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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome to Long on the show with

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Speaker 1: normalist takes for when the news gets weird.

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Speaker 2: I am Mary Catherine Ham and.

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Speaker 3: I am Carol marcoitz him. Mary Catherine, how's it going.

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Speaker 1: It's going okay, although I do think I may be

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Speaker 1: entering my snowbird era because I am old now and

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Speaker 1: I can't get warm.

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Speaker 2: I can't get warm, Carol.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. Cut my one of my favorite comedians

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Speaker 3: in a Bragazzi. He has a whole thing on how

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Speaker 3: the older you get, the more you're like looking at

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Speaker 3: young people like where are their jackets?

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Speaker 2: True?

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Speaker 1: My children walk around in bare feet, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: don't do that. It's making me cold because I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. My toes are cold because of you. So

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Speaker 3: I'm a very big slipper person. It's like big in

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Speaker 3: my you know, Russian cultures. So I don't understand how

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Speaker 3: everybody's not wearing like warm ugs slippers around the house,

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Speaker 3: even in Florida.

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Speaker 2: But I have been so yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: So interesting weekend. I don't know how the other forty

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Speaker 3: nine states did, but Florida continued to be scandalous with

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Speaker 3: this whole illegal immigration push by our legislature. So over

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Speaker 3: the weekend someone leaked a paid influencer campaign to pay

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Speaker 3: three thousand dollars to push the legislature's bill. That's the

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Speaker 3: bill that Ron DeSantis is opposing. The governor is saying

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Speaker 3: that it's the bill is very weak. I happen to agree.

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Speaker 3: One of the main things that the bill does is

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Speaker 3: move enforcement of illegal immigration outside the Governor's office into

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Speaker 3: the Agricultural Commissioner's office, which of course makes no sense

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Speaker 3: at all. This campaign over the weekend was exposed so

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Speaker 3: fast that the few influencers, like three of them I think,

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Speaker 3: ended up deleting their tweets about it. The campaign had

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Speaker 3: Republican Party of Florida at the top, but the party

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Speaker 3: denies they had anything to do with it. Now, the

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Speaker 3: irony here is that the legislature is filled with these

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Speaker 3: really crazy people who are on x saying that opposition

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Speaker 3: to them is the AstroTurf. Meanwhile, opposition to them all

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Speaker 3: have their names on their tweets and are just saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, we support the governor. We want the governor

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Speaker 3: to have the powers that he is granted by the

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Speaker 3: Florida State Constitution, which is the side notes all this

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Speaker 3: that even if they had a majority to override the

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Speaker 3: governor's veto, it's probably unconstitutional and going straight to the courts.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 3: My last comment about this is an account that I

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Speaker 3: l THH two zero. I don't know tisal though. Two oh.

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Speaker 3: She's fantastic. She's got a large following. I just can't

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Speaker 3: pronounce her handle. She tweeted g whiz. Who would benefit

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Speaker 3: so much from this bill that they would pay influencers

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Speaker 3: to push it? Don't know who? Could it be? Possibly

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Speaker 3: big agriculture.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this thing has seemed suspicious from the get go.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you're following it.

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Speaker 1: The idea that they called it the Trump Bill just

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Speaker 1: felt like a little.

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Speaker 2: Try hard for me. That set up some flags.

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Speaker 1: And I think as right leading people, we are on

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Speaker 1: the lookout for terrible legislative ideas coming out of California

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Speaker 1: because those spread east and eventually overtake many parts of.

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Speaker 2: The US, and they don't work well.

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Speaker 1: But there are bad, plenty of bad tactics, even in

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Speaker 1: places legislatures that are run by Republicans and that have

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Speaker 1: competent governors, where bad stuff can come out of state

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Speaker 1: legislators A because people aren't thinking through things very well

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Speaker 1: and B because of these larger influences and people are

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Speaker 3: That's absolutely right. So Randy Fine, who is a state

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Speaker 3: legislature legislator here in Florida, he's going to Congress most

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Speaker 3: likely if he wins a special election in April, which

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Speaker 3: he looks like he's going to do. He's been just

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Speaker 3: aggravating and exacerbating this problem because he's erratic and irrational

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Speaker 3: on X and tweeting angry tweets at people. And basically

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Speaker 3: their entire argument is who would listen to the popular

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Speaker 3: governor of Florida when you could listen to legislators, legislators

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Speaker 3: you've never heard of, because look, the governor ran against

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump for president. How could you trust someone who

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Speaker 3: didn't stand with Donald Trump. The irony, of course, is

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Speaker 3: that Randy Fine endorsed Ron DeSantis for president against Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump before switching to Donald Trump. So it's been a

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Speaker 3: real good time down here, a lot of fun. Highly

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Speaker 3: recommend it.

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Speaker 2: I've seen I've seen Randy say it.

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Speaker 1: I'll you know, he's like getting in debate challenges all

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Speaker 1: to that if he doesn't, if she ends up taking someone.

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Speaker 4: Up on it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he's supposed to be on Dana Lash's show

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Speaker 3: today as we're recording this. I don't think it's happened yet.

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Speaker 3: He also thought he was getting an hour on her

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Speaker 3: second hour. He thought he'd have an hour on her

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Speaker 3: radio show to like, you know, tear into the governor

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Speaker 3: and how much he doesn't like him. So that's what

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Speaker 3: we're dealing with down here. You're right, you know, contagious.

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Speaker 3: Bad ideas are very contagious, and I think we caught

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Speaker 3: this from Texas.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 3: Be careful, be careful out there.

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Speaker 2: States.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it could happen to you. Your bad policies from

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Speaker 3: other red states can come to you the red state

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Speaker 3: you live in, and you could trust the Republicans in

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Speaker 3: your state. I did. I didn't even know this was

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Speaker 3: I had no idea this was a thing that I

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Speaker 3: had to be watching the Republican Party legislators in my state. Crazy.

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Speaker 3: I'm brand new to this.

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Speaker 1: Part of what you're looking for when you elect sensible

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Speaker 1: people and you have a good leader, is that you

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Speaker 1: can sort of relex, actually chill and enjoy your life.

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Speaker 1: But this is a good reminder to stay vigilant because

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Speaker 1: does not always work out like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So what it is is we trust Governor DeSantis

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Speaker 3: and right now nobody else down here. Yeah, we're going

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Speaker 3: to take a short break and come right back with Normally.

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Speaker 1: I live in a place with a very good school district, Carol,

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Speaker 1: very good, best in the nation at times in the

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Speaker 1: past twenty years or so. But that district, along with

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Speaker 1: many others, during COVID, decided to self emolate in just

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Speaker 1: astounding ways, both on social justice and on academics, and

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Speaker 1: just like shutting down. Like I silly me thought in

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Speaker 1: this area of the country, I could look to my

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Speaker 1: schools and be like, well, it's just a good school district,

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Speaker 1: I'll send my kids there. Silly, No, that was not

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Speaker 1: what happened. They shut down for two years during COVID,

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Speaker 1: and we all know what the end of that story was.

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Speaker 1: But the end of that story became a lot clearer

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Speaker 1: this week with the national report card coming out. It's

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Speaker 1: the NAEP, I believe it's the National Association for Educational Progress.

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Speaker 1: Fourth and eighth graders take this big test, and we

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Speaker 1: get the results and they're bad.

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Speaker 2: They're really, really bad, Carol.

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Speaker 1: Some of the scores are the worst in thirty something years.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm still mad about it, bro still

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Speaker 2: very very mad.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of these scores show that because they

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Speaker 1: do this every two years, it shows that, you know,

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, you could have been like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're still working on getting back what we lost during

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Speaker 1: the pandemic and because of pandemic policies and teacher union policies,

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Speaker 1: and now in twenty twenty four, we're not coming back

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Speaker 1: the way we should be. We're not regaining and you

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Speaker 1: can't blame it on just pandemic.

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Speaker 2: At this point, you made a whole and you haven't

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Speaker 2: dug out.

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Speaker 3: Of it exactly. I was going to say that that,

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Speaker 3: you know, while you know some blame for the pandemic

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Speaker 3: policies for sure, and I know that you and I

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Speaker 3: somewhat relish being right that this was going to happen,

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Speaker 3: because obviously.

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Speaker 2: It was going to happen.

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Speaker 3: After a while, you really can't keep blaming the pandemic

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Speaker 3: era policies. There's a piece by Frederick hess he's executive

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Speaker 3: editor of the website education next, and he writes the

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Speaker 3: measure of a school leader gradually became a willingness to

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Speaker 3: parrot the tenets of social justice. Professional developers urged teachers

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Speaker 3: do their best to combat climate change. The grandiose ambitions

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Speaker 3: After all time devoted to gender unicorns or interrogating privilege,

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Speaker 3: his time not spent on science for math and the

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Speaker 3: associated doctrines undermine academic pursuits. That's you know, we also

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Speaker 3: have been saying that for a long time that every

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Speaker 3: you're not spending on math.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've never understood the argument that DEI doesn't take

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Speaker 1: from other principal missions of your work, because we all

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Speaker 1: have finite time, right, and public schools in particular are

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Speaker 1: always saying we have too many students and too many

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Speaker 1: to add a whole other raft of non academic concerns

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Speaker 3: The whole time, right, it's the whole second.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's.

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Speaker 3: Interesting about the fourth grade scores in particular, those kids

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Speaker 3: he if we stayed in New York, he would be

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Speaker 3: it because I don't think he's at level for fourth grade.

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Speaker 3: He's in third grade in Florida, because it's a different

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Speaker 3: we moved to Florida. I saw that this online nonsense

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Speaker 3: Where they memorized all these words. It turned out he

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Speaker 3: All of that kind of collided to say that this

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Speaker 3: him out of here. That was our main reason for

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Speaker 3: moment of Florida was our youngest son. Again, these fourth

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Speaker 3: graders were lost school because Randy Weingarten didn't want the

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Speaker 3: teachers to go back into buildings that were safe, and

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Speaker 3: everybody else is going back, and these weak politicians listened

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Speaker 3: to the teacher unions and they kept school closed, and

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Speaker 3: these kids lost a very pivotal time in their lives.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting that I think we'll watch this cohort, this

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Speaker 3: know that they were covered by eighth grade. I don't

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Speaker 3: know that this improves for them. I mean, we've thrown

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Speaker 3: a lot of resources at our son and he's gotten

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Speaker 3: a lot better, but he's just not where his older

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Speaker 3: two siblings were at this point because it hit him

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think putting five and six year olds on

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Speaker 1: Zoom is one of the worst policy decisions ever made.

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Speaker 1: I think that we failed them in very serious ways.

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Speaker 1: Once you've created a whole, it's hard to climb out

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Speaker 1: of it you put I mean, and as we noted,

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Speaker 1: and as this test notes, it was the people who

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Speaker 3: It's not groundbreaking information. If you teach math and reading

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Speaker 2: The go get a blue Hulu hoop.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to grapple with what's ahead of them, and

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Speaker 1: Play just a little bit of a former DNC head now,

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Speaker 2: Please, do you.

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Speaker 4: Are in this next ballot where you have two votes,

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Speaker 1: Actually, Stuart Varney asked me on Fox today, Can you

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Speaker 2: And I said no, but I know that it looks stupid,

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Speaker 3: Right, What was going on there? They you could only

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Speaker 1: Well, and I guess they have quotas for who they

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, the ratio didn't seem to work out.

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Speaker 2: That's not going to get you wins, right.

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Speaker 3: No lessons learned. The fact that they went with David

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Speaker 3: This is a guy who has no experience in anything.

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Speaker 3: I think the only thing that really he's ever done

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Speaker 1: Well, he seems to think, and his argument is that

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 2: His Democrat, Yes, from Florida.

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Speaker 1: That's where this sort of his idea for his pack

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Speaker 1: Give a little bit to a few candidates, several of

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Speaker 2: Who unsurprisingly lost.

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Speaker 1: Guys, I don't think you have your finger on the

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Speaker 2: Of David hog clips.

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Speaker 1: So look, he's a bit of an entity unto himself,

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Speaker 3: It's just such a bizarre choice. And I think that

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Speaker 3: and all of this nonsense. Like Trump was elected to

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Speaker 3: move away from that. Democrats should take that opportunity. They

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Speaker 3: don't have to listen to us. Look, we're two conservatives, fine,

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Speaker 3: but we're actually telling them the right thing to do

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Speaker 3: to save themselves. Well here on normal nonsense behind yeah,

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Speaker 1: We pride ourselves on being at least normally adjacent. And

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Speaker 1: I can look at David Hogg and tell you he's

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Speaker 1: not going to reach normal male, young voters. I can

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Speaker 1: just I can tell you that. And there are people

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Speaker 1: of sort of like local mma fights and visited those and.

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Speaker 2: You know, wooed young Hispanic men.

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Speaker 1: There are people who get like what a dude is right,

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Speaker 1: not that that's their only.

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Speaker 2: Problem, but uh, David Hog isn't one of them.

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Speaker 3: No, and so old you know tweets of his surfaced

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Speaker 3: where he said things like I'm never running for office

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Speaker 3: he ran for office.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, another straight white guy. So I hope for.

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Speaker 1: Their sake that Ken Martin, who is a Minnesota Democrat,

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Speaker 2: Kind of.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy looking for than Hog. Yes, Hog, of course,

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Speaker 1: we should say, rose to prominence as an anti gun,

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Speaker 3: There's no doing right. Yeah, the Democrats have signed up

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Speaker 3: for somebody like this for a little while. Let's see

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Speaker 3: how it goes for them, Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 2: This is the thing.

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Speaker 1: Neither party can totally count on the other party being

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Speaker 1: terrible enough so that they win. I know that both

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Speaker 1: parties want to do that desperately, and they really try.

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Speaker 1: You do have to deliver something other than not Trump,

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Speaker 1: and if they didn't learn that this time around, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a problem. Yeah.

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