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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Everybody, Thursday edition, December seventh. Play end Buck starts

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Speaker 2: right now and play. We both watched last night as

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Speaker 2: this debate played out.

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot for you on that one.

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Speaker 3: We will break it down to you in this hour

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Speaker 3: curtainly work, looking at the various performances, but also how

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Speaker 3: it sets up the candidates, the vague DeSantis Haley, I

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Speaker 3: mean technically still Christy, but then the man who was

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Speaker 3: not there.

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Speaker 1: The man who was still way out in the lead,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. What can we glean from this?

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Speaker 2: And I will say from a pure political entertainment perspective,

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Speaker 2: I would argue this may have been the best debated.

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Speaker 2: It also is a reminder that the moment.

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Speaker 1: You have eight people or ten people.

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Speaker 2: Or any of that one stage, it just turns into

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Speaker 2: people squawking at each other.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really register.

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Speaker 2: There's not enough time, not enough air to let people

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Speaker 2: get into it and let the debates unfold.

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Speaker 1: So that was really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Also, some videos being made by and statements being put

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Speaker 2: out by those college presidents Clay, including from Harvard and from.

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Speaker 1: University of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: It turns out that many of the alumni and many

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Speaker 2: major donors board members at some of these elite Ivy

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Speaker 2: League institutions do not think that it is even vaguely

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Speaker 2: okay for the president of Harvard or the president of

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Speaker 2: u penn to say that calling for the genocide of

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Speaker 2: the Jews in campus dedmonstrations is a context based issue

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Speaker 2: that maybe is okay. We'll break down for you the statement,

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Speaker 2: particularly from the University of Pennsylvania president.

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Speaker 1: It was as though the.

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Speaker 2: PR coaches were all standing around her as she she

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Speaker 2: gave it. We shall discuss that also, some updates from

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Speaker 2: what's going on in in Israel with the war against

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Speaker 2: Hamas to dive into and.

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Speaker 1: Some other things.

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Speaker 2: Well, we definitely gonna want to hear from you, by

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Speaker 2: the way, your your reactions to the last night's debate

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Speaker 2: eight hundred eight to two, eight eight two, and maybe

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Speaker 2: we could just give a little context some of those calls.

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Speaker 1: Clayds, I think we asked.

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Speaker 2: For biggest winners, biggest losers, right, biggest winner of the night,

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Speaker 2: biggest loser. Then if you're going to call in, who

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Speaker 2: do you think gain, who do you think lost? Some lost,

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Speaker 2: some momentum or maybe should drop out entirely, but it

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Speaker 2: was as anticipated. Right, we could go down the list

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Speaker 2: the candidates basically taking the roles on that stage.

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Speaker 1: That we had thought they would.

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Speaker 2: Chris Christi is the anti Trump, the Veik is the

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Speaker 2: younger Maga generation. DeSantis is the uh you know, fried

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Speaker 2: and true conservative governor. Nicki Haley the donor class approved moderate,

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Speaker 2: YadA YadA, right like that, that is how it all

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Speaker 2: shook out. But man, did it get spicy. Let's start

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Speaker 2: with a Clay. I thought, can I just play it

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Speaker 2: my craziest and you can? Because it got into it

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Speaker 2: got personal. It is clear that Nicky Haley and Vivey

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Speaker 2: do not.

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Speaker 1: Like each other. We've said that before, and Viveke this

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Speaker 1: has cut nine.

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Speaker 2: I just want you all to hear this, and Clay

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Speaker 2: that I don't want to hear your reactions to all this.

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Speaker 1: This is Viveke going after Nicki Haley. Play it.

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Speaker 4: She said that I have a woman problem. Nikki, I

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Speaker 4: don't have a woman problem. You have a corruption problem.

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Speaker 4: And I think that that's what people need to know.

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Speaker 4: Nikki is corrupt. This is a woman who will send

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Speaker 4: your kids to die so she can buy a bigger habs.

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Speaker 4: This is the problem using identity politics more effectively than

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Speaker 4: you can.

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Speaker 1: I stop can I stop it right there?

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Speaker 2: I just because that was hard to catch for a

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Speaker 2: lot of people, including me at home.

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Speaker 1: I had to look at it afterwards.

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Speaker 2: Clay he said that Nicky Haley will send your kids

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Speaker 1: Strong, strong accusation. I thought that Chris Christy is officially done. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so biggest loser, let's start there. I thought was Chris Christie.

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Speaker 1: I think he needs to drop out. I think he

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Speaker 1: felt like he was going to endorse Nicki Haley. I

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Speaker 1: thought Ron DeSantis was the biggest winner because I think

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Speaker 1: I would put the vacant second place. I thought Nicki

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Speaker 1: Haley had her worst debate so far. In that context,

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Speaker 1: I would put her in third place, and I would

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Speaker 1: put Chris Christy as I said, I think Chris Christy

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Speaker 1: Vike was going to be and this has been the

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Speaker 1: case the whole time. I think he's going to be

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Speaker 1: the most polarizing. I think some of you out there

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Speaker 1: he did during the debate. I think some of you

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Speaker 1: are going to say you hate it. You think he's

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Speaker 1: a twerp, you think he's a pest, and he drives

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Speaker 1: you insane. I think he equally provokes both. I like Viveke.

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Speaker 1: I thought maybe the strongest debate point was when he

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Speaker 1: asked Nicki Haley to name the three different provinces that

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Speaker 1: are being fought over in Ukraine, and Nicki Haley clearly

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Speaker 1: froze had no idea what the answer to that question was.

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Speaker 1: That was a risky move by Viveke because she could

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Speaker 1: something like, and I think it's sexist that you just

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Speaker 1: assumed that I don't know, you know. She could have

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Speaker 1: easily turned that into a CounterPunch that really landed on Viveke. Instead,

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Speaker 1: and then Chris Christy came riding to her rescue and

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Speaker 1: talked about how unfair it was that Vivek was attacking

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Speaker 1: Nicki Haley. But I thought DeSantis, coming off of his

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Speaker 1: performance against Newsom last week, which was I thought the

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Speaker 1: best performance by DeSantis in any debate. I thought this

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Speaker 1: And I think there are many of you out there,

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Speaker 1: to the extent you haven't made up your mind, that

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Speaker 1: would say DeSantis seems like the alternative to Trump. I'm

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Speaker 1: increasingly of the opinion that it's going to be what

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Speaker 1: we thought at the beginning, DeSantis versus Trump in the end. Now,

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Speaker 1: the question is do the numbers add up regardless, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing we've been talking about from the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that DeSantis. However this election cycle shakes

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Speaker 2: out there are people, and they tend to be very

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Speaker 2: very strongly Trump backing in their disposition, who say DeSantis

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Speaker 2: will never be able to run again after this or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. I think that this cycle

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Speaker 2: so far, Donald Trump has owned it and that may change,

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Speaker 2: but that would require something pretty shocking at this point.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean it can't change. It doesn't mean we

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Speaker 2: haven't seen Iowa, we don't know, and you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't know how many times we can say this because

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Speaker 2: I know, as I say this, Clay there are people

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Speaker 2: writing out emails.

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Speaker 1: Like, why are you saying it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's over. You're not saying it's over.

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Speaker 2: We're just looking at the polls right now where things stand.

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Speaker 2: And if there were outlier polls, we would look at

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Speaker 2: that too and say, hold on a second. All the

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Speaker 2: Poles say the same thing. All of them say exactly

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Speaker 2: the same impression. So in that world it would be strange,

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Speaker 2: it would be malpracticed for people who live their lives

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Speaker 2: talking about politics to ignore that reality at this point.

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Speaker 2: But point being, I think DeSantis, I think he's grown

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Speaker 2: a lot during the cycle. I think he's gotten better

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Speaker 2: on the stage. I think he's been able to show

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Speaker 2: people his approach to all of this is results scoreboard.

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Speaker 2: He's the guy who stands there, points at the scoreboard

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Speaker 2: that he has as governor, and which I would argue

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Speaker 2: as a Floridian is the best governor's scoreboard in the country,

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Speaker 2: and he says, look what I've done. I keep my promises.

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Speaker 2: I get it done.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Up to this point, still a majority of the GEO

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Speaker 2: they're still on They're still on it on Trump, right.

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Speaker 2: But that's not to say that that what DeSantis is

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Speaker 2: stage doesn't resonate and wouldn't put him in a position

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Speaker 2: I think for another election cycle. I know he wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be governor them but anyway, I think that's very possible.

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Speaker 2: Nicky Haley, though, Nicki Haley has been and it is

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Speaker 2: it is, I will say, a surprise to me, and

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Speaker 2: we should get into some more of these. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the back and forth with Vivek and Nicky Haley is

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Speaker 1: And I think that that was something we saw a lot.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: Nicki Haley, though, has been gaining on DeSantis. Why like,

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Speaker 2: what is how is Nicki Haley resonating? Because I will

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Speaker 2: say she got this in last night on stage where

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Speaker 2: she said, you know, I do better than these other

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Speaker 2: seen that polling too, so of you. Is that what's

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Speaker 2: the moderate Republicans are like, well, she's now our person.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was Ron, but now it's her. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think if you look at it structurally, Ron DeSantis has

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Speaker 1: You're not paying attention to what's often said word by

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Speaker 1: word DeSantis. Let mean look at abortion for instance, where

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Speaker 1: he signed the six week van in Florida. DeSantis's campaign

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Speaker 1: has been to the right of Trump's. And Trump has

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Speaker 1: been I think somewhat moderate in his in his campaign

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Speaker 1: so far, but Nicki Haley has been more moderate than Trump.

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Speaker 1: So I think the reason why Nicki Haley looks and

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Speaker 1: because she would. I mean, I think everybody up on

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Speaker 1: if they were the nominee, would beat Joe Biden. I

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Speaker 1: really one hundred percent do and I think Nicky Haley

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Speaker 1: would slaughter him.

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Speaker 2: And you know, here is to your point about Chris

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Speaker 2: Christian and what is his role up there? Now, I

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Speaker 2: will say the old the only time for me. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the send your kids to die in a foreign war

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Speaker 2: so she could have a bigger house, which she said,

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Speaker 2: Nicky Haley, that's harsh, but fair like you.

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Speaker 1: That's a policy sig too.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: If Vivenk is right that Nicky Haley was worth around

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars when she left the un and

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Speaker 1: now he said she's worth eight million. If that's true,

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Speaker 1: that does raise my eyebrows. I'm not gonna lie. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that is a big, massive wealth increase in the space

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Speaker 1: of a couple of years. And I don't know where

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Speaker 1: Viveate got those dollar figures from, but I actually think

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty good attack on Nicki Hayley. He went

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Speaker 1: I wonder how that happened. That's tough to do.

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Speaker 2: But the one place where I think maybe he I

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Speaker 1: That was that. That was there. There are a fat joke.

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Speaker 2: He's making a fat joke. We all know what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: Uh, here is Chris Christie. This is cut twelve where

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Speaker 5: The fact is that when you go and you say

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Speaker 1: I tease us we went to break. I thought Chris

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Speaker 2: I like the opening series of questions though, and that

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Speaker 1: Yes, which I think is fair. Yeah, I thought Megan

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Speaker 1: oftentimes that means that you did a good job letting

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Speaker 2: Chris Christi also isn't as good as I remembered him

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Speaker 2: Last night she was like, Oh no, that's not what

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Speaker 2: We'll get into more of this, more of the highlights,

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Speaker 4: Wrote that book, but now I worry I was warning

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Speaker 4: important people can understand we're marching towards fascism under Biden.

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Speaker 4: Jack Smith is a poena every last retweet that someone

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Speaker 4: The only person more fascist than the Biden regime now

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Speaker 2: I mean, we could just do a whole hour here,

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Speaker 2: You noted to me just now. They've added a couple

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Speaker 1: Yeah, CNN's going to have one January tenth in Iowa,

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Speaker 1: surprised NICKI Haley didn't know the areas of Ukraine when

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Speaker 2: A couple of things I was it wasn't clear to me,

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Speaker 2: despite all the memes I'm seeing that are being chirped

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Speaker 2: Rush never endorsed and if you're sending me a meme

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, no one, no one who was a true

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Speaker 2: listener of Rush would think that, because that's not what

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Speaker 2: the facts actually show, that he never endorsed anybody in

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Speaker 2: a primary. But anyway, back to the the foreign policy question. Uh,

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Speaker 2: on the foreign policy question, I wasn't It wasn't clear

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Speaker 2: to me that Nicky Haley didn't know the answer. I

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Speaker 2: thought she just was sort of doing the I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to dignify this with a response, because she did

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Speaker 2: shout it out later and then Vivek said that she

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Speaker 2: didn't say the right provinces, but I mean I couldn't

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Speaker 2: really hear, but sounded like she said a couple of them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't. I didn't hear it. To me, she

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Speaker 1: looked a little bit like a deer in the headlights.

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Speaker 1: And then and then Chris Christie jumped in and went

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Speaker 1: the pressure that would have otherwise been on her. Because

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Speaker 1: we have a quick clip on this one.

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Speaker 2: This is Christie basically swooping in to try to save

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Speaker 2: Nicki Haley. There's kind of a Christy Haley alliance up there. Yes,

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Speaker 2: this is kind eleven play it.

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Speaker 5: We're now twenty five minutes to this debate, and he

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Speaker 5: has insulted Nicki Haley's basic intelligence, not her positions, her

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Speaker 5: basic intelligence.

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Speaker 1: She does no reasons she wouldn't.

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Speaker 5: Be able to find something on a map that his

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Speaker 5: three year old could find. This is a smart, accomplished woman,

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Speaker 5: and you should stop insulting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's probably the best moment Chris Christy had.

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Speaker 1: I also think though, and again I'm not a I'm

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Speaker 1: not an expert on gender, you know, interactions necessarily, but

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Speaker 1: when a guy comes in to try to save a girl,

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Speaker 1: it's like the damsel in's a stress thing, Chris Christy.

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Speaker 1: Not that he necessarily looks like anybody shining night and

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Speaker 1: armor there, but he comes woping in to take the

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Speaker 1: pressure off of her, which to me made me think, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna endorse her when he drops out that That

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Speaker 1: was what kind of stood out to me. It's a

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Speaker 1: little bit like the Royal Rumble sometimes. I know you're

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Speaker 1: an old school WWF fan. Two the alliances and alliances

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Speaker 1: of course, yeah, oh he emerges the alliances that emerge

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Speaker 1: sometimes in sort of that Royal rumble. Fray for everybody.

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Speaker 1: That's when everybody's just in the ring fighting against each other,

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Speaker 1: sometimes surprising, sometimes not. But that to me was a

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Speaker 1: sign that that Chris Christy's gonna endorse Nikki Haley.

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Speaker 2: Well, what what you see up there is the Veke

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Speaker 2: despises Haley. Haley despises Veke. Christie also doesn't like Vivike,

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Speaker 2: and I think that ceiling is mutual. Christie and Haley

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Speaker 2: team up together when they can on certain issues. DeSantis

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Speaker 2: do two cents respect between the two of them. Like

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Speaker 2: I think Vivic knows if you call DeSantis stupid, everyone's

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Speaker 2: going to think you're being stupid because that's silly. He's

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Speaker 2: obviously a very high watched, very smart guy. So I

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Speaker 2: think there's a degree of respect between the two of

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Speaker 2: them up there. And then DeSantis, because he takes a

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Speaker 2: more I think a little bit of a what he

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Speaker 2: would consider a gentlemanly approach, doesn't trash Haley quite the

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Speaker 2: same way. But I think he kind of agrees with Vivic.

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Speaker 2: I think he thinks that with Vivic. I think he's

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Speaker 2: in his head going Vivic's got a point there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Nikki Haley unquestionably the most attacked on the stage.

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Speaker 1: Now Chris Christie tried to provide some cover and uh,

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Speaker 1: but Viveke went after her from the get go. DeSantis

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Speaker 1: went after her some, but I thought it was, you know,

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Speaker 1: to your point, it was more measured in terms of

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Speaker 1: the ways that he attacked her. It didn't feel as

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Speaker 1: anywhere near as personal as what Vivek was saying. But

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Speaker 1: she was unquestionably under fire the most everybody on that stage,

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Speaker 1: which suggests to me she had momentum coming in. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be only room for one person to try to

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Speaker 1: pick up the momentum once the votes start getting cast

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Speaker 1: to be a real challenge to Donald Trump, because let's

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Speaker 1: be honest right now, based on polls, and I'm about

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Speaker 1: to play the Desanta SoundBite on the polls, they don't worry,

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Speaker 1: We're not saying poles or they don't determine anything. It

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Speaker 1: ain't over until people start voting and people count the votes. Well,

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Speaker 1: that matters a lot who counts them.

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Speaker 2: But I think, Clay, this is really just about who

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Speaker 2: gets to be It's like when you already know one

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Speaker 2: person is in the championship championship match, and this is

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Speaker 2: all just figuring out there's one slot for somebody that

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Speaker 2: might be able to actually oppose Trump. They may get

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Speaker 2: trounced by Trump, but there's only to your point about

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Speaker 2: the numbers on this, there's only going to be one

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Speaker 2: person who even gets in the ring for a championship

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Speaker 2: out with Trump before this primary's over. DeSantis thinks it

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Speaker 2: should be him. Haley has been surging a little bit

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Speaker 2: recently relative to the field other than Trump. Here's DeSantis

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Speaker 2: basically saying everyone needs to stop with these polls. And

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Speaker 2: I think this subtext here is he thinks he's gonna

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Speaker 2: win Iowa Play four.

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Speaker 1: We have a great idea in America that.

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Speaker 6: The voters actually make these decisions, not pundits or pollsters.

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Speaker 6: I'm sick of hearing about these polls because I remember

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Speaker 6: those polls in November of twenty twenty two. They said

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Speaker 6: there was going to be a big red wave, it

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Speaker 6: was going to be monumental, and that.

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Speaker 1: Crashed and burned.

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Speaker 6: The one place that didn't crash and burn was in

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Speaker 6: the state of Florida.

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Speaker 1: They weren't predicting.

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Speaker 6: That I would win the way I did, and I

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Speaker 6: won the greatest Republican victory in the history of the

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Speaker 6: State of Florida scoreboard.

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Speaker 1: Yep, he's a shout now buck one thing as we

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Speaker 1: get ready to go into this next segment to think about,

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Speaker 1: and we'll take some of your calls by the way

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Speaker 1: as well, things that stood out to you. Eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and two two two eight A two January tenth, CNN

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Speaker 1: Debate in Iowa, January twenty first in New Hampshire. If

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Speaker 1: I am assessing things, Chris Christy, I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: going to make the next stage. Okay, So Chris Christy,

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Speaker 1: I think is going to have to decide to drop

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Speaker 1: out and or endorse someone that would leave DeSantis, Nicky Haley,

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Speaker 1: and Vivek. We'll see whether anybody else is surging. I

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Speaker 1: would expect all three of those guys and gals will

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Speaker 1: be on the stage January tenth, if only the second

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Speaker 1: place winner goes on to New Hampshire, right, because I

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Speaker 1: think there will be a winning Would Trump return to

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Speaker 1: the debate stage in a one v one mono a

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Speaker 1: mono or mono a woman o if it's Nicky Haley?

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Speaker 1: Would he come back in the debate arena if it's

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Speaker 1: down to one v one? Should we answer this now

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Speaker 1: or you want to answer, we can still let's answer

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Speaker 1: when we come back, because I want I'm thinking about

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Speaker 1: it too. I'm not sure that I have my answer,

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Speaker 1: but it's on CNN, so there's no Fox News connection

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Speaker 1: to the extent that he's still angry about that. Should he?

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Speaker 1: You know, for I understand the argument you guys can

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Speaker 1: gonna get a on the stage and legitimize all these

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Speaker 1: lesser weights candidates early in the primary season. But when

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Speaker 1: it's one v one, if it were DeSantis or Nikki Haley,

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Speaker 1: let's say that's left standing as the clear alternative to Trump,

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Speaker 1: Travis Buck Sexton Show. Okay, we're reacting to the fourth

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Speaker 1: Republican primary debate. We'll break it down and discuss more

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Speaker 1: of this at the top of the next hour. But

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Speaker 1: as Buck said, CNN is announced that it's going to

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Speaker 1: have a primary debate January tenth in Iowa. That is

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Speaker 1: five days before the Monday, January fifteenth primary that will

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Speaker 1: take place in Iowa. I believe that is off the

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Speaker 1: top of my head. Wednesday, did I do the math

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Speaker 1: right there? Middle of the week, right before the Monday,

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Speaker 1: when the caucus in Iowa will occur January twenty first

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Speaker 1: in New Hampshire, just a few days there before the

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire primary as well. And my question for you,

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Speaker 1: for me, for Buck, for everybody, is it seems quite

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Speaker 1: clear Chris Christy is done. He's off the stage. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna, I think Endorsnicky Hale. Maybe he'll endorse Rond

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Speaker 1: de Santis one or the other he's told us, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see it. Sounded the tea leaves look like Nicki

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Speaker 1: Haley the way he was behaving on the stage yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna have on January tenth. I would guess

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Speaker 1: the vike Ramaswami, Nicki Haley, ron de Santis, although the

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Speaker 1: veke is not polling that well that I have seen

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Speaker 1: in Iowa. It could end up Buck just being Nicky

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Speaker 1: Haley and Rond de Santis. But at most there would

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Speaker 1: be three people whatever happens in Iowa. I would suggest

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Speaker 1: to you that if you don't come in second or

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Speaker 1: third in Iowa at a minimum, you should drop out.

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Speaker 1: I would really argue if you don't come in second,

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Speaker 1: you should drop out. So to me, Iowa is a

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Speaker 1: test to see who's going to go head to head

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Speaker 1: with Trump, But as you know, should for the benefit

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Speaker 1: of the country doesn't really move the needle. With some

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Speaker 1: folks in politics, it's do they have the money, do

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Speaker 1: they like the attention? Is it good for the brand?

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Speaker 2: And they'll continue on throw not casting expersions on anyone

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Speaker 2: particularly candidate. But I do think there are one or

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Speaker 2: two who will stay in not way beyond their expiration

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Speaker 2: date in terms of being viable.

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Speaker 1: I think by the end of New Hampshire we will

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Speaker 1: have only one candidate still remaining against Trump. I think

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Speaker 1: that is where we are headed. So my question is

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Speaker 1: January twenty first or January tenth. I think Trump has

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Speaker 1: been one hundred percent right in refusing to debate early on.

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Speaker 1: I think the math on the polling has also reflected

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Speaker 1: that he made the right choice. But as you get

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Speaker 1: down to one or two or three other contenders, does

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Speaker 1: your calculus on Trump on the debate stage change? Would

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Speaker 1: it make sense? You know, Trump loves going on For instance,

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Speaker 1: CNN back in the day he did the town hall

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Speaker 1: that basically got the former head of CNN fired, even

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Speaker 1: though I thought it was a really enjoyoyable town hall,

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Speaker 1: and also at the top of the next hour will

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Speaker 1: debate this. Is this the wrong move by the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party to give CNN arguably the two most important debates

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Speaker 1: of the Republican primary cycle. I think that's a really

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Speaker 1: interesting question. But for you, Buck, does it make sense

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Speaker 1: if it's Trump? You know, one v two there's only

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Speaker 1: three or four people now on the stage. Does Trump

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Speaker 1: owe it to Republican primary voters to get on the

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Speaker 1: stage now that the winnowing has occurred and we're down

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Speaker 1: to only a few. My answer is yes, And let

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Speaker 1: me tell you why, Because I really do believe Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden will use Trump not debating as the foremost evidence

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Speaker 1: of why he's not going to debate Trump in the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election. And if Trump wants to beat Biden,

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Speaker 1: if he gets on the stage in the Republican primary,

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Speaker 1: it allows him to kneecap the argument that, oh, he

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Speaker 1: didn't debate either, and so now Biden can get away

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Speaker 1: with it. So I think from a calculus perspective, that's

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Speaker 1: why I would advise Trump now. I would have advised

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Speaker 1: him prior when they're seven, eight nine candidates, No, you

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Speaker 1: get down to two or three, I would say yes,

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Speaker 1: what about you.

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Speaker 2: I think Trump I would love to see him debate

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Speaker 2: because it feels it does feel like it's the JV

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Speaker 2: Team without him there. I don't and that's not the

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Speaker 2: fault of the people who aren't Trump. But I think

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Speaker 2: the only way you're gonna see Trump on a debate

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Speaker 2: stage and I'm not even I'm not even confident that

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Speaker 2: this would change anything. But the only way is if

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Speaker 2: he lost Iowa and started to feel like there was

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Speaker 2: pressure to show everybody why he should be the guy.

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Speaker 1: But then that feels desperate to me. If he loses

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Speaker 1: something and then panics and ends up on the debate stage, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm just that.

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Speaker 2: Other than that, I don't think he does it right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if he wins Clay, He's definitely.

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Speaker 1: Not going do you think But and let's we'll come

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Speaker 1: back to the top of the hour, will continue this

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Speaker 1: on some left well, also take some calls. We promised

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Speaker 1: the folks they will weigh in. Yes, do you think

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Speaker 1: though that hurts him in giving Biden a cover for

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Speaker 1: refusing to debate him in twenty four If Trump never

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Speaker 1: debates in the Republican primary and Biden obviously isn't either,

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Speaker 1: then Biden can say, well, Trump refused to debate, why

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Speaker 1: would I debate him. That's what I've been saying. He

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Speaker 1: will say, and I believe he will do that.

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Speaker 2: And I think if Trump does debate people in the primary,

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Speaker 2: it makes that argument harder to make him get a

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Speaker 2: Wain's That's what I think is the best benefit to it.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll take your calls. We promised we would

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and two two two eight a two. You

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Speaker 1: can weigh in fourth Republican primary last night. What stood

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Speaker 1: out to you? What did we miss? Also, good decision,

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Speaker 1: bad decision to go to CNN. Should Trump in the

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Speaker 1: final two or three get on the stage with those

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Speaker 1: guys in gals, we'll talk about it. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: to playing Buck