1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number two hundred 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: and eighteen, and today the show, Dan, myself and our 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: buddy Andy may are tackling listenersmitted questions on topics such 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: as target, panic, analyzing, dear data, sent control, and advanced 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: wind strategies. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. 9 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: And today it's gonna be a fun episode. It's it's 10 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: kind of a BS session slash Q and a session 11 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: with the nine Fingered Wonder Dan Johnson and also our 12 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: buddy Andy may Ore d I Y white Tail Extraordinaire. 13 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: And um, we're to cover all sorts of stuff. Um 14 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: We've got questions related to you know, how to plan 15 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: d I Y trips, to what kind of harnesses are 16 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: good to use to send control, questions to um everything 17 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: about deal it's harder, panic, Just a whole slew of 18 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: wide and vary questions. But um, before we get to 19 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: the questions, I want to first offer a correction of 20 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: sorts and then I want to dive into what's new 21 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: with you Dan and you Andy? UM. But first correction 22 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: or sort of an addition to the conversation we had 23 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: in last week's episode. So if you haven't heard episode 24 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: two seventeen, we had this episode with the folks over 25 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: from Modern Huntsmen, and the conversation was all about UM 26 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: their perspectives on how we might want to think about 27 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: adjusting the way we communicate about hunting so that it's 28 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: it's UM easy to bring new hunters into the fold, 29 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: so that we're doing a slightly better job of improving 30 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: kind of the the perception of hunting to the outside world. 31 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: So there's a whole bunch of different ideas and UM 32 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: perspectives and thoughts shared on ways to do that. UH. 33 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: And I think it's a really important conversation, and I 34 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: think it's an important thing. But there's one thing that 35 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I did a good enough job of mentioning, 36 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: and it's this, And I just want to make sure 37 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: we say this that as much as we need to 38 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: be careful and considered about how we present hunting and 39 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: how we communicate about hunting, UM, as much as that 40 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: is important, at the same time, it's my opinion that 41 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: We don't need to apologize for hunting. We shouldn't need 42 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: to feel like we need to hide what hunting is 43 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: or that we need to not be proud of it. 44 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: We should be proud of who we are. We should 45 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: be proud hunters. We can do that, though, I think 46 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: in a way that achieves both things. We can be 47 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: a proud hunter and also be positive representatives of hunting. 48 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: I think there's a happy medium in there where we 49 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: don't need to sugarcoat what we're doing, but at the 50 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: same time, we don't need to present something that's appalling 51 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: to the rest of the world either. UM So that's 52 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: just one thing I want to make sure that's out 53 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: there in the world, is that there's a way that 54 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: we can be true to ourselves and be positive representatives. 55 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: UM no need to pretend that we're not doing what 56 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: we're doing. So that's my small, tiny update from last 57 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: week's episode. Dan Johnson, I guess before anything else, do 58 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: you agree with that? R? Wow? All right, Dan's excited. 59 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm fired out, fired out? Okay, what do you fired at? Yeah? 60 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: I agree with it, and kind of I am fired 61 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: up about life. You had a great trip, right right, right, 62 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: had a great trip, um, and it's kind of funny 63 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: you mentioned this, um, you know, not apologizing were being 64 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: a hunter. My trip was out to California, where everybody, 65 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, very liberal state so to speak, especially the 66 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: area that I was around, and hunting came up in conversation, um, 67 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: because I, you know, I would wear maybe a hunting 68 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: T shirt or what do you do in you know, 69 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: what do you do? And then my wife mentioned that, 70 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, I have a hunting podcast and all this stuff, 71 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: and it was really really cool to be able to say, 72 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a bow hunter. And by the way, 73 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: people think that all hunting is done with guns out there. 74 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: Every person I talked to and then I mentioned that 75 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: I only you know, hunted deer with archery equipment, and 76 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: their mind, the people that I talked to that someone 77 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: was doing something so primitive still these days, and they 78 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: had this, you know, this vision that all hunters were 79 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: gun hunters, and it was it was awesome to kind 80 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: of walk them through what I did, how I did it, 81 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, walk them through you know, hey, I don't 82 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: I don't just hunt for the antlers. I used the 83 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: meat too, And that was another misconception that they had 84 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: that they they felt that they people only hunted with 85 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: guns and that they only hunted for like animals with 86 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: large horns or antlers. So people were pretty open to 87 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: like that conversation though, like they're curious. It wasn't like 88 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: they shut you out as soon as they found out 89 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: you were a hunter. Um No, not really. The people 90 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: that I talked to were intrigued first of all, and 91 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: then as I kind of you know, you could tell 92 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: that they maybe had run into someone before, had an 93 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: interaction with a hunter before that probably did not do 94 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: a good job. But I made it a point to 95 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: get my entire um, i guess spiel out there, so 96 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, so I didn't compare myself to the stereotype 97 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: that they had probably been introduced to first of all, 98 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome that I 99 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: always I love those opportunities when you get to have 100 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: talk to someone who is intrigued, you know, and and 101 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: and offer the context you know. So often, like you said, 102 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: there's a stereotype and people never never get a chance 103 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: to go deeper into what it is we do. So 104 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: when you do get that chance, I get pretty excited 105 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, And it was it was one of 106 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: the first times. It's like three times that trip where 107 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: I had to break it down for people and you know, 108 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: talk to them. They're like, oh, it doesn't dear meat 109 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: taste bad. And I'm like, it tastes bad if you 110 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: haven't cooked it right, you know, because we were up 111 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: in wine country and we were doing you know, the 112 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: conversation was always about what kind of food do you 113 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: pair with this wine or what kind of wine do 114 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: you pair with this food? So I asked, you know, like, 115 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: we eat a lot of venison in my house, and 116 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: they're like venison. I'm like, yeah, dear meat. And they're like, 117 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: you eat deer and I'm like, yeah, I'm a I'm 118 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: a hunter or whatever. I go out and I harvest 119 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: animals and I you know, clean them up, and I 120 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: feed my family with them. And there they were intrigued 121 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: by that. But then they got excited because I was 122 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: able to introduce something that I liked, which was hunting 123 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: and eating dear meat, to something that they liked to do, 124 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: and that was pair wines with specific food. So it 125 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: took this guy off in a new, completely new direction. 126 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: He's like, venison, Okay, that's a you know, that's somewhat 127 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: of a lean dark meat. So yeah, you can do 128 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: this or this or this, and so like we we 129 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: shared excitement. So that was kind of that was kind 130 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: of cool. So are you are now mm hmm No, 131 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: not even close, my man. Uh, but but I did, dude, 132 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: I did taste a lot of wines. We did go 133 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: to a lot of vineyards. It was a unique experience. 134 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: You know, that trip was pretty much brownie points for 135 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: my wife. Uh. But it was a unique experience because 136 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: and as you know, Mark, you used to live out 137 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: in that area north of San Francisco is absolutely gorgeous country. 138 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: I mean rolling, rolling hills, um big valleys. And then 139 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: the last day of the trip, we went to the Pacific. Um. 140 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: We've made one stop at a redwood forest, um Armstrong Woods, 141 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: and it just you know, the history in that area, 142 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: the you know, we we sat underneath of a tree 143 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: that was hundred years old and our yeah, years old 144 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: and ft tall. You don't get trees that, you know 145 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: like that in Iowa. And then we made it to 146 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: the coast and took Highway one all the way back 147 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: down to San Francisco and stopped at Point Reyes National Seashore. Dude, 148 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: like like a picture. I mean, it's like a painting. 149 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: It's just unbelievably beautiful. Yeah, you have, you had some 150 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: great pictures. It seemed like you had a great time 151 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: down there. But it did it did seem like um 152 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: and Andy. I'm not sure if you saw this online, 153 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: but it seemed like Dan's most favorite part of the 154 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: entire trip. He's not mentioning here publicly. I'm not sure 155 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: why he's not mentioning this, But I saw that you 156 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: became a you became a professional segue racer. I don't 157 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: care where you go. Let's say you go. Let's say 158 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: the next time we're in Uh, where's the a t 159 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: a show this year? Mark Louisville. If they have a 160 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: Louisville segue tour, you best believe I'm gonna be on it, 161 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: because dude, I looked like a nerd wear and a 162 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: yellow vest and a helmet. But writing a segue is 163 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: really fun. And I'll tell you what else is really fun. 164 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: Looking at the pictures of you writing a segue, I 165 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: laughed and laughed and I posted that series of pictures 166 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: of you on my Instagram story and we had so 167 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: many people messaged me just cracking up. So you brought 168 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: a lot of joy to people's lives this weekend. Dan, 169 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: That's what I'm here for. That's what I'm here for. 170 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: I got a question for you. Yeah, did you uh? 171 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: Did you happen to see anyone holder us out there? 172 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: You know? I did, not a lot, because I don't 173 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: know if you know this, but there in October there 174 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: was a absolutely huge gigantic fire that wiped out thousands 175 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: of houses and thousands upon thousands of acres of uh, 176 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: I guess land, and I saw man, I saw a 177 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: lot or I saw about four black tailed deer. I 178 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: don't know if one of them was a mule deer. 179 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: I'm assuming it was like a black tailed deer. Everybody 180 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: calls them coastal deer out there. But all those Now, 181 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: the the guy who, let's see, we stayed out of airbnb, 182 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: uh the last two nights. And the guy goes this morning, 183 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: when I was taking my trash out, there were five 184 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: there were five bucks standing in his yard and then 185 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: they when he went to go take his trash out, 186 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: they ran into a vineyard. And um, but that would 187 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: have been cool to see. I didn't see him. Um. 188 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: And the guy there there is a hunting presence there 189 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:36,479 Speaker 1: because people do not like the deer eating all their profits, 190 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: so they they allow hunters to come into the vineyards 191 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: and harvest the animals. So that's that's pretty cool as well. Yeah, 192 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: I know that area out there is very pretty, Like 193 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: you mentioned, I spent a little bit of time out 194 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: there just after college, and uh, I always I wish 195 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: at the time I was work there, you know, my 196 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: old day job south of San Francisco during the fall, 197 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: and so I was missing out on hunting season in 198 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: the Midwest. I wish that I had tried to figure 199 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: out how to pull off a hunt out there, just 200 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what I would have done. Found some 201 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: public land and tried it, but I guess I was 202 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: so caught up in the job and everything I didn't 203 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: But that's one of my regrets. You know, I was 204 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: out in this very different, interesting place. I should have 205 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: tried to take advantage of that. But if I could 206 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: do it again, I would have explored that region up 207 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: by where you were at, because it seems like there 208 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: are some opportunities there. But that's cool. I'm glad you 209 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: had a good trip. Glad she's got some brownie points. 210 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: Um do you have you been able to quantify exactly 211 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: how many days of hunting this is gonna equal? Is 212 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: this equal to two weeks of rout hunts or or 213 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: what did you achieve? This is equal? This is equal 214 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: to let me think this is equal to one dear 215 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: trip or one elk trip out to Colorado in September 216 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: and potentially a mule your hunt to South Dakota in December. Man, well, 217 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: this is a wonderful investment. Yeah. I don't know about that. 218 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if the the r o 219 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: I is gonna be uh worth it. But she was happy, 220 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: and you know, you know they're saying, when when mom 221 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: is happy, everybody else can be happy. So yeah, man, 222 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: that's good stuff. I'm glad it. I'm glad it went well. 223 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: Uh Andy, I saw that this past week and you 224 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: were up to some fun stuff too at the Total 225 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: Archery Challenge up in Northern Michigan. How was that? That 226 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: was great? Have you guys ever done it? No? I haven't, No, No, Yeah, 227 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: it's pretty incredible. Um. I went for the first time 228 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: last year, and uh, you know, I've heard about it 229 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: and see seen some like YouTube videos and stuff, and 230 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,599 Speaker 1: it looked like a lot of fun. And um, I 231 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: went last year with a buddy and uh it was 232 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: just it was the most fun I ever had shooting 233 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: my bow, just because you know, they incorporate they tried 234 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: to mimic the out West experience. So you know, they 235 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: you right up the ski lift, um, you know, to 236 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: the top of the mountain, and you kind of shoot 237 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: your way down, kind of hike in between, um, you know, 238 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: each each shot. So like we shot all day, fray, 239 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, all day Saturday, and then half a day Sunday. 240 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: But we put on seventeen miles. So that was that 241 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: was in three course. Uh, targets per course. So it's 242 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: it's cool because they incorporate, you know, the physical challenge 243 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: of you know, hiking around a lot of guys a 244 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: pack and some guys even put a little weight in 245 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: the back just to kind of you get that full 246 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: experience of of you know, an out West hunt. Um, 247 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: it's a ton of fun. They got some really tricky shots. 248 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: It's a lot of long range stuff, so you know, um, 249 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: a lot of guys kind of trained for it and uh, 250 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: you know practice their long range accuracy because there's there's 251 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: some you know, several targets over a hundred yards. Um, 252 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: you don't have to shoot at that distance. There's no rule, 253 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: you don't have to keep scores. It's really a fun shoot. 254 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: There's no winner and a loser. So if if you 255 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: walk up to a hundred yard target and you know 256 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: you don't feel comfortable, you can walk up to sixty yards. 257 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: You can walk up to forty yards and shoot it 258 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: and have fun. Um and you know, go to the 259 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: next one. So it's it's a great time. We met 260 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: a ton of people and everybody is just you know, 261 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: everybody's like you guys, just cool, fun to talk to. 262 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: You talk a lot of honey in a lot art 263 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: three and just really, I don't I don't know that 264 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: I'll ever miss it unless something, you know, with the 265 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: family comes up. I'll probably go every year. Wow. Yeah, 266 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: it looks like it looks like a good time, and 267 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: you've heard just everyone I talked to about it. Also 268 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: is the same thing, whether it's the one here in 269 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: Michigan or I know a lot of guys go out 270 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: to one in Montana. That seems like a great event. 271 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: Um Man, I saw you, I saw you making a 272 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: hundred and twenties six yards shot Andy, that's impressive. Yeah, yeah, 273 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: well I I should almost every day, so uh, you know, 274 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: I just it. I think it's it sounds a little 275 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: more intimidating than it is. Um. You know, if you 276 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: gotta a good tune set up, and you know you 277 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: gotta you obviously gotta have some decent form and shoot 278 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: quite a bit. But you know, these days, they have 279 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: some sites that you know, you can kind of dial in, 280 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: uh you know to extreme yardages, and I think what 281 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: what freaks a lot of people out is, you know, 282 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: it's something that distance. What happens is that your pin 283 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: float looks huge, right, so it looks like your pins 284 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: dancing all over the target. But if you can kind 285 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: of ignore that and let that go and just run 286 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: through your shot sequence, you know, you'll be all right. 287 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: Use your southing done. Though. I bet I don't have enough. 288 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: I don't have enough arrows to participate in the Total 289 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: Archery Challenge. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's a it's funny, 290 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: there's a bucket there that's uh, you know, all the 291 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: broken arrows. You know that, Um, you know that people 292 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: pick up throughout the course and it's just chuck full 293 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: of them. And I don't know. I put a YouTube 294 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: video on my Facebook page, but there's a on this 295 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: one target you're shooting. It was like ninety six yards 296 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: and you're you gotta thread it between two trees that 297 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: are i don't know, maybe twenty inches apart at a 298 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: dough or I think it was a buck target. Um. 299 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: But the tree on the right had about sixty arrow inserts. 300 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: The tree looked like it was about to tip over. 301 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: It was so funny. But yeah, it's it's a good time. 302 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: You go. They're kind of expecting, you know, you know, 303 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: to lose a few arrows. I had some buddies that 304 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: went for the first time and they most of these 305 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: guys had never shot over you know, probably fifty sixty yards, 306 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: but they practiced, you know, and they got a site, 307 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: an adjustable site where they could kind of dial into 308 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: those longer yards is and they did They did good. 309 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: They did a good job. It was fun nice. So 310 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: that that sounds like an awesome time, Andy, um So, 311 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: so I want to jump in now and give you 312 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: guys two pieces of news from me. Um. I've got 313 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: one piece of good news and I've got one piece 314 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: of bad news. Which do you want to hear? First 315 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: bad bad Okay, the bad news is that me and 316 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: further lost our ohio lease, Oh man, did they find out? 317 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: Did they find out that you merged with Ronella? And 318 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: they they said, hey man, this guy's got some money. 319 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: He has to have some money. Uh, let's charge up more. 320 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: And then you're like, screw that. I'm not gonna pay 321 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: that ridiculous. You know, that's an interesting uh scenario, you 322 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: paint their dam. But no, that's not what happened. Um. Unfortunately, 323 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: the situation is that um, the landowners, um, I have 324 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: got to an age where they cannot live there anymore, 325 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: and their children are selling the property. So yeah, been 326 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: there many Yeah, it's a major bumber. Had a lot 327 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: of really good memories out there, a lot of great 328 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: hunting trips over the last oh gosh, I don't know, 329 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: six seven years now. So but how how bummed are 330 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: you actually, because it sounds to me like the last 331 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: couple of years, although that that leash produced some big 332 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: deer in the past, like, it sounds to me like 333 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: it was trending downhill. Anyway, It was trending downhill, yes, 334 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: but still like compared to anything I had in Michigan, 335 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: it was still the best chance I have to see 336 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: or kill a mature buck, you know, even though it's 337 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: a small limited property. Um pressure increasing. But but nowhere 338 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: else do I hunt where I was seeing those kinds 339 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: of deer. Um. So I'm just now now it's just 340 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: like square one. The one thing is at least I 341 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: had that in my back pocket, you know. Now it's 342 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: what am I going to do for ohile? So that'll 343 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: be a fun new challenge to figure out over the 344 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: next couple of months. I guess nothing like summer timing 345 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: for that. I guess it could be worse. So that's 346 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: the bad news. I'm sure we'll have more to share 347 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: in that in future episodes. Is I kind of figure 348 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: out what my other options are? Um? Good news though, well, 349 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: we'll focus on the good I think I saw holy 350 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: Field last night. What yep, Um, are you laughing over 351 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: the da Yes, you know, here's what's gonna happen. Um, 352 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna You're probably gonna if I know you at all, 353 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna change your mind, you know, and you 354 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: might dedicate another season to this buck. Um. I just 355 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: recommend like practicing hundred yard shots from a tree stand. 356 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: That way you can at least give yourself an opportunity 357 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 1: at him this year. Yeah, I I sense holy Field 358 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: fatigue from you, Dan, which, dude, it's cool. I've been 359 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: through the I've been through the same thing. But um, 360 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: it's just one of these things I think for me, 361 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: you know, I followed these books for a long time, 362 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: like or for sets of Deer or whatever, for a 363 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: long periods of time, and it's the moment that you 364 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: least expect it is the moment it will happen. It's 365 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: almost like you forget about it and then all of 366 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: a sudden, that is the day that holy Field will 367 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: show up in a shooting line. Yeah. Well, uh, you know, 368 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about it a month or 369 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: two ago. But just how, And I won't belabor the 370 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: point too much now, but just how. My strategy this 371 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: year is probably gonna be too, not be so singlemindedly 372 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: focused on them. Like I've got a lot of things 373 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be doing here in the off season, trying 374 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: to make sure I'm prepared, but I'm not gonna obsess 375 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: over it too much. And you know, if there's other 376 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: opportunit and he's the other deer, I'll probably take that too, 377 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: So him. Well, I don't know on but um, I 378 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: was able to watch these big batchelor group of bucks 379 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: in a bean field a couple hundred yards away with 380 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: a spotting scope and it was right at last light. 381 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: So I can't say for sure, but based off the 382 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: brow times and the main beams spread and everything so far, 383 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: it looks like the brow times and everything match what 384 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: he looks like. Um. And I thought, you know, one time, 385 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: I thought when his ear was like kind of backlit 386 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: by the sky, I thought I could see a chunk 387 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: missing from the ear. Um. So I'm not a percent sure, 388 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: but it looks like as close of a match as 389 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: you could possibly get at this point in the growth. 390 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: So hopefully he'll be out there again. Whatever that buck was, 391 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: Hopefully he'll be back again sometime soon, and maybe he'll 392 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: be with more daylight and I can get a better 393 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: look at him. But um, but encouraging that there's at 394 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: least one mature buck closest property. So it wasn't on 395 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 1: the proper deckon hunt. It was across the road from it, 396 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: but but right there, and and that certainly could be 397 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: where he's at. So that was good to see. That 398 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: was awesome. Yeah, pretty cool, you got cameras out, you know, 399 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: I actually don't. Um, I was you know, usually I 400 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: get him out earlier in the year, but um, but 401 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: this year I was thinking of just kind of holding 402 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: off and getting him out probably right before I leave 403 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: for Montana. So probably two weeks from now, I'll put 404 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: him out and just having fresh batteries and writer rock 405 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: and roll and let him soak for for a month 406 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: a month and a half and check him in August. 407 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: So that's my game plan. Good luck, buddy, Thank you. 408 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: Sarah Mark. Do you have a um an out West 409 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: white Tail Hunt playing this year again? Yeah, so I 410 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: got I've got him Montana white Tail tag again. Um. 411 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: So definitely gonna do that. Um and then small chance. 412 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm still decide on whether or not I'm going to 413 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: do the North Dakota thing. Um I've got. I've scouted 414 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: out some great spots this spring, so I feel like 415 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: I'd love to get out there. It's just a matter 416 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: of can I slip in the North Dakota trip everything 417 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: else I've got going on without, you know, leaving my 418 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: family responsibilities too much. So yeah, you found a bunch 419 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: of sheds out in North Dakota too, right, Oh yeah, yeah, 420 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: found some found some good looking sheds. So I'd love 421 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: to hunt one of that deer that I found with 422 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: the draft time. I'd love to I'd love to get 423 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: after that buck. That'd be that'd be a unique opportunity. 424 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: So cool, we'll see, very cool. But you could always 425 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: you can always get a flat tire. I mean Montana 426 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: or North Dakota is in between Montana and Michigan. It's true, 427 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: so I could probably break down. So this is the 428 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: phone the phone call I make to my wife is 429 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry hunting, but the cars broke down outside 430 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: a piece of public land in North Dakota, and I'm 431 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: gonna have it hunt here for a week. Yeah, that 432 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: seems like that'll fly. Um, okay, so do you guys 433 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: want to answer some some questions from the listeners. Let's 434 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: do it all right. Um, Let's take a quick break 435 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: then to thank our partners at White Tail Properties, and 436 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: then we'll get to those questions. This week with white 437 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: Tail Properties, we are joined by Brandon Schwartzlander, a land 438 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: specialist out of Illinois, and Brandon is going to be 439 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: telling us about the importance of getting the next generation 440 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: involved with land management. You know, that's a great question. 441 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: I think, Uh me personally, I think getting kids involved early, 442 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: and maybe not just kids, but but anyone who hasn't 443 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: experienced the outdoors or land. I mean, it's it's just 444 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: such an awesome advance. I honestly gotta potench myself sometimes 445 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: because I get to do this for a living. But 446 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: you know when when I have girls and some of 447 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: them hunt, some of them don't hunt, but just just 448 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: being out we all shoot, we all shoot bowse um, 449 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: and we all experienced the outdoors, we shed hunts, we 450 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: do all those things together. I just think that you 451 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: can take away so much or by spending time with 452 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: whether it's your family or friends or whomever in in 453 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: the woods or or you know, on a piece of land. 454 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: It's it's it's so much better than than you know, 455 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: having a phone stuck in your face or a laptop 456 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: or whatever. I just think it gives us an opportunity 457 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: to go back to to what we were raised on 458 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: and and I think, you know, maybe maybe that's missing 459 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: to some degree and in society today. But I just 460 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: think when when you introduce things at an early age, 461 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: I think I was probably five when I started um 462 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: in the outdoors with my dad. But it makes you 463 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: want to be better and it takes you away from, 464 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, things that that can be a negative influence. 465 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: I just I feel like it's it's such a positive 466 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: thing for especially with family. I mean, when you can 467 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: can do those things with your kids and your wife 468 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: or whatever. If you'd like to learn more and to 469 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: see the properties that Brandon currently has listed for sale, 470 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: visit white tail properties dot com. Backslash Swartzlander that's s 471 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: w A R t z l A n d e R. 472 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: I want to start with a softball here, real quick, 473 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: this is this is really a softball. We got a 474 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: question from a guy named Jason on Instagram and he 475 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: said he said that he's been that he actually just 476 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: put purchased in Lone Wolf stands and sticks based off 477 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: of what Dan and I have been saying about them 478 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: the past, but he did not like the harness that 479 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: came with it, so he was curious what types of 480 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: safety harnesses do we use? What should we consider when 481 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: purchasing a safety harness that kind of stuff. So quick 482 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: gear question here, Dan, what's your safety harness? A choice? Well, 483 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: I am using a lone Wolf. I've been using the 484 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: lone Wolf h safety harness for a long time. But 485 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: I've also in the past used those vests. So it's 486 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: it's a like a vest you put on and all 487 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: you do is have to buckle it one time right 488 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: up front, easy and then you do your legs uh 489 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: and you're done. And that's it's a really easy way 490 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: to um to do that. I don't use it anymore 491 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: because I felt like there's points or times where it 492 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: would restrict some movement and I didn't like that, so 493 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: that I went to a full harness and not the vest. 494 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: So that's what I use. And when you say you're 495 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,719 Speaker 1: using the lone wolf uh harness, that's not it's not 496 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: the freebie one that comes over a tree stande. No 497 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, you're right, clarify, Yeah, it is not 498 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: the free one that comes with the tree stay and 499 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: I have the the other one with the padded straps 500 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: and all the all the all the goodies. Yeah, because 501 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: because those ones that come with tree stands. While while 502 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: I appreciate the fact they're giving you something, I don't 503 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: know anyone who actually uses those or finds it to 504 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: be a great option. I have a box in my 505 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: garage that of every tree stand I've ever purchased or 506 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: have received. I have a box of safety harnesses that 507 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: come with those tree stands. Yeah yeah, what what do 508 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: you using? Andy? Um? I actually use a rock climbing harness. 509 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: Have you guys heard of anybody using those? I have 510 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,239 Speaker 1: heard of that I have. I've been intrigued by it. 511 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: Tell us, tell us more. Um well, Uh, there's a 512 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: buddy of mine. We actually when we when we all 513 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: went down to Louisiana, it was one of the guys 514 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: that met us at the bar um before that, long 515 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: before that, Um, I had talked to him and he 516 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: had started using a a rock climbing harness, And I 517 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: like the idea. I just don't like having straps and 518 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, all an abundance of stuff like on my 519 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: chest and shoulders, and um I never did really like that. 520 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: So I like the idea of just wearing something around 521 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: my waist. Um. So, he kind of had been doing 522 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: it for a year or two, and I think he 523 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: had some threads on archery talk and unning beasts and 524 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, and um so, uh, you know, 525 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: he did some testing, like some fall testing, like turning 526 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: upside down in the in the tree wearing one and um, 527 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: you know kind of the theory that rock climbers use it. Um, 528 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: you know, so they are safe. And I like the 529 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: fact that, you know, you still tell her to the 530 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: tree um like you would with your your regular you know, 531 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: tree stand harness, except it comes around um, you know, 532 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: your right side if you're if you're a right handed shooter, 533 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: comes around your right side and clips on to a 534 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: little ballet loop and then your your waist belt and 535 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: it's it's just right there. It's out of the way. UM. 536 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: I can have it really snug um so that there's 537 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: no like, if I were to fall, there would be 538 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: no um like there there would be actually no drop. 539 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: It would catch me right away. I'd literally just swing 540 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: to the side of the tree. Does that make sense, Yeah, yeah, 541 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So I've been using that for a lot 542 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: of years. When I sit in a tree stand, um, 543 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: I do use a uh like a tree saddle sling 544 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: um quite a bit of the time to um. But 545 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: but when I'm in a tree stand, I I use 546 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: my rock climbing harness. And actually most of my friends 547 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: have converted to that too. Yeah. I haven't gone that route, 548 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: but I'm I've always been really intrigued by it because, 549 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: like you said, less bulk, less straps, less stuff to 550 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: have on you. Um, that's that's gotta be nice. But 551 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: but I imagine you really got to know the right 552 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: way to set it up. You need to be doing 553 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: it the you know, in a particular fashion to make 554 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: sure it's safe. Right. This isn't something to just buy 555 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: rock harness and throw it on the tree and think 556 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: you're okay, you should probably do. I'm not gonna yeah, 557 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna recommend it to anyone. Um, it's it's 558 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: actually very simple. Um, I feel I feel more safe 559 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: in it, to be honest with you, because if in 560 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: the event that you do take a slip, um you 561 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: you know, you swing to the side of the tree 562 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: and you're facing the tree so you can climb right 563 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: back up. In fact, he demonstrated that in the video. 564 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: You know, it kind of fell off the stand and 565 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: you turn and you face the tree, where in a 566 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: traditional tree stand harness you might fall and you're facing 567 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: away from the tree, which kind of have to spin 568 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: yourself around. You know. I think they're both plenty safe, 569 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: but yeah, I I mean, I don't go as far 570 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: as to recommend it because I think you should do 571 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: your research and make your own decision. But I, for me, 572 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: I really like it and I feel completely safe in it. Yeah, 573 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned saddles too. I'm I've actually got a saddle 574 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: on the way. Finally I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try 575 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: hunting in a saddle this year, and uh see how 576 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: that goes. I'm excited to put that to the test. 577 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: Very cool. I have one thing that is preventing me 578 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: from trying a saddle, and and Andy Mark, you guys 579 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: both know that sometimes you are in some really thick 580 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: and nasty type terrain where you know, lots of vegetation, 581 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: and I just can't get over the fact that if 582 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I draw with my right hand, so 583 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: if I'm facing one direction and a deer comes from 584 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: my right hand side, I have to, like, I have 585 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: to move a lot in that tree or like or 586 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: let him pass if if I'm going to take that shot. 587 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: And that's something for some reason, I can't get over that. 588 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: How do you have that? Um, well, it's in that 589 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,959 Speaker 1: situation when a deer comes on your your kind of 590 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: your weak side, I guess, or you're off shooting side, 591 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, you can, Uh, you can't. You can actually, 592 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,959 Speaker 1: you know, depending on where it's at, you can actually 593 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: stay where you are and kind of twist um. You have. 594 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: What you have is something called the bridge and it's 595 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: a little um like a rope attachment that that hooks 596 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: to the tree to other and you can actually slide 597 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: and turn and make that right handed shot. Your other 598 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: option is to kind of, like you said, creates a 599 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: little more movement, is is swinging around the tree to 600 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: the left side to make that shot. I I love 601 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: hunting out of a saddle, um because you wear it 602 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: in like a pair of shorts, you know, basically UM. 603 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: But there I don't think it's the best thing for 604 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 1: every situation. That's just my opinion. UM. Like, if you're 605 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: in a you know there there's some there's some trees 606 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: I can think of that have maybe have a lot 607 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: of limbs sticking out um that you can't trim, you know, 608 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: um or maybe like a cedar tree or or pine 609 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: tree or something like that. I think those are better 610 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: suited for tree stands. UM. But you know, if they 611 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: if you have, um, a tree that you know maybe 612 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: kind of splits is maybe a single trunk tree or 613 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: a tree that splits up into two trunks and you 614 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of little limbs coming off left 615 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: and right. Um, that's kind of where they shine. And 616 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 1: in a lot of times you can find trees that work. Um, 617 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: you know, most of the time you can find trees 618 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: work in the saddle. I tend to get a little 619 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: higher up in the saddle. And what's cool about it 620 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: is you can you can put the tree you you 621 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: you try to put the tree in between where you 622 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: think the deer is going to come in yourself. So 623 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: you're kind of almost using it as a shield a blocker, 624 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: whereas a tree stand you'd be facing that direction or 625 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: or facing to the right so you could shoot it, 626 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, going off to your left hand side. That 627 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, so you're saying that, you, well, maybe 628 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: you need to sacrifice a little bit of cover so 629 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: that you're able to swing around the tree and stuff. 630 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: You can account for that by height and being on 631 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: the other side. Is that what you're kind of saying. Yeah. 632 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: And another thing about the saddle that I think is, 633 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: you know that kind of is a benefit to it. 634 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: The way that you hang off the tree, you are 635 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: shaped more like a limb. You come off at kind 636 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: of like a forty five degree angle. Especially if you're leaning, 637 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: you look you look more like a tree branch a limb, 638 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: as opposed to like in a tree stand, you look 639 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: like a giant ball sticking off the side of the tree. 640 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: Unless you're you know, if you see the deer coming, 641 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: you can stand up and kind of suck into the 642 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: trunk of the tree and kind of blend in a 643 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: little bit. That's that's a better situation. But they I've 644 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: never I've hunted out of him a lot, and I've 645 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: shot quite a few deer out of them, and I've 646 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: never had a situation where, um, I thought it hindered 647 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: me um as far as having to move too much, 648 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: and I've I've had to move. You you know, you 649 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: might have to pick your moments. But you know, if 650 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: you're if you're attentive, um, you know you should have 651 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: that opportunity where you you have to move. You can 652 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: do it really kind of slow and methodically, just like 653 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: you wouldn't tree stand where you stand and you turn, 654 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: you know, turn to make your shot. You're still moving, 655 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: So I would uh, I would say give it a 656 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: try and mark which one are you getting? So I 657 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: think I'm actually be trying to I think we're gonna 658 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: try the Kestral, and then I'm also trying this new company. 659 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: It's called Tethered. Um so I think I'm gonna be 660 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: trying to model of both and and seeing which one 661 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: I like best and see what works. Yeah. There, I 662 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: know a couple of the fellows that are we're involved 663 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: in developing the Mantis the tether from the Tethered company, 664 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: and uh they there's some good hunters and knowledgeable guys, 665 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: and I'm really looking forward to checking that one out myself, 666 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: to be honest. Yeah, you know, it's been I've been 667 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: intrigued with saddles for a long time, probably ever since 668 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: I started reading Eberhart's books. Um but but yeah, I 669 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: had some of the same concerns Dan had had concerns 670 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: about how do you film with that? Um but but 671 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 1: with all you know, like the public land or different 672 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: kind of mobile hunting that I'm doing these days, it 673 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: just seems so nice to not have to hauler stand 674 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: and with it, you you know, just have this this 675 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: thing you're wearing, walk in there, throw up some steps 676 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: and there you go. I mean, that's that's really peeling. 677 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: So Yeah, that was really nice down in the southern 678 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: Ohio and those big hills and you know, the big 679 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: woods setting with the kills and you're walking in you know, 680 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: there's a there's one one spot that I really like 681 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: that's a mile and three quarters in and it's it's 682 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: nice to wear settle and not bringing that whole a 683 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: lone wolf set up in five sticks. Yeah. So yeah, well, 684 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: I'll I'll be reporting back I guess later this fall 685 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: on how all that goes. But I'm excited. UM question 686 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: here from Derek. This is an email question, and and 687 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: this I'm kind of Me and Dan have talked about 688 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: this a little bit in the past. I'm particularly interested 689 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: in your opinion on this, Andy, Um. And then I've 690 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: got a little bit to add. But his question is this. 691 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: He says that over the last five years, I've missed 692 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: more nice bucks than I've killed. When I get to 693 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: full draw, I lose all mental control and can't seem 694 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: to make a good shot no matter how much practice 695 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: I do before season. I can put six arrows in 696 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: a pipe plate at sixty yards, all with a surprise 697 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: release when practicing, But then I've missed bucks cleanly at 698 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: less than thirty yards, so something needs to be done. 699 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: I've always consider are going to a back tension release 700 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: to help force me to aim and not have to 701 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: worry about punching the trigger. UM. People tell me all 702 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: the time though, that it won't work. But then I 703 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: listened to podcast one which is which end quote. That's 704 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: a podcast we did with Joel Turner talking about this 705 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: different kind of shot sequence that helps you deal with 706 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,479 Speaker 1: tire panic. Now back to his question, He then says, 707 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: and you mentioned how you know other hunters who say 708 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: they can get a back tension release to work well 709 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: and to go off whenever they want. UM, you might 710 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 1: not be able to answer this question, but if you can, 711 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: do you know of a certain release that these guys 712 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: are using, or is there back tension release that you've 713 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: shot that you believe you could hunt with. Um. He 714 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: then goes on to say that with the price of 715 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 1: back tension releases, I can't afford to buy a bunch 716 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: of buy a bunch of them and test them all out, 717 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: so any information would be appreciated. So so, Andy, you 718 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: helped me last summer deal with my target panic. UM, 719 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: and we we did a bunch of different things and 720 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: some of these things we talked about with Joel Turner 721 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: earlier this year, some things we didn't, Um, could you 722 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: could you just talk a little bit about what you 723 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,720 Speaker 1: and me did and then and then also maybe speak 724 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: to his specific question about whether or not at that 725 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: tension releases the right option and what models you might recommend. Sure, 726 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: I this question hits home because I can relate. Um, 727 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: I from the moment I started bow hunting, I was 728 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: naturally a really good shot. I my first year getting 729 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: a bow, I got an archery leagues and I started winning. UM. 730 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: So I was naturally a good archery shot, but I 731 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 1: was a trigger puncher. No one taught me how to shoot. 732 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: I had one of those releases that had a ton 733 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,399 Speaker 1: of travel in it, and you know, I just kind 734 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: of you know, hell I was. I was good at 735 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,720 Speaker 1: holding the pin on the target or close and making 736 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,439 Speaker 1: accurate shots. But come to find out, you know, as 737 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: my hunting career went on, I experienced a lot of 738 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: the same things that that this guy did. Um. You know, 739 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: I didn't miss a lot of deer, but I put 740 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: a lot of bad shots on der um shots that 741 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 1: you know, in practice, like he said, I could stack arrows, 742 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, You're shooting laser beams all sun all summer. 743 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: You feel great, and then big buck walks out in. 744 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,800 Speaker 1: You know you kind of you kind of come on glued. 745 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: You make a terrible shot, and you know, half the 746 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: time you don't even remember what happened. You know, I 747 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: wasn't really in control of my shot, but I didn't 748 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: have anybody to teach me. I thought what I was 749 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: doing is UH was the right thing. And you know, 750 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: they don't teach you that really at the archery shops. 751 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 1: You know, you go in, you get a bowl, they 752 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: set you up, they give you a trigger, you know, 753 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: index trigger at lease, and send you on your way. 754 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: So it usually UH for the majority of people, UM, 755 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: myself included. UM, if you end up shooting a lot 756 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: and hunting a lot, it ends up leading to some 757 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 1: form of target panic. UM. And I identified mine about 758 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: ten years ago. UM. And then and I did kind 759 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 1: of the research and found, you know, some people that 760 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: kind of went through those same situations. I listened to 761 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, John Dudley, and there's a couple of guys, 762 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: a couple of really good archers on archery talk that 763 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: that helped me out. And UH, I did the work 764 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: to beat target panic. And you know, it was the 765 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: best thing I've ever done, because ever did as far 766 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: as archery, because I loved archery. But I found it 767 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:32,240 Speaker 1: so frustrating. Um. You know that. I it's almost exacerbates 768 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,720 Speaker 1: itself when you you start feeling that flinch and that 769 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: that punching that I want. I gotta go now, I 770 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: gotta do it now when that pin hits the target. 771 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 1: So you practice more, You're like, oh God, I gotta 772 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: get past this. I gotta beat this. So you focus 773 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,720 Speaker 1: more and it it just makes it worse. You're actually 774 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: compounding the issue. So I went through the whole thing. 775 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 1: Uh So I totally understand UM. And I think he 776 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 1: mentioned a back tension release. What I think he's talking 777 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: about is what a lot of people refer to as 778 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: a back tensions as a hinge UM, A hinge release. 779 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: When you see a lot of the target guys shoot. 780 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: You can hunt with a hinge. I did so for 781 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: a year and I made three phenomenal shots on three 782 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: big bucks with it. UM, But it's not my first choice. 783 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: It's a great one to learn the unanticipated release, and 784 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: that's what you're trying to achieve. You're trying to achieve 785 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: an unanticipated release. So it's hard to explain. I think 786 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: I explained it to you, Mark because I knew, I 787 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: know you're more of a techy guy, So I tried 788 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: to explain it in a term you know or are, 789 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: in a way that I thought might make sense to you. 790 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: But like you, I told you, I said, you know, 791 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: imagine that you have this pre downloaded app in your 792 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: brain that whatever you look at, if you're staring at 793 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: the bull's eye, if you're staring at the lungs of 794 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: a deer, whatever you look at, your pin is going 795 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,359 Speaker 1: to constantly center itself over that spot. You don't have 796 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,359 Speaker 1: to do it manually, It'll automatically do that just by 797 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,479 Speaker 1: you looking at the spot. Okay, so your pinel move, 798 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: your pin floats, and but it will constantly keep re 799 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: centering itself, re centering itself over the spot that you're 800 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: staring at. So I had to get comfortable with my 801 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: pin float. Everybody has a pin flow. Levin Morgan has 802 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,760 Speaker 1: a pin float. John Dudley has a pin float. Everybody 803 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: has a pin flow. They just have less of a 804 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: pin float. Um. And then what you need to be 805 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: able to do is run your shot execution independent of that. 806 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 1: So what what a lot of guys fall into is 807 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,879 Speaker 1: they get these index releases. That one there's there's two 808 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: real common ones. Those really hair trigger those really light 809 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: ones that you like breathe on and they go off. 810 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,879 Speaker 1: Those are really bad, they'll cause target panic. And then 811 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,839 Speaker 1: the other really bad one is the one I think 812 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,760 Speaker 1: you had mark is one that you had to squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, 813 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: and it like had all of this travel and before 814 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,320 Speaker 1: it fired. And what what that does is your brain 815 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,879 Speaker 1: picks up on that movement and you start to anticipate 816 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: because you feel that you feel that trigger moving, you 817 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: start to your brain starts to know when it's going 818 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 1: to go off. So what you really need to what 819 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: I recommend to my friends is getting something with uh 820 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: like a trigger that breaks clean. Um like it can 821 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: be an index finger. UM. I use the thumb release. 822 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: I also have a hinge that I use, um you 823 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 1: know in the off season because I think it just 824 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 1: reinforces an unanticipated shot. But those triggers that are adjustable 825 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 1: but they break clean kind of like if you had 826 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,479 Speaker 1: a really high dollar rifle, you know, those triggers don't move. 827 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: You apply pressure and they don't move, You apply more pressure, 828 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: don't move, and then finally you get to the the 829 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,439 Speaker 1: the amount of pressure that it takes and it breaks clean. 830 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: And that's what you want. So the way I shoot 831 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: and how I beat it, I actually used a hinge, 832 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: but um, you know there's there's there's other ways. Um. 833 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: But basically you want to get a release like that 834 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: that has a an adjustable trigger. I like, especially when 835 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm training trying to beat target panic, I like to 836 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 1: set it heavy so that you can load up on 837 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: that trigger. There's no fear of it going off because 838 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,279 Speaker 1: it's heavy. You can wrap your finger around, get it 839 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: deep in that knuckle if if I'm talking about an 840 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,479 Speaker 1: index figure here. And then, like I said, you stare 841 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 1: at your spot. You stare at your bull's eye, you 842 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: stare at your deer's vitals, your three D target, whatever, 843 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: and let your pin float. You gotta get comfortable with 844 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 1: the pin float. The pin float is normal. That that's 845 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 1: not bad. The pin float is good. There's things you 846 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 1: can do to minimize your pin float, but you can't 847 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: let that freak you out. Just keep staring at the spot, 848 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: apply pressure, and then what I do is I squeeze 849 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 1: my back muscle. So I pulled through. I imagine like 850 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:13,240 Speaker 1: my release hand or my release arm elbow. I imagine 851 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 1: myself trying to pull straight back and touch it to 852 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,359 Speaker 1: like a door or a wall or something like two 853 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: inches behind it. There's obviously nothing there, but that's what 854 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: I imagine. I pull pull pull. I don't squeeze my 855 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 1: finger on my thumb. Release, I don't squeeze my thumb. 856 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,319 Speaker 1: They don't move. It's preloaded, and then I just pull 857 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,920 Speaker 1: pull pull applies pressure and it builds pressure until the 858 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: shot breaks. And its the first time you do it, 859 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: it's like, whoa. I remember seeing your face my first time. 860 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: You were like you kind of like your whole body 861 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 1: come bulsed. You know. It's like because yeah, because you 862 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 1: didn't have you you let go of that control. Um 863 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: so what But after you do it, you do it 864 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: over and over. And that's why people say, you know, 865 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: blind veiling as a really good drill. It is is 866 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: because you're getting used to that surprise release. You're just pulling, pulling, pulling. 867 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: The shot goes and all you were focusing on was 868 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: staring at the spot and pulling through. Um, it's it's 869 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: it's it's simple, but it takes time, especially for someone 870 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: that's gone through years and years and years of doing 871 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 1: it wrong, like I spent about I spent a good 872 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,360 Speaker 1: six to eight weeks. I had a bag target in 873 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,439 Speaker 1: my living room, and you know, I put my daughter 874 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: down for bed, and I would just hammer that thing 875 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,840 Speaker 1: and over and over and over. And I told myself 876 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: from the first day, I'm never gonna squeeze my thumb. 877 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna squeeze my index finger again. I'm gonna 878 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: hook it around, I'm gonna preload it and then it 879 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: won't move. The only movement is me squeezing my back muscles. 880 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,920 Speaker 1: It's pulling, pulling, pulling with my really sarm with my 881 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,920 Speaker 1: back muscles and building that pressure until the shot breaks. 882 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 1: So it's it's, uh, that's how I did it. You 883 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: can still do it by squeezing the trigger, but I 884 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: think guys run into it. I think target panic. It's 885 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 1: a little easier to to creep back in when you 886 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,360 Speaker 1: still do that like finger squeeze, like a slow, steady squeeze. 887 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,360 Speaker 1: Some guys can do it. I have a buddy that 888 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,439 Speaker 1: I shot with at the Total Archery Challenge, and he's 889 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:30,359 Speaker 1: a stud archer. And that's how he shoots. But if 890 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,840 Speaker 1: you watch my my video on the Total Archery Challenge, 891 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: you'll see a couple of my buddies and these guys 892 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 1: they shoot pretty good, but there's a couple in there 893 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 1: that they punched the trigger and you can see like 894 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: there's no follow through on the on the back end. 895 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's like a tense punch and 896 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: they were shooting good, but they if they shot more often, 897 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 1: they would run into those issues, um, you know, of 898 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 1: anticipating the shot and what you can What what I 899 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,000 Speaker 1: found too is like on shots on deer. You know 900 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,880 Speaker 1: when I when I was punching the trigger, the those 901 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: target panic issues really come out in high pressure situations. 902 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: So you get this big buck step in front of you, 903 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: you draw back, you set that pin and as soon 904 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,239 Speaker 1: usually as soon as it hits brown, you're touching it 905 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,000 Speaker 1: off because you want to you want to hit that 906 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,640 Speaker 1: spot so bad. This is your one chance. You know, 907 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 1: it all rives on this and you've got you kind 908 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 1: of lose everything that you tried to focus on all summer, 909 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, just slowly squeezing the trigger. But now with 910 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: this new way of shooting, which is unanticipated. It's a 911 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,600 Speaker 1: very calm and relaxed way of shooting, like I was 912 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 1: shooting at those targets, those little tiny targets at the 913 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,319 Speaker 1: total archery challenge, you know, at a hundred plus yards, 914 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,399 Speaker 1: with no anxiety whatsoever, because all I need to do 915 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,560 Speaker 1: is just stare at the spot, execute my shot, and 916 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,279 Speaker 1: the arrow is going to go there. So when that 917 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 1: deer comes out and it's a high pressure situation, I 918 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: stare at the spot on the deer where I want 919 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: to hit. I put my pin on it, I loaded 920 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,879 Speaker 1: my trigger. I let the pin float. You know, it's 921 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 1: it's floating, it's floating, and as I'm just slowly building pressure. 922 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,600 Speaker 1: So that's how I do it. It's uh, It's worked 923 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: very well for me. I've helped a lot of my 924 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 1: friends kind of work through some things. Um and I 925 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,919 Speaker 1: had it bad. I have a hole in my hole 926 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,400 Speaker 1: in my garage window at the very first house I 927 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 1: because I sent a narrow through their my head target 928 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,919 Speaker 1: panics so bad. This is a true story. I drew back, 929 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 1: I could I got I had it so bad. At 930 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: one point I couldn't draw my bullback without hammering the 931 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:47,680 Speaker 1: trigger target or not. So yeah, and I've heard stories, 932 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 1: and yeah, I I became that guy and I drew back. 933 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,400 Speaker 1: I put the pin on the window and I said, okay, 934 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to pull the trigger, and I sent 935 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,960 Speaker 1: one through the window and oh boy, you know it 936 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,839 Speaker 1: was that was like that's like as bad as target pay. 937 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,880 Speaker 1: It gets right there and I was there. So, UM, 938 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: I would I would suggest Sorry, that was a long story, 939 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,239 Speaker 1: but I would suggest that guy getting um if he 940 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,600 Speaker 1: wants to stick with a trigger release. Carter makes some 941 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,880 Speaker 1: really good uh triggers that break clean. They're adjustable. You 942 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,640 Speaker 1: can set them heavy for training, you can lighten them 943 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,319 Speaker 1: up up a little for hunting. Once you ingrain that 944 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,279 Speaker 1: ingrain that shot sequenced in. Um, there's some other ones. 945 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,360 Speaker 1: I gave you, uh my old trigger release that's a 946 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,800 Speaker 1: good one, true ball beast, um, you know. But I 947 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,319 Speaker 1: would stick with something that has an adjustable trigger that 948 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,919 Speaker 1: breaks clean. And you gotta just put in the work. 949 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,160 Speaker 1: There's lots of videos and John Budley has some good 950 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,960 Speaker 1: ones on YouTube of some drills and stuff, but um, 951 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,000 Speaker 1: you gotta put in the work. You gotta you gotta 952 00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,319 Speaker 1: develop that new way of shooting. And that's really the 953 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,480 Speaker 1: only way to beat target panic. You have to let 954 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 1: go of control of you can trying to control that pin, 955 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,359 Speaker 1: let it float, run your shot, exec executions separately. Yeah, 956 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 1: I can. I can say that from from your the 957 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,960 Speaker 1: things we worked on together last summer, I could just 958 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: see that helping me so much already. UM, and so 959 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,200 Speaker 1: so everything you said right there, I was putting into 960 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,120 Speaker 1: practice last summer, all the way through last hunting season 961 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,719 Speaker 1: and now this year too. And while I haven't actually 962 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,600 Speaker 1: shot at a deer yet with it, so I can't. 963 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,800 Speaker 1: I can. I can't point to an in the field 964 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,880 Speaker 1: experience yet. Um, because of just the way my season 965 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,719 Speaker 1: went last year. UM, I can definitely say that I 966 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 1: feel more comfortable. I don't have the target panic moments 967 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 1: that I used to have just when shooting, you know, 968 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,320 Speaker 1: behind the house and stuff. I remember that I described 969 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,319 Speaker 1: to you that sometimes when I draw back and I 970 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,359 Speaker 1: put the pin on, and and one thing I did 971 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:55,880 Speaker 1: a lot what you just said is I want I 972 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,400 Speaker 1: would want to pull the trigger as soon as it 973 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,960 Speaker 1: hit the bull's eye. Um. Or sometimes I would get 974 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,880 Speaker 1: this like impulse to shoot, but I'd stop myself. So 975 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,359 Speaker 1: I'd like should have this like clinch up moment where 976 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,279 Speaker 1: my trigger, like my brain sent a firing wave that 977 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,239 Speaker 1: said shoot and then I stopped, but I still had 978 00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,799 Speaker 1: this like jerk. Um. So nothing like that happens at 979 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,520 Speaker 1: all now, and um even a stupid example. But when 980 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,600 Speaker 1: I went to go get my most recent bow set 981 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,520 Speaker 1: up um with with a guy. We went and got 982 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,799 Speaker 1: arrow set up and got the new bow all all 983 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,360 Speaker 1: set up and adjusted. We went out behind the shop 984 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,120 Speaker 1: to do some long range shooting with it. And in 985 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,719 Speaker 1: the past I probably would have I would have had 986 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,160 Speaker 1: some nerves around, you know, shooting at fifty or sixty 987 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 1: yards in front of this guy who's definitely better archer 988 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: than me, and especially you know, I was using this 989 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,759 Speaker 1: whole new shooting process now, so I was like, oh God, 990 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,160 Speaker 1: am I gonna be able to you know, I don't 991 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,239 Speaker 1: even practicing it it closer ranges up to that point, um, 992 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,759 Speaker 1: because you know you and may have been working on 993 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,440 Speaker 1: just kind of easy my way into it. So I 994 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 1: hadn't been shooting out to sixty yards with this new way, 995 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 1: but we're checking the bow and he was like, all right, 996 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,799 Speaker 1: let's try out here at sixties. So I'm like, all right, 997 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: here we go. And and in my previous life, I 998 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: totally would have punched one off and just had a flyer. 999 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,080 Speaker 1: And I did this, and I just stuck to kind 1000 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,480 Speaker 1: of my mantra, just you know, follow that process like 1001 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,640 Speaker 1: you said, and let it float and then just slowly 1002 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 1: went through and pulled. And I didn't have anything like 1003 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,359 Speaker 1: that in Miraculously, I was bulls in it like like 1004 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: a like a pro normally, not what I would have 1005 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,200 Speaker 1: done in that situation in the past. So that small 1006 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,799 Speaker 1: example of a higher pressure situation, I could see it 1007 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,640 Speaker 1: already paying off. And it's only it's only gotten better 1008 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,239 Speaker 1: since then. So I'm excited to put that into play 1009 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,920 Speaker 1: for sure. I feel I feel uh, I feel compelled 1010 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,040 Speaker 1: to answer the guy's question on a on a release type. 1011 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,040 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna throw a couple. If he's gonna 1012 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:49,400 Speaker 1: stick with index finger, get yourself a Carter Quickie or 1013 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,960 Speaker 1: a Carter like Mike. Those are two good ones that 1014 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:58,600 Speaker 1: have adjustable triggers. There's no travel you can you can, 1015 00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:04,320 Speaker 1: you know, confidently, hook your finger around that trigger and 1016 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,320 Speaker 1: loaded up and let your pin float on the target 1017 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,000 Speaker 1: and pull through. And if you have any uh questions, 1018 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:17,080 Speaker 1: called Forest. He's the owner and he helps helps you out. 1019 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,359 Speaker 1: He helped me out um when I was going through it. 1020 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,640 Speaker 1: And then there's there's three drills that will kind of 1021 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: if you can, if you're willing to put in the 1022 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 1: work and you're willing to commit to it. There's three 1023 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,040 Speaker 1: drills that I really like. And I don't have target 1024 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,399 Speaker 1: pantic issues anymore at all, but I still do these 1025 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: three drills all the time. And one is you just 1026 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:41,640 Speaker 1: draw back and just a you load your trigger up 1027 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,840 Speaker 1: with your finger, your thumb or your index finger, whatever 1028 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,400 Speaker 1: kind of release you're shooting, put the pin on the 1029 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,719 Speaker 1: target and you let it float and just let it 1030 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,400 Speaker 1: float and you're you're in control of the shot. You 1031 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,800 Speaker 1: don't have to touch that off. You are in control. 1032 00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:01,799 Speaker 1: Let the pin float for seconds. Tell whenever you you 1033 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,640 Speaker 1: know your shot deteriorates, let down, take a breathe there 1034 00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 1: for thirty seconds. Do that again, and do that times, 1035 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,880 Speaker 1: and do that for a couple of weeks. You know, 1036 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,680 Speaker 1: that's a really really good drill of just getting used 1037 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 1: to your pin float. And then the other one that 1038 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,360 Speaker 1: you know you hear a lot is blind bailing. I 1039 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,479 Speaker 1: like this one because it ingrains, especially if you're gonna 1040 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 1: go to more of like a back tension. People say 1041 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,760 Speaker 1: back tension release, they're talking about a hinge, but back 1042 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,600 Speaker 1: tension is more of a method. You can shoot back 1043 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,640 Speaker 1: tension with an index trigger, you can shoot back tension 1044 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,680 Speaker 1: with thumb trigger. You can shoot back tension with a 1045 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,440 Speaker 1: hinge um. So that's the what I was describing earlier. 1046 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,280 Speaker 1: The pulling motion, the pull through motions, so blind bailing 1047 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,360 Speaker 1: you get. You can take your site off your bow. 1048 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,280 Speaker 1: That's probably the best, or you can close your eyes. 1049 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,080 Speaker 1: Either one doesn't really matter, but you get a point 1050 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,920 Speaker 1: blank range drawback and you just don't aim at anything. 1051 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,800 Speaker 1: Just take your site off or whatever, so you're not 1052 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,160 Speaker 1: looking at anything, and what you're focusing on is the 1053 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:11,600 Speaker 1: pull through. And remember your thumb. If it's a thumb trigger, 1054 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,680 Speaker 1: your index. If it's an index, figure cannot move. You 1055 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,920 Speaker 1: load up that trigger and then it doesn't move again. 1056 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:23,080 Speaker 1: That's it, and you pull with your back muscles. Imagine 1057 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,400 Speaker 1: pulling your elbow straight back and touching it to a 1058 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,560 Speaker 1: wall or or something behind you, and you just pull, 1059 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,920 Speaker 1: build that pressure and you slowly increase of building pressure 1060 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,280 Speaker 1: until that shot breaks. And you do that hundreds and 1061 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,480 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of times until that surprise isn't a 1062 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,840 Speaker 1: surprise anymore. It's just it's still a surprise, but it 1063 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,200 Speaker 1: doesn't freak you out. You're used to it. It's it's 1064 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,680 Speaker 1: just normal. Now. That's that's a really good one. And uh, 1065 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,840 Speaker 1: what's the other one? Um? Oh, the other one I 1066 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,200 Speaker 1: like to do, and I would suggest doing this one 1067 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,400 Speaker 1: after you. Uh you know, I do the other two. 1068 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,000 Speaker 1: First those are kind of the bread and butter, and 1069 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 1: then the last one is I like to, uh set 1070 00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,120 Speaker 1: a target out there, have my sight on everything. I 1071 00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,760 Speaker 1: pull back, let my pin flow, load up my trigger, 1072 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,080 Speaker 1: and then I start my shot execution. But I try 1073 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 1: to do it really slow. I think John Dudley recommended 1074 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,000 Speaker 1: this one and I started doing it. I really liked it. 1075 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,760 Speaker 1: But try to take as long as you can. Try 1076 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,960 Speaker 1: to do the slowest back tension that you can. So 1077 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,360 Speaker 1: what's happening is your pin is floating. You're slowly executing 1078 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,680 Speaker 1: the shot. You're letting it happen. You're just letting your 1079 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,920 Speaker 1: pin float. Try to let it take ten seconds and 1080 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,720 Speaker 1: it won't, but try to let it take tense. I 1081 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:42,000 Speaker 1: just slow, slow, gradual increase and pull until that shot breaks. 1082 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,920 Speaker 1: Try to slow the process down so that you get 1083 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,600 Speaker 1: to the point or that's not freaking you out anymore, 1084 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,960 Speaker 1: that's just normal. That's you and control the shot. You 1085 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,840 Speaker 1: can run that shot execution fast. On a quick shot 1086 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,000 Speaker 1: on an animal, you just pull quicker, you pull through 1087 00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,080 Speaker 1: a little quicker. You can run it slow if you 1088 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,000 Speaker 1: you know, if if you're doing this drill. But typically 1089 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,680 Speaker 1: you want to keep your timing, you know, fairly consistent, 1090 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,840 Speaker 1: like you know in a hunting situation. But these are 1091 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,520 Speaker 1: those are great drills to kind of just get used 1092 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,160 Speaker 1: to that unanticipated release and that that that's the way 1093 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:20,040 Speaker 1: I was able to beat target panic. Yeah, those are 1094 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:28,880 Speaker 1: those are helpful for me for sure. Damn you. Um, 1095 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to talk about this 1096 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,240 Speaker 1: or not, but I saw you post something on social 1097 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,000 Speaker 1: media and I haven't got to ask you about it yet. 1098 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,240 Speaker 1: You had a little bit of a bow mishap that 1099 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,840 Speaker 1: I that I can't not have us talk about real quick. 1100 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,360 Speaker 1: What happened, man, dude, I straight up, straight up dry 1101 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:50,640 Speaker 1: fired my bow. Did this happen? So? I was I 1102 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:55,400 Speaker 1: was shooting some arrows at a at an archery shop, 1103 01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,680 Speaker 1: and he went back and he um put in a 1104 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,200 Speaker 1: d loop. He put in a peep site and he 1105 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,640 Speaker 1: um made some adjustments to the bow. Um, I shot 1106 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,800 Speaker 1: one arrow out of it. And I have a routine 1107 01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,760 Speaker 1: right where I always kind of touched the peep and 1108 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:20,000 Speaker 1: then I draw back, I anchor um and then I 1109 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, pull the trigger or whatever, and so the 1110 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:31,680 Speaker 1: because the peep site wasn't served in yet, I I 1111 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,440 Speaker 1: drew all, I adjusted the peep sites, I drew back, 1112 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,040 Speaker 1: I anchored my you know, my kisser button. I looked 1113 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,640 Speaker 1: through to make sure it was all right, and just 1114 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,600 Speaker 1: subconsciously followed through with that shot sequence without an arrow 1115 01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:54,840 Speaker 1: in it. And yeah, once snapped cam broke and so 1116 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,000 Speaker 1: I got replacement parts coming, uh and I need to 1117 01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,760 Speaker 1: get back to the archery shop of them fix it. 1118 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,600 Speaker 1: And uh So it was just one of those dumbass 1119 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:09,720 Speaker 1: moments that Um, I you know, first time ever in 1120 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:14,200 Speaker 1: twenty some years of shooting archery, I've ever dry fire 1121 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,720 Speaker 1: to bow or anything like that. And it's embarrassing. But 1122 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,640 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, that's gotta be nice being in 1123 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,360 Speaker 1: the pro shop and being that guy. You know, you're 1124 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,320 Speaker 1: the guy with that podcast network. And here's the funny 1125 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,560 Speaker 1: party is he goes this happens all the time. People 1126 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:37,480 Speaker 1: dry fire bows all the time, and um, even just 1127 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,120 Speaker 1: people reaching out to me after I made it, made 1128 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,240 Speaker 1: it public that I did this, people are like, hey, man, 1129 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,480 Speaker 1: don't beat yourself up on it. Um, I did it 1130 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,280 Speaker 1: last year, or I did it two years ago, or man, 1131 01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:54,040 Speaker 1: I did it yesterday or whatever. So um made me 1132 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,280 Speaker 1: feel a little bit better. But still it just kind 1133 01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 1: of it just kind of. I think people take archery 1134 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:05,800 Speaker 1: equipment for granted because it's a bow, but the amount 1135 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:10,760 Speaker 1: of energy and power that those things can generate is ridiculous. 1136 01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,440 Speaker 1: And I have a big scar or a big cut 1137 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,880 Speaker 1: basically it's a welt across the top of my hand 1138 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,920 Speaker 1: to prove it. So, oh, man, that was a brand 1139 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:26,200 Speaker 1: new prime to right, Yeah, brand new, probably fifth arrow 1140 01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,720 Speaker 1: ever shot out of it. That's man brutal. Well, Well, 1141 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,439 Speaker 1: hopefully folks will hear your story and that will help 1142 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,240 Speaker 1: them all be just a tiny bit more aware of 1143 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,360 Speaker 1: not making the same subconscious mistake. Absolutely. Yeah, Okay, so 1144 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,480 Speaker 1: switching gears completely here. Um, we got a question here 1145 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:49,080 Speaker 1: from Scotty, and Scotty has two questions, so both of 1146 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,880 Speaker 1: these could take us in in long winding paths. So 1147 01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,480 Speaker 1: I don't know where this is gonna take us. But 1148 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,640 Speaker 1: question number one, do your chord sightings or deer activity 1149 01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,040 Speaker 1: in any kind of hunting journal. I have attempt it 1150 01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,400 Speaker 1: a few apps, but most aren't useful when trying to 1151 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,720 Speaker 1: pattern deer movements stands based on wind or weather. Blah 1152 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,600 Speaker 1: blah blah um. Excellent spreadsheets are pain because of manually 1153 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,280 Speaker 1: having to enter weather. But I'm looking for any kind 1154 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,800 Speaker 1: of other recommendations or templates. Um, I'll say really quick, 1155 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,680 Speaker 1: what I do. I have not done a good job 1156 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,000 Speaker 1: in past years. I've tried to do a hunting journal 1157 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,080 Speaker 1: where every hunt or every day I record a few 1158 01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,280 Speaker 1: basic things like what stand I was in, what was 1159 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,000 Speaker 1: the wind direction, A handful of other factors like that, 1160 01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,240 Speaker 1: and then what deer I saw and some information on 1161 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,720 Speaker 1: those lines. I've done that for portions of seasons, but 1162 01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,320 Speaker 1: but never done a great job of following through. What 1163 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,919 Speaker 1: I have done, though, is done a really thorough job 1164 01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,160 Speaker 1: when I'm targeting a specific buck, so you know, like 1165 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,360 Speaker 1: with holy Field, now that I'm so focused on him, 1166 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,760 Speaker 1: I have went and created a spreadsheet documenting every daylight 1167 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,680 Speaker 1: sighting or trail camera photo and then all that data, 1168 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,880 Speaker 1: so all the weather data, all the other information around 1169 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,920 Speaker 1: where he came from, where he was going, what time, 1170 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:04,720 Speaker 1: what was the wind speed, what was the wind direction, 1171 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,880 Speaker 1: what was the bare mentri pressure, what was the temperature? 1172 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,120 Speaker 1: Was it a cold front or not? A whole bunch 1173 01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:10,920 Speaker 1: of stuff like that. So I've been able to do that, 1174 01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,120 Speaker 1: and it's not too difficult to do that if it's 1175 01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,320 Speaker 1: like one dear year after or or maybe even just 1176 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,360 Speaker 1: like mature buck settings. Um. But it would be hard 1177 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,160 Speaker 1: to do that every single day all the time. But 1178 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,880 Speaker 1: I know people to do I wish I would do that, 1179 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,280 Speaker 1: but I just haven't. Um, Dandy you you know, I 1180 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,160 Speaker 1: haven't heard you talk too much about any kind of document, 1181 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,080 Speaker 1: But have you started doing anything like that or thought 1182 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:36,120 Speaker 1: about doing something like that? Well? You you know this 1183 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:40,560 Speaker 1: app mark I use dear lab for for trail cameras though, right, 1184 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,360 Speaker 1: But at the same time, that's how I'm basing all 1185 01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:50,360 Speaker 1: majority of my decision making, right. Yes, I can, um like, 1186 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,520 Speaker 1: I will have my trail cameras in these pinch points, 1187 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:58,160 Speaker 1: travel corridors, field edges, scrapes, whatever, and collect that data. 1188 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:06,360 Speaker 1: But it's hard to use this year's data two kind 1189 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,400 Speaker 1: of calculate where a deer is going to be, you know, 1190 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,120 Speaker 1: unless you're in the stand, right, So if you're in 1191 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,720 Speaker 1: the stand and you see a buck, that's easy. You 1192 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,840 Speaker 1: can make that move right then and there. However, all 1193 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,400 Speaker 1: the all the trail camera pictures that I'm using previously 1194 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,720 Speaker 1: through previous seasons, I can use that data to help 1195 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:32,400 Speaker 1: me forecast deer movement for the next year. So it's like, Okay, 1196 01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:36,720 Speaker 1: well I have a northwest wind and I have it 1197 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:41,760 Speaker 1: on this day or this moon phase or this barre 1198 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:47,120 Speaker 1: metric pressure or whatever. Then I can say, well, I can, 1199 01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, do my sort. You know that you can. 1200 01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:53,440 Speaker 1: You're able to sort all that data and you can say, well, 1201 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,760 Speaker 1: this tree stand or this trail camera location, which is 1202 01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,680 Speaker 1: pretty much represents uh for me the way I use it, 1203 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,200 Speaker 1: represents a tree stand location. You you are able to 1204 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,200 Speaker 1: forecast your movement and look for the best possible tree 1205 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,720 Speaker 1: stand location for those conditions. Yeah, yeah, I love that 1206 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,800 Speaker 1: app for the trail camera thing. I wish you could. 1207 01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,520 Speaker 1: I wish you could just add like the actual sighting 1208 01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,680 Speaker 1: in there too. And you I know, actually some guys 1209 01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,200 Speaker 1: have emailed me and said that they just kind of 1210 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,960 Speaker 1: fudget like they'll upload a trail camera photo that's actually 1211 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,120 Speaker 1: not of a buck. But they'll just like title it 1212 01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:30,440 Speaker 1: or something like sighting on this date and then manually 1213 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,760 Speaker 1: adjust the time and date and everything to make sure 1214 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,360 Speaker 1: it's the right thing, and then it pulls in the 1215 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,480 Speaker 1: proper weather and everything. Um. But but yeah, that's a 1216 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:43,160 Speaker 1: that's a great tool. It I wish it was both 1217 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,040 Speaker 1: because it would be almost a perfect option. Umr Andy, 1218 01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:53,320 Speaker 1: what do you do? UM? I I have a log 1219 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,439 Speaker 1: back from the very first year I ever hunted, which 1220 01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:00,320 Speaker 1: was UM, so I keep like a like a little 1221 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: journal basically, but um, you know I started with am 1222 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:08,920 Speaker 1: hunt RPM hunt all the hunt where at? Um? Then 1223 01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:13,600 Speaker 1: I do you know, like the wind, direction, temperature, precipitation, 1224 01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,840 Speaker 1: moon phase, that sort of thing. One thing I really 1225 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,479 Speaker 1: regret that not keeping track of was the Barabetrick pressure, 1226 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,280 Speaker 1: especially after listening to Mark Jurry. I was like, gosh, darn, 1227 01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, I kept everything except that one thing that 1228 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,360 Speaker 1: he thinks is probably the most influential. So um but 1229 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,960 Speaker 1: like cloud cover all that, and then obviously you know 1230 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,400 Speaker 1: what I saw the deer activity. If I do see 1231 01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:43,880 Speaker 1: um mature deer, I kinda I'll mention how he was moving, 1232 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,360 Speaker 1: what he was doing, was he using the wind, was 1233 01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,160 Speaker 1: his wind to the back, you know, also trying to 1234 01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,519 Speaker 1: build you know, basically trying to build trends, um, and 1235 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:57,480 Speaker 1: that's really helped me. Uh, you know, zero in on areas. 1236 01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,360 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of guys like asked me because 1237 01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,200 Speaker 1: I I don't get to hunt a lot, but you 1238 01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,360 Speaker 1: guys will ask like, you know, you seem like you 1239 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,120 Speaker 1: don't hunt very much, but you're efficient. And I think 1240 01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:12,800 Speaker 1: that's part of what really has helped me is that, um, 1241 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,439 Speaker 1: you know the different areas I do hunt because I 1242 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,080 Speaker 1: have logs, I can go back and see like, Okay, 1243 01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:24,120 Speaker 1: you know this area tends to hold you know, dear, 1244 01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,240 Speaker 1: if you know three and a half years or older, 1245 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,080 Speaker 1: you know early in the season, you know, I've I've 1246 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,000 Speaker 1: I've noticed that now after hunting their six seven years, 1247 01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:36,400 Speaker 1: Like all my sightings have been before October ten. So 1248 01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,320 Speaker 1: now I know that, you know, even though I have hunted, 1249 01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,920 Speaker 1: they're on and off, you know, throughout the whole season. 1250 01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,519 Speaker 1: Now I have that area where I can focus on 1251 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,640 Speaker 1: those dates and to maximize my time there because I 1252 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,639 Speaker 1: there's a spot in the northern Ohio that the first 1253 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,559 Speaker 1: week of the season is the only time frame I've 1254 01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,120 Speaker 1: seen a mature deer and it's been that way for 1255 01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,800 Speaker 1: ten years. I've never seen one pass. I think October twelve, Um, 1256 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,800 Speaker 1: the crops come out and they just they just kind 1257 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,040 Speaker 1: of leave. It's a low deer density area. So my 1258 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,840 Speaker 1: point is I'm able to to hunt that, you know, 1259 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,679 Speaker 1: during that first week, but then I have also other 1260 01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,479 Speaker 1: areas that seem to trend more in mid October. So 1261 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,240 Speaker 1: then I can you know, jump to these areas that 1262 01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,599 Speaker 1: seemed to heat up more during that time. And then 1263 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,200 Speaker 1: obviously your rout spots, um, you know, you're late season spots. 1264 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,400 Speaker 1: So you know, it's basically I'm looking for trends of 1265 01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,200 Speaker 1: when I see mature deer activity. But every once in 1266 01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,160 Speaker 1: a while. It doesn't happen often, but every once in 1267 01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,160 Speaker 1: a while in Michigan, you can, you know, you can 1268 01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,840 Speaker 1: develop those trends on an individual buck. Um that happened 1269 01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,479 Speaker 1: with my buck last year, um, you know, and then 1270 01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,360 Speaker 1: that really helps you kind of zero in on his 1271 01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:50,840 Speaker 1: tendanc seas. Yeah, it's it definitely think I definitely think 1272 01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:55,960 Speaker 1: that recording as much dad as you can will help 1273 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,280 Speaker 1: most people like I, I need to do a better job. 1274 01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,320 Speaker 1: I'd like to be keeping a journal like you are 1275 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,439 Speaker 1: um or at least doing something like the trail camera 1276 01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,960 Speaker 1: tool like deer lab is that Dan's doing. I think 1277 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,719 Speaker 1: all this stuff helps you wrap your head around everything 1278 01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,639 Speaker 1: that's going on. And I know there are a handful 1279 01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,040 Speaker 1: of different apps for your phone where you can record 1280 01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,000 Speaker 1: sightings and record different things, and I haven't found one 1281 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,360 Speaker 1: that's terribly like easy to use and gets the information 1282 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,040 Speaker 1: that I want in there, Like I haven't. I have 1283 01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,120 Speaker 1: not found the perfect solution yet. I've looked at them 1284 01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,920 Speaker 1: all and there's good things about some, and there's some 1285 01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,920 Speaker 1: things I wish they change. I still haven't found the 1286 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,040 Speaker 1: one that I want to actually use. It's more effective 1287 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,960 Speaker 1: than a than a journal or a spreadsheet or something 1288 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,280 Speaker 1: like deer lab for trail cameras, So it's a It's 1289 01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:42,519 Speaker 1: important stuff though. Um So Scotty's a second question is 1290 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,320 Speaker 1: about you know he he's asking for He asked for 1291 01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,240 Speaker 1: a video, but we'll we'll give him a chat. Um. 1292 01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,679 Speaker 1: Could you explain your utilization of the wind when you hunt. 1293 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,720 Speaker 1: I get confused when talking about enter entering, exit strategies 1294 01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,360 Speaker 1: and hunting wind conditions. If we want to be downwind 1295 01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,880 Speaker 1: of a destination, should and the deer want to be 1296 01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:06,360 Speaker 1: downwind that's confusing. Um, So this is something that yeah, 1297 01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,920 Speaker 1: we talked about a lot. How do you balance how 1298 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,080 Speaker 1: do you balance your being safe with the wind but 1299 01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,800 Speaker 1: also thinking about how dear are using the wind? And UM, 1300 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,800 Speaker 1: I know Dan, you and me, I feel like our 1301 01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,760 Speaker 1: own perspectives on this have kind of evolved over the 1302 01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,880 Speaker 1: whole course of the podcast to um for sure, So 1303 01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,680 Speaker 1: do you want to tackle any portion of this to 1304 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,880 Speaker 1: start in? So it sounds to me like he's relatively 1305 01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:35,040 Speaker 1: new to hunting or starting to get into the details 1306 01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:38,960 Speaker 1: of hunting the wind. And so what I will say 1307 01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:44,160 Speaker 1: is to think, like, think of it as ninety degree angles. Right, 1308 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,840 Speaker 1: if a deer is gonna you know, walk north and 1309 01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,040 Speaker 1: south and there's a west wind, you want to be 1310 01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:54,679 Speaker 1: on the east side of that trail, so your scent 1311 01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,639 Speaker 1: is not going to be you know, blowing their direction 1312 01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,439 Speaker 1: at all. So you know, if the deer hanging out 1313 01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,559 Speaker 1: in the on the west quadrants, so to speak, you 1314 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,680 Speaker 1: need to be on the east quadrant, Or if the 1315 01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,120 Speaker 1: deer on the south and the wind is coming from 1316 01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,599 Speaker 1: the south, you need to be on the north quadrant. 1317 01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,880 Speaker 1: So it's just it's just a matter of basically having 1318 01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:19,640 Speaker 1: the wind blow into your face while you're walking to 1319 01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,240 Speaker 1: your tree stand in hopes that the deer are going 1320 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,960 Speaker 1: to be in front of you. You know, they're going 1321 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,640 Speaker 1: to be between you and where the wind is blowing from, 1322 01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,800 Speaker 1: so you know, and then as time progresses and you 1323 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:35,920 Speaker 1: become more comfortable with hunting, the wind and this is 1324 01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,240 Speaker 1: where I'm at now in my life is getting really 1325 01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:43,519 Speaker 1: aggressive with wind directions to where if the wind shifts 1326 01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:47,519 Speaker 1: a little bit either direction, you're probably gonna be get 1327 01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,160 Speaker 1: busted by where you think the deer are coming from. 1328 01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:54,080 Speaker 1: But just just remember that you don't want the wind 1329 01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,200 Speaker 1: to blow where you feel the deer are going to be. 1330 01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,879 Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty simple, the most similist, simplest aspect 1331 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,360 Speaker 1: of it. And especially if you're just starting deer hunting 1332 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,280 Speaker 1: and you're and you're not trying to kill a mature buck, 1333 01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,439 Speaker 1: if you're more focused on, you know, whatever deer you see, 1334 01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,400 Speaker 1: a dough or young bucks or whatever it might be. 1335 01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:16,920 Speaker 1: In those cases, I think it's smart to go completely 1336 01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,519 Speaker 1: safe and just make sure that your wind so you know, 1337 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,679 Speaker 1: like you explained, Dan, your scent is blowing a direction 1338 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,400 Speaker 1: opposite of where you think the deer are going to be. 1339 01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:31,040 Speaker 1: Now where this gets um a little more interesting though, 1340 01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:32,760 Speaker 1: and I'll let Andy, I'll let you dive into this 1341 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,719 Speaker 1: a little bit more. But when you start targeting mature bucks, 1342 01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,200 Speaker 1: then you want to start considering how mature bucks are 1343 01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,920 Speaker 1: using the wind, because they in many cases are using 1344 01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,840 Speaker 1: their noses, which is their number one defense mechanism. They're 1345 01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,880 Speaker 1: using their noses to make decisions about where they're headed 1346 01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,120 Speaker 1: and to check, you know, to see if it's secure. 1347 01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:54,360 Speaker 1: So in many cases they are walking towards something a 1348 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:58,160 Speaker 1: food source or a betting area with the wind somehow 1349 01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,439 Speaker 1: in their face or quartering to them that they can 1350 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,920 Speaker 1: check an area as they walk through. So then you 1351 01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,920 Speaker 1: gotta start thinking about that. If I want to hunt 1352 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,120 Speaker 1: this place, how do I think a buck is going 1353 01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:10,960 Speaker 1: to use the wind to approach it? And that's going 1354 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,360 Speaker 1: to help you determine where to be sitting. But at 1355 01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,120 Speaker 1: the same time, you need to take that information as 1356 01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:19,439 Speaker 1: a data point, but then also be set up so 1357 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,920 Speaker 1: that if he's coming in with the wind somewhat in 1358 01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,800 Speaker 1: his favor, so you can still manage to have your 1359 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,360 Speaker 1: wind avoid him. But usually to get those two things 1360 01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,599 Speaker 1: happen at the same time, it's going to be by 1361 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,719 Speaker 1: a narrow margin, like the wind is gonna be blowing 1362 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,519 Speaker 1: by a narrow margin off of wherever he's coming from. 1363 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,439 Speaker 1: So this takes a level of understanding of your area. Um, 1364 01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,599 Speaker 1: you really need to have a high level understanding of 1365 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,840 Speaker 1: how a dear probably is going to approach, how he'd 1366 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,800 Speaker 1: be using this wind, and how you can set up 1367 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,240 Speaker 1: to you know, not spook him, but at the same 1368 01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,160 Speaker 1: time being the right place. Now, that's kind of a 1369 01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:54,000 Speaker 1: high level idea. Um. And then two, the same thing 1370 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,920 Speaker 1: goes for when you're approaching a tree stand, back to 1371 01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:57,800 Speaker 1: the very beginning, when you're coming into a tree stand 1372 01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,000 Speaker 1: or leaving a tree stand, Now it just comes down 1373 01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,160 Speaker 1: to making sure you're not having your wind blow to 1374 01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,720 Speaker 1: where those deer are at all. Um. But Andy, can 1375 01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,800 Speaker 1: you take things to the next level or I guess 1376 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,120 Speaker 1: say whatever you want to about this, But if you 1377 01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:11,640 Speaker 1: want to take things to the next level when it 1378 01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,720 Speaker 1: comes to mature bucks and wind stuff, I figured you'd 1379 01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,200 Speaker 1: be a good guy to talk about that. Yeah, I mean, 1380 01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,439 Speaker 1: I think you guys pretty much nailed it. I mean 1381 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,880 Speaker 1: what I'll I agree with Dan what he says, especially 1382 01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,280 Speaker 1: when you're hunting kind of like a travel corridor. You know, 1383 01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,679 Speaker 1: you kind of want to be on the down winds 1384 01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,720 Speaker 1: downwind side of travel. Um. You know, that might be 1385 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:33,720 Speaker 1: something I might sit like during the rut. You know, 1386 01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,280 Speaker 1: maybe a funnel between two blocks of woods, or between 1387 01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,400 Speaker 1: two betting areas or something like that. You know, you 1388 01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,160 Speaker 1: could have your have your wind blowing into somewhat of 1389 01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,360 Speaker 1: a dead zone if there is one, or at least 1390 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,000 Speaker 1: an area where you least expect dear to come from. Um. 1391 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,639 Speaker 1: But you know, uh, also like you know, like you said, Mark, 1392 01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,920 Speaker 1: you got to think how like a mature buck, you 1393 01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:58,679 Speaker 1: know what what does he do? You know at different 1394 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,800 Speaker 1: times of the year. So like during the rut, I 1395 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:02,760 Speaker 1: like to sit on like down wind sides of dough 1396 01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,000 Speaker 1: betting area, So where I know that there's groups of 1397 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:09,320 Speaker 1: dos uh. You know, I I'll push the envelope and 1398 01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,960 Speaker 1: get on the down wind side of that close as 1399 01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,320 Speaker 1: I can without bumping deer out. But in that that's 1400 01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,679 Speaker 1: an area that bucks tend to gravitate towards naturally during 1401 01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,880 Speaker 1: the breeding phase. So you're you're not only getting close 1402 01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:27,840 Speaker 1: to dose which attract bucks, but you're also in the 1403 01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:33,680 Speaker 1: the portion of that betting area where on that given day, 1404 01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:35,920 Speaker 1: when you know, the winds out of the north and 1405 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,680 Speaker 1: you're on that south side, that's bucks are going to 1406 01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,320 Speaker 1: gravitate towards that side anyway to scent check that betting area. 1407 01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,840 Speaker 1: So you're you're, you're, you're basically just playing the percentages. 1408 01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:48,080 Speaker 1: You know, if you said on the east side, it's 1409 01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,160 Speaker 1: you might get one because it's the rut and things happen. 1410 01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,800 Speaker 1: But the bucks that are you know, you might get 1411 01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:54,559 Speaker 1: some young bucks that just kind of bust right in 1412 01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,719 Speaker 1: and you know, our scent checking them. But the mature 1413 01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,800 Speaker 1: buck will typically hit the on wind side kind of 1414 01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,120 Speaker 1: on the on the edge of the cover, and that's 1415 01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,040 Speaker 1: where I like to set up. So I try to 1416 01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,639 Speaker 1: think more of like what does the mature buck do, um, 1417 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,280 Speaker 1: you know during that time? That would be like a 1418 01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:15,439 Speaker 1: like a a typical high percentage rut spot for me. 1419 01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:17,720 Speaker 1: I have several spots like that that is kind of 1420 01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,439 Speaker 1: more on the down wind side of like where a 1421 01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:23,360 Speaker 1: lot of where a lot of dolls live essentially, um, 1422 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,760 Speaker 1: you know. And then like when outside of the rut, 1423 01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,840 Speaker 1: you know playing you know, how do I hunt the wind? 1424 01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,519 Speaker 1: Like if I'm if I'm bed hunting and to be 1425 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,920 Speaker 1: honest with you that the most mature bucks that I 1426 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,000 Speaker 1: have shot, I've I've I've killed some mature ones during 1427 01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,200 Speaker 1: the rut. Don't get me wrong, um, I love the rut, 1428 01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,439 Speaker 1: but it seems like, you know, probably my four or 1429 01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:47,200 Speaker 1: five most mature buck have come outside of the ruck 1430 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,679 Speaker 1: and typically for me, it's more like kind of early 1431 01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,680 Speaker 1: season in mid October, and I'm I'm hunting closer to 1432 01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:56,559 Speaker 1: where where they live, where they bed, and a lot 1433 01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,800 Speaker 1: of times, you know, mature bucks will bed in a 1434 01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,760 Speaker 1: certain area. The specific winds not always there, but there 1435 01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:07,840 Speaker 1: are definitely wind specific beds. So you know there's there's uh, 1436 01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:09,599 Speaker 1: you know, there might be a buck betting area where 1437 01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,640 Speaker 1: he hill bed there on a north wind, or like 1438 01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,040 Speaker 1: maybe that's one of his beds on a north wind. 1439 01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,720 Speaker 1: So you know, you gotta through your scouting. You know, 1440 01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,120 Speaker 1: you can find those spots that you know, when you 1441 01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,880 Speaker 1: get that north wind, you can hunt close to that bed. 1442 01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,200 Speaker 1: When you get that west wind, you can hunt close 1443 01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,880 Speaker 1: to the bed that is used on a west wind. 1444 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:35,640 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah, Okay, so it's it's I 1445 01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,320 Speaker 1: don't want to say it's high level. I guess it 1446 01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,920 Speaker 1: is high level. There's a lot of guys that do this. 1447 01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,760 Speaker 1: This is not new, um, but it does take a 1448 01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,720 Speaker 1: lot of work. It takes a lot of scouting. It 1449 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,160 Speaker 1: takes off, you know, a fair bit of knowledge. But 1450 01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:49,880 Speaker 1: it's just it just takes a lot of time. You're 1451 01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:55,160 Speaker 1: putting in the work. You're finding dozens and dozens and 1452 01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,519 Speaker 1: maybe even hundreds of these beds, and then you have 1453 01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,920 Speaker 1: you have those to plug in, you know, in the 1454 01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:05,400 Speaker 1: early season, in mid October, when things aren't heated up, 1455 01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,599 Speaker 1: when everybody's kind of waiting for things to break loose. 1456 01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,880 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I always I like the 1457 01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:15,680 Speaker 1: rut because you see more. It's exciting. But at the 1458 01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,639 Speaker 1: same time, I don't know. I I kind of feel 1459 01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,439 Speaker 1: like my chances at certain deer kind of go downhill 1460 01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,479 Speaker 1: unless I know for a fact that you know a 1461 01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,439 Speaker 1: certain buck you know for years, you know, two or 1462 01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,559 Speaker 1: three years, he's he tends to be in this little 1463 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:32,840 Speaker 1: side of this marsh and you know, during the first 1464 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,559 Speaker 1: week in November or something like that, and you do 1465 01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,439 Speaker 1: get those trends. But I really like that early season 1466 01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,040 Speaker 1: and even mid October. UM, you know, it can be 1467 01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,280 Speaker 1: up and down. It's definitely not like lights out, but 1468 01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,559 Speaker 1: you can you can make more calculated moves, um, But 1469 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,400 Speaker 1: it just takes a lot of prep time and a 1470 01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,720 Speaker 1: lot of preparation scouting that sort of thing. But I 1471 01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,679 Speaker 1: will say this too, like you know, when you're hunting 1472 01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:58,320 Speaker 1: a buck, you know in his betting area, Dan you 1473 01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,360 Speaker 1: mentioned kind of hunting like an off win in where 1474 01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,360 Speaker 1: the you know, the the winds kind of in the 1475 01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,200 Speaker 1: buck's favor. I believe this is just my opinion that 1476 01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,439 Speaker 1: the buck will move farther. You know, you can set 1477 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,439 Speaker 1: up further back or played a little safer if the 1478 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,240 Speaker 1: if the deer's winds in his favor, I believe, if 1479 01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,840 Speaker 1: he's smelling that direction where he wants to go all 1480 01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:22,040 Speaker 1: day long and there's not a trace, I think I 1481 01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,960 Speaker 1: I do believe that I've had some pretty early encounters 1482 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,559 Speaker 1: and times of the year where you shouldn't even in Michigan, um, 1483 01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,240 Speaker 1: where the opposite you know, if the winds kind of 1484 01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,080 Speaker 1: where he's you know, the direction where he you think 1485 01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,360 Speaker 1: he's gonna go, and the winds not in his favor. 1486 01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,040 Speaker 1: I've seen him. I've actually seen a buck in his 1487 01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,920 Speaker 1: bed with the wind not in his favor towards the 1488 01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,360 Speaker 1: food source, and he sat there literally till dark till 1489 01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,519 Speaker 1: I had to get down and I set up in 1490 01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,640 Speaker 1: the stand watching him through my binoculars, and then he 1491 01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:53,040 Speaker 1: stood up. So that's my opinion. I believe that, like 1492 01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,479 Speaker 1: when the wind's not in their favors, And I'm based 1493 01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,080 Speaker 1: in this. When I'm saying this, I'm talking Michigan, so 1494 01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,200 Speaker 1: it's it's a little different. Um, there's other pressured states too, 1495 01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,080 Speaker 1: But you know, I believe when the wind is in 1496 01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,320 Speaker 1: their favor and they feel safe and they've been smelling 1497 01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:10,000 Speaker 1: that direction for a good portion of the night without 1498 01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,599 Speaker 1: any um you know, sign of danger, that they will 1499 01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,880 Speaker 1: get up and in the closer you are to their 1500 01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,920 Speaker 1: betting area too, there's there's typically a you know, they 1501 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,320 Speaker 1: pick those spots because they're safe. There's there's typically a 1502 01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,200 Speaker 1: radius there where they where they do feel comfortable getting 1503 01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,040 Speaker 1: up and moving in daylight. But it might be steps, 1504 01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,639 Speaker 1: it might be you know, it might be a thirty 1505 01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,880 Speaker 1: yard radius from his bed where he feels safe, or 1506 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,759 Speaker 1: it might be a hundred yard radius. It just depends 1507 01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,200 Speaker 1: on the terrain. Um. You know, that's something that just 1508 01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:42,519 Speaker 1: comes with a lot of uh experience. You know, different 1509 01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,320 Speaker 1: types of train and different types of habitat and different 1510 01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,599 Speaker 1: pressure and that sort of thing, and you gotta kind 1511 01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,920 Speaker 1: of learn. You'll you'll learn how far you need to 1512 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,240 Speaker 1: push it and how far you can. And I always 1513 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,280 Speaker 1: tell guys to be more aggressive because when you're more aggressive, 1514 01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,519 Speaker 1: you're either gonna do it right or you're gonna make 1515 01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,880 Speaker 1: a stake. And if you make a mistake, good job, 1516 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,000 Speaker 1: because you just learned something. You know, if you don't 1517 01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:07,000 Speaker 1: make any mistakes, you're not learning much. So mistakes are 1518 01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,720 Speaker 1: good because especially early, make a lot of them, made 1519 01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:13,160 Speaker 1: a crap ton of them. That's how you learn the 1520 01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,400 Speaker 1: mistakes lesson over time. You know, I still make them, 1521 01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:19,200 Speaker 1: but that's that's that's how you get better. You gotta 1522 01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,080 Speaker 1: make the mistakes. So I always say be aggressive. You 1523 01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,679 Speaker 1: might blow it out if you do, you just learn something. Okay, 1524 01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,320 Speaker 1: next next time, you'll do a little better. When when 1525 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,040 Speaker 1: you're talking to a guy who is a pretty good 1526 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,599 Speaker 1: deer hunter, like he's been doing it for a while, 1527 01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:37,639 Speaker 1: He listens to the podcast, he reads the magazines, he's 1528 01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,799 Speaker 1: killed a few nice bucks. Um, he likes it a lot, 1529 01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:46,080 Speaker 1: but he hasn't made it over that hump to the fact, 1530 01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,080 Speaker 1: to the point of consistency, where you're ending year out, 1531 01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,599 Speaker 1: he's on mature bucks and achieving those goals every year. 1532 01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,120 Speaker 1: Is there like a one thing or two things that 1533 01:23:56,200 --> 01:24:00,120 Speaker 1: you finally consistently like usually it's A or B you 1534 01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,160 Speaker 1: that will help you get over the hump With most people, 1535 01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:06,240 Speaker 1: is there anything that like jumps out to you? The 1536 01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:10,680 Speaker 1: common thing I see with the guys that like, you know, 1537 01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,960 Speaker 1: our successful year in and year out, and and not 1538 01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,400 Speaker 1: even just on one big deer, like usually on a couple, 1539 01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:22,439 Speaker 1: um you know, they're usually just they're usually their level 1540 01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:30,080 Speaker 1: of commitment and time is is much higher than uh, 1541 01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, the guys that aren't. You know, And I'm 1542 01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,920 Speaker 1: not I'm not saying that that's bad or anything. In 1543 01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,000 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, it might even be good not 1544 01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,000 Speaker 1: to be that committed to deer hunting, to be honest 1545 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,400 Speaker 1: with you, Um you know, I mean there's there comes 1546 01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,800 Speaker 1: a sacrifice with that level of commitment. You know, there's 1547 01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:50,599 Speaker 1: family sacrifice, their sacrifice. Maybe with other things that you 1548 01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,519 Speaker 1: enjoy doing. Um, you know, maybe you're not. You love 1549 01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:57,000 Speaker 1: to fish, but you don't fish because you're completely obsessed 1550 01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,639 Speaker 1: with deer hunting and you're devoting all your time in that. 1551 01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,120 Speaker 1: I can I can probably be thrown into that category. 1552 01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:07,360 Speaker 1: Like I have given up pretty much everything else for 1553 01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:09,840 Speaker 1: the little time I do have, I almost always spend 1554 01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:14,600 Speaker 1: it on hunting or archery, almost always. So that's what 1555 01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:18,080 Speaker 1: I see. Those guys. They put in an amount of 1556 01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,920 Speaker 1: time and they have a level of commitment that's just 1557 01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:26,360 Speaker 1: um It's just it's above and beyond what most guys 1558 01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:31,240 Speaker 1: even believe they can do UM or are willing to do. 1559 01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:34,519 Speaker 1: Um And And I'm talking the guys that kind of 1560 01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,040 Speaker 1: do it. You know, you can you can buy some 1561 01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,880 Speaker 1: property and spend a lot of money and kill big bucks. 1562 01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,439 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about those guys. I'm talking about the 1563 01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,920 Speaker 1: guys that kind of you know, do how we do 1564 01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:49,160 Speaker 1: UM it does it does? It takes a um a 1565 01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:53,080 Speaker 1: level of commitment and sacrifice that I don't necessarily recommend 1566 01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:57,640 Speaker 1: to people. UM. You know, there's there's look at some 1567 01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,880 Speaker 1: of the best deer hunters that we know. Dan Infault 1568 01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,679 Speaker 1: will be honest with you and he'll say that he 1569 01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,920 Speaker 1: regrets some of the things he missed, you know, in 1570 01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,840 Speaker 1: his younger years with his family because he was not 1571 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:15,120 Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice his hunting. So not recommending that, but 1572 01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,639 Speaker 1: that's what you see with with those guys that take 1573 01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,720 Speaker 1: it to the next that next level, it's a it's 1574 01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:24,760 Speaker 1: a level of commitment and obsession that just is it's 1575 01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:29,360 Speaker 1: it's a whole another stratosphere. And I would add, I 1576 01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,240 Speaker 1: would add one thing and uh, and you're kind of 1577 01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,879 Speaker 1: an outlier because you traveled to a lot of different states, 1578 01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,960 Speaker 1: but you know you've collected your data over years of 1579 01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:43,040 Speaker 1: hunting throughout those those properties. But a lot of the 1580 01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:46,840 Speaker 1: people are close to where they hunt, live close to 1581 01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:51,920 Speaker 1: where they hunt, and they are able to go drive 1582 01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:55,679 Speaker 1: down the roads and glass at night, or do scouting 1583 01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,839 Speaker 1: every day, or check trail cameras multiple times um throughout 1584 01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:04,920 Speaker 1: throughout a week, where um, for example, once I got married, 1585 01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:11,760 Speaker 1: my time and being able to follow deer on an 1586 01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:16,719 Speaker 1: individual basis took a huge dive or more more or 1587 01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,040 Speaker 1: more when I started having kids. But I was on 1588 01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,040 Speaker 1: the property less, I was scouting less, I was relying 1589 01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,920 Speaker 1: more on trail cameras. And as we all know, trail 1590 01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,880 Speaker 1: cameras are just a sample of what's going on on 1591 01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:32,160 Speaker 1: the property. So the I think some of the guys 1592 01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:36,679 Speaker 1: who are consistently killing big bucks are, like you said, 1593 01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,400 Speaker 1: dedicating a lot of time to it, but at the 1594 01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:44,439 Speaker 1: same time able to scout, live close and be aware 1595 01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,920 Speaker 1: of everything that's going on on the properties that they 1596 01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:52,080 Speaker 1: do hunt. Sir, Yeah, absolutely, And and I a portion 1597 01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:55,519 Speaker 1: of my hunting UM, I'll say, is is like that. 1598 01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,519 Speaker 1: I I hunt some spots that are close to home 1599 01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:03,960 Speaker 1: and to work that are not good. They're just plain 1600 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,880 Speaker 1: and simple. They're not good, but they get me out 1601 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,080 Speaker 1: hunting um. And you know, every once in a while 1602 01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:12,599 Speaker 1: I can turn up a good bucket at those spots. 1603 01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:16,439 Speaker 1: So I'm able to hunt more by having a few 1604 01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:19,200 Speaker 1: of those spots close to home. And yes, I'm sacrificing 1605 01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,280 Speaker 1: quality um for the sake of just being able to 1606 01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,200 Speaker 1: go out and hunt. I still hunt them smart and 1607 01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:27,000 Speaker 1: I still look for, you know, a buck that I'm 1608 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,040 Speaker 1: interested in. But you know, I'll lower my standards some 1609 01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,040 Speaker 1: and my out of state trips are always short, so 1610 01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, I shoot nice I've shot some nice deer. 1611 01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,840 Speaker 1: But I'm not that guy that's gonna say, you know, 1612 01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,880 Speaker 1: I have to shoot a five year old one sixty. 1613 01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,519 Speaker 1: I'm not that guy. I'm not UM. When I go 1614 01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,400 Speaker 1: on those trips. I want a meaningful experience. I want 1615 01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:52,040 Speaker 1: a nice hunt. And if you know, if it ends 1616 01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,880 Speaker 1: with me shooting a nice deer with my boat, I'm 1617 01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:58,240 Speaker 1: happy that's it. And you know I I used to 1618 01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,559 Speaker 1: fall into that that category that you are. You kind 1619 01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,000 Speaker 1: of compare to other you compare yourself to other guys 1620 01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,400 Speaker 1: like gosh, you know he has you know, he has 1621 01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:08,759 Speaker 1: all these leases, or he goes on these outfitted hunts, 1622 01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,519 Speaker 1: or you know, he's got this huge wall of you know, 1623 01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,080 Speaker 1: one eighties and you know this guy lives in Kansas, 1624 01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,640 Speaker 1: and you know I used to kind of fall into that, 1625 01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,559 Speaker 1: and it really just it made me more cynical and 1626 01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:25,439 Speaker 1: ruins the experience. What's that It ruins the experience? Yeah, yeah, 1627 01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,960 Speaker 1: exactly exactly. And and it's you gotta remember, hunting is 1628 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,439 Speaker 1: in a competition everybody. It's not a level playing field. 1629 01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,960 Speaker 1: You you work with what you can do. You can 1630 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:39,040 Speaker 1: do more if you're willing to sacrifice more, um and 1631 01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,920 Speaker 1: just be happy with you got nobody. No, nobody is 1632 01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,479 Speaker 1: going to care what your wall looks like when you die, right, 1633 01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:48,400 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna care. So really, like, go out and just 1634 01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,960 Speaker 1: have some cool experiences, you know, go out and have fun. 1635 01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,400 Speaker 1: Shoot a nice dear. You know, I comes by and 1636 01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:58,000 Speaker 1: you're in North Dakota and it's a three and a 1637 01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,200 Speaker 1: half year old buck and you want to shoot him. 1638 01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,519 Speaker 1: Shoot him. He's a that's a nice dear. You just 1639 01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:04,880 Speaker 1: had an epic hunt with an epic view on a 1640 01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:08,120 Speaker 1: suite road trip, you know what I mean. Like, I 1641 01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,040 Speaker 1: don't know, I kind of switched gears on that a 1642 01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:13,960 Speaker 1: long time ago. And you know, I'm I don't compare 1643 01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,120 Speaker 1: myself to anybody else. It's just it's it does. It 1644 01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:20,360 Speaker 1: ruins the experience, and just it makes you kind of 1645 01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,680 Speaker 1: a grumpy hunter. So you just kind of do your 1646 01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:27,040 Speaker 1: own thing, worry about yourself, and you know, does that 1647 01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,880 Speaker 1: have fun with it? Yeah? Yeah, I'm right there with you, 1648 01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,120 Speaker 1: and and I me too. For a while there, I 1649 01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,559 Speaker 1: was so concerned with like what other people would think 1650 01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,280 Speaker 1: about what I shot, And then finally got to the 1651 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:42,040 Speaker 1: point where it just doesn't matter. To your point, just 1652 01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:45,400 Speaker 1: enjoy yourself, do it for yourself for your own reasons, 1653 01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,599 Speaker 1: and the rest of it will take care of itself. Um, 1654 01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,240 Speaker 1: So let's hop over to another question real quick. This 1655 01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:57,080 Speaker 1: is from Joe via email, and he says that he 1656 01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,880 Speaker 1: heard me and Dan speaking about washing everything and sent 1657 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,559 Speaker 1: as detergents and all that kind of stuff. But his 1658 01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:06,320 Speaker 1: question is this, would it help or hinder to wear 1659 01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,240 Speaker 1: those same hunting clothes when you go out scouting so 1660 01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:11,559 Speaker 1: you get smells of the brush and dirt and other 1661 01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:15,200 Speaker 1: stuff like that, UM on your gear. In theory, he 1662 01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:17,679 Speaker 1: seems to think this would work, but does it actually 1663 01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,400 Speaker 1: and UM, you know if so, then he also is 1664 01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,960 Speaker 1: curious about specific scent control ideas for boots. He wears 1665 01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,320 Speaker 1: them often all over his hunting farm. Um. Again because 1666 01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:30,840 Speaker 1: he wants to get the smells of the environment on 1667 01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,720 Speaker 1: his boots. UM. He's curious if there's any reality to 1668 01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:37,519 Speaker 1: that or or not. UM. Andy thoughts on wearing your 1669 01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:42,040 Speaker 1: hunting gear when you're scouting in stuff and if that helps? UM, 1670 01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,919 Speaker 1: I do not. You know, if if I was scouting 1671 01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,080 Speaker 1: in season, like scouting with the stand in my back 1672 01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,719 Speaker 1: ready is set up at a moment's notice, yeah, sure, 1673 01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:54,160 Speaker 1: I'd probably have my hunting gear on. But other than that, UM, 1674 01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:59,320 Speaker 1: like what I'm doing now, I do not. UM. I 1675 01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:03,920 Speaker 1: practice control about is to the point where I washed 1676 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,439 Speaker 1: my gear and I take a shower. UM. That's it. 1677 01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:12,640 Speaker 1: I I've I don't really take it any further than that. UM. 1678 01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,960 Speaker 1: My scouting gear, I usually wash it and sent free stuff. 1679 01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,880 Speaker 1: But I always figure, you know, once it's been on me, 1680 01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:23,120 Speaker 1: it's sort of contaminated. I don't I don't even know 1681 01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,280 Speaker 1: that I believe that washing it really does that much 1682 01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:27,439 Speaker 1: for me. Um. But in my mind it helps a 1683 01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:30,120 Speaker 1: little bit. I paid more attention to and then to 1684 01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:33,200 Speaker 1: my boots than anything um. I think that's the one 1685 01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:38,400 Speaker 1: piece that is always touching the ground. Um. So and 1686 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:42,120 Speaker 1: it can leave a lingering effect. So I I take 1687 01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:45,559 Speaker 1: more care of my boots than than anything else. Um. 1688 01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,840 Speaker 1: But not to answer his question, I I have some 1689 01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:53,040 Speaker 1: like dedicated scouting clothes which aren't anything special. Um. And 1690 01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,639 Speaker 1: I just kind of keep those washed in the same 1691 01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,760 Speaker 1: scent free detergent and just you know, after I wear them, 1692 01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,439 Speaker 1: I'm usually if I'm scouting, I'm usually kind of sweaty 1693 01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:05,400 Speaker 1: after and I washed him. Yeah, So what do you 1694 01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:13,160 Speaker 1: do to to manage scent with those boots? Um? I well, yeah, yeah, UM, 1695 01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,160 Speaker 1: I keep him in a little tote. Um. I don't 1696 01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:19,720 Speaker 1: wear them other than hunting. Um. And and then I'm 1697 01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:23,360 Speaker 1: gonna speak on hunting around here, like places where I 1698 01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:26,120 Speaker 1: hunt repeatedly. Um, this is this is what I do. 1699 01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:31,879 Speaker 1: Rubber boots Um, I'll I'll use some activated carbon powder 1700 01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:35,640 Speaker 1: that I pour into them, um after each time, or 1701 01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,519 Speaker 1: sometimes I'll use zeo light. UM. I don't know if 1702 01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:42,479 Speaker 1: you remember Jim Brocker, Yeah, yeah, so so you know 1703 01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,519 Speaker 1: him and I had a conversation a long time ago, 1704 01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:47,280 Speaker 1: and you know he's much smarter man than me when 1705 01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,720 Speaker 1: it comes to that kind of stuff. So UM, I 1706 01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:53,240 Speaker 1: believe that that helps. Um. I I can't tell you 1707 01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:59,080 Speaker 1: the last time the dear smell my walking in with 1708 01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:01,600 Speaker 1: with these boots, so that they don't they don't go 1709 01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:04,040 Speaker 1: in the car, They're not on my feet while I'm driving. 1710 01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:06,880 Speaker 1: They stay in the toe. I put them on my hunt. 1711 01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:08,800 Speaker 1: When I'm done, I put them back in the toe, 1712 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:13,040 Speaker 1: sprinkle a little carbon in there, um, and then they're 1713 01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:17,880 Speaker 1: not brought out again until I hunt again. Now. Uh, 1714 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,040 Speaker 1: when I'm on a road trip, um, if it's a 1715 01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,519 Speaker 1: you know in Iowa, I I we hunt some places 1716 01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,840 Speaker 1: where there's not terrible walks. I'll still wear those and 1717 01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,960 Speaker 1: I'll still treat them the same way. But in southern Ohio, 1718 01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:34,280 Speaker 1: I wear more of like a hiking boot. And I'm 1719 01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:36,439 Speaker 1: there on a short term. I'm probably gonna sit in 1720 01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:40,759 Speaker 1: the spot once. Um, you know, I don't really enjoy walking, 1721 01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:43,519 Speaker 1: you know, a mile or more in those rubber boots, 1722 01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:46,240 Speaker 1: so I'll wear more of a hiking boot. Sent Control 1723 01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:51,080 Speaker 1: there is, in my opinion, pretty feudal. Uh. It's just uh, 1724 01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, you're you're working up a sweat walking a mile, 1725 01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:59,080 Speaker 1: carrying of gear on your back, so you stink, you're 1726 01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:02,360 Speaker 1: you're you're saying. Control there, in my opinion, is just 1727 01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:04,880 Speaker 1: playing the wind. I try to walk where I don't 1728 01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,759 Speaker 1: think deer will walk, and I try to play the wind, 1729 01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,360 Speaker 1: and you know, I just go for it like that 1730 01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:14,559 Speaker 1: in those states. So what I've what I've observed is 1731 01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:20,639 Speaker 1: that deer are much more tolerant of of human scentse 1732 01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:22,920 Speaker 1: Like you know, you know, the mature buck comes to 1733 01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,080 Speaker 1: I smells like, yeah, he's still probably gonna bust. But 1734 01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,599 Speaker 1: I've had, you know, in some of those less pressured states. 1735 01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:31,880 Speaker 1: It's just they just don't have the negative reaction that 1736 01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:34,360 Speaker 1: they do here and and probably in some other states 1737 01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,920 Speaker 1: like New York and Pennsylvania. I'm I'm assuming there, but 1738 01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,439 Speaker 1: um so you can get you can get away with 1739 01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:41,640 Speaker 1: a little more. Um. But I don't worry about it 1740 01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:43,760 Speaker 1: as much when I when I have a lot of 1741 01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,000 Speaker 1: hiking to do, you know, I'll just wear my good, 1742 01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:49,800 Speaker 1: my good hiking boots. Yeah, that makes sense, That makes sense. 1743 01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,960 Speaker 1: And I agree that the rubber boots, even the best ones, 1744 01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:56,160 Speaker 1: they're they're great for your regular everyday stuff. But as 1745 01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:58,000 Speaker 1: soon as you start hiking more than a mile or 1746 01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:00,560 Speaker 1: something like that, or like during shed in season, you 1747 01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,479 Speaker 1: can be walking around a lot, man, it just pays 1748 01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:06,200 Speaker 1: to switch to a hiking boot for a comfort standpoint, 1749 01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:09,720 Speaker 1: and just making it there in one piece. Um. Now 1750 01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,360 Speaker 1: to the other questions, though, I'll just add I agree 1751 01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:14,560 Speaker 1: with you on the scouting clothes. I wouldn't wear my 1752 01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:18,840 Speaker 1: hunting clothes um, you know for any other reason except 1753 01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,120 Speaker 1: for hunt really, And then I'm just keeping washed, keeping 1754 01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:24,800 Speaker 1: them storage somewhere where they're sent free. Um. And then 1755 01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:26,920 Speaker 1: same thing with the boots. I don't take things quite 1756 01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,760 Speaker 1: as far as you do with the zero lite powder um, 1757 01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:31,800 Speaker 1: but I do keep them stored somewhere where it's not 1758 01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:33,519 Speaker 1: you know, I don't keep them inside, keep out in 1759 01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:37,280 Speaker 1: my truck or in my barn, um, usually storing a 1760 01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,599 Speaker 1: tote during road trips and stuff. And then I spram 1761 01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:44,240 Speaker 1: down when I'm going hunting. And then I also put 1762 01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:47,160 Speaker 1: some spray, some nose jammer on the spray, some nose 1763 01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:49,840 Speaker 1: jammer on the bottom two, which which I've found I 1764 01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:53,280 Speaker 1: think helps them. Um. I've I've had deer come walking, 1765 01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,000 Speaker 1: mature box come walking right up my trail, almost like 1766 01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,160 Speaker 1: they're intrigued by it, but don't really know what it is, 1767 01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:01,840 Speaker 1: UM or at least don't spook UM. And then I 1768 01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:05,680 Speaker 1: pour some I know that dead down wind makes it. 1769 01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:07,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what it actually is, but some kind 1770 01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:09,400 Speaker 1: of scent absorbing powder I pour. I put that in 1771 01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:12,160 Speaker 1: the inside of my boots. Um what I'm done, and 1772 01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:15,000 Speaker 1: it kind of absorbed some the moisture and sweaty smell 1773 01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:17,960 Speaker 1: and stuff I think out of that. UM. So that's 1774 01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:19,760 Speaker 1: kind of what I do on the boot front. Dan 1775 01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:24,040 Speaker 1: anything else you'd add there. If there's one product, and 1776 01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:27,559 Speaker 1: I know it's this is crazy, what I do is 1777 01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,720 Speaker 1: if there's one thing I well, I don't I'm not 1778 01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:35,960 Speaker 1: a freak about sent control on like boots per se. 1779 01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:40,280 Speaker 1: But I use a lot of nose jammer throughout the year. 1780 01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:43,719 Speaker 1: And I walked through a lot of pastures, so from 1781 01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:47,000 Speaker 1: exit and entry routes, I'm spraying a lot of nose 1782 01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:50,320 Speaker 1: jammer and I'm spraying or I'm stepping in as much 1783 01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:52,479 Speaker 1: manure as i can on the way to the tree stand. 1784 01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:58,280 Speaker 1: So um that just you know, I was told told 1785 01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,759 Speaker 1: by an old timer to do that, and I've always 1786 01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:02,519 Speaker 1: done that. If i can find a pile of poop, 1787 01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:06,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna step in it. It makes sense. It makes sense. 1788 01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:10,559 Speaker 1: And scouting, I do most of my scouting during shed season, 1789 01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:16,160 Speaker 1: So unless I get a property that is close to 1790 01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, even when I get properties that are close 1791 01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:22,880 Speaker 1: to hunting season, I haven't really scouted him. I'm running 1792 01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,400 Speaker 1: a gunning so I'm doing my scouting in my hunting 1793 01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:30,120 Speaker 1: clothes because I'm gonna be hunting. So um, my scouting 1794 01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:33,160 Speaker 1: is done during shed season or or running gun style. 1795 01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:38,800 Speaker 1: Yea makes sense. All right, quick rapid fire question here 1796 01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,760 Speaker 1: before we have to wrap it up. Alex from Instagram 1797 01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,759 Speaker 1: ask me me personally what I use for my plot 1798 01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,559 Speaker 1: screens and I was answer this really quickly. I used 1799 01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:50,800 Speaker 1: to plant a mixture of Egyptian wheat and sorghum to 1800 01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,599 Speaker 1: provide this kind of tall barrier of cover around food 1801 01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:56,400 Speaker 1: plots and stuff like that, or areas that you need 1802 01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:00,320 Speaker 1: to access without being seen. This year I'm just landing 1803 01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,840 Speaker 1: straight Egyptian wheit. I just bought some cheap Egyptian wheat 1804 01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,360 Speaker 1: from the female, going to see how that works. Um, 1805 01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:07,600 Speaker 1: I've heard good things. This stuff grow. It kind of 1806 01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:11,360 Speaker 1: looks like corn sort of it. It grows tall and thick. Um. 1807 01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,559 Speaker 1: So this way I can have something like a food 1808 01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:17,120 Speaker 1: plot even adjacent to a big, wide open crop field, 1809 01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:20,759 Speaker 1: but it's feeling secluded so you can't see it inside 1810 01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,519 Speaker 1: of that food plot. And that achieves a couple of 1811 01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:24,639 Speaker 1: things for you. If there's you know, if you're within 1812 01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,000 Speaker 1: sight of a road, this keeps people on the road 1813 01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:28,760 Speaker 1: from being able to see into your food plot, keeps 1814 01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:30,760 Speaker 1: deer in your food plot from seeing things going on 1815 01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,160 Speaker 1: by the road. Or if you need to walk into 1816 01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:35,439 Speaker 1: your property and you don't want animals in the food 1817 01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:37,800 Speaker 1: plot to see you walking, this is another great way 1818 01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:41,240 Speaker 1: to keep that from happening. Um, A whole bunch of 1819 01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:43,760 Speaker 1: different benefits there. So definitely recommend the whole food plat 1820 01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,559 Speaker 1: screen idea if you can manage land. That's what I'm 1821 01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:52,560 Speaker 1: doing there. UM, real quick last question for you to um. 1822 01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:57,040 Speaker 1: Nick wants to take his hunting to another level. He's 1823 01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:00,720 Speaker 1: been into whitetail hunting in Michigan now wants to try 1824 01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:05,040 Speaker 1: chasing mule deer or elk out of state. His tons 1825 01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:08,000 Speaker 1: of questions related to that. I'm not gonna have us 1826 01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,519 Speaker 1: go through all those, but really quick. He's wondering if 1827 01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:14,479 Speaker 1: we have any recommended resources, UM to help with this 1828 01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:16,640 Speaker 1: process of figuring out how to do an out of 1829 01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:19,840 Speaker 1: state hunt. UM. Anything I know both of you guys 1830 01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:21,920 Speaker 1: have done a few out of state mule deer or 1831 01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:25,840 Speaker 1: elk or analo punts in your case, Andy, any quick 1832 01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:29,240 Speaker 1: tip or quick recommended website or podcasts or resource to 1833 01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:36,200 Speaker 1: help plan that stuff. Andy thoughts, Yeah, yeah, for sure. UM. 1834 01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:39,040 Speaker 1: It's it's that whole research thing out West can be 1835 01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:43,720 Speaker 1: a little overwhelming. UM. There's two UH companies that I 1836 01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:47,720 Speaker 1: know are pretty popular. One is called Epic Outdoors and 1837 01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:51,799 Speaker 1: the other is called Hunting Fool. And they do charge 1838 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,640 Speaker 1: like a yearly membership. But what that gives you is 1839 01:40:55,200 --> 01:41:01,479 Speaker 1: UH magazine, a monthly magazine UM that breaks down each 1840 01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:06,720 Speaker 1: state and species and unit UH draw odds UM. And 1841 01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:12,080 Speaker 1: it gives you access to their consultant guys who you 1842 01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:13,840 Speaker 1: can call them as long as you remember you can 1843 01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:18,639 Speaker 1: call them anytime and you can ask those questions. UM. 1844 01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:20,760 Speaker 1: You know, like you know, I don't want to hunt 1845 01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:24,840 Speaker 1: mule deer, UM, but I want to hunt them next year. 1846 01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:28,360 Speaker 1: Water my options. You know, there's there's certain states where 1847 01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:30,360 Speaker 1: that's just not going to happen, but there are states 1848 01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:33,280 Speaker 1: where it can happen. UM. And it's that might not 1849 01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:37,120 Speaker 1: necessarily be what's considered a trophy hunt, but it's considered 1850 01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:39,439 Speaker 1: out West, they call it more of like an opportunity hunt. 1851 01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:43,120 Speaker 1: So they're there, there are situations or maybe your goal is, hey, 1852 01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:46,800 Speaker 1: I want to hunt hunternadians mule there they'll be able 1853 01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:51,640 Speaker 1: to kind of build you uh uh like a program 1854 01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:55,200 Speaker 1: of of you know, hunt here here, here, build up 1855 01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:57,840 Speaker 1: your experience of hunting mule deer, and then by the 1856 01:41:57,840 --> 01:41:59,840 Speaker 1: time you have four or five points, you can draw 1857 01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:03,120 Speaker 1: this tag and Colorado and you'll be in the neighborhood 1858 01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:08,000 Speaker 1: of adile deer. So those are two that come to mind, UM, 1859 01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:14,280 Speaker 1: that are helpful. UM. And there's some really good podcast uh. 1860 01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:16,800 Speaker 1: The Rich Outdoors is a really good one that I like, 1861 01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:20,840 Speaker 1: UM on out West Hunting UM, Epic Outdoors and Hunting 1862 01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:24,519 Speaker 1: Full have their own podcasts also, and they'll have you know, 1863 01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:29,160 Speaker 1: species and and state breakdown. Um, you know that sort 1864 01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:32,519 Speaker 1: of thing. I'm in the same ballpark, is uh, as 1865 01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:35,639 Speaker 1: the guy that asked this question. I'm hunting meal deer 1866 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,960 Speaker 1: um this year for the first time. UM. I did 1867 01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:41,160 Speaker 1: antelope last year and I'm doing an antelope meal deer 1868 01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:44,360 Speaker 1: combo this year. So I'm kind of in that same ballpark. 1869 01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:48,080 Speaker 1: But you have to kind of have some goals. Um, 1870 01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:50,120 Speaker 1: you know what you want to be hunting. I mean, 1871 01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:53,080 Speaker 1: if you care about size, you know you're gonna have 1872 01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:56,240 Speaker 1: a different draw strategy than maybe someone like me who 1873 01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:59,760 Speaker 1: just wants to go often. So well, I would I 1874 01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:03,639 Speaker 1: would look into those uh, look into those two good 1875 01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:08,320 Speaker 1: good options. Uh, Dan Man, I know that I can't 1876 01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:11,960 Speaker 1: remember what podcast it was that we we talked about this, 1877 01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:15,400 Speaker 1: but you know, dig through the wire to hunt podcasts. 1878 01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:19,120 Speaker 1: There's gotta be one. I don't know the number specifically, 1879 01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:25,800 Speaker 1: but um the uh, we we've talked about several times 1880 01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:30,360 Speaker 1: about how to prep for Western trips. But um, as 1881 01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:34,760 Speaker 1: far as shameless promotion is concerned. Uh, they're on the 1882 01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:39,640 Speaker 1: Sportsman's Nation, Uh Western Big Game Feed. There's a podcast 1883 01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:42,960 Speaker 1: called Rookies in the back Country, and these guys have 1884 01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:47,240 Speaker 1: never hunted out West before and they're they're planning for it, 1885 01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:53,040 Speaker 1: So all of their guests are somewhat experts per se 1886 01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:57,760 Speaker 1: or people who have done Western hunts before and are 1887 01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:02,839 Speaker 1: basically giving the hosts of the podcast information about hunting 1888 01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:06,480 Speaker 1: the West. So a lot of good content there. Cool, 1889 01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:10,000 Speaker 1: that sounds awesome. Yeah, good stuff there. I will throw 1890 01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:13,720 Speaker 1: in a few other recommendations. Go hunt dot com is 1891 01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:16,760 Speaker 1: a website that, again there's a membership fee, but if 1892 01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:19,760 Speaker 1: you become a member, there's tons of information as far 1893 01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:23,480 Speaker 1: as everything you know for each state, for each different species, 1894 01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:29,200 Speaker 1: the different draws, the different units, actual really detailed breakdowns 1895 01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:33,480 Speaker 1: of each unit in each state. I found that very helpful. Um. 1896 01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:36,360 Speaker 1: You know Randy Newberg's podcast, he does a lot of 1897 01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:39,000 Speaker 1: good stuff around helping people get figured out when they're 1898 01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:41,639 Speaker 1: doing their first odd state hunts. And his forum hunt 1899 01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:47,400 Speaker 1: talk um uh or shoot what's the U? R l um? 1900 01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:48,840 Speaker 1: I don't remember the U all but just look up 1901 01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,559 Speaker 1: Randy Newberg's website. You'll take you to his forum. That's 1902 01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:56,320 Speaker 1: another good option. Um. Yeah, all the other podcasts you mentioned, 1903 01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:58,840 Speaker 1: there's tons of great information out there. We have, as 1904 01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:01,559 Speaker 1: Dan said, we've done some podcast talking about our own 1905 01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,720 Speaker 1: personal experiences. So if you do a little searching through 1906 01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:09,160 Speaker 1: our podcast archives, you'll see them there as well. So, man, 1907 01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:11,200 Speaker 1: I feel like we need to wrap this one up 1908 01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:15,400 Speaker 1: because we've gone pretty long. Um any any final words? Andy, 1909 01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:18,120 Speaker 1: you want to leave our folks with? No? Man, it 1910 01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:21,360 Speaker 1: was it was fun and I appreciate you guys had 1911 01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:22,960 Speaker 1: me on. It was a good time to be happy 1912 01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:25,320 Speaker 1: to do it again. Sometimes, what are you going to 1913 01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:30,439 Speaker 1: write a book? May? I don't think there's any books 1914 01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:34,559 Speaker 1: in my future. Come on, there's gotta be something maybe 1915 01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:38,200 Speaker 1: maybe maybe, you mean, Andy, maybe we'll sit down for 1916 01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:40,720 Speaker 1: seven hours one day and I'll record you talk and 1917 01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:42,479 Speaker 1: then I'll make a book out of it and take 1918 01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:48,320 Speaker 1: the proceeds. What about that? That sounds that sounds like? 1919 01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:53,519 Speaker 1: Sounds fair? Yeah, sounds really fair? Yeah? Alright, uh Dan, 1920 01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:56,720 Speaker 1: anything we need to cover before we go? Science has 1921 01:45:56,720 --> 01:46:00,479 Speaker 1: still not allowed me to grow the fingerback. So good. 1922 01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:06,719 Speaker 1: All right, let's let's wrap this one up and that 1923 01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:10,040 Speaker 1: will do it. So just our usual quick reminders, if 1924 01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:13,120 Speaker 1: you haven't yet subscribed on iTunes, please do that. We 1925 01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:15,960 Speaker 1: also would love rating or reviews there. It's a huge help. 1926 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:19,559 Speaker 1: If you haven't followed us yet on YouTube. Lots more 1927 01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,559 Speaker 1: coming on YouTube, to be sure to subscribe to our 1928 01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:25,240 Speaker 1: channel there too. 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