1 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: The show goes on. 2 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 2: This is the official show on the Fist Strips podcast 3 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: channel with me Eli Sussman, the managing editor of Fists Strips, 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 2: where we cover your Miami Marlins every day in our 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 2: own way. The trade deadline dust has finally settled after Tuesday. 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: Recording this on Wednesday, and the Marlins completed only one move, 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 2: but it was kind of an unconventional move and fairly 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: interesting as far as these deadline deals go, which means 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: that we plenty of time to break it down as 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: thoroughly as we possibly can. It's going to ultimately be 11 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: a four player transaction between the Marlins and the Blue Jays. 12 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: So my special guest on this episode it is Sean Doyle, 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: founder of Jays from the Couch. You can check out 14 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: all of his Blue Jays coverage on Jays Fromthcouch dot com. 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: We'll dive deep into this latest trade, look ahead to 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: other potential additional deals that could come together between these 17 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: two teams in the near term future. They have a 18 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: lot of pieces. They complimentary pieces, i would say, and 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: as proved to be the case in this one. So 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: thank you for joining me. Sean. 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: Oh are you kidding at the pleasure, thanks for having 22 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: me on. 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 2: And so these teams will start with this some history, 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: because the Marlins and Blue Jays are not strangers to 25 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: each other in terms of making deals. This is the 26 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: third straight year that they've had a mid season deal 27 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: like this, this one on deadline day in twenty twenty one. 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: That was the awkward Adam Simber, Corey Dickerson, who did 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: the Marlins even get? They got Joe Panic and Andrew mcinvale. 30 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: Very bizarre one that was in the middle. 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: Of your one. 32 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: Do you remember what they did in twenty twenty on 33 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: deadline day between these teams. 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty, Yeah, so on deadline I don't off the 35 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: top of my head, I don't remember. Twenty twenty was 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: a weird sixty game season, so I don't recall. 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: It was Jonathan VR for Griffin conn. 38 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: Oh. Yes see. There's the thing is that most Blue 39 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: Jays fans want to forget right. Yeah, that was a 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: rather a lead balloon. I think it's the term that 41 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: best describes that. 42 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and still a little while ago to be sure 43 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: that Conan contributes to the Marlins and the Majors, but 44 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: they're cautiously optimistic. He's made some nice strides the past 45 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: couple of years, going back to twenty twenty two, and 46 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: as I said that history could lay the foundation for 47 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: future deals. I imagine in terms of this deadline, the 48 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: Blue Jays entering the deadline, they were at the time 49 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: fifty seven and forty five. They were holding out the 50 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: first American League wild card spot. They had, according to fangrafts, 51 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: about a ninety seven percent chance to make the playoffs, 52 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: almost locked in. At this point, you're kind of just 53 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 2: playing for something more than that, playing for mostly October 54 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: at this point. What were you hoping to see from 55 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: the jay Is on deadline day? Because ultimately I believe 56 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: it was four different moves. Are you satisfied with what 57 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: they did? 58 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really interesting. I think there's a lot of 59 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 3: people who, as soon as the deadline pass, were I 60 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 3: would say disappointed. In all honesty, I think that we 61 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: were hoping for, you know, Luis Castillo. You know, some 62 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 3: people even held out hope for Aman Soto or Shoheotani 63 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: kind of thing, but that faded quickly. I think people 64 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 3: realized that wasn't overly realistic considering what the Blue Jays 65 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: actually needed. But in general, I would say that the 66 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: mood was pretty disappointing. It's taken a while for everybody 67 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: to kind of come to terms with why these deals 68 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: happened the way they did, and in particular, why the 69 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 3: names that came to Toronto are actually a good thing 70 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: as opposed to the big names that people were hoping 71 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: to see. 72 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: Right the one that focused on in this particular case 73 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: was between the Marlins and the Blue Jays four player deal, 74 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: and you see it up there, and I'll put it 75 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: on the bottom for people to see as well, a 76 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: three for one. It will ultimately be with the Marlins 77 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: sending Anthony Bass Zach Pop a player to be named later, 78 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: and in return receiving infield prospect Jordan Grosians. I need 79 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: to keep making sure I pronounce his name correctly. It's 80 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: a tricky one, but the former first round draft pick 81 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: of the Blue Is. We'll get into him in the moment, 82 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: but as the guest, I wanted to start with the 83 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: players that the Blue Jays are getting in return here, 84 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: players that, especially in Bass's case. We'll start with Bass 85 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: is somebody that Blue Jays are familiar with and that 86 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: they clearly got him with the intention of plugging him. 87 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: His major league team and making their bullpen better. 88 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. I think the Blue Jays entered the 89 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 3: trade deadline with one very clear need and that was 90 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 3: the bullpen. You know, it would have been nice to 91 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: get a starter and maybe even an extra pat, but 92 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 3: they address their bullpen, which was the biggest need. And 93 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: Anthony Bass is somebody that the Blue Jays front office 94 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: is very familiar with having, you know, spent time here 95 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 3: in Toronto not too long ago. And he'll slot in 96 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: in in a perfect spot because they've got Jordan romanoa closer, 97 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 3: Jimmy Garcia in the eighth inning, Anthony Bass and the 98 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 3: seventh inning. Slide them right in there, and you've almost 99 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 3: got kind of something you don't necessarily see a whole 100 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 3: lot of anymore in baseball, but that kind of seven 101 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 3: eight nine defined roles that the Blue Jays are going 102 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: to roll out there, and I think it's a good one. 103 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 3: It's a great Anthony Bass is a great addition to 104 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 3: what they already have. I think a lot of people 105 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: were looking for a big name, like a Rhizo l 106 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 3: Iglesias from the Los Angeles Angels, you know, another closer, 107 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 3: but they didn't really need one. You know they've got 108 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 3: an all star closer already, so I think what they 109 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: really needed was somebody who could come in and fill 110 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 3: a particular role. And Anthony Bass does that for sure. 111 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 4: To two pitch, swing, n miss, Another terrific slider there 112 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 4: for Bash, two balls, two strikes, two outs, tie game, 113 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 4: last of the ninth. There he go, he did, Anthony Bash, 114 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 4: strikes out the side. 115 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: In terms a particular role, You're on the money because 116 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: the Marlins seem to get the best out of him 117 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: by putting him very specifically into the seventh inning, like 118 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: it became a running joke last year the Marlins signed him, 119 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 2: he weren't aware he started last year as their closer, 120 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: and that did not go well. And there have been 121 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: moments the last two years where they've tried to put 122 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: him back in there, and it's just it's just really 123 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: remarkable that every time he pitches in the ninth inning 124 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 2: in a save situation, something goes wrong, even when it's 125 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: out of his control. And yet when he's in the 126 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: seventh inning, the numbers were off the charts, and for 127 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 2: whatever reason, like that routine went well for him. I 128 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: just want to say, personally, I feel like and apparently 129 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: it seems that major League teams themselves, I think they're 130 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: sleeping on exactly how amazing he has been this year. 131 00:06:58,640 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: Overall. 132 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: I know he has a long history of being basically 133 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: a four era, a four fielder, independent, pitchy guy, like 134 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: a very ordinary reliever. And I understand why people might 135 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: be skeptical but what he's done this year. But the 136 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: way that he's attacking the strike zone early in the count, 137 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: and the way that he is trusting his slider more 138 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: than ever to put hitters away and to get like 139 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: this ideal type of contact, I don't think he's going 140 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: to regress as much as a lot of people might suspect. 141 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: The rest of the way, I think you got a 142 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: really good one. And to be clear for people that 143 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: aren't aware, he does have a club option for next 144 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: year that the Blue Jays will very likely pick up 145 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: assuming nothing turns disastrous down the stretch. 146 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to think so, right, a three million 147 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: dollar reliever is you know, that's that's nothing really in 148 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: this day and age, when you're seeing guys, you know, 149 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: get fifteen million dollars a season for being, you know, 150 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: one of the top relievers. And I think that's part 151 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 3: of what played into the Blue Jays decision was that 152 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: extra year that they have. But I think you're you 153 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: have an excellent point there that that sometimes major League 154 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: baseball is about finding the right spot to use guys 155 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: in right, and I think that clearly Miami did that 156 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: with Anthony Bass and now the Blue Jays are going 157 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: to hopefully benefit from that. 158 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: Now moving to Zach Pop himself also a reliever this 159 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: year with the Marlins about split pretty evenly between Triple 160 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: A Jacksonville and in the major leagues. 161 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: What did you know about Pop. 162 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: Prior to this because this is only a second major 163 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: league season and he is a native Canadian, right, Yeah, 164 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: I'm curious what your impressions of him were when finding 165 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 2: out he was in here. 166 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was about it, really. You know, most most 167 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 3: Blue Jays fans new he was Canadian. You know, the 168 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: hard throwing. But I think that what we're looking forward 169 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: to is just more depth for that bullpen kind of raising. 170 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: You know, it's become a term here I don't know 171 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: about in Miami Marlin circles. Raising the floor has become 172 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: a term that Blue Jays fans are certainly familiar with, 173 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: and I think that's that's what we get with Zach 174 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: Popp and in particular the Blue Jays love they have 175 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: an obsession with years of control over players. And I 176 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 3: know that they're not unique in that situation, but they are. 177 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: They're willing to pay for it. And so Zach Pop 178 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: gets to come home play for a contending team, and 179 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 3: I think it's a kind of a match made in heaven. 180 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: You just ring my memory. 181 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: One of the few times I've heard Ross Atkins speak 182 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: is I think, didn't he have like this a very 183 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: memorable line about years of control getting in exchange, maybe 184 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: with the Marcus Stroman trade. 185 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: It was one particular deal. 186 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: I remember that he took some flak for like touting 187 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: the years of control all the players that were getting 188 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: back after trading like a very impactful. 189 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah team. 190 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: He stopped actually using the phrase for a while there 191 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 3: because I think fans were just like, calm on, you know, 192 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: that's that that seems to be the driving force a 193 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 3: lot of the targets. You know, when you traded Josh 194 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: Donaldson for Julian Merriweather, that was a thing, you know, 195 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: And there's a number of examples of that throughout his 196 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: tenure in the front office and now we've kind of, 197 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a chicken and egg thing here, 198 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 3: but now Blue Jays fans are like, yeah, you know what, 199 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: that's a good thing. He'll be here for a few 200 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: more years. And I think they kind of have kind 201 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 3: of let that message sink into themselves a little bit 202 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: as well. 203 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: It's a much different philosophy than the Marlins. I noticed 204 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 2: that in each of the last few full seasons, Marlins 205 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 2: have traded a guy exactly like Pop that that's pre 206 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: arbitration eligible and that is showing interesting things as a reliever. 207 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 2: They did it with Nick Anderson to the Rays in 208 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, they did it last year with John Curtis 209 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: to the Brewers. All guys that were having pretty good 210 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: seasons and had were very inexpensive and very controllable. But 211 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: especially when it comes to relievers, Marlins don't seem to 212 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: be too worried about that configuration. And one other note 213 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: for me, just on Pop is this year he is 214 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: almost a one pitch pitcher. He's throwing his sinker like 215 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: eighty three percent of the time. It's basically him. It's Clay. 216 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 2: You're familiar with Clay Holmes of the Yankees, it's basically 217 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: him and homes that are at the top of the 218 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 2: major league leaderboard in terms of relying on that one pitch. 219 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: It's it doesn't get as many swings and misses as 220 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: Clay Holmes's does, but it's getting a lot of ground balls. 221 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: And we contact for only Chick Pop's stats overall, because 222 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: he's been very good this year. What's not like even 223 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 2: showing in the stats is that they've been bringing him 224 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: in with inherited base runners and he's been almost perfect 225 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 2: at stranding them. He just had this one outing right 226 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 2: before he got delt where he had this finger issue 227 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: and that's when he allowed like a crooked number that 228 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: almost doubled his era. But overall, he's another guy just 229 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: like that that. Although as I get to a little bit, 230 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 2: I'm in favor of what the Marlins did in this deal, 231 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: I think just like that, has Pop is somebody that 232 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: as soon as this year, I think he can actually 233 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 2: improve the Jays bullpen or almost any other because he 234 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: is he's unique. He's a little bit different than a 235 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: lot of these other believers. 236 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm glad you said that, because I think 237 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: that one thing we've seen over the past couple of 238 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 3: years is roz Adkins has a kind of epiphany for affinity, 239 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: I should say, for strikeout guys swing and miss stuff, 240 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 3: and Zach Pop doesn't necessarily fit that, but what he 241 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 3: does do is get a lot of ground balls. And 242 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: the Blue Jays have made defense a priority with Matt 243 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: Chapman at third base, who's actually made you know, Boba 244 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 3: Schett just a little bit better as well. And so 245 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 3: the defense for the Blue Jays has improved. And so 246 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: I think, you know, maybe last year you don't see 247 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 3: them going after a guy who has a ground ball 248 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: rate of well over sixty percent. But this year I 249 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: think they felt confident that they could do that. You know, 250 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: you need a late double play, why not bring in Pop? 251 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: Right, So, now to the Marlins side of the deal 252 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: with Jordan Grossen's the former first round draft pick who 253 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: has picked one spot ahead of the Marlins in twenty eighteen. 254 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 2: From my understanding, he the Marlins were very interested in 255 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 2: drafting him back then if he fell to them. 256 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 5: Them and the Marlins they were every game, you know, 257 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 5: they were heavy, heavy, heavy. Scouted me had previous history 258 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 5: because my brother, Yeah, I didn't know I was gonna 259 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 5: be a Blue Jay to the eleventh pick. 260 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: Which maybe b is not a coincidence that they actually 261 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: targeted him in this deal, but it is unusual to 262 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: deal several major leage veterans to get a prospect in return, 263 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: and I think because of that pass connection, I think 264 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: that was just one of the factors that drew them 265 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: to him in this situation. 266 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you see a lot of that more 267 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 3: so now. I think in baseball, where you know, teams 268 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 3: have had their eye on somebody for a long time, 269 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 3: and Ross Atkins is certainly one of those people, you know. 270 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 3: So I know we're going to talk about Pablo Lopez 271 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: probably a little bit later, but you know the fact 272 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 3: that he's had his eye on Pablo Lopez for a 273 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,599 Speaker 3: while means that you can bet there will be some 274 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 3: conversations this winter. But for Miami, yeah, they were one 275 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: pick away from getting Jordan Groshans in twenty eighteen out 276 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 3: of high school and Blue Jays took him. But still 277 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: just twenty two years old. You know, there's lots of 278 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: room for developments for him, right. 279 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: I checked out one of your articles on Jays from 280 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: the couch dot Com from just a few days ago 281 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: that didn't mention Grossans as somebody that could be in 282 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: one of these packages of a trade that they make 283 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: to improve the major league team right now. So you're 284 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: probably not too surprised that he may have been dealt 285 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: to this deadline. 286 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 3: No, I'm not surprised at all. Actually, I would have 287 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: put a good deal of money down that Jordan Groshens 288 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: would have been dealt at the deadline. I think what 289 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 3: I am surprised about, though, is the entirety of the 290 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 3: package that they got for Jordan Grosens. You know the 291 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: fact that they got Anthony Bassen, Zach Pop alone, but 292 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 3: also a player to be named later. I know that, 293 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: you know, from Miami Marlins fans, seeing that you got 294 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 3: an organization's fourth best prospect is it's pretty pretty good. 295 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 3: It's nothing to sneeze at. But Jordan Grosshan's you know, 296 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: he's he's he's not a complete player as of yet. 297 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: Probably last year they you know, a lot of fans 298 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: were saying he was having a great year. A lot 299 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: of fans were saying, you know what, this might be 300 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: the third basement of the future. And Toronto they went 301 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 3: and traded for Matt Chapman because Jordan Grossen's obviously isn't 302 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: ready yet. But then they went and extended Matt Chapman 303 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: for a couple more years, and maybe we should have 304 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: at that point said maybe Jordan Groshen's isn't quite what 305 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: we thought he would be. And if you look at 306 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 3: his season this year, he's still getting on base, which 307 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 3: is great, but as a third base prospect, and the 308 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 3: Blue Jays have had him in Buffalo playing all over 309 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: the field, you know, at first base, at shortstop and 310 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: in the corner outfield spots as well to save three 311 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: runs as he Chaps went towards shorts to be a 312 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: tough play. Grocer's backhands off, bounced throw. 313 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 4: Wow, he got a what if player by Grocers going 314 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 4: to is right, and he throws out Stevenson at first base. 315 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 3: Brilliant playing. I think the one thing that's going to 316 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 3: be tricky for him is that when you play third base, 317 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: you gotta, you know, you should have some kind of 318 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 3: power from that position. And I think in his minor 319 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: league total minor league career, he's got like fifteen home 320 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: runs total, you know, And yes, the power is always 321 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: the last thing to develop, they say, but he's going 322 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: to have to do quite a bit of development if 323 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: he's going to stick at third base as an everyday 324 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: third basement at the big leagues, right, I'm going to 325 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 3: play this brief highly package again, it was mostly from 326 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: this year, but I cheated with this. 327 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: First highlight, this no doubt home run. This was last year. 328 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: This year he's only hit one home run that I 329 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: think is later on in here that got over the wall, 330 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 2: but it was You're absolutely right in that based on 331 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and even prior to that, he was 332 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: widely considered it almost a consensus top one hundred prospect 333 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 2: in all of baseball, And for the moments, there is 334 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: no longer that consensus, you know, based on some people, 335 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 2: and mostly comes down to this power or lack thereof, 336 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 2: and the questions about it for people that have not 337 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: seen the stats. Sixty seven games at Triple A this 338 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: year and one home run at Triple A. He plays 339 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: in the International League. I don't think he's played head 340 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 2: to head with Marlins prospects, but the Marlins Triple A 341 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 2: team offensively this year has put up amazing numbers in 342 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 2: this league. To see the contrast between would have been 343 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 2: some very fringe players in the Marlins organization hit well 344 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 2: at Triple A this year, whereas this guy, as we said, 345 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: somebody that has quite a bit of pedigree, is a 346 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 2: former first round pick and somebody that as recently as 347 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: last year was opsing in the eight hundreds. To see 348 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 2: that big drop off is yeah, it's very complicated because 349 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 2: this is a new level for him, and he is 350 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: very young for this level as well. There's just a 351 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: lot of factors in trying to determine whether or not 352 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: that power is eventually going to come for him. 353 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. And his ops has always been great, 354 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: but he has an ability to put the bat on 355 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: the ball and like I said, to get on base. 356 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 3: It's just that that power thing and maybe you know, 357 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: who knows, it could be just a small tweak and 358 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 3: then off, you know, he's off to the races kind 359 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 3: of thing. You know, we've seen it before and countless 360 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 3: other people that you know, they go to a new team, 361 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: make a little change, and away they go. So hopefully, 362 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 3: for his sake, I hope that the Marlins are able 363 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 3: to figure that out for him, because I've been high 364 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 3: on Grossans for a while. He just hasn't been able 365 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 3: to kind of add that element to his game that 366 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 3: I think you kind of need as an everyday third 367 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 3: basement in the bigs. 368 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: Right that being. 369 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 2: The other factor is whether he's a third basement or shortstop, 370 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 2: And based on your opinion, you seem pretty confident that 371 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: it's going to be more likely third based on short 372 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: For what it's worth, as almost as we're recording this, 373 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 2: he's going to be making his Marlins organizational debut wit 374 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 2: triple A as shortstop, So they're going to try him 375 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 2: at shortstop at least for the near term future. That 376 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 2: speaks to more of kind of a hole that they 377 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: have in the organization, more so than his skill set, 378 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: but that that's going to be a very big difference 379 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,239 Speaker 2: because if you're a shortstop, you don't necessarily need very 380 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 2: much power in order to be a valuable player. But exactly, 381 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,959 Speaker 2: I totally agree that if it is third base, then 382 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: that is a big consideration. 383 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think too the you know, there was 384 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 3: and I don't know how much of the Blue Jays 385 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: trying They've done a lot of work and mixing and 386 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 3: matching their defensive I guess I don't know versatility among 387 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 3: their minor leaguers, you know, trying to move them around, 388 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 3: trying to find a spot either trying to spot find 389 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 3: a spot that works, or you know, trying to increase 390 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 3: the value of those those players and what they can 391 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 3: bring to the club. And so maybe, know what, if 392 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 3: Jordan Grossen's settles in it shorts up, that's not a 393 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 3: bad thing at all. I wonder if if his glove 394 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 3: work is up to the challenge of playing major league 395 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 3: shorts up. But you know, hopefully, hopefully, like I said, 396 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 3: hopefully the Marlins can figure out how to kind of 397 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: develop that that bat just so that you know, he 398 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: has a bigger I guess, a better chance of contributing 399 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 3: as he ages. 400 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, we're going to We're going to pivot 401 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: to a trade that did not happen between these teams, 402 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 2: with Pablo Lopez being somebody at the Marlins, not just 403 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 2: at this deadline, but probably for the better part of 404 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: two years now, have at least been listening as somebody 405 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 2: that they could move because they have a lot of 406 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 2: confidence in their own pitching pipeline, and because probably at 407 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: this particular moment, his value might not get any higher 408 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 2: than it was at the deadline. Based on most reports, 409 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 2: it doesn't even seem like the Blue Jays made a 410 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 2: big push for him at the deadline. It was mostly Yankees, Dodgers, 411 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 2: and a little bit of Cardinals as well. But you 412 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 2: but in the past as recently as I think this 413 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: past off season, there was a direct link between the 414 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: Blue Jays showing interest in Pablo. That's kind of your 415 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 2: understanding of it, too, right. 416 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And I think that just because you know, 417 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 3: we didn't hear about it, I would. I would be 418 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: shocked if Ross Atkins didn't ask at least ask about 419 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: Pablo Lopez again, because we know we did last off season. 420 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: I'd be shocked if he didn't this trade deadline, and 421 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 3: I would be shocked if he doesn't again in the 422 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: off season coming. I think the Blue Jays have have 423 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 3: wanted for a while whether they maybe felt now was 424 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: not necessarily the right time to go after another starter 425 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 3: of that of that quality. Maybe they felt that the 426 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 3: prices were just a bit high at the trade deadline, 427 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 3: because I you know, I'm sure you were paying attention 428 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 3: and there were you know, there was some pretty steep 429 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: asks out there that probably led to some players not 430 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 3: being traded that maybe could would or should have, So 431 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 3: you know, maybe the trade deadline wasn't the time to 432 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 3: do that, but you can bet that the Toronto Blue 433 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 3: Jays will be calling again this winter. 434 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Marlins themselves were at a very awkward position 435 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 2: where they do, as I mentioned, have a lot of 436 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 2: great arms coming up through the system. A number of 437 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: them are injured, including several Tommy John survivors that are 438 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 2: in the middle of their rehab where it's a little 439 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: uncertain in the immediate term exactly how they would replace him. 440 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: But he's under team control through twenty twenty four, and 441 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: I would say the chances of him being a Marlin 442 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 2: through twenty twenty four seem pretty low. Even kim Eng 443 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: was at least asked on Tuesday, the day before recording 444 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: that she was asked if Paplo is saying, have you 445 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: considered a contract extension for him to then here's a 446 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 2: clip control And she deflected that one in the most 447 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 2: polite way possible. And I don't think that's necessarily her issue. 448 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 5: It. 449 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: This is a whole different tangent about the Marlins and 450 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 2: their lack of financial resources and whether they'd actually be 451 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 2: willing to after already giving me a long term deal 452 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 2: to Sandy al Contra, whether they'd be willing to do 453 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: the same for another starting pitcher. So that is going 454 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 2: to this deadline, I was very much on the fence 455 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 2: as to whether they would deal him or not, and 456 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 2: it did, by all accounts, go down to the wire 457 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: based on the Marlins, just hoping that one of those 458 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: teams would hit their very high asking price, and ultimately 459 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: that did not go through. But I expect him to 460 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 2: still be very much available as soon as this offseason. 461 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 3: Once again, and it's funny you mentioned that because leading 462 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 3: up to the deadline, I also was trying to find 463 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: as many kind of interviews and what have you with 464 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 3: ang because I wanted to know how available Pablo Lopez was. 465 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: I had kind of thought that on our podcast, one 466 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 3: of our viewers had asked, you know, who's somebody that 467 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 3: the blue Jays could bring in that we don't necessarily 468 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 3: see coming, And my answer was Pablo Lopez. And and 469 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: I just because there's that again, there's that desire on 470 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: the part of the Blue Jays, And so I was 471 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 3: listening to the things she was saying, and you know, 472 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: she hadn't talked to him about being traded, and you 473 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 3: know she made a comment that you know, well, he 474 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 3: obviously knows what's going on. And he's been pitching fine, 475 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 3: so it's not bothering him. And then right before the 476 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 3: deadline he goes and has a pretty bad outing against 477 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: the Mets, and in my head, I'm like, Okay, maybe 478 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: she did say something to him, so you know, maybe 479 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 3: there was a deal that was almost I guess come 480 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 3: to fruition. I'm just glad it wasn't the Yankees. 481 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: That's all right. 482 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: We're not going to go too deep into mock Pablo 483 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 2: trades at the moment. There's just one player I wanted 484 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: to ask you about, which is catching prospect Gabriel Moreno. 485 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: Entering this year widely regarded as it's not the very 486 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: best catching prospect in baseball, certainly up there. He has 487 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 2: now had a cup of coffee in the majors, and 488 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 2: I believe these teams had any engagement on a Pablo 489 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: deal over the off season, Moreno would have been almost 490 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 2: certainly off limits, just because of how high his upside is, 491 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 2: in the very rare skills that he has for a catcher, 492 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: all those factors. And I'm curious, not maybe somewhat because 493 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: of Moreno, but probably more so because of how Alejandro 494 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 2: Kirk has been amazing this year as the primary catcher 495 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: for the Jays. That is that like one particular player 496 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 2: that if he's he would be the centerpiece presumably if 497 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 2: in one scenario for a Pablo trade. Do you think 498 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 2: that's somebody that would be more available this upcoming off 499 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: season than he was last offseason. 500 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fascinating question, and I wish I knew 501 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 3: like a concrete answer there, because I think the blue 502 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 3: Jay's catching situation over the last eighteen months or so 503 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 3: has kind of been fluid, you know, there was it 504 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 3: feels like for a year now we've been here in 505 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 3: you know, on the blue Jay side of things, we've 506 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 3: been saying, now is the time betrayed Alejandro Kirk because 507 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 3: his value has never been higher, you know, going into 508 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: the off season, we absolutely said that. And then you 509 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: can run with Danny Janssen as your primary catcher and 510 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 3: then as soon as Gabriel Moreno is ready, bring him up. 511 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: And now here we are. Alejandro Kirk was an All 512 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 3: Star and that I think has changed the conversation now 513 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 3: as far as whether or not the front office agrees 514 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 3: with you know, the fan base, because I think some 515 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 3: of the fan base was you know, at the point 516 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: where if it takes Gabriel Marino to win a World Series, 517 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: then deal him. If you have to. Then you know, 518 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 3: it's kind of, you know, not necessarily that you want 519 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 3: to deal the best catching prospect in baseball, but if 520 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 3: if that's the price, then so be it. But the 521 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 3: front office, they really have this. They put a premium 522 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 3: on two things, years of control and future value, and 523 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 3: he has both. So it'll be very fascinating to me 524 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 3: because all three catchers have great value for very different reasons, 525 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 3: you know, and and which one of them is the 526 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 3: one that's kind of on the outside looking in. You 527 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 3: asked me the same question next month, and it could 528 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 3: be a completely different answer, because that's how fluid the 529 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 3: whole conversation is. That being said, Pablo Lopez, if you 530 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 3: know or any any starting pitcher, let's be frank. You know, 531 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: in the off season, you know that general managers are 532 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: going to be asking the Blue Jays about Gabriel Marino, 533 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 3: and if the Blue Jays feel they're close enough to, 534 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 3: you know, to a championship team, they may for the 535 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 3: first time consider trading him. But I think that would 536 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 3: be a rare circumstance. I think what you really see 537 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 3: is probably Danny Jansen or Alejandro Kirk, which would be 538 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 3: a little tough because Kirk has established himselves so well 539 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 3: this season. 540 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 2: Right, it's going to be and I just can't wait 541 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: to go through all those scenarios. This offseason for the 542 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 2: Marlins seemed that ten games under five hundred, that's one 543 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: of the things we're looking forward to. Unfortunately, this time 544 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: of year, the last thing I wanted to get intoview 545 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 2: is that another storyline for the Marlins last two months 546 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 2: is probably going to be the final days of Don 547 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: Mattingly as a team's manager. He's been the longest tenured 548 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 2: manager in franchise history. It's been known that he was 549 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: on in a walk here entering this year and that 550 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: the team would simply need to perform a lot better 551 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: than the year before in order to keep him around 552 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 2: for a while. It looked like maybe he would be 553 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: in a situation to earn a new deal, but things 554 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: have really fallen apart, especially over the last month or so. 555 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: In a new article from the Miami Herald, it had 556 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: some candid comments from him about him admitting himself that 557 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: he's not totally one hundred percent gung ho about sticking 558 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 2: around in the job if he's not wanted, he's just 559 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: putting it out there. Potentially, not that he would get fired, 560 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: but he might quit before they fire him, something like that. 561 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: So I bring it up because the Blue Jays made 562 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 2: their own managerial change just last month. They had Charlie 563 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: Montoyo for three and a half years and switched to 564 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: John Schneider and Montoya. With Montoya, there were a little 565 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: bit over five hundred since that changed. They'd been great 566 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 2: in the small sample in Montoya just happened to be 567 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: one guy in my mind as I'm beginning to put 568 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 2: together this list of potential replacements, Montoya was one that 569 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: obviously was a very hot managerial prospect when the Jays 570 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: signed him, and now that he's going to be available again, 571 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 2: he has a lot of attributes that I was curious about. 572 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 2: What from your opinion, could you just give us an 573 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: idea of why exactly that that relationship ended where it 574 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: did in the middle of the year, and what do 575 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: you think about him as a manager? 576 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I think that at the time Charlie 577 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: Montoya was hired, the Charlio Blue Jays front office was 578 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 3: looking for somebody who had experience using analytics, and would 579 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 3: be open to the conversations from the front office. And 580 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 3: when I say conversations, really I mean it's you know, 581 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 3: kind of like the front office saying here's what you 582 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 3: should do, go do it kind of thing. And Charlie 583 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 3: Montoya was good at that. He had no problem doing that. 584 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 3: One of the things I think the biggest reason they 585 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 3: brought him in was because he had success in the 586 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 3: minor leagues and the Rays organization. Uh and you know, 587 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 3: and they they at the time, the Blue Jays were 588 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 3: a young team and they needed a manager who could 589 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 3: work with young kids, you know, the Vlad juniors and 590 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 3: the Bobachetts and the Calvin Bigio's and and helped them 591 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: kind of grow into big league players. The thing that 592 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: I think that the Blue Jays front office didn't count 593 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 3: on was the team getting this good that quickly. And 594 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 3: so then what happened was kind of Charlie Montoyo, I think, 595 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 3: found himself in a role that he wasn't necessarily suited for. 596 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 3: He's a very good kind of like instructional coach, you know, 597 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 3: a manager who can, like I said, bring those young 598 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 3: kids in. But then now that they're here, what next 599 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 3: they have to take that next step to be a 600 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 3: championship team. And at the time when he was let go, 601 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 3: there was a lot of conversations and you had to 602 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 3: read between the lines, and then it became kind of, 603 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 3: you know, it was not just between the lines, it 604 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 3: was the lines that he kind of lost the clubhouse 605 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 3: in the sense that he wasn't able to hold the 606 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 3: feet to the fire, so to speak, to light a 607 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 3: fire under players, to kind of get that accountability out 608 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 3: of them, you know. And Bobashad, probably more bluntly than 609 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 3: anybody said, you know, the front office that felt like 610 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 3: there was a time for a change, and I don't disagree, 611 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 3: you know, Whereas now they have John Schneider who won 612 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 3: a championship, two championships with multiple of these young kids 613 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 3: in the minors, and he grew up with them, and 614 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 3: he knows how to make them win, right and he 615 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 3: knows how to get the most out of them. So 616 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 3: Charlie Montelio, I guess, to sum it up, was good 617 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 3: for what the intention was, and he was very good 618 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 3: at that, very nice guy, very personable and all of that, 619 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: but he just wasn't able to kind of push this 620 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 3: group of players to get the most out of them, 621 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 3: and so you know, if you're looking, you know, would 622 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 3: he be a good candidate in Miami. It depends on, 623 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 3: you know, what stage in the process the Miami Marlins 624 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 3: are with regard to going moving toward being a contender. 625 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 3: If they're in the early stages and trying to get 626 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 3: guys you know, just used to being major league players 627 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 3: and things like that and learning, then yeah, Charlie Montoya 628 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 3: is a great candidate, as we've seen in Toronto, though 629 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 3: he's not necessarily somebody to get you over the hump. 630 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 2: Right, And what is aggravating, I think to a lot 631 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 2: of Marlins fans is that it is unclear where at 632 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: all in the process the team is because they have 633 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 2: a pretty old lineup when guys are actually healthy and 634 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 2: they it's one of the older teams that the franchise 635 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 2: has ever fielded, and yet the results of kind of speak. 636 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: For themselves where it's no improvement. 637 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, just from as everybody listening to this, noes, it's 638 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 2: just been a very frustrating time where they seem stuck 639 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 2: in this not even it would be one thing to 640 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 2: be stuck in the middle is like an average team, 641 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 2: but when you're stuck at as a very below average team, 642 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 2: and you've already given out big money to guys. You 643 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 2: don't know exactly how much you're gonna have to available 644 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: to spend to continue adding safer players to the organization. 645 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 3: It is. 646 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: It's very I have no idea exactly what they'd be 647 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: looking for in a manager. He was just really the 648 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 2: first name. This is going to be a pretty long 649 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 2: exercise for me to like dive into exactly who they 650 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: hire for that position, but he was the first one 651 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: that came to mind for understandable reasons. 652 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think to the you know, his his 653 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: ability to connect with Latin players, I think was it 654 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 3: was a big part of what he did in Toronto, 655 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 3: you know. And I don't think that the fact that 656 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 3: the Blue Jays have such a solid chemistry in their clubhouse, 657 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 3: I don't think he had nothing to do with that, 658 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 3: you know. So he absolutely has solid positive qualities that 659 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 3: you want to see in a manager. And so, you know, 660 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 3: I wouldn't I would never say that he's a horrible manager, 661 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 3: and you know that he deserved to be fired because 662 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 3: I think if you look at it, if you just 663 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 3: want to put it at wins and losses. You know what, 664 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 3: they lose ninety five games in twenty nineteen and twenty 665 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 3: twenty they're in the playoffs. Twenty twenty one they missed 666 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 3: the playoffs by one game, winning ninety two. Right, So 667 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 3: you know he has had success. But I think the 668 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 3: you know, the the truth of the matter is, I 669 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 3: think they had success despite Charlie Montoyo as opposed to 670 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 3: because of right. 671 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: So it's not the most ringing endorsement for you, but. 672 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 2: I know, but that's great insight because I myself didn't 673 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 2: have time to follow all the ins and outs of 674 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 2: his tendure, but that was much appreciate. This whole appearance, 675 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 2: Sean has been great. This is Sean Doyle from Jay's 676 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 2: From the Couch checking out the jas from the Couch 677 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 2: dot Com and presumably everybody a lot of people listening 678 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 2: to this. You'll probably be hearing from us again very soon, 679 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: because we're tentatively planning a home and home podcast with 680 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 2: me coming. 681 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: On your show. 682 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 2: Some related topics as well, so we won't make it 683 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 2: too redundant. I'm sure we'll find some slightly different things 684 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 2: to touch on during that conversation. I'm looking forward to 685 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 2: it and again, Sean, I greatly appreciate you coming on 686 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 2: here on the Fish Chap. 687 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, no problem. I always enjoy talking baseball and 688 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 3: Blue Jays, and it's always good to talk and get 689 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 3: an insight from you know, kind of other quote unquote markets. Right, 690 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 3: So I appreciate you having me on. 691 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 2: I've an Eli Susman from Fish Stripes. We appreciate everybody 692 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 2: that's been listening here. Probably a new official show coming 693 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 2: next week. Continue to cover this team every days, as 694 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 2: much as they make us want to pull our hair out, 695 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: and as frustrating as this deadline has been, but we 696 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 2: look We're will plenty to talk about in August, September 697 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 2: and beyond. Thanks as always, and go Fish