1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Will the love basketball, golf, soccer or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport. There is a contest for every fan fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. So Terry Bradshaw got some 6 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: Twitter heat because he came on my show The Herd 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: and he said, I wouldn't coddle Aaron Rodgers. I wouldn't 8 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: baby him. I just forced him to play, which, by 9 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: the way, green Bay can do, and it may be 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: the best remedy for at least one year because the 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: salary cap dead money hit would be so punitive if 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: they moved him. The reality here is Aaron Rodgers doesn't 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: have a no trade clause. They can send him largely 14 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: wherever they want to me the place that makes a 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: lot of sense isn't Denver. It's New York. The Giants 16 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: have two first round picks next year, two third round picks, 17 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: and two fourth round picks, So green Bay could get 18 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: a first, a third, and a fourth just next year 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: and it wouldn't damage the Giants rebuild, and it would 20 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: absolutely help the Packers rebuild. I'm more of a rip. 21 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: The band aid off guy to me, I'd rather just 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: move on fast. But it doesn't necessarily make great sense 23 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: for the Packers and it doesn't make great sense for 24 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: the Giants. I think you can make this move at 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: the trading deadline in October next year. You don't have 26 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: to make it now, and you don't have to make 27 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: it before the season, nor do you have to wait 28 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: until after the season. Let's see if Daniel Jones can play. 29 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: If he starts off six and one, eliminates the turnovers. 30 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: He's young, he's cheap, he's athletic, and he's winning. So 31 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: Green Bay moves off Aaron would have their own first 32 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: and two other firsts. The Packers historically pretty good at 33 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: drafting and developing. That also gives Jordan Love another six 34 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: seven eight weeks Ota exhibition season camp, seven eight weeks 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: behind Aaron Rodgers. If Jordan Loves not quite ready, give 36 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: him six or seven weeks watching Aaron play for the Packers. 37 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: With that, we bring in Chris Ballard used to work 38 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 1: for the Bears as their director of pro scouting, then 39 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: hooked up with Andy Reid in Kansas City. He was 40 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: the director of their football operations and is now the 41 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: very successful general manager of the Indianapolis Colts. So Chris, generally, 42 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: you know you've told me this before, and I agree 43 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: with this. My theory on the draft has always been, 44 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: once you have your quarterback, I would trade down as 45 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: much as I could. In fact, if you gave me 46 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: a ten year guarantee no more firsts two seconds, as 47 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: long as one of the seconds is top seven eight picks, 48 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: I would take that. This year, you didn't move as much. 49 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: I think you made a pick later in the draft. One. 50 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: This felt a little different in terms of Chris Ballard drafts. 51 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: That to me, it felt different. You went and got 52 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: the same You went and got two defensive ends early. 53 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: Some said, how come you didn't address left tackle. You 54 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: must be comfortable with who you have. So the people 55 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: that are saying, you know, that didn't look quite like 56 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: a Chris Ballard draft, you would say, what that all 57 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: of the unknown information. It's easy to move down when 58 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: you've got all the information and you feel really comfortable 59 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: with the depth of talent in the draft. So we didn't. 60 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: We thought there was plenty of good players. But saying that, 61 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: we just didn't feel the need to collect, you know, 62 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of picks from three, four and five to 63 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: move down. So if we felt at every any trown 64 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: that if we like the player that we were going 65 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: to take and he had the character to match, and 66 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: that's a big thing with us, Colin. I mean, like 67 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: sometimes I wonder there's times I think we're almost too 68 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: hard on the character aspect of it. But a lot 69 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: of times and just you know, as long as I've 70 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: been in the league, and when I look back at 71 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: any myths that I've had and been a part of, 72 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: and I've been a part of a bunch of them, 73 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: usually it occurs because of some character fall. Whether it's 74 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: work ethic, whether it's instincts, whether it's toughness, there's something. 75 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: It's usually not talent. It's usually a character fall. So 76 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: we just said this year we're gonna be a little 77 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: more conservative and if we come across players that we 78 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: know one are gonna make us better. Two we're at 79 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: a position that we cove it, which you know, defensive 80 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: fronts always going to be one. We covered um and 81 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: three UM fit the character profile that we won, and 82 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna take the player. Yeah, Tom Talesco 83 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: is a buddy of mine. He's very much along those 84 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: lines they say when I spent I went and spent 85 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: um a night in their war room during the draft 86 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: the first round a couple of years ago. And you know, 87 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: after the side of the board there's red dots and 88 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: black dots for injuries off the board, character off the board. 89 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: There was something by the way, there's some good players. 90 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: There was an and his theory was always takes one 91 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: or two guys in a locker room can tear it apart. 92 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: You just you just doesn't matter how good your culture is. 93 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: So and by the way, Parcels was very much like that. 94 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: He didn't want any nonsense. I totally get that. Now, 95 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: you did take a player, one of your defensive ends 96 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: had a little bit of an achilles tendon problem. So 97 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you play football long enough, Chris, you 98 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: get hurt. So when you take one of your early 99 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: picks had an jury history, how do you weigh that 100 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: The talent was so high that we thought that it 101 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: was worth the risk. And then when you combine that 102 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: with you know where he was at in his rehab process, 103 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: our medical information from our doctors. We had him do 104 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of work on it and you know, we 105 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: thought we thought Dio Dio was a you know, we 106 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: thought he was a first round talent, and to get 107 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: him at fifty four we felt pretty fortunate to do. 108 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: And then anytime you're able to add a disruptive player 109 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: up front is hard to do in the draft, especially 110 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: later in the draft. Any you know, usually when you 111 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: look at the defensive ends in this league, I'm sure 112 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: you're going to get some that that show up and 113 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: later in the draft, but the majority of them are coming, 114 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, early in the draft. So when you can 115 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: get a big disruptive player at fifty four, we just 116 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: thought the risk, it was worth the risk. I'll never 117 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: forget last year and we took Julian Blackman third round, 118 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: and we got a lot of questions on the pick, 119 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: and we kept wondering because we had Julian at one 120 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: point at the back end of the first round and 121 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: we ended up kind of kicking him down a little bit, 122 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: but you know, he had an ACL and I just said, look, 123 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: what's the worst case scenario when we're gonna get him back. 124 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: Can we live with that? And is the player good 125 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: enough worth the wait? And we thought it was worth 126 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: the way, you know, it's the draft is funny. You're 127 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: seeing more and more GMS give up first round picks. 128 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: I always had two basic kind of theories on the draft. 129 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: I would rarely ever take a running back in the 130 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: first round, but I feel like i'd almost take one 131 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: every other year, like I do. Think you cannot have enough. 132 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: You need about three in this league. Now, urban Meyer 133 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: got some heat for taking a running back in the 134 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: first round, and I'm like that whole bell cow running back, 135 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: then you've got to be careful. McCaffrey's injured, now, Zeke's 136 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: yards per carry, So I would be So if I 137 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: was a GM, I would draft a running back two 138 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: out of three years. I'd never do I'd rarely do 139 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: it in the first My other takeaway has always been 140 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: kind of with pass rushers, which is you kind of 141 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: break rules for pass rushers. How many on average? You 142 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: just you just do what you gotta do to get 143 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: pass rushers on average in your life Bears Chiefs, Colls, 144 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: how many elite pass rushers per draft on your grade board? Poh, 145 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: it's I would tell you too. It at most in 146 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: a draft wow, where you just say you know what, 147 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: there's a no brainer, and I want you to think 148 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: back to our history, like like I look back to Chicago. 149 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: So we had Alex Brown, who was a fourth round pick, 150 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: really good football player. We traded for Wallet Gounlier, you know, 151 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: Jerry and Bobby to Paul. He made a great trade 152 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: and he kind of helped us and put that great defense. 153 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: We had a No. Five six and then we signed 154 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: Julius Peppers for you know what a one hundred million 155 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: and he was worth every penny of it, all right, 156 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: can you go? And then you go to Kansas City 157 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: and we had Tomba and Justin Houston and Tomba was 158 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: the first round pick and Justin was a three. Um, 159 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: you know. And then we came here and the cupboard 160 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: was pretty dry defensively, so you know, we had to 161 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: go out and we signed to Nico Autry Um, which 162 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: initially we played him at the three, then we kicked 163 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: him at the end and we signed you know, Justin 164 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: Justin Houston. UM. So we've been kind of just piecemelling 165 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: it here and so now we're just trying to throw 166 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: as much as we can at talent. We've got some 167 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: other young players that we really like, and Taekwon Lewis, 168 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: who played really well for us last year. We have 169 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: another young rusher in Komoco Terray who is really talented. 170 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: It's just had some bad luck with the knee. Um. 171 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: So we've got some young kids here that we think 172 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: can also you know, get into the mix. We signed 173 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: Rochelle from that can, that can that can play a 174 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: really significant role for us, that played good football in 175 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: LA and then we have Mohammed back. You can't do 176 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: it with just You got to have an eight man rotation. 177 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: I fullheartedly believe this to especially now that you're talking 178 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: about an added game. We're talking about seventeen games. But 179 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: to get through the entirety of the grind of the 180 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: season and to make a real playoff run, you've got 181 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: to be able to keep your snaps down on the 182 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: front and you've got to be able to play eight 183 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: or nine guys through the course of the season and 184 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: be successful. So you can't have enough defensive linemen on 185 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: your football team. If you just look at the runs 186 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: that have meet. Look at Tampa last year when they 187 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: got hot, I mean they had a good rotation going, 188 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: and I know the two top front lines guys get credit, 189 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: but they weren't playing one hundred percent of the snaps. 190 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: You go back to Frisco the year before. You know, 191 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: they lost in the Super Bowl, but they had a 192 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: good rotation of ends. That's one of the things we 193 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: really believe in. So I just anytime you got a 194 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: chance to take it this rough diffront player, you just 195 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: do it. You just take them to call on Coward 196 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: Podcast Proud to be presented by FanDuel. 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So when you're gonna 214 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: when you're gonna eat up some of that contract. You're 215 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: having discussions with Frank Riich. This is not something you 216 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: just you'd have a cup of coffee in the morning 217 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: and do I know your diligence. Take me to the moment, 218 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: the drive home, the drive to work, the discussion, the 219 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: moment when you Chris Powder said okay, I'm going with 220 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. We're doing it. You talk me into it. 221 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: We had been having long discussions and you know, you 222 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: wish there was just like an Eureka moment, like all right, 223 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: no doubt. Unfortunately, that's not how my mind works. I 224 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: have got to process things over a long period of 225 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: time and really think them through, and then decisions will 226 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: be made when they need to be made. I mean, 227 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: I've always thought that, you know, why make a decision 228 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: and before you have to, and let's think through all 229 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: the things that that the you know, all the parameters 230 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: of what goes into it, all the dominoes that are 231 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: gonna you know what the dominoes are going to be 232 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: down the line, not just now, but also in two 233 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: twenty two, two twenty three, in two twenty four. You've 234 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: got to be thinking two three years out on every 235 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: because every decision you make has an impact on your 236 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: football team. And look we look, we dabbled around with 237 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: Matt stafford um and you know, in the Rams did 238 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: a great job coming in and you know, make it. 239 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: That's the player they wanted. You know, we weren't quite 240 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: there yet. Um. And then when it came to Carson, 241 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: it's a little like Philip last year. You know, Frank 242 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: had a Frank and Nick Sirianni had a really good 243 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: relationship with Philip. He knew the offense and it was 244 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: almost a seamless transition when we brought him in. Well 245 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: almost see the same thing with Carson here over the 246 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: first month and a half, where it's this pretty seamless 247 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: transition for Carson just because of his relationship with Frank, 248 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: who also happens to be the play caller. And I 249 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: don't I don't think you can ever. I don't. I 250 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: don't think you can ever minimize how important that is, Colin. 251 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: I mean, being with coach Read and with being with 252 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: Andy for four years taught me a lot about offensive 253 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: football and how important the play caller is in all 254 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: of this. And you know Frank has a lot of 255 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: that any and the quarterback has to feel comfortable with 256 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, who's who's pulling the who's pulling the strings, 257 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: and who's pulling the trigger. And that made the Matt 258 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: made the trade for Carson a lot easier because I 259 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: knew there was a trust level between the two of them. 260 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: And trust is everything in this league, and trust between 261 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: the quarterback and the play caller is everything. Now, look, 262 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot more things that go into play. You 263 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: got to protect him, you gotta put enough weapons round him. 264 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: But if if the quarterback feels really comfortable and the 265 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: play caller feels comfortable with the quarterback, I think you 266 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: got a chance, you know, for success, Chris. You know, 267 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: ideally the owner would own, the general manager would manage, 268 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: the coach would coach, the quarterback would quarterback. But we 269 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: know that some quarterbacks like Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers 270 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: or Tom Brady. They want to say after they had 271 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: great success. We know there's some owners. I mean, there's 272 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: been a handful of owners that have actually played. Bill 273 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: Pollian told me Sunday night. He said, Jim Ersey is 274 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: about as knowledgeable. He'll watch film. This is not a 275 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: guy that meddles like. He'll come in and have an opinion. 276 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: And he said, listen, he told it actually a very 277 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: funny story on I think it was it was it 278 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: was Tony Dungee Pollion, Dwight Freeney, I forget what it was. No, 279 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: it was Dallas Clark, and you know he there was 280 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: a big discussion and ersays like, I like Dallas Clark 281 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: with Jim because he's been doing it so long. Have 282 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: there been moments with you that he comes in and 283 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: gives you a macro opinion and he walks out of 284 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: the room and you're like, Okay, I gotta sleep on 285 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: this again. It doesn't have to be specific to a 286 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: corner's hips, you know, or running backs pivot. It's just 287 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: a big world view on something. So look, I'm very 288 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: fortunate because it's good. It's it makes my job easier 289 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: because on game day mister Ersay knows what he's seeing 290 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: out there, so I don't have to come in on Monday, 291 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: and like there's no bs to the deal now, like 292 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: he knew, he knows what he was watching out there 293 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: on the field, and so he knows if we have 294 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: problem areas I can't. There's no sugar corner, like, yeah, 295 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: he's watching the same game I'm watching, So he knows. 296 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: So that makes and then it makes it easier from 297 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: a need standpoint. When you know he's looking at the game. 298 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 1: He goes, Chris, we really need to address this, and 299 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: he's I would tell you he's usually right on what 300 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: he's saying. So and yes, I'll give you a very 301 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: clear example is last year, we really like Jonathan Taylor, 302 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: and we like him in the building, or scouts like him, 303 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: or coach, everybody liked him, and I'll ever forget in 304 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: the second round, he just We're all on a zoom call, 305 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: every scouts, everybody's on it, and all of a sudden, 306 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: mister Ursay pop said and goes, hey, Chris, Chris, you 307 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: really like Jonathan Taylor. What are you doing? Go get him? 308 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: And you know, next thing you know, we're making the 309 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: trade up three picks to go get Jonathan Taylor. So 310 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: he just said, what you love, you did your homework, 311 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: go get him. Yeah, go get him. And I think 312 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: that's like, I think mister Orsay really has a special 313 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 1: for unique players, the ones that really can change the 314 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: game because you you have to have him, you know, 315 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: you can't. You got to have difference makers on Sunday. 316 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: And I think he saw that and he saw he 317 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: felt it from us, and he said, go get him. 318 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: And that's a that's a beautiful thing with A and 319 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: there's and and here's the here's what's even better. This 320 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: is not somebody else in his ear. This is him, 321 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: Like I would tell you that that's something that other 322 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: places have to deal with, where they're having someone in 323 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: someone's ears saying something. No, this is mister Erstay and 324 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: his knowledge of the game UM, and his understanding of 325 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: football and what gives him, you know, an advantage UM. 326 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: And I think it's been proven over time. Brett Veach 327 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: and Andy Reid tell the story where Brett comes in 328 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: with film it's like four years ago on Patrick Mahomes. 329 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: He said, Andy, you've got to see this kid. And 330 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: so Andy looks at it and you know, appeases him. Okay, 331 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: and it comes in like three months later. Andy, this 332 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: kid insane, And I mean it must be an incredible moment. 333 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: You were a scout. You were in the cars, you 334 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: were staying at day's ends, you were eating at Applebee's 335 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: a lot. Take me to your early career. Okay, Chris, 336 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: you're in that car. You think you've seen somebody that 337 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: nobody else has seen and you just knew it. You knew, wow, 338 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: this it's a big twelve guy and a bad team. 339 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: Was there an electric moment for you early in your 340 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: scouting career and what that feeling is like in that car, 341 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: because it may back then the cell phones weren't maybe 342 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: around as much. You had to go back to the hotel. 343 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: Take me to your first magical moment as a young scout. Golly, 344 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: I can think of a couple, you know, I mean, 345 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: like you look back, like there's times I missed those 346 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: days on the road when I mean we would go, 347 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: I mean we'd be spent. I mean, I think I 348 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: can't remember how many nights I got into Marryott, but 349 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: it's incredible. I mean it's incredible how many total nights 350 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: I have. And so I'm gonna give you two. So 351 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: I leave training camp and Texas is freaking hot, like 352 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: it's hot, and then when you hit August, it is 353 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: like you're sweating, even when you don't want to sweat 354 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: even I mean, you get out of your car and 355 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: you're breaking out in a sweat. And I've gone to 356 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: watch University of Texas workout and I get in the 357 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 1: car and I am soaking wet. But I had just 358 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: watched the corner through drill work that was incredible. I 359 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: was like, man, this freaking kid can move. And he's 360 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: got everything you want. Everything. He fit us to a team, 361 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: He's got great ball skills, he's got instincts. Hey, he 362 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: has a great season. He goes to the Combine and 363 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: I think he runs four seven four at the Combine. 364 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: And we go to his pro day and he runs 365 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: again like four sixty nine. So I go back and 366 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: this is before Twitter, before for you know, information was 367 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: out there, but nothing like nothing like it is now, 368 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: Like it would have instantly killed this kid. So I 369 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: go back with God rest his soul. Darryl Drake we 370 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: had just hired him as a receiver coach, and Daryl 371 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: and I go and I remember looking at Darryl and going, 372 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: this is how you when you like a player, this 373 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: is how we get the right forty time on him. 374 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: And I hit that clock at about thirty eight yards 375 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: and got him at four fifty four. And it was 376 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: Nathan Vasher. He ended up going to the Pro Bowl 377 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: for US in Chicago and was really a good player. 378 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: And then the other one was Chris Harris, who was 379 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: at Louisiana Monroe. I'll never forget. We were at law 380 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: Tech early in the day. I'd scouted him. He had 381 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: one game that against LSU that I thought was incredible, 382 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: and during the season, and we were at law Tech 383 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: in the spring working out a bunch of guys and 384 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: he was having his Pro day the next day, I 385 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: mean that night, and only about four or five of 386 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: us drove over to the workout. And you know, we 387 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: ended up drafting him in the in the late sixth 388 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: round and ended up being an integral part of our 389 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, defense in Chicago and so and so. Back 390 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: then when you first started this, there just wasn't as 391 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: many college football games, even on television. It just was 392 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: hard to get video of guys. If you go back 393 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: and watch the draft at ESPN in the eighties, the 394 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: reality was they didn't have video and a lot of 395 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: the players it was like my wife would gripe all 396 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: the time because we were we were still watching on 397 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: beta machines. So I thought I had a closet just 398 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: stacked with these beta tapes. I mean, he was crazy 399 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: and Jerry, like Jerry Angela was outstanding, and he was 400 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: an Jerry was an unbelievable teacher. I mean that's where 401 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: you know, that's where watching like really learning to watch 402 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: tape and identify the traits of successful players. And so 403 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: during the summer we would have to make these uh 404 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: time coach like almost get I get freaking convulsions thinking 405 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: about all the work. But we would have to timestamp 406 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: the in and out of every play to make these 407 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: cut up tapes of good and bad of players. So 408 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: I would take all summer, all our scouts with in 409 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: Chicago and we just had They would ship boxes of 410 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: beta tapes to our house to watch these, and then 411 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: we had a den downstairs in Chicago. We had a 412 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: room with all these tapes of players, their profile tapes 413 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: made up for years. So no technology and information is 414 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: a lot more prevalent than it is today than it 415 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: was then you know, Carson Wentz to me has more 416 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: of an Andrew luck personality than a Peyton Manning personality 417 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: or a certainly more than a Philip Rivers personality. That's 418 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: what it looks, that's what it feels like to me, 419 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: little understated, not as verbal, bright kid. What did you 420 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: know about his personality before you got him in the room? Well, 421 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I've got a guy that coached him 422 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: for two years when was a part of the process 423 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: of drafting him, so that that was a real advantage. 424 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: And then his college coach was Craig Bowle who's now 425 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 1: at University of Wyoming, who recruited me to University of Wisconsin, 426 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: so I had an inside there into who he was. 427 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: And then North Dakota State also, you know, still had 428 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: some coaches there that were connected with But at the 429 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: end of the day, Frank and I just have a 430 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: lot of trust. And Frank, I mean, this guy, our 431 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: head coach, is outstanding Colin. I mean, he gets it. 432 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,959 Speaker 1: He played in the league for fourteen years. He's brilliant, smart, 433 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: he's got great emotional intelligence. I mean I thought that 434 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: was the one, Like Coachree always thought had high level 435 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: emotional intelligence, And I think most great leaders have high 436 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: level emotional intelligence. And I think Frank does too. He's 437 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: just got a great way about him, um, you know, 438 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: dealing with the quarterback position, so you know his insight. 439 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: And then when you watch the tape, there's a lot 440 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: of good tape on Carson Lentz. I mean, I say 441 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: this all. I mean, I've said this a few times Colin, 442 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: but quarterbacks like you wish all of them came into 443 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: the league and just lift the league up and never 444 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: had any struggles. But there's there's a point when they 445 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: got to stand on the abyss and not jump. And 446 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: you know that's we can't let Carson jump. And I 447 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: don't think Frank will um he didn't play good last year. 448 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: I think Carson Carson admits that he didn't play good 449 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: last year. I mean I don't, and I think Carson 450 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: would tell you the same thing that you know, don't 451 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: don't put the blame on everybody else. I mean, we 452 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: all had our hands in you know what happened, you know, 453 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: back in you know, last year in Philly. Um for 454 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: whatever reason, you know, he was a part of that. 455 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean we still can't see the good 456 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: and the greatness of what's in him, and we believe 457 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: it's in there, and we believe, you know that over 458 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: time we'll get him to play at that level again. 459 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's that you have very much. You guys 460 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: remind me a lot of Green Bay. You're not going 461 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: to mortgage your future. You're not gonna I mean, there's 462 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: a certain constitution to the way you do business that 463 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: frugal is probably the wrong word, but you use great 464 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 1: discretion on character, personality. Not every free agent attracts you, 465 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: but hey, sometimes you get stars and they're human. And 466 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: I look at the Green Bay situation, and I've said 467 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: this with Aaron Rodgers, It's very possible. It happens in marriages. 468 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: They've outgrown each other a little. He's California progressive, you know, 469 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: he's he's date celebrities. He's on the front of fitness magazines. 470 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: And this is a Midwest organization, that's the IBM, that's 471 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: a proud organization. And it's easy to blame the packers 472 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: or blame Aaron, but there are times that people outgrow 473 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: each other. And I've asked I asked Bill Polian, I've 474 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: asked two or three gms about this you know, day 475 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: of the draft, Aaron comes out, stuff leaks and I 476 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: think to myself, good god, what do you do? But 477 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: go back to your career. If you ever had players 478 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: that you loved, be at Chicago, Kansas City or the Colts, 479 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: and it's just like, hey, they've grown, we don't fit. 480 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: It used to be perfect. Is that something you monitor 481 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: and realize not all marriages are you know, Joanna Woodward 482 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: and Paul Newman, they don't all go sixty years, right, Yeah, 483 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: that's normal. And you know, I just look you at 484 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: the end of the day. Here, what what we try 485 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: to do is really communicate. And I don't ever like 486 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: if we have if we have an issue, I blame 487 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: myself for not communicating. And usually most of my screw 488 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: ups have been because I haven't done a good job communicating. 489 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: And Frank is outstanding at it. I like to think 490 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at it too. But we have a 491 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: very look, we have very like the standard that we 492 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: have for the way we're gonna do, the way we're 493 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: gonna play, the way we're gonna practice, the way we're 494 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: gonna prepare. That is what it is. And I think 495 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: we've brought our young players here that that have grown 496 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: up with us understand the standard and demand the standard. 497 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: Like that's that has to be and that has to 498 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: come from the locker room like Frank and I. Frank 499 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: and the staff can beat down on it, but for 500 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: the team to be good, it has to come from 501 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: the locker room. But then we have to constantly be 502 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: in communication at all points about what's going on, what 503 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: they you know, and and don't ever let it become 504 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: a look it can be, it can be a bump 505 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: in the road. Don't let it become a giant pothole 506 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: that we can't get out of. And that usually comes 507 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: back to us just communicating with our players all points. 508 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that we're giving in or it doesn't 509 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: mean we're no. It's just about communicating and working through 510 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: any issues that we have. And I have a lot 511 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: of Like like I told our I talked to our 512 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: team on Thursday for the first time this year, very briefly, 513 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: and you know, I made sure I just have a 514 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: lot of trust and faith and the players that we've 515 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: brought into building that I think they understand that we're 516 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: going to do everything in our power to get them better. 517 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: That's that's our job. We want to do everything we 518 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: can do to get you to your ceiling as a player, 519 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: because that's going to help them financially. But on the 520 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: flip side of that, you got to give us back 521 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: something too. This can't be a one way street. And 522 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: the way you work and way you come together as 523 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: a team is important for winning. Like I still like Colin. 524 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: The team still wins. It just does. Teams still win, 525 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: and it's the teams that can come together, stay healthy, 526 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: get a little luck along along the way that win 527 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: in this league. You know, for as steady as the 528 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: Colts have been since you've been here, you have had 529 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: two of the toughest moments in the league. As a GM. 530 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: You have a coach he backs out, Thank god you 531 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: have a great backup plan. And then Andrew Luck retires 532 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: and these are like they don't happen. This isn't stuff 533 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: you go to college for. You don't Andy Reid smart. 534 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: He can't teach you that the moment of the Andrew 535 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: Luck thing, that night, did you sleep? Can I just 536 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: ask you? Did you sleep that night? So I cared 537 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: deeply about Andrew still do, still very close with him, 538 00:30:54,920 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: and like a player's health and well being long term, 539 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: it's it's important to us, it's important to me. I 540 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: can't like, I can't operate. Look, I look, we're judged 541 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: by our wins and losses. That that's that's how we're judged. 542 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: And but on the flip side of that, I like, 543 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: I cannot get not be emotionally tied. That's just who 544 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: I am. Like, I can't change who I am. So 545 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: I was extremely close with Andrew, So I understood, like 546 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: I understood, Did I did I like it? Absolutely not. 547 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: I got this beautiful quarterback that is just you know, 548 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: he's a top two or three guy in the league, 549 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: and you know we're about there and we think we 550 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: got a really good, freaking young team and about to 551 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: freaking take off and we get thrown a curveball. Well, 552 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: that's just that's life. I'm explaining it to my children 553 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: and telling them that, you know what, nobody cares about 554 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: the problem. All they care about is if you try 555 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: to if you fix it. That's that's what our league's about. Now. 556 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: Did I have some moments where you know, I'll tell 557 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: you this, cod I never had a moment where I 558 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: felt sorry for myself. And I never had a moment 559 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: where I left the organization feel sorry for themselves. We 560 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: were gonna just keep moving forward and problem solved and 561 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: try to fix the problem. And that's all you can do. 562 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it just works out. If you just keep 563 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: working at this and keep doing things the right way, 564 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna work out. I mean, that's part of that's. 565 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: Problems happen, you gotta fix them, keep moving forward. By 566 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: the way, Philip Rivers last year really outperformed. I mean, hell, 567 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: he gave Buffalo fits. Was there a moment last year 568 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: with Philip Rivers that you were sitting there, maybe after 569 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: a game with Frank having a cold one, and you thought, shit, 570 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: this old dunk can still hunt a little, this guy 571 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: can still play. It was. It was. It will go 572 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: down as one of the highlights of of like of 573 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: all the years I've been in the league, being around 574 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: Philip for a year. Tom told me that to let's 575 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: goo told me said, Chris, you're gonna you're gonna love him, 576 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: and all right, so we got COVID going on, so 577 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: we don't. I don't actually get the meat Philip till 578 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: like June, till he finally gets here, him and his family, 579 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: and it's very brief. I drove my wife and I 580 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: drove over to his house just to say hello, and 581 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,479 Speaker 1: you know, and then we get the training camp, and 582 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, we had all these COVID rules and we 583 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,959 Speaker 1: can't be around each other, and you know, we're all 584 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: wearing masks, we're all social distancing, we're doing zoom meetings. 585 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: But as the season went on, and you know, we 586 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: had a little bit of a rough start, but I 587 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: could just see the team's confidence in Philip growing. And 588 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: look that and that's because of him. He is. He's 589 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame quarterback in my mind, unequivocally, he's 590 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: a special, special leader and special teammate. As the season 591 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: went on, you could just see the confidence in the 592 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: team building on the way he played. And I mean, 593 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: Colin the guy's toe. I mean it was this is 594 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: a I mean I went in the training room, the 595 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: things black and blue. Most people aren't playing. Dude, he 596 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: don't even miss a freaking beat. He don't practice on 597 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: Wednesday for a couple of weeks, and he finds a 598 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: way to play. And he's one of the truly all 599 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: time special players to play in this league. What fun 600 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: he could still play, Colin. I think Philip Philip I 601 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: could have I mean first number one, because he believes it, 602 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: like that's half the battle, Like he believes he can 603 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 1: still play. And two, he's he's so freaking smart, Like 604 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 1: you can't fool the guy. You can't fool him. And 605 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: he's just seen so much football he'll he could still 606 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: play and find a way to be productive. That's just 607 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: that's how special Philip was. And let me tell you 608 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: where I was really proud of him. You know, because 609 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: it's hard. This game's hard to it's hard to walk 610 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: away from. And you know, we had a great talk 611 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: after the season's Look, dude, you take your time and 612 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: you figure out what you want to do and what 613 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: direction you want to go. And you know, when he 614 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: decided to retire, and I thought retired on a really 615 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: good note to his career. I was very proud of Philip. Yeah, 616 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: he's funny. He's one of those guys if you miked 617 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: him during a game, you could it could be a 618 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: TV show, that could be a network television show. He 619 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: is a for as nice a guy as he is 620 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: and all those kids, he is a trash talker. He 621 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: and Larry Bird. Hey, look when he entered between the lines, 622 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: he's gonna try to rip your throat out. And he 623 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: doesn't cuss. He doesn't, I mean, but his I mean, look, 624 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: he is competitive and he is out there to win. 625 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: He's out there to win every drill in every game. 626 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: And what made this year probably even a little more 627 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: special was And it sucks because our fans really didn't 628 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: get to know him, you know, because of COVID and 629 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 1: we were so limited. But the game's on the road. 630 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: Last year when we went on the road and there's 631 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: no fans in the stands and you could hear him, 632 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: like I'd be upstairs and you could hear him, and 633 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: it was just it was it was great because usually, 634 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, when you're in a box, you can't hear 635 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, but you could hear him, and 636 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: he just loved I mean, god loved to play Chris. 637 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: I am a I love the draft. I've said, outside 638 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl and conference championships, I could watch 639 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 1: the draft and have as much fun as watching the game. 640 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: I do mock drafts. They're ridiculous. Do you ever I'm 641 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: already looking at mock drafts. The corner from LSU Stingley, 642 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: the pass rusher from Oregon, the quarterback, you know. I mean, 643 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm already into it. Do you ever because you do 644 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: this draft? Well, do you ever look at mock drafts? 645 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: I mean, is there ever a time You're like, I'm 646 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: just gonna I just want to open this crap up. 647 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: I just kind of want to set see what people 648 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 1: are thinking, not to be influenced, but just eyeballs on it. 649 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: I want to see what they say. Well, look, I 650 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: got five kids, and I got two boys or who 651 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: are always looking at it. So they're peppering me all 652 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,439 Speaker 1: the time like, well this site as you're taking him 653 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,439 Speaker 1: note not taking him? Why not? So I'm not gonna 654 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: tell you I never look at it. Do I agree 655 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: with it all the time? Probably not. But with my 656 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: family and my children, especially my two boys, you know, 657 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 1: they're sixteen and thirteen. Um, they look at it and 658 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: they're giving me feedback at all points of how I've 659 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: screwed it up. Um, and my thinking is all jacked 660 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: up because the mocks don't have it the way I 661 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: have it. When you when you took Darius Leonard and 662 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 1: people went, oh, oh no, it was better. The other 663 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: night after we took Dio Cole, my oldest son testing 664 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,919 Speaker 1: he goes Dad. They're killing you on Twitter again. Good. 665 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: That's how I like it. Chris, it's great seeing you again, Buddy, 666 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: I love it. Congrats on everything. Can't wait for camp? 667 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: All right? All right? You bet all right? You know 668 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: the drill. At the Volume Sports, follow us on Twitter 669 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: and Instagram, rate, review, and subscribe. We also have a 670 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: YouTube channel at the Volume Sports. I love when GMS 671 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: tells stories. You know, they've all been scout you don't 672 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:06,439 Speaker 1: go to college in major, in general managering, I love 673 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: their I love their stories. This year was so strange 674 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: for the draft because there were no car rides in hotels. 675 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: You had to do so much of this off highlights, 676 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: and I think the results the teams that do their 677 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: homework will really separate this year from the teams that 678 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: did not talk. Soon The Volume