just never thought that he lower himself, and I

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Speaker 1: think he would have gotten in or agree that you're right.

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Speaker 1: I mean if Pete in nineteen ninety through himself at

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Speaker 1: the mercy of the court, we would not be having

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Speaker 1: his discussion. We would not and Pete didn't do that.

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Speaker 1: And Pete, you know, but I could also make the

574
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Speaker 1: argument it has been thirty years, Yes, he's eighty years old. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: really I think he gets into. I think it's posthumously, Chris,

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Speaker 1: if he gets in, it's going to be posthumously. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, they didn't put Joe. You made a great point.

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Speaker 1: They never put Joe Jackson in and he's been dead

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Speaker 1: forever nineteen fifty one. Ye, come on, because South Carolina.

580
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: So they didn't put him in. You know, here's the

581
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: thing I had always boughted Pete. I had him in

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Speaker 1: studio a couple of years ago. That's fascinating. You know

583
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Speaker 1: when his kid made his debut in Major League Baseball,

584
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: you know they wouldn't give people to pass. Yeah, he

585
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: had to buy a ticket. No, no, hod on. Now

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00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: it's Pete's kid. Pete also had money on the game though. Chris, Yeah,

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00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: maybe he did. Keith stirring it up there, mad Dog.

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Speaker 1: Great to thank you, buddy. That's Chris mad Dog Russo.

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Speaker 1: good morning. How are you. I'm doing great? Dan, how

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Speaker 1: are you? I'm doing okay until I just got the word.

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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer wants his heisman back. You can have mine? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got one. Yeah, no, yeah. I don't have anything.

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Speaker 1: I don't have anything that you would ever want, so

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Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about that. Do you have

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Speaker 1: any trophies on your mantle? No? None, I have none. None.

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Speaker 1: I could say something smart or funny or cute, I

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Speaker 1: have none. I have nothing. I'm an embarrassment to everyone.

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Speaker 1: All right, Why is this report on Deshaun Watson feel

612
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: a little more real than what we heard maybe a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Well, we're getting closer and closer

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Speaker 1: to the deadline for twenty twenty one, and look back

615
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: in late August early September, this was pointing toward a

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Speaker 1: transaction between the Texans and the Dolphins. The problem is

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00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: the Dolphins refused to blink when it comes to what

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Speaker 1: the Texans want, and the Texans refused to blink when

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Speaker 1: it comes to what the Dolphins wanted to give. So

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00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: it fell apart, but it continues to linger. It's going

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Speaker 1: to happen either after the season or it's going to

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Speaker 1: happen between now and November two, at four pm Eastern.

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Speaker 1: I think what happened yesterday was an effort by the

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Speaker 1: Texans to get the word out to anyone else who

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Speaker 1: may want to come to the table. We know a

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago the Panthers may have not been interested,

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Speaker 1: Now maybe they are. A few weeks ago, the Broncos

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have been interested, Now maybe they are. Let's see,

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Speaker 1: Well the Eagles come to the table. Let's see, because

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Speaker 1: if others come to the table, price goes up and

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Speaker 1: it may get Stephen Ross, who badly wants to make

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Speaker 1: Watson in Miami Dolphins, and finally say to the Texans, fine,

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Speaker 1: we'll give you what you want. The Texans don't want

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Speaker 1: to relent because they don't look at it as a

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Speaker 1: one or a two year trade. They look at us

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Speaker 1: a ten year transaction. So you shouldn't worry about what

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Speaker 1: you give us now. Whether or not he's going to

638
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Speaker 1: be available in the short term. He's going to be

639
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Speaker 1: your quarterback for ten years. So give us what we

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Speaker 1: want because you're getting a franchise quarterback. It's going to

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Speaker 1: change potentially the fortune of your team. But if you're

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins, what do you need to know before you

643
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Speaker 1: make this deal? And what can you know before this?

644
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Speaker 1: You know, the most important question is what happens with

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Speaker 1: the grand jury that's eventually going to hear the ten

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Speaker 1: criminal complaints that have been made against Watson. The twenty

647
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Speaker 1: two civil complaints. They're not going to be resolved, but

648
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Speaker 1: they're not nearly as troubling because you're not going to

649
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Speaker 1: go to jail over the outcome of the twenty two

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Speaker 1: civil complaints. The most pressing question Dan is if the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins would trade for him today and then want to

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Speaker 1: put him on the field on Sunday against the Falcons.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's extreme, but they would want to have

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Speaker 1: him at practice, they'd want to have him ready to

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Speaker 1: play in games. What will the league do? We reported

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Speaker 1: several weeks back that the league has not made any

657
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Speaker 1: decision about paid leave for Deshaun Watson because it doesn't

658
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Speaker 1: have to. The Texans already have him on paid leave.

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Speaker 1: He's getting paid, he's not playing. The league doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to do anything. Why make a decision about paid leave

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Speaker 1: when you don't have to. But the moment he'd be

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Speaker 1: traded to a team that wants to put him on

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Speaker 1: the field, that's when the league would have to activate

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Speaker 1: its own process and make a decision do we put

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Speaker 1: him on paid leave or do we not? And I

666
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Speaker 1: think it would be naive to overlook the body blows

667
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Speaker 1: that the league has been taking over the Washington football

668
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Speaker 1: team investigation, the email scandal, and everything else. How does

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Speaker 1: that factor into the broader pr assessment of what do

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Speaker 1: we do with Deshaun Watson now that he's in a

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Speaker 1: position where he's playing with these charges pending against him. Okay,

672
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Speaker 1: but how do you suspend somebody who doesn't have criminal

673
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Speaker 1: charges pending? Well, there's enough language in the Personal Conduct

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Speaker 1: Policy to give the NFL the discretion based upon what

675
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: they already know, based upon the investigation they've already done.

676
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Speaker 1: If they want to come to the conclusion that it's

677
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Speaker 1: possible that Deshaun Watson may have violated one or more

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Speaker 1: of the terms of the Personal Conduct Policy, they can

679
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Speaker 1: say you're on paid leave, and the NFL doesn't view

680
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: that as punishment, as wrong as that is. Football players

681
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: want to play football, but they don't view telling a

682
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Speaker 1: guy you get paid to not play as punishment. They

683
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Speaker 1: view it as no big deal. Well, it is a

684
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Speaker 1: big deal for guys who want to play football and

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Speaker 1: for the teams that want them to play. But they

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Speaker 1: suspending now, though, Mike, Why because there's no reason to

687
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Speaker 1: do it. Why do it? Why make a move? Why

688
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Speaker 1: create a news cycle. Here's what happens if they would

689
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Speaker 1: put him on paid leave now, because that's what this is,

690
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Speaker 1: suspension with pay under the Personal Conduct Policy. You create

691
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Speaker 1: a headline, you create an ape story that ends up

692
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Speaker 1: in every newspaper, on every website. We're talking about it.

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Speaker 1: How's the NFL justify putting Deshaun Watson on the commissioner

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Speaker 1: example list when no charge has actually been finalized against him.

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Speaker 1: There's no reason to do it. There's no reason to

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Speaker 1: do it. And I had someone from the league office

697
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Speaker 1: explain this to me. Why make a step that could

698
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: be a misstep when you just don't have to do it.

699
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Speaker 1: The Texans are already paying him to not play. We

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Speaker 1: reached down to the Texans and we said, why isn't

701
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Speaker 1: Deshaun wantson playing? And we said whose decision? No response, Yeah,

702
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: well he doesn't want to play for them. They don't

703
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Speaker 1: want him to play and get injured and diminish the

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Speaker 1: trade value. I think at some point it was just

705
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Speaker 1: decided mutually, this is where we are. We're gonna pay

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Speaker 1: you to not play. We're gonna trade you. And I

707
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Speaker 1: think they've been leading him to think it's coming. It's coming,

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Speaker 1: it's coming. The question is do they get it done

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Speaker 1: before November two or do they kick it over the

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Speaker 1: next year. I think that they run the risk if

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Speaker 1: they don't trade him by November two, that he shows

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Speaker 1: up and says, I'm ready to go. Let's go play

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Speaker 1: some football. Now. I don't know that he's inclined to

714
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Speaker 1: do that, but they run that risk because I think

715
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Speaker 1: they've been telling him will get this done, and that

716
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Speaker 1: window closes in twelve days. Nobody wants to like what

717
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: happens to two A tonga Iloa. If Deshaun Watson ends

718
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: up in Miami, well, if Deshaun Watson ends up on

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Speaker 1: paid leave, you need to at least for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the season. Now, he's got that rookie Wade scale

721
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Speaker 1: salary and cap hit and it's not as difficult as

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Speaker 1: it would have been ten fifteen years ago from a

723
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Speaker 1: cap standpoint to move him. But yeah, then you got

724
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Speaker 1: after her. Ask yourself, where does he go? And who's

725
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Speaker 1: going to give you anything of value for a guy

726
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Speaker 1: who who is showing us one week at a time

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Speaker 1: that he's not going to be a franchise quarterback. That's

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Speaker 1: what this all comes back to. They picked two him

729
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Speaker 1: over Justin Herbert, and yeah, the two Amafia is starting

730
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Speaker 1: to relent. I think after the month that he missed

731
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Speaker 1: with the broken ribs and how he played. I mean

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Speaker 1: they lost to the Jaguars up ten points. They lost

733
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Speaker 1: to the Jaguars, who hadn't won a game in twenty straight.

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Speaker 1: I think people are starting to realize two is not

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Speaker 1: going to be with the Dolphins are looking for which

736
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Speaker 1: is basically their next day in Marino, and they've been

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Speaker 1: trying to find him for more than twenty years. A

738
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Speaker 1: lot of revisionist history with Justin Herbert, like he wasn't

739
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Speaker 1: a sured thing. I know, but it's amazing to me,

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Speaker 1: Dan and I don't get too deep into the weeds

741
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Speaker 1: pre draft because we're trying to cover the whole league

742
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Speaker 1: and everything that's happening. But you've met Tua. I've met Tua.

743
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Speaker 1: I just Tua is short, and Tua isn't built like

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Speaker 1: a Russell Wilson or a Drew Breese. He's got a

745
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: slight build to him. He had the injury questions coming in.

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Speaker 1: I don't see how anyone wouldn't have decided to do

747
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Speaker 1: an extra deep dive on Herbert versus Ta because Herbert's

748
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Speaker 1: got the size, he's got the physique, and obviously he's

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Speaker 1: been the better pick. And I think the Dolphins just

750
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Speaker 1: viewed it as a no brainer. Here's twa we want

751
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Speaker 1: to of. The other guy they wanted was Joe Burrow.

752
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Speaker 1: They couldn't get the Bengals to trade out of number one.

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Speaker 1: There was never a discussion about the Dolphins wanting Justin Herbert,

754
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Speaker 1: and it should have it. He's been a discussion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I go back to the draft and I had

756
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Speaker 1: a source who said, you know, one thing you have

757
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: to understand is how do you assess in Alabama quarterback?

758
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Speaker 1: Because he has first round draft picks they get open,

759
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: you don't want to throw them open. And mac Jones

760
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: dealt with this. They don't throw receivers open. They're open.

761
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Speaker 1: You get to the pros, you must throw a receiver open.

762
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Speaker 1: And you know Dwayne Haskins had this at Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's hard. Sometimes when you look at this,

764
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Speaker 1: it goes, how good is that quarterback Justin Herbert has

765
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Speaker 1: the arm to throw a receiver open and two Wood

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Speaker 1: does not. And part of it, too, is you don't

767
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Speaker 1: see those skills on display until you get to the

768
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Speaker 1: next level and the challenge becomes more difficult. Do you

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Speaker 1: rise up to it? One of the knocks on the

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Speaker 1: Shaw Watson coming out of Clemson, too many interceptions and

771
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Speaker 1: good luck cutting down on the interceptions when the window

772
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Speaker 1: forgetting a guy the football shrinks. Well, you know what

773
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: happened to Shawn Watson. By necessity he got more accurate

774
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Speaker 1: at the next level. So a lot of it is

775
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going to happen until they get there.

776
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: But the warning signs were there with Tah but Stephen

777
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: Ross wanted toa and there was no one in the

778
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Speaker 1: organization with the ability to push back on Stephen Ross.

779
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Speaker 1: And now Stephen Rons wants to Sean and I feel

780
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: like he's gonna get him. I let somebody else swoops

781
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: in and says to the Texans, we'll give you what

782
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: you want and send to Shawn our Way. We're talking

783
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: to Mike floryal Pro Football Talk Live co host with

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00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: Chris Simms, the show that precedes this on Peacock. The

785
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield situation is interesting because he's gonna, I guess

786
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport said, he's gonna need surgery on that shoulder

787
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Speaker 1: at the end of the year, but he's going to

788
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: try to play through this. Have you do you have

789
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: enough of a sample size where if you're the Cleveland Browns,

790
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: you say, Okay, that's our franchise quarterback moving forward and

791
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Speaker 1: we're going to pony up forty million dollars a year. No,

792
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: absolutely not, and I laughed. In the offseason, they asked

793
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Speaker 1: Browns general manager Andrew Barry whether or not the Jared

794
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: Goff and Carson Wentz contracts become cautionary tales for the Browns,

795
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Speaker 1: and he said no. I think he had to say no.

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Speaker 1: You know. The problem is, Baker is headstrong, he's a

797
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: little prickly. He wants to take charge, and he views

798
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Speaker 1: himself as being a great quarterback and that confidence has

799
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: served him well. But if you look at his press

800
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Speaker 1: conference from earlier this week, when he basically acted like

801
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: it was his birthright to be the quarterback of the

802
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: Browns and it's up to him and no one else

803
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Speaker 1: whether he's going to play with this injured shoulder, I

804
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that he said that because it's not up

805
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: to him, and at some point he is sufficiently diminished

806
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: while he's trying to play with all harness on and

807
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: the shoulder that keeps popping out, popping back in, He's

808
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: sufficiently diminished where it makes more sense to go with

809
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Speaker 1: the backup in case. Kingdom has proven he can get

810
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Speaker 1: it done, especially when working with Kevin Stefanski. They went

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Speaker 1: to the NFC Championship together in Minnesota four years ago.

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Speaker 1: So with Baker now, the bigger question is what do

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Speaker 1: you do? And Dan, this is something that kind of

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00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: flickered for me yesterday. You look at the veteran quarterbacks

815
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: out there, they're looking for a Tom Brady scenario where

816
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: they can go somewhere where the team has everything but me.

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00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: Whether it's Russell Wilson, whether it's Aaron Rodgers. One of

818
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: these veterans that is dissatisfied with the current situation wants

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Speaker 1: to go to a place where the deck is stacked

820
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Speaker 1: in their favor to win. The Browns become very attractive.

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Speaker 1: They'd have to move on from Baker. But the Browns

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Speaker 1: become attractive and Russell Wilson, by the way, it was

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Speaker 1: born in Ohio. Wouldn't that be a story if Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: I remember it was back in twenty eighteen that there

825
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: was some talk about the Seahawks trading Wilson to the

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Speaker 1: Browns for the first overall pick. It became Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: So get ready for that because I think that's going

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Speaker 1: to be coming in the offseason. But I think Seattle

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Speaker 1: would have taken Josh Allen. Well, you could, hey, look,

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Speaker 1: you could make the argument that Josh Allen's the best

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Speaker 1: of that pack. It's either him or Lamar Jackson. And

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Speaker 1: everybody's told that Seattle did so much homework on Josh

833
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Speaker 1: Allen that they were going to take Josh Allen if

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Speaker 1: they made that move the number one pick, they were

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Speaker 1: taken Josh Allen. Five quarterbacks taken in that first round,

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Speaker 1: two of them clear cut and the other three but look,

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Speaker 1: we know Josh Rosen, done, Sam Donald, who knows Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: The only fair assessment at this point is who knows?

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Speaker 1: Why would Aaron Rodgers leave the NFC North when you

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Speaker 1: pencil in four wins, you got the Bears and the Lions,

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Speaker 1: You've got four wins, and you'll take one of the

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00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: two games against Minnesota, so you got five wins guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: Why would want Why would he want to leave that?

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Speaker 1: You know, he laid out all of his concerns when

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Speaker 1: he showed up for training camp, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: those concerns automatically go away for a guy who's his

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Speaker 1: headstrong as Aaron Rodgers, if there's a better opportunity out

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Speaker 1: there for him to add to his legacy. These guys

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Speaker 1: want to add to their legacies. You know. I say

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Speaker 1: this all the time. When there's a kid who's like

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Speaker 1: eight or nine years old and he always has to

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Speaker 1: win at everything he does, We're like, that's a distasteful quality. Jimmy,

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Speaker 1: Let let the other kids have a turn. Let the

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Speaker 1: other kids win from time to time. But when they're

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Speaker 1: adults and they're playing football, we worship that mindset where

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Speaker 1: I gotta win it everything. I gotta win. I gotta win.

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Speaker 1: I gotta win. I've gotta win. It's not enough that

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Speaker 1: I'm good and I contribute to the cause. I want

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Speaker 1: to go to a place where everything is lined up

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Speaker 1: in my favorite to win and if there's another opportunity

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Speaker 1: to like that out there for Aaron Rodgers, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he wanted to go to the forty nine ers. Could

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Speaker 1: you imagine how good the forty nine ers would be

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Speaker 1: if he was their quarterback and not Jimmy Garoppolo or

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Speaker 1: Trade Lance. So don't you think it comes down to,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe Tom Brady saying, are you going to

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Speaker 1: stay with that bleep? And he was talking about Garoppolo

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Speaker 1: and San Francisco if they were to move on they've

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Speaker 1: been trying to move on, or maybe he was talking

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Speaker 1: about Trubisky with Chicago. I don't know. Tom Brady wanted

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Speaker 1: to play for the forty nine ers and the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers said no, thank you. And I think all

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Speaker 1: this kind of strange dysfunction we've seen from the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers this year where they trade up from twelve

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Speaker 1: to three and they want mac Jones unless they don't

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Speaker 1: and they take trade Lance, And is he going to

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Speaker 1: start and what's up with Jimmy. I think they have

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Speaker 1: freaked themselves out with format because they could have had

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes in twenty seventeen. It took Solomon Thomas instead

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Speaker 1: because they thought they were getting Kirk Cousins the next year,

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Speaker 1: and between the draft and free agency, they traded for

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, and then they had Tom Brady wanted to

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Speaker 1: come home and play for the team he rooted for

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Speaker 1: growing up. He was at the catch game. He wanted

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Speaker 1: to come back. And you know what did the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers sea last year in the Super Bowl? Mahomes

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Speaker 1: and Brady, and I think that freaked them out and

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Speaker 1: they're still trying to recover from that. And then Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think Aaron Rodgers thought maybe the Rams

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Speaker 1: or maybe the Niners, that that's where he was to

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Speaker 1: think that he was told. Then Dan, I think he

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Speaker 1: was told that the Packers were going to trade him,

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Speaker 1: and at some point between January and April they changed

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Speaker 1: their mind. And I think that's one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: why this went to Deacon five or Defcon one, whatever

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Speaker 1: the worst one is, I can never remember, but that's

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Speaker 1: why one of the reasons why. In late April this

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Speaker 1: blew up because I think he was led to believe

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Speaker 1: they were going to trade him, and then they eventually said, sorry,

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Speaker 1: we can't do it this year. The man who has

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Speaker 1: no awards, Mike Florio, none whatsoever. Pro football Talk line, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know maybe one day, maybe one day, Mike, I've

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Speaker 1: now now I seek and will accept no external praise.

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Speaker 1: Once you know you're not going to get it, it's

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Speaker 1: very easy to take a stand on principle and say

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Speaker 1: you don't want it. It's like the coach who takes

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Speaker 1: himself out of the running for the job that he

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Speaker 1: knows he's not going to get. I know that I

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Speaker 1: will never get a vote, for example, like on who

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Speaker 1: gets into the Hall of Fame. So I take a

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Speaker 1: stand on principle that I don't want. Don't give it

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Speaker 1: to me. I don't want it, Thank you. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to give it to me anyway. See Dan, that's

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Speaker 1: Mike Florio. Pro Football Talk