WEBVTT - Scarface Interview 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:08.440 Realty Real Celebrity Real joined the Breakfast Morning Everybody is 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.360 DJ Envy Angela Ye Sholoman, the guy. We all the 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:16.160 Breakfast club got a special guest of legend in the building. Face, 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.400 what's up? I want to miss the face? Man. I 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:20.680 appreciate y'all having me. Man, you was like a whole 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.640 different person. My brother like a whole different person. I'm 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:25.439 trying to gun up, trying to get some of the 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:29.600 old without hey, without the jail sentence one much time. No, 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.360 go ahead, you go ahead, curse, it's all right. We 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:40.920 give it out so bad. He'll be like, man, face, 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:45.880 you blew it. You blew it were hearing it. It'd 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.320 be easier if you don't. You don't do too many interviews. No, 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.959 I don't. Historically you have it. Uh, it wasn't really 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.640 much to talk about. You gotta hold what do you 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:57.080 mean face? I mean, he speaks to his music a lot, though. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:58.760 You don't really much to talk about. I mean not 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.320 even not only that. I'm I'm sorry, I don't I 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.640 interviewed you one time. I thought it was really fun 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.080 because I hadn't. Yeah, I didn't know your personality was 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:11.080 so hya talking to the micro face. I'm sorry. I'm 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:14.880 laid on you madman very much. So that's the name 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.320 of your book. I wish they had sent the copy 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.000 of your book up here before it came out to 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.840 It's out today though, Diary of a Madman. No I 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:40.520 got I got in doing this create space. I'm good 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:42.400 to see you in good health. One of the last 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:44.880 things I heard was you you on your deathbed. Well, 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.080 I didn't want to die, so I had to make 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.640 I had to make some adjustments. You I was gonna be, 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:58.400 you know, sick and heart attack, stroke or you know, 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.360 just dying in my sleep. I could try to make 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.480 a change. You had a lot of health issues. It 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:08.960 was like the whole list of things. Blood blood pressure, 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.959 still have issues with high blood pressure, borderline diabetic, in 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:17.200 large heart, uh, some kidney damn. Yeah, but you know 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.480 that's irreversible. But you can stop it. I can't fix it, 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.320 but you can stop it, you know. And and and 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:29.320 and Every March somebody in my family has a stroke. 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:35.960 Luckily ain't happened lately, but every March somebody. My grandfather died, 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:41.640 my aunt had a stroke in March. She's we believe them, Yeah, 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:49.280 she's up. My uncle Mike, don't talk to Mike. It 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:57.880 for you, all right. So what you said, your grandma, 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.280 my grandfather died. He died hard attack in the house 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.200 that I grew up in. Uh, my aunt she had 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:09.799 a stroke. She's actually living in the house with my grandmother. 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.079 And then my uncle he's in the home. He had 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.680 a stroke. He had like seven or eight of them, though, 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.600 I know. So what was it for you? Hard living? 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.200 Just the years in the round? I mean, like my mom, 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:23.680 Like my mom said, if I knew I was gonna 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.519 live as long, I would have took away better kill myself. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.560 I had no idea that I was going to live 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:32.440 to see thirty five. I mean twenty four. I mean 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.520 how I twenty four? I had no idea I was 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:40.760 gonna live as long. And I was like, damn, I 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.440 lived as long. I had an interesting quote from you 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.480 said something about you were just living to die or 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:49.000 something like that, Like, I mean, you're born dying the first, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.040 the first when you come out or whenever you come 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.440 out of whatever part you come out of, that's your first. 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:58.280 That's when your clocks start ticking. Film. Yeah, J j H. 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.600 That's what you want to call it. Born dying. That 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:06.480 sounds so pessimistic too. Really, I don't know I'm born dying. Okay, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.880 you can say I'm born living. You canna look at 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.080 it realistically. How did you lose so much weight? I 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:16.200 ran for my life, man, I had to, I did. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:20.160 I ran for my life. Um, and now I eat right, 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:32.080 and I'm lying. Yesterday, I was in Denver in four twenty. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.720 You were smoking. You had the Munkey's dude, So I 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.240 can't say this, ye yes, man, I went to Denver, right, 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:44.359 and I promised myself, Look, I'm not smoking, boy, I 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.000 swear to goodness, like even though you can smoke as 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.680 much weed as you can consume, you can smoke as 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:54.760 much like I don't even have to buy weeding. Different, right, bro. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.800 I rolled up a joint and I ooked some of it, 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:06.520 and I got so high and I was so hungry. 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:15.560 I ate, like, really bad would you get, dude? I 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.680 had like four reasons peanut butter cups. I love reasons 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.559 peanut butter cups, man, especially when you're high. Nah, it's bad, 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.200 he said, it's bad. I ate them. I ate them. 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.360 I drunk some orange shoes. Yeah, and that's not good 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:34.360 of your boyline diabetic. I'm not boyline, die back no 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:38.640 more Okay, okay, um I hope not. I need to 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.200 go get some more tests, man, but I think I'm 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:44.640 pretty outly clear now. Society. That was stuff together. No, 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:46.800 you brought up a good point. You said you never 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:48.880 thought you would live to see twenty four, but now 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:51.599 at the age you're at, do you do you want 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:55.280 to live? It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.240 that's that's in the book. I talked about how bad 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.120 I wanted to die when I was younger, and like, 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.400 but what kind of advice would you give to somebody, 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:09.119 you know, who's who's feeling like face like I getting 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:20.520 the trap off, He's like who that? Um I was? 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.680 They said, what advice did you give to someone that's 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:26.520 you know, that's thinking about my advice and my suggestion 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.680 at the same time, like I say, would be to 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:32.560 just live it. You know. It's it's too easy to die. 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.479 Said that. It's been said in my book, like it's 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:40.000 too easy to die to hard living is the hard part. Like, man, 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:46.800 I'm so glad that that uh, we are governed by 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:52.400 the laws of a forgiving guard. Okay, he forgave what 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.919 I attempted to try to what I thought that I 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:58.520 wanted to do to myself. You know, instead of taking 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.800 my ass out, he gave me an opportunity to live. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:04.960 You know, why did you want to die? I don't know, 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:07.520 and I think more of I think maybe I just 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.240 wanted Attenion read that song because I think that if 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:13.680 you really wanted to die, you could. That's the easy part. 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:18.840 Living is a tough part. I'm not I'm not gunghole 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:23.120 about checking out of this right now. You know, I 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.320 know it's inevitable, as I said before, and you hate 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.120 when I talk like that. I know, but yeah, but 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.600 let's let's talk from the beginning. Ghetto boys loved it 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.800 first time we we we were the first time me 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.960 as a New Yorker heard scarfaces on ghetto boys and 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.080 how it Let's talk from the beginning. A lot of 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.000 people might not know who the Ghetto Boys or how 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.680 did that group come about? That was a group that 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:53.040 existed before I became a part of it. Um, James Prince, 0:07:53.680 --> 0:08:00.000 it's a genius, right, It's a genius. He heard something 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:04.200 then Will and heard something in me and put together 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:09.280 a group her and Bill and put together a group 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.680 that would you know, later be a part of hip 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.640 hop history. Absolutely. You know, how was it when when 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.520 the first time you met Bushwick? Bill? Because I mean, 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.800 if you don't know who bush he's I guess a 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:28.880 little guy. Hey. Um, when I first met Bill, I 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:33.319 thought he was a little Jay, little Jay, little Jay? 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:40.680 Who the og? Oh? When I first you know, when 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.839 I first met Bushwick, you know, he was walking around 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.480 saying he was a little Jay. Got you Yeah, And 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.080 I was like yeah, man. So as time went on, 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.560 I realized that Bushwick was not a little Jay. Yeah. 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.280 When I finally got a chance to meet Jay, I 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:01.840 knew that Bill wasn't him right, Like, thank god I 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:05.280 did not sign the bill straight up, man, I have 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.160 still been under that contract. But now when I first 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:13.560 met Bill, um, yeah, we thought he was Jake. He's 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:18.199 still around now, Bill, Yeah, yeah anymore. Yeah we can 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.640 read two. In June, Bill lost his mind, man, rest 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.680 in peace, man. Uh yeah, he lost his mom. He 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.280 just lost his lost. I thought he'd been was crazy. No, 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:33.040 you know his mom. Now he's been lost. That that's 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:39.319 been gone. Yeah, um Bill, Um, yeah, what do you 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:45.360 mean to say that Bill was cool? You know Bill? Bill? 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.080 You know me and Bill used to live together. You know, 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.320 in the same house for a long time. So if 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.720 I never ever saw Bill again in life, it would 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.040 be way too soon. And that's that's my friend. But 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.360 damn man, Bill cut my damn thumb off. Damn him there. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.880 He didn't jumped out of second floor windows. He did 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.320 all kinds of stuff, did y'all all that kind of 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.400 I ain't never had no fight with Bill. That that's 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.000 not that's not. That wouldn't be fun, man, because you 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.880 couldn't go to sleep around him. He'll he'll, he'll, he'll 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.520 kill you. He really was the guy rapping at the 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.000 end of mine, playing tricks on them. No I wrote that, 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.120 wrote that, No, I wrote that for me like that 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:30.000 was my record got you first? And funny how that 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:34.720 song came about. Um, I was when Willy left the group, 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.640 left the group, and I was fortunate to a solo. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.760 I just knew my I just knew this was over right, Like, 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.520 damn man, we ain't got no more wheel gettle boys 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:50.600 a huge success when we'll leave the group. Well, I 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.120 just knew it was over for me. So I just 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:53.600 got back on. I was gonna. I was a solo 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.480 artist the beginning, so I just started making my own 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:01.560 stuff you know again, and Jay was trying to put 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.160 a deal together with me at Priority the same time 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.840 the Ghetto Boys, we're finishing up the week can be 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:12.720 stopped the album, and I played a couple of records 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:16.000 for Jay and Jay took them the Priority. When Jay 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:20.520 came back from Priority, he was like, man, they love 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:24.880 this mind playing tricks song. So he put Willie on it, 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.160 gave Bill the last verse, and the rest is history. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.880 All the verses were the same. No, the first verse, 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.440 the second verse, and Bill's verse are the verses that 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.319 I originally wrapped in the song from the first one, 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:41.000 the first my mind playing tricks on me. Now, when 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.240 you hear Willie, that's Willie's verse that he wrote. But 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.559 the other four verse, the other three verses on that record, 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.439 or the three that I wrote, and Bill took the 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:51.160 last one. Now, would that song have been as big 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.680 as it is now if I wrapped it by myself? 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:58.280 Probably not right, you know that it remains to be 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:04.080 Were you okay with that? I'm alright with I'm a 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.080 team player. You know. The song was amazing. It was 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.959 the visual that did it, so probably you know what I 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:13.760 I mean, running up on people that I was like that. 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:20.079 That idea of not rapping in lip syncing and your 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.800 videos was my idea. I don't never want to be 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.400 in a video. I don't like the performance part of 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.280 a video. I like to just show what happened, you 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.959 know what I'm saying, Like, I love that part um 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:37.360 the visuals. I feel like, make the song, you know. 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.199 And that's probably why that song was as big too, 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:45.040 along with what was being said feeling relationship like with 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:49.319 a Prince j Prince we are or we don't, we don't, 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:54.200 we don't talk much, but we are. Yeah. So what 0:12:54.280 --> 0:13:00.520 made you decide to write a book? Um? Actually it 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:07.920 came from some people that were managing me before and 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:12.080 thought that I had an interesting story to tell and 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:15.960 hooked up with a literary agent and and a guy 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:23.520 that was a great writer, phenomenal. He may added some 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.120 some keep the cool book types I can really write 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.079 in there, right, Yeah, But for the most part, you know, 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.480 that was my story books in music, because you're always 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.160 autobiographical in your music anyway, I know it was that 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.319 very Yeah, you're right, you've been giving us audio books 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:45.120 for years, so appreciate that. I can't really say that 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.600 it's a difference I think that the main part is, 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.200 you know how to hide something from somebody, you put 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.640 it in the book, right, Okay, well then damn it, 0:13:55.240 --> 0:14:05.000 I'm trying somebody. The best way to hide something from 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.000 it is put in the book. Well, if you got 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:13.200 something that somebody that you respect got written down, then 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.440 maybe I can get in the reading dawn, come on 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:21.240 see the god man. My favorite kind of books, all right, 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.920 all right, all right now, my favorite kind of books 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.960 to be the autobiographies. Even if it's like a genre 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:27.520 of music that I don't listen to, I always think 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:31.560 it's interesting to hear people's stories. Yeah, this is the truth, 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.720 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.880 my job. And like you said before, the one except 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.400 that we've been seeing everywhere is they said you try 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.000 to kill yourself. Several times you've said you took a 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:47.960 bunch of pills, like your mother's pills. Yeah, my mom, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:54.440 I took some blood pressure pills and some others. And 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:58.280 I just remember waking up in the ambulance going to 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.080 excuse me the er and they gave me some called 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.200 epicat Damn. Sorry, man, that's that's loud. I said this word. 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.080 I've been cussing all through the show about I thought 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:10.680 you was telling us about some new drugs. We never 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:18.920 heard of that, Okay, it was epict Oh lord, I'm 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.280 talking about I picked out my guts for like hours 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.680 until I just had to dry heaves. You know how 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.720 you be trying to won't come out? And then I'm 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.440 sorry y'all again. But they said you used to act 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.240 out just because you wanted attention, used to beat people 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.400 with baseball bats. You tried to kill yourself off. I ain't. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.280 I ain't want nobody ask for no attention. Okay, but 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:43.720 I do. I do encourage even say that, because that's 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.120 gonna give me a lot of Uh what do you encourage? 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:50.160 I encourage the kids, every kid that you got a 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.360 problem with that bully. You're going in front of the 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.920 class and you beat his ass in front of everybody. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:03.560 That kid, he don't know. That's the first thing I did. Yeah, 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:05.960 if he was the baddest, if he was the baddest 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.800 dude in the school, if he's walking around and filling 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.440 on people's ears and shit, I remember beat up a 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.320 dude named Tyrone grabbing on my ear like this all time. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.720 He's supposed to be the school with the bully. You know, 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:24.800 I don't know he just and I. I had a 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.160 I had a boxing game when since I was eight 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:30.720 years old, I wasn't there doing that doing it, So 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:32.960 I guess he didn't know, you know when I went 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:34.600 to it. When I transferred to different school, like I 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.480 get kicked out of school everywhere I go, Like I 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.200 didn't even finish the ninth grade because they weren't even 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.000 I don't think that they don't let me go back 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.840 to school now. Don't want to see you in ninth Gracious, 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.200 did you ever get at the plumber? He just said 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.120 he was the name grade. I mean, I got kicked 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:55.720 out of school too, but I got nothing. Um when 0:16:55.880 --> 0:17:05.520 when people say, man, you're stupid my grade education, what 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.520 would you expect? So the rap field, that void? That 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:13.680 that that the attention you were seeking to rap Philip Um. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:19.600 At the time that I was acting out, I didn't 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.239 know that attention was what I was looking for. I 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:28.639 didn't realize how much attention I was missing until I 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:33.520 had my own children, and then I realized, oh god, damn, 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:41.120 this boy just wants some attention. Looking at what my 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:45.600 sons would do for attention from me as what I 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:51.160 would do back then for attention from my parents. I 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.880 didn't have not a one time I saw my mom 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:58.560 in the stands uh when I was playing football or baseball. 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.720 All our remember was my mom coming up to the 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:11.160 school after I beat out the principle. What what could 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:16.359 the principal, Man, don't ask me, don't ask me. Ask 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.800 the people they went to school with me. Yeah, say 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.200 that he really beat up the principle. They'll be like, hell, yeah, 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.840 the bok. I don't know if that's in the bottom. Well, 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:34.160 this is a dude. Told one of my partners that, yeah, 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.960 I'm gonna go steal braid, and my partners said, you 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.400 better hit him good. I gotta let him tell a story. 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.000 We're gonna record him telling the story. Anyway. I don't 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.800 know nothing about what happened pre fight. All I know 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.320 is I went in my locker and he hit me, 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.320 and I and my boy saying that wasn't good enough. 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.359 I heard that, so I got dead on his hands. 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.400 The bell rung and people was getting out of classes coming. 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:03.840 They lay locker. So as brother comes to see the fight, 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:08.399 his brother jump in, you know his ass. The sister 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:13.399 principal come up, got on his ass. The principal came up, 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.720 got on her ass, a girl, a woman. The coach 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.359 came up, got on his ass. When I finally stopped 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.000 getting on people's ass, but Mama came up there and 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.840 she said the next time that I have to come 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:32.840 up to this school, I'm gonna moon everybody, Moon everybody. 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.720 He says, she's gonna moon everybody. You're showing your ass. 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:53.960 Dropped out crazy, never went back, never be allowed back anyway, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:57.280 they said, sistance. They tried to put me in this 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:01.919 alternative school, like a school that's damning like Ellen. So 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:09.040 I went there for like four days five and it 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.199 realized it wasn't for me. So when did you get 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:16.879 introduced to pinning paper boy because you wasn't in school? 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:21.920 Like what made you just start drhymming? I would have 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:31.040 to say that I didn't know that we had the 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:47.040 right rhymes, right rhymes. Probably, I don't know. Man, this 0:20:47.119 --> 0:21:01.439 is this is the r MTV raps um Beato, this 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:07.560 is some funny m so Beato was managing me and 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:12.159 we were producing records. Beto would come. We ride the 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:16.960 metro red metro bus and Beto would, uh, you have 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:18.879 a brief. It was not a briefcase. It was actually 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:24.520 you know how to remember to to set uh carry 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.200 where he had that with all the papers in it, 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:30.359 like it was a briefcase. Got So we would go 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:34.240 up to this place in the mall called um uh 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.560 somebody records Sounds Sounds something in the mall where you 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.359 can rock record raps. Right, So I would be box 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.920 on one track and I bust a freestyle on the 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.840 other and we will will be listening to this man 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.560 and all of a sudden, he's like, man, you need 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:55.760 to Yeah, you're just as good as everybody else. Got you, 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.879 But what got you spitting so deep? Because I mean, 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.600 you listen to any of your albums, you spit a 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:04.960 way that most people don't. How you spit from the hawk. Now, 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.560 after meeting you, I'm thinking it probably with therapeutic and 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:12.400 probably you're to be able to say it. I think 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:14.840 that's important to be able to say it. I mean 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:17.119 I always say, if you ain't right, I tell me. 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:20.720 I tell Brad Junior is trying to get into it. 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.680 He's producing, and then m Bryce is trying to rap, 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:25.879 and then my son Chris is trying to rap, and 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.200 I'm telling him, like, look, bro, like if you ain't writing, 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:30.080 if you ain't crying when you're done writing that song 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:32.440 and you're not writing the right songs. No, No, it's 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:34.359 it's true because I mean listening to you, I remember 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:37.480 the joint you did with with Jane Beans and the 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:39.680 one you said with Brad's too. It made me bust 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:41.440 a tear. I'm listening to what I'm tearing because that 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.119 was that was actual, actual, factual, right thing and I 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:47.520 felt I feel it. Yeah, you even said in the 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:49.480 record you cried as you was right now. Yeah, No, 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:51.200 I cried when I wrapped it. You can hear it. 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:56.480 It was another one I cried on too, man, the 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:01.600 damn uh uh no surrender. M. That was a real story, 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:04.920 like that was true, Like they found my buddy in 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.640 his house gone and he was laying his safe dead 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:13.280 and M Paul Lard she had a bullet through her hand, 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:15.879 through her head like she had it was it was, 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:18.040 it was a bad thing. And I recorded the video 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.640 over there where it actually happened, and yeah, like reliving 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:25.000 that moment that in that studio. You can hear it 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:28.240 in a voice like it came like damn, you know 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.040 when when when when if you if you write something 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.960 you're not If you ain't crying when you're done writing it, 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:38.159 then you didn't write the rights period And that that 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:39.879 that That's just a long and the short of it. 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:44.200 For me. I come from a long list of of 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:49.000 musicians and writers, you know, and we always wrote and 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:53.680 played our hearts. You know. I can't read music, but man, 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.200 if you gave me a guitar, I break the room down. 0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:59.000 I actually been playing guitar too, like with rock bands 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:02.240 and everything. Yeah, I'm stupid man, having a good ass time. 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:05.840 What was your relationship like with Pope? It seemed like, 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.600 you know, Park got a really good report with each other. Yeah, 0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:12.200 until we was on the road. What happened on the road? Man, 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:15.680 Park just don't know how to act. Man, Damn. You 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:21.600 blame it on everybody. I think when I got old, 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:23.480 I got cool as head. When I started hanging around Jay, 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:29.919 I got cool. Jay got Jay, Prince press cool man. 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.639 So when you get around Prince, you got it. You're like, everybody, 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:36.640 get the room, get cool with here. Cool little little dude, 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:43.800 cool room, get cool. I'm too, I'm too stupid to 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:46.359 be scared. I said you were his favorite rapper, and 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:47.960 then when he met you for the first time. Y'all 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.880 had a long conversation and both of you cried during 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:55.840 that conversation. Nah, I think I cried because I was 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:57.960 scared that DMX was going to jump off of this 0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:02.719 damn thing in Atlanta. And you know how they got 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:04.080 the I don't know if I don't even know the 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:06.320 name of this hotel, but they got the wires in 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:11.280 the hotel that that hold like the stuff together in there. 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:16.560 You can step out over the balcony and right and 0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:21.120 JAYZ was I mean in DMX was standing on a joke. 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:22.840 Don't know, man, I don't think it was a joke, 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:26.920 but I was like, man, love, man, we need to talk. 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:34.240 We got down. We talked about um, religion, we talked 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:36.480 about the Bible, we talked about all kinds of stuff, 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:38.399 and at the end of the night, we prayed. Man, 0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:40.119 we may have dropped a few tiers. I don't. I 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:43.760 don't remember dropping a few tiers, but if he said 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.520 we did, we did, you know. But I was more 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:52.040 concertained about what he was going through, you know, because 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:54.920 for a man to get to that point to where 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:58.159 he wanted to just say you but you had been 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.600 there before though, Yeah, for a man. To get to 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:04.200 that point where you just want like it had it 0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:06.280