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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast. What's this week's excuse? Boys?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Round the NFL Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal

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Speaker 1: in a room filled with one hero. He's such a

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Speaker 1: big man in terms of his personality, he fills the room.

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Speaker 1: It's Mark Sessler. I'm not sitting in the power. You're

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Speaker 1: talking about yourself there. I mean, let's just be real here.

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Speaker 1: We just like we attempted to start the show about

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Speaker 1: six seven minutes ago. And you know, Dan is not

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Speaker 1: here today. He's out on vacation. Hope he's having a

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Speaker 1: great time. But he has a little manual timer that

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Speaker 1: he uses next to his laptop to see where we

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Speaker 1: are in real time in the show. And it looks

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Speaker 1: like something from nineteen ninety six. But Greg today wielding

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Speaker 1: the timer, um placed it hap haphappers Only what am

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Speaker 1: I trying to say? On top of the cough button?

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Speaker 1: And the show began an utter silence from Greg's mike.

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Speaker 1: But now we're now we're here. Well, I'm glad now

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Speaker 1: we spent a minute on that awesome story. You know,

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Speaker 1: we we gotta fill the time. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: big show. The news is so boring this weekend, Like

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Speaker 1: the best news I could find that like is like

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Speaker 1: Durham Smith signed a contract extension that we're skipping straight

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Speaker 1: past the news mark and we're gonna get right into

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Speaker 1: wide receiver rankings with their old friend Josh Norris, tight

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Speaker 1: end rankings with Danny Kelly from The Ringer who does

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Speaker 1: a great job on their draft guide, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: start going to school on the draft. As I know

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Speaker 1: you have been, including on your weekend trip in Austin

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Speaker 1: where you met you know, many adoring fans of the

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast. Yeah, I went into it, went

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Speaker 1: to Austin, visited my brother, and I know we're on

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Speaker 1: a tight clock here, Greg Saul to keep this story short,

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Speaker 1: but UM had a great time. I mean, I've never

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Speaker 1: been there before. We just picked a random city to

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Speaker 1: go to and we did have a There was a

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Speaker 1: pod listener that stopped us for a minute to say hello,

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Speaker 1: and it was a very typical scenario where he had

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Speaker 1: tried to there was I put a little Instagram post

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Speaker 1: outside I was an Austin. He explained to his wife,

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Speaker 1: we might run into this guy from this podcast, And

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Speaker 1: so when it happened in real time, it's always sort

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Speaker 1: of what you get is like the wife is like,

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Speaker 1: what is it about this person that interests you on

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Speaker 1: any level? And why did you stop down on our

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Speaker 1: vacation to speak to him? So you know it went

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Speaker 1: fairly well. That is next level though that he warned

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Speaker 1: her we might see Mark Sessler and then you delivered.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't do anything. I was just sitting there,

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Speaker 1: but you're right, I think the fates delivered. Like Destiny

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Speaker 1: the world, the podcast is very different. Mark and Justin

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Speaker 1: sitting in Dan's quote unquote power chair. I'm sitting in

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Speaker 1: the chair so that I can see Justin more importantly,

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Speaker 1: because otherwise Mark and I would be sitting next to

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Speaker 1: each other on the same side of the desk, like

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Speaker 1: that couple who sits that way at restaurants. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Justin is part of that couple. He's laughing because it's true.

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Speaker 1: If you're in a booth, I mean, what else are

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Speaker 1: you gonna do? I agree, the booth is separated far

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Speaker 1: apart from it. You know you want to be on

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Speaker 1: that same both, Yeah, but I just mean out of

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Speaker 1: like a two time and not a you know where

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Speaker 1: it's like a bank cat that other people share in.

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Speaker 1: You're you're both at the same side. That's too much. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I agree. I want to look great. Struggles with the

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Speaker 1: human contact element of things sometimes, so there's that baked

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Speaker 1: into it, even with my wife. Let's not wait any longer.

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Speaker 1: Let's get Josh Norris of Underdog. I'm really not I

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Speaker 1: I'm going on vacation though tomorrow and said, this is

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Speaker 1: the last big thing I'm gonna do. Um, but before

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Speaker 1: I go, I wanted to I wanted to learn. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to go to school. I thought, what can we

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Speaker 1: do today so that we get smarter about the NFL Draft?

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Speaker 1: It's coming. The draft is in less than a month,

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Speaker 1: Mark and I are starting to cram, and the best

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Speaker 1: way to cram is to get on intelligent draft analysts

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Speaker 1: like Josh Norris from Underdog Fantasy. Welcome Josh, gentlemen, great

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Speaker 1: to see you. This is a smooth operation. I am

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Speaker 1: joining today and already I believe of the one thousand,

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Speaker 1: four hundred and eighty three episodes you all have done,

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Speaker 1: this might be number one research. He knew the episodes.

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Speaker 1: We don't even know the episodes. Sixteen away from fifteen hundred,

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Speaker 1: then we're almost there, I mean, hopefully I'm invited back

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Speaker 1: for the celebration because again, this is going to set

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Speaker 1: a record record setter today. I'm through to be here.

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Speaker 1: I am a listener. I hope everyone knows this. I'm

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Speaker 1: a listener. In fact that Greg, I feel like in

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Speaker 1: your position, I must say that Grave Digger didn't even

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Speaker 1: bring up his music when joining the show today, Like

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Speaker 1: this needs to be mentioned at the top. That's a

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Speaker 1: good point. Who is speaking? Hey, sorry about that one.

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Speaker 1: Get a little loose when Dan's not here, you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just like but the substitute teacher pops in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just like, it's just like me with my children.

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Speaker 1: Ain't no respect. You can be rest assured Dan will

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Speaker 1: not be listening to this episode. He's who knows where

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Speaker 1: he is right now. But so Underdog Fantasy getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of pop the last few years. Josh Norris famously

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Speaker 1: nailed his mock draft two years ago, and then we

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Speaker 1: had a battle between Mark and Josh going into last year,

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Speaker 1: which was highly contested. I don't know who won that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if a winner was ever claimed. Mark

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Speaker 1: your thoughts, well, the storyline out of that draft, you know,

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Speaker 1: we were in Las Vegas, tracking my mock you know,

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Speaker 1: picked by pick in yours as well, but it was

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Speaker 1: Crave Digger who at in the eleventh hour created a

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Speaker 1: mock that totally totally dropped a bomb on my results.

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Speaker 1: So I don't remember how you fared in that. Now,

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Speaker 1: all that I know is last year doesn't matter. And

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Speaker 1: almost like it's almost like f them picks. To be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, where went all in for one draft

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Speaker 1: you know, And who knows what happens this April? Mark?

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Speaker 1: weekend in April? What better time? Right? Absolutely, we had

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Speaker 1: that chao. So instead we're just gonna do wide receiver rankings.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go to school, We're gonna figure this out.

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Speaker 1: And we haven't really talked about these guys as much.

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Speaker 1: I think this wide receiver class is different and difficult

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Speaker 1: because they're all built like you Greg, like they're all

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Speaker 1: Mark might have been a better comp like I'm five five,

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Speaker 1: Eddie Royal because he had over a thousand total yards

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Speaker 1: his rookie season and then it fell off a cliff.

432
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Speaker 1: But he was almost of the same stature who with

433
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Speaker 1: the ball in his hands was electric. Um I am

434
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 1: totally with you there on this point. Just going back

435
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Speaker 1: to Jason and why he's at the top is I

436
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 1: don't think he necessarily runs the routes as they are

437
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 1: on paper, in that he will like manipulate or change

438
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 1: it based on like the defense and the coverage and

439
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: all these other factors. With the spatial awareness that he has,

440
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: I think Zave Flowers is like a bit more robotic

441
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: in his you know, like I'm gonna run what's right.

442
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 1: You can't pay for that, That's that's smart, That's um.

443
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Speaker 1: That's why I wondered, Steve Smith is writing for Underdoor,

444
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: working for Underdog right now, how did that negotiation go?

445
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 1: Because he really liked Zay Flowers. He said he sort

446
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 1: of reminded him of himself, And I was like, okay,

447
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: I don't I don't quite see that yet. He's certainly

448
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: not as like as physical as Steve Smith was as

449
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: a player. But I am curious just like how how

450
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 1: that was bringing in Steve Smith to the company. Does

451
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 1: he like leave food in the fridge at work? Like,

452
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Speaker 1: what's what's he like around the office? Right? Yeah? He

453
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: leads all the all hands meetings every Monday at noon Eastern.

454
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Speaker 1: That's what he does. No, your timing could not be better.

455
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: This morning we recorded what I planned to be about

456
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Speaker 1: a forty five minute episode that turned into probably an

457
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Speaker 1: hour and a half with Steve Smith. I don't know

458
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Speaker 1: if you've ever had him on the show, but he

459
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: he just grabs it by the horns and takes it

460
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Speaker 1: wherever he wants to go. So it was it was

461
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Speaker 1: an interesting dynamic. Um, I'm not I listened to what

462
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Speaker 1: you said or what you heard him say, and I

463
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Speaker 1: thought it was going to be the same thing. And

464
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Speaker 1: I came away thinking that maybe he misspoke at the

465
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Speaker 1: front on say Flowers, like I don't think he necessarily

466
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Speaker 1: believes they played the same exact spot that he is

467
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: that movement guy that you talked about, like Steve was

468
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: an X and it's crazy that everyone always plays like

469
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: compares these small guys who wouldn't big to see every

470
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Speaker 1: single year and will for the next twenty years too.

471
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Speaker 1: But I think that he likes how competitive Zay Flowers

472
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Speaker 1: is after the catch in terms of just being almost

473
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Speaker 1: a runner with the ball in his hands, and I

474
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Speaker 1: think that's where his I thought syem shows up the most.

475
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'd be excited. I mean if my team

476
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Speaker 1: got Zay Flowers is like he'd be an exciting player.

477
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Speaker 1: I just I'm not putting him like in that category.

478
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Speaker 1: To me, it just seems like there's a lot of

479
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Speaker 1: these guys and different people are going to have different

480
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Speaker 1: opinions and twhy like maybe the third or fourth receiver

481
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Speaker 1: in this class feels very similar and grading to the

482
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Speaker 1: twelfth and I have a feeling a lot of mocks

483
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Speaker 1: are going to get blown up. You mentioned X receivers

484
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Speaker 1: that kind of brings us to your next tier. So

485
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Speaker 1: you had a tier more of four more players, and

486
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Speaker 1: it starts with your number four is Cedric Tillman, a

487
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Speaker 1: little surprising out of Tennessee. And then Quentin Johnson who

488
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Speaker 1: some people love. Ben Solac over at the Ringer. I

489
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Speaker 1: saw him had number eleven overall, as his player did.

490
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremia doesn't have him that high, but he has

491
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Speaker 1: him pretty high. I saw the thirty third team. I

492
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Speaker 1: don't know who made the ranking. They had him number

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Speaker 1: two overall like Quentin Johnson. So Cedric Tillman not as

494
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Speaker 1: big as Quinton Johnston. You have them four and five

495
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: Tillman from Tennessee bigger receivers in a class full of

496
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Speaker 1: small receivers. Why do you like Tillman so much to

497
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Speaker 1: put him up that high? He just said something round

498
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Speaker 1: me of Corey Davis as like one of the bigger

499
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Speaker 1: body guys who does all the difficult stuff, like the

500
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Speaker 1: dirty stuff over the middle of the field. You know,

501
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: if you need a slant, if you need an in

502
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Speaker 1: cutting route. There aren't that many in this class that

503
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Speaker 1: like have that size that can win that. I think

504
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Speaker 1: Johnson is the more intriguing conversation because he is a

505
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Speaker 1: big body, like you said, six two and three quarters

506
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Speaker 1: two hundred and eight pounds. The big plays are incredible.

507
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Speaker 1: I mean, he averaged twenty two, eighteen and seventeen point

508
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: eight yards per reception over the last three years, but

509
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Speaker 1: he plays so small man like he here's the number

510
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Speaker 1: for you, nineteen four smiss tackles, which is third best

511
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: in this class. Yet I think he only yeah eight

512
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: of twenty three contested targets over last year. He came

513
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Speaker 1: down with twenty two of fifty four over the last

514
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Speaker 1: three seasons. That's one hundred and twenty fifth among wide

515
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Speaker 1: receivers in the twenty twenty three class. Like, we'll get

516
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Speaker 1: to some of these other smaller guys, but they might

517
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Speaker 1: win thirteen of eighteen, So it's it's weird he has

518
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Speaker 1: because everyone was so terrified of his speed in the

519
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Speaker 1: Big twelve, these runways to go through and because of

520
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: that you see these awesome big plays. But whenever he's

521
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: either working back towards the quarterback or over the middle

522
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: of a field, when he actually has to face contact

523
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: to me, kind of goes invisible. And that showed a

524
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Speaker 1: major factor in that Georgia game to end the season

525
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: where I think he only had one catch for five

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Speaker 1: yards against kiey Ringo, who obviously is another prospect in

527
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Speaker 1: this class. I mean, I know, you're thirteen of eighteen

528
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Speaker 1: contested catches. Guy is Josh Downs, who you're pretty fascinated with,

529
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Speaker 1: and we can get to him into a second. But

530
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Speaker 1: Quinn Johnson, don't think he's just someone that you're going

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Speaker 1: to have teams around the league that say, yeah, there

532
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: are a lot of chess catches. Um he vanishes in

533
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Speaker 1: certain games, but just the physical specimen in this draft

534
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Speaker 1: specifically too, where there was not a good free agency

535
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Speaker 1: crop and he's a different looking receiver than others that

536
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Speaker 1: you're get he would he be overdrafted or would if

537
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 1: in a different year, maybe he gets tiered in a

538
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Speaker 1: different place. But the idea of him and what the

539
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Speaker 1: potential is and what he could become is going to

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Speaker 1: fascinate someone to grab him earlier than we might think. Yeah,

541
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Speaker 1: for sure, I just think that they would be making

542
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Speaker 1: the mistake doing that. But I can be totally wrong

543
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: with this stuff. You know, Nope, you couldn't. It's never happened,

544
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Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. Who does he remind you of?

545
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Speaker 1: Because did you mentioned Martavis Bryan as a company? I did,

546
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Speaker 1: I did, But even Martavis was even I think more's

547
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Speaker 1: Mark physical, though, I mean, at least in terms of

548
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Speaker 1: his body. He's not like as skinny as Mark Davis Bryant.

549
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying that the frame is exactly

550
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: the same, but you know, the inconsistency that we get

551
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: from production wise from Gabriel Davis on a week to

552
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: week basis, I think that's what we will get from

553
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Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson, where there are going to be some games

554
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: if he doesn't hit a big play, he might just

555
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: be silent. And I'm a little bit terrified of that.

556
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: So it really does go ahead. I was gonna say

557
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: that the thirty third team thing I was talking about.

558
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: So that's a website that's run Michael Mike Tannenbaum. Well,

559
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: he listens to the show. He we called him out

560
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: last week and I said, maybe I'll even hear this

561
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: because he listens to the show in the Daniel Jeremiah episode.

562
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's listened to the Josh Morris episode.

563
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll find out if he ranks, you know,

564
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: DJ over Josh Norris in terms of draft pedigree. He

565
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: owns it. I think I think he's running this thing

566
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: and it's all former NFL evaluators, personnel evaluators, and their

567
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: big board has Johnston's second. So I think that shows

568
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: you how like kind of old school NF felt. To

569
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: Mark's point, I think, dudes, maybe look at this guy.

570
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: And by the way, they have Roderick Jones the tackle

571
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: from Georgia first. That's pretty wild too. Did you have

572
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: a chance to watch Johnson yet, Yes. I thought he

573
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Speaker 1: was just like, well, I agree with you. He seemed

574
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Speaker 1: like he's going to be a player that's very frustrating

575
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL that he probably could he could produce

576
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 1: in the right situation, and he could get open like

577
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: he's explosive in the short area. So I think that's

578
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: why it was exciting. Is a guy that big who

579
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Speaker 1: is explosive. I think he can get open relatively maybe

580
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 1: for a bigger guy, but will be inconsistent, like not

581
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: tough at the catch point. You're right, and we'll probably

582
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: be frustrating, like a frustrating guy if you take him

583
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: high to go back. I kind of asked Steve that question,

584
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: because again, no one's better at like playing bigger than

585
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: your size than he is, and like, is that something

586
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: coaching can take up in terms of just hey, utilizing

587
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: this six foot nine frame when you when you have

588
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: your wingspan instead of like playing like your five to eleven.

589
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: And I almost believe Greg it comes like from the individual,

590
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: It comes from within somehow and like competitive. So I

591
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: can't really answer if he's going to improve that with

592
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: NFL coaching because you kind of think with all these opportunities,

593
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean, fifty four of them over the last three years,

594
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: and we just haven't seen any development with it. But

595
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: that's not to say, like if he does get drafted

596
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: mark that he's going to be a zero. But he

597
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: already has that insane deep speed, that he will hit

598
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: big plays no matter what. But if we got like

599
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: plays big plus big plays, then I'd be much more

600
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: comfortable feeling good about him in the first round. Yeah,

601
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: zero would be a problem for all involved, no doubt

602
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: about that. I love that you put Tilman though fourth

603
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: before we quickly wrap up the thing was because I

604
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: watched Tilman and I really liked him a lot. And

605
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: I think the only reason he's not getting looked as

606
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: because he was hurt this last year. But when he

607
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: was on the same team as High and I know

608
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: they played different kind of spots on the roster, he

609
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: had a thousand more yards at him Like that matters

610
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: a lot to me. And similar to Johnston as like

611
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: one of the bigger guys in the class, but like sneaky,

612
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: long strides, like could be an X, like very fluid,

613
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: makes tough catches, like probably a number two receiver, but

614
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: potentially a very good number two receiver. Lanceyerlaner guy compared

615
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: him to Michael Pittman, and I thought that was a

616
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: perfect comparison. He's a Michael Pittman type player who just

617
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: goes and gets it, And to me, there's not a

618
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: big difference between him and and like I said, like

619
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: if if he's going to be later in the draft,

620
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: I would love to take him and maybe like him

621
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: more than Johnson. All right, what are you gonna see

622
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: about Doins? I know, I know Josh Downs, like you

623
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: seem to really be fascinated with and you mean frustrated

624
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: with big players who plays small. You said the opposite

625
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: about Downs, and I think also you just see the production.

626
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: You mentioned that he had like forty three percent of

627
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: UNC's targets in twenty twenty one catches and he had

628
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: ninety plus passes catches a year ago. And it wasn't

629
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: all you know, schemed up stuff. It was like I think,

630
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: only eleven the more screens. So it's like this player

631
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: seems fascinating to me. I mean again, he's another very

632
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: small wide receiver. Why do you like him so much?

633
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: I think your opinions, you see, you have them a

634
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: little higher than some other people do. Yeah, it does

635
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: come back to just someone of that size winning thirteen

636
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: of eighteen contested catches. And so like I think you

637
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: when you think about the slot wide receivers, many people

638
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: believe they were just replaceable types. So does one have

639
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: a calling card? Can they maximize or do something different

640
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: than everyone else. And I would say for Josh Downs,

641
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: it's playing bigger than his size, you know, it just

642
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: allows for more to happen for a player that is

643
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: five foot nine, one hundred and seventy one pounds. He's

644
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: I think, extremely explosive in his movements. He has like

645
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: this stop and start nature to them, and he kind

646
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: of has that JSN field for soft areas. Like if

647
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: the Panthers take CJ. Strout at number one and obviously

648
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: can't get JSN at thirty nine overall, like filling that

649
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: maybe with Josh Downs, who is truly a slot only

650
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: would make a lot of sense to me because it's

651
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: that middle of the field connection that Downs with his

652
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks at UNC two. It's um I don't know if

653
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: we've ever had a class that like lacks that top

654
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: end appeal and just has so many of these names,

655
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 1: but we know that so a number of these are

656
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: going to be extremely productive. It's just obviously landing on

657
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: the right ones in the right offense. And you look

658
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: at these draft classes and like all these receivers keep

659
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: getting underdrafted, Like all the second round receivers for the

660
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: most part, not all, but the hit rate on second

661
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: round receivers has been sky high compared to other positions,

662
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: Like guys like Pittman, was Higgins technically a second round receiver.

663
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: He was just like, there's just been so many of

664
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: these guys, and I think that'll happen in this class

665
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: because I don't think anyone's many of them are gonna

666
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: get taken, and none are getting taken in the top ten.

667
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: Maybe only three get taken in the first round or something,

668
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: but it feels like there's twelve good ones. I kind

669
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: of like the look look a Mingo. I like a

670
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: little Jonathan Mingo. Look look pretty good. I like Tank Dell.

671
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: You said stop and start like that kid can he

672
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: can stop and start. He's very very I don't care

673
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have a great forty. He's very explosive

674
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: in the first ten and can get open when it

675
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: matters where he needs to get open. And everyone's going

676
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: to have their other different little favorites, and we'll talk

677
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: about that as it gets in the job. I guess

678
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: my point is like there's like fourteen of them, and

679
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's like a huge difference after the

680
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: top two. It's it's like the year that the independent

681
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: films blew up the oscars and changed and that that

682
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: was sort of phony in a way, but it changed

683
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: everything we thought about independent film. Maybe this is the

684
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: undersized wide receiver class that changes our minds a couple

685
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: of years from now and shifts, Yeah, how we do things.

686
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: So might say it's the gregon mark here of three

687
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: and I don't like that. I don't like I don't

688
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: like that picture on the way that we discussed. I

689
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: do consider myself a tankd out. I have the confidence

690
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: to be named Nathaniel and be one of the smallest

691
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: people on the field and get the nickname tank. I

692
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: don't know how show. Yeah, we talked just a little

693
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: bit about Jalen Hyatt because this Tennessee offense. I think

694
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: it'd be funnier if I just didn't let you that

695
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: was underdog fantasy. Thank you, Josh, You've been amazing. I've

696
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: really just got to complete this. Sorry, I'm really sorry,

697
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: but we're gonna get to Danny Kelly after this break.

698
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: See you, Josh. All right, welcome back to the show.

699
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: You know, thanks for Josh. Norris felt like we we

700
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: heard everything we needed to hear from Josh. We had

701
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: reached our endpoint. Yeah, he wanted to add a few

702
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: more details, and you shut the door on that opportunity.

703
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: It's just that you're the host whenever, whenever someone says,

704
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, can I have say one more thing that

705
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: no one's ever said? No, I think it was time.

706
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: It feels like a very Rosenthal hammer swing. I enjoy

707
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: you and all my friends. I'm feeling the power chair.

708
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm so excited to let uh Danny

709
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: Kelly uh enter the program here today. Danny Kelly has

710
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: been writing for The Ringer for who knows how how long?

711
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: A long time? How long, Danny, you can jump in here,

712
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: about seven years, I think now a long time. Kind

713
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: of crazy. So a fantasy writer at the Ringer. But

714
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: he's not just fantasy. He's also their big draft expert.

715
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: He's wearing two hats, two big hats. He's got the

716
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: big board up by Danny Kelly over at the Ringer.

717
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: He's been a Seahawks fan forever and he has a

718
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: mysterious man in the background of his YouTube shot. Who

719
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: is that? Is that a Philadelphia Philly? What is going

720
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: on there? That's Ken Griffey Jr. In Washington and he

721
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: played for the Baby Ms for a spell there when

722
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: he's like eighteen years old, and so yeah, let's picture him.

723
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to start off. You didn't hear

724
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: our previous interview with Josh Nowris, I just wanted to

725
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on Jail and Highatt Danny. I think

726
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: he's he's very good at one or two things and

727
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: that will get him on the field early in his career,

728
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna have to develop from there, be

729
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: a little bit more well round a route runner, you know,

730
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: expand all that, get a little bit better at catching

731
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: the football, but overall a very explosive, big play receiver

732
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: who I think has a role. Okay, I surprise you

733
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: with that, and you don't even know what the backstory

734
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: is and you don't need to. I just hope that Josh,

735
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: here's that. I thought that was excellent Jalen Hyatt analysis. Actually,

736
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: but yeah, before we do get to the tight ends,

737
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: because we're kind of structuring this show and pass catchers

738
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: in general, wide receivers tight ends, do you haven't, like,

739
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: what is your hottest or least conventional wide receiver take

740
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: or just or a couple just like something up there

741
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: where you feel like you're a little different than consensus

742
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: at receiver. That's a really good question. I think, let's

743
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: see here, Marvin Mims is discount Jordan Addison. That that's good.

744
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: Marvin Mims in the second instead of Jordan Addison in

745
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: the first kind of play similar roles. I think Addison's

746
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: a better route runner, but generally speaking, around the same size,

747
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: both big play receivers, both a lot of production. I

748
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: like THEMS a lot. I think it's kind of strange

749
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: how he doesn't have a whole lot of hype right now.

750
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: But to me, he extremely fast, like he can the

751
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: term the expression I heard that I really liked is

752
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: he can beat guys off the dribble. He's just like

753
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 1: one step, but he's down the field and he gets

754
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: past coverage. So that's what I picture when I think

755
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: about him. So I think he has a potential to

756
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: be a steal in the draft. It's such an unusual

757
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: draft class this year because we just talked with Josh

758
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: Norris about how small the wide receivers are. But when

759
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: you look at these tight ends, I mean, they are

760
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: massive bodied individuals. There's some like literally human freakazoids. Like

761
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: entering the league at this time around, And I really

762
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: enjoyed your write up because I think it allowed you

763
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: just to use language just to describe their bodies in general,

764
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: like what these teams are going to get? I mean,

765
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: are there a couple of teams if you're thinking, like

766
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, we need a pass catcher, we need a

767
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: target far offense, It's like this might be the year

768
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: where you swing on a tight end and just maybe

769
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: let some of these wide receivers fall deeper down. Yeah. Absolutely,

770
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: I think that's It's such an interesting class from the

771
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: tight end point of view, because I think the NFL

772
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: has not had a ton of success with tight ends

773
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: in the first round. Like if you go back in

774
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: the last ten years or so, first round tight ends

775
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: generally speaking are kind of busts. Even Kyle Pitts I

776
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: think hasn't really lived up to his draft status yet,

777
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: though I do think he will eventually. But that's part

778
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: of the deal, Like it takes these guys a little

779
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: bit longer. So, on one hand, I think there's a

780
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 1: chance some of these highly touted tight ends will drop

781
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: a little bit in the draft. Rod. On the other hand,

782
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: like you were mentioning, you know, with the receiver class

783
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: kind of, I think the NFL is a little bit

784
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: split on them. I don't know if there's really any

785
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, top tier guy. There's no Chase, there's no Mr.

786
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: Chase in this class. And so we could see teams

787
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: just have a look at it more like a holistic

788
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: point of view, like we're just gonna get a pass

789
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: catch or a playmaker. We're gonna get this guy, plug

790
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: him into our offense and go from there. From that

791
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: point of view, maybe we see two or three or

792
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: four tight ends go in the first round rather than

793
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: some of these shrimpy one hundred and seventy three pound

794
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: receivers or whatever. Like to me, that's just like a

795
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: little bit worrisome. Day Flowers, Jordan Addison, even Jaylor Hyatt,

796
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: very very skinny guys. And so maybe the NFL teams

797
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: will opt to go a little bit bigger and draft

798
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: one of these other quote unquote playmakers even though they're

799
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: not receivers technically, right, Thank Dell Josh Downs who who

800
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Yeah, he's tiny, Like well, it feels like

801
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: a lot of that where it's all these guys who

802
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: I'd rather have pick a wide receiver down Tillman, who

803
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: you seem to like relatively. Um, you know, pick them

804
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: in the second, pick a different position in the first

805
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: because it's close enough, but the first might be those

806
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: tight ends as you mentioned, I'm I was a little

807
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: surprised to see Michael Mayer uh as your number one

808
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: tight end. You call them a berserker uruk high from

809
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: Helm's Deep. Do you know what that is? Great? No?

810
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, it's it's a pretty it's a pretty

811
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: great um compare. It's just this like underground, absolute, like

812
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: mythical being. Just look, just again. It looks beyond something

813
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: we would imagine from a human being. And I just like,

814
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: this is what I love about your writing. Was like

815
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: very picturesque. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm not there for that,

816
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: but I feel like it was very evocative Danny. And

817
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: as someone I saw Lord of the Rings and a

818
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: special screening before it came out with other new with

819
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: other new Line employees who were excited because it was

820
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: gonna change their lives. I lived, you know, I was

821
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: a roommate with one of them. And people walked out

822
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: of that like it was a religious experience. They were

823
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: so excited, so happy, and I was like halfway through,

824
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: I was like, are they ever gonna just stop walking?

825
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: It's just like they just keep walking, and I've, I've

826
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: it's very rare that I keep my mouth shut and

827
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: don't say anything that I'm thinking. But I just kept

828
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: my mouth shut and let them have their moment so

829
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: you can have this moment and talk. Michael Mayer. That's

830
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: I mean that what you're describing is how I felt

831
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: watching the Michael Mayor tape. So there you go. Religious

832
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: experience for me. No, I don't know. To me, it's

833
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: tough because I really like Don Kinka from Utah. I'm

834
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: guessing we'll get to him. But Michael Mayer to me

835
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: is just really complete. He's a really good blocker, very

836
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: very strong, and he's, you know, not the elite level

837
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: athlete that some of these other guys in this class are,

838
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: but he's a good athlete, is above average athlete, and

839
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: he is the type of guy who could play on

840
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: all three downs. He's not going to give away any

841
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: like formation formational tendencies or play calling tendencies. He's just

842
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: kind of like that prototypical y tight end. And I

843
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: think the thing where he separates himself a little bit

844
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: from maybe some of the other guys in his class.

845
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: Is just his catch strength at the you know, at

846
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: the catch point. Basically he in combat catch situations. He's

847
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: like unheard of good Like he's catch. Is that like

848
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: one of the new terms that's from Lord of the

849
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: Rings too? Um yeah, no, he to me, he's just

850
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: so strong. He just knows how to box out guys.

851
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: He has vice greup haants that kind of thing. He's

852
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: just so um tough and physical at the catch point.

853
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a good red zone all right, He's

854
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: gonna be a quarterback's best friend. All the cliches. But

855
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: it's I love your in your mock draft because you're right.

856
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: He led the league and among all tight ends and

857
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: contested catches. You called said he's built like a tank

858
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: and plays like one. And you paired them with the

859
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions, which is exactly sort of what they're looking for,

860
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: and they, you know, out goes t. J. Hawkinson, Like

861
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: incomes this guy who kind of fits what the Lions

862
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: are trying to do. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know they're

863
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: a take a hunk out of you type of team,

864
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: Like that's their ethos, that's their personality. And he I mean,

865
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw him interviewing at

866
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: the combine, but Michael Mayer is the most intense individual

867
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: I think I saw at that at the combine, and

868
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: you know, he just kind of gets up there. He's

869
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: like super confident. He just towers over everybody and he's

870
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know, it was hard to explain,

871
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: but he's very detroit. Lions e to me, he just

872
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell is you're just you're profiling here, You're profiling

873
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if but that makes sense, he's the most

874
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: Dan I mean, and that's what coaches do. I mean,

875
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell might be looking for the guy he could

876
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: never be because that it's not like Michael Mayer's like

877
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: some incredible blocker or anything. I know, there's like the

878
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: Witt and comparisons. But maybe he gets to be a

879
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: good blocker. But he's not a huge guy or anything

880
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: like that. But you're saying just in terms of his weight,

881
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: like the competitiveness, Yeah, just catching the ball. That seems

882
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: like an important thing for a tight end, right, And

883
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: I think you know, the Lions want to be multidimensional,

884
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: they want to run the ball. You know, they wouldn't

885
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: signed David Montgomery. They want to have the ability to

886
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: do it all kind of, and I think he doesn't.

887
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't pigeonhole them into passing or running

888
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: on any given down. So to me, that's where his

889
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: value is. And they don't have a guy that's really

890
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: coming in to replace what Hawkinson was given them before.

891
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: Our guy. Daniel Jeremiah called Dalton Kincaid a more explosive

892
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: version of zach Ertzum And you're right up your comp Cole,

893
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: And you said, I don't even want to say it,

894
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking it. What are you thinking for the

895
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: people that? Yeah, who do you think I'm talking about? There? Yeah,

896
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what it was. Just like it's

897
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: like I say it that you're teasing and I enjoy it.

898
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: People get so mad, Greg when you compare people, when

899
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: you compare prospects to the elite players at the position,

900
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 1: even though I do it all the time. Um, it's

901
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: just to me. When he moves around, he's not quite

902
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: as heavy as as Travis Kelsey, but he the way

903
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: he moves, the smoothness, the fluidity his run after the catch, Um,

904
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: it's reminiscent of Travis Kelsey. It really reminded me of

905
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey watching him. So, um, I've always said my

906
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: my sort of bit is that Travis Kelsey looks like

907
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: he's pretending he's surfing when he runs routes, like he's

908
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: just kind of like, you know, I don't even know it,

909
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: like I don't know the surfing term as well. I

910
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: think that's a good way to do it. He's very

911
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: fake it. He's very often kind of you know, weaving

912
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: through the chargers, looks like he's back on a surfboard.

913
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, so to me, he's just like fluid,

914
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: really natural, really good after the catch. Um, he doesn't

915
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: not he does not block very well. In fact, he

916
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: kind of gets rocked when he's trying to block anybody.

917
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: But um, you know, as a pass catcher, is a

918
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: pure pass catcher. I think he has potential to be

919
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: the best in this clas he's just so smooth, so athletic,

920
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: good body control, can go up and twist and contort

921
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: in the air and come down with football you know,

922
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. I want to talk more about

923
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: Kincaid because I'm I I loved what I saw in

924
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: my limited viewing. Admittedly limited but at first I wanted

925
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: to talk and I wanted to be bring our producer

926
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: Justin Graver in here too, Um, Justin. Have you noticed

927
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: the simmering bromance here between Mark and Danny? Because Mark

928
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: is a word smith, it takes it takes a lot

929
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: to impress Mark in terms of like writing ability. But

930
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: he said it before the show, he said it a

931
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: few times on the show. He really likes the way Danny, uh,

932
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, turns a phrase and that's what that's what

933
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: gets Mark up in the morning. Yeah, And I can

934
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: see the connection forming already over the Lord of the Rings,

935
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: you know, comparisons, and I can just see it in

936
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: Mark's eyes. He's smitten. I'm not gonna deny it. Like

937
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: you've won me over with the entire projects and you've

938
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: done it. Have you two ever met? Have you ever

939
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: two ever met? Yeah? Were not enough? Not enough? Is

940
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: it's put into draft guide writing, you know what I mean.

941
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: People think it's just kind of I mean it like

942
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: people think it's just like all about evaluation. But over

943
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: the years, like the evaluations kind of even out and

944
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: some of the I see out there, some of these

945
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: people making their big boards. They don't try to entertain

946
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: at all. That's where DK comes in right there. He's

947
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: the Dalton Kincaid of big board writers. I don't know.

948
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 1: To me, it'd be hard to imagine taking Michael Mayer

949
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: over Dalton Kincaid, and I could totally see why Kincaid

950
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: would go in front of all the receivers in this class,

951
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: even though that makes me nervous because of what you

952
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: said about the tight end position that it's just man,

953
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: it's just been really hard to project. But I'm I'm

954
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: almost a little surprised that Kincaid doesn't have even more pop.

955
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: I guess just because he didn't he didn't play as much.

956
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: Maybe that's it because he just looks like when when

957
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: I saw DJ Daniel Jeer my R guy like rank

958
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: him that high without the tape as much like man,

959
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: I think it's for a reason. His hands are crazy.

960
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: He shakes up tacklers like crazy, and his burst is

961
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: just wild for a tight end at that size. Like

962
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't need to see the testing. It's there on

963
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: the field, like he has balance, he has the hands,

964
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: but it's the burst to me, because I think that's

965
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: the easiest. I think the eye test does matter a

966
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: little bit and I think burst is something you can

967
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: see and like that dude is just gonna get open.

968
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: It's like hard to imagine if he's in the right system,

969
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: not making a ton of plays, and so to me,

970
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: he's more exciting and that I'm just falling for the

971
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: shiny object. And I could totally see him going in

972
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: front of any wide receiver in this class, and definitely

973
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: I would want him ahead of Mayor because you know

974
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: the you know the meme that like get shared on

975
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: Twitter all the time where it's like the guy who's

976
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden leans forward in his chair. What

977
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: he's doing doing the video games? He's got the controller

978
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: in his hands, Like this is to me what happened

979
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: when I turned on the Concade tape. Yeah, I'm like, okay,

980
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: hold on, you have my attention, because I kind of

981
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: went in like thinking, oh, he's probably a little bit overrated,

982
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: but no, I loved I loved everything about it. Is

983
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: like one of the most exciting. There's like three or

984
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: four players that you kind of like think of when

985
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: because they're like honestly going through one hundred and two

986
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: hundred players, you know, during the draft process, it becomes

987
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: a slog so he was one of like a handful

988
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: of guys that I'm just like, seriously, WHOA, this guy's awesome.

989
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: I love this player. And I think to me, you know,

990
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: you mentioned like it's hard to imagine anyone picking may

991
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: Or over him. I think, to me, it's just stylistically,

992
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: what do you want? It's kind of like the receiver position.

993
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: There's just so many different types of receiver out there

994
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: that it's almost like a vibe saying what kind of

995
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: player do you want in your offense? So I could

996
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: absolutely see Kincaid going over Mayor. It just depends on

997
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: who's picking at that point. I want the big playmaker.

998
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: That's the vibe I like. I mean, they both have

999
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: great hands. You can't tell me Dalton Kinkaid doesn't have

1000
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: great an ya, it's great hands too. No, he does

1001
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: for sure. I you know, I'm with Greg. I'm getting

1002
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: to the tape maybe a little bit later than you

1003
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: and fellow draft knicks around the country. But someone that

1004
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: just jumped out to me and I'm not alone, and

1005
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: this one was just Darnell Washington, and I'm thinking of

1006
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: a clip I saw where he was in a shifting

1007
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: situation with another big bodied individual who was six foot

1008
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: four and he towered over him because he's six foot seven,

1009
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: he's two sixty four. He's doing stuff at the combine

1010
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: with like the twenty yards shuttle that's insane. Like, I

1011
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: don't know how this guy escapes the first round on

1012
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: any level, because it's just like the concept of what

1013
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: you could do with him, and how athletic he is

1014
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: and what he looks like on a football field. It's

1015
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: just like, sign me up for the next seven or

1016
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: eight years of this individual. Yeah, I mean, it's planet theory, right,

1017
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: There's just not very many guys on the planet his big,

1018
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: that big, and that fast, that athletic. I was actually

1019
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: pretty shocked to see him. I think he ran the

1020
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: third fastest three cone of the combine of any player,

1021
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: not just tight end like of any players like Jackson

1022
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba in a corner or something. You know,

1023
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: we're faster than him in the three cone, which was shocking.

1024
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if that necessarily shows up on tape,

1025
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: but it's so here. Isn't that a problem? Everyone's like, well,

1026
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: you don't really see it when he plays football. I

1027
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: think it just tells you maybe a little bit more

1028
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: just how good of an athlete. He is not necessarily

1029
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: like going to show up in terms of his route running.

1030
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: But he's just a really good athlete. Roo can you know,

1031
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: sink his hips and all that stuff. But to me

1032
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: when I watched him, you know, he's a dominant run

1033
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: blocker in space, Like he engholfs people in the screen

1034
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: game when they get him moving in space, and like

1035
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: at the second level, he's absolutely dominant. So I think

1036
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: a team that likes using the screen game would absolutely

1037
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: love this guy. I think he's very good, at least

1038
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: above average as like an inline blocker, as a you know,

1039
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: in the passing game, and so you can use him

1040
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: as an inline guy to have that extra protection to

1041
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: the quarterback. So like he's he can do a lot

1042
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: of different things for your offense. Plus, I think he's

1043
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: got there's just a lot of meat on the bone

1044
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: in terms of his ability as a pass catcher. He's

1045
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: so big, so physical. He's six seven, two sixty five

1046
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: or you know, I think he played at like two

1047
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: eighties something. Honestly, Listen, he might slim down for the combine,

1048
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: but he's just such a dominant force in the red

1049
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: zone you could just throw it up and let him

1050
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: go get it. I don't think he's the most natural

1051
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: pass catcher of this group, but his ability to be

1052
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: a run blocker and pass bocker and basically do it

1053
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: all is what is going to get him in the

1054
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: first roun. He's probably gonna be a first round pick,

1055
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: I'd say, just because of the physical traits in the

1056
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: upside there. It reminds me of this horrible experience I

1057
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: had in high school where I played cornerback because I

1058
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: was like my size and they were like just at

1059
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: the eighteenth cornerback and there was a game where like

1060
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: seventeen guys got shredded, and so I'm out there and

1061
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: we were playing a team that had no quarterbacks, so

1062
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: they were just direct snapping to like a left tackle

1063
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: who could run fast, and there are a couple of

1064
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: scenarios where it's like, I've got this guy coming straight

1065
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: at me. Why am I on the earth right now?

1066
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: So I think that's how a smaller cornerback is going

1067
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: to feel against this Washington. I could see that. I

1068
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: could see the Titans taking that. I forget who was

1069
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: the coach at the combine who said, like some personnel gay,

1070
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: It was like it really is important to be a

1071
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: good looking team coming off the bus. I mean someone

1072
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: said that, and it's like, I don't know, but if

1073
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: you're hanging outside the bus, I guess right, like who

1074
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: is staying on that around that bus. But the Titans

1075
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: are that team that like that looked great coming off

1076
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: the bus. The Patriots like to be that team a

1077
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: little bit too, or at least in the past that

1078
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: used to. We'll see, we're gonna take a quick break, Danny,

1079
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: and then we'll wrap up tight ends in any other

1080
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: big picture thoughts before we say goodbye. Okay, we are back, Danny.

1081
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: When you looked at athletic tight ends, why didn't you

1082
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: rank Sam Laporta higher on your Big Part number sixty.

1083
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: This was the guy that intrigued me, I think in

1084
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: the way that Darnell Washington intrigued Mark just because you

1085
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: can you can see him getting again short area quickness

1086
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: where you can see him open, getting open quickly, which

1087
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: is what is going to happen in the NFL. He's

1088
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: stuck in an offense that's stuck in like you know twenty,

1089
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: you know forty seven, and so they never know how

1090
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: to use they're awesome tight ends that they have, but

1091
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: we've seen tight ends from Bio obviously have a lot

1092
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: of success. Uh, why is Sam Laporta not higher on

1093
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: your rankings? Defend your home man Um, I would love

1094
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: to see the consensus ranks. I feel like I'm a

1095
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: little bit higher than that might be true. I guess

1096
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: it was kind of like when I saw the common

1097
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: back when when I saw the combine numbers plus his tape, Like,

1098
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: his combine numbers are insane. He was like ninetieth percentile

1099
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: in most of these things. So he is a He's

1100
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 1: a freaky athlete from Iowa. I'm definitely doing the same

1101
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: school thing. But I don't care. I know I like it,

1102
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: I really do. He I think he led their team

1103
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: in receiving the last two years, and so that's what

1104
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And like is their go to guy, and

1105
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, teams know that they're going to pass to him.

1106
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: He still produces. I think all those things are very

1107
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: um critical Um. He can move, he can do some

1108
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: option routes. He can block, and he can block a

1109
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: little too because he went to Iowa, and he can

1110
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: run after catch. He's really he's like one of those

1111
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: guys that just refuses to go down. You know, it

1112
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 1: is kittle lesque. Not to compare him necessarily up to Kittle,

1113
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: but um, you know he has that run off to catchability. Yeah,

1114
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 1: maybe I am a little bit too low, and I'm good,

1115
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm convincing I do like him. I don't want to

1116
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: sound like I'm, you know, trying to tell you that

1117
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: I think he's not a very good player. I think

1118
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: he's really good. I think he's gonna be um, you know,

1119
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: the type of tight end that in the NFL gets

1120
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: into the NFL and becomes really famous because he's gonna

1121
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: catch a lot of passes. I was trying to think,

1122
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: who are the other Iowa tight ends, because yeah, because

1123
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: I think it was Greg co Sell I heard say

1124
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: something recently was like, you know, tight ends in terms

1125
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: of productions often the scheme you're in, and like he

1126
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: was calling out people that got a little too excited

1127
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: about Dalton Saltz, and maybe I was one of them.

1128
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: I ranked them very high in my tighten It's like

1129
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: he's in that offense, whoever's in that offense is gonna

1130
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: catch a lot of passes. And Sam Laport is sort

1131
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: of the opposite as George Kittles. I was trying to

1132
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: figure out who are the other Iowa tight Ends. It

1133
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: really weren't that, No no fan, okay, Dallas Clark also

1134
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: went to Iowa Dallas Clara Marv Cook, who was on

1135
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: the tight end New England, I mean the tech moble

1136
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: New England Patriots. I believe the original tech well Bill

1137
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: tight End for the Patriots. Marv Cook I also appeared.

1138
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: Who did you play with? Tech Mo ball Mark, Let's

1139
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: go around the room. But the team the original I'm

1140
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: not talking tech with super Bowl World enough. Maybe Danny's not. Well.

1141
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: I played with the Cleveland Browns and you have Kevin

1142
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: Mack just smashing through people left and right. Okay, that

1143
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: was actually a really fun team because they have Kevin

1144
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: mcan Eric Metcalf right, Well, the second one had metcalf

1145
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: and that was a sort of a bad Browns team

1146
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: that you could form into a good one if you

1147
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: had the skills that some of us had. Who would

1148
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: you play with, Danny? You're not as old as us,

1149
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: but you know I'm close. Um. I don't remember the

1150
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: actual players. I do think it was the Phil Simms

1151
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: Giant is the Giants? Was he on the Giants back

1152
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: in the day? Yeah? And they had a thing where, um,

1153
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: there was a cheat code where Lawrence Taylor um on

1154
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: special teams could literally block every single extra point. So

1155
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: if you got high scoring enough game, you'd have to

1156
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: get an extra touchdown on those Giants. I think I've

1157
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: played with the Giants all the time. I can't remember

1158
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: there's a really good running back on that team I'm

1159
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 1: blanking on. Maybe you guys remember I've been Otis Anderson.

1160
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: I think I think it was Otis. I think it

1161
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: was a lot of slants from Phil Simms. It was

1162
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: a lot of Lawrence Taylor wrecking shop. Any any other

1163
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: tight ends that excited you. I looked at a couple more.

1164
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave is not the type of guy that is

1165
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: gonna get me going in the morning. Um okay, you

1166
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: know like one of those tall like does he just

1167
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: looks like an injury waiting to happen. Like he's too

1168
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: he was injured his career too right, And he's too

1169
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: tall when you're when you're at tall, and he's not

1170
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: like great, a great mover after the catch or anything

1171
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: like that. He's gonna go down on contact. I know

1172
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: Greg Cosell loves him. Some Tucker Craft, who I really

1173
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: had heard of him till the last week or two.

1174
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: You have him branked pretty high. Any other hot tight

1175
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: end takes for you. I do like Tucker Craft. I mean,

1176
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, coming from a small school, he doesn't get

1177
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: a lot, he doesn't have a lot of hype, but

1178
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: he moves well. He's one of these big, broad shouldered,

1179
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: beefy fellows, you know, just the type of player to

1180
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: expect South Dakota State to play. Um Luke Shoonmaker from Michigan.

1181
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: I'm actually writing him up today. You know, he's a

1182
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: pretty athletic guy. He kind of writing me a cool cabet.

1183
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: Um oh, Dan, you have Musgrave twenty nine, So I

1184
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: just assassinated one of your first round picks. You got

1185
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: to defend him now. So he's literally seven minutes and

1186
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: it's just like I like, I like, don't like the

1187
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: type of player he is. You know, he's like best

1188
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: it's Mike Kasecki. You can't it's hard to watch his

1189
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: tape and be like really excited about it. But what

1190
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: you have to do is sort of project what he

1191
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: could be in the future. I think, because you know,

1192
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: he hasn't played for most he didn't certainly he played

1193
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: two games I think in twenty twenty two. Um, but

1194
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, the athleticism, the burst, the movement skills, all

1195
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: that stuff. It's like, this is what we're projecting with

1196
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: all tight ends. But it seems worse than all the

1197
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: other guys. But maybe I'm wrong. That's just using my eyes.

1198
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: And like it's kind of like Brandon Jacobs. I always

1199
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: like Brandon Jacobs was awesome, but there was such a

1200
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: such an area where you could hit him that seems

1201
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: like keeps getting hurt, I think. But that's fair. Um,

1202
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: I want to give you some context about this tight

1203
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: end class though, Like it feels like you're picking knits

1204
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: on Musgrave. But like all these guys are just absolutely

1205
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: elite athletes. So Kentley Platt does the RA score, the

1206
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: RAS score, and this goes back to nineteen eighty seventies.

1207
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: It's basically at like a it's a score that spits out.

1208
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: He spits out a score based on like your athletic testing,

1209
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: in your size and all that. And out of one

1210
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: thousand ninety one tight ends, so's just over a thousand

1211
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: tight ends going back to nineteen eighty seven. Zach Coontz

1212
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: from Old Dominion is the first most athletic. He's the

1213
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: most athletic tight end ever. Darna Washington ranks fourteenth, Luke

1214
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: Shoemaker ranks sixteenth, Luke Musgrave ranks twenty sixth, Tucker Craft

1215
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: ranks thirty seventh, Samue Laporta ranks fifty seventh. And that

1216
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: doesn't even include Dalton Kincaid who didn't test, and Michael Mayer,

1217
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: who is an above average tight end. Like this is

1218
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: an absolutely freak show group of tight ends, Like they're

1219
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: all just insanely athletic. Like you know it, I just

1220
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: cannot wait to see. I think you alluded to it earlier.

1221
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: Landing spot is really going to matter, Like Grego Sale says,

1222
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: like a lot of the times, a tight end auction

1223
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: is a function of the offense and a function of

1224
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And I believe that. I do think that's

1225
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: really true. So like if Luke Musgrave lands with the Cowboys,

1226
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: for instance, I'm gonna be extremely excited from a fantasy

1227
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: point of view, if he lands with a team that

1228
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: likes to rotate and have like three tight ends on

1229
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: the field at all times and really spread the ball around.

1230
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna be avoiding that. But landing spots can

1231
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: be key with a lot of these guys, but I

1232
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: think the bottom line is they're just really, really, really

1233
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: good athletes at the tight end position. That's why so

1234
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: many people are excited about this draft class. And Zach

1235
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: Coons you mentioned from Old Dominion is six foot seven

1236
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: and had those incredible scores. So it's just another example

1237
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: of that. And I mean it seems like even with

1238
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, it takes these NFL tight ends typically like

1239
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: till year three, if not maybe year two in some

1240
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: cases to flourish. I mean, it's just over and over

1241
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: and over. And I wonder if this is the class

1242
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: where we get because of fit, because of the way

1243
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: that tight ends are being used differently than in the past,

1244
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: Like we can reverse that trend and they can get

1245
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: some year one stars out of the gig that's been

1246
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: so atypical. I think we kin. Honestly, if you look

1247
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: back at what Pits did as a rookie, he I

1248
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: think he set the record for most receiving yards from

1249
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: for a rookie, or at least he was second to

1250
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: h too. I'm blanking on the name here. Uh you know,

1251
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: the very famous Dick Dickaway were you don't know Dicas First,

1252
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm terrible. I'm terrible with names, Mike Dickau. Anyways, Yes,

1253
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 1: so I think we kind of forget that that cowle

1254
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: pits what over a thousand yards as a rookie. Even

1255
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: last year. Um, you know, Greg Dulcich looked pretty good

1256
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: for the Broncos at times when he was playing. Um,

1257
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, we're I think we're starting to see tight

1258
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: ends get involved in the passing game a little bit

1259
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 1: earlier than you know, historically speaking has has been the case.

1260
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: And you know, offenses are changing, it's it's more spread out. Um,

1261
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, teams are passing more generally speaking, and I

1262
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: think just as we get further further along, like teams

1263
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: a tight ends coming up through the ranks are more

1264
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: athletic and have run more routes throughout their careers, it's

1265
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: the same deal with all these receivers that are coming in.

1266
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: It's like you've been playing seven on seven since you're

1267
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: you know, six years old, and you're just more in

1268
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: tune with the passing game. So, um, yeah, I think

1269
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: there is something there that we could see these tight

1270
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: ends start to be a little bit more productive early

1271
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Speaker 1: on in their career. I actually heard an interesting note

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01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: from Andy Staples this morning on the Athletic Podcast, and

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01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: he was saying, with basketball kind of losing the like

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01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: power forward position, as as like that sport evolves the

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01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: power forward position where you got like six foot five,

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01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, two hundred and fifty two undred and sixty

1277
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: pound guys or whatever, they're starting to play football instead.

1278
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: They're starting to play tight ends. So we're like seeing

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Speaker 1: more and more of these guys. I thought that was

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01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: a really interesting point. I hadn't really thought about that way,

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01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: but maybe there's something there too works out for us.

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Speaker 1: I well, right, And I look at it with every

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01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: sport like bigger, every big athlete now is the best

1284
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: big athlete in their sports history, like tennis players, Like

1285
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: big tennis players are so much more athletic than big

1286
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: tennis players used to be. It's certainly that way with

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01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: basketball and Webin Yama and everything, and now we're seen

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01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: it at like the big positions. Uh. I am a

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01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: little concern and maybe this is more of like a

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01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: next gen stats or analytics department type of thing. When

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01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: you were listing off the names of the tight ends

1292
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: you named, there's a lot of Zachs, Luke's, Tyler's, Dalton's there.

1293
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: It all seems to be in like there a lot

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01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: of Zacks and Lukes. So just just just something to

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01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: watch out for you. Okay, Danny, you're you're the best. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any other hot uh

1297
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: draft takes, but it's been a it's been a pleasure

1298
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: to have you you on and if you do like

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01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: you could just go out with some sort of mic

1300
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: drop here that we will then bring back up to

1301
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: you right after the draft or maybe after the two

1302
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: thousand and twenty three season. My favorite player in the

1303
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: draft is Devon a Chain running back out of Texas

1304
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: A and M who okayounds, I'm not saying he's the

1305
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: best player, he's my favorite player. UM. So I really

1306
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: hope he lands with the team that will use him

1307
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: and turn him into the next work done. That's all.

1308
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: Where and where do you think he might go? By

1309
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: the way, just like what's a very rough round uh approximation,

1310
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: probably late second, early third or or some some part

1311
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: some part in the like later part of day two.

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01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: I think I like that because this is kind of

1313
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: spice rakish here. Um. He always would have a former

1314
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: and current. You know, hopefully soon we'll have him on

1315
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: on the show too. Spice Rack, he's gonna be mad

1316
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: when he hears this, and and uh he we'd always

1317
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: make him stick on. One player devon a chain is

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01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: your guy. Yeah, I'm gonna think of Danny Kelly every

1319
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 1: time his name is brought up. And I'm gonna plays

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01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL. No, it's good because he's probably gonna

1321
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: be He's gonna be fun and good and if you

1322
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: nail this, the world is your oyster. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: thanks Danny, we'll see you. Thank you. All right, thanks guys.

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01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: All right, we did it. Did we get smarter? I

1325
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: think so? We talked. I mean part of it was

1326
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: like to to even hold the conversation, we had to

1327
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: do a certain amount of work going in. Yeah, smarter

1328
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: from that and then got smarter from these two fellows. No,

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01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: it is good. The more you put into it, the

1330
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: more you get out on Draft day two and maybe

1331
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: we're basic is here, but it's like it's more fun

1332
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: to talk about these skill position players. Yeah, I think

1333
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: we are basics. If you've gotta like do some do

1334
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: some tape study and whatnot, isn't it more fun to watch.

1335
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: This doesn't mean we're interior alignment or guards or even

1336
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: defensive ends or cornerbacks. You really grind in that like

1337
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: the route tree tape that the cornerbacks are doing. Like

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01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: I guess you can. You can look at the highlights,

1339
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: you can look at the target certain things. But it's easier, frankly,

1340
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: and more fun to do the wide receivers, running backs, quarterbacks. Yeah.

1341
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: And I think when your draft prep begins in you know,

1342
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: mid to late March, you've got to prioritize the fun spots.

1343
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: You're right. I feel bad for saying who on Devon

1344
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: Echen too, because he's a he's a day day two

1345
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: draft guy. I don't like that. He's sort of a

1346
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: rival in the Taje Spears is my favorite player of

1347
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: the draft. Uh, you know, kind of in that lane

1348
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: that's sort of running back. Um justin Hey, I want

1349
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: you to give us a grade for this this show.

1350
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: Uh B minus. Okay, that's very fair. I think that

1351
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: is uh that is more than fair and consistent with

1352
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 1: previous grading on this show. On Wednesday, I won't be here.

1353
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: I can't wait to be on the beach in Hawaii.

1354
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: Put in my air pods. And I'm probably not doing this,

1355
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: but I should put on the Chaos pod starring Mark

1356
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: Sessler and guests. Yeah, Patrick claybon Um told me this

1357
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 1: morning he's still in, so that's a win. And we're

1358
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: gonna confirm with Colleen and I think we're gonna try

1359
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: to cook up something spicy for you, Greg on that beach.

1360
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I think that is going to drop

1361
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: on Thursday and we'll be back then with Mark and

1362
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: whatever he has cooking up. This was fun until then.

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Speaker 1: Heed the call.