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Speaker 2: It was hard, like, how can it happen? And nobody

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Speaker 1: That's Wendy al Davia. She used to live in Daisy's

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Speaker 1: the time of Daisy's death. She rented the unit right

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Speaker 1: below Daisy's family. Wendy was deeply invested in getting justice

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Speaker 1: for Daisy. It wasn't just because she'd known Daisy since

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Speaker 1: Daisy was a little girl, or because her son Jeffrey,

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Speaker 1: who was thirteen at the time, had been the one

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Speaker 3: It was also because.

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Speaker 1: One of Wendy's belongings ended up becoming a key piece

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Speaker 1: of evidence, the blue patterned carpet that had been placed

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Speaker 3: It was onondies.

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Speaker 2: I had too, and I took one home and I

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Speaker 2: left one for my mom, And then my mom said

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Speaker 2: she didn't want it. That's why I threw it out.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm, that's a wild yeah.

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Speaker 2: And no, and then wait and then my neighbors she

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Speaker 2: was moving out at the time, and she said she

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Speaker 2: was she threw a lot of knives, like a lot

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Speaker 2: the obviously the knife that she threw away had her fingerprints.

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Speaker 3: It was her knife that she threw away.

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Speaker 1: I'll just say it is unclear whether the knives she

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Speaker 3: Fact the murder weapon.

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Speaker 2: Because we were all thinking about like all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: We were having conversations, and she was like, imagine if

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Speaker 2: they come and they say it was us, because if

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Speaker 2: it has our fingerprints, I'm like, well, they'll probably say

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Speaker 2: it was us too, because we have the carpet.

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Speaker 3: The carpet was ours. You know, we were all trying

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Speaker 1: Right because you don't know what's going on, and like,

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Speaker 1: no one's giving you information.

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Speaker 2: No, And obviously the comte sheriffs didn't come to us

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Speaker 2: and be like, oh, the we found this night, we

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Speaker 2: found this carpet or anything like that. No, we didn't

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Speaker 2: know anything.

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Speaker 1: The murder and the absence of information around it, it

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Speaker 1: created this void, this panic, this paranoia, a fear that

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Speaker 1: everyone was a suspect, including maybe even Wendy and her neighbor.

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Speaker 1: But this idea that just anybody was a suspect it

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Speaker 1: wasn't something that Daisy's mother or her friends subscribed to.

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Speaker 1: They were pretty sure they knew exactly who had committed

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Speaker 1: this murder. The question was why hadn't he been arrested yet.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jen Swan from London Audio iHeartRadio and executive producer Parasiltan.

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Speaker 1: This is My Friend Daisy Episode four, another death in

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Speaker 1: Compton that Daisy slipped out of the house and never

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Speaker 1: came home. Her mother, Susie, noticed something that concerned her.

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Speaker 1: It was a message on Daisy's phone from Mark's boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: Victor Sosa. Normally, Susie told me she would never read

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Speaker 1: her daughter's text messages, but she happened to see it

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Speaker 1: pop up while she was looking in Daisy's direction. It

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Speaker 1: contained just five words, I've got something for you. After

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Speaker 1: Daisy got this message, she got up. She hugged her

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Speaker 1: mother and her grandmother and she told them she'd be

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Speaker 1: Susie had no reason to suspect that Daisy wasn't going

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Speaker 1: Susie figured she'd spent the night with Victor. It was disappointing,

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Speaker 1: When Susie identified her daughter's body the next day, the

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Speaker 1: Susie told them about Victor. She told me that she

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Speaker 3: They said, Lugo, please leave a message.

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Speaker 1: But even when she got him on the line, Susie

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Speaker 1: All he could say was that he and his partner Sanchez,

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Speaker 1: Everybody probably had a million questions.

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Speaker 2: I thought about Susie. I'm like, how does she not

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Speaker 1: You know, that's Wendy again. When I met with Wendy

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Speaker 1: years had gone by since Daisy's murder. A lot had

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Speaker 2: Now I think about it and I'm like, can't judge

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Speaker 1: Her oldest daughter had recently turned eighteen, which meant that

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Speaker 1: Wendy now had this new knowledge, this new experience of

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Speaker 2: It's like they don't know how to live even though

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Speaker 1: So you were saying, before you had teenage kids, you

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Speaker 2: How did she not know?

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Speaker 2: I thought about that. That was my first thought, like

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Speaker 2: like I'm saying, now I realize it, and I'm like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: we have no control over them. You know, They're gonna

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Speaker 1: That's what Daisy's grandfather thought too, that Daisy had gone

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Speaker 1: around ten thirty pm he saw something that nobody else saw.

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Speaker 1: It was something moving outside. It was dark out and

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Speaker 5: Say, I said, Won there is.

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Speaker 1: And the second time he saw it, he said, it

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Speaker 1: He couldn't tell who it was because they were wearing

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Speaker 1: He'd never done anything like this before, but if it

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Speaker 1: The other five were what's known as fillers. So these

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Speaker 3: He recognized Victor's photo.

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Speaker 1: He pointed him out to detectives and he told them

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Speaker 1: Wan was not brought into the station to identify Daisy's ex.

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Speaker 1: He was asked something really specific. He was asked who

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Speaker 1: He studied the photos in front of him. He looked

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Speaker 1: He scanned each of the men's faces, one after the other.

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Speaker 1: He looked into their eyes and studied their bone structure.

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Speaker 1: these men kill my granddaughter? Eventually, after what felt like

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Speaker 1: The detectives had told me that getting surveillance video like

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Speaker 6: The one gentleman that we had asked for, he was

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Speaker 6: You know, we were trying to locate Victor, and I

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm going to come back to Jeffrey's story

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Speaker 1: Three months after Daisy's murder, there had been no significant

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Speaker 1: updates in the case. There were no press conferences, no

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Speaker 1: news of a possible DNA match, there were no rewards

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Speaker 1: offered for information leading to an arrest, and the police

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Speaker 1: had yet to announce that there was even a suspect.

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Speaker 1: They hadn't released Victor's name or his photo to the public.

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Speaker 1: It made one of Daisy's friends start to wonder, but

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Speaker 1: if maybe the police really did have some other intel

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Speaker 1: that she didn't know about, Like maybe the DNA at

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Speaker 1: the crime scene matched with someone who wasn't Victor. Maybe

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Speaker 1: the detectives were looking into a different suspect. But the

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Speaker 1: longer she waited, the more she became convinced that her

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Speaker 1: instincts had been.

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Speaker 3: Right all along.

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Speaker 1: There was no way Victor hadn't done this, she remembered, thinking,

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Speaker 1: it just didn't make sense. Otherwise, there was no one

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Speaker 1: else who would have wanted to hurt Daisy. She and

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Speaker 1: her friends considered looking for Victor on their own. They

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Speaker 1: had a few ideas about where he might be hiding,

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Speaker 1: like the motel that he sometimes rented for him and Daisy,

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Speaker 1: or somewhere in the bushes along the Elle River, because

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Speaker 1: even before he went on the run, they told me

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Speaker 1: it wasn't unusual for him to spend the night on

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Speaker 1: the streets. Daisy sometimes came with him just to keep

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Speaker 1: him company. That's just the kind of person she was,

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Speaker 1: her friends told me. Ultimately, though, Daisy's friends thought better

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Speaker 1: of their search party because what if they did find Victor,

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Speaker 1: what were they going to do then? Or worse, what

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Speaker 1: was he going to do. That's when they began talking

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Speaker 1: about ways to spread the word.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if other.

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Speaker 1: People knew to look out for this guy, then someone

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Speaker 1: would be able to spot him. And if detectives weren't

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Speaker 1: going to put his name and photo out, they thought,

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Speaker 1: then fine, we'll do it ourselves. They told Susie about

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Speaker 1: their plan, and she gave them her blessing. She told

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Speaker 1: them do whatever it takes to find him next time.

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Speaker 3: On my friend Daisy, I would.

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Speaker 8: Tell other people too, like, hey, you want to meet

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Speaker 8: up and look for him?

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Speaker 5: I'd be so down. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's like really scary to have someone that does something

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Speaker 2: so fucked up to someone else.

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Speaker 4: Hi, everyone, this is Paris. Thanks for listening to my

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Speaker 4: friend Daisy. If you are someone you love is experiencing abuse.

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Speaker 4: You are not alone. Help is available twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 4: Contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline for free confidential support.

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Speaker 4: Call eight hundred seven nine to nine seven two three three,

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Speaker 4: text start to eight eight seven eight eight, or visit

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Speaker 4: the hotline dot org Your safety matters reach out today.

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Speaker 1: My Friend Daisy is a production of London Audio with

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Speaker 1: support from Sony Music Entertainment. It's reported, written and executive

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Speaker 1: produced by me Jen Swan. I'm also your host. Our

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Speaker 1: The Cut. This episode cites two different studies. One of

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Speaker 1: them is called Whose Lives Matter, which appeared in Sociology

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Speaker 1: of Race and Ethnicity. It was published by sociologists at

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Speaker 1: University of Chicago and Stanford University, and it was previously

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Speaker 1: reported on by the Marshall Project.

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Speaker 3: You can go read more about that on their website.

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Speaker 1: And the federal clearance rate data that I mentioned, which

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Speaker 1: breaks down homicide clearance rates by race, was based on

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Speaker 1: a CBS News analysis of the FBI's data. You can

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Speaker 1: read more about it on CBS News's website. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for listening