Speaker 1: Realty Real Celebrity Real joined the Breakfast Morning Everybody is
Speaker 1: DJ Envy Angela Ye Sholoman, the guy. We all the
Speaker 1: Breakfast club got a special guest of legend in the building. Face,
Speaker 1: what's up? I want to miss the face? Man. I
Speaker 1: appreciate y'all having me. Man, you was like a whole
Speaker 1: different person. My brother like a whole different person. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to gun up, trying to get some of the
Speaker 1: old without hey, without the jail sentence one much time. No,
Speaker 1: go ahead, you go ahead, curse, it's all right. We
Speaker 1: give it out so bad. He'll be like, man, face,
Speaker 1: you blew it. You blew it were hearing it. It'd
Speaker 1: be easier if you don't. You don't do too many interviews. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. Historically you have it. Uh, it wasn't really
Speaker 1: much to talk about. You gotta hold what do you
Speaker 1: mean face? I mean, he speaks to his music a lot, though.
Speaker 1: You don't really much to talk about. I mean not
Speaker 1: even not only that. I'm I'm sorry, I don't I
Speaker 1: interviewed you one time. I thought it was really fun
Speaker 1: because I hadn't. Yeah, I didn't know your personality was
Speaker 1: so hya talking to the micro face. I'm sorry. I'm
Speaker 1: laid on you madman very much. So that's the name
Speaker 1: of your book. I wish they had sent the copy
Speaker 1: of your book up here before it came out to
Speaker 1: It's out today though, Diary of a Madman. No I
Speaker 1: got I got in doing this create space. I'm good
Speaker 1: to see you in good health. One of the last
Speaker 1: things I heard was you you on your deathbed. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to die, so I had to make
Speaker 1: I had to make some adjustments. You I was gonna be,
Speaker 1: you know, sick and heart attack, stroke or you know,
Speaker 1: just dying in my sleep. I could try to make
Speaker 1: a change. You had a lot of health issues. It
Speaker 1: was like the whole list of things. Blood blood pressure,
Speaker 1: still have issues with high blood pressure, borderline diabetic, in
Speaker 1: large heart, uh, some kidney damn. Yeah, but you know
Speaker 1: that's irreversible. But you can stop it. I can't fix it,
Speaker 1: but you can stop it, you know. And and and
Speaker 1: and Every March somebody in my family has a stroke.
Speaker 1: Luckily ain't happened lately, but every March somebody. My grandfather died,
Speaker 1: my aunt had a stroke in March. She's we believe them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's up. My uncle Mike, don't talk to Mike. It
Speaker 1: for you, all right. So what you said, your grandma,
Speaker 1: my grandfather died. He died hard attack in the house
Speaker 1: that I grew up in. Uh, my aunt she had
Speaker 1: a stroke. She's actually living in the house with my grandmother.
Speaker 1: And then my uncle he's in the home. He had
Speaker 1: a stroke. He had like seven or eight of them, though,
Speaker 1: I know. So what was it for you? Hard living?
Speaker 1: Just the years in the round? I mean, like my mom,
Speaker 1: Like my mom said, if I knew I was gonna
Speaker 1: live as long, I would have took away better kill myself.
Speaker 1: I had no idea that I was going to live
Speaker 1: to see thirty five. I mean twenty four. I mean
Speaker 1: how I twenty four? I had no idea I was
Speaker 1: gonna live as long. And I was like, damn, I
Speaker 1: lived as long. I had an interesting quote from you
Speaker 1: said something about you were just living to die or
Speaker 1: something like that, Like, I mean, you're born dying the first,
Speaker 1: the first when you come out or whenever you come
Speaker 1: out of whatever part you come out of, that's your first.
Speaker 1: That's when your clocks start ticking. Film. Yeah, J j H.
Speaker 1: That's what you want to call it. Born dying. That
Speaker 1: sounds so pessimistic too. Really, I don't know I'm born dying. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can say I'm born living. You canna look at
Speaker 1: it realistically. How did you lose so much weight? I
Speaker 1: ran for my life, man, I had to, I did.
Speaker 1: I ran for my life. Um, and now I eat right,
Speaker 1: and I'm lying. Yesterday, I was in Denver in four twenty.
Speaker 1: You were smoking. You had the Munkey's dude, So I
Speaker 1: can't say this, ye yes, man, I went to Denver, right,
Speaker 1: and I promised myself, Look, I'm not smoking, boy, I
Speaker 1: swear to goodness, like even though you can smoke as
Speaker 1: much weed as you can consume, you can smoke as
Speaker 1: much like I don't even have to buy weeding. Different, right, bro.
Speaker 1: I rolled up a joint and I ooked some of it,
Speaker 1: and I got so high and I was so hungry.
Speaker 1: I ate, like, really bad would you get, dude? I
Speaker 1: had like four reasons peanut butter cups. I love reasons
Speaker 1: peanut butter cups, man, especially when you're high. Nah, it's bad,
Speaker 1: he said, it's bad. I ate them. I ate them.
Speaker 1: I drunk some orange shoes. Yeah, and that's not good
Speaker 1: of your boyline diabetic. I'm not boyline, die back no
Speaker 1: more Okay, okay, um I hope not. I need to
Speaker 1: go get some more tests, man, but I think I'm
Speaker 1: pretty outly clear now. Society. That was stuff together. No,
Speaker 1: you brought up a good point. You said you never
Speaker 1: thought you would live to see twenty four, but now
Speaker 1: at the age you're at, do you do you want
Speaker 1: to live? It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's that's in the book. I talked about how bad
Speaker 1: I wanted to die when I was younger, and like,
Speaker 1: but what kind of advice would you give to somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, who's who's feeling like face like I getting
Speaker 1: the trap off, He's like who that? Um I was?
Speaker 1: They said, what advice did you give to someone that's
Speaker 1: you know, that's thinking about my advice and my suggestion
Speaker 1: at the same time, like I say, would be to
Speaker 1: just live it. You know. It's it's too easy to die.
Speaker 1: Said that. It's been said in my book, like it's
Speaker 1: too easy to die to hard living is the hard part. Like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that that uh, we are governed by
Speaker 1: the laws of a forgiving guard. Okay, he forgave what
Speaker 1: I attempted to try to what I thought that I
Speaker 1: wanted to do to myself. You know, instead of taking
Speaker 1: my ass out, he gave me an opportunity to live.
Speaker 1: You know, why did you want to die? I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I think more of I think maybe I just
Speaker 1: wanted Attenion read that song because I think that if
Speaker 1: you really wanted to die, you could. That's the easy part.
Speaker 1: Living is a tough part. I'm not I'm not gunghole
Speaker 1: about checking out of this right now. You know, I
Speaker 1: know it's inevitable, as I said before, and you hate
Speaker 1: when I talk like that. I know, but yeah, but
Speaker 1: let's let's talk from the beginning. Ghetto boys loved it
Speaker 1: first time we we we were the first time me
Speaker 1: as a New Yorker heard scarfaces on ghetto boys and
Speaker 1: how it Let's talk from the beginning. A lot of
Speaker 1: people might not know who the Ghetto Boys or how
Speaker 1: did that group come about? That was a group that
Speaker 1: existed before I became a part of it. Um, James Prince,
Speaker 1: it's a genius, right, It's a genius. He heard something
Speaker 1: then Will and heard something in me and put together
Speaker 1: a group her and Bill and put together a group
Speaker 1: that would you know, later be a part of hip
Speaker 1: hop history. Absolutely. You know, how was it when when
Speaker 1: the first time you met Bushwick? Bill? Because I mean,
Speaker 1: if you don't know who bush he's I guess a
Speaker 1: little guy. Hey. Um, when I first met Bill, I
Speaker 1: thought he was a little Jay, little Jay, little Jay?
Speaker 1: Who the og? Oh? When I first you know, when
Speaker 1: I first met Bushwick, you know, he was walking around
Speaker 1: saying he was a little Jay. Got you Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, man. So as time went on,
Speaker 1: I realized that Bushwick was not a little Jay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I finally got a chance to meet Jay, I
Speaker 1: knew that Bill wasn't him right, Like, thank god I
Speaker 1: did not sign the bill straight up, man, I have
Speaker 1: still been under that contract. But now when I first
Speaker 1: met Bill, um, yeah, we thought he was Jake. He's
Speaker 1: still around now, Bill, Yeah, yeah anymore. Yeah we can
Speaker 1: read two. In June, Bill lost his mind, man, rest
Speaker 1: in peace, man. Uh yeah, he lost his mom. He
Speaker 1: just lost his lost. I thought he'd been was crazy. No,
Speaker 1: you know his mom. Now he's been lost. That that's
Speaker 1: been gone. Yeah, um Bill, Um, yeah, what do you
Speaker 1: mean to say that Bill was cool? You know Bill? Bill?
Speaker 1: You know me and Bill used to live together. You know,
Speaker 1: in the same house for a long time. So if
Speaker 1: I never ever saw Bill again in life, it would
Speaker 1: be way too soon. And that's that's my friend. But
Speaker 1: damn man, Bill cut my damn thumb off. Damn him there.
Speaker 1: He didn't jumped out of second floor windows. He did
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff, did y'all all that kind of
Speaker 1: I ain't never had no fight with Bill. That that's
Speaker 1: not that's not. That wouldn't be fun, man, because you
Speaker 1: couldn't go to sleep around him. He'll he'll, he'll, he'll
Speaker 1: kill you. He really was the guy rapping at the
Speaker 1: end of mine, playing tricks on them. No I wrote that,
Speaker 1: wrote that, No, I wrote that for me like that
Speaker 1: was my record got you first? And funny how that
Speaker 1: song came about. Um, I was when Willy left the group,
Speaker 1: left the group, and I was fortunate to a solo.
Speaker 1: I just knew my I just knew this was over right, Like,
Speaker 1: damn man, we ain't got no more wheel gettle boys
Speaker 1: a huge success when we'll leave the group. Well, I
Speaker 1: just knew it was over for me. So I just
Speaker 1: got back on. I was gonna. I was a solo
Speaker 1: artist the beginning, so I just started making my own
Speaker 1: stuff you know again, and Jay was trying to put
Speaker 1: a deal together with me at Priority the same time
Speaker 1: the Ghetto Boys, we're finishing up the week can be
Speaker 1: stopped the album, and I played a couple of records
Speaker 1: for Jay and Jay took them the Priority. When Jay
Speaker 1: came back from Priority, he was like, man, they love
Speaker 1: this mind playing tricks song. So he put Willie on it,
Speaker 1: gave Bill the last verse, and the rest is history.
Speaker 1: All the verses were the same. No, the first verse,
Speaker 1: the second verse, and Bill's verse are the verses that
Speaker 1: I originally wrapped in the song from the first one,
Speaker 1: the first my mind playing tricks on me. Now, when
Speaker 1: you hear Willie, that's Willie's verse that he wrote. But
Speaker 1: the other four verse, the other three verses on that record,
Speaker 1: or the three that I wrote, and Bill took the
Speaker 1: last one. Now, would that song have been as big
Speaker 1: as it is now if I wrapped it by myself?
Speaker 1: Probably not right, you know that it remains to be
Speaker 1: Were you okay with that? I'm alright with I'm a
Speaker 1: team player. You know. The song was amazing. It was
Speaker 1: the visual that did it, so probably you know what I
Speaker 1: I mean, running up on people that I was like that.
Speaker 1: That idea of not rapping in lip syncing and your
Speaker 1: videos was my idea. I don't never want to be
Speaker 1: in a video. I don't like the performance part of
Speaker 1: a video. I like to just show what happened, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I love that part um
Speaker 1: the visuals. I feel like, make the song, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's probably why that song was as big too,
Speaker 1: along with what was being said feeling relationship like with
Speaker 1: a Prince j Prince we are or we don't, we don't,
Speaker 1: we don't talk much, but we are. Yeah. So what
Speaker 1: made you decide to write a book? Um? Actually it
Speaker 1: came from some people that were managing me before and
Speaker 1: thought that I had an interesting story to tell and
Speaker 1: hooked up with a literary agent and and a guy
Speaker 1: that was a great writer, phenomenal. He may added some
Speaker 1: some keep the cool book types I can really write
Speaker 1: in there, right, Yeah, But for the most part, you know,
Speaker 1: that was my story books in music, because you're always
Speaker 1: autobiographical in your music anyway, I know it was that
Speaker 1: very Yeah, you're right, you've been giving us audio books
Speaker 1: for years, so appreciate that. I can't really say that
Speaker 1: it's a difference I think that the main part is,
Speaker 1: you know how to hide something from somebody, you put
Speaker 1: it in the book, right, Okay, well then damn it,
Speaker 1: I'm trying somebody. The best way to hide something from
Speaker 1: it is put in the book. Well, if you got
Speaker 1: something that somebody that you respect got written down, then
Speaker 1: maybe I can get in the reading dawn, come on
Speaker 1: see the god man. My favorite kind of books, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, all right now, my favorite kind of books
Speaker 1: to be the autobiographies. Even if it's like a genre
Speaker 1: of music that I don't listen to, I always think
Speaker 1: it's interesting to hear people's stories. Yeah, this is the truth,
Speaker 1: the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help
Speaker 1: my job. And like you said before, the one except
Speaker 1: that we've been seeing everywhere is they said you try
Speaker 1: to kill yourself. Several times you've said you took a
Speaker 1: bunch of pills, like your mother's pills. Yeah, my mom,
Speaker 1: I took some blood pressure pills and some others. And
Speaker 1: I just remember waking up in the ambulance going to
Speaker 1: excuse me the er and they gave me some called
Speaker 1: epicat Damn. Sorry, man, that's that's loud. I said this word.
Speaker 1: I've been cussing all through the show about I thought
Speaker 1: you was telling us about some new drugs. We never
Speaker 1: heard of that, Okay, it was epict Oh lord, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about I picked out my guts for like hours
Speaker 1: until I just had to dry heaves. You know how
Speaker 1: you be trying to won't come out? And then I'm
Speaker 1: sorry y'all again. But they said you used to act
Speaker 1: out just because you wanted attention, used to beat people
Speaker 1: with baseball bats. You tried to kill yourself off. I ain't.
Speaker 1: I ain't want nobody ask for no attention. Okay, but
Speaker 1: I do. I do encourage even say that, because that's
Speaker 1: gonna give me a lot of Uh what do you encourage?
Speaker 1: I encourage the kids, every kid that you got a
Speaker 1: problem with that bully. You're going in front of the
Speaker 1: class and you beat his ass in front of everybody.
Speaker 1: That kid, he don't know. That's the first thing I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he was the baddest, if he was the baddest
Speaker 1: dude in the school, if he's walking around and filling
Speaker 1: on people's ears and shit, I remember beat up a
Speaker 1: dude named Tyrone grabbing on my ear like this all time.
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be the school with the bully. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know he just and I. I had a
Speaker 1: I had a boxing game when since I was eight
Speaker 1: years old, I wasn't there doing that doing it, So
Speaker 1: I guess he didn't know, you know when I went
Speaker 1: to it. When I transferred to different school, like I
Speaker 1: get kicked out of school everywhere I go, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't even finish the ninth grade because they weren't even
Speaker 1: I don't think that they don't let me go back
Speaker 1: to school now. Don't want to see you in ninth Gracious,
Speaker 1: did you ever get at the plumber? He just said
Speaker 1: he was the name grade. I mean, I got kicked
Speaker 1: out of school too, but I got nothing. Um when
Speaker 1: when people say, man, you're stupid my grade education, what
Speaker 1: would you expect? So the rap field, that void? That
Speaker 1: that that the attention you were seeking to rap Philip Um.
Speaker 1: At the time that I was acting out, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that attention was what I was looking for. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize how much attention I was missing until I
Speaker 1: had my own children, and then I realized, oh god, damn,
Speaker 1: this boy just wants some attention. Looking at what my
Speaker 1: sons would do for attention from me as what I
Speaker 1: would do back then for attention from my parents. I
Speaker 1: didn't have not a one time I saw my mom
Speaker 1: in the stands uh when I was playing football or baseball.
Speaker 1: All our remember was my mom coming up to the
Speaker 1: school after I beat out the principle. What what could
Speaker 1: the principal, Man, don't ask me, don't ask me. Ask
Speaker 1: the people they went to school with me. Yeah, say
Speaker 1: that he really beat up the principle. They'll be like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: the bok. I don't know if that's in the bottom. Well,
Speaker 1: this is a dude. Told one of my partners that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go steal braid, and my partners said, you
Speaker 1: better hit him good. I gotta let him tell a story.
Speaker 1: We're gonna record him telling the story. Anyway. I don't
Speaker 1: know nothing about what happened pre fight. All I know
Speaker 1: is I went in my locker and he hit me,
Speaker 1: and I and my boy saying that wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1: I heard that, so I got dead on his hands.
Speaker 1: The bell rung and people was getting out of classes coming.
Speaker 1: They lay locker. So as brother comes to see the fight,
Speaker 1: his brother jump in, you know his ass. The sister
Speaker 1: principal come up, got on his ass. The principal came up,
Speaker 1: got on her ass, a girl, a woman. The coach
Speaker 1: came up, got on his ass. When I finally stopped
Speaker 1: getting on people's ass, but Mama came up there and
Speaker 1: she said the next time that I have to come
Speaker 1: up to this school, I'm gonna moon everybody, Moon everybody.
Speaker 1: He says, she's gonna moon everybody. You're showing your ass.
Speaker 1: Dropped out crazy, never went back, never be allowed back anyway,
Speaker 1: they said, sistance. They tried to put me in this
Speaker 1: alternative school, like a school that's damning like Ellen. So
Speaker 1: I went there for like four days five and it
Speaker 1: realized it wasn't for me. So when did you get
Speaker 1: introduced to pinning paper boy because you wasn't in school?
Speaker 1: Like what made you just start drhymming? I would have
Speaker 1: to say that I didn't know that we had the
Speaker 1: right rhymes, right rhymes. Probably, I don't know. Man, this
Speaker 1: is this is the r MTV raps um Beato, this
Speaker 1: is some funny m so Beato was managing me and
Speaker 1: we were producing records. Beto would come. We ride the
Speaker 1: metro red metro bus and Beto would, uh, you have
Speaker 1: a brief. It was not a briefcase. It was actually
Speaker 1: you know how to remember to to set uh carry
Speaker 1: where he had that with all the papers in it,
Speaker 1: like it was a briefcase. Got So we would go
Speaker 1: up to this place in the mall called um uh
Speaker 1: somebody records Sounds Sounds something in the mall where you
Speaker 1: can rock record raps. Right, So I would be box
Speaker 1: on one track and I bust a freestyle on the
Speaker 1: other and we will will be listening to this man
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, he's like, man, you need
Speaker 1: to Yeah, you're just as good as everybody else. Got you,
Speaker 1: But what got you spitting so deep? Because I mean,
Speaker 1: you listen to any of your albums, you spit a
Speaker 1: way that most people don't. How you spit from the hawk. Now,
Speaker 1: after meeting you, I'm thinking it probably with therapeutic and
Speaker 1: probably you're to be able to say it. I think
Speaker 1: that's important to be able to say it. I mean
Speaker 1: I always say, if you ain't right, I tell me.
Speaker 1: I tell Brad Junior is trying to get into it.
Speaker 1: He's producing, and then m Bryce is trying to rap,
Speaker 1: and then my son Chris is trying to rap, and
Speaker 1: I'm telling him, like, look, bro, like if you ain't writing,
Speaker 1: if you ain't crying when you're done writing that song
Speaker 1: and you're not writing the right songs. No, No, it's
Speaker 1: it's true because I mean listening to you, I remember
Speaker 1: the joint you did with with Jane Beans and the
Speaker 1: one you said with Brad's too. It made me bust
Speaker 1: a tear. I'm listening to what I'm tearing because that
Speaker 1: was that was actual, actual, factual, right thing and I
Speaker 1: felt I feel it. Yeah, you even said in the
Speaker 1: record you cried as you was right now. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I cried when I wrapped it. You can hear it.
Speaker 1: It was another one I cried on too, man, the
Speaker 1: damn uh uh no surrender. M. That was a real story,
Speaker 1: like that was true, Like they found my buddy in
Speaker 1: his house gone and he was laying his safe dead
Speaker 1: and M Paul Lard she had a bullet through her hand,
Speaker 1: through her head like she had it was it was,
Speaker 1: it was a bad thing. And I recorded the video
Speaker 1: over there where it actually happened, and yeah, like reliving
Speaker 1: that moment that in that studio. You can hear it
Speaker 1: in a voice like it came like damn, you know
Speaker 1: when when when when if you if you write something
Speaker 1: you're not If you ain't crying when you're done writing it,
Speaker 1: then you didn't write the rights period And that that
Speaker 1: that That's just a long and the short of it.
Speaker 1: For me. I come from a long list of of
Speaker 1: musicians and writers, you know, and we always wrote and
Speaker 1: played our hearts. You know. I can't read music, but man,
Speaker 1: if you gave me a guitar, I break the room down.
Speaker 1: I actually been playing guitar too, like with rock bands
Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah, I'm stupid man, having a good ass time.
Speaker 1: What was your relationship like with Pope? It seemed like,
Speaker 1: you know, Park got a really good report with each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: until we was on the road. What happened on the road? Man,
Speaker 1: Park just don't know how to act. Man, Damn. You
Speaker 1: blame it on everybody. I think when I got old,
Speaker 1: I got cool as head. When I started hanging around Jay,
Speaker 1: I got cool. Jay got Jay, Prince press cool man.
Speaker 1: So when you get around Prince, you got it. You're like, everybody,
Speaker 1: get the room, get cool with here. Cool little little dude,
Speaker 1: cool room, get cool. I'm too, I'm too stupid to
Speaker 1: be scared. I said you were his favorite rapper, and
Speaker 1: then when he met you for the first time. Y'all
Speaker 1: had a long conversation and both of you cried during
Speaker 1: that conversation. Nah, I think I cried because I was
Speaker 1: scared that DMX was going to jump off of this
Speaker 1: damn thing in Atlanta. And you know how they got
Speaker 1: the I don't know if I don't even know the
Speaker 1: name of this hotel, but they got the wires in
Speaker 1: the hotel that that hold like the stuff together in there.
Speaker 1: You can step out over the balcony and right and
Speaker 1: JAYZ was I mean in DMX was standing on a joke.
Speaker 1: Don't know, man, I don't think it was a joke,
Speaker 1: but I was like, man, love, man, we need to talk.
Speaker 1: We got down. We talked about um, religion, we talked
Speaker 1: about the Bible, we talked about all kinds of stuff,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the night, we prayed. Man,
Speaker 1: we may have dropped a few tiers. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't remember dropping a few tiers, but if he said
Speaker 1: we did, we did, you know. But I was more
Speaker 1: concertained about what he was going through, you know, because
Speaker 1: for a man to get to that point to where
Speaker 1: he wanted to just say you but you had been
Speaker 1: there before though, Yeah, for a man. To get to
Speaker 1: that point where you just want like it had it
Speaker 1: had to be something really deep going on. Did you
Speaker 1: when you when you saw people in that same space
Speaker 1: you were in, did you look at them and see something? Yea,
Speaker 1: yea saw me and and and and then I say
Speaker 1: it again because he's living right, so it to me,
Speaker 1: it's like X. She was like face, like you wanted
Speaker 1: the attention because you're not dead. You know you took
Speaker 1: you took your advice and just lived as I took
Speaker 1: my own and just lived. I know for a fact
Speaker 1: that I didn't want to I don't want to die.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to die. Did your relationship with your
Speaker 1: mother get better after all of this, you know, suicide
Speaker 1: attempts and acting out in school and then becoming successful.
Speaker 1: Me and my mama never had no problems, okay, because
Speaker 1: I know you said you needed attention from her and
Speaker 1: she wasn't. Really Yeah, that's when I was grown. I'm grown.
Speaker 1: I'm looking back and saying I didn't have their attention
Speaker 1: from my mom. You feel it like back then, I
Speaker 1: didn't know I wanted some attention from my mama. All
Speaker 1: I know is my mama went to work at eight
Speaker 1: in the morning, and sometimes I went to school and
Speaker 1: sometimes I didn't, like I left last, you know, because
Speaker 1: sometimes when you write a book, like I'm sure your
Speaker 1: family members and other people who have read the book
Speaker 1: ahead of time, ahead of it coming out, because I
Speaker 1: just come out. So did people come to you and said,
Speaker 1: I had no idea? You felt this way? I had
Speaker 1: no idea. That happened pretty much. My grandmother she's eighty six,
Speaker 1: so when she got a chance to read that, you know,
Speaker 1: she only knew me as her baby boy. Like I'm
Speaker 1: my grandmother's youngest child in a sense because my grandmother
Speaker 1: raised me. And when she got a chance to read
Speaker 1: all of that that was going on in my life,
Speaker 1: Like she was like, yeah, I had no idea. You
Speaker 1: know when you was president of the Death Jam South,
Speaker 1: that's one of the many things you've done. How did
Speaker 1: that even happen? I had no idea, So that was
Speaker 1: your idea? I thought, Okay, okay, yeah, man, I got
Speaker 1: an idea? So mean, who were there? Who did I
Speaker 1: have an idea? So mean? Right now, that bro, when
Speaker 1: I did that Jam South deal, I said, that was
Speaker 1: gonna shock the world. Remember that, I'm gonna shocked the world. Again.
Speaker 1: Was that something you enjoy doing being an executive? Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm gonna shocked the world again. I say, man,
Speaker 1: I had three I had three lives. Don't share that
Speaker 1: idea right now, somebody's stilling. Hey man, still my idea.
Speaker 1: I had three lives. But I'm having three lives or
Speaker 1: was it the streets? No? The first my first life, Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was looking at the second life.
Speaker 1: I moved so fast until it was just a blur.
Speaker 1: But nothing about it. But the third one, I'm moving
Speaker 1: so slow and just watching the whole I'm just watching
Speaker 1: this show. Now. They say you get nine lives. I'm
Speaker 1: only gonna need these three. But that's only if you're
Speaker 1: a cat, you get nine. Well, I'm yeah, the cold cat,
Speaker 1: cold bloody cat. This third life right here, I'm seeing everything.
Speaker 1: You know? Who? Why you and hip hop? Now? Do
Speaker 1: you even like hip hop at the current STATEQ love Schoolboy?
Speaker 1: Q I love Kendrick um coeture. You don't do that.
Speaker 1: No no no no no no no no, let's start that. Caun.
Speaker 1: We saw you on this nine no no no no
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no none
Speaker 1: none nine. I love that bad Man comic. I don't
Speaker 1: know what he said, but it's cold. That's cold to me.
Speaker 1: Come coming, hey, that's cold man, that's raw to me.
Speaker 1: Like I like that. I love that. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: at this because you don't know, well no, no, I
Speaker 1: can't run with no this to not to my people.
Speaker 1: Only this would be the come on, let's get some
Speaker 1: dish and let me did somebody, Um I just banger
Speaker 1: like John Banger. I diss him like that's a good Um.
Speaker 1: I would this, uh Al Sharpton, but it ain't really
Speaker 1: much to you know, like, I can't this Al because
Speaker 1: even though he told on some people like I still
Speaker 1: love him. Though that cool. I mean he did a
Speaker 1: lot for us. Man, he kind of did I could,
Speaker 1: I could, I could dis Do you think, um, people,
Speaker 1: how does it feel to not see so much resistance
Speaker 1: to Southern hip hop anymore? Because when you was coming
Speaker 1: up yeah, it was like like he was segregated, like
Speaker 1: you can't come up here. I played, oh yeah. And
Speaker 1: now now I come to New York and that's all
Speaker 1: I hear a sound of music across the world. I
Speaker 1: think it's I think that's a great thing. But I
Speaker 1: would really like to take the boundaries off of it
Speaker 1: and just make it music, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: we didn't got no, we ain't got no Southern country South.
Speaker 1: We had well death Jam South. They put that South
Speaker 1: on there. But I did want to run a division
Speaker 1: of death Jam that we could put our people on
Speaker 1: down here, because think about it, before it was that
Speaker 1: we really didn't hear much of what was going on
Speaker 1: down there other than like outcast or uh luke, and
Speaker 1: you really didn't really play too much luke, you know,
Speaker 1: but we did get Did we get some outcast up
Speaker 1: a little bit or a lot? No? A little, a
Speaker 1: little little? Oh? No, now mad they did? Oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm mad at that really. Oh you just don't boot
Speaker 1: outcast though. But Dre, that boy three g nah many
Speaker 1: need to stay right where he at. He got a
Speaker 1: legend status right now he is, Yeah, he man, you
Speaker 1: know what would kill every the game if our cast.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to talk the great, but it's
Speaker 1: hard to put him up there without one rap solo
Speaker 1: out at least one. Man. Man, I don't know, Drey,
Speaker 1: you're a great? Now what about this album you're gonna do? Uh?
Speaker 1: I heard that you were gonna do a joint album
Speaker 1: one time with Nas and the joint album one time
Speaker 1: with Jade. Any of those true? Well Beans, yeah, Beans
Speaker 1: and Nas. I was trying to do a Nas cube
Speaker 1: basse and then the Beans in Faith, but that that
Speaker 1: didn't have beans, had to had to chill out for
Speaker 1: a little while. Uh. I like to do something with
Speaker 1: g rap and uh Billy Dan's I like to you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I kind of want to do that.
Speaker 1: I talked to Cube the other night, and and and
Speaker 1: and we talked about it, Cube, Nads and Scarface. I
Speaker 1: don't know if we would kill it. I think that'd
Speaker 1: be hard. I mean, as as a hip hop fan,
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear that. Yeah, you know yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I'd sit down. Then we really put the beats
Speaker 1: on it, you know, I go see Dream Marley to
Speaker 1: get the beats. You feel me? Yeah? That? How do
Speaker 1: you how do you grow gracefully in hip hop? Man?
Speaker 1: Because I mean you were oldg but nobody else said
Speaker 1: little scar Face is old old, ain't got a sad evidence.
Speaker 1: You see this. It's there to grow gracefully and hip hop.
Speaker 1: It's to do just enough to keep you relevant but
Speaker 1: not too much to make you oversaturated or over publicized.
Speaker 1: You know, as much as I love jay Z and
Speaker 1: as much as I love Kanye in the situation, I
Speaker 1: just love the idea of being able to walk and
Speaker 1: catch the subway and not be right. Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 1: they got too much fame, baby, I mean, dude, man,
Speaker 1: the man can't walk through the airport with his daughter
Speaker 1: man without people snapping pictures or grabbing or you don't
Speaker 1: like that. I don't like that, man. I love them guys. Man,
Speaker 1: I feel like they deserve to have a privacy. You
Speaker 1: ever feel underrated? No, no, no, I think that every
Speaker 1: situation that that became of face Face made sure that
Speaker 1: it happened like that, because if you, if you can
Speaker 1: think way back, we're not way way back, but way
Speaker 1: back like me, Jay and Yay and everybody else was
Speaker 1: running buddies. Remember now, I kind of I don't kind
Speaker 1: of really want to be like that. You kind of
Speaker 1: got a little step back. I had the opportunity when
Speaker 1: they made the switch, when when la Reid took over
Speaker 1: Death Gym, that was probably going to be one of
Speaker 1: the biggest opportunities in my life because I was probably
Speaker 1: gonna get a position there because I was doing the
Speaker 1: business with Luda and making these other movies with you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I didn't want to do
Speaker 1: it like that. I don't know, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be Zero. Got a song you
Speaker 1: ever heard of? Zero? He's got a song called almost famous.
Speaker 1: And that song right there kind of sums it all
Speaker 1: up for me, Like, I love being almost famous. You famous?
Speaker 1: You ain't almost famous? Well, I love being almost hip
Speaker 1: and the hip hop circles you love being famously almost famous.
Speaker 1: Hip hop circles you more than the famous. You man,
Speaker 1: I think that my life is normal. I think that I.
Speaker 1: I think that I go through the same thing you
Speaker 1: guys go through. Yeah you feel Yeah, your your phone
Speaker 1: be ringing off the hook. It's ringing off the hook.
Speaker 1: Now mine too. You've also spoken about retiring that and
Speaker 1: a lot of detective determined that anybody that say they're
Speaker 1: retiring is lying from this. This is like I said before,
Speaker 1: it's like the game. You don't retire from the game,
Speaker 1: you just stopped playing it. You feel me like you
Speaker 1: and we ain't got no pension anything like we were
Speaker 1: retiring and and get social not social security. Um, retirement
Speaker 1: from We got no wet got retirement coming. We're dead
Speaker 1: after this, We're done. Hopefully you put yourself in a
Speaker 1: position where you can maintain the lifestyle that you lived
Speaker 1: when you were twenty when you're sixty. All right, So
Speaker 1: me being the man that I am, instead of trying
Speaker 1: to leve the lifestyle I live when I was twenty,
Speaker 1: when I'm sixty, I just killed all that back. So
Speaker 1: when I'm sixty, if I make it, I'm good. It
Speaker 1: seems like you're taking cares of it. Make you wanna
Speaker 1: get bracest. Then I got tired of being ugly girls
Speaker 1: like dude racist for some reason. No, no, no, get
Speaker 1: the whole stough. I swear to goodness, you gonna have
Speaker 1: more chicks man, and gonna be like dang ye liking
Speaker 1: it killing them with it. Now, when you were when
Speaker 1: you were incarcerated, you you sat. I remember reporting the stories,
Speaker 1: and it seems like you sat longer than you should have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why was that? He was gone? I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I was through. Here's the thing. Well first and for
Speaker 1: almost I'm in the county that's ran by the clan.
Speaker 1: Let me get closer. I'm in the county that's evident.
Speaker 1: That's that's most definitely the clan, all right for one.
Speaker 1: And then you look at the the the judicial system
Speaker 1: and how it's set up for us any damn way,
Speaker 1: so you know we're failing there. Yeah, So the six
Speaker 1: months that I was supposed to do for a kid
Speaker 1: that was already nineteen years old, that I took care
Speaker 1: of in the beginning, turned into some totally different now.
Speaker 1: You know, they want to hold me for I don't
Speaker 1: know what reason, still haven't figured that out, but I
Speaker 1: think that that judge had a problem with me because
Speaker 1: I was black and she was the one that didn't
Speaker 1: want to go to school with my mama. Remember remember
Speaker 1: when the principal family? Remember remember remember when the when
Speaker 1: the schools uh integrated and the white kids started walking out?
Speaker 1: In the parents book, we at that old face. Now
Speaker 1: I don't remember that part. Well, you gotta check that
Speaker 1: in history. I bet you those are those those same
Speaker 1: people that run the judicial system, was the ones who
Speaker 1: walked out of the classroom, you know, the same people
Speaker 1: that doesn't charge of everything, you know. But anyway, I
Speaker 1: got to short end of the stick for for kids
Speaker 1: that we already took care of, and the state wants
Speaker 1: to make wants to create animosity between the man, woman
Speaker 1: and child in the black families. You know, so they did.
Speaker 1: They did more than the mee than that what they
Speaker 1: were supposed to. But all that's fine, and Danny, that's
Speaker 1: behind me. I ain't man, you know, just don't you
Speaker 1: be mad, because I'm moving on with my life, so
Speaker 1: hopefully they can move on with theirs. I did what
Speaker 1: I had to doing, and that's what it is. You
Speaker 1: named yourself scar face. That was after the actual movie, right, No,
Speaker 1: I name I named they name the public name is
Speaker 1: scar face because of a song that I mean. I
Speaker 1: had never watched that movie before I wrote that song.
Speaker 1: We didn't have VCRs back then. I was always think
Speaker 1: of the line when J D said, a scar Face
Speaker 1: the movie didn't I always wonder what scar Faced the
Speaker 1: movie did to you? Scar Faced the movie. When I
Speaker 1: finally to c Jay was the only one that had VCR.
Speaker 1: He had me. I swear to goodness, I'm not prince man.
Speaker 1: Jay had Jay had we couldn't even imagine having when
Speaker 1: we was kids, all right, we were, And keep in mind,
Speaker 1: Jay wasn't that much older than me. You know, I
Speaker 1: think that if I signed. Let me see Jay is
Speaker 1: six years older than me. Okay, six years older than me,
Speaker 1: so when I was seventeen, right, but Jay twenty three
Speaker 1: was like forty three the og I like the man
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere. You know, nice spread, nice cars,
Speaker 1: nice this is nice that you know, hard working dude
Speaker 1: selling cars, you know what I mean? And read the
Speaker 1: benefits from it. Uh. To see that was when I
Speaker 1: started dreaming. To see him scarface, to see Jay started
Speaker 1: my dream That's when my dreams started. Like this was
Speaker 1: all attainable by somebody that was a few years older
Speaker 1: than me, from your hood, from your area, from not
Speaker 1: from my area, but from my six city. Were from
Speaker 1: two different sides of the tracks, two different sides of
Speaker 1: the city, on the north side of from the south side.
Speaker 1: But to see that with my own eyes was very inspirational.
Speaker 1: To mean, your original rapping name DJ Action, Okay, because
Speaker 1: I was a DJ. If he plugged that up, I'll
Speaker 1: bowl your mind. You ain't gonna do nothing, a little
Speaker 1: bit like what how about you got how about you
Speaker 1: got on it? No, I started as a DJ, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to like all of the j's that could
Speaker 1: wrap who wanted to make sure I could bust the
Speaker 1: like Grandmaster d. He had no chance, like he could
Speaker 1: scratch love him to death, but rap him and scratch him.
Speaker 1: I was gonna annihilate him. Um whatever DJs that could wrap,
Speaker 1: I want to be way better than them, So I
Speaker 1: focused on being in it. I think caliin might wash
Speaker 1: you what, but I smash DJ smash Kalin. He might
Speaker 1: be out DJ me now right now because I'm out
Speaker 1: of practice to say something crazy. Yeah, I mean, if
Speaker 1: Cali want to wrap, if he won't battle me now,
Speaker 1: I love Calid man Canada to play the hugest part
Speaker 1: of And and Me, you know, making a record again,
Speaker 1: to make an album again, Calip was a huge yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: God you talk about pep talk like I would love
Speaker 1: to be in the gym with Calid you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah that's that man. I love him to death. Man.
Speaker 1: He gave me inspiration, you know, in a whole lot
Speaker 1: of ways. He gave me beats, you know, to exercise on.
Speaker 1: You know, he gave me opportunity to damn. He gave
Speaker 1: me opportunity to um to get back and and and
Speaker 1: and and say something. You know what I mean, Because
Speaker 1: if you if you think about it when I first
Speaker 1: came home. Hip hop was the first record that I
Speaker 1: was on, you know, for somebody, and Calla sent me
Speaker 1: a record. He was like, face, I want you to
Speaker 1: want you to get on this record. I want you
Speaker 1: to see what you do with it. And then I
Speaker 1: wrote it, wrapped it and send it back to him.
Speaker 1: I say, hey, now listen, it's totally different. You know
Speaker 1: I'm talking about I'm talking about something else here. Sound
Speaker 1: like I'm talking about a girl, but I'm talking about
Speaker 1: hip hop. And he listened to any camm and he
Speaker 1: went crazy. About five years later, no, I just playing.
Speaker 1: But a few months later, man, Nas got on it.
Speaker 1: And if you look on it, uh. The reaction when
Speaker 1: I first heard Nas is versus on camera for the
Speaker 1: world and boy, that's when it all. That's when it
Speaker 1: all dawned on me, Like this guy is a an animal.
Speaker 1: No no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no no no I've been you're no no no
Speaker 1: no no, nah no nah nah. When you know somebody,
Speaker 1: you don't look at him like that. I look at
Speaker 1: Nays like my partner, okay, all right, like this is
Speaker 1: my friend, this is I call him. I look at
Speaker 1: I look at cute like my partners too short, like
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm cute, chipp You don't look at
Speaker 1: him like we look at him. That what he said now.
Speaker 1: But when I heard I always knew he was a phenale.
Speaker 1: But when I heard that, I was like, damn, don't
Speaker 1: make me do this dame like a Renheal James. You know, um,
Speaker 1: you can have her, she's a mother. Damn nasm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this dame like a Jane. Uh,
Speaker 1: she's yours you can have, but she's a mother. I
Speaker 1: don't like. Damn. And that that those lines right there
Speaker 1: let me know that what he was going with what
Speaker 1: he felt like. He felt that for hip hop, but
Speaker 1: he also felt that you feel me like when I
Speaker 1: wrote mine like I felt that right. You know now
Speaker 1: you talk about him being a phenome. You know you
Speaker 1: are a phenome. Do you look at yourself and be like,
Speaker 1: I'm a phenome? Like I see the way that you
Speaker 1: talk about all these other artists. If you don't, you
Speaker 1: are giving people their flowers when they're here to smell them.
Speaker 1: People like to call that now, Oh no, no, nah,
Speaker 1: we we we we we were family. Man. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't I appreciate y'all. I love y'all. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be. No, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be no bigger than than nobody else. Man, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be. You know. I appreciate y'all though, really
Speaker 1: I do, because when you think about it, when you
Speaker 1: think about it, you're like, damn uh show you my
Speaker 1: album cover to the album, dude, you want to see
Speaker 1: a picture. I was a little boy. You see he said,
Speaker 1: you laugh with boxing. Man, that's Troy. Yeah, that ain't
Speaker 1: you do's me. You got a book sign in tomorrow
Speaker 1: seven pm, Powerhouse Arena in Brooklyn. The books out right now,
Speaker 1: Diary of a Madman. When the album coming July. Man,
Speaker 1: you're gonna show up the cover and you see the cover. No,
Speaker 1: that's the Yellow Boy. Yeah, but I'm talking about that.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about cud like anybody had about a quarterspoon
Speaker 1: about the quarterspools. Yeah, So this is the album cover.
Speaker 1: This is the neighborhood I grew up, scar face, deeply rooted.
Speaker 1: This is the neighborhood I grew up. That's tough, all
Speaker 1: right to be from right here, and it's a buddy
Speaker 1: of mine. Okay, show the camera not yet okay. For
Speaker 1: me to be here in New York with you guys
Speaker 1: coming from that area right there, makes me know, like, damn, bro,
Speaker 1: anything's possible. I'm glad you didn't kill y'all. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you didn't kill yourself. Absolutely, you mean we're glad you
Speaker 1: didn't kill Yeah. Absolutely, Now I appreciate that, man. You
Speaker 1: just you really, you really have no idea um because
Speaker 1: just could have all turned out the wrong way for
Speaker 1: me because I was one of them kids. You know
Speaker 1: how you try to you know, how you see kids
Speaker 1: you want to go back and try to say, well,
Speaker 1: we'll try to help them. You know, I was one
Speaker 1: of those kids. Oh sorry, yeah, I'm too goddamn cool
Speaker 1: for school. But you see, you see those kids that,
Speaker 1: and you want to help them, and you try to
Speaker 1: do your best. And like I said, I was one
Speaker 1: of those kids. And and and to be able to
Speaker 1: to to live and to become a man, and to
Speaker 1: learn from the mistakes that I made, you know, over
Speaker 1: those years, to be sitting here like it's some picture
Speaker 1: all right up, you know, it lets me know that
Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't do what I was what I
Speaker 1: thought I wanted to do. You know, but we appreciate
Speaker 1: you for it's definitely it's big for us to have
Speaker 1: you here. Absolutely talk about Hey, that's right, we appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Diary of a Madman Pick it up right now, Uncle Face.
Speaker 1: Scarf's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, I don't end